Rossi: ‘We Have the Funds’ for Mass Production

Obviously with Andrea Rossi talking about mass production of the E-Cat QX using high tech ABB robotics, there are going to be steep costs involved, especially since he is starting from scratch. Here’s a question I put to Rossi today on this subject, along with his reply:

Frank Acland
January 14, 2018 at 4:14 PM
Dear Andrea,

If your goal is to produced thousands of E-Cat units during 2018, you are going to need substantial financial resources to do this. Do you already have the funds at your disposal to accomplish this, or will you need further investments?

Andrea Rossi
January 14, 2018 at 4:23 PM
Frank Acland:
We have the funds.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

This is remarkable, if true. To me, it means that whoever the new partner is, they must be fully convinced about the value of E-Cat technology to have the confidence to back him to begin mass production. The partner must be large enough to commit what I would expect to be millions of dollars to getting the factories built, robotics installed, employees hired and be ready to begin sales, distribution and support of E-Cat units.

  • fusionrudy

    Has anybody seen signs from ABB about a huge new investment? Have the shares reacted? Are they looking for new employees? What do they tell their shareholders?

    • Gerard McEk

      Good questions indeed, Rudy. I expect that the pre-investment of ABB, if they are the partner, will be in the automation (robots, central control) and maybe in the electrical part. The cost for that may be not that large in first instance. This year will be the proof that they will be able to produce complete clusters of QX’s. If their test comply with the pre determined properties, then the real investment will be initiated. I would assume that will happen in 2019. Maybe we should look in their prognosis for next year for these details.

    • causal observer

      (comment moved)

  • Buck

    Frank,

    assuming the truth of Andrea’s comments, including his involvement with ABB, it suggests strong engineering resources. Further, and as a reminder, ABB has a broad portfolio of products; look at their website under Products. Given the timing of their recent purchase of GE Industrial Solutions, it seems reasonable to suggest ABB may very well be the financial powerhouse behind the QuarkX. If you look at the Cash Flow statement from the most recent annual report (pg 147), you will see that ABB has in excess of $3.5B cash on hand with ongoing operations generating $3.8B annually.

    Link>> http://new.abb.com/news/detail/2117/abb-to-acquire-ge-industrial-solutions
    Link>> http://fortune.com/2017/09/25/ge-industrial-solutions-abb-sale/
    Link>> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-abb-ge-industrial-solutions/abb-buys-ge-business-for-2-6-billion-in-bet-it-can-boost-margins-idUSKCN1C00DW

    Link>> http://new.abb.com/docs/default-source/investor-center-docs/annual-report/annual-report-2016/abb-group-annual-report-2016-english.pdf

    • sam
      • Buck

        If they can get one to play the violin beautifully, then that would be truly remarkable.

    • Buck

      The comment about GE just above made me curious. This is from 12/7/2017, so some of you may already be aware of the following. I capitalized for emphasis.

      “GE to Cut 12,000 Jobs in Its Power Business” (Bloomberg)

      “General Electric Co. plans to cut 12,000 jobs in its power business as the company’s new leaders look to slash costs and stabilize the beleaguered manufacturer.

      The reductions, accounting for about 18 percent of GE Power’s workforce, include both professional and production employees, the company said Thursday in a statement.The world’s largest maker of gas turbines said the unit needs to become leaner AS CUSTOMERS TURN AWAY FROM FOSSIL FUEL-BASED ENERGY SOURCES.”

      Link>> https://www.bloomberg.com/n

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Another line from Antony Sutton’s (pre Rossi) book, Cold Fusion: The Secret Energy Revolution https://www.amazon.com/Cold-Fusion-Secret-Energy-Revolution/dp/1939438357

    “…Today we have the equivalent of financing stage coach
    research as the automobile enters production in 1900. DOE denies cold fusion
    research funds while funding coal, oil and atomic research…”

    So, they’re putting their money in the best place.

  • sam

    Pekka Janhunen
    January 12, 2018 at 1:21 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    Congratulations for achieving a prototype ready for industrialisation.
    Best regards, /pekka

    Andrea Rossi
    January 12, 2018 at 3:10 PM
    Pekka Janhunen:

    Thank you: we are working very hard in these days. I have every day well
    clear in my mind how many days are left of the 2018 to reach our goal.
    When I live through one hour during which I do not see a step forward
    that is worth one hour I get nervous.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Meanwhile Robert Godes of Brillouin Energy Stated on twitter they need 10 to 20 million to integrate their technology into products. I don’t know if that means products other than their boiler or not.

