Rossi Hypothesizes E-Cat Producing Antimatter

On the Journal of Nuclear Physics recently Andrea Rossi has been discussing a hypothesis that the E-Cat is producing Antimatter. He has confirmed that the key point from Carl Oscar Gullstrom’s address at the Stockholm E-Cat QX presentation comes in the 26:40 to 27:10 part of the video here where Gullstrom’s slide states this:

Low Energy Virtual Particles Theory. I and Rossi are also making the hypothesis of the possibility that the temperatures of the plasma can reach the mass of a new/particle waves in fields that could annihilate without emitting high energy radiations because of the low energy.

In the interview Rossi conducted with the Energy 2.0 Society in early December, Rossi also talked about this at some length. He stated:

“I think it is possible, even if probably it is wrong, but it is possible starting from an intuition, that reading a book of physics as I try to keep me updated, reading a book of physics I met a phrase that has turned on a light. And the phrase was the focus on this fact that when a field reaches a temperature that is equal to the mass (you know that temperature can be linked to mass in physics), that is equal to the mass of a particle — an elementary particle — in that field such particles are generated. And if those particles are generated it is necessary that are generated anti-particles, and this makes things very interesting.

“Because since we start from particles that have a very low mass, because at 2600 Kelvin we have a mass between 1 electron volt- 1.4 electron volt. So we should have in this field, let us compare it to an ocean, we have crests of small waves and anti-waves that are resonances, they are not actually elementary particles, they are resonances in a field that disappear after, say 10 to the minus 23 seconds, they are not particles, they are resonances.

“But these resonances could through the annihilation between these virtual particles and anti-particles could produce energy that is not enough to generate strong ionizing radiations because they are not big waves, they are just small waves. And this could explain why we have heat in this measure that is not the measure of a full nuclear reaction, but we do not have strong radiations. And now I am asking to Gullstrom who is very strong in mathematics and theoretical aspects of physics to calculate if it is possible, and we are working on this. Working on this, we are considering all the spectra of possibilities beyond the experiment and beyond the what is the charge that is the only one with which I got results.”

More recently is this Q&A on the JONP:

December 28, 2017 at 3:37 AM
Dear Andrea Rossi:
I understand that the theory you are working on with Carl-Oscar Gullstrom could suppose the microproduction of antimatter when the temperature of the plasma reaches the mass of low energy virtual particles: am I on track?

Andrea Rossi
December 28, 2017 at 4:16 AM
That’s the hypothesis. My rational part says it is wrong, my instinct says to go on. I go on.
Warm Regards,

So Rossi emphasizes that this is a hypothesis only, and that they are still preparing experiments to formulate a theory.

  • Gerard McEk

    If you put enough energy (heat) in it to produce matter/antimatter and anhilation takes place that would give the same energy again, where does the surplus of energy come from?

    • Arthur Wendel

      The recent mention of “unknown radiation” made me think of the delta rays that disabled Capt. Pike.

  • Dr. Mike

    I don’t see anything in what Rossi said that explains how excess heat is generated. I guess we will have to wait until the “experiments” are run. It might be a good idea for someone to ask what experiments he plans on running to explore this theory.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    One needs some high energy quanta because one needs something that can absorb the energy released by a nuclear state change as quickly as it happens. In other words, one needs something that absorb the high instantaneous “power” that the nucleus produces when it undergoes a reaction. And those high-energy quanta must couple to low-energy chemical degrees of freedom so that they can release their energy gradually. I don’t think that the nucleus itself can be lured to releasing its energy slowly because there is no way it could store the energy temporarily. So one needs something else that can do the mediating trick.

    In other words, one needs something that couples to the MeV scale nuclear degrees of freedom, and at the same time couple with eV-scale chemical degrees of freedom.

    I have speculated that the object that fulfils these criteria might be plasma oscillations of an effectively massless fermion (electron pseudoparticle) population that for some reason exists in the material. Massless, because then the plasma frequency is in principle infinite so that the medium couples strongly to electromagnetic waves of all frequencies, including gammas.

    Such proposition is difficult, but other propositions seem impossible to me at the moment. There are no high-energy particles in the material, so the necessary coupler modes cannot be any material particles. So the only possibility, as far as I can see, are collective oscillations, such as plasmons i.e. plasma oscillations.

    Needless to say, one needs observational data of isotopes, i.e. data on which reactions actually happen. Then things would start to clear out.

  • Billy Jackson

    while i am no physicist or have any special knowledge. common sense says no to antimatter. it does not explain the energy situation as you would have HUGE bursts of energy and spikes in pressure from these miniature explosions as they consume the fuel. even if its happening on a microscopic scale, i would think the randomness of their creation/explosion would show up on any energy reading. If i understand right the energy release of antimatter explosions would release harmful radiation something that the e-cat has repeatedly claim it has not detected.

    • Horshu

      At least it’s little more feasible than tachyons, so I guess we should be thankful for that.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This line is very interesting.

