Rossi: Testing Multiple QuarkX Reactors for Presentation

The recently published Rossi-Gullstroem paper described a new experiment with only one E-Cat QX reactor hooked up to the control box. Andrea Rossi is now reporting that testing is underway in which multiple QX units are being combined to increase the power output inside the heat exchanger. This would be an important test to make, because Rossi has always said that the overall plan with his QX reactors is to be able to make heating units as small or as large as needed by simply combining his QXs together.

Up to this point, it doesn’t sound like they have tested QX’s in clusters. Here are a few recent comments from the JONP by Rossi on the subject.

Paul
July 26, 2017 at 12:21 PM
Dr. Rossi,

I have been following your progress since your public demonstration will Dr. Sergio Focardi. Your progress has been amazing to watch.

You stated earlier: “Today we are making substantial improvements to raise the power of the apparatus that will be presented in the demonstration.”

1. Is this increase in power due to adding more QX reactors to the demonstration setup or due to a changes to the QX and its control system?
2. If due to increase in the quantity of reactors, do you have a ballpark figure for what you are shooting for on the output power?

Andrea Rossi
July 26, 2017 at 3:41 PM
Paul:
1- we are putting more modules in parallel
2- between 200 and 500 W
Thank you for your attention and sustain,
Warm Regards,
A.R.

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Mark
July 26, 2017 at 9:20 AM
Dear Dr. Rossi

You say that you are increasing the power. Is this be combining multiple E-CAT QX’s together. Could you give an indication of how many you will now show at the demonstration?

Andrea Rossi
July 26, 2017 at 3:46 PM
Mark:
We are piling up 20 modules.
Today we worked all the day on the apparatus for the demonstration, it is working.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

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Steven N. Karels
July 26, 2017 at 6:43 PM
Dear Andrea,

1. How many in parallel?
2. All controlled by a single controller?
3. Still no phase change?

Andrea Rossi
July 26, 2017 at 8:04 PM
Steven N.Karels:
1- we’ll see. Our module at average, not risky operation, has a power of 10 W, now we are working to pile them up in a tiny space.
2- yes
3- yes, we’ll increase the flow to maintain the T below 100 Celsius degrees, just to make measurements simpler.
Direct current, liquid phase
make the test a simpler case
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi has recently said that the maximum number of QX reactors that can be powered by a single control unit like the one used in the Gullstroem-Rossi paper is 100. It sounds like Rossi’s team are shooting for a higher output power at the demonstration, but are trying to being careful not to overload the system. Rossi has said that they have had problems in the past with heat from the QX being transmitted back to the control system via conduction along the copper wires, and destroying components, so I am sure that will be a concern with additional heat being generated.

Rossi has refused to say so far how much power is consumed by the control system. I think a more effective demonstration could be made if the output of the combined QXs was higher than the power consumed by the control system, and maybe that is why they are working on raising the output.

  • georgehants

    Just hope that before October Rossi does not discover that by keeping his secrets for another seven years he could gain an extra $50, or it seems certainly he will take the $50 over any benefit to people and the World.

    • Chapman

      OK George. That was below you.
      Come on now, I know how you feel, but you are better than that.
      That was just RUDE for RUDE’s sake.

      • georgehants

        Chapman, like many, I mean exactly what I say, as I condemn the West for selling massive arms to Saudi Arabia to destroy people without good reason, purely for profit.
        I make no apologies for caring about people and maybe in the end Rossi may choose to share his discoveries altruistically, only time will tell.

        • wizkid

          When you feel distressed, try some Beano George. It helps me sometimes.

          • georgehants

            wizkid, I agree but the real solution is to solve the problems.

          • Vinney

            As I have said before, Rossi is doing a lot of research and development with very little money (and his own money).
            You could make NGO’s, Not-for-profits, charges and a growing number of social enterprises aware of his forthcoming technology, where they could raise finding to finance R and D for projects significant in the developing world. A good example would be a portable desal plant run by LENR.
            But I doubt you would even get off your armchair.

          • georgehants

            Vinney, all ideas to improve the present insane system are useful, thank you for yours.
            Shame you had to spoil it with such a childish last sentence, as you have no idea what we do and therefore have made a complete fool of yourself.

          • Oh come now. Rossi is undoubtedly a clever publicist playing “save the planet” people in order to raise the profile. Not that he’s a bad guy necessarily but he’s an industrialist. He wants to make his money. He’s not Jesus the second coming or something ! In my research for an upcoming article on how LENR is *really* handled in the oil industry (possibly with an insider perspective) I’ve come to see how outrageous so many comments are surrounding Ecat. Here are just a couple: “However the oil industry is going to hate and fear LENR” – http://e-catworld.com/2016/11/09/trump-and-energy-policy/ … ““Cold Fusion – If This is True, the Oil Becomes Worthless” – http://e-catworld.com/2015/02/06/cold-fusion-if-this-is-true-the-oil-becomes-worthless-norwegian-tu-magazine/ … It’s ABSURD. One only has to do a little math into the enormous numbers involved and research into how the oil industry really operates. One could start with a comparison article: http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Renewable-Energy/Electric-Vehicles-No-Threat-To-Oil-Prices-Anytime-Soon.html

          • georgehants

            Michael, you seem to be agreeing the obvious, that the whole system is at fault and needs to change.

          • No its not. That’s just Climate Change politics. Socialism. Marxism and Anarchism. I know because I used to hang around with anarchists (long story) until I saw through their juvenile Marx ridden nonsense. See United in Hate: The Left’s Romance with Tyranny and Terror – https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004NEW0MA/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 and the book Intellectuals https://www.amazon.co.uk/Intellectuals-Paul-Johnson-ebook/dp/B00EZ6G6WQ/ for a brilliant (and disturbing) expose of Marx. The oil industry will march on. So will Capitalism. It’s by no means perfect but it has VASTLY improved our world. The conditions necessary to even allow investigation of Cold Fusion would never have arisen otherwise.

          • georgehants

            Michael, so the present system cannot be improved and you are happy for those living in misery with no chance of an equal chance in life to stay that way.
            Well done

        • Iggy Dalrymple

          “I have never understood why it is ‘greed’ to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.” – Thomas Sowell

          • hhiram

            It depends on the theory of entitlements your society accepts – i.e. what belongs to whom.

            In this quote, everything depends on what Sowell defines as “earns”. If you inherit $10 million from your father and then live on $1 million in interest per year, are you *earning* any of that income? If your factory pollutes the air and gives me cancer, am I taking *your* money when I demand that *everyone’s* taxes provide healthcare for *everyone* including me and my cancer?

            Etc.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            So you feel entitled to Rossi’s stuff because he “inherited” his creative mind, and didn’t really earn it? So you feel you’re entitled to my stuff because you failed to purchase insurance before you contracted cancer?

            I have cancer also, but I don’t feel that you’re obligated to make boat payments for my doctors.

          • Buck

            Iggy,

            It saddened me to read of your cancer . . . I wish you, family, and friends all do well in facing this challenge to your health.

          • Omega Z

            Yep, they should tack on 25% to those factory products they produced for your use and benefit to pay for your medical. You silly people don’t understand it’s 1 big circle.

