Gullström Critiques Charge Cluster Theory

The following comment was posted by Mats Lewan on this thread.

Here’s a comment I received from Carl-Oscar Gullström who is collaborating with Rossi on a theory for Rossi’s LENR effect.

I contacted him since I know how important it is to have the complete mathematical and theoretical picture as a basis when discussing hypotheses, and since I know that Gullström has an impressive intuitive and mathematical understanding of particle and nuclear physics.

He told me that he had watched the entire MFMP video above and that he found the observations interesting. Here are his comments:

“The problem with the CC theory and other beyond normal electromagnetic theories is that it lacks a link to the strong force.

The thing is that the strong force has always been beyond the EM by definition and in many aspects the beyond EM theories I’ve seen in LENR only reproduces features of the strong force.

What happens could be summarized in these short sentences: Interaction with the electron is done from the charge and magnetic moment which give rise to photon exchange interaction (EM). However the electron also has a mass, which implies that scalar interaction is possible and for electron-nucleon interaction this is carried by the scalar exchange particle sigma.

To come back to the CC cluster, the observations that MFMP showed in their recent videos are within what sigma_I=2 exchange theories would predict, while the EM based CC theories has a problem with the strong force phenomena i.e. the absence of gamma radiation. First the shielding that would be needed from a charge cluster is that only 1/10^10 gammas would escape. The electron density is not enough for this type of shielding. One can compare with lead where the electron density actually is somewhat the same, and a cm of lead only shields about 10^3-10^5 of gammas.

Even if the CC could shield gamma in an unknown super effective way they also have the problem with production of long-lived radioactive nuclides. Basically without any special rule on fusion except that the energy is there, stable nuclides would be dominant but also radioactive nuclides with half-life of seconds would be produced. These nuclides would be left after the CC has disappeared but decay and cause gamma radiation. For example 59-62Cu, 64Cu, 28Al, 8Li, 6Be would be created in a H-Li-Al-Ni environment and have detectable gamma radiation when decaying.

That the CC is a consequence and not a cause of LENR could be explained by the following for the observations from MFMP. The sigma_I=2 potential would create an attractive force not only for the nucleon that is included in the nucleon transfer reaction but also for nuclides in the surroundings. The potential would then create in inbound pressure and “loaded spring” forces between the nuclides.

A consequence of this is that diamonds could be created by the inbound pressure on the surface. Also the “loaded spring force” are left there for some time and could be used to create electricity for some time by the electric potential created by the extra force between the atoms. It also drags air into the metal and creates a negative pressure inside a closed reactor. An extra note concerning carbon is that is has an enhanced sigma potential since the force minimizes either four nucleons to be put together or four alpha clusters. The C12 isotope is made of three alpha clusters.

The CC clusters are created by the sigma-electron potential where the sigma, not a photon, holds the electrons in place. I can mention another place where CC phenomena created by LENR might have been found in nature. That is the hessdalen light—a strange light phenomena observed in Norway coming from dust that is rich in the metal scandium. Scandium is a metal that is easy to use for LENR purpose since is has both odd number electrons and nucleons.”

  • sam

    Eric Ashworth
    January 23, 2018 at 8:33 PM
    Dear Andrea, Kinetic energy etc. with regards LENRs. This explanations complex regarding neutrals and photons but I am giving it a go from my unacademic understanding of a mechanism and I hope it can help explain LENRs in some way. Tried to condense it as much as possible.

