LION 2 Reactor Unboxed and Analyzed — Strange Electric Field Detected (Video)

Bob Greenyer has posted a new video of him unboxing a LION reactor. This was sent to Bob by the experimenter known on E-Cat World as LION who told Bob that the fueled tube had run for two days in self sustain mode before it melted down inside a Looking for Heat Model T testbed.

In this video (which is over 2 hours long), Bob shows the unboxing of the reactor and running various tests. Part of the broken reactor is stuck inside the model T, apparently melted and fused to the houseing. One very interesting phenomenon that Bob shows is that in when he puts his Electrosmog meter up against the hole which contains the broken reactor, an unusual voltage is detected (see around the 33 minute mark in the video) with the reactor not plugged in to anything.

The full video is below.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Frank — not sure. Could be re-radiation of ambient RF (from broadcast, cellphones, etc…) collected by the conductor component of the LION acting as an antenna/re-radiator. To feel confident that the source of the radiation is the LION, we need to do the test in a small faraday cage. The reactor is small so a faraday cage could be built in a small cardboard box covered in aluminum foil with conductive tape and with some means of recording the observation on the outside of the box. Looks interesting.

    • Rene

      Later on past the wow moment with the e-field meter, Bob finally realized the results he saw was a ‘bug’, as he called it. It was the particular spot on the table irrespective of LION detritus, likely RF coupling of the power supplies and cables to the table itself. I’m glad he caught that, and I hope he runs proper null tests next time. And yes, a faraday cage removes such issues handily.

      • Bob Greenyer

        No – that is a speculation on my part. That is LIVE science – I was over 130 V/m without the reactor anywhere on the table.

        Put the reactor on the floor and it is grounded.

        This needs more investigation and I have a hunch.

        • gdaigle

          The manual for the Electrosmog detector you used states that EC international and national field-strength limit values for the general public is 42 V/m when the detector is set at 950 Mhz, and 59 V/m when set at 1850 Mhz. So you were more than double that at your maximum reading.

          • Bob Greenyer

            At one point it was over 140V/m see in video

          • Anon2012_2014

            I thought the meter said it was in static electric field mode, i.e. like reading the vertical electric field outside on a fair weather day the typical field is around 120 V/m. Electrets are known to have frozen in place electric fields that could explain the observation, or it could be some other electric field between the ceiling of the lab and the table.

            Of note is that the table ground plane covered in what appears to be a plastic material. Not sure what the reactor was packed in (looks like styrofoam but I thought I heard on the video something about a standard “Looking for Heat” test setup which I assume would be a non-meltable insulator). If it was styrofoam, on plastic I would expect it to get an electric charge (and hence a field) by simple friction. Also note that it is winter at Bob’s lab so that the relative humidity of the heated air is likely close to zero so that static charges can build up on any insulator, as when one shuffles with plastic soled shoes on a wool or plastic carpet until one can draw a nice spark by touching any grounded piece of metal.

            In short, it is live science but there is more controlled science experimenting to do so we can be sure what the phenomena was that we were seeing. It may have a totally ordinary explanation.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Alumina Foam

            Table is Formica

            No out of ordinary field without reactor on table (will confirm in next live session)

            When placed on floor (grounded) field went away.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Formica on a metal frame?

            I am not an expert in frictional charge transfer, but could the alumina on formica have created a charge build up. How about your clothing — could it have charged the reactor with static electricity from rubbing against other plastic or wool?

            An idea on the table it to use a ground strap on you connected to the table and the meter’s ground. Electric fields are around in your home lab, but why right there. Is the field there if the reactor is removed?

            It would be interesting to me (i.e. good for LENR) if the LION had an electric field frozen into place as an electret. But maybe we are only looking at unrelated electric fields that have nothing to do with LION.

          • Anon2012_2014

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triboelectric_effect

            Suggest you get some aluminum foil and put the reactor + aluminum foam casing on top of it. Get an alligator clip lead to ground the foil to some ground near by. This is going to be a bit difficult because the clip will want to tear the aluminum foil — perhaps take a couple of thin coins to sandwich the foil between and put the alligator clip on the outside to spread the strain. Make sure that you are grounded when you manipulate the Electric field meter as well, i.e. put one hand on the aluminum foil ground plane.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Assuming it is not spurious electric fields around your lab bench…

            I think it is possible that some electric field got frozen into the molten quartz or other materials from when the LION was operating at the time it cooled down enough to solidify, holding the electret charges in place. As I still don’t know or understand the operating conditions of LION, I can’t yet speculate as to how that could have happened.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Rejecting for now this electrostatic field hypothesis because meter was in VLF mode. Likely VLF powerline hum that meter is detecting.

          • Anon2012_2014

            Note: We decided that the meter was measuring a VLF field, probably in the 50 Hz range, representing powerline hum. This moots the aluminum foil test.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Normally, these kinds of office desks are formica on Dense Chip board.

            Did not see field if reactor removed – but can do that in next live session.

          • Stephen

            I’m not sure if it has been asked yet but could you get hold of an independent alumina block that has not been “used”. And see if it has similar effects?

            If I remember correctly you still got a similar effect when putting meter near the detached piece of alumina brick. Is that correct?

            I wonder if Alan could send you an independent foot piece like that to check?

          • Bob Greenyer

            We can test that when I go to London.

    • Alan Smith

      ‘I also see as Bob manipulated the broken in half reactor little flecks of metallic colored materials that moved in a similar way as iron filings in a magnetic field.’

      Those could be fragments of Kanthal heater wire. The heater coil is wrapped around the Quartz liner that holds the fuel tube, so is normally ‘trapped’ between quartz liner and foamed alumina block.

  • georgehants

    Thanks Frank for covering this exciting area.
    I like many can not understand a word of much that is being said, but am really enjoying the possibility reported by Bob that a great discovery has been made and wait impatiently for conformation.
    Also thank again all you guys commenting as it helps bring it all into the daylight.
    Best wishes.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Not a discovery, a realisation.

      • Stephen

        Bob I hope you got a chance to rest. It important. I’ve worked around the clock a few days a few times in the past and if your not careful it catches up with you. Even a few hours between moments helps but proper rest is better.

        This whole thing is fascinating we are all curious but make sure you take time to rest too.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Going to bed now for a few hours – kids are asleep

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have done it all through my carreer.

          Got 90mins, feel much better

          • Stephen

            Yup even that helps. I’ve got by with 1/2 hour stretching and an hour sleep from time to time when I was younger. I’m pretty sure I couldn’t do that now I’m older though.

            Make sure you gets some good longer hours too and maybe some help from one of your MFMP colleagues. The days ahead look busy you have a tonne of energy compared to most of us for sure but it’s still good to pace it.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I had 9 hours straight the night before the live session.

            I am much Like Ken Shoulders, I get my best insights when in a state between awake and asleep, and I have to get up and write them down otherwise I loose them.

            Been a lot of that lately!

          • Stephen

            Not just Ken Shoulders, but many of the greatest most inspired thinkers have claimed the same thing.

            And they are right.

            I also appreciate that you are timely responding to post from all corners of the world. Huge respect for that.

            Looking forward to reading your other insights.

  • artefact

    I guess the part of the reactor that got stuck inside the model T will be even more interesting.
    Hope to see pictures of it soon .. or a follow up live stream 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good Idea, perhaps I will do a crack open tomorrow.

  • artefact

    What needs to happen to get the copper(?) into the quartz?

  • artefact

    Repost of Bobs beautiful pictures:

    LION 2, Macro Photoset

    https://goo.gl/24aB9K

  • sam
  • Engineer48

    So where is there any evidence of any heating activity inside the Lion 2 alumina fuel tube?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/902a2dd5eaec543e4c1479ad04a15aa98a886761672b36c1beb6699a3d9c7338.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b6a76d47c56271e72997352fdfaf56da70a4ad00ec37c47a68942077effb8b6f.jpg

    Big question is where did the +1,700C heating that melted the quartz tube and the Copper oxide come from if not from inside the fuel tube?

    Plus where is the temp data? Nothing for Lion 1. Nothing for Lion 2. Why does that not concern anybody?

    • Stephen

      I see your point.

      It would be very interesting to see if there are still diamonds on the nickel disks.

      Interestingly diamonds burn at around 750 deg C +- a few 10s degrees in an oxygen atmosphere I think. So would we expect them to persist in this reactor?

      We should bare in mind there may have been little or no oxygen inside the reactor though and even when breached the atmosphere may have been significantly reduced by the uptake of the oxygen in other materials such as the Cu O compounds. So may not have been enough oxygen to burn.

      But still would be interesting to check I think.

      Also nickel melts at 1445 degC but the nickel disks that had the diamonds them apear unmelted and remarkably undeformed.

      Copper also melts at 1085 deg C so it’s difficult to see how it would reach 1700+ deg C if the heating was generated from that wire.

      Curious and curiouser.

      It seems almost as if this reactor is something different than a glow stick for example… operating at lower temperatures but creating external melting effects consistent with much higher temperatures etc.

      If I’m not wrong this is consistent with Bobs recent train of thinking… so it’s very curious I think and important to correctly understand.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The active structures are nucleated in the core, they grow outside.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          How was that “extreme cold” measured?

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is there in the Glass Cu2O – it is totally amorphous – look at the SEMs I shared yesterday – this is splat cooling which is more than 1000ºC/s

          • Andreas Moraitis

            So you meant very fast cooling, not very low temperatures. BTW not all materials require fast cooling to become amorphous.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I will explain, this happened with Suhas Ralkar Metal rod also

        • artefact

          If the active donut shape has inside a connection to the ether, things could get hot to get in like in a black hole and the come out very cold as quarks or something. Then the out coming things bind together and create atoms that grow outside.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Getting MUCH warmer! Well done.

          • artefact

            Structures the grow from particles out of the vacuum?

          • Bob Greenyer

            hmmm – that is part of it kinda – keep thinking!

          • artefact

            Have to bring my kids to bed. Later 🙂

    • artefact

      The alumina tube itself looks deformed and not perfectly round any more.

    • roseland67

      48,

      Doesn’t concern many people when Rossi
      Provides little to no data, at least LION gets the same respect.

  • Bob Greenyer

    If this is a property of the Alumina – I believe it may be critical to the reactor working

    John Hutchison (with exact same transmutation data as LENR) always had a high static voltage (Tesla coil of VDG) about 15 feet from the active area, the process does NOT work without this. When I discussed this with Bob Higgins, he said that that would not actually lead to a very high V/cm. This is also the case here.

    This looks like wonderful serendipity.

  • artefact

    Me356 also needed a good grounding.

  • artefact

    At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fused_quartz for example I read: Softening point: ≈ 1665°C
    But I don’t know the specifications of the used quartz glass.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I did not correct myself, I was just saying things as I observed them. The structure was grounded on the floor. I need to test again, but the table did NOT have a field without the reactor on it.

    See my next post, you will see why I did the test.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Why was it thought that and E-Field test might be valuable on LION2 ?

    1. John Hutchison always had a static electric field, without it, no results.
    2. ‘Tractor Beam – Bending the rules’ video, odd things going on in LION 1 EDS analysis.
    3. The attached affect seen in the very first test of Basic NOVA magnetically separated ash.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6d2bdfd1fdb0d98c7cb56b73696c7a3aca004349b88c2ad08155f43a1ecdf40.gif

  • artefact

    From MFMP:

    LION 2 – 10pc fuel after run
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luHhsNDW-FA

  • artefact
  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – Unboxing raw HQ video at 1080p for study (7GB)

    https://goo.gl/2L7iyC

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      How does 3M adhere the diamond bits to the Ni discs?

      Epoxy?

      You should ask 3M and report back

      • Bob Greenyer

        There are at least 3 people I know readying for replication, including Alan Goldwater in the US.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Parkhomov observes similar (but smaller) damage patterns on ceramics to those indicated in LION 2, in reactors, some of which produced 100s of kW of excess heat.

    Parkhomov observes Strange Radiation tracks in some of his reactor ceramics.
    https://goo.gl/VzEK38 https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca2bb0f411706b83441f3d3ed3c3cb4e19b4407b443eb27381e09dcf97c33a65.jpg

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Looks like reactor core wiring.

      Please remove the core from inside the quartz tube, insert a white light tube and then photograph what the quartz tube shows.

      I suggest what you show here will be gone.

  • Bob Greenyer

    ‘O’ can make aluminium soft enough to be manipulated with fingers.

    Independent tests of John Hutchison’s aluminium samples shows transmutation to Nickel, Copper and Zinc – same kind of transmutations as observed in LENR. The Hutchison effect also enabled Alex Pezaro to pick up this piece while it was still jelly, even leaving a finger print in the soft but cooler than ambient metal. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/522fa60dc0679c380015f843b6f8947e1e81036a734c0c73b1b4debcb22faec9.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b4d5c7fcbd7772ac8b3a23dffaab94cb732858da4b35dbe7370c821aeb2f72ff.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/503f46ae5698d1eda4d84dc000649d2c3c23b976494190ccf5c9b8ab54a227b8.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/69b2d01dc33d247e8f7029b945748ad42f1d16244fb4c7e65d12966568848115.jpg

    • georgehants

      Waiting for knowledgeable comments on these pictures, assuming genuine then they seem to show an effect beyond all known science.

