‘Premature’ to Invite Mainstream Media to E-Cat Presentation

I have become used to the fact that the E-Cat is a topic that is ignored by the mainstream media, but still I think it’s probably one of the most important technological developments of our time.

As Andrea Rossi prepares for the presentation of the E-Cat QX, one might think this would be the perfect opportunity to finally get the press interested in what he has been doing for the last decade or so, but Rossi is not taking that approach. Here’s a comment on the subject from the Journal of Nuclear Physics yesterday.

Rodney Nicholson
November 8, 2017 at 4:10 PM
Dear Andrea:

I was surprised to hear it has been decided not to invite representatives of at least a few of the main-stream media to your 24th November presentation. Presumably the presentation’s purpose is to reveal some of your most recent innovations to a wider audience. Many of your fans reading this blog have been surprised and disappointed, given the truly astonishing implications of your discoveries, that they are not being discussed in the news media on a daily basis. (For a start it would be nice to read some good news occasionally, interspersed within the regular torrent of bad news.)

Is there a reason you do not seem to want to bring awareness of your progress to the entire world?

Rodney Nicholson.

Andrea Rossi
November 8, 2017 at 4:57 PM
Rodney Nicholson:
That will be proper when we will launch the product massively.
Now it is premature.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

So it seems that Rossi does not want a lot of media attention at the moment. There might be business advantages in not alerting the world that he has a groundbreaking technology that could disrupt the energy industry — but in that case why do a presentation at all, and just continue to quietly work away in your laboratory?

Regardless of Rossi’s inclination to reach out to the media, I’m frankly quite disappointed in the majority of members of scientific press, who one would hope and expect to be looking to highlight important discoveries and bring them to the attention of the public. However it seems clear that ‘cold fusion’/LENR is too toxic subject to be mentioned in ‘enlightened’ circles. It seems to be a topic that with the ability to ruin ones career if taken seriously. Huw Price at Cambridge University has covered this phenomenon well in this article on the ‘reputation trap.’

Without mainstream media outlets covering the story, there will likely be a rather limited reaction to the presentation. As usual it will be covered on a few rather obscure sites like E-Cat World, but we stay largely under the radar. If the presentation is done well and is quite convincing I expect it will be shared by enthusiast. There is a chance that more internet discussion will be generated, and perhaps in time the attention will percolate up to media channels with wider audiences.

  • sam

    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:
    Will be made public the list of attendants to the Demo of Nov 24?

    Andrea Rossi
    November 8, 2017 at 10:32 PM
    Jeff:
    Absolutely not.
    We must respect the privacy of all the attendants. Their name will be known only by me, of course, and by the security guards, that will allow the entrance only to the persons invited, checking their ID with the list of the persons that have been allowed.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Luca Meli

      Another year of wasted time waiting for Rossi. He isn’t a respectful guy

  • sam

    From LENR Forum
    November 7, 2017 by vessinik

    Hello everybody.
    I would like to thank Andrea Rossi publicly for giving me the opportunity to be a moderator for a debate in Italian that will meet him in Skype video conferencing – and exclusively for Italy – to anyone who wants to ask him questions right after the conclusion of the public test of the QuarkX reactor , to be held on November 24th.
    In order to be able to take part in the web conference, it is compulsory to subscribe to my blog newsletter by specifying First Name, Last Name, and Email Address to which you will later be contacted for residual data (Profession and Skype Contact). Alternatively, you can provide the same 5 data via email, sending them to [email protected] .
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    Up to 24 people will be accepted, so – even receiving all the required data – we can not guarantee the inclusion of the conference call participants list. You will also be informed that the debate will be recorded.
    Hoping that the thing is welcome, I greet my readers.
    Vessela

    • sam

      From LENR Forum

      Rossi-Blog Comment Discussion
      Alan Smith
      20 hours ago

      Bob wrote:
      can only hope that Alan and others will attend and perhaps observe something that is solid and conclusive. If not, in my opinion, they should report exactly what they found… that this demo was nothing of substance and that it’s purpose was surely for something other than showing the QuarkX worked in any manner. This in itself would not be a positive outcome.
      Reply
      I shall certainly attempt to be as comprehensive and accurate when reporting as I can be. No point in going otherwise. As for hard questions, I have some to ask, but cannot of course guarantee they will be answered.

      • Jas

        Typical post from Lenr Forum.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Do you know the purpose of the presentation?

