The Patsy, the Working Group, and the Hardware (Hank Mills)

The following post has been submitted by Hank Mills

There’s a saying that there’s nothing new under the sun. That adage also holds true for the unidentified flying objects that have been sighted in the skies of our planet since antiquity. In fact, the astonishing rock-solid evidence of a startling encounter with a seemingly intelligently controlled craft released by the Pentagon’s newly declassified Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) isn’t really a breakthrough, a revelation, or a discovery of paradigm shattering magnitude.

At least hundreds – if not thousands – of equally significant events have been documented over the past century. Being tracked on radar repeatedly violating our airspace, showing off their technological superiority while interacting with our aircraft, remotely disrupting the control systems of our nuclear arsenal, and in some cases crashing to Earth leaving behind hardware and corpses, they’ve attracted plenty of attention by the powers that be.

Starting at least immediately after the crash of an extraterrestrial space craft outside of Roswell, New Mexico in 1947 and continuing through the cold war to modern times, a conglomeration of influential parties and individuals identified by multiple different names in the history of ufology that I refer to here as the “Working Group”, has made it its mandate to manage all knowledge and information about these non-human visitors.

After decades of repeated, frequent visitation, the bulk of the scientific community still equate all unidentified aerial phenomena to snake oil and pseudo-scientific woo woo. Compared to the Working Group, the AATIP is nothing more than a Johnny-come-lately entity attempting to figure out exactly has been going on.

The gun camera footage of a clearly anomalous craft obtained by two Super Hornet jet fighter pilots, along with associated witness testimony, shows those involved with the AATIP haven’t been twiddling their thumbs. There’s no denying the significance of the incident; no human built craft utilizing even the most advanced publicly known technology could maneuver in such a manner. No plane, drone, or rocket ever built can make such hard turns, accelerate so rapidly, and instantly stop on a dime; moreover, the visible lack of any component resembling a known propulsion or control mechanism is confounding, to say the least.

But a dozen such videos would not compare to the evidence and assets collected by the Working Group, because they have actual hardware. That’s right, I refuse to pull my punches here: they have had since early July of 1947, and possibly before, at least partially intact extraterrestrial space craft along with the bodies of their occupants.

The bounty acquired from the find of an ET craft would be incalculable. For a moment, consider the massive wealth of knowledge that could be obtained from the study of any one item found aboard. Ignoring the bodies and the organ systems composing their overall anatomy, single cells from the bodies could contain DNA, genes, proteins, and organelles capable of keeping thousands of biologists up to their neck in work for their entire careers. Any bacteria, viruses, parasites, symbiotes, or other organisms found while analyzing these cells could represent additional life-forms that would require additional study. This would be a serious matter, because no one would want a beast such as the fictional “Andromeda Strain” pathogen escaping and wreaking havoc.

From a material science point of view – not even considering the process of trying to figure out their purpose or function – every device found would have to be studied intently. A single gadget could be composed of totally unknown polymers, alloys, semi-conductors, super-conductors, and other materials that would make even the often hyped up Earth material, graphene, seem oddly mundane. From one ray gun or communicator, a hundred new industries could be spawned, each producing materials that could change our civilization as significantly as plastics did last century! Since it seems plausible that extraterrestrial craft capable of traversing long distances would utilize information technology, the computer systems of any such ship would be worthy of intense study.

Already, we humans on Earth can fit the equivalent of a full-sized library of books in a single computer. If our data storage technologies can store hundreds of gigabytes in postage stamp sized flash memory chips, I’d suppose that such a space faring species could achieve greater densities. Hacking into such an extraterrestrial database, if we could even interpret a fraction the content, might give us access to the accumulated knowledge of a thousand different cultures spanning the galaxy – each ancient and having existing in a technologically sophisticated state for potentially thousands or millions of years. As you can see, not even factoring in the energy production and propulsion technologies that could be acquired from the study of such a vehicle, the Working Group possessed hardware and biology of infinite worth.

There was certainly a need to apply a great deal of caution during the examination and investigation of these materials. Perhaps, when it came to certain specifics and details, there could have even been a legitimate need for a certain level of secrecy – at least initially. But the Working Group didn’t simply take a modest length of time (perhaps a few months or up to a year) to assess what they found before at least sharing some of the fundamentals of the discovery with the public.

Primarily, the extraterrestrial nature of the craft found at Roswell should have been admitted to and the initial cover-up, including weather balloon absurdity, emphatically apologized for. Instead, they decided to continually suppress the knowledge obtained from the very citizens they were supposed to serve, while hungrily seeking more assets of extraterrestrial origin for their own purposes.