          • georgehants

            Iggy, like most that seem not to care about others you make a completely unfounded statement as if it where True.
            I call for a caring and sharing society where everybody has an equal opportunity from birth to death, where those that do more for society are rewarded more, a True fair democracy.
            You don’t agree and are happy for many to suffer unfairly then that is fine, why do you not just say so, instead of like many, trying to cover-up that view and distort what is said.

    • scottlshman

      acceptable

      • HAL9000

        An exception for “exceptable” is accepted.

    • AdrianAshfield

      Why keep repeating your naive view?

      • georgehants

        AdrianAshfield, Why keep repeating your naive reply, perhaps you could bring yourself to explain why you believe there should be not be more caring and sharing in this World.

        • AdrianAshfield

          As I and many others have explained to you, you need money to set up a mass production line for LENR reactors.
          The best way to get that money and start mass production is by giving an incentive to investors. Publishing the plans won’t do that.
          The capitalist way works best for most things. There are a few exceptions like health care, where it doesn’t. LENR is not an exception.

          • georgehants

            AdrianAshfield, I disagree like many others that “The capitalist way works best”, a little research into the suffering Worldwide directly due to capitalism may help you.
            ——-
            The Guardian
            Capitalism simply isn’t working and here are the reasons why
            https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/12/capitalism-isnt-working-thomas-piketty

          • Frank Acland

            I believe in caring and sharing, and wished there was a lot more of it. We also have to live and work in the economic systems we find ourselves in, even if we don’t always agree with the way things go in them. I think AR is trying to figure out ways to get the capital he needs to mass produce his invention, just as many other industrialists have done before him. I hope he succeeds so that we all can benefit.

          • georgehants

            Frank, thank you and would you agree that the only way for those suffering in the “live and work in the economic systems we find ourselves in” is for us all to be morally aware and try to improve that system for all.
            It may take a year or a century but caring and sharing can be the only goal for us all, or what sad people that makes us.

          • Frank Acland

            Yes, I think we should do all we can to try and improve things.

          • AdrianAshfield

            The capitalist system is clearly the most efficient for producing some particular item.
            I agree it doesn’t care who gets hurt and its days are numbered with AI and robotics coming along.

  • Warthog

    “Rossi has said that they have had problems in the past with heat from
    the QX being transmitted back to the control system via conduction along
    the copper wires, and destroying components”…

    Since this is going to be used in water-based calorimetry, just bring the flow for the calorimeter across the wire connections. I did this for a graphite furnace system running at 2800C. Worked just fine.

    • Chapman

      Hey, That’s pretty smart!!! Pass the calorimetry fluid through a cooling sleeve for the reactor wires, because THAT heat is also part of the generated power anyway!

      Kill two birds with one stone… Nifty!

      • Warthog

        “Thang you very much”……..Elvis.

      • Thomas Kaminski

        I have even seen copper tubes used for electrical conductors with cooling water flowing inside them.

        • Warthog

          Yup. Standard operating procedure with RF heating. In other work, I had a 5000 W RF furnace operating in a quartz tube furnace operating at 1600C. The heating coil was 1/4″ OD copper tubing.

          • Skip

            Almost burnt my place down with a red/white hot cell in an induction heater, but the copper induction coil was cool to the touch

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Active cooling works! You might also be able to thermally isolate the path. Rossi’s sustain current is so low that you could use a thin wire that had an acceptable voltage drop, but very little thermal conductivity. You might also be able to break the thermal path by introducing and AC transformer with a Silicon Carbide Diode bridge on the QX side . SiC diodes are able to work up to 400C and have good reliability up to 275C.

    • GiveADogABone

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  • wizkid

    hydrogen in a metal lattice … not really a secret if you have followed the saga.

  • LION
    • Bob Greenyer

      If there is carbon and hydrogen and electricity, and the temperatures and pressures are right, there will be life.

      • Skip

        …as we understand it.
        I question the necessity of carbon as THE essential base element. Electricity is ubiquitous, and (suitable) temp/pressure is relative.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It appears Rossi has lost his F-Keys, is this a good sign 😉

  • Not regarding this post, but LENR — a blog post from the Lindau meeting where Nobel laureates and others meet every year. I think Brian Josephson was there. Will ask him.

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/nobelists-students-and-journalists-grapple-with-the-antiscience-movement/#

    “A great example is cold fusion,” Moerner said. “It was right until it was proven wrong.”

    • Thomas Kaminski

      Ouch! How long must the stink of premature cold fusion rejection taint the world. The person who spouted that should be informed that F&P were right.

      • Chapman

        Let’s face it, you go premature JUST ONCE and you never hear the end of it!

    • GiveADogABone

      An obvious candidate to attend the QX demo as a witness?

    • AdrianAshfield

      I think Moerner has it exactly backwards. AGW was “right” but clearly has now been proved to exaggerate the effect of CO2. Cold fusion was proved “wrong” by poor experimental procedures by MIT and CalTrch but has since been proved to be right.
      About what one would expect from Scientific American.

  • georgehants

    There are a reported 17000 university’s in the World, an unknown number of government and industrial research labs etc.
    Many years since P&F and seven years since Rossi first announced a working Cold Fusion device.
    It would seem that Mr. Rossi has so far been amazingly lucky that not one of these facilities has announced an open repeatable, confirmed, recipe for the most basic unit that MFMP etc. can follow to 100% confirm.
    It would appear that Mr. Rossi is still very much on his own and if he confirms his claims in October then he will make the whole of academia and establishment research look very foolish.
    Well my bottle of bubbly has been sitting in the fridge for seven years, brought out into the light a couple of times to be unfortunately quickly returned.
    Now probably millions of expert comments trying to second guess Rossi, will the Wizard of Oz actually come across with the goods this time, we will just have to wait and see.

    • cashmemorz

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      paywall pdf-2017 research centers: http://www.njbiz.com/lists?djoPage=products&djoPage=product_details&djoPid=10094&djoPdf=1&djoTry=1500481334

      http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=315572

      Randell Mills is quite open about his work. That might have something to do with the fact that his company was included in the listing.

      Now, if only Andrea Rossi would open up…

    • roseland67

      George,

      What do you think?

      • georgehants

        roseland67, like with everything I have an open-mind and only follow Evidence, anything else is completely unscientific and like betting on horses etc.
        Are there UFO’s, the Evidence is strong but not yet conclusive, so an open-mind is the only way not to be ignorant.

        Qualifications etc. mean nothing in these areas as those qualified and laughably called “experts” are in many cases incapable of common-sense thinking.
        I certainly hope Cold Fusion and Rossi are genuine for the sole reason that such a power source could help alleviate the terrible suffering Worldwide if freely available at low cost.

    • Omega Z

      a reported 17000 university’s in the World, etc, etc, etc,,
      None of them even bother to look in to it. This was all proven to be bogus in 89 by MIT and others….
      100’s of billions and hot fusion is the way don’t you know?

  • Stephen

    I’m happy to see this development. Although I’m sure everything will be clear to engineers and scientists with a single device of 20 W output

    I think it should be more strikingly clear to most of us what is happening at these higher power levels of 200W to 500W.