    “And now I am asking to Gullstrom who is very strong in mathematics and theoretical aspects of physics to calculate if it is possible, and we are working on this. Working on this, we are considering all the spectra of possibilities beyond the experiment and beyond the what is the charge that is the only one with which I got results.”

    What is this charge; which is the only charge in what I must presume is a sequence of possible charges, with which Dottore Rossi got results?
    This sounds like the critical variable.

    “we are considering all the spectra of possibilities beyond the experiment and beyond the what is the charge that is the only one with which I got results.”

  • Rene

    That’s all nice speculation on his part. It sure would be great if he had experiments (with results shared) to back up those increasingly improbable claims.

  • When Rossi was student he has work on the relativity theory. What was exactly the object of his thesis?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It was about the relationship between Husserl’s phenomenological philosophy and Einstein’s general relativity. One could hardly choose a more demanding subject for a philosophical thesis. Unfortunately, the work has not been published – I think it might be an interesting read.

  • Gerard McEk

    If there is no change in isotopes and if no other material is found then what was already in the fuel, then you could be right.

  • Optimist

    So we have a nuclear level energy release but little or no radiation. Rossi obviously isn’t sure what is going on and thinks it might be antimatter. Mills on the other hand believes due to the lack of radiation that it must be chemical Hydrino based.

    But then we have Leif Holmlid that is not speculating but has repeaded, peer-reviewed and published results proving the formation of H(0) ultra dense hydrogen. If the formation of H(0) is followed by breakage of the bond, using for example a low energy laser, this results in a split of the proton and delivers mesons and energy. This has been proven with direct measure of muons that can either cause regular muon cold fusion or decay directly to electrons. In the process the proton mass is mostly lost with the applicable energy release and as the mesons are charged and fast moving, the energy can be harvested directly to electricity. Sounds familiar?

    Where Holmlid triggers the H(0) process on a flat and observable 2D surface, Rossi and Mills are burried in a 3D material providing no direct line of sigth on the process happening.

    So, if Holmlids results are accurate, the Holmlid decay of the proton would explain the large energy release without radiation in both the Rossi and Mills experiments.

    Then why are we not regarding this as the primary explanation for LENR and why are we not focusing on repeating Holmlid for further proof? It would sound strange if the three processes are totally unrelated.

    • The cold fusion research suffers by lack of replications even more than mainstream science

      Holmlid does hot fusion not cold fusion Muon formation is indicia of hot fusion.

      The lack of radiation during cold fusion is explained here:

      • Warthog

        I suspect Holmlid makes the statement to keep from being “tarred” with the nutcase brush. Certainly by comparison to “standard hot fusion” (i.e. magnetic confinement and laser-induced inertial confinement), Holmlid’s process is very low energy.

      • greggoble

        I believe the LENR reaction does have teensy tiny nano sized locations where temperature is as high as any hot fusion process. Also look to hot fusion processes of the low energy variety (Hora, Miley, and many others) for insight into the LENR NAE. Transmutation within biological systems (chicken egg) has been described as a uminiature molecular magnetic cyclotron, another ‘hot fusion’ term. Forsley of SPAWAR-GEC/JWK also is a hot fusion dude and their GeNie22 reactor (see UTube) utilizes radioactive elements in the LENR NAE.
        As I keep scratching my head over all of this… hot/cold fusion/fission aether/dark matter i.e. energy I am reminded that we find ourselves in an expaning universe… Perhaps shaped like a magnetic field in my dreams… I begin waxing poetic searching

  • LilyLover

    “My rational part says it is wrong, my instinct says to go on. I go on.”
    My rational part says it is wrong, my instinct says it’s definitely wrong. When they both agree, I like myself.
    I think Dr. Mills is closer with the theory of Hydrinos but Dear Dr. Andrea has mastered the controlled faster.
    If I were to misdirect someone on a wild goose-chase, I’d stick with plausibility of antimaterial explanation.
    Note that he did not say that “My rational part says it is wrong, my instinct says it is right. I trust my instincts.”
    Also note that, to “go on” means, do not worry about the theory, perfect the device with full force, theory can follow later.

    Happy Times.

  • There is connection of scalar waves, tachyons and dark matter to most lightweight form of antimatter. I consider dark matter formed mostly by scalar waves as a form of antimatter “missing” in our Universe and balancing the visible matter. In some LENR experiments magnetic monopoles, dependence on magnetic field and similar scalar wave artifacts were observed. But as far I know, Quark-X/ECat technology exhibited no indicia of them.

  • George N

    Sounds like Rossi leans towards Pilot Wave Theory / Bohmian Mechanics / Aether — recent studies conclude that this is possible if spacetime is a superfluid.

    • I did a presentation a few years ago related to the superfluid interpretation, from a Many Worlds perspective. Wouldn’t surprise me if this is what makes LENR tic.

  • Val K

    He would better had not said that, because it really revealed his ignorance. This hypothesis of his defies the second law of thermodynamics. Using energy to produce antiparticles, which, by annihilation, produce excess of energy? Lol!

  • MasterBlaster7

    Maybe Majorana fermions are being created? Just my 2-cent theory; haha.