They have continued along this corrupt path to this very day. A few readers of this article may argue that someone or some faction of the Working Group (most likely after all these years it’s not a totally monolithic organization) allowed for the creation of the AATIP, and, therefore, are starting a process of disclosure. “We should be encouraged and celebrate that disclosure is beginning,” they may exclaim. “After being kept in the dark so long, we should just be happy they are letting some information out! Why bite the hand that feeds us?”

We, members of the public in the declassified world, have been kept trapped in a narrowly confined paradigm due to the initial decisions and continuing efforts of the Working Group. While ET craft are flying in our skies above our heads, we’re allowed to be taught that any intelligent extraterrestrial life is likely far away (if we are not alone in the universe altogether),that there will never be a way of traveling faster than light to make interstellar space travel practical (at least in a normal human lifespan), and we know almost everything of practical value when it comes to physics (Einstein’s E=MC2 tells us everything we need to know).

Not only are we kept trapped in a tangled web of falsehoods to keep the elephant in the room almost invisible, but the vast majority of our leaders are as well. Our elected decision makers are kept ignorant despite the reality of such contact being of utmost urgency. Apparently, the Working Group assumes that they’ve been bestowed some divine right to govern over all these matters. Operating outside the governmental structure established in the constitution, denying the concept of democracy, seeking to maintain the status quo of secrecy above all other considerations: their tyranny knows no bounds.

If the members of the former AATIP project, which has reportedly been defunded and shut down, are truly seeking to serve the public good, they should do more than push to declassify the UFO evidence they’ve accumulated. With equal vigor, they should openly share what they know or have discovered about the Working Group and urge the official government of the United to bring all matters pertaining to UFOs under the control of duly elected representatives. I suspect that the members of the AATIP project and the civilian organizations they are now coordinating with would have little or no problem with this.

What may complicate the efforts to get at the truth about the UFO topic is that the Working Group and their allies likely had already built their own replications of extraterrestrial vehicles by the 1960s or 1970s, at the latest. By examining the workings of the craft recovered at Roswell and other recovery sites, they likely discovered that Maxwell’s original conceptualization of electrodynamics (before Heaviside gutted his original equations) offered a correct interpretation of physical reality in most regards. I believe a significant percentage of unknown craft in our skies exhibiting seemingly impossible maneuvers are of human origin: utilizing a complete grasp of physical reality rather than the tiny subset used by aeronautical engineers to produce chemically fueled rockets and jet engines.

The classical view of electrodynamics was one in which an aether or universal medium pervaded all space, even existing in the hard vacuum light years away between stars. In relation to the study of electrical forces, a flow of aether was the source of the “magnetic vector potential” which Maxwell considered to be the prime mover and source of momentum for all electromagnetic phenomenon. Along with the “scalar potential” (which could be considered somewhat analogous to the atmospheric pressure of the aether), these two concepts gave electromagnetism physical reality, something more than mathematical equations. The manipulation of this aether could allow for the manipulation of gravity, inertia, and mass. This is because if such a structure to the vacuum actually exists, these forces are not properties intrinsic to matter; instead, these forces are simply a result of the interaction of matter with the medium in which they occupy. Electrodynamics could be directly compared to the hydrodynamic study of fluids. Around the year 1900 or shortly after, cynics began to dismiss the idea of the aether. Then a little while later, Heaviside truncated and reformulated Maxwell’s original equations completely eliminating the magnetic vector potential and scalar potential. This was the travesty beyond imagination that crippled humanity’s path to the stars. To get an idea of what his self-confessed, quoted “murder” of the magnetic vector potential and “elimination” of the scalar potential did, imagine a raging, powerful river the top few inches of has been frozen over by an arctic blast. The currents, pressures, and movements of the flowing water beneath the icy layer above are the dynamic, momentum carrying “potentials” that Heaviside eliminated. All that’s left to be seen is the frozen, stationary surface which roughly represents the magnetic and electric fields in this analogy. Sadly, this leaves humanity with only a tiny sub-set of physical reality to engineer.

Multiple witnesses have come forward revealing that in top secret “special access projects” exotic craft with “reactionless” propulsion systems (meaning they don’t burn rocket or jet fuels to push matter backwards to get an equal and opposite Newtonian push forward) have been built and successfully flown. A detailed description of one possible such craft, referred to as the Fluxliner ARV (Alien Reproduction Vehicle), is available in multiple documentaries available with a quick internet search — see one source here: The witness who allegedly saw the craft and worked with a trusted colleague to produce detailed diagrams has provided a plethora of information.