    It also demonstrates how they can be grouped controlled and work together in a single device. This is also a big practical step in the demonstration and evidence of practical applications.

    I wonder how 200W to 500W of heat could be best used in a familiar and practical way to demonstrate well to people with non scientific/engineering background the working device. If something like that could be included in the demonstration it might be eye catching to interested observers who ever they are.

    • Stephen

      Hehe just had a nice thought…. fill 2 baths with water.

      One with water heated just by the input power.

      The other heated with water heated by the E-Cat QX

      Then get one of the worst skeptics and ask him or her to choose which bath he or she wants to sit in 😉.

  • GiveADogABone

    http://www.engineering.com/ElectronicsDesign/ElectronicsDesignArticles/ArticleID/8689/Worlds-Most-Powerful-Thermoelectric-Generator.aspx
    ‘… a solid state thermoelectric generator [TEG] that takes waste heat from diesel-powered generators and converts it to electricity, increasing the efficiency of the generators by about 2.5% …’

    A 200W QX array would produce about 5W at 2.5% efficiency. If that was enough to run the controller, then no battery or mains supply would be needed, except maybe for starting.
    So the sequence becomes :-
    Controller
    QX
    TEG
    DC output back to controller
    DC output to power dump (light bulbs?)

    The energy transfer from QX to TEG is radiant heat.
    Q: What keeps the light bulbs glowing and consuming electricity.
    A: The only possible source is the heat from the QX. The QX’s electrical input is part of the QX’s heat output.

    How does a Nobel Laureate get out of that one?

    • gdaigle

      A minor point: So many scams involving the purported generation of electricity demonstrate that claim with a bank of light bulbs that I HOPE that Rossi does not choose that mode of demonstration. The visuals that would be posted of the demonstration would immediately be a target for skeptics on that basis alone. Better to power high efficiency motors or some other visual demonstration of the power output.

      • GiveADogABone

        So many things to chose from but it needs a visual impact that can be seen on a webcast. I was really trying to avoid suggesting a voltmeter and ammeter over a resistor.

        • US_Citizen71

          How about a DC water pump? Pump water from a lower reservoir to a higher one. That would count as work wouldn’t it?

        • Chapman

          I would like to see the produced heat being applied to a simple 1 liter oil reservoir, into which is inserted one of those long brewer’s thermometers with a large, clear reading scale, to which Rossi had attached a series of “waypoint” flags ascending the scale, which read things like “Daren can kiss my hairy italian butt”, “MIT was WRONG AGAIN”, “SORRY EXXON”, and “OH CRAP, I’M GONNA BE RICH!!!”.

          And we can all log onto the video feed and watch as each temperature milestone is passed, and send Darden obscene crank twitter posts rubbing his nose in it….

          • GiveADogABone

            How do I get across that the heat is not the issue? The issue is the input electricity, be it 24V DC or the mains supply. With no electricity input to the thermodynamic black box, the CoP is infinite if the box emits any heat at all. Once you have demonstrated beyond all doubt that the box breaches the Law of Conservation of Energy at first sight, then you need to look again for where the energy really comes from.

            Faced with a box that apparently breaches the Law of Conservation of Energy, what does a Nobel Laureate have to say? The CoP is a total irrelevance until said Nobel Laureate(and every other sceptic) concedes.

            How do you rig an experiment with no electricity input when the QX needs a 0.1A supply at a few volts? You make the QX generate its own electricity and use that. The obvious generator is a TEG (thermo-electric generator); probably about 5% efficient at 400C.

            http://tecteg.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/TEG12VDC-24LIQUID50W-Specification-Sheet-rev.1.14.pdf
            TEG12VDC- 24VLIQUID COOLED TEG Generator
            The TEG12VDC or 24 VDC is a nominal *50 watt TEG Generator. The TEG Generator works up to a hot surface temperature of 400°C (750°F). A 12V DC Mag Drive high efficiency pump is supplied Free with the TEG GENERATOR which consumes 5 to 15 Watts depending on which model is selected. 1 pump can typically run up to 3 to 4 TEG Generators. The output is controlled by an adjustable constant voltage constant current DC to DC converter with a factory output of 13.8 to 14.4V. It is able to trickle charge a 5 to 12 VDC battery bank. Notify factory that you would like to charge 24V battery bank as a different DC to DC converter is required! **There is an extra cost for a 24V DC to DC Converter. (*OUTPUT BASED ON MAXIMUM HOT SIDE TEMPERATURE and DT)

          • Chapman

            You are correct, without any doubt. A closed-loop system running entirely free of any external power supply would be the end of the denials, and the start of the REAL theoretical investigation.

            But on that note, I would go one step further and eliminate the power supply even from the initiation phase, and replace it with one of those Hand-Crank generators. Imagine Rossi showing he can pump the “Trigger” for 30 seconds and then stand back and watch a 2 liter pot of spaghetti eventually boil over an hour later…

            My point is that he should go for the undisputable WOW factor, and not worry too much about the math and physics. By all means the, the actual voltage and currents should be demonstrable, but they should not be the direct focus and primary display. He needs a demonstration that worms it’s way PAST the brains physics processor and BTCHSLAPPS the imagination!

            I love Bob and the others at MFMP, but Rossi must not resort to some dry webcast showing a time plot and a few active meters. He needs to channel his inner P.T. Barnum, and put on a show. His demo must be ready for the masses, and not just contrived to convince a bunch of scientists with no sense of humor, because THEY will likely STILL argue the test was a failure.

            It is time for Rossi to build MOMENTUM, rather than CONSENSUS!

          • GiveADogABone

            … but Rossi seems to be trying to repeat the 1MW test that depends on instruments and calorimetry …

            July 29, 2017 at 9:10 PM
            Janice:
            It will be a calorimetric measurement, based on the delta T of the water in liquid phase. We are not going to light bulbs for the simple reason that we are going to make heat, not electricity, in this demo.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.

            … and the sceptics will go for this full blast, just like last time.

          • Omega Z

            and the skeptics will go for this full blast, No Matter What…

      • Stephen

        If TEG is viable a E-Cat QX powered rabbit that single handedly beats a long relay of energizer bunnies?

        But I guess I that would be a long test.

        More seriously could fans be an option or would they have the same issues as light bulbs?

      • Skip

        Why not a simple 2 wire, exposed feed to a remote bare heater coil with nothing more than an oscilloscope and an ammeter?

      • US_Citizen71

        I believe the demonstration will be just simple water calorimetry, as Rossi has already stated.

      • clovis ray

        Hi, guy’s
        I would like to see him fix a place to put a tea pot, along with whatever else he has in mind.

    • US_Citizen71

      This is just complete conjecture, but I have the feeling the lower 200W limit is likely something like 4X the needed input power of the controller (50W). I am going with 4X as that would be the closest whole number COP that would provide an usable amount of extra electricity with typical carnot cycle energy generation. So Rossi would likely have to power 100 QXs to even hit the 50W with a TEG generating the electricity.

    • Omega Z

      TEG’s based on current research in process may see 10% efficiency in the future. Dependent of temp differential of course.