    We all know that kinetic energy is that which keeps a body in motion even when the force that moved it is removed but what is the mechanism that induces kinetic energy into an object?. My understanding is simply displacement of the internal structure of the object, brought about by an object travelling over a distance in a given time. One attribute that all structures contain is gravity being the binding force that maintains the structure over a given period of time with regards a change in environment. [The mechanical mechanism previously described contains an inner binding force that can be considered as an economy flow. This flow circulates as two helical trajectories produced upon contact of the two unequal oscillating masses of structured air that rotate in the same direction but do subsequently come into contact in the centripetal position of the mechanism. Thereby two vibrating helical trajectories of flow return back across the inner flow and combine within the inner oscillating mass of the inner structure. The two unequal masses, that create the helical trajectories upon contact, readjust becoming of the same dimensions and these also oscillate around a common axis as they exit the mechanism, only to return on a macro loop that surrounds the mechanism and that because of a vibrational frequency of the manufactured circuits they insulate the manufactured structured field by creating a push/pull force of neutrality (this frequency could be responsible for a valency value) prevents the mechanism from having an attractive force. This information is relevant to the explanation. To create any structure a binary activity has to exist either between two masses of size/volume dimensions, or multiples such, such as a proton or electron or two particles that constitute a structure of no mass (I refer to a photon). Hydrogen has a weak binding force between its proton and electron bond. The proton and electron rotate in the same direction and thereby maintain a necessary given distance within its atomic structure. The electron circumnavigates the proton by an oscillating activity that maintains separation by an undetectable neutral force. Every structure with mass has the potential to become neutral. In the LENR process, it could be that this distance between the proton and electron is increased creating a more distinct void/point of gravity to occur between these two masses. One comprised of particles of size/positivity and one of particles of volume/negativity. The proton being of size dimension could be drawn into a fissure of nickel by gravity created by an applied current. The created void/gravity value between each mass i.e. proton/electron, creates a structure comprised of an admixture of charges of size and charges taken from the two hosts. This manufactured structure is a neutral between two hosts/masses of opposite charges. The neutral, can be considered as one event horizon between two gravity masses, that contains an inner point of zero gravity and an outer environmental gravity value. The donated charges being within an event horizon that is a constructed neutral, are mobile charge potentials that over a distance in space and time continually alternate to become size positive, volume negative and intermediate neutral (this configuration I shall explain later). The hydrogen atom at this time does not exist as such. What exists is a size mass of a proton, volume mass of an electron and a neutral mass that rotates counter to that of the proton and electron, vibrates and pulsates because it is a neutral between two potentials. All current produces interregnums whether artificially induced or not. If the fissure suffers an interregnum of current, it loses a gravity value. A neutral is a structure of photons only, so when the proton is released from the fissure the neutral collapses due to a lack of necessary space releasing photons into its volume negative environment causing the negative cloud to expand because photons have no mass but do take up space (explanation later). The proton because of its release incurs velocity that displaces its gravity, inducing kinetic energy allowing the proton to penetrate the electron cloud and reacts by producing neutrals on its now 360degree event horizon. I suspect plasma is formed by the condensing of neutrals formed around a zero point of gravity within a negative environment. Neutrals are formed of photons, therefore when the neutrals are discharged from the manufactured plasma, the integral photons are released into the negative environment where they take up a degree of space. With regards the self sustain mode of a LENR, it could be that if a photon lodged itself within a fissure, it could in theory set up a pulse/vibration creating heat then cold due to the activity of the two neutrals within a restricted area, this could pull in a proton and propel out the proton to maintain a continuous reaction without the need of an applied current.
    Photons are massless. To have mass, I believe, you need a minimum of one proton and one electron. Photons are comprised of just two particles that in space and time alternate to become size positive, volume negative and neutral intermediate. They are closely associated to the pyramid being within the event horizon of a neutral. Photons could be visioned as such. Draw a triangle, cut off the apex, make it flat because of it being of a zero point of gravity. The base being an environmental gravity value. The sides of the triangle represent the tangential forces within the horizon. Only one of the sides should be considered because of particle activity. The volume negative particle descends on the outer slope of the wall towards the apex its tangential curve, at the same instant from the apex a size positive particle ascends on the inner side of the wall towards the base on an inner tangential curve. The volume and the size of each charge will adjust in accordance upon its position with that of the wall. Consequently at the midway point both charges are of the same dimension of neutrality and occupy two spaces, that equal that of half the area of that of the base of the pyramid,( being geometrically balanced) this causes an outward pressure of one particle and an inward pressure of the other particle (this activity occurs in the mechanism). The two particles are on helical trajectories of a structure with no mass (Mass is definitive, alternating charges are neither one thing or another). Because the two helical trajectories are both spinning around the same central axis of there pyramid, an illusion of shape is produced. Thereby the photon in time and space would alternate its shape between that of a stemless goblet and that of a pyramid. The goblet would appear when the two neutrals exist. The pyramid would exist when the two opposite charges exist out of there midway position. Thereby in time and space the photon would vibrate to maintain its two shapes. It could be said that the zero point of gravity and the environmental gravity value are connected by an intermediate gravity value being an event horizon. The two charges never lose contact because they represent the neutral value of a given space. Resistance of a structure to expand when subjected to an influx of positive and negative potentials of neutrals or photons constitutes as a measure of a containment of energy in degrees of measurable heat. When a charge is occupying a large area like on a circumferential dimension, a charge is active and free to move over its area of existence as a negative. When a charge is occupying a confined area like in a central position around a point of zero gravity, a charge is restrained in its movement within its area of existence as a positive. Thereby when a positive increases its velocity by entering a larger area and the negative decreases its velocity because of less space due to an uninvited guest, two displacements can register as a value of electrical energy, heat energy or light energy dependent upon the value of the attained neutral and that of resistance. This subject could be said to be endless but one thing is certain, LENR do occur and they occur by means of an induced process. Lets hope that one day this process will be explainable and comprehensive.
    Regards Eric Ashworth