Basically, in accordance with the results of various private experimenters and theoreticians, the Fluxliner ARV manipulated the aether occupying its external environment via extremely intense electric fields. Their specific orientations producing an asymmetrical gradient in the density of the aether, a propulsive force was produced that could allow for faster than light travel. Once the propulsion system was activated with the output of two deep cycle lead acid batteries, the energy of the vacuum itself sustained the craft. This propulsion system not only allowed faster than light travel but an elimination of inertial forces that would harm occupants and a deflector barrier to prevent catastrophic strikes from interstellar dust: all the primary systems of Star Trek’s Star Ship Enterprise simplified and combined!

Long time readers E-Cat World, who have followed the saga of Andrea Rossi’s technology, might recognize the probable involvement of these “potentials” and the aether in the Energy Catalyzer. To explain the connection, I must go back to the work of another amazingly intuitive inventor named Kenneth Shoulders.

Often described as the father of microelectronics for his pioneering work in chip making technologies during the earlier portion of his career, he labored for decades in the later years of his life investigating anomalous yet ubiquitous objects called Exotic Vacuum Objects. He discovered that when you apply a sufficiently quick high voltage pulse across the gap between a sharpened cathode and an anode, what appears to be a dense self-organized ball or torus of electrons appear.

Somehow defying the repulsive force between their like electrical charges, they hold together in an organized pattern. These structures of intense charge density – also called charge clusters or electron clusters — confined in such a tiny region (often around one micrometer in diameter although capable of growing far larger) have the capability of doing all sorts of nearly unimaginable things. The ability to accelerate heavy positive ions to a fraction of the speed of light with nearly no energy cost, bore tunnels through solid materials in a process that de-molecularizes matter, induce nuclear reactions by multiple mechanisms, produce powerful beams of magnetic vector potential, seemingly fade in and out of existence: these critters are as strange as they are potentially useful.

Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat devices likely have used EVOs, in one flavor or another since there are multiple types, as catalysts to induce nuclear reactions. To fully explain the connections between EVOs and LENR would require another essay, but suffice it to say that once understood the links are obvious. What’s most interesting is to consider the processes by which the E-Cat QX is likely extracting energy from the vacuum: drawing from the scalar and vector potentials that aren’t supposed to exist according to the officialdom of science. In reality, Andrea Rossi is re-inventing a wheel that’s closely related to technologies the Working Group de-engineered from extraterrestrial craft long ago.

When Kenneth Shoulders first submitted patent applications, the government attempted to classify his work – nullifying years of laboratory time, theoretical work by his close colleague Harold Puthoff, and a significant monetary investment by his financial benefactor. He managed to rescue his technology from being suppressed by the military-industrial complex only be producing and distributing a book titled, “EV – A Tale of Discovery.” to several of his closest friends, associates, and colleagues.

After refusing to disclose to whom he sent the detailed step by step description of his work up to that point, the government relented and dropped their effort to classify his patent applications. There are many reasons why they may have desired to impose such a classification. Over-unity energy production via generation of linearly directed longitudinal waves (magnetic vector potential) that due to a lack of a hydrodynamic swirling component “curl” (a contaminating magnetic field component) do not produce the back EMF Lenz Law demands, induction of nuclear reactions with ordinary stable materials for very low input energies, the capability in some configurations to produce powerful electromagnetic pulses, the ability to produce all sorts of anomalous effects in materials: these all may or may not have been involved in their decision to try and bury his years of labor.

But another possibility instantly comes to mind. Kenneth Shoulders supposed that an individual EVO – an tightly confined organized pattern of electrons with perhaps heavier ions at their core – would experience acceleration when its overall shape was distorted. To conceptualize this idea, imagine a symmetrical, roughly round ball of rotating electrons with a vortex going down the middle. If through external manipulation one side of this torodial system became skinnier while the other became fatter (perhaps becoming more like an asymmetrical tear drop) a gradient in the density of the aether would be a result. According to many modern theorists who have analyzed the connections between classical electrodynamics and hydrodynamics, this would produce an imbalance of force producing motion.

The glowing and seemingly electric aura around the UFO video released by the AATIP seems to indicate it was surrounded by a powerful electric field – perhaps creating a gradient in the aether around itself to manipulate gravity, mass, and inertia (which are all really different manifestations of potentials that Heaviside eliminated from Maxwell’s equations) to perform the beyond zippy accelerations recorded by the Navy pilots interviewed by the New York Times. Now the connection becomes clear and leads to a number of questions.

