What Would You Like to See at the E-Cat QX Presentation?

I think it is clear now that Andrea Rossi will be holding a demonstration of the E-Cat QX in November. I know it’s an event that many readers here have been anticipating for many months now, and I expect there will be a lot of interest among readers here.

Dr. Mike has given some good suggestions in his recent article anticipating the Rossi demo, and I thought it might be useful to put up a dedicated thread where people could post what they would like to see at the E-Cat presentation. I will let AR know about the thread and invite him to read it, perhaps there will be items posted that he can consider.

Probably there will be suggestions that he will not be able to, or not wish to do, but it will be an opportunity to provide some some input for his consideration.

I think we should be realistic in our expectations, and suggestions. There had been a lot of discussion lately about combining the E-Cat with engines as a means of generating electricity or driving vehicles, but I don’t think we’ll be seeing any of those things at the presentation. On the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday, Rossi made this comment:

Andrea Rossi
October 30, 2017 at 3:21 PM
Svein Henrik:
Sorry, but we are making an R&D on the Stirling engines that is too premature for what you say.
The scope of the demo is to introduce the E-Cat QX as a heat maker, not to show particular applications that at the moment are not ready.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi had provided few details about the setup he will be using, but has said he will be using water (or some kind of fluid) calorimetry to measure the amount of energy produced by the E-Cat. Presumably there will be a means of measuring the energy input. Beyond that I don’t really know what to expect. So if you have ideas that you think might be useful which are within the scope of what AR has outlined, feel free to share them here, and I will bring them to Rossi’s attention.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Frank, did you notice that the „number of comments“ fields (except the ones that belong to Disqus) are not regularly updated? Currently, readers have to check every thread separately for new comments.

    The old “recent comments” section was great, but perhaps it is not possible to reinstall it for technical reasons.

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, there is a lag between disqus and the comment field. I will see if I can get the recent comments section back up.

  • Brokeeper

    At the close of the demonstration miniature QX driven hot air balloons released over
    the unsuspecting attendees dropping small leaflets inscribed with the first
    commercial release date.

    • atanguy

      I would like to add a fanfare,fireworks and crackers plus some dancing girls if possible.

  • roseland67

    Fermi, Argon, MIT, ABB, SQ D,

  • Ophelia Rump

    I would like the media to be invited.
    I would also like details of how they will be selling the energy produced and not the devices, this lends credence to the viability of the product. The numbers should clearly demonstrate that they would go bankrupt in short order if this were a scam.

    Anyone can see that trying to sell the output of products which do not work would be madness. This is the clear path to credibility, make the accounting independent and public; and the world will line up at your door.

    • Brokeeper

      I agree. Also to insure commitment integrity an approximate commercial release date should be added.

    • f sedei

      It’s way to early for the media. But, keep dreaming, and be patient. QX is real!

    • Bruce Williams

      I think that it is too early yet for the media to be involved. If , for whatever reason, the demo fails then it could set back LENR progress even further. HOWEVER, if the demo is successful then the sooner the media are involved the better. BUT,they will get to hear about it anyway, (good or bad!)

      • Ophelia Rump

        This is supposedly now in or approaching market ready status, it had better be reliable enough that they can have two standbys and at least one out of three works well enough for at demonstration.

        If they cannot do that then we have already been scammed.

  • Evidence of professional behavior and a reputable partner.

    • Bruce Williams

      Frank, I think LENR G should be invited . His report on Lugano was excellent.

  • Ivan Samec

    1. Production of excess energy (heat)

    2. At least toy grade Stirling motor (a lot of these on AliExpress.com) heated by excess heat from E-Cats and spinning some small dynamo and producing electricity (purely demonstrative small amount)

    3. Some mainstream media journalists and also some alternative media journalists. Without these, thousands of CEOs around the World will not informed and continuing wrong investment decisions (building nuclear, coal powerplants, building gas pipelines, scatter Earth with their fracking technology etc.)

  • Charlie tapp

    How about an invite for mfmp member that would do it for me

    • Toussaint françois

      That would be cool !

    • Obvious

      Alan G going over the system would make me happy.

  • John Littlemist

    Since the QX COP claims are so tremendous, it should be possible to provide the input energy from regular AAA batteries, right?

    • Frank Acland

      I don’t think so, since AR has stated that when using batteries they need 24 Volts, I believe this is required by the control system.