    • cashmemorz

      Brillouin has 4: 1 COP,which is at the low end of efficiency, but supposedly known theory of electron capture. Rossi has a minimum of 10:1 very stable COP up to his max ~22,000:1 and a personal theory only. Which would I invest in if I had loose money to play with? Since investment of any kind is always risky anyways, it seems that loose money is willing to go with the higher COP. A little higher risk, but a higher COP shows the way to go, given a choice. There is no one else in LENR that might be close to marketing their device to risk ones money. Haven’t seen what JET Energy of Mitchel Swartz is up to past their 2015 announcement of getting ready to commercialize. Their COP is also in the 10:1 area. Competition is getting very close otherwise. Brilliant Light and Power and their SUncell seems to be a tie with Ecat QX in terms of final engineering of their respective prototype at the current date. Each will have their own niche markets, but who will actually be first accepted by the media, academia, and the larger market?

      • Albert D. Kallal

        I think acceptance is the easy part. Brillouin seems to have stalled. In other words, they done a great job of validating their LENR works – but are “stuck” at a relative low COP. And this seems to be the stumbling block for most of the LENR players (a low COP).

        The market will take care of acceptance – but lacking a working commercial product, LENR will stay where it stands right now.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • LarryJ

    Rossi’s initial target market will be industrial concerns that need heat. For those that buy reactors and not just heat they will need to provide operators trained by Leonardo Corp. Rossi has stated that he has certification for his current reactor and apparently he had certification for the proof of concept 1 MW reactor used in the one year test but that was not a QX. He has stated that the service life of the QX core will be 1 year.

    • wizkid

      Rossi said he needs to certify the industrial unit AGAIN. Rossi “we have to certify a module and its assembly.”

      Andrea Rossi
      January 7, 2018 at 9:51 AM
      Tom Conover:
      We are not bound on a specific “core power” for the certification, we have to certify a module and its assembly systems.
      I hope we will have our first sprout from the robots within 2018 year ( attention: NOT 2018 years !!! )
      Thank you for your permanent attention to our work,
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

  • DocSiders

    Build a > 200 COP CLOSED LOOP DEMONSTRATION (I.e. QX’s driving a Sterling Engine that runs a generator that powers a visible load AND the QX’S). That demonstration could raise several HUNDRED $Billion (> $20 Million overnight). I would be “all in” with every investment $ I have.

    If QX’s have COP’s of only 20, that demo system would be easy to build with “off the shelf” parts in less than a month, and for less than $15,000 (plus whatever the QX reactor system cost is).

    Then with those unlimited resources, put a team of several hundred professional engineers and product developers to the task and a 2018 “roll out” date wound be 100,000 times more certain. Currently those odds are realistically about 1 in 100,000.

    • Observer

      Better to start small and build up capital through product sales. When raising investment capital is easier than selling product, product production is delayed. ROI on selling promises is much greater than ROI on selling product.

      • DocSiders

        If the QX works, it will be disruptive on a scale never seen before. It will touch and effect everything…EVERYTHING. It could and should unseat the (illegitimatly) powerful and spread freedom and wealth to ALL. This will be a hard fought battle against entrenched powers. A slow and guarded entry into the fray makes no sense in this instance. It’s a revolution.

        We are not talking about cautious expansion into existing markets with a “newish” product — where cautious business development would be prudent.

        Sales could be in the $Billions per week for decades…so best to raise enough capital fast enough IN ORDER TO RAMP UP PRODUCTION FAST ENOUGH to bludgeon your way into dominance.

        • Buck

          DocSiders, Andrea provided an affirmative perspective on your thoughts:

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Frank Acland
          January 15, 2018 at 3:47 PM

          Dear Andrea,

          Here’s a comment from E-Cat World today by DocSiders. What do you think of it?

          “If the QX works, it will be disruptive on a scale never seen before. It will touch and effect everything … EVERYTHING. It could and should unseat the (illegitimatly) powerful and spread freedom and wealth to ALL. This will be a hard fought battle against entrenched powers. A slow and guarded entry into the fray makes no sense in this instance. It’s a revolution.

          “We are not talking about cautious expansion into existing markets with a “newish” product — where cautious business development would be prudent.

          “Sales could be in the $Billions per week for decades…so best to raise enough capital fast enough IN ORDER TO RAMP UP PRODUCTION FAST ENOUGH to bludgeon your way into dominance.”