  • georgehants

    Frank, we seem to be talking to each other more than we have in seven years on page.
    I completely agree with your analysis above, nothing makes common sense, the discovery of the generation and here we are seven years later still hiding it, l have been aware of the Human condition for many years that overwhelmingly can only be described as insane, but day by day the insanity seems to intensify, will it ever end.
    Perhaps a few people would like to reply to this comment telling me that Rossi becoming insanely rich is more important and perfectly justified.
    ——–
    Just to show how nutty I am, a link below to Amira Willighagen, started sighing opera at age nine, immidiatly started a charity foundation for children’s playgrounds in Africa, appears mostly at charity events and donates half her earnings to her charity.
    This is her now age thirteen, well on the way to becoming the premier soprano of the century.
    It is good there are a few Wonderful people in this World to balance the hatred and destruction for personal gain and power.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHpsVfCvbJM

  • georgehants

    guitarwebs, start off with common sense, think logically and forget the crazy expert economists who do not seem to have one working brain cell between them.
    it is irrelevant to economics the number of people put out of work as those jobs are logically no longer needed, the remaining necessary work can then be shared between everybody, leading to shorter working hours and earlier retirement for all, the other necessary work, food etc. etc carries on as normal, nobody losses but now more people can work to help others.
    Society can carry on paying these people at the same rate as they have been earning with no effect whatsoever.
    People are only kept working to control the masses and make the rich feel superior.
    Logical answers looked forward to.

  • Charlietapp

    It is not in the media because it is not conclusive. His results from this demonstration will only bring out the sleeping naysayers again there will not be definitive proof of anything and I bet he even makes people sign waivers to not talk about it. Starting to suck this lenr trap I have been stuck in. It will even be moved to a different date and location because that place couldn’t accomadate the masses that showed up. The next presentation will be under strict legal disclosure. To bad lenr doesn’t work as good as this perpetual merry go round everyone’s house could be warm trying to slow it down. Sorry just sucks

  • Jas

    I wrote to the editors of Futurism earlier in the year. It wasnt easy as I had to search on the internet how to contact them. In my message I talked about Rossi and Brilliant Light Power. Futurism loves to run articles on hot fusion while completely ignoring Lenr. They did post an article a few months after but it was the typical type of article we are used to seeing. With a mostly negative perspective.

  • Dr. Mike

    I agree with Rossi that it is way too early to bring in main stream media since it could easily be a couple of years before he has a prototype product to demonstrate. If the November 24th demo is successful, let the internet be the media for releasing the good news, which should then “percolate up” to use Frank’s terminology to media with wider audiences.

  • isaiah

    Remember, 2 trillion barrels of oil in the ground in active fields. At todays price per barrel worth about 114 trillion us dollars. If replaced by a new energy source will….well i don’t see that happening soon. That is one hell of a budget to postpone any advancement in the energy sector. The only way to advance any new energy technology will have to be through open source…do it yourself type of technology….anyone with reasonable skills can take advantage of and spread the knowledge….that is how it will start. Grass roots growth spreading from town to town, then commercial propogation will follow. Until the secrets of “LENR” are revealed to all in open source research, nothing will change. We have never sen such greed since the days of robber barons. “We” have the challenge to spread the knowledge gained only by open source research to break down the current status quo in global economics.

    • guitarwebs

      Copycat!

  • GGluek

    I hate to be a gloomy Gus, but why should anyone be surprised? The only way Andrea can shed the labels of being either greedy or a scam artist, is to publish a replicable setup, that will have hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists/engineers working on both the theory and practical applications of his version of LENR. The engineering problems will be solved sooner, he gets to go down in history, and even so will surely earn enough to be wildly comfortable for the rest of his life.

    • Omega Z

      “that will have hundreds (if not thousands) of scientists/engineers working on both the theory and practical applications”

      Never happen. They will ignore it until Rossi has something on the market. At that point, they no longer matter…

  • Who will be first?

      • Robert Godes seems to have a pessimistic outlook as of late because of the inability to attract funding. I believe he speculates that because Billions have already been invested in ITER and other technologies those with funding are having a hard time with the concept of all the money being disrupted by LENR as a cheaper and more efficient technology. In essence they’d rather wait hoping that the money they have already invested will breakthrough first. If LENR break outs before success with ITER it will be seen as a massive White Elephant.

        • LCD

          It’s a different type of funding though. You have to compare it to mag confinement fusion and the private funding that is getting.

        • Omega Z

          “Robert Godes seems to have a pessimistic outlook as of late because of the inability to attract funding.”