  • Dr. Mike

    Besides the suggestions for the demonstration that I made in my recent post, a couple of respondents have made good suggestions:

    “DocSiders” described the type of “control” device he would like to see as part of the demonstration.

    Bruce Williams recommended that Rossi have radiation and neutron detectors available to show that the QX device does not emit any harmful radiation when turned on.

  • Jimr

    What I don’t want to see is an enclosed box with all kinds of sensing and recording devices connected. And most likely running for a short time.

  • Gerard McEk

    I think that the measured output power (temperature increase at some water flow) will be sufficient in accuracy.
    Measuring the input power can be more elaborous: AR should allow for measuring the input power at the mains connection of the control unit. Measuring it in this way avoids that the measured power can be doubted because e.g. high frequency pulses are not measured properly by the power meter. Obviously I understand that the power consumed by the control system is then included and that this will lead to a (much?) lower COP. Until now AR has not allowed for this, though. He wants to measure the input power at the input wires of the QX, or even over the 1 ohm resistor? Maybe a compromise can be found in doing both?
    I believe AR has said the the test would be done on a cluster of 10? QX’s.
    I hope that the measurements that are and can be done will be convincing!

    • TomR

      Dear Andrea,
      We are all awaiting the demonstration of the E-cat QX at the end of November.
      Can you perhaps reveal some details like:
      1. Is the preparation for the demonstration ready and tested?
      2. Are you going to demonstrate a cluster of QuarkX’s?
      3. How many QuarkX’s will the cluster contain?
      4. Roughly how many invitees will there be?
      5. When will you demonstrate it in Sweden?
      I wish you and your team a huge success!
      Kind regards, Gerard
      Andrea Rossi
      October 31, 2017 at 5:29 PM
      Gerard McEk:
      1- yes
      2- yes
      3- 3
      4- 40
      5- the location of the demo will be disclosed several days before it
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • Gerard McEk

        Yes, so it means the QX had an output power of about 60 W. That requires a small water flow to determine the delta T and proper insulation for a good output power measurement.
        If the COP is indeed about 1000 then the input power measurement should be able to measure an average input power of 60 mW. However I assume the input power is on-off controlled. That requires a power meter with high frequency bandwidth and a proper over-current detector. I would prefer a power measurement on the mains side of the controller, as I said above.
        Measuring the power at the output of the controller should include a high spec oscilloscope (1GHz), able to detect current, voltage and phase-shifts accurately.

  • GiveADogABone

    Rossi said, “The scope of the demo is to introduce the E-Cat QX as a heat maker …”. This heat will be measured with water flow and differential temperature measurements. Fine.

    What is a problem is the electrical side. The electrical input has to be shown, beyond any reasonable doubt, to be far less than the heat output. The best electrical input of all would therefore be zero but the control box needs electrical power and the QX a bit more. This issue would be best solved by running the control box on electricity returned from the QX.

    Say 10 QX each producing 20W, 18W heat and light and 2W electrical. Say the control box consumes 18W. That leaves 2W that the control box can pass to the 10 QX when all are running. At startup, the control box draws 18W from the main supply. Start each QX in turn. As each QX starts the mains supply reduces. When the mains supply reaches zero watts, the mains plug can be removed.

    CoP= Heat Out/Electricity In.
    Heat is emitted by control box and 10 QX but Electricity In from the mains is zero and the CoP over QX plus control box is infinite.

    I want to see the mains plug removed from its socket while 10 QX run steady state.

    • atanguy

      Actually the real useful COP would be:
      CoP= Heat Out/ (3*Electricity In).

      • GiveADogABone

        If the mains plug is removed then Electricity In from the mains equals zero. (3*0)=0 and the CoP is still infinite.

        • atanguy

          Obvious 😉

    • Bob Greenyer

      MFMP director and researcher Ryan Hunt has the exact tools needed state-side to instrument this and they have been field tested with AURA. Might need adjustment based on actual specifics.