    Andrea Rossi
    January 23, 2018 at 9:00 PM
    Eric Ashworth:
    Thank you for your insight,
    Warm Regards,

    • Rene

      “Thank you for your insight, Warm Regards”

      That is the classic polite Rossi FU statement. He is never going to discuss this sort of thing with anyone until after he’s secured his IP. He can’t actually do it lest he fall prey to someone claiming he used their ideas. Remember he is not following scientific research process, instead he’s following the inventor process trying to generate monopoly control aka patents. Though I have my opinions about that approach, I point out that anyone trying to converse with him in the sense of an academic conversation is not going to get far.

      • Vinney

        At least Rossi has provided a platform for ‘obscure’ LENR and Cold Fusion research over the last 8 years via the JONP.
        At times he has provided comment and enlightenment, but at the monent, you may have noticed he is the busiest person on the planet.
        Via the JONP these researchers got an audience of 1000’s more they would get from
        Plus, we can comment on the research here.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Charge Clusters are not a theory, they are reality. Do they cause, assist or a result of LENR? that is still to be determined – but transmutations occurred in Suhas Ralkars fuel and it emits strange radiation, which are charge clusters, I was told by Tom Claytor that several groups had observed same transmutations. LION reactor has very strong evidence of Charge Clusters, Hutchison’s samples have strong evidence of charge cluster witness marks and the transmutation is exactly the same as LENR.

    Other names are Plasmoids

    They are unpatentable.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      The main problem I have with CCs is the claim that they carry allegedly always a single negative charge, while one would expect that their charge equals the sum of all contained charges. Of all the entities you have mentioned (leaving Shoulders’ strange claims about muons and tauons out), only the hydride anion has a charge of -1, and that is expectable since it contains one positive and two negative charges. In contrast, electron Cooper pairs have a charge of -2, plasmoids are basically neutral, and electron vortices or superwaves carry a huge negative charge. So since all these entities do not even meet a basic requirement of CC theory, why should one call them “charge clusters” at all?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Shoulders did not concern himself with theory other than in vague matter of fact observations. He did, such and such, this led, with extreme reliability to clusters of charges and ions that had a range of properties and abilities that could be clearly established. Some of those properties were, production of electricity, light, heat, propulsion and transmutation.

        It is perfectly ok to not accept that they can do those things, but it does not mean that they don’t do them.

        I think when Shoulders referred to u and tau he was really just simplifying it in energy terms and gross property.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          There is no need to invent new names for things that are already known and (more or less) well defined, IMHO.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Because so many people have ‘discovered’ these things, they invariably give them new names.

            Charge Clusters is generic and immediately says something to a newcomer about what they are.