      • Bob Greenyer

        This is both real and natural, and it occurs readily in nature.

        • georgehants

          Yes I understand, but I mean in our everyday lives and science that we have known up to your “realisation”

        • Jonas Matuzas

          It sounds like spoon bending with mind controlled qi energy. Does experiment have to include mind?

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is intimately related. Well done.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Can you post data showing independent verification of this claim?

      Is the Al bar available for independent verification and is it still butter soft? If no longer butter soft, when and why did it alter from butter to hard Al?

      • David_Kaiser_39

        Hi Engineer48. Sorry, but I have to ask you this. Didn’t Bob came to your place and tried to collaborate with you and you showed him basically the door? I’m just asking, no hard feelings.

        • Engineer48

          Hi David,

          Where did you get that from?

          I live in Australia and Bob, who I believe lives in Eastern Europe, has never visited me.

          What does this have to do with me asking Bob if anybody ever independently verified the Al bar as soft as butter claim?

          • David_Kaiser_39

            Sorry, I got this all wrong then. Please forget what I said.

          • Bob Greenyer

            E48 likes to ask hard questions, not afraid of that.

          • Stephen

            Hard questions are good questions usually.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The active element drains away – it then re-sets hard. Been observed by several independent parties, I may write a blog post on it.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      If this effect is real, it might be an extreme form of hydrogen embrittlement – perhaps caused by ‚fractional hydrogen’.

      • Bob Greenyer

        No – Please re-visit my Copenhagen and Asti presentations and then read and internalise the words of Kenshoulders in the transcript I made on Steemit. Perhaps you will then ‘Get it’. I really want you guys to realise this too before I step by step it.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Sorry Bob, but this sounds like a rearguard action – especially since you have provided no proof for your opinion until now.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As you wish.

  • artefact

    Hello Pavlos. Try the “Mining diamonds with LION” video from 18:50 onwards. You see the setup and whats in the reactor.
    This was an experiment done by LION who is IMO very trustworthy. He is also on ECW and shared interesting radiation track photos in the past. The reactor seems to produce excess heat. Electricity generation is indicated and needs to be evaluated in future replications.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bob,

    You do understand your ElectroSmog ED88 meter detects AC E fields in the freq range 50Hz to 10kHz as attached:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2f51fa9b42fa3116e5f187f63847595a1aa383ff27179783aa6cee7be6d5969c.png

    Apparently it does not detect static E fields.

    Maybe ask yourself why the meter is detecting E fields that are time varying and think about the source of these LF AC E fields?

    Do you really think the alumina block and the Ni discs are generating a 50 Hz AC E field?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks!

      I don’t think anything E48 – I just did a live test, everything you know you witnessed in realtime. It is a datapoint that may be an artifact or a fact, it may have no bearing – being observant is key.

      The reason for doing the test stands – there was a very spurious electron ‘tractor beam’ effect in NOVA fuel and something similar in LION 1 analysis. Both of them I initially dismissed.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Point being your meter only measures AC E fields, with a range 50 Hz to 10 kHz.

        If the fuel dots or alumina was generating an AC E field, well you should be able to tap into it and draw off energy.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I get that.

        • Anon2012_2014

          Bob — if it is the EDT-88a Engineer48 is correct — only measures AC and calls that an “E-field”.

          I agree with Engineer48 — it is likely an ordinary run of the mill AC field from some AC lines under the table. If this is the case you should see similar on the same spot on the table with the reactor moved out of the range of the meter; or perhaps if you place a similar conductor on an insulator where the reactor use to be. I agree that this is likely an AC field artifact (AC hum is all over your lab no doubt — plus a typical ungrounded lead into the input of an audio amplifier and you will hear it and it will get louder when you touch an input with your body which acts as a larger antenna.

          I like his idea of putting the scope to it. You will almost certainly see 50 Hz AC from your power lines all over the lab and it will concentrate in certain areas depending on the configuration.

          This likely moots the idea of the aluminum foil ground plane test and gets rid of the need to test the entire unit in a faraday cage as chasing ordinary power line hum is just not worth it.

    • Axil Axil

      It should be possible to connect a oscilloscope to an antenna (small piece of copper positioned near the hole) to see what the frequency of this waveform is.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I think I can do that, just need to brush up on my scope skills, been 27 years since I used one.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Make a 1 inch, 25mm, dia loop of 10 turns of wire. Connect it between probe earth and active.

        Can then see E field freq and waveshape plus determine field direction.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bob,

    Did Lion share the 3M product number he used to gain the fuel discs?

    From my initial enquiries, 3M use an adhesive to adhere the diamonds to the discs. I doubt it would survive the 500-800C conditioning thermal cycling Lion says is required.

    If I knew the product number, I would obtain the specific product details so we don’t need to make guesstimates.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Will look into that – but I think it is Diapad – ‘Green’ as shown in presentation.

      He painstaking cleaned them off before baking, then, I expect, most of it baked off in oven leaving just residue.

    • Alan Smith

      The diamonds are not glued on. In simple terms the manufacturing process involves plating Ni onto Ni foil which has been sprinkled with diamond chips. The electro-plating obviously forms on the Ni substrate, building up sufficiently to retain the diamonds – rather like the kind of ‘rub-round’ mount used on costume jewellery. You can see these little plated ‘walls’ on the places where the diamonds have been eroded off the discs.
      These are the pads mentioned btw…subject to final confirmation.

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B000V47HLK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

  • Bob Greenyer

    No worries – I literally am having the time of my life intellectually.

    I seriously recommend you read, re-read and internalise the transcription I did of the only available interview with Ken Shoulders.

    https://steemit.com/dtube/@mfmp/nzssv2y3

    In addition, I recommend you internalise these two presentations, they are essentially pre-requisites to ‘O Day’

    https://youtu.be/lr7LtY3LmhQ

    https://youtu.be/NlCOFSbv6lQ

  • Bob Greenyer

    Having seen LION videos, John Hutchison sent these images today of a piece of aluminium with a lump of wood in it.

    “large aluminium block that wood sunk into, the wood appears powdery so I put glue into it after I cut the bar in half I might have pictures of this bar before I cut it. The metal oddly cuts easy, unlike ordinary aluminium so its structure might have changed, this was done in lab no.2 at kingways and 13 avenue with Alik and George Hathaway. I have a hours long black and white video of this time frame, the sample might be shown need to upload the hundreds of videos to youtube”

    Note the large and EXTREMELY LARGE ‘triangles’ as found in micro scales on LION 1 exterior. Where oh where can they be pointing… THINK.

    This sample is VERY REVEALING – look hard.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/369d4935a14c5652e2915f33334f85cd805a25e38a745f9a3a1576f18ce0b613.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c7afe826a46c8276736be549c8578a7a3e9723169d27343965fc9821b3c6e39b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5f119d23b8645ca358e1325cbe7ba5fbb8202d8ea0c1b1f7628e27abd83f79fc.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0497456280f351d1ba2b73ece8e3a32efb9d3b7b6437add7ef626de1759237bd.jpg

    • artefact

      pointing to where the evo entered the metal and exploded/split?

      • Bob Greenyer

        No. but you are thinking.

        • artefact

          .. down the rabit hole ..

          • Bob Greenyer

            down, up, sideways.

          • artefact

            Like a helical trajectory periodic track?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Keep thinking Artefact – you are getting warmer – look again at all the related images.

            I want people to KNOW that it is the truth when they see ‘O Day’ – you have have all had much more than I did weeks ago to go on now.

          • Stephen

            A rotating cause? Marking the hole but also the bow tie in other orientations?

        • Axil Axil

          This triangular shape that has been seen over many different examples of LENR activity might be produced by the magnetic flux tube which might have a triangular cross section.

          LeClair as also stated that this shape is produced by his water crystal.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is related to the flux tube, but where are they pointing!!!

          • Axil Axil

            These triangular holes are the tracks produced by the soliton as it moves across the surface of the substrate. As the soliton travels it rotates in space and in that movement the flux tube periodically impacts the surface of the substrate and disintegrates that surface , The track points in the direction of travel of the soliton.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No. Think again.

          • artefact

            to them self in a ring form?

      • Axil Axil

        IMHO, what John Hutchison is producing is a singular format of magnetic flux that destabilizes nucleons into a quark/gluon soup.

        I believe that this format comprized of chiral segregated photons, that is, photons with the same identical handedness.

        http://physics.unl.edu/~tgay/content/CPE.html

        http://physics.unl.edu/~tgay/images/hand.gif

        Metallic hydrogen is a material that produces the same type of magnetism and therefore generates the same effects on matter that the Hutchison effect does.

        • Bob Greenyer

          There is chirality involved, yes.

          • Axil Axil

            I would be interested in the reasons behind this belief at some point in your explanations.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Will come, juggling childcare with my other aspirations.

    • Stephen

      Hmm are the triangles on both sides not pointing to the hole itself but to the join between the hole and rough similarly sized silvered area next to it?

      If so is that that join on the edge between the two two apparent materials?

      • artefact

        It says “after I cut the bar in half”. It is a good match if you take into account the missing maybe 2 mm that got lost due to the saw.

        • Stephen

          Yes that’s a good point.

        • Stephen

          Yup you are right. I originally thought they were face to face pieces.

          Then got confused by the third image. Thinking it was from the bottom

          But now I realize that was from the side. And they are indeed face to face. It makes much more sence. And the cut could indeed account for any differences.

          • Bob Greenyer

            This one set of photos, that John sent me out of the blue today, verifies a major part of ‘O Day’ and proves again that Hutchison Effect is non-contact, in-air LENR (amongst many other things) since LION and NOVA have the exact same things in them.

          • Stephen

            Dispite my earlier error I do wonder if the triangles could be caused by an arc plane or flux tube rotating on it axis?

            It fascinating it occurs deep in the material.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You second sentence is VERY important. Go and listen again to my Copenhagen presentation, what am I saying – what is this image, received today telling you?

      • Bob Greenyer

        You are so close Stephen, I think another day and you will be there, very excited for you – the realisation when it comes is really profound.

        • Stephen

          It might take me a bit longer than that to get there. Still a lot more for me to understand, put together and review.

          But I’m enjoying this evidence walk through and trying to understand where it all leads.

          • Bob Greenyer

            If you don’t get it before ‘O Day’ you are absolutely going to kick yourself.

          • Stephen

            Haha. You know I have the itchy feeling you are right… it’s part of what’s driving my curiosity 😉

          • Bob Greenyer

            Right now Stephen, I really want you to get it, since you are working hard and thinking smart.

          • Stephen

            Don’t worry Bob. I may kick myself but I will be happy.

            I’m very busy the next days unfortunately, so may not be able to catch up but I will be following when I can.

  • Alan Smith

    3 old-style Model T reactors, back in production again. One for LION, one for MFMP USA, and one for me.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1ad4cddfc71d3e92f2488f6cbe0b688f828061044f20aa827c6be430d43bdedd.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      Wunderbar – a ROBOT (Czech word for worker) army – go go go Alan!

    • LION

      Hi ALAN,
      Thanks, wonderful News.

  • Axil Axil

    Alan Smith has developed a cookbook for LION fuel.

    Regarding step 2 from that formulation of the LION fuel preparation as follows:

    “2) Place discs in aluminum camping pan and bake exposed to ordinary atmosphere in household oven at 200C for one week.”

    What the surface of the diamond coat looks like before baking

    http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/image/ibeforetesting.gif

    What this procedure could generate is nanocavities in the surface of the diamond showing the Ryvita effect:

    http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/pt/diamond/image/iryvita.gif

    Damage Craters seen after baking. The surface of the films might exhibit morphology changes, from small indents to large craters. This pit generation process is similar to the spark processing done by Mizuno performed on nickel and palladium materials.

    It is inside these cavities were metallic hydrogen forms via Pauli Uncertainty Principle compression. The bonds of diamond are the strongest to be found in nature and are less likely to fail under the high pressure conditions that occur when metalizing hydrogen. These bonds are strong enough to hold hydrogen in compression for extended periods of time. The crystal structure of CVD diamond also is hexagonal thus providing an ideal template for the growth of metallic hydrogen inside these cavities.

    These cavities are produced through oxidation where carbon in the diamond surface is converted to Co and Co2 when eroded by oxigen. The time that this erosion process is allowed to continue impacts the dimensionality of the cavities. Baking for an overlong period would produce cavities that were too large, and a too short bake duration will produce cavities that are too small. This implies that an optimum baking time exists.

    Regarding step 3 in the LION fuel preparation as follows:

    “3) Before they can drop in temperature, drop hot discs through funnel into 100ml bottle of room temperature 99.8% purity deuterium oxide and allow them to soak for unknown duration.”

    This step allows the hydrogen to find its way into the diamond cavities. The duration of this step should not be critical to the metallic hydrogen formation process but according to Holmlid this timeframe may require weeks of exposure. The metallic hydrogen is contained inside these cavities and will gradually escape over time. These disks will provide the means to transport the metallic hydrogen into the reactor.

    The purity of the deuterium oxide is critical because the formation of metallic hydrogen inside the microcavities on the surface of the diamond is destroyed by any isotopic impurity in the isotopes of hydrogen.