  • John Littlemist

    Sorry to repeat myself, but why to hassle with input energy measurements, if you could use off the self batteries to provide the needed(?) 24 volt input?
    Wouldn’t it be convincing if Rossi could boil a barrel of water by using just 16 AAA batteries?
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Holder-16-Size-AA-R6-Case-24V-Box-With-Wire-Lead-For-DIY-Experiment-Test/282511899717

    • Dr. Mike

      An “Energizer” AAA battery has a capacity of 1.87W-hr so 16 AAA batteries would provide 29.9W-hr. I don’t believe this amount of energy would operate the controller for a very long period in its present state of design. For example, assume the controller has to supply a high voltage pulse to turn on the QX device. It is obvious that in a final design of the controller, all of the circuitry to supply the pulse should be completely turned off once the QX devices are turned on. It is doubtful this feature would be put into a prototype controller. Also, it might be that it only takes a small amount of additional controller power to operate a lot more devices? I wouldn’t be surprised if the prototype controller needs 20W or more, in which the 16 AAA batteries would last well under 2 hours. I think it would be unreasonable to expect Rossi to put any effort into optimizing the controller between now and the demonstration. However, I would like see the power to the controller measured in the demonstration, and then have Rossi estimate how much the power to the controller can be lowered in the future.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    A trustworthy customer testifying he saved x amount of money using an E-Cat reactor compared to his use of other energy sources.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Believable data coupled with good schematics of the control system of the black box, hopefully in a Faraday cage having been weighed and had its volume measured.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We intended that for ECCO, however, that didn’t happen.

    Parkhomov used them as have others.

    We ganged the Techtronics PA1000 and the PCE-830 and got near exactly the same data during the first round of AURA tests.

  • Martin Lund

    Yes, that skeptic is the famous physicist Steven Weinberg.

  • mcloki

    Boil off a swimming pool

  • pelgrim108

    2 safety fuses between the power in and the control unit.
    Put in 2 thin strands of highest conducting material (maybe silver?) that will melt and stop conducting at double the claimed input power. (But I am open for better suggestions)

  • US_Citizen71

    I would like to see the demonstration powered by something like the power pack below and demonstrate a much greater heat output than the power pack’s charge capacity.

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07546KNVC/ref=sspa_dk_detail_1?psc=1

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Actually, rather simple:

    Here is a working device, and it been tested and vetted by our industrial partner ABB (or whoever
    has some credibility).

    And the partner (say their CEO) then states that In our tests, we saw an average COP of such and such over a period of 30 days.

    As a result, we are now engaged to partner with Rossi and will begin manufacturing of the device.

    We expect production to start in 10 months – all these statements coming from an industrial
    partner.

    Not really asking a lot, but that’s the kind of presentation I would like to see.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • kenko1

      Sean McCarthy used to work for ABB in Houston,TX in the 1990’s. Why not re-organize that powerhouse team with a demo?

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Rossi been too tight in regards to information. I can’t say the demo will convince many. Anything of credibility will center on how close they are to a product. Not a lot else
        really matters.

        So a demo certainly can create some much needed buzz for Rossi – but some kind of manufacture stating they tested and are going help Rossi produce the device is required. Of course the “firestorm” that such an entity will endure will be huge (endless
        questions about why you jumped into bed with Rossi will of course follow).

        Given the above “toxic” environment, then really a company that tested the device and willing to put their credibility on the line is required. This is something that Rossi has
        100% failed to achieve in all these years.

        Without some credible partner willing to stick their neck out, Rossi has a lot of work ahead
        to achieve credibility here. Rossi has far too often dodged this kind of credibility and their really few reasons left for such credibility not to exist at this point in time.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Omega Z

          I think Rossi allowing us to see this demo is just a gift to his followers. I think the real purpose is for a select few that will actually be present at the demo.

  • LilyLover

    Happy Rossi & Happy Guests concluding a joyful event.

  • John Littlemist

    16 AA alkaline cells have a capacity of 16 * 5W-hr = 80W-hr
    Volume of fluid to heat in litres: 100
    Temperature rise required in degrees C: 80
    Power required for one-hour heat-up: 9379 W
    Let’s exclude the controller energy consumption for now.

    In order to boil a 100 litre bucket of water in one hour with 16 AA cells, a COP of 9379 / 80 = 117 is needed.