          • New names are usually a sympton of too much time in the armchair and not enough time at the lab bench.

          • Bob Greenyer

            In that rare interview with KS, IMPO he wasn’t giving these leptons new names, he was simplifying them in terms of the energy they contain. Energy can change its form so ultimately, does the distinction really matter.

  • Axil Axil

    I am sorry to reveal this complication which might result is a bit of confusion. There are numerous LENR mechanisms that produce the LENR effect. Among these many mechanisms that produce the required magnetic effects, one of them is charge clusters, another one is metallic hydrogen. I beleive that the Rossi effect is based on metallic hydogen and/or lithium. The detection of triangular based tracts reflects the hexagonal structure of the crystal structure of metallic hydrogen. Charge clusters have no crystal structure and would not leave a triangular footprint.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi Frank,

    It would be great to have a view from Carl on why in both LION and ECCO (overlayed CCD image in image), strange radiation is produced and how it can do what it seams to be able to do,

  • Gerard McEk

    Gullström has really a point saying that screening gamma’s requires a very high density of electrons. Now, do we know how dense CC’s are?
    At the same time detail measurements are required to determine what atomic reactions actually take place in order to determine the amount of gamma radiation that must be screened. It seems that the main search for the LENR theory should be focussed on why there are no gamma’s.
    In fact, there should be a solid and verified model that clearly shows all atomic changes that takes place and that is in line with all released radiation. For that you need to have a very repeatable LENR process.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Shoulders says they reach the density of a solid.

      And, whatever, they are claimed to screen radiation during internal transmutations, so saying it *can’t* do it is disingenuous, of course, only a few people have replicated Shoulders work.

      • Axil Axil

        As explained in my post above, I agree with your idea of a quark soup. There is energy sharing between the quark soup and the soliton. This is a one way energy flow from the quarks to the soliton. The soliton downshifts that gamma level energy using optical interference into light and heat during a delayed gradual release process.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Actually, this idea came as the only way to explain what I was seeing in ECCO foil and fuel and in Adamenko transmutation. Later, on our 3rd trip to India, I actually read something that was essentially saying the same thing in Adamenko’s book.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Looking at that video on Solitons, specifically the part where he creates a large vortex in water, I can imagine that the ‘hole’ in the water and the solitons in LION might have an INTENSE dissociative ability and a directionality to all forms of flux both local and released.

          • Axil Axil

            I am working on an idea inspired by the LION experiment involving quark Chirality. That wormhole may produce Chirality imbalance because the magnetism that makes up the wormhole is chiral imbalanced (polarized).



          • Bob Greenyer

            Keep thinking Axil – I have to say that the last video you shared supported my last thought experiment and I believe that my next presentation, the one I am building right now, will be the most valuable one I have ever done.

      • Stephen

        I think they would need a density around that of degenerate matter as found in white dwarf stars if the gamma absorption it due to the electron plasma frequency…even to abosorb low energy 100keV gamma . I’m not sure how dense it would need to be in order to absorb high energy gamma. On the other hand these charge cluster are not simple degenerate matter so I have no idea what kind of electron densities we are talking about here or if it’s appropriate to consider the electron plasma frequency of this cluster when considering gamma adsorbtii or if some other factor at this very local scales is also important. I know Pekka, Axil my self and others have previously discussed about plasma frequency in this way. I wonder what their thoughts are on adsorbing higher energy characteristic Gamma emissions are too. Would electron clusters be able to do this?

        • Bob Greenyer

          Like I say – people are STILL thinking in terms of two body particle collision data, when this is multi-body nuclear reorganisation with a focus on stability.

          • Stephen

            I’m not quite there with Charge clusters yet but am intrigued.

            I wonder if it is more fundamental than just a concentration of of ions and electrons?

            If something under lies the standard model and if its family of leptons and quarks are simply a geometric representation of local frame of reference energy in resonance. Perhaps if a charge cluster is really some kind of quark soup maybe it is actually more fundamental and is fundamentally energy that hasn’t yet found its resonance in a particular particles nature.