    In summary, there is an ideal baking time for the diamond coated disks. The soaking time is not that critical but an overlong period may begin to destroy the cavities on the surface of the diamond. Once the reactor begins operation, the diamond will deteriorate as the LENR reactor increases in activity leaving the nickel substrate.

    As per Holmlid’s process related to a 7% postalsium concentration, a dash of potassium salt (Potassium hydroxide) dissolved in the deuterium oxide might be more productive in the metallic hydrogen formation process.

  • Stephen

    Hmm so you are saying maybe wood was pushed in to the Aluminium maybe carbonized and released gas that produced those holes? And/Or maybe the stick it self produced the holes?

    It’s valid theory and should be seriously considered and obviously should be discounted before assuming something else.

    Wouldn’t putting a stick in partially molten Aluminium result in it extruding around stick though? I’m not sure I see anything like that in the third image where the stick apparently went in though.

    Also I’m curious where the aluminium in the voids went on if they were produced by gas or the stick itself? Shouldn’t this extrude some how somewhere? Or could the surrounding Aluminium be made denser some how. Can semi molten aluminum be compressed?

    Incidentally I’m curious about that last point for other explanations too… even if the aluminum was softened by some other process. Wouldn’t it have displaced when the stick was put in?

    Or was the aluminum block cast around the stick some how?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Ok – Bruce, how do you explain me witnessing live, metal softening, glowing, cluster destruction and anomalous voltage from a lump of metal in Suhas’ lab then?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Have you seen my Hutchison samples.

    Often wood was found inside aluminium with no damage

    http://disq.us/p/1pw8uwj

    Aluminium is VERY suseptable to this effect for reasons I gave on March 3rd last year. If the wire around LION was Aluminium instead of Cu, you could say goodbye to it well below Al’s melting point and this is one experiment I want to try.

    When you get how this works, it makes perfect sense.

    Off to lab to take a video/pictures for everyone.

    • Stephen

      Hi Bob, I remember you showing some of the Hutchison samples had magnetic fields using your magic detector sheet.

      I’m curious any if those samples were originally aluminum?

      If so if they are currently attracted by magnets?

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Yup very stunning.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Clearly the Cu oxides were plastic before the alumina tube broke as we can see them flowing over the edge of the broken alumina tube.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi there,

        I recall it as a clean break, that is just the near instantaneous change you get with this – see it all over Hutchison samples.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I’m interested in what appears to be something penetrating or stuck on the inside.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Yes that is interesting.

          Probably need to SEM and EDS it in situ.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What it DOES look like is that the Copper oxide SQUEEZED through / between the Cu windings as the cooled – which MAKES NO SENSE – since the Copper oxides should be solid first (setting aside the rediculous notion that wonderfully thermally conductive copper would net have melted if surrounded by ‘molten’ copper oxides.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Note how the Cu wire diameter reduces as the Cu oxide outer layer get thicker?

            What I see is the Cu wire progressively becoming Cu oxide.

            The copper would stop and thermalise almost all the photons generated by the fuel. From 50Hz to hard XRay. This heats the copper from the inside of each wire section.

          • Bob Greenyer

            IMPO, the Diapads are just the beginning and not where the main event occurs.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Almost all the heat generation occurs in the Cu and the Cu oxide shells due to the thermalisation of almost all the outbound photons generated as a result of the inbound IR photons triggering LENR activity in the Deuterated Ni fuel pads, which probably had some D co deposited wirh the Ni during the Ni electroplating activity.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            It seems also possible that D diffused through the tube and burned at high temperatures (> 2000 C).

          • Engineer48

            Hi Andreas,

            You mean D+D fusion?

            Or the D burning as a gas?

            If burning as a gas, there is not a lot of energy there but as we have no temp vs time data, impossible to determine total energy release.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Ordinary combustion. One should not underestimate the chemical energy of hydrogen. Some time ago I did the calculations for the MFMP’s so-called “bang” event. It turned out that a few milligrams of hydrogen could easily have melted parts of the alumina casing.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Andreas,

            Fair enough.

            What do you know about
            CuAl2O3?

            https://file.scirp.org/pdf/OJMetal20110200002_23236140.pdf

          • Axil Axil

            IMHO, the lenr agent is metalize hydrogen that releases from the Diapads and float around. These solitons can pass through the alumina and quartz affecting matter as they go. Think of the active LENR agent as a penetrating gas. This free roaming behavior has been seen in past experiments.

  • Engineer48
  • Bob Greenyer
    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      It got hot for the red Cuprite to fuse to the quartz tube.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Or – it is….. drum roll please…

        Cold Fusion!

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Chemical reaction with quartz temp high enough to soften enough to bond with plastic Cu oxides.

          Pink colour of the quartz suggests there are Cu Cuprite oxide crystals infused into the quartz.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes, it got in there somehow

    • Axil Axil

      With regards to: LION – ‘Milled’ exterior of core tube at break’

      The outside of the alumina tube is eroded through the action of the LENR active agent. This means that this agent is acting from the outside of the reactor. The alumina has been disintegrated by the LENR active agent working from the outside of the reactor into the interior.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Where do you see eroded alumina?

        I see Cu oxide flow over the outside of the alumina tube and down the face of the alumina tube break.

        • Axil Axil

          I see exterior erosion of the alumina in videos 1 and 2

          Read the titles of these videos

          1 – ‘Milled’ EXTERIOR of core tube at break

          2 – ‘ Scalloping away of reactor tube alumina’

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            I see ample visual evidence of Cu oxide flowing over a non eroded but fractured alumina tube.

          • Axil Axil

            What can “‘Milled’ EXTERIOR of core tube” say. What “Milled” the exterior say?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            I see no milled exterior of core tube in the images.

            Post an arrowed up image showing this.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            What you see here is not eroded alumina but Cu oxide that has started to flow down the face of the alumina tube break but hardened in place as the alumina fuel tube broke in half and the reaction stopped.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64246d4354bee6ab4f29e2239cb5e34478ed6c12cd628d4ae2c32d76f90a649a.png

          • Axil Axil

            I see three red dots in the magnified picture. Two are new. Why are these red dots appearing?

          • artefact

            There is also a blue pixel (if the circle is a watch then at 2 o’clock). In other pictures there are more.

          • Axil Axil

            I see it. Ask Bob, he wrote the title.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Had another look.

            Yes there is loss of alumina external tube diameter.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2524130fdb71fb401d5062a9a9bbdef893bcf06e5858e69a397d4de5401f62e4.png

            The missing alumina could have fractured away when the tube broke or as suggested eroded away.

          • Axil Axil

            Video 2 shows scalloping,,,that means erosion of material.

          • Engineer48
          • Bob Greenyer

            Axil is right, it got ‘milled’, just like the quartz, just like the glass in Parkhomov’s experiments AND his Boron Nitride tubes.

            ‘Milled’ not melted, the material is removed by the LENR active component.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It has been eroded – I can see the same effects in Hutchison samples

      • Bob Greenyer

        Mostly right

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2

    2nd set of Macro images

    High Quality jpgs
    https://goo.gl/cf4DCV

    Camera RAW
    https://goo.gl/2bC6kQ

  • LION

    Hi BOB,
    A THOUSAND times THANK YOU. Simply stunning images and as always your Passion and Curiosity and Science Nous shines through. I can’t even begin to express the pleasure it gives me that you, who have worked so very hard for so long, should have these two reactors to analyse and share with the LENR Community. You are a Star, BOB, an absolute Star, may the Community TREASURE you.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Lion,

      Is the image of the blob that of melted fuel discs which were pre wrapped in Cu wire?

      Thanks for your efforts.

      Will probably join Alan and Bob in a replication effort.

      • Bob Greenyer

        That is fantastic – quite a list is growing.

      • LION

        Hi Engineer 48,
        I am not sure what the Blob is. Soaking= minimum of a month. The Deuterium was room temp.
        All the best.

    • Bob Greenyer

      LION, It is an absolute honour to study these. There is beauty in these images that is beyond the ordinary which is why it is so difficult to recognise, soon everyone will not be able to un-see these aspects and they will recognise the awesomeness that is here for humanity to employ.

  • Engineer48

    Interesting image.

    Is this a stack of Lion fuel discs that were wrapped in copper wire? Note the reddish glint which may indicate Cuprite.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64246d4354bee6ab4f29e2239cb5e34478ed6c12cd628d4ae2c32d76f90a649a.png

    Clearly seen in this gamma altered image is the bolt end.

    Do believe the rotation of the image has placed the blod of whatever at the gravity bottom of the alumina fuel tube.

    • Engineer48
      • Axil Axil

        Are these red dots in the residue pile areas of active reaction. The bright one on the right side does not look like a reflection but more like a campfire on a metal mountain.

        On the left side in the shaded area on the lower slope, there is a dim red dot that shows up in the magnified picture.

        Could these dots be areas where the reaction is still active?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Axil,

          The bright red dots are pixel faults in the camera’s CCD.

          The faint red glints are probably from Cuprite reflections.

          Gold glints are from Tenorite and Red glints are from Cuprite.

          • Axil Axil

            What causes pixel faults? There seems to be more than one would expect. Could these faults be causes by muons?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hi Axil, I noticed these too and I don’t notice them normally.

            I think I will darken my webcam and leave Cosmic Ray Finder looking at the reactor core tonight. I do not know what the melted bit in the centre is.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil & Bob,

            It is very unusual for there to be 3 pixel faults.

            Something probably damaged them.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Strange radiation from the ECCO fuel damaged 3 pixels in a group in my Logitech 910C

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Could have been alpha, beta, gamma or neutron that caused the pixel damage.

            Or just a CCD failure.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – but ECCO produced strange radiation – observed in plastic both indirect contact with fuel and at a distance, on photographic plates and on the Webcam

          • artefact

            Wouldn’t the faults be then in all the pictures and on the same place?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Exactly artefact, that is why the stood out to me

            I have had this camera body since 2012. When you turn it on, I can do a calibration which re-sets any minor differences in sensitivity when the lens cap is on.

  • Engineer48

    Lest we forget:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/369dc5b9ac8af056d343fdf1748247c6fe2968f8366216a7593149520668f058.png

    50 & 52 are 1mm thick steel photon thermalisers and black body IR photon emitters

    54 is the fuel.

    46 & 48 are mica electrical insulators

    40 is an electrical heater

    In Rossi’s reactor, the fuel is sandwiched between 2 x 1mm thick steel plates and heated by a buried central electrical heater.

    In this arrangenent, photons emitted by the reaction in the fuel are thermalised in the steel plates and the resultant black body IR photons are driven back into the fuel.

    IR photons emitted by the top most and bottom most steel plates radiate IR photons away from the reactor, so to heat say surrounding liquid.

    The Lion reactor is a varient on this design using the copper wire windings as the photon thermalised.

    • Axil Axil

      Regarding: 46 & 48 are mica electrical insulators

      The photons are polarized with regard to handedness by the mica single hexagonal crystal structure.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        The main IR photon flow is from the steel plates into the fuel.

        Photons moving through the mica are thermalised by the steel abd then emitted as black body IR photons from the steel face in contact with the fuel.

        Thus any polarisation caused by the mica is lost during the thermalisation and re emission by the 1mm thick steel.

        • Axil Axil
          • Bob Greenyer

            You are both right to a degree.

            Steel is least affected by the active component due to its high 56Fe content. this allows it to not degrade so much – demonstrated in very many Hutchison experiments.

            The Mica, due to its structure is an effective barrier to ready diffusion of the active component.

            IR photons do stimulate the production of the active component as I said in ‘looking into the E-Cat with X-Ray eyes’

            Rossi either does not know what is actually going on which would explain COG standing beside him as the latest in a long line of theories on 24th November – or he does, and he is not being fair to these theoreticians who are giving their time up – perhaps he thinks he is protecting people from the truth, but it is not his secret to keep, never was, you cannot own or patent this.

          • georgehants

            Morning Bob, do your findings up to now make you believe that they can soon be practically used for Cold Fusion etc. by everybody that reads your reports.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I believe that ECCO is that. I will give a full reasoning for that in ‘O Day’

          • georgehants

            Wonderful

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    This paper says it is neutrons that damage CCD pixels:

    http://www.lle.rochester.edu/media/publications/high_school_reports/documents/hs_reports/2008/Boccuzzi_Krysta.pdf

    Here cosmic rays are shown to damage space based CCDs:

    http://www.tested.com/science/space/455640-how-cosmic-rays-damage-camera-sensors-space/

    Which suggests all it takes is a high energy something hitting a CCD pixel and killing it.

    • Bob Greenyer

      That is because people do not know about strange radiation

      I did 500 hours of SR exposure from ECCO fuel – the hot pixels emerged in the middle of the testing and are permanent damage to the Logitech.

      Bob

  • Engineer48

    There seems to be translucent material forming and maybe flowing inside the Lion fuel tube.

    It is flowing out of a crack in the alumina tube?