What if yet another reason Kenneth Shoulder’s work was attempted to be classified is that the basic propulsion mechanism of his electron clusters (EVOs) and the extraterrestrial craft visiting our planet are identical? (Including the craft built by the Working Group?)

What if a comprehensive study of Kenneth Shoulder’s electron clusters (EVOs) by a broader range of laboratories would reveal the existence and primary importance of Maxwell’s electromagnetic potentials (the true motive force below the surface of the frozen over river) to the world?

What if the consequence of this knowledge being openly accepted as scientific fact – no longer only discussed by a select few – would be a chilling yet infuriating wake up call that craft with the properties attributed to UFOs could have been built with decades old technology?

The potential answers to the above three questions are probably of high importance to the Working Group; yet, whether or not they were involved, directly or indirectly, with the attempted suppression of his work is unknown.

My hope is the future videos, photographs, and witness interviews the remnants of the AATIP may provide won’t turn this de-funded project into a patsy for the Working Group. When people look towards the AATIP standing next to a monitor showing footage of a flying disc that had been classified for a few years, they need to notice the crashed discs, alien bodies, and recovery teams in the landscape behind them, extending all the way back to 1947. Although the precise activities, motives, and agenda of the AATIP is not fully understood (there’s always a chance that someone from the Working Group has been interfacing with them), in the worst case they are likely luminous beings of light compared to the dark entities that preceeded them.

If we are extremely lucky, individuals who were associated with the AATIP may continue to work together, even if in an unofficial manner, to expose the full and uncensored history of the Working Group. Then, if we are extremely fortunate, one day soon the Roswell UFO could be displayed for all to see on the White House lawn. Only then can we travel to the stars and properly introduce the human species to our countless, infinitely varied, and likely very interesting neighbors.

Hank Mills

  • Brokeeper

    Is there any known mathematical model or physics theory that can explain maneuvers of right or acute angles at lightening speeds without destroying objects let alone living tissue in this universe?

    • Pekka Janhunen

      See for how much acceleration various things can withstand. For example, electronics built inside artillery shells is rated at 15500g and maximum acceleration a human has survived in a rocket sled was 46g (don’t try that at home). Smaller animals would manage better.

      One thing to keep in mind is that an acceleration such as 30g already looks dramatic to the viewer if the object is e.g. 10m in size. If starting from a standstill, after 2 seconds it’s already 600m away and looks small as a fingernail from an arm length distance.

      • Brokeeper

        That may be true but to over come inertia at right or acute angles at lightening speeds on a point with no turning within air or space medium (reported many times) is impossible to overcome and perform. Why would any being want to do so? I don’t believe Star Trek inertia dampers will ever be possible especially at those parameters.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Maybe no biological being inside.

          • Brokeeper

            Maybe. 🙂

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Anyway, your question is good: why would anyone/anything want to do so. I don’t know. Many insects such as bees fly rather erratically too. I don’t know why. Maybe just because they can.

        • Omega Z

          ->” I don’t believe Star Trek inertia dampers will ever be possible especially at those parameters.”

          Inertia dampers will be employed to smooth the ride. The think outside the box on extreme navigational turns may be similar to warp drive. Space warps around you as you sit mostly motionless.

    • It is not lightning speed, it is standard transonic speeds and there was a conventional military aircraft that could turn at a right angle due to Vectoring In Forward Flight (VIFFing)… The plane is the AV8b Harrier.

      • Brokeeper

        Just a euphemism to compare current technological capabilities verses observable UFO sighting accelerations and speeds not yet closely achieve. AV8b’s are amazing state-of-the-art aircraft, however nowhere comparable to those witnessed and recorded UFO parameters.

        • AV8B’s are being offloaded due to their aging airframes. They aren’t state-of-the-art, they are OLD dog technology. All of the speeds observed in UFO sightings can be aligned with current technology. These are simply military experiments.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The vector and scalar potentials are alive and well since the entire quantum theory is formulated in terms of them. Gauge boson fields in quantum field theories are just vector and scalar potentials, just slightly generalised versions in cases where the bosons have nonzero mass.

    Before believing that some secret governmental organisation has possessed overwhelming technology for decades, ask yourself why such technology has not been seen in the battlefield or been commercialised by military contractors. All the wars fought were too easy? All the companies were already too profitable? No politician thought that voters would like to hear that their lives would be improved?

    • Ted-Z

      They keep it secret for the potential use in WW3, perhaps.