            It’s interesting to think particle accelerators use very powerful kinetic energies to put enough energy in one spot, that eventually disintegrates into a sea of particles.

            What is it about putting energy in one spot that does this…

            Could putting a lot of mass in the same spot in a charge cluster lead to similar effects?

            Obviously very speculative on my side though.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I think my next insight, for which I am building the presentation now, will clear up most things.

            Charge Cluster is a structure – and it is everywhere, and the smaller it is, the more stable.

          • Stephen

            I’m looking forward to it. It’s very Interesting to see where this analysis thoughts and ideas are all going.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I may be wrong, but right now, I think LENR is done – and a LOT more besides.

          • georgehants

            Bob, my bottle of Red is ready and waiting. 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            Looking after the kids. I should have the presentation by the weekend.

            Should allow people to visualise

            – how strange radiation tracks are made
            – What strange radiation is
            – how transmutation occurs
            – explain all the anomalies of ECCO and LION
            – how you can achieve FTL propulsion

            and MUCH more. What is more – there is physical evidence.

          • georgehants

            I am asking to much but if that “physical evidence” proves to have a non-physical origin then champagne will be in order.

          • suhas R

            LENR is caused by uncontrolled single frequency multiwave particle resonance resulting in charge controlled dance of a larger particle in the cluster of smaller charged sub nano particles which never stops like the Tandava by Lord Shiva

          • Bob Greenyer

            Close, thanks for giving access to your work last year, could not have had this insight without it.

  • LION

    Hi Max Nozin,
    what you say is correct, however I am all for encouraging a young mind like Carl-Oscar Gullstrum to use his gifts in the field of LENR. Most of us are quite OLD. I myself will in a few months be collecting my free Bus Pass and no more prescription charges at the Chemist.
    We need as many young and courageous scientists as possible to get involved with this field.

    • Max Nozin

      I get your point but how far are your ready to go accepting young scientists results? An energetic and highly skilled physicists armed with flawed toolset can be as efficient as a team if middle school kids working on a science project.
      I can imagine beautiful beads they would make out of charm quarks.
      Did lenr get anything else from mainstream (I mean particle physicists ) except telling why it can’t be it?

      • LION

        Hi Max Nozin,
        perhaps a strong desire to show them the error of their ways!!!??????

        We live in a strange universe bouncing between poles apart and never the twain shall meet,to balance, realisation, resolution and peace. Knowledge comes slowly often after much heated debate and experience. It is strange that sometimes our perceived opponents bring the best out of us.

  • Axil Axil

    A Link Between Wormholes and Quantum Entanglement

    We are dealing with a wormhole here that is emerging from this falaco soliton. It is likely that the wormhole is a connection between the soliton and the quarks in nearby matter. This wormhole makes the soliton and the quarks the same thing through entanglement. That means that the soliton and the quarks share energy and enable the soliton to shore that energy. When these entangled quarks reconfigure themselves, quarks send their excess binding energy to the soliton for storage so no gammas are required to stabilize the new quark configuration.

    The latest SEM of the LION reactor supports this conjecture because the “cannon” is producing transmutation in line with the wormhole. There is a nanowire of matter containing zirconium that looks like it has been expelled like toothpaste squeezed out of a tube from the cannon whose trajectory is in line with the wormhole arc that is emerging from the surface of the reactor.

  • Axil Axil

    Remembering back to the Lugano demo. There was an analysis of the 100 micron nickel ash particle that was pure Ni62 covered in lithium 6. It was resolved that that particle was impossible to form because it would have required its transmutation take place in a single shot. Most people then decided that this particle had to have been placed in the ash by Rossi.

    In the LION cannon we see the same mass transmutation occur in the zirconium rich nanowire. We would expect to see a uniform distribution of elements in the nanowire just like it had occurred in the Lugano ash particle.

    I suggest that MFMP using SEM look for a uniform distribution of elements in the ejected nanowire to confirm one shot formation. To action such an conformation, a series of high resolution slice inspections of element distribution of that nanowire should be attempted.