    Also there is other material apparently stuck to the right side alumina tube wall.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ef249e6bb4139d80d6e07e5dc1f4d310a0f12eeab7f6fc0bfd1e8a994a6c3b5.png

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think that the the block inside the reactor is the result of pushing the process too far and will contain some very heavy elements.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The translucent material is likely Glassy Saphire

  • Engineer48
    • artefact

      It could even be an older random try. It was just data they could restore from the damaged SD card.
      But you can see what temperature he used. LION1/2 are probably equal.
      You can also see how he slowly increased the temperature. It was not shock heating or something. LEON1/2 might be similar

      • Engineer48

        Hi Artefact,

        Looking at the Thermo A start temp rise curve, I suspect you are correct and it is recording the heat leaking through from the active reactor.

    • Alan Smith

      Graph of an early LION experiment, and before anyone asks I have no further information on any aspect of this, or which experiment it was part of- it might well predate LION1., it is data retrieved while helping LION get to grips with a balky data-logger. Temperature is DegC, Time is in seconds.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Alan,

        Is it a safe guess that Thermo A is from the control reactor?

        It is your dual reactor test rig.

        • Alan Smith

          I would guess that too. But only a guess, and yes, this is the ‘Model T’ 2-port hardware.

          • Bob Greenyer

            And in that case, half of the applied power goes to both sides.

      • Alan, can we assume that you know the identity of LION? Can LION be characterized as an experienced experimenter with a scientific degree and published papers?

        • Alan Smith

          I’m afraid I couldn’t possibly comment. I’m sure you understand.

          • Sure. Just like to know where the secrecy boundaries are.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This graph is 100% confirmation of one aspect of the message in ‘O Day’

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is my belief, and I will explain in ‘O Day’ that parts of the LIONs (principally the affected copper) go through a period when they are very close to absolute zero.

  • Bob Greenyer

    No. People are thinking about this all wrong.

  • David_Kaiser_39

    Why the heck did I study economy? This is so much more fun, and has a purpose…

    Although I understand only 15% of it 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      You are soon going to understand more than you probably wanted to

      • David_Kaiser_39

        Somehow I can feel that. And there is also a story and a deeper meaning behind all this and why I’m following this. I’m excited how all this is coming together at this time. After five years of observing and learning.

        Bob, I’m greatly thankful for all the energy you are giving to us here.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Much deeper

          All I can think is, how did we all get so stupid?

          • David_Kaiser_39

            I’m sure you heard about the elevator experiment, all people facing the wall and one guy enters and… does the same with no reason. If we can get a sane human doing something so stupid you shouldn’t wonder..

          • georgehants

            Good to meet you David, a genuine thinker I think.

          • David_Kaiser_39

            Thanks, that doesn’t makes the daily life easier, as I’m sure you all know.

          • georgehants

            David on that reply we could talk for hours, maybe “O” day will bring a little illumination and change, hope.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – the opposite occurs as well – when there are enough people that see the truth for what it is, there can be a see change.

          • Axil Axil

            The science behind LENR is uncommon and little known in the extreme. It is very hard to understand.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I need everyone to download and get used to using

    https://www.mindomo.com/

    • Frost*

      Is there an ETA on ‘O’ day yet?

      • Bob Greenyer

        When it is ready. Getting there, just having to manage childcare and usual life stuff.

        • Why is it called ‘O day’? Did I miss something?
          What is O day?

          • Bob Greenyer

            ALL will be revealed.

          • Bob, if there’s one thing I’m sure of after 7 years of following this epic saga, it’s that ALL is never revealed

            I appreciate your flair for the dramatic though.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – fair enough, but you may see what I mean.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bruce,

    The copper thermalises most photons emitted by the reaction and sends them back to the fuel as black body IR photons.

    3mm of Cu will not stop gamma photons but should stop hard XRays down to 50 kHz photons.

    Boosts COP and reduces input power to achieve output temp X.

    Rossi used the same effect in his patent.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Gamma rays will be released some time after shut down, more obvious if done very quickly – you need a very weak maintenance input power to keep the whole thing from doing this.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Pixels that were red were hot ones, need to calibrate camera.

  • Bob Greenyer

    TOTAL WEIRDNESS

    Scraped a little of the oxide layer off to have a close look underneath.

    In the left hand part of this photo, it looks like the oxide has squeezed through the outer coils super-fluid like and NOT EVEN MELTED the polymer insulation, which should decompose at around 230ºC. You can see on the right where it has lost the insulation and the oxide starts to stick to it. On the left it looks like the oxide wants to get away from the insulation layer.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4e1802da9c14e7e49272838933a3498d06ee9b4a0cd8add42ea676d0434072da.jpg

    • Alan Smith

      Very interesting Bob. Not to mention strange. If you can re-photograph that with a ruler up against the coils I can work out the wire gauge.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Looking after kids – sorry – I will get some of the raw wire later – and wind it round a spindle and take a photo against a ruler

      • Bob Greenyer

        By the way, the reason it wants to get away is an impedance mismatch.

      • LION

        Hi ALAN,
        the wire was marketed/manufactured by SUKI.INTERNATIONAL. GmbH. 0.6mm 50g. 20 metres long loose coiled.
        I bought it from Leyland SDM who have shops all over London.

        https://leylandsdm.co.uk

        When I locate my magic note book I will answer Russe’s email.
        I would probably have bought the bolt from them too, they sell all sorts of useful stuff.
        All my tubes now have a number with its specific construction written down so when I find the book I will be able to tell you exactly the lenth of the bolt in this specific tube.
        This place (below ) is one of my favourite shops. They are top notch people, they really know their trade, best to visit in the afternoon after the morning rush of the Building Trade.

        http://www.clerkenwellscrews.com

        • Alan Smith

          Thank you . I have plenty of wire but none precisely that size- actually there is another very good company I use for wire – they have a huge range. https://www.wires.co.uk/ – and for Kanthal ‘crazy wire co.’ also in the UK. I know ‘Clerkenwell Screws’ well btw, I have been a customer for decades. If they haven’t got something, you can be pretty sure it no longer exists. Calibrating your new reactor tomorrow btw.

        • magicsnd1

          The closest match seems to be 23 AWG gauge which is ~0.574 mm diameter. It’s not normally supplied as hookup wire, but 23 gauge enameled “magnet wire” is currently available from several sellers on both Amazon and eBay. I bought a 1-pound spool (~200 meters) for $16.

          AlanG

          • Bob Greenyer

            Great Alan.

            Just had convo with Alan S. Plan is to match calibrate LION3, yours and his own M.T so they are in line with each other.

          • Alan Smith

            wires.co.uk have the very thing – polyester coated 0.6mm Cu wire around $20US for 500 grams priority shipped.

    • artefact

      So it maybe was cool on the inside and hot on the outside. The effect leading to that must have begun before reaching 230C.

  • Bob Greenyer

    FUSION OF DISSIMILAR MATERIALS
    Just like Hutchison Effect, dissimilar materials are being fused together

    Cu20 1,232 °C
    Kanthal 1,500 °C
    Quartz 1,700 °C (from supplier specification)
    Alumina 2,072 °C

    In addition, and in relation to previous images, ceramics appear to be eaten away
    – Alumina and Quartz have large chunks removed extremely cleanly

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d0a658688eee2170e893834c6bd2142306ba113f1c72b05747f5e60d342591f3.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5cdb543e75a451039e0220817f4ec875f885a27c6965bf96518e0f135d5ab46.jpg

    • Axil Axil

      Is your thinking off a little? The mixing of material is not though melting bot through the condensation of the vapor of dissimulare materials. This mixed species vapor then condenses. So the temperatures involved is based on vaporization temperatures. For example, the alumina vaporization temperature is about 2,977 °C (5,391 °F).

      But is the mixing of elements via the Hutchison Effect bases on temperature or is it more likely based on quark soup like reactions?

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is NOT via vapour deposition.

        The process is what enables LENR to produce the effects ( and the variability ) that have plagued it’s history.

        LION is the key to demonstrating the process which was also the root cause of all of Hutchison Effects.

        • Stephen

          Something is disrupting the bonds between atoms or realigning them so their orbitals can’t pair up?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes and yes

          • Stephen

            Hmm so some other aligning factor is dominating over that, that would occur in crystalisation maybe?

          • Axil Axil

            Its entanglement, see my posts above.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Go back to my Mumbai presentation, or Copenhagen…

          • Axil Axil

            A nuclear reaction has nothing to do with disrupting the bonds between atoms or realigning them so their orbitals can’t pair up. This theory involves electrons and not nuclear reactions…it is more like R.Mills theories.

            I hope that Bob Greenyer’s theory is not chemical in nature because it is really based on the disruption of the nucleons.

          • Stephen

            Hi Axil, I’m not sure but I think there may be too parts to this what is occurring inside the reactor itself with the deuterated diamond disks and the effect if that on the materials around it.

            I think the disruption of the material structure could be due to that effect. But am not sure yet of the effect that is causing it… if it is fields realigning the electron orbitals so they can’t make their normal bonds or spill over particles from the core disrupting the bonds or something else.

          • Bob Greenyer

            This process does disrupt bonds between atoms – but it is not the whole story.

        • LION

          Hi BOB,
          I guess you are spoilt for choice this year:

          https://www.iccf21.com/call-for-papers

          When you next speak to John Hutchison please pass on my respect and best wishes. THANKS.

          • Bob Greenyer

            He REALLY likes your YOUR experiment!

          • artefact

            See my post above to LION.

          • Bob Greenyer

            He says he is keen to replicate it, can we make that happen?

          • LION

            Hi BOB,
            please tell John sure thing, we will sort it for him to run with the other replications. RESPECT to the BIG GUY.

          • artefact

            Are there still free seats in the replication effort? I would love to join.

          • LION

            Hi artefact,
            unfortunately John beat you to it. I have enough to do what I have promised and some left for me to continue experimenting for a short while and not more. However ALAN SMITH of LFH will be batching fuel soon, so maybe you could buy some from him.
            It was really tough to give up Lion 2 because it was such an wonderful experiment, but when I see what BOB is doing and shareing with the community, I KNOW it is thankfully one of the Smarter choices I have made in my life. Remember I am still learning and exploring myself, we are all in this together. If LION 1 and 2 help LENR, then I will be happy.
            All the best.

          • artefact

            Thanks LION. .. and good luck John!

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – 3rd set of high resolution macro photos

    https://goo.gl/fsRYVN

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Looking for Strange Radiation

    Logitech 910C masked and strapped to LION, ‘Cosmic Ray Finder’ Tasked with finding emissions. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7b2d2abce807f385801acfcb9c579f44d8456fce5f056ea9691d4e5b84c8d8b.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    NOW you are starting to think. Keep thinking, everyone has more to go on than I did a few weeks back. Look at my questions.

    Stephen, Artefact and Axil are doing well, John Hutchison is recognising the same signs.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Gamma only happens when you take the sweetie jar away – even more so if you do it abruptly.

  • Axil Axil

    I have been wondering why Holmlid is not dead from gamma radiation since he is producing boatloads of muons and those muons should catalyzed fusion in huge amounts.

    What might be happening is these fusion reactions covered by a general condition of entanglement were the energy produced by those fusion reactions are transferred back to the metalized hydrogen that is producing the muons. Then that energy is utilized to produce more muons by the metllized hydrogen.

    We can think of this situation like a march of a army ant colony where soldier ants are sent out to bring back food to the queen. The queen uses that food to produce more soldier ants to bring back more food.

    This entangles global fusion reaction could be how the outside of the LION reactor is melted and full of reaction damage and the inside of the reactor looks relatively unaffected by reaction damage. The inside of the alumina tube looks to be undamaged where the outside looks to be eroded.

    Now think of the metallize hydrogen (MH) like a black hole. These MH particles can reach out via entanglement to affect matter at a distance via muon production.

    Heat is rendered by the black hole as Hawking radiation.

    http://universe-review.ca/I15-49-wormhole.jpg

  • Axil Axil

    Why is the core of the reactor colder that the ambient?

    If heat photons are being moved through Hacking radiation to the metallic hydrogen to produce more muons then there must be a cooling of the vacuum virtual heat particles produced where the energy is removed by the black hole as the heat photons are transferred to the black hole to produce more muons.

    In other words, vacuum energy is removed to produce cooling and that energy so removed is used to produce muons and other types of subatomic particles.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Axil, you are getting into the right ball park – keep thinking – go over again my questions and really look at the images I have shared.

      • Axil Axil

        I predict that if you shine a laser beam (a laser pointer will do) on the pile of diadisks in the LION 2 reactor core, then the LENR reaction that is currently quiescent in the LION 2 reactor will refire and produce more muons.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Not quite. BUT YOU ARE GETTING THE RIGHT IDEA!

          • Axil Axil

            The metallic hydrogen is depleted of energy now in the LION reactor. They are still around but are sleeping. If you feed them some light, they will fire up. This is what Rossi does in this QX. Rossi feeds his metallic hydrogen some light and they come alive for a few seconds.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You have the right idea in principal.

            As I said a few times now – either Rossi does not know what is going on and got lucky, or he does, and he has repeatedly wasted good peoples time.

          • Axil Axil

            You will find that I am on point if and when you do the experiment.

  • Axil Axil

    How can we make a black hole for light?

    Science is producing analog black holes in the laboratory. These holes are actually bose condensates since these two things follow the same equations. Bose condensates behave like black holes.