          Robert Godes has little to leverage funding for his technology. He has already given away 95% of controlling interest and IP ownership.

      • interstellar hobo

        Tri-Alpha

  • Nixter

    One has to wonder, how long after disclosure before Dr Rossi’s ideas are widely copied? Normally the existent IP (Intellectual Property) laws are sufficient to offer adequate protection, but if the process can be easily copied by relatively low tech competitors, then I do not see how it will be possible to sue the multitude of imitators that will surely spring up. Stopping GE from stealing the idea will be much easier than stopping dozens of small factories in India, China, and South America. Rossi plans to win the race by producing huge numbers of units made economical by a massive industrialized scaling up production capabilities through robotic assembly. That is an excellent solution, for the short term.
    Once this Genie is out of the bottle, there is no way of “putting it back.” The tactic of protecting your IP through secrecy only works if the “secret sauce” is kept secret. Once revealed, the idea behind the effect can be analyzed and studied in detail by scientists, if real, there should be multiple avenues of research to explore, from which will come new discoveries leading to new effects and novel branches of insights and hypothesis’. Keep in mind that a new patented technology is not granted a monopoly, further if the discovery is profound, it must be licensed for a fair and competitive price to interested parties.

    Once the ecat is out of the bag, it will run directly to the nearest physics research facility.

  • Teddybear

    I remember the days when the Manhattan project was launched to develop the atomic bomb. The most clever guys available at that time were locked into a camp to do their job. No worries about competition or budget. No mainstream media looking over their shoulders. Such things don’t happen nowadays. Our society is different. Do-it-yourself is the way forward where open source research must then be the catalyst to make it happen.

    • guitarwebs

      Yep.

  • Richard Hill

    If I was Rossi, I would not invite the MSM.
    The cynical journos from the MSM would immediately pick over Rossi’s past.
    They would see more news value in his jail time than any future value of his work.

    • Bruce__H

      “The cynical journos from the MSM would immediately pick over Rossi’s past.
      They would see more news value in his jail time than any future value of his work.”

      I think this is probably accurate. But I don’t see what is wrong with it. If Rossi really has something then it will withstand such criticism. On the other hand, if the entire thing is a con then I think a full picture of his past activities is essential. Do you disagree with this reasoning?

      • US_Citizen71

        Please explain the con…

        • Bruce__H

          Well … pretty much what IH has described. They say that Mr Rossi lied to them about the properties of his ECats and about his customers so as to fraudulently take money from them.

          • US_Citizen71

            So why didn’t they file criminal charges? Because there was no fraud. Fraud is a crime it would have cost them nothing but time to file charges. If anything pointing to criminal activity had come up in the trial the judge would have been required to report and forward the information to the correct prosecuting body. Since that didn’t happen there was no evidence of fraud presented. Try again!

  • Alan DeAngelis

    When they take me to the nursing home and shoot me up with Haldol and feed me dog food, maybe I’ll watch MSM TV news.

  • Observer

    Whenever I read an article about a subject or incident I am familiar with, the article is usually about 30% factually incorrect. This makes me worry about all the articles I read when I am not familiar with the subject.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth
      itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The
      real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who
      are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies
      of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my
      fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers live & die in the belief
      that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in
      their time; whereas the accounts they have read in newspapers are just
      as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present,
      except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables.
      General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is
      now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has
      subjected a great portion of Europe to his will, &c., &c.; but
      no details can be relied on. I will add that the man who never looks
      into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as
      he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled
      with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the
      great facts, and the details are all false.”

      Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, Washington, June 11, 1807

      • Robert Dorr

        If the distance you travel in your search for information is between your eyes and the pages of a newspaper, I would agree, but that should be just one step in a myriad of possible steps in a never ending journey. Never look and you end your life an ignorant fool.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          You live and you learn then you die and you rot. So, we all wind up in the same place.