          Best regards,

          Frank Acland
          ________________________________________________

          Andrea Rossi
          January 15, 2018 at 5:52 PM

          Frank Acland:

          Thank you for the comment from EW.

          It has the dignity of an analysis. That’s what we are working for.

          Warm Regards

          A.R.

          • kenko1

            Maybe Rossi is trying to set it all up so that when the ‘Cats are introduced one can get one (or a million) delivered next day. Revolution over!

          • Buck

            It looks that way.

        • Vinney

          Facebook is valued at $500/billion dollars and it makes a mere $5.6 billion EBIT (2015).
          If people are willing to invest so much money into companies that produce very little, imagine how much investment should be due for Ecat manufacture and commercialisation.

        • Gerard McEk

          Big money can only be earned if the QX is proven to work. The way Andrea seems to be doing it is like: “the market will show that it works”. He has said this more than once….. But that takes time: Find a customer that wants to buy it, that customer must be willing to cooperate in the promotion and then, if that is sufficiently convincing, the sales may take-off. It could take years this way.
          It would have gone much more quickly if the November testing had been more convincing. I am sure that then many customers would be willing to spend millions in buying MW sized heat generators, when they are available.
          I have understood that the industrial QX unit will be tested and specified and I assume that it will be guaranteed that it fulfills its spec’s. Still I think I would not invest millions without a proper and convincing test…. Maybe I would buy a small one fist, see myself it works.

    • Dr. Mike

      It sure seems like a module demonstration of a controller operating 100 QX devices would be part of a marketing strategy sometime prior to beginning commercial sales unless Rossi has a partner that will use all of his production for an extended time period. Although I agree that having a staff of several hundred would improve the roll-out date, 2018 may now be possible even with a much larger staff. How long of a time period would you put into a schedule for in-house
      verification of reliability prior to delivering the first unit to a
      customer?

  • wannabe_lenr_chef

    Hey. Just had a thought. Didn’t Tesla say 369 was the KEY to the universe?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/360367db835ac3342858e59d1a9833b6c06e39b205bd8ddcd258ad27609b7ae3.jpg

    http://blog.world-mysteries.com/science/why-did-tesla-say-that-369-was-the-key-to-the-universe/

    Another interesting thought (I love math).
    What do you get when you divide nine by two?
    What do you get when you add up the individual digits of the result?
    Now take the answer (the result of nine divide by two). Divide that by two. Add up those digits. What is the result? Interesting?
    How far does this pattern repeat?

    Maybe you all know this, but it was cool to learn, for myself.
    What do think?

    On one more idea that popped into my head… if that pic was a clock, where would 3/6/9 show up? What number would be on top (the divine number?)??????????

    I’m not losing my mind, am I?

    • Jouni Tuomela

      9 times are interesting. 9 x 1=9, 9×2=18, (but 9×11=99, 9×111=999) other results (like 18, 1+8=9, 9×58=522, 5+2+2=9) sum up to 9. This was my own invention, when trying to remember 9:s times, walking home, at the age of 7! 🙂

      • Pekka Janhunen

        And the E-cat has 9 lives.

        • cashmemorz

          That is the inner secret. My cat just died though. What does that say in the bigger scheme of things?

    • kenko1

      Haven’t you read the Hitchhikers Guide to the Universe? The answer is 4. 😉

      • lkelemen

        42

  • LarryJ

    It is very unlikely that Rossi will be able to get certification for domestic use before 2020. He will need to show a good safety record in the industrial arena first to satisfy the certifiers that the device is safe for unattended use. But that does not mean that R&D will stop. The technological improvement will continue at an exponential pace so by the time it is approved it is conceivable that there would be combined heat and power units available for home use in addition to simple plug in space heaters.

    • Miles

      2020. Damn!! What’s a few more years when we’ve all been waiting 7+ years with this new fire.

      • Omega Z

        My opinion varies from LarryJ. Electric will likely continue to be supplied by a localized grid. Simpler and cheaper. Home units will be for heat. For a new technology, 7 years isn’t very long at all. Unless of course you’ve been aware of and waiting in the wings. I-phone took over 8 years and that was existing technology just waiting to be integrated into a single product.

  • Anon2012_2014

    I am (not withstanding the above announcement) waiting for some more substantive information about the Ecat-X production roadmap. “Have the Funds” with no hard time table is not informative. I fully expect Dr. Rossi to again move the goal posts and establish yet another far future delivery date. But, at least if he says that the factory will be delivering to the third party market ECAT-X products on a date certain, say Q3-2019, we know what to expect and can adjust accordingly. (I am not interested in internal deliveries or testing to non-disclosure customers as that has no effect on the world that I live in, kind of like an unobserved tree falling in the woods somewhere in Siberia.)