    If the controller energy consumption in considered, the COP must be bigger than 117 in order to achieve the same result.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AA_battery
    http://everydaycalculation.com/ah-kilowatt-hour.php
    http://processheatingservices.com/water-heating-time-calculator/

  • tlp

    Now we know at least one participant:
    Alan Smith from lenr-forum:
    “Thank you for your kind offer of support. I am going to the demo, no NDA about that, but it is a requirement that the place and exact date remain confidential until Andrea Rossi makes them public. It’s all booked, and looks like costing me around £900/1000 if I want to eat and drink anything. Email me via ‘[email protected]’ if you (or anyone) wish to help financially, every little helps. I’m going with a real academic heavyweight and hope to use the opportunity to organise an ‘impossible physics’ university symposium on LENR and EmDrive with demos sometime in 2018. But whatever happens to that plan, I will write my visit up as fully as possible and post it in here.”

    Maybe Frank also?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      That’s good news – Alan has the necessary experience and will certainly be an objective reporter.

  • Bruce__H

    The truth is that Mr Rossi has maneuvered himself into a position where there is really no demonstration he could put on himself that would convince. Any reasonable person must take into account, for instance, the charges of out and out fraud that his onetime patrons leveled at him in the recent IH countersuit, or some of the documentary evidence where his claims calculations are plainly wrong as in the video taken by Krivit (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-8QdVwY98E where the steam output is visibly WAY below what would be needed under Rossi’s claims).

    Really, the only thing that Rossi can do is give the device to an independent and trusted group for a series of tests where Rossi himself and his collaborators are nowhere near the testing facility.

    • sam

      A.R also said when steam is hot you do not see it.

      https://youtu.be/5jWhd-XkO_o

      • Bruce__H

        “A.R also said when steam is hot you do not see it”

        But you do see it in Krivit’s video. So we are not seeing superheated steam there.

        Try estimating the velocity of the vapour emerging from Rossi’s outlet hose. You will find it is much smaller that required to validate his claims. It is this sort of behaviour that causes reasonable people to require an independent body to control and measure Rossi’s systems before believing the results.

        • Dr. Mike

          For a water flow of 7Kg/hr, my calculation shows that the exit velocity of the steam out of a 1cm internal diameter hose should be 30.8m/sec (69 mi/hr) much greater than what appears in the video. There was the same issue with the 1MW reactor. A measurement of the velocity of the steam in the output pipe would have indicated how much of the water flow was being turned to steam.

    • clovis ray

      Kravitz I won’t waste my time on anything he had to say.

  • sam

    Steven N. Karels
    November 1, 2017 at 4:37 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    You posted that the demo will include a configuration of 3 Ecat reactor units, each, I assume, have a nominal thermal output of 20W.

    1. Will you be monitoring the average input power going to the single controller unit?
    2. Can you command the Ecat ensemble to run at a different output level, say, 3x15W, 3x20W and 3x25W?
    3. Can you individually control each Ecat reactor (i.e., turn it off and on)?
    4. If so to #3, can you run with all three reactors active, two reactors active, 1 reactor active, and all reactors inactive?
    5. Will you be also measuring the fluid flow by periodically collecting and weighing it?

    If you can measure the total input power consumed as you vary reactor output, then it is reasonable to estimate the effective COP of each reactor without directly measuring the power input to a reactor. Thoughts?

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    November 1, 2017 at 6:23 AM
    Steven N. Karels:
    The description of the protocol will be explained at the beginning of the test.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Dr. Mike

    It looks like Rossi’s demo will feature a cluster of 3 QX devices. With an expected output power of about 60W, it seems doubtful that Rossi will show a measurement of the controller input power, which could easily be as much as 20W. For those invited to attend, a good question to ask Rossi would be: what is the expected input power to an optimized controller capable of operating 200 devices? (Also, it would be good to ask how much power the current controller is using.)

    Gerard McEk
    October 31, 2017 at 4:16 PM

    Dear Andrea,
    We are all awaiting the demonstration of the E-cat QX at the end of November.
    Can you perhaps reveal some details like:
    1. Is the preparation for the demonstration ready and tested?
    2. Are you going to demonstrate a cluster of QuarkX’s?
    3. How many QuarkX’s will the cluster contain?
    4. Roughly how many invitees will there be?
    5. When will you demonstrate it in Sweden?
    I wish you and your team a huge success!
    Kind regards,

    Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    October 31, 2017 at 5:29 PM

    Gerard McEk:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    3- 3
    4- 40
    5- the location of the demo will be disclosed several days before it
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Gerard McEk

      60 W output power requires a small water flow to enable sufficient accuracy in measuring the delta T and good insulation of all of it.
      If the COP is in the order of 1000-2000, average input powers can be expected in the order of 30-60 mW. If on-off pulsing is used, then only a very expensive input power meter can be used (especially if also high (> 200V?) starting voltages are required. I would indeed prefer power measurement at the mains side of the E-cat QX controller, although that leads to lower COP’s

      • catman

        I do not see why measuring RMS power on the primary (230 Vac )of the controller should cause any
        special problem, on the contrary I think?
        If you measure e.g. 25W input RMS power without any QX connected you would get 25W + deltaX if you connect 3pcs QX.
        Then COP calculates: total measured output power( 3 times 20W?) divided by deltaX … or I am totally out of order..?