  • Vinney

    So what are you recommending, to continue to use coal and hydrocarbons.
    Remember also, the energy quotient of making solar panels, wind turbines, geothermal, hydoelectric and Wave power systems are very high and with significant environmental impact.
    LENR promises a fraction of these manufacture costs (per Watt), additionally distribution and installation is also a fraction of the other sources.
    But, we should ‘destroy’ it at Birth, and quash any promising signs of it’s existance.

  • Bob Greenyer

    capitalism works for the masses when the best idea wins, not the one that is necessarily supported by the most capital.

    The problem really comes when those that have the capital, deploy that capital against technology that would destroy their business model.

    The government should help at this point, but in many countries the government are capture by the capital – so they cannot legislate for the best idea.

    The only way this technology gets delivered is if the people realise they have the power to deliver it for themselves.

    • Omega Z

      Everyone gets it backwards. Power trumps money everytime. There are those who prefer to keep the masses in the dark on this. What many consider corporate bribes are in reality, Protection money to the politicians(the mob). The politicians can crush the largest corporations at will.

      Another misnomer. Corporate tax. They don’t pay taxes. Corporations are actually a hidden tax collecting arm of Government. Corporations were 1st used to collect taxes because the foundations for a broad income tax were not available early on. Income tax is the fairwat system as it can be graduated according to income. The large majority of the rich even agree they should pay a higher tax rate as the have benefitted more from the system. Corporate tax is no more then a flat tax. Taxing the poor at the same rate as the wealthy. The least fair…

      • Bob Greenyer

        Value Added Tax (VAT) is getting companies to be tax collectors.

        In many cases, you can choose not to buy a companies products, in the case of Energy and Water supply / disposal, certainly in Europe, you have very little options.

        • Omega Z

          At least people are aware of the VAT tax hitting their pocket book. Most don’t know that Corporate tax is just a hidden VAT. What follows. An incorporated handling tax.:(

          I actually see a Corporate tax having it’s place. Such as encouraging Corporations to act in certain ways. Spend a Billion$ on business expansion and no taxes on that Billion$. Maybe even a tax credit. It’s a simplified example, but I think you get my drift. A carrot and stick approach.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I get your drift.

  • Bob Greenyer

    On the plus side, my phone is now 1000s times more CPU cycles per watt than at the start of this journey.

  • Buck

    Adam Smith had something to say about the dangers of Capitalism. Most do not know that Smith argued for government regulation of markets.

    “Adam Smith’s greatest statement regarding the need for government regulation of capitalism occurs at the end of Book One of the Wealth of Nations:

    The interest of the dealers [referring to stock owners, manufacturers, and merchants], however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, and absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. (Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations (Amherst, New York: Prometheus Books, 1991), pages 219-220)”

    LINK>> https://machineryofpolitics.wordpress.com/2012/01/04/adam-smith-on-the-crisis-of-capitalism-2/

  • I agree. I do not see how it will be economic even if it does work, with all those tiny parts needing to be replaced every year.

    • Paul Smith

      You are right. The airplane of Wright Brothers also wasn’t really a great thing. Infact its speed was very low, and it didn’t fly high in the sky….

    • US_Citizen71

      The Chicago Pile with it’s meager 0.5 watt output will never amount to anything.

    • Omega Z

      Do you know how many very small pellets it takes to fuel nuclear power plant(Millions). The space shuttle has more than 2.5 million parts, including almost 230 miles of wire, more than 1,060 plumbing valves and connections, over 1,440 circuit breakers, and more than 27,000 insulating tiles and thermal blankets.

  • georgehants

    Will just point out that caring and sharing does not mean any particular system but a steady improvement to the present system.
    It is a frame of mind, caring and sharing, the technology is already here to change the World, only the desire to change from excessive personal greed to better Human values is required.
    This starts with education at a very young age.
    Nuff said.

  • orsobubu

    It seems you think capitalism and fascism are two different economic/production systems. Instead the correct, scientific way (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Geymonat, Wittgenstein, Einstein, etc) is: democracy and fascism are two sides of the same coin: capitalism. When the economic cycle permits a general growth of GDP, bourgeoise (the owner of the means of production) gives democracy to the people: free market, competition, etc. When some problems start to arise, you can see multiplying signals as corporativism, protectionism, state capitalism, etc. Finally, when the crisis get chronical, bourgeoise push (via corrupted politicians) fascism, dictatorship and localized wars (hitler, Stalin). When the crisis is synchronized among main countries, as in the beginning of XX centiry or in the Thirties, big wars come for the destruction of the means of production to restart, and redivide world profit quotas. In general, this alternating production system became typical starting in 1900 and is called imperialism (Hobson, and then Lenin) and is chacterized by 5 main traits: monopolism, financialization, capital exports, fight for world market share redistributiom, fight for geostrategical dominance.

    Your teferral to communism as utopistic is not correct (Free market capitalism is a REAL utopy instead, today there is not any real free market in the whole Earth at all!!! pre-paid lifestyle?? in communism money cannot exist by definition!!). Communism never existed in the whole history of the world: the correct terms for soviet-like regimes is state capitalism and fascism (there were money, market, wage work, banks,…). Perhaps you refer to Cultural Marxism, a distorted ideology sold by american ruling intellectual elites. Scientific communism, or marxism, or dialectical materialism, is instead only a program for the future of mankind (it is defined as the doctrine for the conditions for proletariat liberation). You can get a very naive, ingenuous, hollywood-style glimpse at it looking for Venus Project.

    • Michael W Wolf

      Tell the 100+ million exterminated in 100 years there is no communism that has existed.
      And if there is no currency, then government would be the biggest monopoly the world has ever seen. Your obvious disdain for monopolies betrays your love of what you call true communism. And what of the lazy people that won’t pull their weight? They must end up dead or else they will spoil the bunch.

      At least in capitalism they just end up poor, And have people like you scream how evil capitalism is for making them poor. I think your logic is backward and contradictory. It’s more like this, the more communism infests capitalism, the more oppressed the people are. No amount of communists can come along and convince me that communism is great, we just haven’t done it right in our previous attempts throughout history. How many dead people does it take before communism is seen for what it really is?

      Go to remote places on the earth. Those tribes have no money or trading system. How’s communism working out for them? Do you know their populations never reach more than 100 thousand people? With the communist loving Georgia guide stones erected, seems you guys want to do that with all population centers on earth.

      • Vinney

        Orsobubu, don’t be afraid of the E-cat, as Rossi will be implementing it.
        It will be the greatest leveller in human industrial history after the internet. Don’t get me wrong, the rich will still be rich, but not thousands or millions of times the perceived wealth of the average person.
        The biggest winner will be the very poor, as their wellbeing will go up a thousand fold.
        Think about it, look how small and scalable the QX device is, it is meant for everyone.
        And it will filter down to everyone quickly.

        • cashmemorz

          If I were a few decades younger and a LENR device was commonly available I would have used it for what you say, to be self-sufficient. Energy is what it takes to do anything physical and the ordinary man understands that and knows how to use to do just that. Also a piece of land.

          • Chapman

            You realize how many ISLANDS one could snag and set up house on if he had a reliable power source? Water becomes easy with power, and then food is just a matter of a little sweat, and getting your fingers dirty.