    Yes, I am aware of the forecast record of Dr. Rossi. But at least his new target expectation would be useful so that we observers can benchmark the newest roadmap timing; i.e. just as we benchmarked the roadmap for the Doral test. The successful achievement is a different issue. I still wish him good luck.

    • cashmemorz

      I sympathize. On the other hand, Rossi’s words relay the feeling for what a a ground breaking discovery has to go through, warts and all, to get to the point you are waiting for. Patience is a virtue. But if it is just a complicated sham then one also learns something about complicated shams and gets the wiser for the next such sham.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Actually, everything always centers on context.

      If Rossi makes or creates a working product, then by logic and default you have the funds you
      need.

      In other words, when/if Rossi creates and has a working product ready to be manufactured, then
      you by logic have the funds required.

      There not a company on the planet or investors that would not provide funds to Rossi – all he needs
      is a working reactor, and a design that is able to be manufactured.

      So I would certainly take this statement in a context that Rossi make well be implying.

      If you ask me do I have the funds for manufacturing a LENR reactor? My answer is yes, of course I
      do, but that presumption and answer is based on me having a working rector for
      sale.

      So in fact ANYONE with a good working LENR reactor has the funds for manufacturing – but this
      context is based on the assumption you have a working reactor.

      So in fact even if I do not have a working reactor, not raised funds, and you ask me do I have
      funds for manufacturing. Why of course I do – since if you have a working
      reactor, then you have a gazillion sources of funds available.

      However without a working reactor, then you don’t have the funds.

      One would need to ask Rossi does he have sufficient funds based on people having tested or seen a working
      reactor.

      In other words, one needs to limit the context of the question, else you get the answer Rossi gave.

      Anyone will fund you if you have a working reactor – the issue is do you have a reactor that
      works?

      If I asked GE, or ABB or anyone else, will you fund and help me manufacture a working LENR
      device, and the answer is of course we will. So no problem with funding manufacture,
      the REAL problem is do you have a device ready to manufacture.

      I am sure any industrial entity Rossi dealt with will fund manufacture, but that funding going to be
      based on having a practical working design that can be sold.

      So funding is moot and the wrong question.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Buck

        I appreciate the essence of your argument.

        As a point of interest, it can be used to evaluate Rossi’s statement of being funded. It points to the scenario where Rossi has presented to hypothetically ABB’s very capable engineers a functioning, testable, stable basic design. The result is as you say, ABB’s decision to fund the necessary engineering and construction of the manufacturing facility(ies).

        It all depends upon whether one judges that the QuarkX is real or not.

        Your suggestion that the funding question is the wrong question presupposes something like a fraud . . . a conclusion that simply doesn’t hold much water after all that has been said and done. IMHO.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Actually, I don’t think it suggests some kind of lie here at all.

          I can with the most ease state that I have funds available for manufacturing a product – that is a
          rather separate issue from is the actual product ready for manufacture.

          So I am not suggesting a fast one is being pulled here, but asking if funds are available for manufacturing
          in near all cases is going to result in a positive, or yes answer.

          The question is not funds, but how close the product is ready for manufacturing.

          Now to be fair, I do think that answering such a question without additional context is misleading,
          but precision in the question is near everything.

          I mean, I would certainly admit that such a answer suggests that some industrial company would most certainly interested in manufacturing the product, or helping with the funding. And I would certainly admit that such a answer suggest that such “interest” or commitments exist in this regards.
          However the simple issue of course is this “all” assumes that a working product will be created for such funding to occur. In other words, when the product is ready, then so will be the funding. However I would not by any logic accept that funding being available means the product is ready for manufacturing.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Vinney

    Industrial Heat tried to steal the IP and sell paper. They would have strung investors along long after Rossi passed away.
    I mean, Rossi thought he was engaging Cherokee and they switched to a shell company.
    Leonardo was dealing with a shell company with no intentions of paying neither the US$89 million due nor any court award regards damages.
    Look at the devious company structures created by Darden and co-conspirators.
    Darden believes he’s Christian, it must have been the resonance of some scripture to let Rossi loose.
    I am grateful Rossi took such a brave stand, and won.
    He sure has balls.