        • Gerard McEk

          Yes, that would be be a possibility, but not very convincing. It can flawed on the same way as how VW frauded the CO2 exhaust of their cars.

        • Dr. Mike

          I think you still need to include the 25W in the system COP calculation. However, if the controller can operate 200 devices, the system COP would be 200 * 20W / (25W + 200 * deltaX), where in this case deltaX is the additional controller input power for each device connected. Optimization of the controller might result in the 25W being reduced to 10W or less and the deltaX might be improved be 50% or more. Note if deltaX is zero (or very small on the order of 1mW), then the best system COP you could achieve with 200 devices connected is 160 with the 25W controller and 400 with the optimized controller.

          • Rene

            That’s quite the speculation. We do not know how many QXs the controller can handle, and we do not know the fixed overhead vs per QX power consumption of the controller. What matters at this point is Rossi’s claim that he is achieving high COP with the 1-3 QXs. He needs to demonstrate that.
            If he’s been claiming High COP based on theoretical controller power consumption, then it’s a sham. He can get out sham territory if he measures and lets other measure the power output of the controller. Seriously, this is getting quite silly.

      • Dr. Mike

        Water flow will be very small. I think most potential customers are only interested in the system COP so a power measurement of the mains side of the E-Cat QX controller is what seems to be most important. I think that with the controller not yet optimized, Rossi may not want to show this measurement.

  • Jonnyb

    Fully Self Sustaining with some additional extra heat output would do me.

  • Thomas Kaminski

    I would like to see that the controller, power source, QX devices, thermal measurement device and electrical power measurement devices are all displayed in a manner so that nothing is hidden. Any “black box” will be open to criticism about what was hidden. As for the controller, showing the device and not the software is enough — the “secret sauce” will most likely be the QX materials, fuel recipes, and controller algorithms. They can remain secret while conducting the open public demonstration.

    I would also like to see Mats Lewan present since he probably knows as much about the personalities of all key people who are likely to be attending. Hopefully, he will help describe the event in a technical, but well-written manner.

  • sam

    JPR
    November 1, 2017 at 8:55 PM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    November 2, 2017 at 7:31 AM
    JPR:
    Today very important test, if good Sigma 5 almost reached.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • wizkid

    I would like to see announced that production will begin in 2017. Then people that have trouble believing in LENR can buy one to prove it doesn’t work. That is what I would like to C.

  • Harvey Hamel

    I would love to see all of Rossi’s guests give him a standing ovation when the demonstration is completed!

  • MK

    Me, too.

  • Jesse Laird

    PRACTICAL APPLICATION, AND YES I’M SHOUTING

  • Steve Swatman

    Has anyone come across this https://synthestech.io/ it was sent to me today, everything about it screams a con to me, does anyone here know anything about it.

    • Jonnyb

      Interesting, don’t think I can afford to give them my money.

    • Omega Z

      I agree. Scam. Someone playing on LENR research similar to others trying to sell e-cats in the past. Also note they talk of TRANSMUTATION of cheaper materials to more expensive material. Whats the value of gold if “EVERYONE” can make it cheaply.

      Want to buy some gold for a discounted rate of $500 an ounce? No thank you. I just whipped up some myself for $2 an ounce.

  • kenko1

    hear hear. & bob G

  • sam

    JPR
    November 2, 2017 at 4:19 PM
    Update?

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    November 2, 2017 at 4:24 PM
    JPR
    Great test today, very important. I think the Sigma 5 is now very close.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Frank Acland

    Yes I did receive an invitation.

    • sam

      Good to hear you got invite Frank.

    • bfast

      Very exciting! Is there anything holding you up from going? I am sure that if it is just finances, the LENR community would be quick to solve that problem.