            There are still MANY wildernesses waiting to be occupied inland also. Energy Independence is the key to the next wave of extreme lifestyles, and an end to urban squish! It will reshape society, and end the super-cities. And do not doubt for a moment that the social engineers are gnashing their teeth at the development.

          • cashmemorz

            Too bad those islands will only go to the already rich. So much for capitalism. Philosophizing which sytem is better is a no starter when every able person can get away from both systems. When the current failed capital system has rounded up the wagons to keep the competition out, those outside the system, have only themselves to count on. That very cronyism used propaganda to demolish what, at base was a good idea. It is propaganda that makes a good sharing group of people look bad. It is the intent that counts, not how those on either side tried to make the other side look bad. The communists made the capitalists look bad, so the capitalists fought back with everything they had, and are still fighting just in case someone like Cuba might look good, or a bit of socialist health care, as in Canada, might make the likes of Trump cringe. The reason why communism failed is because capitalists had to make it fail, so as to prevent capitalism from failing. But capitlaism is failing anyways. That shows the need for central control.

          • Omega Z

            You know the Soviet Union had all the resources that the U.S. had and more. Yet, for 50 years the U.S. had to help feed them. Now with a little capitalism, they became a net food exporter. Cuba is slowly allowing capitalism and the results are things are improving.

            Health care. Unless robots can fill in, health care will be rationed. There is simply to few doctors and all signs are it will only get worse. Modern society has produced a population that is to squeamish to deal with icky things like the human body. eewww ick

            Note: Do you have any idea how many Canadians come to the U.S. for medical care not obtainable in Canada???

          • cashmemorz

            I live in Canada so I know intimately what that is all about. Those going to the USA are the exceptions when the system has the medical means but is just costlier than the clinics or hospitals in the USA. Some times the USA does not have the tech taht Canada has, so that is a 2 way road. What Cuba has was forced on them by the embargo of the previous USA administrations. Before the embargoes Cuba was every good as Canada. For a micro-economy they did very well in the medical department. Cherry picking to make a point is very transparent of you what your agenda is. Defend the system at all costs even if you end up lying. THer is a close parallel between how the failed Standard Model of physics works and the failed Capitalism system works. Physics at least has a real world to model its thesis on. No financial system, communism, captalism or trading beads, has no natural system to base its model on. Except survival of the fittest. Is that what you want?

          • Omega Z

            The truth is capitalism with all it’s warts still works better then any other system. It creates wealth and investment which generates income/cash, without which there is nothing to redistribute. Why do you think China has resorted to capitalism. And Cuba is slowly incorporating it. It just fits human nature. Socialism not so much.

            How can medical care in the U.S. be cheaper then free health care in Canada.(they come here because of delays in Cabada). And how would Canada have any technology that the U.S. doesn’t unless it’s use is delayed by our archaic regulatory system. You make it sound as if the U.S. is a backwoods country.

            Anyway, health care is becoming rationed care due to the decline in doctors per capita world wide. Our modern societies have created a lot of squeamish people who can’t deal with the ick factor of medicine.

            In addition, Medical care is about to decline (near future) due to a lack of new antibiotics and the growing resistance to those we have. Not long ago, a new antibiotic hit ressistance within 6 months of it’s creation(10 years of R&D and $1B dollars for not). Unless someone comes up with a totally new approach, a LOT of current medical procedures will no longer be a viable option. Organ transplants totally out of the question.

          • cashmemorz

            Communist Russia was the first to introduce macrophage repl;aqcementfor antibiotics. Canada doesn’t need USA high tech to get US patients to buy Canadian medicine which is cheaper by half in Canada. Do you now see where greed, that is supposedly what frives capitalism, is failing. USA and all other overdeveloped economies based on greed get corrupted by expecting things to continue as before, more profit gouging until people go elsewhewre to getr their stuff. Black fridays a few times a year in Canada sees droves going to the states to get half price on aqlmost everything. Canadian prices over all tend to be higher then the USA, so we in Canada have to watch where that greed is taking us as much as in the USA. I keep getting emails about cheap medications from who knows where, Taiwan of elsewhere. That evens out the playing field of capitalism as never before. When profits drop everywhere, what does that do to capitalism. Disincentive to do business and on to the black market. So dog eat dog.
            LENR will make goods very cheap but the first few users won’t pass the difference on to the consumer. Excess greed leading to corruption. So the thing to avoid is corruption of the system. That was a key point in getting the general population of Russian SSR to use against them via USA propaganda. The populace of the Russian SSR expected too much from theoir system, by expecting their satellite SSR’s to do the grunt work and the Russain SSR to get the benefits. So that kind of corruption is what has snuck into the old capitalist countries leading to their demise. Trump is trying to make the USA great again without acknowledgingor even understanding what the real problem is.

          • Omega Z

            Bill Clinton when asked why he didn’t push for better prices for the U.S. citizens responded. They have to make a profit in the U.S. so they can sell it cheap or give it to some 3rd world countries for free.

            “Canadian prices over all tend to be higher then the USA”
            Yes, That is how you pay for social programs such as health care. It all ends up in the product you buy. The majority of U.S. citizens are insured by their employers. That cost is past on to the consumers in goods and services as well. Doesn’t matter what economic system your under.

            Nothing is for free. You can pay for it, we can deduct it from your income as tax, or we can charge you for in the goods and services you recieve. If some how you avoid paying it, then it was paid for by your fellow citizens through their labors.

            You know, some people just like to blame others for their issues.

          • cashmemorz

            Yes. That is why it has to change. When a system that is run by those who take too much is starting to break apart at the seams, as in the belly part, then it gives a chance for a better system to take its place. A system that is based on sharing instead of taking, ie capitalism. It has gone too far, when too few have too much of what is available and the others can just go scratching their heads, or help overturn it. Then the blame game can change to a game for everyone to enjoy.

          • Omega Z

            You overlook the real problem. 5 people need surgery in the next hour or they will die and you only have 1 doctor. Whats the end result. Four die.

            This is not just a U.S. problem. It exists everywhere regardless of Nation. We need to rethink the process as there are to few doctors and to few who want to become doctors regardless what they receive in compensation.

            Currently, only 2 paths exist for health care.
            1) The market by fees according to supply/demand. There is no competition as demand greatly exceeds the supply of doctors with no end in sight..
            2) Order doctors to accept patients as they arrive.

            Both have the same end result. People dying from lack of medical care. I find neither acceptable. We need innovation to fix this. Unfortunately, the powers that be are clueless to the real problem. Or are clueless as to how to go about fixing it.
            Probably both.

          • Buck

            OZ, maybe I’m completely misunderstanding your point but it seems that you are asserting a perspective where medical care in the U.S. is cheaper then free health care in Canada

            The following is contrary to your assertion: about $8200/capita vs about $4400/capita as of 2012.
            Link>> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/health-costs-how-the-us-compares-with-other-countries/

            And, if you get into health statistics such as infant health one is left with the question of the actual quality of care bought for 2x the price.