    Any wave based mechanism that produce a phase change can deminstate black hole behavior which includes gravity.

    Here is info in sound based black holes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEp0I0vgloE

    • Bob Greenyer

      Well done Axil, things should move very fast for you from here

      I want people to ENJOY this REALISATION rather than just be told it.

      • Axil Axil

        I told Holmlid about this idea years ago but he thought I was crazy.

        • Bob Greenyer

          He is covering his but.

          ‘O Day’ will be very enlightening – but keep thinking, this will be the most enjoyable thought trip of your life – so I wish you well.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I am not saying this is true of Holmlid, but many people have their own walled garden to protect.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Maybe look at yourself in the mirror before being a pot calling a kettle black?

            Science is done by presenting your data & theory and allowing other to judge it’s validity.

            You do not get the right to judge or comment on other knowledge and understanding.

            So please STOP preaching you know stuff no one else does and present your complete data set and theory.

            Then step back and allow other to examine your claims.

            That is how science and respect for others opinions works.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I message about what I have realised and I firmly believe humans have forgot. I think that many will realise they already know this. As I haven’t made any claims yet, I’m not sure what your beef is, I am asking questions because I want people who care, to prime themselves with relevant material in order to ‘get’ O Day and also to be capable of providing robust, informed critique. Some people choose to belittle and besmirch.

            Many people have judged me without knowing me or spending anytime with me over the years, especially in this last year – I understand why and I will uphold their right to do that even if they are misguided.

            All the data I made my conclusions and had my insight from I have made public and then some. Following my realisation, I re-visited work we and others have already published, going back 100 years, and found the signatures of the process throughout.

            Where is your data E48?

            I am double checking my realisation and crystallising and distilling it into a presentation, that whilst I am sure will have flaws, it will be a reasonable first volley – all without any expectation of reward. It should be more than enough to stimulate debate.

            During this process of verification, I am working as fast as I can to provide what some may consider valuable work regarding the LION reactor.

            I have a right to comment on anything I choose to comment on, last time I checked there isn’t a thought police controlling me. You have a right not to listen.

            Science is not about opinions, it is either the truth or not. What I have to reveal on ‘O Day’ will challenge a LOT of people, a lot of opinions may be found to be wanting, sure people are happy living an illusion but I don’t think people actually start out wanting to live a lie. I expect all kinds of push-back and thinly veiled, vested interest driven attacks and attempts to discredit me in all the usual boring tried and proven ways.

            If I am wrong, so be it, I haven’t been right yet in messaging other opinions over the years and have taken a LOT of flack, but it will not stop me using what intellect I have to iterate to the right answer, if at all possible.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Science is about presenting your theory and the experimental data that supports it.

            Then you step back and let others make comment.

            Please focus your efforts on creating your presentation as ONE cohesive presentation.

          • Bob Greenyer

            E48, I wouldn’t of though of focusing my efforts on my presentation had you not told me.

            The challenge with this is how to make it small as it is so huge, which will become very evident.

          • Frank Acland

            I think a lot of people here would appreciate a summary of your main ‘O-day’ points, then you could fill in details as time goes on.

          • Bob Greenyer

            That would take a lot more effort – I’d be answering the same questions 1000s times.

            I have tried to get people to think and prepare, some people have chosen to.

            Perhaps I should have gone silent for 2 months

          • sgm0369

            Don’t make it small, then.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Doing my best

          • Frost*

            “Some people choose to belittle and besmirch”

            I don’t think that’s the case Bob. I’d just like to see you separate your belief system from your LENR work (which is IMHO, outstanding).

          • Bob Greenyer

            I have to be true to myself. People can choose to take what they want and ignore what they don’t like

          • Stephen

            Bob, you maybe the first to put the pieces together. It takes a unique combination of open view point and strong enthusiasm to do that. Not many have that but you do.

            The soliton step was inspired and not obvious I think too

            Here we have a “quark soup” of ideas and concepts with some creative and imaginative along with others more practical and methodical each of which have some aspects that are in resonance and other parts that are not. But it’s important that all those view points are put on the table so someone like you can incorporate them into your picture.

            History may show resonances with aspects of your ideas in a similar way. Along with equally applicable and somehow correct analogues in philosophy and awareness from far back in history.

            But I have the feeling if this works out you may be the first to put these particular pieces together in this particular way.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am not the first – I know that 100%

          • Anon2012_2014

            Hi Bob,

            I would like to see the experimental setup as a schematic and then the data. If the data are incontrovertible in rejecting the null hypothesis (i.e. regular known physics), we (the community) can then build alternative models that fit that data — based on physics (science) but extended to correct that which the pre-existing models did not explain. That’s what we want — to prove that something which I will call LENR (for want of a better name) is a proven fact.

            While I appreciate new models (especially Axil), because we don’t yet have a material amount of confirming (the null hypothesis rejection) incontrovertible data, I believe speculating on what the model may be is not a good use of scarce resources. If you or Axil have time to speculate, go right ahead, but I am essentially waiting for an experimental design with data before going to the next step.

            Good luck Bob and user LION. Waiting for “O Day” which I believe from context here means the day that you will release the above.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I think you will appreciate the hypothesis, data and context.

          • Anon2012_2014

            I can’t focus on it until I see the data. I kind of a pragmatist — the model is like Maxwell’s Demon and Schrodinger’s Cat — can’t see them — only sensible effect. We can figure out if there are specific nuclear interactions later.

      • Axil Axil

        I had this figured out long ago but you wouldn’t accept the idea in preference to the “Negative ion” theory that Piantelli foisted on you.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Please, If you have it figured out, draw the end to end basis to the best of your ability and spare me the trouble of doing it, don’t wait for ‘O Day’ and then say ‘I said that’ – I do not enjoy wasting my time if something has already been done – my family have suffered the result of over 5 years of volunteering and it would be a travesty if you knew all along but did not present a coherent end to end solution for consideration.

          Some of your posts, as I have said before, have been important to me, I always try to give credit where it is due. I spent 30 minutes defending you to a prominent member of the community yesterday because I value your input – but if you had actually said how it works, then we’d all have working reactors.

          Piantelli taught me so much it is difficult to fathom. ‘O Day’ simply would not have been possible with what he did in hosting the MFMP – all of the key aspects that we learned that have informed ‘O Day’ have been discussed openly and widely.

          • Axil Axil

            Hundreds of LENR experiments have been performed and the end to end story requires explaining each of those experiments to reflect the common context. That is a lot of explaining.

            for example,

            On O-day, will you explain how a SmCo7 magnet can produce the LENR reaction?

            On O-day, will you explain why a sheet of mica can cut the half life of a radioactive isotope by a lot.

            On O-day will you explain how a laser when illuminating a solution of DO and gold nanoparticles can produce tritium.

            and so on for hundreds more experiments.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Past O day, if people think it has value, they will be able to fill in all the gaps for specific cases.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      These are not black holes. Not even close.

      The energy release in LENR is from gradual release of the D nucleus’ strong force, which when it gets low enough, allows a very low energy neutron to be released from the strong force weak nucleus and become bound to nearby atoms, causing isotope shifts.

      No gammas, no alphas, no high energy beta nor high energy neutrons.

      Just heat via emitted photon momentum xfer to the matrix and isotope shifts plus thermalised photons trapped inside a metal jacket around the fuel.

      • Axil Axil

        Another term that is used in science is “dark mode”.

        This is an example

        Selective excitation of bright and dark
        plasmonic resonances of single gold
        nanorods

        https://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.07011

  • georgehants

    Bob, have been reading the Seth speaks books from the 1960s/70’s for many years, this excerpt may interest you, please disregard if I am out of place.
    ————
    Consciousness is aware pure energy, starting with the most fundamental kind,
    identified within itself as itself, not ‘personified,’ but
    ‘awareized.’ It is the source of all other kinds of
    consciousness, including the kind you believe arises from material
    evolution, and the varieties of its activity are infinite. It
    combines with others of its kind, forming then units of
    consciousness, as atoms and molecules combine. We must unfortunately
    often deal with inadequate analogies, because they can form
    bridgeworks between concepts. Let us say, then, that there are units
    of consciousness, as there are units of matter. I do not want you to
    think of these units as particles, however, for each is infinitely
    extensible. It is more as though they are interwoven but unique
    waves in a sea, with a unique perspective from each wave’s crest.
    Yet, unlike the waves in a sea, these basic units of consciousness,
    once expressed, will not be broken down, as once it was thought that
    an atom was the smallest unit and could not be broken down.
    Basic consciousness units, call them CUs—the letter C and the letter
    U—are not separate units, not really units at all. And obviously
    they are not physical, existing by the millions in single atoms.
    Each CU contains within itself innately infinite properties of
    expansion, development and organization; yet within itself always
    maintains the kernel of its own individuality, which is the source of
    the idea that it could be called a ‘unit.’ Despite whatever
    organizations it becomes part of, or how it mixes with other such
    basic units, its own identity is not annihilated.
    There is a constant surge into your universe of new energy through infinite
    minute sources. These sources are the CUs themselves—and remember
    they exist by the millions in single atoms. In certain respects
    these units operate as minute but extremely potent black holes ‘and’
    white holes as they are presently understood by your physicists,
    serving as source points for energy to come into your system, and in
    so doing it, forming that system.
    ———
    It is a Doc page that I don’t know how to link to, info below.
    ———
    a lecture on consciousness as the source of all reality – Seth Network …
    https://www.sethnet.org/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=att…link…The ‘lecture and Q&A’are a composite of only slightly edited, some reordered, quotes from The Nature of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts, 1974, the year I …. as minute but extremely potent black holes ‘and’ white holes as they are presently understood by your physicists, serving as source points for energy to come into …

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thankyou for sharing that, this guy is VERY NEARLY right and he may have known all of how it works, I may have only realised parts, different and similar to this.

      ‘O Day’ will be a lot easier for you than for some others.

      • georgehants

        If you do not know of Seth then you are going to be amazed where this information is coming from,ha.

        • Frost*

          Probably The Twilight Zone,

          “A pleasant faced man steps up to greet you

          He smiles and says he’s pleased to meet you

          Beneath his hat the strangeness lies

          Take it off, he’s got three eyes

          Truth is false and logic lost

          Now the fourth dimension is crossed…”

        • georgehants

          GreenWin, are you watching?

        • Bob Greenyer

          Don’t know him – I try to clean room things first and enjoy finding out later I didn’t come up with anything new.

    • Axil Axil

      I hope the the mysticism is keeped to a minimum in any explanation of LENR. The science is weird enough for a person to digest. Adding mysticism is a bridge too far.

      • georgehants

        I think Cold Fusion is regarded as “mysticism” by the majority of scientists and Quantum physics certainly is.

        • Bob Greenyer

          People will get what they get from any work – if they choose to ignore something important because it hurts their sensibilities or pre-conceptions, who do they blame when ‘it doesn’t work’

        • Engineer48

          Hi George,

          QM is not mysticism. Just because it is not intuitive does not make it mysticism.

          All that means is we do not yet understand everything about how QM works.

      • Dave Lawton

        Axil you try studying David Bohm.You may get some insights.Remember Bohm and Frank were at Bristol Physics Lab and we all well into mysticism including cold fusion.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Agree.

  • Bob Greenyer

    See what I said about Francesco Piantelli and his burn

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is a bit weirder than that.

  • Bob Greenyer

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9bf4206c17eef701ec56591f7166a6293e9c01576117ce9ab313cb21314adf0a.jpg LION – One detection on Cosmic Ray Finder in first 8 hours.

    Candidate for strange radiation (SR) since it has two distant parts and a direction change, however, inconclusive.

    Strapped on the other part of the reactor to see if that can up count numbers and improve chance of positive SR track detection.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c0fdcf5083e425829e4c420f63ed3afe8a46c201923ed59572d581816e50d538.png

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bruce,

    Gammas are not normally seen in LENR reactors.

  • Axil Axil

    The heat is produced by Hawking radiation. A Bose condensate produces Hawking radiation. If a Bose condensate is not establish globally in the reactor, the LENR energy takes the form of gamma radiation.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      And what generates the gamma?

      Can’t be D+D fusion as He generation is not seen to be related to excess heat generation.

      Maybe no gammas are created in the 1st place?

      • Axil Axil

        A LENR system can produce gamma if it is cold at startup or during shutdown. If a LENR system is not pumped enough, it will produce gamma.

        See

        http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.380.3628&rep=rep1&type=pdf

        • Engineer48

          Hi Axil,

          Thanks for the very interesting paper showing gamma generation DURING loading but NOT during excess heat generation.

          So to Lion and all the replicators that will be soaking the Ni fuel discs in D for at least a month.

          BE VERY AWARE THIS LOADING PROCESS MAY GENERATE GAMMA RADIATION.

      • Axil Axil

        Nucleon binding energy. This energy is released when mesons decay.

  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    LION informed me he soaked the discs in liquid deuterium for AT LEAST 30 DAYS.

    So no quick replications are possible unless LION provides already deuterated discs.

    • Axil Axil

      It takes a long time for metallic hydrogen to form. Holmlid has stated that replication of his experiment requires three weeks of ultra dense hydrogen loading.