      • Frank Acland

        We are working on ways to provide the best possible ECW coverage from the event that we can. We want to make sure that the event is reported on and recorded very well. Planning is ongoing and I will update readers if we are in needs of funds to do the best job we can. Please do not send money at this point.

        • georgehants

          Donation Waiting Frank, not because I believe that Rossi is going to release enough information to help mankind, but if by the slightest chance his demonstration is open and genuine enough to convince others, then hopefully there will be an avalanche of Research and shortly our good Chinese friends etc. will produce something that will benefit everybody on the planet.

          • Frank Acland

            I think the more the E-Cat is taken seriously, the greater the interest in replicating it. This presentation could widen the circle of people getting interested in the LENR field.

          • georgehants

            Great minds think alike, ha.

    • clovis ray

      Good, you deserve to be there, You know as much as anyone about this devise I know you will give your best for E-cat world.have you made travel arrangements yet , how is your travel budget. I would love to have gone to the demonstration. But alass no bread.thought I would of lgotten a mention at least. But it will be a very exciting thing to watch as well, say hi to vesse lannikolova for me .
      We have became friends she is a great reporter among lots of other things she has a great blog and a great book about Dr Rossi.

    • MorganMck

      Are you going?

    • kasom

      …so you end the guess when game now?
      Will the locations still be twofold or is it only video conference?

      • Frank Acland

        For details about exact time and place we have to wait until an official announcement. As far as I have been informed there will be an invited audience, and the whole event will be streamed via internet and recorded for later viewing.

        • Rene

          And there we have it, NDA. This is not a good sign.

  • Bob Greenyer

    **This is the email we sent on the 1st November, we have not received acknowledgement of receipt.**

    Greetings, Leonardo Corp and Mr Rossi. I [Ryan Hunt] am a director with MFMP and I would like to offer to serve as an observer, or more, to make your upcoming demonstration of your LENR technology as valuable to you as the world hopes it will be. MFMP is best known for its open science in the LENR field as we continue to openly demonstrate that LENR exists. Therefore, you and we have a mutual goal of making your test valid, understood, and convincing.

    MFMP would like to offer help on several different levels.

    First, we could just send an observer. Having an observer from an unbiased, non-commercial, and independent organization such as ours would add significant credibility to the test and demonstrate a gesture of good will on your part. The specific observer selected would be one that is mutually agreed upon by yourself and MFMP.

    Second, as experts in designing and executing live experiments, MFMP recommends for maximum credibility that you consider doing the following things in association with your test:
    1. Communicating the experimental setup to the audience
    2. Demonstrating valid calibration of the instrumentation to be used
    3. Planning and communicating the demonstration procedure in detail
    4. Live stream the data and video streams
    5. And analyze the results promptly

    1-3 should ideally be done in advance to allow for practical and sound suggestions to be considered. In the interest of the science of LENR, MFMP can assist you in any of these aspects.

    MFMP has made black box tests and we would similarly consider this test a black box test. We would not seek to learn anything about how this device operates – only measure its energy performance. Or, more precisely, help you demonstrate that you are measuring the energy performance in the most accurate and meaningful way possible.

    We are not looking to be paid. In the interest of being impartial, we would only raise funds to cover our expenses from donations.

    Let us know if we can help.

    Ryan Hunt, Director, MFMP.

    • Dr. Mike

      I hope someone representing MFMP is invited to the demonstration. Your participation would greatly increase the chances that the results will be meaningful to the scientific community. Also, good to see that Frank has been invited. With the input from his followers, he should be a very good observer/reporter of the event.

      • Rene

        MFMP has not been invited, yet. If this demo happens on the 30th, that is not much time to let them get ready for it. Will this be a slow no to MFMP?

        • Dr. Mike

          I don’t think MFMP needs to get ready for the demonstration as they would be observers. Rossi is the one that could use more time if he decided to include any of MFMP’s suggestions for improving the demonstration.

    • MorganMck

      Any/all of the suggestions/offers in the MFMP email are EXACTLY what Dr. Rossi SHOULD DO to gain credibility in demonstrating the QX. Sadly, I think the chances of him doing any of these are nil. He cannot stand to not be in total control and the center of attention and appears to be paranoid in the extreme. So I anticipate he will once again let an opportunity pass by and arrogantly insist that others must accept his word and assurances and that commercialization (which seems to always be a year away) is the only possible vindication for his eCat. I hope I’m wrong but I fear I am not.