    • georgehants

      Observer, one must always dig deep for the Truth. You will not find this on CNN or Fox News etc.
      Just blame the Russians to cover-up every home fault.
      ——–
      CIA wrote code ‘to impersonate’ Russia’s Kaspersky Lab anti-virus company, WikiLeaks says
      Published time: 9 Nov, 2017
      WikiLeaks says it has published the source code for the CIA
      hacking tool ‘Hive,’ which indicates that the agency-operated malware
      could mask itself under fake certificates and impersonate public
      companies, namely Russian cybersecurity firm Kaspersky Lab.
      The CIA multi-platform hacking suite ‘Hive’ was able to impersonate existing
      entities to conceal suspicious traffic from the user being spied on,
      the source code of the malicious program indicates, WikiLeaks said on
      Thursday.The extraction of information would therefore be
      misattributed to an impersonated company, and at least three examples in
      the code show that Hive is able to impersonate Russian cybersecurity
      company Kaspersky Lab, WikiLeaks stated
      https://www.rt.com/news/409376-cia-wrote-code-to-impersonate-kaspersky/

  • Frank Acland

    Here’s a landing page I created regarding the demo: http://e-catworld.com/demo/

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I agree Frank, if the presentation is not to impress his partners or the media, why give it?

  • HS61AF91

    Hmm, day after Thanksgiving, people running around in Black Friday shopping frenzy… pretty low key presentation time, and perhaps, on purpose.

    • georgehants

      HS61AF91, I think that on the 23rd, ECW should only have very positive comments regarding Rossi’s demonstration.
      Perhaps a day of just positive vibs will help a good result to materialise.
      Best

      • HS61AF91

        looking forward to some good turkey and fixings!

  • orsobubu

    Serious?

  • LCD

    More so with a taboo topic like this. They have topcover and can just say Rossi is a fraud and they figured it out on their own.

    Look at the attention they are paying the EM Drive.

  • LCD

    IH comments are speculation. It’s akin to saying Darden works for the secret government trying to bury UFO knowledge.

    I know the guys at brillouin and Rossi has had more success than they have at raising money and there are no criminal backgrounds there.

    I think the evidence points to A) Rossi is difficult to work with, and B) Rossi does not have a reliable reaction yet.

  • Omega Z

    Actually, Mainstream media outlets have covered the E-cat in the past as well as BLP/Mills and others.

    Mainstream media-> Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, etc, plus Forbes, NBF and more. However, with the television networks, they end the segment with some cutsie snide remark of some sort and most know how they treat such topics on the internet news.

  • Ophelia Rump

    By that standard nothing would ever be accomplished which was not born with full maturity.

    An unnatural act.

  • georgehants

    Alan, how did you get this picture of me?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      If the E-Cat is the world’s greatest invention, you’ve come up with a close 2nd.
      Bon Appétit!

      • Omega Z

        How do I git me one of dem dare personal serving tables.
        That better then an old feed bag,,,

  • Bohem FromCz

    If Rossi has nothing, no picture makes him better.
    And if he has what he says, nothing will destroy him.

  • US_Citizen71

    “Unlike private attorneys, government attorneys who learn of a government employee’s previous criminal conduct have a statutory obligation to report such conduct. 28 U.S.C. § 535(b); In re: Grand Jury Subpoena, 112 F.3d 910, 920 (8th Cir.), cert. denied, 117 S. Ct. 2482 (1997). However, private attorneys cannot be required to report and cannot be required to divulge information relating to past criminal activity, even pursuant to the government’s subpoena power. In re: Grand Jury Matters, 593 F. Supp. 103 (D.N.H.), affirmed by, 751 F.2d 13 (1st Cir. 1984) (Government not permitted to subpoena criminal defense attorneys regarding details of representation relative to state felony trials where same defendants were being investigated for same acts by Federal grand jury).

    Finally, section 4 of the criminal code makes it a felony to conceal knowledge of, and fail to report, a felony cognizable by a court of the United States. See 18 U.S.C. §4. This felony is seldom prosecuted and is most often used as a vehicle for a plea agreement when the parties are looking to plea to a three year felony.” – http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/when-a-civil-action-becomes-criminal-practical-considerations-in.html

    “Most criminal fraud offenses are considered felony crimes and are punishable by jail, fines, probation, or all of the above. Civil penalties may include restitution (paying the person back) or payment of substantial fines (geared to punish the behavior). The penalties for your offense will depend on the nature, type, scope, and severity of the action and whether it was committed by an individual or an entity, such as a business, corporation or group.” – http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/fraud.html

  • US_Citizen71

    How about actually posting a link that supports your position. I don’t consider you an authority on anything. back up your view, I have.

  • US_Citizen71

    No you really didn’t explain anything, you said what IH complained about. That is not explanation that’s a dodge and you are still dodging. IH’s countersuit was not found to be true before they withdrew it. So it is nothing but hearsay. So explain the con.

  • roseland67

    Yeah,
    I mean it’s only been what, 7 years?