      Those diadisks are close to the material that Holmlid uses in his fuel preparation. In addition it takes weeks of cavitation to produce the ECCO fuel.,

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Metallic H is not needed nor required.

        Only need a high D loading in the interstitial points in the matrix.

        Matrix does not need to be metallic. NASA achieved good results with deuterated polyethylene.

        • Axil Axil

          What do you think high loading produces if not ultra dense hydrogen?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            High loading means most of the interstitial sites in the host matrix are loaded with D. That loading does not create metallic hydrogen or intra dense hydrogen.

            Read McKubre’s papers as he is a D loading expert and created the resistance method to measure loading %.

          • Axil Axil

            Did you view the micrographs of the fuel used by ME356 and ECCO? What is coming out of that fuel and doing all that conversion of carbon into metal?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Axil is right about looking at those slides. It is showing important information and he is asking the right question.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Please update Wikipedia with the creation of metallic hydrogen at standard pressure and temperature:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen

        Why not go into business selling metallic hydrogen?

    • Bob Greenyer

      He never told me that. I never said that. It may not be critical, but for our replication – it will be done with discs (in fact whole core) built by him.

      • Engineer48
        • Bob Greenyer

          So – LOOK AT MY PRESENTATION, I DID NOT GIVE A TIME FOR THE SOAKING BECAUSE HE DID NOT TELL ME.

          He is not sure what the blob is, likely because he did not analyse it, but I have private communication saying it is a core from a previous run.

          • artefact

            You should keep the blob. It probably can be used in another run. It might be necessary for the reactor to be active from the beginning and not become active over time.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I fully agree – previously working fuel will, in my understanding, make good seeds.

          • Axil Axil

            Maybe the blob should be stored in deuterium oxide to recharge the LENR active agent while it is waiting to be reused. This might apply to any diadisks that are recovered from the various LION reactors; but the disks that still have their diamonds mostly in place.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not a bad idea – certainly, I get a sense they could be re-used.

  • georgehants

    Trial of Socrates
    The trial of Socrates (399 BC) was held to determine the philosopher’s guilt of two charges: asebeia (impiety) against the pantheon
    of Athens, and corruption of the youth of the city-state; the accusers
    cited two impious acts by Socrates: “failing to acknowledge the gods
    that the city acknowledges” and “introducing new deities”.
    The death sentence of Socrates
    was the legal consequence of asking politico-philosophic questions of
    his students, from which resulted the two accusations of moral
    corruption and of impiety. At trial, the majority of the dikasts
    (male-citizen jurors chosen by lot) voted to convict him of the two
    charges; then, consistent with common legal practice, voted to determine
    his punishment, and agreed to a sentence of death to be executed by
    Socrates’s drinking a poisonous beverage of hemlock.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Socrates

    • Bob Greenyer

      There is a lesson in there George!

  • Stephen

    Hello Bob., LION etc.

    The use of dental film around the device by LION. Was really interesting especially given the double spots.

    I wonder if it would be possible to make a variation of this test. Whereby we have pile of several layers of dental film not just one sheet on each side of the device.

    The idea of this would be:

    1: to see if we saw similar features on adjacent sheets.

    2: see if there is variation between the images in the sheets

    In case 1 it might be conclusive extra evidence of some kind of directional X-ray phenomenon.

    In case 2: if the spots apear then if several sheets were used the may give trajectory, dispersion information.

    It would be very interesting to see if the X-rays are strongly collimated or dispersing. And if the path they are following is linear or somehow curved.

    It might also indicate the direction of the X-rays which possibly could be lined up with particular features (such as certain double spots) on the reactor….

    Just an idea.

    • Bob Greenyer

      These are good ideas.

  • Jonas Matuzas

    Will O-Day be demonstration or presentation? (sorry I lost in all those comments)
    When will it be? (within days or weeks)

    • Bob Greenyer

      I want the presentation to be very robust in its argument based on a broad range of data. Also, I want each aspect to have clear visuals for the less technically minded – even still it will be focussed initially at those that have some background of the history of LENR.

      I have to do some paid work tomorrow, and am doing child care half of each day now so progress is slower than I would like.

  • Stephen

    Have you considered Alfvén waves as an energy transport mechanism within these flux tubes you mention.

    Normally you come across them in the context of space and coronal plasmas in solar and astrophysics. This is obviously a very different domain in terms of size and energy density. But the same principles should apply I think.

    They have been used to explain all kinds of astronomical behavior and are possibly partly associated with the “corona heating problem”, some solar X-ray emission etc.

    If so I wonder if in this much more local domain if there could be a coupling between this phenomenon. electron ion acceleration and x-ray generation.

    • Jouni Tuomela

      Schauberger used water, Alfven used plasma, hmm
      Nordic lights show the phenomena too?

      • Stephen

        Well for sure there seems to be something going on in Scandinavia!

        At least all the related inspiration coming from there!

        Alfvén is yet another one. Maybe the aurora has something to do with it.

        I saw it once in Kiruna… it’s beautiful.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I saw it in Iceland – wonderful

    • Stephen

      It could go further if it works like that.

      If the generated X-rays are sufficiently intense and have a sufficiently high energy and broad spectrum. Maybe they could they couple with certain Nuclear transitions.

      I once wondered if we had a suitable X-rays source if it could successively excite the nuclear transitions and maybe sustain them in resonance.

      But we should be cautious thinking along these lines. Most nuclear photon interactions require a resonance which is typically very narrow in energy band width in order to interact. They require also states such as spin and parity to be maintained. They are also usually quite energetic way above 100 or so keV which is more typical of an X-ray. So in short it is not easy to get a suitable interaction.

      To do this we would need a very well tuned X-ray source or a very intense broad spectrum source. And isotopes that allow these lower energy transitions.

      I also wondered if that source is sufficiently intense if it could maintain a resonance of a transition or even elevate it in steps before it decays in a gamma in a kind of inverted cascade. This could be similar or the same to the Rossi/Norman Cook ideas but I might be wrong there.

      Normally to do this kind of nucleus stimulation science uses synchrotrons as an x-Ray source along with certain isotopes that gave low energy transitions such as Mossbauer isotopes or low energy isomers. This is used in Mossbauer spectrometry for example

      I couldn’t think of a suitable X-ray source in the past… coupling characteristic X-rays with the nucleus transitions for example did not seem a viable mechanism due to the narrow bandwidths involved. And Bremstrahlung seemed likely to be too weak a source.

      I do now wonder if Bobs mechanism is able produce locally intense but broad band X-rays that are able to stimulate the nucleus or perhaps alternatively to affect the inner electron orbitals in a way that broaden characteristic xRays emmission band width enough to interact or couple with nuclear transition bands. Obviously this would be pretty speculative on my part though.

      Interestingly though but maybe purely coincidental Nickel 61 is such a Mossbauer isotope with a lower energy transition from ground in the X-ray range of frequencies. As is Iron 57 for example.

      • Stephen

        But even if there is not a direct nuclear resonance impact like this. If inner orbital electrons are removed by the flux tube through high energy electron interactions or UV or X-rays. They would become repopulated by the electrons from the higher orbitals…

        Which could disrupt the bonds between atoms in the higher electron orbitals.

        If this happens in the core could this kind of disruption open the door for the H- anions or D- anions in Piantelli model to enter too?

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2: Strange Radiation monitoring update

    A little under one day and still only one track detection.

    The activity is markedly below ECCO fuel which is expected. If it keeps up like this, we may have a practical and reasonably safe test bed.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Don’t worry. Believe me, I want this off my back.

  • georgehants

    Scientific Facts are always useful.
    ———–
    What does matter ultimately consist of?
    According to the startling and incredible findings of modern quantum
    mechanics (or quantum physics), matter is composed mostly of nothing. It
    does not even exist independently from us, until observed or measured.
    Objective reality, according to the findings, is an illusion.
    Isn’t this precisely what Buddhist and other mystics have been saying for the last 2,500 years?
    But it is only in the last century that science has begun to realize
    this truth. And the concept is still as controversial today as it was a
    hundred years ago. Einstein, it has been said, refused to accept it.
    Modern quantum physics seeks to know and study what the material universe consists of, its characteristics and behavior.
    The existence, behavior and characteristics of these smallest
    particles of matter are what modern physics is concerned with. And their
    findings sent shock waves through the scientific community because they
    threatened to destroy the very foundations of Western materialist
    science.
    What are some of these “weird” and “irrational” findings of quantum
    physics concerning the nature and behavior of the subatomic universe?
    http://lifestyle.inquirer.net/285916/matter-ultimately-consist/

  • Axil Axil

    Hydrinos and metallic hydrogen are similar in that they both are a special form of hydrogen with an electrons very close to the nucleus. But the way these two ideas work is like night and day.

    Metallic hydrogen is a quantum mechanical based molecule of many atoms that form a particle like crystal.

    The hydrino is a single atom with a below QM base level orbit.

    The hydrino is not nuclear based and does not produce transmutation of elements, but metallic hydrogen does produce nuclear effects which always generates transmutation.

    So for the LION reactor where transmutation is happening, we are not looking at hydrinos, but what I assume to be the effects of metallic hydrogen.

  • artefact

    ‘O’ Day is when Bob releses his ideas about how LENR and many other things work.

  • Axil Axil

    I would be interested in adding a variation on the LION experiment. The diadisks would be exposed to high voltage electrostatic field between two electrodes on either end of the alumina tube.

    The field would be in the 50 to 100 KV range as documented in the Rossi patent.

    I am interested if this high voltage field changes the nature of the soliton possible from a dipole to a monopole.

  • Axil Axil

    Like Hawking, some people have speech impediments…stuttering…hard to understand…stroke victim poor english and many other speech problems.

  • Axil Axil

    The requirement to soak the Daidisks for a month to activate them for active LENR behavior speaks against the idea that diamond produces a special type of behavior or effect regarding electrons and low work function. The low work function is a integral behavior of the material and id not sensitive to the time that the material is exposed to hydrogen. A long soak time is related to the interaction between hydrogen and diamond.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I wonder if the diamonds survived the experiment. Particularly, at higher temperatures might happen something like this:

      C + D2O -> CO + D2

      • Axil Axil

        Bob has shown us a video of the diadisks coming out of the reactor. many of the diamonds were detached from the nickel.

        I would be interested to see if the nickel substrate is required.

        Rather than removing the diadisks from the abrasive, why not use loose industrial diamonds as the LENR agent.

        https://www.ebay.com/itm/10-carats-lot-100-Natural-Loose-Rough-Diamonds-White-1-20-1-80mm-Raw-Uncut-Real/322627992365?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48419%26meid%3D40ddd7e3d5554ab9b12f8c1252b0c57e%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D12%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D162510499440%26itm%3D322627992365&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851

        https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/WscAAOSwzhVWtK8c/s-l500.jpg

        10 carats lot 100% Natural Loose Rough Diamonds White 1.20-1.80mm Raw Uncut Real

        Price:
        US $23.92

        • Alan Smith

          There is a team experimenting with loose industrial diamonds without AFAIK much success.

          • The Director

            A few issues with such loose diamonds.

            – The diamonds must have an adequate connection to the nickel to draw heat.

            – Just mixing them in with the powder, undoped, likely won’t work for a number of reasons. The diamonds will get covered with nickel and their surface will have little exposure to hydrogen.

            – The lithium aluminum hydride will melt and cover the diamond surface at low temp before the high temps needed for hydrogen doping are achieved.

            There are several solutions available.

            I hope they implement them.

          • Axil Axil

            As far as I know, lithium aluminum hydride is not used in the LION experiment. The diadisks are loaded into the alumina tube in ambient air.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are right Axil,

            The experiment is safe to prepare and can be done with basic skills

          • Axil Axil

            The cookbook that LION has developed is unique and is unlikely to be duplicated.

            The week of low intensity heating may be critical in the LENR activation process. Then there is a month of soaking in DO…who would duplicate that?

            The process that almost every experimenter does not do is long duration exposure to the LENR activation process.

            There is also matching the size of the diamond particle used in the LION experiment.

            The closest way to get to the character of the diamond used by LION is to use the grit size that LION uses. I beleive that grit size may be 350 microns.

            http://file.en.yalongdiamond.com/hybrid/57bc11b1cfc3b.png

          • Alan Smith

            Actually the closest way to get to the character of the diamonds that LION uses is to use the same source. Mine arrived today btw.

            You mustn’t overlook the fact that these diamonds have a particular ‘history of preparation’ already- plating onto the pads, possible acid-washing, all sorts of things have happened to them already that we cannot characterise without knowing all about the diadisk manufacturing process. This history may be vital, it may not be, but the way to replicate is first of all to imitate.

            This is not the moment to start out trying different things just because we can.

          • Axil Axil

            A study of the surface of the LION diamond particle with a SEM could inform many of the question that you have introduced here. I would be interested in seeing if there are pits in the nanometer size range on the surface of the diamond particles or if there is nickel on that surface.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I have 3 possible places to do that – closes date is week after next.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Great to hear you have the key raw material – have you got some D2O?

          • Alan Smith

            Yes Bob -about 100ml.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Wonderful!