  • Axil Axil

    Baths and Quarks: Solitons explained

    • Gerard McEk

      Nice Axil.
      The Quark ‘threeunity’ belong together to form a stable particle. A Quark is just an element of energy that’s not stable without the others. The other two are needed to close the loop. If the loop is broken energy flows away, out of the vortex that formed the threeunity.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Very nice video, thanks for sharing Axil. Nice to see a few more ways to make these things.

      If LION can is as repeatable as it seams to be, then I stand by my statement that it is going to be one of the most important experiments.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I agree. It is important to get a more detailed description of the ‘electric output test’, though (for me so far the most interesting part if it is what is looks like).

        • Bob Greenyer

          This is not the only experiment where this has been observed. Look up Cold Electricity

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Ah, I see. The meaning of „cold“ in this context was not clear to me. However, an exact description of the setup and the observations would have been helpful. But I am sure that the MFMP will provide one, as usual.

          • Bob Greenyer

            My next presentation, will, I believe, be the most interesting I have ever done.

          • artefact

            .. or coherent electricity.

      • Axil Axil

        Remembering back to the Lugano demo, there was an analysis of the 100 micron nickel ash particle that was pure Ni62 covered in lithium 6. It was resolved that that particle was impossible to form because it would have required its transmutation take place in a single shot. Most people then decided that this particle had to have been placed in the ash by Rossi.

        In the LION cannon we see the same mass transmutation occur in the zirconium rich nanowire. We would expect to see a uniform distribution of elements in the nanowire just like it had occurred in the Lugano ash particle.

        I suggest that MFMP using SEM look for a uniform distribution of elements in the ejected nanowire to confirm one shot formation. To action such an confirmation, a series of high resolution slice inspections of element distribution of that nanowire should be attempted.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      Very interesting video.

      Why did he not mention Gluons? Does he reject QCD?

      “In theoretical physics, quantum chromodynamics (QCD) is the theory of the strong interaction between quarks and gluons, the fundamental particles that make up composite hadrons such as the proton, neutron and pion”

    • sam
  • Bob Greenyer

    You will see in my next presentation.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Axil Axil

    All particle have a property called handedness. The way particles behave depend on their handedness. Certain substances like graphite, mica, and diamond, in short, substances with a hexagonal crystal structure can delineate (act as a filter) handedness is particles. Particles can pass through or be reflected by these hexagonal based substances.

    for details see


    Polarized cherial electrons can produce a magnetic field that can be either left handed or right hanged. This is call the chiral magnetic effect.

    Matter wants to have a balanced mixture of left and right handed particles.

    This special type of magnetic field can affect this balance and this induced handedness imbalance can produce associate effects in matters.

    This thread talks about the special nature of the hexagon in LENR.

    The quarks in the proton must have a handedness balance, If the balance is affected by a polarized handedness magnetic field, the proton will decay.

  • Axil Axil

    In the falaco soliton, two currents of counter rotating particles produce a magnetic connection between them. This magnetic flux line is sometimes referred to as a wormhole. Each of these currents are polarized with regards to the handedness.of the particles that are generating the magnetic flux lines. When this wormhole passes through matter, it destabilizes it so that the matter decays.

    A half falaco soliton can form where the counter rotating particle currents combine into a single handedness current flow. This current flow produces a monopole wormhole that is polarized in terms of handedness. The strange radiation that this half soliton produced in the LION reactor and seen in on the ash surface of that reactor is the rabbit track that seems to hop along the surface of the reactor.

    The crystal structure of metallic hydrogen is hexagonal. This LENR enabling crystal structure might contribute to the production of polarized magnetic handedness in the magnetic flux lines that this material generates.

  • Bob Greenyer

    A pleasure – and thanks for your help and consideration of my efforts.

  • Axil Axil

    IMHO, the difference between a polariton soliton and a charged cluster is the circulation pattern of the particles in those two structures and the makeup and the nature of those particles.

    The polariton soliton is superconducting and is a Bose Condensate. The particles are bosons. The particles in the charges clusters are electrons and ions. There are different types of charge clusters based on their particle circulation patterns.