    • Rene

      That is an excellent email Bob, Ryan. I hope he takes you up on it, at the very least have one of you as an observer.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Ryan was the lead author. Let’s see what happens.

    • Omega Z

      Hey Bob,

      Rossi does not always take notice of all the e-mails he receives through Leonardo. Like everyone else, he receives a lot of spam. It would be a good Idea to notify Rossi that you have sent an e-mail on JONP so that he can be looking for it or let you know whether he received it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Good tip, I have never read his blog or commented there, other than when specific messages had been highlighted. There are at least 3 parties that are going or have been invited that are aware of our letter.

    • Gerard McEk

      Hi Bob, I very much hope one of you will be invited. It would very much contribute to the credibility of the test. Nevertheless I would think that Andrea would not allow you to do everything you desire to test that day.
      However, an independent recognized proffesional would help to judge the opinions of the demonstrators and the trolls and finding the truth.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We shall see.

    • Bruce Williams

      Ryan, I think your proposals are excellent, I hope Dottore Rossi takes note of them and wishes to accept your offer of support. I, for one, would be willing to contribute.

    • Steve D

      Bob, I’m sure all would like to see MFMP there as an independent assessor. If Rossi has done his homework he should have such an organisation teed up by now who are well rehearsed and ready to go. However, there is no reason why a second group could not repeat the test immediately after the first (apart from set up time considerations). It would be particularly persuasive if both reports are the same. After all, once the technology is out there such assessments will be done 1000’s of times. Hope you get the gig.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks Steve. I just hope it is credible, otherwise it is not even funny anymore.

  • Bruce Williams

    As an infrequent commentator, but a regular reader of this blog, I would like to nominate the following as “mandatory” attendees at the Demo later this month.
    Frank Acland , who has has led this activity supremely well,Axil Axil, LENR G, Dr Mike, & Mats Lewan..

  • sam

    I think A.R. should give you an invite Clovis. I have not seen one
    negative comment from you
    regarding Dr Rossi and his technology.

  • Bob Cook

    Dr. Rossi–

    At one point in the development of Quark-X (E-Cat QX) you reported that energy was produced in 3 forms: light, thermal, and electrical field voltage. In addition it was possible to control the relative outputs of these 3 forms of energy to some degree.

    Demo Suggestion:

    1. In addition to the demo of heat (thermal) energy production, data demonstrating one or both of the other 2 forms of energy–light and/or electric field voltage–
    would be of interest to many observers.
    2. The ability of the control system to modify the relative proportion of these output energies would be of equal interest to many observers.

    Thank you for your perseverance in the E-Cat R&D and thank Dr. S. Focardi when you next see him.

    Sincerely,

    Bob Cook

  • Bob Greenyer

    We cannot sign NDAs – though, I am not sure how an NDA works when the intention is to stream the experiment.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I vote for you to go Clovis!

    I have said on a number of occasions that I and the other directors past and present of the MFMP were at least in part inspired by Rossi’s work – I personally have spent a fair chunk of my life replicating or testing his claims based in part on his published work with varying degrees of correlation.

  • Rene

    Explain yourself.

  • sam

    Andrea Rossi
    November 3, 2017 at 10:08 PM
    Gabriel Berra:
    No, because to get that result I had to live 352 days inside it 16 hours per day, from 6 P.M. to 10 A.M of the following day, and two other persons, one engineer and one electrician, had to cover from 10 A.M. to 6 P.M., not to mention when I had to stay for 20 hours and the others of the Team had to reach me in the middle of the night for problems . It was a prototype, not a product, but the experience we made with it has generated the QX. We had strong problems and probably, from what we analyzed after the stop from all the components, it was close to die in short time after the end of the test. It was not ready to be a product, but it was a dam good prototype, by means of which an enormous experience has been made.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    JPR
    November 3, 2017 at 1:24 AM
    Update? How has gone the yesterday’s important test?

    Andrea Rossi
    November 3, 2017 at 10:13 PM
    JPR:
    Is gone well. I still am afraid to make mistakes, but start to feel safe.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.
    JPR
    November 4, 2017 at 1:18 AM
    Update?

    Andrea Rossi
    November 4, 2017 at 7:17 AM
    JPR:
    Very close.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi has spent years of his life trying to remedy the energy situation. WHAT have YOU done other then complain?