            Soonest I can get access to SEM/EDS is late next week – but it is the most expensive option – $250 per hour.

          • Hi Bob

            We can use a national lab in Europe or a lab on the American west coast if MFMP is interested. That would take price consideration out of your evaluation, however that might then further prolong the wait for a test result.

            If not now we can do that for the next batch of samples if they are promising. It will be great to see several groups working together to support Lion forward.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I think I will do the initial 80% win look at Masaryk, despite the high cost, as they were there all through the journey last year.

            I will focus on the Diapad before and after and the LION 2 reactor + Hutchison Sample 18

          • Axil Axil

            You are contradicting you own posit that The low work function is unique and singular factor in LENR reactivity. If changes on the surface of the diamonds that are produced by manufacturing steps are important or even decisive then experiments using diamonds of like character that have bit be exposed to those manufacturing steps would be informative.

            If the low work function is critical in initiating LENR activity then experiments using all the cookbook steps that use unprocessed diamonds will expressly and immediately expose that fact.

            The diamond grit is very inexpensive and the LION cookbook is rudimentary and easily performed. Anybody can do this experiment type of experiment and contribute to Edistonian communal experiment.

          • Alan Smith

            I’m not contradicting anything Axil. ‘singular and unique’ is something you have thought up, I never said that.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We will be using diamond lapping powder in NOVA testing.

        • Bob Greenyer

          When I suggested using industrial diamond/nickel matrix in march 2014 to ensure it could not be patented, I did it based on MFMP and Celani results during 2013 on his 2L diamond coated constantan wire. The Nickel is good at dissociating Hydrogen/Deuterium and this is very important with H* and D+ being the respectively important species. Diamond plays its role as an electron emitter. One of my main reasons for putting the precise idea into the public domain was due to the high debye of Diamond. In addition, Celani added minute amounts of acetone which resulted in the growth of dendritic carbon nano-tubes on his wires which also seemed to produce better results, this is all well documented.

          Additionally, later in 2015 I understood and messaged widely about the importance of the Nickel isotopes – especially 62 because of its stability.

          Now I know there is additional aspects that makes this work and will message in ‘O Day’

          Having said that, Bob Higgins suggested last year that we use diamond lapping powder in NOVA, which is a good approach.

          I now know categorically that LION, NOVA and Hutchison Effect work on the same principles – I say this unreservedly and with utter confidence and in the case of NOVA carbon with trace elements was being used.

          • Axil Axil

            Diamond have a hexagonal crystal structure. I beleive that this is important because this crystal structure filters the chirality of the photons and electrons that pass through that bond topology.

            One of the reasons why the SmCo7 magnet is LENR active is the fact the Samarium is a chiral material and produces magnetic chiral dichroism (EMCD). This means that the magnetic field generates a separation of particles based on handedness, This chiral imbalance is what produces the LENR reaction inside nuclions.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICjPrccZMc

    • Alan Smith

      “… not sensitive to the time that the material is exposed to hydrogen”.

      I presume that you mean deuterium? Also I suggest you read the literature on the effect of dopants including hydrogen and deuterium on the work function of diamonds before claiming that there is no sensitivity “to the time that the material is exposed….”

      • Axil Axil

        Dopants on the surface of diamond might be something that a SEM study can determine. But we need to look at the diamond before it goes into the reactor to preclude any transmutation produced by the LENR reaction.

  • Bob Greenyer

    When John was creating AG effects the active component was very large. In the case of the LIONs they are still very small reletively, however, there is strong evidence that in LION2 some were much larger than in LION.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION demonstrates the effect and is nearly fully described, it is simple and elegant and is fully logical given my understanding – a good number of people have already started preparing replications.

    I believe there is no point saying something if the majority of people will not understand it. This presentation is an all or nothing scenario – too much time has been wasted on people pretending.

    I don’t care if I am wrong, I only care if I am right.

  • georgehants

    Quantum effect spotted in a visible object
    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2010/mar/18/quantum-effect-spotted-in-a-visible-object
    ——–
    Macroscopic quantum phenomena
    Macroscopic quantum phenomena refer to processes showing quantum behavior at the macroscopic scale, rather than at the atomic scale where quantum effects are prevalent. The best-known examples of macroscopic quantum phenomena are superfluidity and superconductivity; other examples include the quantum Hall effect and concerted proton tunneling in ice.[1] Since 2000 there has been extensive experimental work on quantum gases, particularly Bose–Einstein Condensates.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macroscopic_quantum_phenomena

  • georgehants

    Science News
    Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality
    REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998–One of
    the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated
    philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of
    watching, the observer affects the observed reality.
    In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp.
    871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now
    conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of
    electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment
    revealed that the greater the amount of “watching,” the greater the
    observer’s influence on what actually takes place.
    https://www.sciencedaily.co

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks Danny,

    I firmly believe that LION is simple enough that many people will be able to prepare their own samples in short order to analyse.

    Something very weird – but VERY enlightening is going on in the SEM sessions. I am trying to arrange SEM/EDS for LION2 at the moment. I will reveal my findings in ‘O Day’ – I have given enough clues here for those that have ears to hear.

    Whether or not LION process is related to Hydrino, and in my opinion at best Hydrino if it exists, is only a sub-set, it is increasingly my position that the Sun operates on the same principles – as does ‘star in a jar’ sonofusion.

  • georgehants

    Current position of the gravity situation.
    ———-
    Physics World
    Quantum gravity could be probed by entangled masses.
    Jan 15, 2018
    The elusive, yet seemingly inevitable, quantum nature of gravity may
    finally be demonstrated experimentally. Two separate groups in the UK; Chiara Marletto and Vlatko Vedral at the University of Oxford, and a team led by Sougato Bose
    from University College London, have proposed experiments that may for
    the first time reveal a link between the theories of quantum mechanics
    and general relativity.
    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2018/jan/15/quantum-gravity-could-be-probed-by-entangled-masses

    • Max Nozin

      Are you aware that the experiment described in the link is in proposal stage?
      It is right to certain degree that the world is exactly the picture human mind paints for you.
      So if there is a group of people who thinks it consists of nothing there is nothing wrong with it.
      The problem is that those guys demand public funding to pay for confirmation of their thought experiments. Coincidentally, they are mostly mathematicians who are lacking engineering skills to set the experiments properly
      What they are also lacking is a simple logic which tells them that they don’t have unobtrusive direct way to observe quantum state of photon.
      They should first solve a simple problem of how to measure gas in a tank without a measurement stick which will definitely change the state of gas in the tank.
      After that they can keep feeding us mind boggling heresy about rules of quantum word be different from macro, 5 and N-th dimensions discovery etc.
      Instead they did learn how to exploit news platforms to increase public exposure and call for more funding.

      • georgehants

        So the Quantum experimentalists and theorists have achieved nothing so far.

        • Max Nozin

          Given a critical review may not be much assuming the claim that they got deepest insights into the world out of all.
          Any discussion about merits of QM triggers typical response ‘ if it weren’t for QM we would not have transistors!’ and so on.
          From an article you posted here it looks that they are even trying to present QM as disruptive science threatening to destroy established paradigm. Are they so afraid of a few scientist who call them fake science?

  • Bob Greenyer

    We may have to re-visit human History – get prepared…

    https://youtu.be/QYQCVrxdtfw

    • georgehants

      Absolutely Wonderful, I suppose we will have to go through the usual disbelief, establishment science has been and is a disgrace, not worth saying any more, thank you Bob.
      Looking forward to any confirming Evidence that you can add on “O” day

      • Bob Greenyer

        I really think you are the best equipped person to handle ‘O’ day

      • Bob Greenyer

        My brother can read rune

        • Frost*

          Bob, have you ever read the novel Decipher by Stel Pavlou? It’s right up your street and touches on many of the types of things you have been eluding to. Chi, Pyramids, Ancient wisdom, gravity waves, tunnels made of C60 and even Atlantis etc.

          I’m surprised it hasn’t become a movie by now.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not read it, but thanks for the tip off.

    • Toussaint françois

      Thanks bob nice find !

  • Bob Greenyer

    For some it may help explain so much, for others, it will shock them to the core.

  • Bob Greenyer

    If you agree with my realisation, I am not sure I could overplay this enough.

  • NCY

    lol… nothing to see here, metal table with induced electric charge. Don’t be disingenuous with titles.

  • Axil Axil

    It is hard to say if those unexpected effects are gravitational. These effects could be caused by negative mass. If a particle has negative mass, when a force is applied to that paticle is is attracted to the force rather than being pushed away be that force..

    Polaritons have negative mass.

    http://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/vamivakas-microcavity-negative-mass-generate-lasers-290202/

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    What do you see in this photo, processed 8 Feb 2018, of MFMPs sample 18 that was exposed to the Hutchison Effect, known to cause the same transmutations as LENR.

    Why is this important?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e451d02d7cf4583b2211228dfa6b5032cd48a3dd97e1790ddababa1173563197.jpg

    • Steve H

      De-lamination and conversion of the lattic/structure from metallic to crystalline?

      • Bob Greenyer

        No – download the image and look closely, what do you see.

        I could not believe it when I saw it earlier today – can’t wait to get this under a powerful microscope.

      • Steve H

        On closer inspection, the white powder residue looks similar to the nano-diamonds created with Mark Le-Clair and his water cavitation experiments.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Maybe Steve, It does look like that a bit, will know when look at it next week or the week after with any luck.

          That is not what I am keen for people to see though. Look harder.

          • Frost*

            There are what appears to be circular outlines all over the sample. You can see them when the photo is enlarged a bit.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are getting warmer…

          • artefact

            I see many double holes of same size each.

          • Bob Greenyer

            holes?

          • artefact

            .. tube.. ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Try again

          • artefact

            The tubes that are left from solitons.

          • Steve H

            Apologies Bob. The only other abnormality seem to be blue and purple dots associated with some of the amber deposits. Not sure what this alludes to!

          • Steve H
    • Andreas Moraitis

      I must have missed this MFMP experiment. Is there anywhere a description?

      • Bob Greenyer

        This is a Hutchison Effect sample we have in our possession that was produced in 2007/8 with the equipment that now resides in Germany.

        It is showing several key tells, the full explanation of which will be in ‘O day’

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Without a description of the experiment this photo could mean anything. You mentioned below that aluminium was used. What else? How was the material treated? What has been observed/measured?

          • Bob Greenyer

            This was treated in 2007 with a selection of the equipment now in Germany that I videoed and shared on MFMP Youtube channel.

            More specifically a high voltage source aroung 15 ft from active area and a range of interfering RF each in the milliwatt range. In a dry air environment and on an insulator.

    • John Oman

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/334209178c185af0630348581545fe6a683cc4709632ddd03738e0d20b0125e4.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dbe9fc7d31d8d14504bd77a6011d858d02886b20ccc6f65acc5d573bcf615272.png

      I see lots of overlapping concentric arcs/circles like radiating shock wave from an explosion or ripples from a pebble dropped in a pond. I also see what looks like an out of place arch and perhaps several smaller ones. Or is it piece of clothing fabric/lint. I see a triangular ray pattern… The bright spots confuse me… Emissions? Reflections? What was the lighting for this photo? All diffuse and no point source(s)? Is there a RAW image for download/analysis? I’m curious what the results would look like if the sample had been an aluminum sphere.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Very Good John you are thinking

        “Or the ripples from a pebble
        Someone tosses in a stream”

        Re-Visit the “Windmills of your mind song”

    • Stephen

      In the figure of 8 feature there seems to be a silver deposit in the top left which looks similarity in shape to the dark hole feature in the bottom right.

      Hmmm strangely can’t up load my image…

    • artefact

      Better visible in the original picture
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b820a20223197a48be6887047d157034167c7625357a64535c1198c6951d7379.jpg
      One is also in the pic from Stephen

      • Bob Greenyer

        Love you guys!

    • artefact
      • Stephen

        looking at the shadows in Bobs original picture I think the light source in the region maybe from the bottom right.

        And if I’m right some of those spots look like bumps rather than holes and others look like holes.

        I agree that they do look like they are paired.

        I’m curious what you think?

        Is each pair a bump and a hole? Perhaps with the bump coming from the material removed from the hole?

        • artefact

          It would fit with one beeing the canon. But it is hard for me to see in the “Sample 18” pic.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I don’t think anyone will be disappointed. It is an all or nothing thing, so, whilst I want the story to be as succinct as possible, I want there to be enough in there for those new to the field to get something out of it. Ensuring links to key material.

  • Bob Greenyer

    No, LION 2 is doing same thing as LION 1, just went a little further.

    It is doing the same thing as Hutchison Effect, which itself produces same transmutations as LENR, though Hutchison Effect in many cases is more extreme.

    The NOVA reactor is doing the same thing, so is ECCO. Getting the x-rays on the 14th January and seeing them for what they were, unlocked everything.

    All of the signs are there in the images, SEM and EDX. I even predicted the LION temperature profile before it was made public.

    LION is a perfect test bed – I am 100% certain and a good number of people have started replication.