          • Omega Z

            “medical care in the U.S. is cheaper then free health care in Canada”

            No Way. You misunderstood. U.S. healthcare costs are quickly reaching the point of unsustainable closing on 25% of GDP. People in Canada come to the U.S. to get treatment that isn’t provided in Canada(A simple cost control approach) or treatment that may take months to obtain that’s quickly available in the U.S.. Even the Canadian leader some years back came to the U.S. for treatment he couldn’t get under the Canada’s system.

            Neither party in the U.S. have an answer. The medical system needs a total revamp to compensate for the lack of doctors. Bloating the system with staff(and higher cost) is not medical care. It’s just kicking the can down the road.

    • theBuckWheat

      Ah, a socialist wades in with his own definition of words by which he hopes to get the reader to accept the unacceptable. Where shall we begin? Can we trust his answer where we to get him to admit what a concept really means? No. Hell no.

      Socialism is sold as an economic system by which everyone is forced by the government to live at the expense of everyone else. In implementing such a system, government must start by controlling the economy. There are many ways to do this. Fascists do it by regulating business. Communists by seizing the business and running it themselves. But the key effect is the same: to destroy the most important piece of information in the economy, the free market price of everything.

      When the real price of the myriad of components of an economy cannot be continually discovered, then it is impossible to make a rational calculation about profit and loss. When a business cannot reliably create more wealth than it consumes, the difference must come from its capital. When all capital is consumed, it literally can no longer function. Thus, several economists like Ludwig von Mises [3] have declared that the socialist economy is not “sustainable”, a concept the left loves to scold everyone about. The utter necessity of the flow of price information is the basis upon which the Nobel prize in Economics was awarded to F.A.Hayek. He is known for his academic paper on this subject, The Use of Knowledge in Society.

      (This is exactly why the Union of the Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) collapsed. This is also why its Gulag was the nation’s largest “business”.)

      But the socialist does not support a socialistic economy for economic reasons. The economy is merely a means to a far more important end. The socialist has an almost existential need to control the lives of everyone in society. He just sees how he can do so through economic means. Through the theories of Marx, people are only the product of their class and their class is determined by their economic circumstances. So when government can be used to force change in economic circumstances, that will naturally change the class of people. The goal for Marx was to create the New Man.

      “Socialism, for Marx, is a society which permits the actualization of man’s essence, by overcoming his alienation. It is nothing less than creating the conditions for the truly free, rational, active and independent man; it is the fulfillment of the prophetic aim: the destruction of the idols.” [1]

      So, in a round-about way socialism is an attempt to impose a secular utopia on people, even without their approval, and as we have seen, no matter how many tens of millions must die in the process.

      All this is must be run, managed and enforced by people who really deeply believe in the prospects that this must work. So all of this effort is a giant nation-sized and unsustainable lie. That the economy will perform better than under the system of free exchange is a lie.

      It is so much of a lie, that the lies pervade the whole of society.

      Václav Havel was a playwright, author, the first president of the Czech Republic (1993–2003) after the Czech–Slovak split. He wrote a famous essay, The Power of the Powerless [2] (the social and spiritual consequences of socialism) He wrote:

      “Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics … It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.”

      One of these lies is that government has wisdom that citizens cannot attain. It is no accident that climate alarmism noticeably converges to socialistic public policy solutions. If the socialist cannot manipulate the economy to increase government control over people’s lives, maybe it can scare them into giving up control over their private affairs in order to save the planet.

      [1] Marx’s Concept Of Socialism, Eric Fromm
      https://www.marxists.org/archive/fromm/works/1961/man/ch06.htm

      [2] Power of the Powerless, Vaclav Havel
      https://s3.amazonaws.com/Random_Public_Files/powerless.pdf

      [3] Postscript: Why a Socialist Economy is “Impossible” by Joseph T. Salerno
      https://mises.org/library/economic-calculation-socialist-commonwealth/html/c/25

      • Chapman

        Oh MY… Your Kung Fu is not just Strong, it is MIGHTY!
        Can I join your DOJO, Master?
        Will you be my Sensei???

        Can I at least buy an official “the Buck Wheat” T-Shirt? I swear I will wear it with pride next MayDay, and preach your wisdom to every Antifa Goon I confront!!!

        Truth is, I have given up responding to the socialist nonsense, but then BAM!!! You spread some TRUTH with a FIREHOSE right there. Your observations are not only philosophically correct, but intellectually expressed and factually incontrovertible.

        I bow before the might of your political wisdom and insight, oh Great One.

        [Translate: DAMNN! You said it better than I could! And with more passion. I just wind up cursing and making rude comments about people’s chromosome counts and “narrow” family trees…]

  • Karl Venter

    Hi Bfast

    I am curios which great R&D machine you are refering to – Are you referring to Rossi or some other entity which will work with Rossi (If that is possible?)
    I hope that the October Demo is quite clear and transparent If it raises too many doubts it will hurt LENR
    (It will always raise some doubts by the more transparent the better)

  • AdrianAshfield
  • georgehants

    Michael, good to hear, I look forward to your support in pressure to make Cold Fusion (if genuine) freely available as quickly as possible to those in need without concern for a few becoming ridiculously rich.

  • sam

    Milan
    July 29, 2017 at 1:36 AM
    Dear Dr. Rossi,

    What COP do you expect to reach at the October presentation. A COP of 6 as was standard for the older E-Cat versions, or (a lot?) higher?

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    July 29, 2017 at 8:00 AM
    Milan:
    Enough.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Gerard McEk
    July 29, 2017 at 3:07 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    It is good to hear that you are progressing well and are testing clustered E-cat QX.
    Just some questions about that.
    1. You contol this using one contol unit that can master a maximum of 100 QX’s. Is it right to assume that this unit cannot control each QX individually, but all in true parallel meaning you switch them all on and off at the same time?
    2. Are you also able to contol the output power of the clustered unit in some way, (because you said that the output power would be between 200 and 500 Watt)?
    3. Will a clustered E-cat QX still be called a E-cat QX or will you add a number for power or something?
    4. Is this cluster test part of the sigma 5 qualification test?
    Thank you, kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    July 29, 2017 at 7:59 AM
    Gerard McEk:
    1- confidential
    2- confidential
    3- yes, followed by the number that corresponds to the power in kW
    4- no
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Michael W Wolf

      I wonder why Rossi said just “enough”? Doesn’t sound like sigma 5 to me. 🙁

      • Omega Z

        If Rossi gives a specific number and it is anything other then that, his detractors will point it out in their attacks. So extreme are they that if Rossi proclaim it would achieve COP=6 and it actually achieved COP=10, they would use that as proof that Rossi lied. Therefore, how can you trust him that it works at all.

        Sadly, the point I make is not an exaggeration. It may in fact be an understatement.