    • frank

      So – pulling IH over the table with a fake customer and a fake company that did not produce any single piece of goods with his 24/7/365 1 MW of 100° steam a year long is a brave stand…? You should be fair and look to both sides of the curtain…

  • LarryJ

    The alternate opinion is that IH wanted to control the IP and sell investments. They had no interest in putting up the money to develop the tech. They were money men, not industrialists. Rossi took them to court for breach of contract and forced them to relinquish everything they took and refused to pay for, despite a successful 1 year test as determined by the ERV under the terms of the contract between them. They even relinquished the 1MW reactor which they built and owned. Rossi got back full control of his IP and got IH out of his life which is why we are now starting to see things happening again after a 4 year delay engineered by IH.

    As to whether his QX reactor works or doesn’t your speculation that the product (which it isn’t yet) doesn’t work is purely speculation. Nobody in the public knows for sure and that is exactly what Rossi wants. He would be a fool to provide absolute proof that he has a working reactor before he has product ready to sell. You can be sure though that his backers have seen all the proof they need under nda.

  • Rene

    That’s plenty for a high recharge 40-50 gallon water heater. Also good for heating an 8-person hot tub and keeping at temperature while people are using it. Five of those would replace my hydronic heater. So, this new product is not that different that different than the original domestic heater he offered in 2011. If it works at all, and if it works as reliably as existing water heaters or hydronic heat boilers. Nothing is monumental until it is real.

    • Vinney

      By adopting a 4kw module, the industrial plant will be certifying the standard 4kw domestic module, with millions of units running 24/7 without incident.
      This man is in a hurry.

  • Robyn Wyrick

    Just saw this post: NASA, Partners Discuss Power for Future Space Exploration – https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-partners-discuss-power-for-future-space-exploration. Thought I would share.

  • Vinney

    Actually he is way ahead of us, Rossi would gain very little ‘wisdom’ and even less product design tips from here.
    Whilst we were thinking ‘tiny’ QX modules, he has bundled 100 together, and these are the small dimples on the ceramic plate or cylinder that will be the heating element.
    These 4KW modules will be a marvel of manufacturing engineering, using processes used in making tiny electronic components.
    These 4kw modules are fitted (keyed) by some robotic arm.
    This 1MW heating element is getting smaller, less complex and thus easier to manufacture.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    January 17, 2018 at 10:18 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    1. From your recent comments, it seems that your large E-Cat QX plants will be made up of smaller “sections” of approximately 4kW — is this correct?
    2. Will each section be driven by one control sytem?
    3. Does this mean that one section could one day be used independently as a small domestic heating unit?
    4. Is there any limit to the number of sections that could be combined to make a heater of any rating (e.g. 1MW, 10MW, etc.)?

    Thank you,

    Frank Acland

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    January 17, 2018 at 10:23 AM
    Frank Acland:
    1- yes
    2- yes
    3- yes
    4- no
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland January 18, 2018 at 8:14 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    About the prototype that you have made:
    1. So far is it a single QX reactor with a controller
    OR
    2. Is it multiple QX reactors connected to a single controller. If so, how many QXs?
    Thank you very much, Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi January 18, 2018 at 2:18 PM
    Frank Acland:
    1- no
    2- yes, 100 QX modules with one controller
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Val K

      Frank, can you ask Rossi what are the dimensions of the “prototype”?

      Is it just my impression that Rossi sometimes does not remember what he said. Just a few days ago in the other thread there was this:
      ***
      You recently announced that you now have a prototype ready for industrialization. Is this prototype the 1 MW reactor you plan to sell or is it a completed sub module that will be part of the assembly required for a 1 MW reactor.

      Thank You
      LarryJ

      Andrea Rossi
      January 15, 2018 at 7:33 AM
      LarryJ:
      It is a complete module like the one of the Stockholm presentation.

  • Buck

    Rossi has just shared a material bit of information about the quality of his engineering staff.

    I suggest it as being a significant nod towards the inclusion of new very specialized BS/MS/PhD engineers capable of very effective miniaturization of the controller module and 100 QX “units/sections”. Further, it suggests now a second layer in the controller module schema: 1st layer for 100 QXs, 2nd layer for 250 4kW “units/sections”. I suspect that the 2nd layer controller module will be less than 10x the size of the 1st layer module, but I’m no engineer.

    As well, I don’t recall Rossi’s long term staff having these qualifications, if memory serves me. This suggests that his “partner” has access to these specialists. I have a bias towards ABB as this mysterious “partner” because of Rossi’s statement about their being involved with the robotization/automation of manufacturing.