      • Pekka Janhunen

        And they would benefit from WW3 how?

        • Ted-Z

          Just to survive. Surviving is a benefit.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            They seem to be surviving with the level of warring that has been going on.

          • Ted Rygas

            The other reason is to keep less advanced countries in the dark. The balance of the power could have changed with releasing the more advanced technologies. Careful analysis of some invents gives hints. For example the Chelyabinsk meteorite and the comments that Zhirinovsky made about Americans… Zhirinovsky tends to spill the beans, not for the first time.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    opinion about Miller’s experiments is the following. … Should the positive
    result be confirmed, then the special theory of relativity and with it the
    general theory of relativity, in its current form, would be invalid.
    Experimentum summus judex. Only the equivalence of inertia and gravitation
    would remain, however, they would have to lead to a significantly different

    — Albert Einstein,
    in a letter to Edwin E. Slosson, 8 July 1925 (from copy in Hebrew University
    Archive, Jerusalem.)

    Dayton Miller’s interferometer experiments in the 1920s that
    seem to have been more carefully done than the 1887 Michelson and Morley experiment
    suggested that there may indeed be a Maxwellian aether.

  • What crashed in1947 was not am ET aircraft
    It was standard experimental aircraft,where in the Allies picked up the advancements the Germans had made in wwII. 2 years later those advanced projects were being flown near US military bases.

    It makes absolutely zero sense that someone could master interstellar flight only to crash here

    The best book outlining these boundary layer control experiments was “Intercept UFO” by Renato Vesco.

  • Hank – let me say what other commenters have not yet said: that this is a brilliant summary of the many pieces of a very complicated, 70 year long jigsaw puzzle. As you say, the Working Group or its descendents still have most of the pieces but, just as we can guess what a given jigsaw puzzle will look like, despite not yet having all the pieces, so I believe you have “nailed it”.

    In all fairness, so, pretty much, have people like Bob Greenyer but I think your essay ties it all together very compellingly and begins what should build to a deafening roar of indignation that all we long-suffering “mushrooms” in the general public of all the countries in the world are finally and fully justified in chorusing.

    • Ted-Z

      This remainds me the Toroidal Power Unit generating electrical energy out of vacuum, most likely. There were strange gravitational effects with this device. The inventor was paid and the device disappeared … under the carpet. Old Youtube videos about Mark Stevens (from memory) are remaining, I hope. My friend said that Hank Mills is correct. Is the Working Group discussed on my main and the most reliable (to me) source of information, that is on Youtube? The Toroidal Power Unit would be better than the ecat.

      • Ted-Z

        The Youtube information is correct. …. After rejecting 99% of junk that is there. Hiding in plain view…. steganography…. very popular technique… very effective, too.

  • There have been at least 3 crashes of flying saucers. That is more in line with operating secret weapon programs than beings which would have to be at least a hundred thousand years ahead of us in technology. Apply Occham’s Razor, see which is more likely.

    Have you read Renato Vesco’s book? I’m certain you haven’t because you would stop putting forth foolish argumentation in the face of evidence of boundary layer control aircraft experiments that were started by Oscar Schrenk in the 1920’s.

  • Stephen

    MHD drives have fascinated me for years. Some 35 years ago whilst studying Astrophysics I was very interested in space plasma bow shocks especially and eventually wondered if ionized bow shocks in hypersonic vehicles could be detached from the vehicles and even manipulated to some advantage. I had some ideas how this could be done and my crude calculations seemed to indicate it was really possible. At the time I thought my ideas were maybe original. But many years later I found out similar concepts were around for decades even back in the 1950’s maybe even before.

    It would not surprise me if experimental vehicles were made at the time that took advantage of or tested this technology. The could have been reentry vehicles, balloons with MHD payloads instruments and payloads attaches to other aircraft, or even as some have speculated aircraft solely derived to take advantage of tbis technology. I think the dynamic behavior of strange shaped vehicles described by many could well be attributed MHD drives. They would not have to be people carrying but could be autonomous or drones.

    My impressions of this kind of MHD drive though is that It takes a powerful power source and very adaptive and reactive control to say have a wing surface with dynamic control of an MHD surface. I think it’s that control, materials and power technology that might have been missing in the 50’s but could well exist Now with the kind of computer power, electronics, high temperature materials etc we have now especially the ecat QX looks s perfect match to me and could even be enabling for this kind of technology.

    Strangely though the kinds of control and optical observations of so called UFO’s even back in the 1950s seem strangely consistent with what we might expect in MHD drive vehicles.