  • georgehants

    Rossi’s Conscience, your view is very understandable, a choice between one man seemingly trying to become super rich for himself alone or sharing his discovery for thousands of scientists to quickly advance the Technology to help many others.
    The sensible and logical answer is for society to reward fairly all people who help society, pro rata to it’s importance, free the knowledge, give Rossi et al a fully equipped lab and workers for him to continue his work in conjunction with those thousands of others.
    That is irrefutable logic and only those that care would agree, so do not be put off by the constant attacks from some that seem to have no care.

    • Frank Acland

      To my mind, Andrea Rossi has figured out something remarkable regarding energy production, and is doing what he thinks is best with his invention. Like most people in his position he has some self interest and ambition — and that is probably what has caused him to devote the latter part of his life to developing the E-Cat. So if self interest and ambition has brought the E-Cat into the world, an invention with so much potential to do good, I am not going to complain, rather thank God for it!

      As much as anyone, I would like to live in a world where everything is just, and there is no hatred, war, abuse, cruelty, etc., where everyone works for the good of everyone else and we can eliminate the problems that plague our world.

      But just because we want something to be different, it doesn’t mean that it is. Life is complicated and difficult. We have to deal with the realities of people the way they are, the economic , political and legal systems the way they are and somehow try and make the best of things given the realities of the moment, and find a way to make progress.

      • georgehants

        Frank, everything you say is agreed and your last seven words put everything in perspective, “and find a way to make progress.”
        Without the will to do that then logically everything will stay the same.
        It seems sensible to realise the shortcomings of the way things are and for us all to join hands and work for that “progress” I think.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    To answer the question above:

    1. Control measurements, taken by an independent party with their own instruments.
    2. After the test run, a dismantled setup that can be inspected by the observers.

  • Dr. Mike

    Although I agree that an independent test would be the best method to determine the real state of Rossi’s technology, I think that there is still some proprietary information in the technology that Rossi is not yet prepared to release. I think we will have to wait and see if Rossi uses at least some the many suggestions that have been made for making his demonstration a more scientific experiment.

    • AdrianAshfield

      I agree. Particularly what initiates the reaction, that is something Rossi would not be keen to share.

      The demo is probably more for his partner;investors than the world in general and as before we will have to wait for commercial sales to have absolute proof.

      I repeat my caution that the high temperature version will require a lot of development and testing before it is ready for sale. There are difficult problems to solve that will take longer than the skeptics will accept.

      • I don’t know for sure but I strongly suspect that the whole “5 sigma” idea did not come from Rossi himself. So the five sigma is somebody who wants proof of reliability before they go all-in or commit to manufacturing.

        There is also evidence that “the Swedes,” in general, are part of the cake that’s being baked. Gullstrom constructs theories around the data. Rumors swirl of successful replication by the Uppsala folk. ABB keeps coming up when robots are mentioned for mass production. Hydrofusion remains on board despite knowing they were duped by Rossi himself.

        So I suspect a Swedish entity requested five sigma.

        • Frank Acland

          I agree. Rossi has basically said as much.

        • Frank Acland

          Frank Acland
          September 18, 2017 at 9:17 AM
          Dear Andrea,

          Thank you for the explanation about Sigma 5. Does Sigma 5 represent only an internal milestone for you, or is this goal important to some external entity?

          Many thanks,

          Frank Acland

          Andrea Rossi
          September 18, 2017 at 11:40 AM
          Frank Acland:
          Both.
          Warm Regards,
          A.R.

          • In my fevered dreams I imagine Uppsala and ABB have created a tech transfer consortium to finally bring this technology to the world and their first step was to prove the effect was scientifically valid… hence the 5 sigma gate.

        • MasterBlaster7

          suspect? Rossi said it outright that he was doing the 5 sigma for an investor to move forward with production. Do more research.

  • Bob Greenyer

    UPDATE: We know that there has been at least one, direct, personal contact with Rossi on behalf of the MFMP, this was not pushed by us but was done by a third party on their initiative. We have not received a response.

  • kenko1

    3 separate ecat s each turned on with the flip of a swtch.
    One demonstrates heat.
    One demonstrates light.
    One demonstrates electrical energy.
    yours,
    kenko1

  • Jag bara undrar?

    A district heating plant in Sweden that has been in use for more than 12 months……

  • MasterBlaster7

    I want to see Elon Musk at the demonstration….ready to invest.