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    Mats Heijkenskjold
    January 18, 2018 at 5:16 AM

    Dear Andrea,

    In your answer to Frank Acland you mentioned that each 4 kW unit or “section” has its own control system. A heater of 1MW therefore consists of around 250 smaller “sections” with their own seperate control systems.

    Is this correct?

    I am a Little bit puzzled of the number of controllers?

    Could you comment, please.

    Warm regards and thank you for your important work,

    Mats Heijkenskjold
    ____________________________________________________

    Andrea Rossi
    January 18, 2018 at 3:05 PM

    Mats Heijkenskjold:

    You are right, but the 250 circuitries will be contained in a single box much smaller that 250 x the box you saw in the Stockholm event at the
    IVA.

    Thank you for your attention,

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • causal observer

      The size of Rossi’s in-house engineering/product development team is an important variable in several of the speculations being conducted here, including:
      > nature of the partner relationship
      > time to market
      > QX reliability

      I wonder if he would disclose the size of his in-house engineering staff?

      I’m operating under the assumption that ABB is the only partner, because a) they are an announced partner b) they have everything Rossi needs and c) Rossi is a hands-on manager and has limited bandwidth for coordinating multiple partners.

      Thinking about the size of Rossi’s engineering staff: there was a lot of equipment at Doral. I don’t remember the number of months between contract with IH and start of test, however, even assuming Doral used an existing 1MW container, there was a lot of equipment to be assembled, plumbing and wiring, including in the customer area. I can imagine sub-contracts / contractors for some of the less IP intensive components, though they would need to be directed. All I recall seeing was photos of 2 or 3 folks working with Rossi. I can just barely imagine so few people accomplishing all that, although it doesn’t seem impossible. And I don’t recall any other clues about his staff size.

      Another thing that strikes me is that in 11 weeks he has gone from a rudimentary electronic design for the controller to a quite sophisticated upgrade. That effort involved knowledge transfer, CAD/CASE tools, and someone very skilled at that type of design. So yes, a new player, either on-board or at the partner. However, if his in-house team was quite small in November, I’d say it would be difficult to internally recruit and provision a person of that skill set and have them produce a design in that 11 week time frame.

      • causal observer

        Of course, the design might be fairly high level at this point. Stiil, I now routinely grant Rossi a good bit of credence in all his statements. Must have been the demo and updates since.

        • Buck

          I also give a good bit of credence to his statements due to both the recent demo and recent updates as well as the fact that he has been at this for a long long time showing a real list of improvements.

          I appreciate and highlight something you said above . . . the time to market. Without any real authority in this sort of matter, I believe that to take an entirely new form of energy source from prototype presented at the Stockholm demonstration to mass produce-able market product in the late 2018, early 2019 time frame requires sophisticated human resources and large financial resources. Especially when Rossi affirmed the strategy outlined here by DocSiders:

          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
          Frank Acland
          January 15, 2018 at 3:47 PM

          Dear Andrea,

          Here’s a comment from E-Cat World today by DocSiders. What do you think of it?

          “If the QX works, it will be disruptive on a scale never seen before. It will touch and effect everything … EVERYTHING. It could and should unseat the (illegitimatly) powerful and spread freedom and wealth to ALL. This will be a hard fought battle against entrenched powers. A slow and guarded entry into the fray makes no sense in this instance. It’s a revolution.

          “We are not talking about cautious expansion into existing markets with a “newish” product — where cautious business development would be prudent.

          “Sales could be in the $Billions per week for decades…so best to raise enough capital fast enough IN ORDER
          TO RAMP UP PRODUCTION FAST ENOUGH to bludgeon your way into dominance.”

          Best regards,

          Frank Acland
          ________________________________________________

          Andrea Rossi
          January 15, 2018 at 5:52 PM

          Frank Acland:

          Thank you for the comment from EW.

          It has the dignity of an analysis. That’s what we are working for.

          Warm Regards

          A.R.

          • Buck

            Note: the above copy of Rossi’s reply has been edited/deleted. Rossi shared more than he wanted, upon further reflection and likely some advice from those around him.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Consider the value of Rossi’s invention to ABB for a moment. Picture a future where . . .

      Robot workers are fueled once a year for pennies. Picture a world where the robots produce other robots tirelessly and those robots endowed with artificial intelligence, tirelessly labor to fulfill your will; whether it be a utopians agrarian dream or a dystopians military nightmare.

      Sweet dreams. If only humanity was more . . .