    For near space I like the idea of a ballet of momentum exchange between space vehicles between each other the moon and sub orbital vehicles. Perhaps using teathers or some other means of momentum exchange. The inertia’s and associated forced I think are too large for this to be practical for teathers with current materials but I wonder if e-cats QX enabled devices can be used along a teather to strengthen it when needed so this kind of application could be practical.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, it also gradually became clear to me that the properties of UFOs in the 1950’s seem strangely consistent, down to details, with what one might expect from a hypothetical advanced (perhaps LENR-powered) MHD drive. More specifically, I realised it when I read the internet book by McCampbell ( ) where he summarises the properties of UFOs from the old reports. Interestingly, McCampbell’s own interpretation was different, he thought it was some kind of antigravity. Antigravity was a popular science fiction topic in the 1950’s, maybe fuelled by Einstein’s efforts to find a unified theory for gravity and electromagnetism.

      To my knowledge, MHD flow manipulation (replacing flaps, reducing drag etc.) is still only at research stage, with some tests maybe or probably flown. Full MHD drive is still a distant dream (to my knowledge), mainly because it needs a lot of electric power and strong magnetic fields. Even direct electricity producing LENR (Rossi’s dream) might not be enough to implement it, one might also need room-temp superconductors.

      We can no longer study the UFOs of the 1950’s firsthand. But we can ask the question: did the distinctive themes of the UFO myth originate in the sky or can they be traced back to preceding science fiction, science or other mythology.

      Later I realised that physicist Jean-Pierre Petit had made a wonderful cartoon about the topic ( ).

      • Stephen

        Thanks Pekka, very interesting, I should read those links you mentioned. They sound intriguing.

        I do think that the E-Cat or something derived from it could be the best hope yet for this kind of MHD technology. But it’s something for the future I guess for now all my hopes are with the ECat QX for its initial uses.

        I must admit I’m also quite curious about the EVO’s what they are and what they mean. Especially if they turn out to be something that can be engineered and used. who knows what’s around the corner if these turn out to be something significant.

  • TomR

    If you have read all of Hank Mills article above and still have an open mind, please research Cory Goode and keep in mind what Hank Mills has written.

  • cashmemorz

    I am familiar with Greer.

    Greer says the aliens use dark matter pervading space to power their
    craft. So how is it that we dumb humans know that dark matter to be the
    ash from Randell Mills Suncell= hydrogen with its electron below ground
    state=hydrino=dark matter. The electrons are what make gravity as in the
    following video of a lecture introducing the physics as I have detailed
    so far:

    Details of gravity production, page 33-41/77:

    External Mass Reaction flying saucer(2016- ) incorporating the
    anti-gravity device and the hydrino-hydride plastics, in development by
    Randell Mills of Brilliant Light and Power

    patent for the device:

    This shows Greer does not know zilch about dark matter. He is assuming
    that dark matter won’t be known or understood for a long time and is
    betting on that to cash in by making up propaganda to support his
    fantasies and resulting power play to support his ego and nothing
    else=phony baloney

  • Vojtěch Sláma

    Hi GGluek. As a stargazer, nighttime walker and amateur astronomer, I had spent thousands hours under night sky here in Czech republic. I’m also doing planespotting, so I can recognize many man made objects, planes, fighters, drones, meteo baloons etc. But, one night, for cca 45seconds, there was exemplary flying saucer hanging without movement above our house, softly green glowing air around, then zipping up to space. In 1 second it was gone. Only a few friends belived me, but Im OK with that. I saw nothing unusual since then – it was once lifetime experience.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Did it produce any sound, air movement or smell? Did the glow brighten when it accelerated or remain the same?

    • artefact

      When I was younger, about 17, once I saw 4 balls of light floating in the sky at day time. It was day and there were some clouds arround. But the balls were not flowing with the wind and changing direction. They were also brighter then the clouds. As I allready had heard at that time about ball lightning I thought that they could be something like that. I also lived near the airport and knew how airplanes and helicopters would look like. And something else would not be allowed to fly in that area. They had no visible structure and I did and do not think they were something extra terrestial.
      I could not look away because I was afraid that they could vanish.

  • Black Swans weren’t thought to exist until European explorers visited Australia. Lack of evidence is not the same as evidence of lack. Also, you might have had misidentifications. Are you 100 percent certain that every object you mention above was correctly identified? If so, then youre exhibiting a type of “confirmation bias.” Science always works with degrees of certainty. Have you ever seen a Black Hole? Then, they don’t exist??

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