        NOTE: Rossi’s sigma 5 is about the material reliability and such. Not COP…

  • Steve Savage

    Understanding economic and political systems is hard work. Reading a lot will help us all understand how little we really know and how far we need to go. This constant bickering in support of what you believe about the merits of your chosen system is somewhat tiresome. Yes, of course, we need to balance the needs and motivations of the individual with the needs and motivations of larger groups. Yes, we need to develop better ways to reflect the needs and desires of individuals and groups through better systems of government. Perfect government would do this perfectly, but we are not even close to being able to talk about it because most of us are still stuck in 19th-20th century thinking. Everything we do is done relative to the system. The system is king. Design better systems get better results. You must always remember that the current system is highly intransigent because those that hold the levers to this system must by definition act in thier own best interest. The levers must be held more broadly than they now are. Designing economic and political systems is hard work. Reading a lot will help us all understand how little we really know and how far we need to go. As far as I can see orsobubu is using systems thinking to try to evaluate the problems we are currently experiencing (in an ever repeating cycle), while others are stuck in ideological booby traps. How does one know that they are in a booby trap? Here is a hint – You know you are right, and have for quite awhile.

    • Michael W Wolf

      It depends on the reading you do. And whose version you believe. You are right though, none of us really KNOW a lot. One thing we can do is stay away from the systems
      with the most corpses in its wake. Not rework it the so called right way. SMH.

      • Chapman

        “One thing we can do is stay away from the systems with the most corpses in its wake.”

        That should be the theme for “Civics 101”, and THAT course should be required for high school graduation! But we stopped teaching kids that stuff years ago, and told them they should “discover their own truth”. Look where that has gotten us!

        I bet YOUR kids do not end up being delicate little snowflakes who run for a safe space every time their worldview is challenged!

  • LION

    Hi Frank, I hope you are having a great day. It shows that you eat, drink, sleep and think e-cat when you TYPE _ mew_. I am looking forward to Andrea getting all those e-cats mewing. Thanks for running such a Great ECW.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Lion! The cats are getting to me.

  • Chapman

    Maybe they can convince Charlie Gards family that socialism is great!

    Charlie is just the latest victim of Socialist Policy. (#1,000,001???)

    A sad, SAD day for everyone, in every country that followed the despicable events. But a clear and unmistakable warning to any other country thinking of following down the path to death panels and the devaluation of human life…

    • GiveADogABone

      Great Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children is the hospital in the UK where the most difficult children’s cases are sent. They are a centre of excellence with a world-wide reputation for treating the most difficult cases to the best of their ability. Inevitably, they lose some; that’s life. My wife was a beneficiary of their care when she was a child, so I declare an interest.

      You can read the court reports yourself:
      http://www.gosh.nhs.uk/frequently-asked-questions-about-charlie-gard-court-case

      I do not recognise some the quotes from the american media that I have subsequently read. They are to be blunt, grotesque, offensive and unrelated to reality.

      • Chapman

        The parents had a right to seek the best medical care they could find for their child.
        What is grotesque is the idea that a socialist medical system, and it’s death panel executioners, would decide that they did not have a right to seek medical care outside of the NIH, because that would not be “fair” to everyone else, and that therefore the child must die.
        He was Sacrificed to Moloch, for the sake of maintaining power, and control of the population.
        We in the U. S. were lucky enough to have SEEN what was ahead. We rejected the idea of having Death Panels making life and Death decisions over our citizens. Such EVIL is just so basically contrary to our every fiber, and repulsive to our very cores, that we would have taken to the streets in ARMED revolution if it had been forced upon us. But then, WE still care about individual human liberty, and the value of each person’s right to self determination.
        It is one thing for a health service provider to determine that a particular treatment exceeds the scope of available coverage, and that the individual must pursue such treatment at their own expense, but to have a SYSTEM say that WE will not cover the treatment, and you WILL NOT SEEK SUCH TREATMENT ON YOUR OWN, simply because it would undermine the idea of an enforced “equality of access” is obscene, and a crime against the entire citizenry held victim under it’s evil authority.
        I understand the hospital deciding they could not justify the expense of extended medical treatments for the child because they determined that they had little chance of success, but under what kind of satanic rule does the hospital have the right to then decide that the child will be chained to the bed until it dies, and NO ONE may interfere??? What authority can you SERIOUSLY cite by which they had a right to deny the parents the right to take the child home, or to America, or to the MOON if that was their decision? What kind of corrupt Orwellian superstate has evolved in Britain where the citizenry are now nothing more than cogs in a greater machine, without liberty, without rights, without even the most fundamental freedoms the human spirit cries out for???
        I tell you, this whole situation is black eye for Britain across the globe. It has diminished Britain’s moral authority to make ANY observations regarding the brutalities of other regimes. Other depots across the globe inflict great evil upon their populations, usually over political or racial differences, but there is always an underlying REASON for the brutality. Britain just subjected one of their own to the most fundamentally VILE form of tortuous abuse – and for no good reason at all, other than to maintain a sense of dominance and control. SHAME ON BRITAIN! SHAME ON MAY! and SHAME ON THE QUEEN for not dispatching her personal guard to storm the hospital and put down the perpetrators of this un-human crime.

        Yeah, we Americans take this kind of crap seriously! But that is why we keep watching England take itself down the path to subjugation time and time again, only to need to call US to come and rescue you from oppressors you refused to deal with early enough to save yourselves. But how can we save you NOW from your own bad decisions? How can America come to your relief, when it is YOU doing it to yourselves? I had high hopes with the Brexit vote, but the fact that someone did not storm that hospital and TAKE that child away is sad proof that the British population STILL has not had enough of the madness, and has not yet gotten MAD enough to put a stop to it.

        And you better realize that that is exactly what the whole world has seen happened there. SHAME!!!!! Britain put a bullet in an innocent child’s brain. Just for the sake of demonstrating they could do so. And they did not even bat an eye, or shed a tear, or even flinch. SHAME!!!

        • Steve Savage

          Such passion for single permanently damaged baby, who would have been saved but it were possible, yet no words of sadness for the 100 people who die everyday on the highway, or 100 kids who die every day in Yemen?…. Some questions are difficult to answer…

          • Chapman

            Yeah, I know.

            And I could explain further what is at the root of the passion, and how the issue is only the tip of the iceberg, but the topic is WAY off the ECW path, and I know Frank would prefer to keep things focused more on “things E-Cat”.

            I always prefer to discuss the technology issues, or just joke around when there is nothing going on, but then someone always has to start in about the evils of capitalism, and why we can’t have a more caring and sharing Socialist global empire, and I just get fed up with it.

            BUT, I am not going to go there again. I am sticking to LENR. Otherwise FRANK will come and kick my door in and take my laptop again, put me in another “time out”, and make me write another essay about good citizenship! 😉

  • atanguy

    In his answer to Steven N. Karels above, Rossi talks about a “liquid phase”. Does it mean the reactants are in liquid (solved in water for example?) or does it mean something else?Somebody has some explication for me?

    • Gerard McEk

      The heated liquid will not change phase (getting gas). That makes determination of the energy released easier.

      • atanguy

        OK,I understand now,I was believing that it was inside the reactor,not the transfer of the heat to the user. Does that mean that the flow of water should be big enough to keep the water not becoming steam?

        • Gerard McEk

          That’s indeed what Rossi intents to do.

  • GiveADogABone

    What does heat production in isolation prove?
    If that heat was produced with no electrical input of any kind, would that be interesting?
    For a start the CoP would be infinite.
    Where would this stand with the Law of Conservation of Energy?

    • hhiram

      Compare the system to a candle. What is the COP while it is burning? Is it infinite? Well, it depends on your timeframe of analysis.