      • Buck

        I think it fair to say that ABB needs Rossi more than Rossi needs ABB. But, does ABB understand and is ABB willing to act on this understanding?

        If only humanity was more . . . self-enlightened.

  • LarryJ

    Leonardo and Industrial Heat did not announce their relationship until a 3rd party discovered the connection through their own research on the internet. Once it became obvious who the partner was Leonardo and IH finally issued a press release. Given the controversial nature of the technology there are very good reasons why any mainstream partner with substantial resources would want to remain under the radar until they had all their ducks in a row.

  • sam

    Mats Heijkenskjold
    January 18, 2018 at 5:16 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    In your answer to Frank Acland you mentioned that each 4 kW unit or “section” has its own control system. A heater of 1MW therefore consists of around 250 smaller “sections” with their own seperate control systems.
    Is this correct?
    I am a Little bit puzzled of the number of controllers?
    Could you comment, please.

    Warm regards and thank you for your important work,
    Mats Heijkenskjold

    Andrea Rossi
    January 18, 2018 at 3:05 PM
    Mats Heijkenskjold:
    You are right, but the 250 circuitries will be contained in a single box much smaller that 250 x the box you saw in the Stockholm event at the IVA.
    Thank you for your attention,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Vinney

      I think Rossi is starting to realize that he has soo much scope for development in the multiple QX module (recent 100 QX assembly) and improvements in the controller electronics and modular energy management system that he needn’t concern himself with the mechanics of rudimentary boilers and heaters.
      He may be subcontracting out the construction of several prototypes, and may release his product as a 100 module QX, with modular control equipment.
      In other words industry can customize Ecat QX for industrial applications from day one, plus he will demonstrate a number of reference designs and prototypes, which they can also license.
      As others have pointed out, he can then concentrate of protecting and further developing his IP, and further Ecat developments in the turbine and CHP uses.
      This leaves a lot of scope for individual company customization from day one.
      As I have also noted, he seems to have found a new sense of urgency in recent weeks.
      He must also feel his 100 QX module and control module is immune to immediate ‘reverse’ engineering both because of complexity, and developments in the pipeline.
      But, analysis of his Ecat QX module and controller, will enable researchers to reverse engineer the ‘low temperature’ Ecat, and discover LENR for themselves.
      But this was bound to happen within 12 months of launch anyway.

      • Vinney

        Plus, he wants to create millions of jobs like the introduction of the PC industry.
        Their is an abundance of creative capacity that is currently not utilized, and his Ecat QX will spurn hundreds of new industries this way.
        The established industries may be slow to adopt this technology, and market share and segments will be taken away from them by smaller innovative firms.

  • sam

    Buck
    January 18, 2018 at 4:37 PM
    Good Day Andrea

    Your recent comments suggest a modularization of the QXs into several larger standard configurations: 1 QX @ 40W = singlet, 100 QXs @ 4kW = unit, 250 units @ 1MW = ?, 25 ? @ 25MW = ??

    Have you and your engineering team come to an understanding that there are rational sizes for the E-Cat product line from the customer perspective, ie, the marketing perspective?

    Best regards to you and your growing team

    Buck

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    Andrea Rossi
    January 19, 2018 at 6:47 AM
    Buck:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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    Andrea Rossi
    January 19, 2018 at 6:46 AM
    The cluster of 100 QX is more complex.
    Thank you for the insight,
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    Italo R.
    January 19, 2018 at 3:07 AM
    Dear Dr. Rossi, I suppose that the 100 QXs inside the cluster are electrically connected in parallel. Is it right?
    Kind Regards,
    Italo R.

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    Andrea Rossi
    January 19, 2018 at 6:43 AM
    Italo R.,
    Correct
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Buck

      Hubert
      January 20, 2018 at 4:45 AM

      Dr Andrea Rossi,

      Can you foresee what will be the standard size of an industrial plant?

      Thanks if you can answer,

      Hubert

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      Andrea Rossi
      January 20, 2018 at 1:45 PM

      Hubert:

      1 MW.

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

    • Buck

      Gennady
      January 20, 2018 at 4:38 PM

      Dear Andrea,

      I know that I am repeating Toussaint Francois’s question, but do you have a design set for a new 1 MW e-cat QX standalone plant size (width, height, length, weight)?

      Regards,

      Gennady

      ——————————————————–

      Andrea Rossi
      January 20, 2018 at 5:45 PM

      Gennady:

      Yes, I have. But we will give the data only at the presentation of the product. What we still do not have is a definite design aesthetically speaking. All I can say, it will be surprisingly small.