    If Ken Shoulders, the geru of charges cluster states that CC are superconducting, then those CCs are really solitons.

    Because the soliton is a bose condinsate means that it can perform star trek like miracles because of the quantum mechanical nature of its behavior on the macro level. Solitons produce heat via Hackings radiation and deminsed entanglement, for example. I think polariton solitons are great. Charge Clusters are not quantum mechanical and have limited miracle functionality.

    Solitons can create energy from matter, dissolve matter, protect matter with an indestructible shield, produce a tractor beam that moves matter at a distance, produce subatomic particles out of energy (cold electricity), and other things that Bob will show soon.

  • Axil Axil

    I predict that Bob will soon show us what he believes is an anti gravitational effect in the LENR experiment. Here is what I assume is happening.

    A force field confined to a collimated beam with clean borders is one of the principal characteristics of tractor and repulsor beams. Several theories that have predicted repulsive effects do not fall within the category of tractor and repulsor beams because of the absence of field collimation. For example, Robert L. Forward, Hughes Research Laboratories, Malibu, California, showed that general relativity theory allowed the generation of a very brief impulse of a gravity-like repulsive force along the axis of a helical torus containing accelerated condensed matter.[4][5] The mainstream scientific community has accepted Forward’s work. A variant of Burkhard Heim’s theory by Walter Dröscher, Institut für Grenzgebiete der Wissenschaft (IGW), Innsbruck, Austria, and Jocham Häuser, University of Applied Sciences and CLE GmbH, Salzgitter, Germany, predicted a repulsive force field of gravitophotons could be produced by a ring rotating above a very strong magnetic field.[6] Heim’s theory, and its variants, have been treated by the mainstream scientific community as fringe physics. But the works by Forward, Dröscher, and Häuser could not be considered as a form of repulsor or tractor beam because the predicted impulses and field effects were not confined to a well defined, collimated region.

    • LION

      Hi Axil,
      you are a Very SMART person.
      My experiments revealed an alternately polarised beam along its length. When I placed a compass above the experiment, even after the experiment had finished, and slowly increased its height the compass needle would move through 180 repeatedly. While the experiment was running the compass needle would spin. Therefore propulsive. I conducted these experiments more than 20 years ago. They were the days of revelation.
      Those days shall come again.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Sounds interesting. Did you check for charged particles?

    • gdaigle

      As always, interesting stuff Axil. The framework of Hauser and Dröscher extending Heim Theory (and similarly disproving the original Heim Theory) does suggest that fifth and sixth gravitational forces and their associated messenger particles might be produced in condensed matter under some conditions and in normal matter employing very special materials. Albeit not “anti-gravity” the resultant force (repulsive under some conditions, attractive under others) is extremely weak and would be experimentally challenging to verify.

      Obviously, verifying an observed local modification of gravity employing condensed matter or special materials would be of interest to Hauser and Dröscher. I am in frequent contact with Hauser and would be happy to convey any observations to him to see if he has any insights on connections to their framework.

  • sam

    Looks like A.R. does not agree with
    one of his competitors theory.

    January 28, 2018 at 6:00 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    What do you think of the “hydrinos” theory?

    Andrea Rossi
    January 28, 2018 at 10:01 AM
    “hydrinos” do not exist.
    Warm Regards,

  • sam

    February 10, 2018 at 7:51 AM
    Dear Andrea:
    Are you still working on the theoretical issues with Carl-Oscar Gullstrom?

    Andrea Rossi
    February 10, 2018 at 8:28 AM
    Yes, of course. We are preparing a series of experiments in Sweden.
    Warm Regards,

  • sam

    Gerard McEk
    February 25, 2018 at 10:33 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    I believe it was during the Stockholm test, you said that Gullström was preparing tests to check the theory. Did those tests take place and if so, did it confirm the theory?
    Thank you for answering our questions.
    Kind regards, Gerard

    Andrea Rossi
    February 25, 2018 at 2:33 PM
    Gerard McEk:
    Gullstrom and I are still working on this issue and preparing new tests.
    Warm Regards,

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