      • GiveADogABone

        A candle does not have a CoP on any timeframe :
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coefficient_of_performance
        The coefficient of performance or COP (sometimes CP or CoP) of a heat pump, refrigerator or air conditioning system is a ratio of useful heating or cooling provided to work required.

        • atanguy

          “A candle does not have a CoP on any timeframe ”
          I wonder about that: Beside,the work necessary to make the candle,the work came from the fusion in the sun,the photosynthesis of the plant and the animal eating it and storing it in its fat, forming the matter from which the candle is made and the work to extract it. At the end the COP will be very negative?Well maybe we have to go back to the big bang and at the end,I know, the entropy increases….

  • sam

    Anonymous
    July 30, 2017 at 10:29 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    The demo you will make in October will be the presentation of the product?
    Andrea Rossi
    July 30, 2017 at 3:09 PM
    Anonymous:
    No. It will be a technological demo.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Omega Z

    There will come a time in the future were the productive capitalist will pack up and head out into the Galaxy. Leaving the socialist/communist minded here on earth to their own demise. No they wont be taken along. The odds of success will be great enough without taking dead wait along.

  • atanguy

    If it works,in my opinion, it is a better business plan.

  • CWatters

    As I understand it to achieve 5 sigma reliability Rossi needs to cycle QX on and off 3,500,000 times. To achieve that in a year would mean about 9,600 cycles a day. Rossi has confirmed that QX can’t be cycled faster than the original E-Cat which sets a lower limit on the number of reactors needed. If the minimum cycle time is say 30min(?) he must have around 200 reactors going at once to achieve 9,600 cycles a day and 5 sigma in a year….or have I missed something?

    • Thomas Kaminski

      What link says that they conn’t be cycled faster than the original Ecat. At one point he said they could be cycled quite fast.

    • Omega Z

      5 sigma is about the materials in use. Rossi had to create his own material to sustain 2700`C with the ability to last as long as the fuel charge or somewhat longer.

  • CWatters

    Fans.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi said a while back he is trying for $50 per kilowatt capacity. At 8760 kilowatts per year, that comes to about .0058 cents. However, delivered and installed systems will likely run about 2.5 to 3 cents per kilowatt hour to the customer.

  • Bob Greenyer

    NOVA – Dusty plasma ‘transmutation reactor’ nearly ready for trials

    https://goo.gl/QhegNs

  • Thomas Kaminski

    I think that the proposed demonstration of the “technology” will go a long way toward convincing me that LENR has arrived. Based on the last paper and the pictures of the QX device, I feel that this will be a table top demonstration that is simple enough for anyone to understand, yet complex enough to show a path to commercialization. It reminds me of some of Rossi’s early “table top” demonstrations. Compare those demonstration to the 1-megawatt plant. Critics were able to cast doubt on the whole process with the 1 Megawatt plant because it was complex and there were lots of things to poke holes in. The simpler table-top demonstrations evoked “smoke and mirrors” arguments, like “there must be a DC level on the AC mains” or “It was wet, not steam”.

    Rossi has chosen two simple concepts:

    1). The QX has a high COP and
    2). I can scale the process to high power by combining many QX in parallel.

    For an effective table top demonstration, i think he needs to:

    1). Show what is in the “black box” controller so that a technician can see that there are no hidden “smoke and mirrors” energy sources.
    2). Show with a simple meter (watt hours maybe) that the total energy in has a simple to verify value and show the magnitude of the measurement error.
    3). Show in detail the calorimetric measurements that are made along with the limits to error.
    4). Show how the parallel combination of multiple QX is physically accomplished.

    I think Mats Lewan should bring his thermometer, power meter, and flow meter checker to the demo and independently verify the results. I would trust Mats to say “It is true!”.

    • Frank Acland

      I think he his very protective of his controller, Tom, since he won’t even reveal its power consumption. I doubt he’ll open it up for everyone to see inside.

      • Thomas Kaminski

        You are probably right, but most of the “secret sauce” in the controller will undoubtedly be software which can be hidden. My interest is seeing that there are no hidden energy sources.

  • sam

    Oystein Lande
    July 31, 2017 at 3:06 AM
    Dear Mr. Rossi,

    What is the planned duration of the QX demonstration?

    Andrea Rossi
    July 31, 2017 at 7:43 AM
    Oystein Lande:
    One to two hours the part that will be public.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    JPR
    July 31, 2017 at 5:47 AM
    Update?

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    Andrea Rossi
    July 31, 2017 at 7:42 AM
    JPR:
    All well also today,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Colin Watters
    July 30, 2017 at 4:41 PM
    Dear Mr Rossi, If I remembered correctly the original E-Cat could only be cycled on and off quite slowly. Can the QX be cycled more quickly?

    Andrea Rossi
    July 30, 2017 at 5:44 PM
    Colin Watters:
    Not yet.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Colin Watters
    July 30, 2017 at 4:29 PM
    Dear Mr Rossi, I understand you are now operating several E-Cat QX cells in parallel to form one larger reactor. Can I ask how many QX cells you have built so far? Enough to build several of these larger reactors if you wanted or just one or two? Thanks.

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    Andrea Rossi
    July 30, 2017 at 5:43 PM
    Colin Watters:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Chapman

    UH OH!!!

    Fair warning to all…
    I am getting bored.

    Things might get a wee bit weird for a while, SORRY. 🙂

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks for the heads up, Chapman!

  • Chapman

    If there is ONE thing I think we all have in common around here, it is a predilection for following technical developments, and an appreciation for the simply joy of intellectual analysis.

    That’s right, most of you are nerds…

    To that end, I would just like to share one of my favorite means of wasting a little time. I expect that many of you already know of him, but for those who do not I would wholeheartedly suggest you take a minute the next time you are sitting patiently waiting for the wife to get ready for church and check out Isaac Arthur’s channel on youtube.

    NO POLITICS. NO DEPRESSING SOCIAL ISSUES. Just some fascinating analysis on a variety of Science and Futurism topics ranging from Spaceship Propulsion, Megastructures, Alien Civilizations, and more. He does not expound on any opinion or philosophy, he simply takes a given topic, researches all the relevant facts, and presents a straightforward analysis of the issue at hand. It is basically nerd-porn, guaranteed to leave you tingling all over, and wanting to spoon with your prized “Signed, Genuine Leather-Bound, First Edition Copy of “Foundation Trilogy””…

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g

    • Skip

      I very much enjoy him too. I wrote him about LENR and he replied that he will expand on “fusion” in the future. He wasn’t specific about “types” of fusion, but he recognized the term LENR.
      I prefer to watch him (every episode) on Bitchute.com
      http://www.bitchute.com/channel/IsaacArthur/

  • Omega Z

    “How many parts does a natural gas heater have? ”
    Far more then you can imagine. Different question is components. A single part has many. More now then ever. That’s why many parts are disposable. Replace a lot of components in 1 shot.

    • Omega Z

      Just to add, all those little QX’s will likely be fitted in a quick change cartridge. Also, due to materials involved, a basic heating system will cost more then a gas heating system. It’s the fuel costs where you will save.