      Warm Regards,

      A.R.

  • Omega Z

    ->”NI denied this very explicitly”

    Actually, NI confirmed consultations with Rossi. Several NI employees also provided detailed information for Rossi’s people to build out some of their electronics. Rossi also stated that he would not be using NI manufactured controls early on as it was much cheaper to build his own controls, but that NI “MAY” be involved in providing control product in the future for home products where mass production would make them cheaper.

    ->”I am virtually certain ABB is not working with Rossi.”

    If Rossi is buying Robots from ABB, I guarantee they are working closely with him. That’s the way their business works. Robots are much like Lego’s. You mix and match components to fit the needs and they are the experts on how those components work together. They can even simulate an entire production line and layout before “Their personnel ” install a single robot. As to whether they are partners with Rossi beyond that is unknown.

  • Omega Z

    NI specifically and publicly confirmed consultations with Rossi and the electronics that were available or could be custom built.. NI also donated hardware and software to the University of Bologna Italy to those exploring LENR at that time.

  • sam

    Gennady
    January 20, 2018 at 4:38 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    I know that I am repeating Toussaint Francois’s question, but do you
    have a design set for a new 1 MW e-cat QX standalone plant size (width,
    height, length, weight)?
    Regards,
    Gennady
    Andrea Rossi
    January 20, 2018 at 5:45 PM
    Gennady:

    Yes, I have. But we will give the data only at the presentation of the
    product. What we still do not have is a definite design aesthetically
    speaking. All I can say, it will be surprisingly small.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    Dewey

    January 20, 2018 at 4:59 AM

    Dr Andrea Rossi,

    Why the assembly of 250 control circuits is easier that the realization of one control box for a 4 kW unit?

    Cheers
    Dewey

    Andrea Rossi
    January 20, 2018 at 1:45 PM
    Dewey:
    Because it is easier to put in series and parallel modules whose structural problems have been resolved.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Patrick Ellul
    January 21, 2018 at 4:34 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    Some time ago you had mentioned that eventually Leonardo would become a publicly traded company. Is this still on the cards and what would need to happen beforehand?
    Regards
    Patrick

    Andrea Rossi
    January 22, 2018 at 9:09 AM
    Patrick Ellul:
    Yes, it will happen after the industrialization and the sales of the Ecat QX will have been started.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • LarryJ

    roseland

    That IH got swindlled by Rossi is NOT a FACT. It’s YOUR OPINION.

    Rossi sued IH for BREACH of CONTRACT , That is a FACT. They returned all their IP rights and licenses to the Ecat as a result of that lawsuit is a FACT. They gave Rossi the 1 MW test reactor they built and owned for the 1 year test. That is a FACT. The nuclear physicist agreed to by both parties to adjudicate the contract and act as the ERV declared the test a success. That is a FACT. Industrial Heat demanded no payment from Rossi as part of the settlement. That is a FACT.

    The Settlement agreement between Leonardo and IH
    https://animpossibleinvention.files.wordpress.com/2017/07/settlement-agreement.pdf

    The report of the Expert Responsible for Validation (ERV) as submitted to the court. Anyone caring to look at the COP column in the appendix will see a typical COP of 80 for the duration of the test,

    https://ecat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Expert-Responsible-for-Validation-Ing-Fabio-Penon-Nuclear-Engineer-for-1-MW-E-Cat.pdf

  • LarryJ

    Rossi got everything he wanted and needed. He got his IP back and he got IH out of his life. He would have been a fool to go for more. If he had won IH would surely have appealed or declared bankruptcy or who knows what and it would have dragged on for years. IH relinquished licenses that covered most of the world. If Rossi has the goods and I think he does, then those licenses would have been worth billions. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

    A little more time and we should know but the 1MW one year test was an unqualified success under the terms of the contract. I know there were all sorts of naysayers and that’s just human nature but I’m putting my money on the nuclear physicist who both parties agreed should be the judge. Phd scientists live and die by their reputation. Do you suppose Dr Penon might have double checked his numbers when he saw a COP of 80 day after day month after month or are you one of those that figure the good doctor was in on the swindle or that Rossi fooled another one. The lineup of experts Rossi fooled has become embarrassingly long lol.

    By the way, he may have settled for $0 but he got the 1MW reactor which IH built and owned and I’m betting it was worth a large chunk of change without even counting its huge research value to Rossi.