    Spend some time with the videos I have shared and ask yourself – is there really something going wrong with the EDS that the University EDS PHD teacher cannot fathom – or is it just showing an effect? Do not assume it is a bug, consider if it is a feature.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2: Strange Radiation monitoring update

    Over 2 days and still only one track detection – this is looking good for safety of replications, however, we must be aware that this experiment is doing things that people are not normally familiar with.

  • Engineer48

    Interesting video on how D2O is broken into D+ and D- ions and how the D+ ions enter the matrix (example is based on a P&F cell structure) and deuterate it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PnWF7W_IbY

    While I do not support the super wave theory, the video is still a good visual example of how a matrix is deuterated.

    Should add that McKubre has commented there is no relationship between He production and excess heat generation, so the video suggestion that D+D fusion was occurring and producing He inside the matrix is not supported by the experimental data.

    • Axil Axil

      This video in on point until it assumes that fusion is the result of high deuterium packing, What really occurred is that high deuterium packing generates metallic deuterium. This is the active agent of the LENR reaction.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Superwave will make sense in context of ‘O’

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Superwave and Brillouin Q pulse are similar, introducing physical phonon waves in the matrix that distort the cubic matrix structure.

        Things get interesting when the externally cause phonons waves cause matrix resonance.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon

        “In physics, a phonon is a collective excitation in a periodic, elastic arrangement of atoms or molecules in condensed matter, like solids and some liquids.

        Often designated a quasiparticle, it represents an excited state in the quantum mechanical quantization of the modes of vibrations of elastic structures of interacting particles.”

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1809cf5a19a70ff58ad0c608f9ce51e324c74f75621608c824a694ae1fa4b05a.png

        • Bob Greenyer

          This is one of the main reasons I proposed industrial diamonds / nickel matrix in 2014.

          But it is more than that.

          As above, so below.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Letts dual laser experiment strongly suggested that the lasers were exciting various phonon modes that triggered phonon waves in the matrix.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1e739a3e2e838a844bae679829f857313a8076c4e40a9b67ed5a1555d9253dfd.png

            Of course the photons from the lasers did that by impacting matrix atoms & then being emitted via inelastic events that transfered momentum to the matrix, thus creating phonon waves timed to the photon beat freq.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Both photons and phonons can work – why?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Phonons are physical vibrations in the matrix that have a different wavelength depending on the excitation mode.

            Just as a waveguide must be excited with a certain photon freq to obtain efficient propogation of photons through the waveguide, so to must phonons be excited with a certain matrix vibrational freq to obtain efficient propogation of phonons through the matrix.

            While phonons do not travel outside the matrix, they can generate IR photons as they represent energy input / heating of the matrix.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

          • causal observer

            On watching the Deuterium loading video, something went click in my brain. When I got to the above slide, it had spread into a mild fervor: the multiple theories, the multiple apparatus approaches, the multiple research groups, the many papers. The hunting-in-packs mammal brain has been turned on to LENR, and the game is afoot.

          • Axil Axil

            The deuterium atoms accumulates in nanoscale pits and are gradually compressed by quantum mechanical confinement. When the deuterium atom is confined in a small place, the pressure on that atom goes up without limit through the hindenburg uncertainty principle. Every new atom that enters the pit brings added pressure. It is similar to the way a take of compressed air accumulates pressure as air is pumped into it. As additional atoms enter the nanopit, the higher the pressure goes until a metallic form of hydrogen forms. It is this crystal that is LENR active.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Closer

          • Axil Axil

            And yet, the LION experiment did not use this laser excitation method. It may be that this method just accelerates the hydrogen accumulation process but time, that is, long duration works just as well.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The lasers are playing a different role

          • Axil Axil

            The laser provides the KERR effect which transforms the flux tube from its dipole state to its monopole state. It is this state of the soliton that is more powerful and produces the rabbet tracts on the surface of the substrate.

            “When the power reaches a threshold, the total coupling strength of the two propagating waves is modulated to zero due to the coherent nonlinear cross-mode effects, so that the original state with balanced CW and CCW components becomes unstable and then spontaneously transfers to the symmetry-breaking regime.”

            Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-01-physicists-spontaneous-symmetry-optical-microcavity.html#jCp

            https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/csz/news/800/2017/1-physicistsob.jpg

        • causal observer
  • Axil Axil

    As a future possible improvement of the LION experiment, I suggest that a potassium or lithium salt be added to the deuterium during the month long soak. As developed by Holmlid, the amount of potassium should correspond to a 7% loading with regards to the concentration of the potassium salt added.

    Lithium hydroxide
    Potassium hydroxide

    • Bob Greenyer

      I concur

  • Bob Greenyer

    Alan does not know what run that was from – I can see it is from an active run.

    None of the questions are relevant to if it does or does not exhibit tell-tale signs of undergoing LENR process – I can unequivocally say it has undergone LENR.

    LENR can produce electricity, extreme cooling in addition to excess heat and more.

  • Bob Greenyer

    You have got the right idea, well done keep looking.

    What is it that you see?

    BTW – I took this photo less than 24 hours ago based on a hunch – this is THE SLAM DUNK and I am itching to get it under SEM – but I will likely release ‘O Day’ before that is done.

    • Stephen

      There is all kinds of stuff going on in that picture as sgm, Steve and Frost are noting… not sure what to make of it.

      It does look like there are some double spots at all kinds of scales from very small pair down the bottom of the picture to some pairs that look to follow an almost spiral path between the yellowish areas. Some of those pairs look like they could be related to the woody like texture and may also be an artifact of that but others seem independent of that texture and more like what you have spotted before on the LION device. Is this what you are identifying?

      I find the yellow/white circular features and semi circular arcs noted by Steve and Frost really curious too… what’s going on there? Those yellow and white arcs also seem to form two independent circles in the two yellows areas too. But that might be just impressions I suppose.

      Bob can you tell us what this material is made of in this sample? Is it wood? Of some processed metal?

      • Stephen

        In the center of the right hand yellow area just below the blue and purple dots noted by Steve there seems to be a cone or circlular area of different material and texture .. possibly with a small hole in the center of it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        This sample was industrially pure aluminium bar stock of rectangular section with the wide width around 10mm (need to confirm, but that is ballpark)

      • Bob Greenyer

        Well done for nearly getting the circular features.

        • Stephen

          Musical Hemisphere’s and John Oman’s finds are remarkable.

          I was focused on the whole regions but these details and consistency in structures they have found are really fascinating.

          This is crowd science at work amazing stuff.

          The more people who look and show what they find the more is uncovered and understood.

          Fascinating.

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is more there – keep looking!

      • Stephen

        I wonder about the yellowish material is this some sulphate or iron contamination of some chloride? Or something?

        I have no knowledge about minerolgy . I’m curious what E48 thinks about it?

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2: Strange Radiation monitoring update

    Over 3 days and still only one track detection – feeling good about this.

    If no more tracks by late Saturday European central time, it might be a good idea to do another live YouTube session, cracking into the main area of the core that is fused to the foamed alumina.

  • Axil Axil

    I see bright white and orange circular dots that do not look like reflections but more like energy in the form of light production.

    • artefact

      Saw one, too. Two pixels wide in a hole that has a partner hole very close to it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    HUGE THANK YOU to those in this community that have donated to the MFMP in the past days allowing us to take the earliest (if most expensive) option to do SEM/EDS on LION 2.

    Alan Smith is sending some new 3M Diapad disks to be tested alongside those that came out of LION 2.

    In addition, we will look at Hutchison Sample 18.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Fantastic – that is one part…

  • Engineer48

    Mike McKubre’s summary of over 1,000 man years of research into LENR.

    Cold Fusion (LENR) One Perspective on the State of the Science

    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHcoldfusionb.pdf

    All of us need to read what he has observed and reported on.

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    Will your theory explain how and why 4HE is being produced from the Deuterium loaded in the matrix and why there are no associated byproducts such as gamma rays?

    https://t.co/4CIqmKUCZu?amp=1

    • Quantum Gravity Research has now further increased their teams of researchers. They are working right now from an idea of creating a quantum mechanical engine on a molecular level. The idea is really smart – using mathematics to cheat God.

      They intend to engineer (very) smart structured matter – coincidentally enough, simultaneously to Lion they are working from the theoretical idea of using Nickel, Hydrogen and Carbon.

      If the Lion experiment can be repeated at will, this will all blow out of proportions very soon.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Good news is that Nickel / Diamonds in LENR CANNOT be patented, I waived that in March 2015.

        • georgehants

          Morning Bob, how many other stupid patents do you think you will be able to prevent with your “O” day knowledge?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Most of them

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think you will see how that can happen. It will be pretty darn obvious – no maths required

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Physics is math.

        Over 1,500 man years of research have gone into trying to understand how 2 deuterons in a matrix can combine to create a 4HE atom and release 23.8 MeV as heat into the matrix, instead of releasing a 23.8 MeV gamma into the lab and killing everybody in the room.

        Pretty damn obvious and no maths required?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yep

  • Alan Smith

    Just looked at my LION control. 18 hours at around 1000C so far, and still only a few degrees higher in the wire-wrapped tube port, which I am pretty sure is due to slightly lower circulation of atmosphereic convection currents in the slightly more confined space around it.
    There is one development however, in that the wire-wrapped tube appears to have welded itself to the quartz liner- possibly due to slow migration of copper/copper oxide into the quartz- or perhaps the other way around.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/46c94651ca3d39dd1b98cb232826e1f7da8d8256252ccaca1fe076a03e66e360.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      Very important finding, of course, your temperature is 150 – 200ºC higher than LION 1 or 2 and very close to the melting point of copper.

      • Alan Smith

        There will be another run at 800C starting saturday. Right now I’m hunting chemical effects, so hotter is a good place to start.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Wonderful – all good tests – the test you are doing will show an upper limit.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      „[…] which I am pretty sure is due to slightly lower circulation of atmospheric convection currents in the slightly more confined space around it.“

      That’s one reason why the ‘comparative thermometry’ method should not be taken too seriously. Another one is the possible formation of hot spots in the active runs. Finally, only calorimetry (as practiced in the MFMP’s test of the me356 reactor) will provide reliable data.

      But of course there are many points beyond the energy question that might be of interest.

      • Alan Smith

        Hi Andreas.

        This experiment does not require calorimetry to any order of precision. The reactor itself has been calibrated to an accuracy of 1C difference between ports at 1000C. The current discrepancy is of the order of 8C, which represents a percentage difference of 0.8, and is hardly significant.

        If this was an experiment requiring accurate calorimetry then both control and test tubes would be wrapped in the same amount of Cu Wire. The Model T is a simple system, but incredibly well characterised, and has never been known to yield significant or ‘non-obvious’ errors in any of several hundred experiments performed using it performed in my own laboratory and in those of 2 scientific institutions who have found it very useful as a ‘petri dish’ for testing various fuel mixes.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          My comment was not meant as a critique in your – much appreciated – approach. More as sort of a prophylaxis against possible overreactions on the side of some enthusiastic readers.

          Certainly, even without ‘classic’ calorimetry the results could be good enough, especially if the active reactor would stay in SSM for a longer period of time.

          • Alan Smith

            It certainly would. From my knowledge of the system, I can estimate conservatively (based on only a little data) that LION2 produced something between 2 and 4kWh of anomalous heat during the SSM period.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            2-4 kWh is about the energy content of 50-100 g hydrogen. So if true, the output might already have exceeded the ‘chemical limit’.

          • Alan Smith

            It surely did.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Alan,

      Can you please explain what is in each reactor chamber?

      I assume identical quarts outer tubes with identical heater wire wound around the outside?

      Do you have photos of each fuel tube, what is wrapped around them, what is inside the fuel tubes, any gas injected into the tubes & how they are sealed?

      • Engineer48
        • Alan Smith

          That is smoke/tar deposits from the polyester lacquer on the Cu wire.

          • Alan Smith

            To add- the smoky deposits have almost entirely vanished, presumably oxidised away.

      • Alan Smith

        Both tubes are empty except for a 10cm long K-type thermocouple. They are not sealed, but the TC is a close fit. One os wrapped in 2 layers of Cu Wire, and has a pure silver foil coat over the bottom 25mm… same spec as used by LION, the other is not wrapped.and has no coating. A control for a control.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          Excellent.

          Do expect the copper wire wrapped tube to measure higher internal temperature as the copper and oxide should be a better absorber of the photons from the heater coil than the white plain alumina tube.

          • Alan Smith

            It actually does- averaging around 8C – but I suspect that this has to do with slightly less convective cooling in a tube containing a bulkier specimen.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Alan,

            The black oxidised copper is closer to a true black body surface than a white alumina tube.

            The closer the surface is to a black body, the more photons it will absorb and the hotter it will get.

          • Alan Smith

            I understand that entirely – but of course there are other factors – most particularly the fact that the wire-wrapped tube has a greater surface area. And of course, black bodies are exceptionally good emitters.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes, yes it will.

    How did we get so stupid?

  • Engineer48

    Hi Hal,

    Need to add the 23.8 MeV of energy that is released per 4HE atom created.

    If released as normal as a 23.8 MeV gamna ray, well folks die.

    If however the 23.8 MeV is released, some how, as heat into the matrix, well then things get hot.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Now you are starting to enjoy yourselves.

    We are ALL going to have SO MUCH FUN this year

    Gloomy days of the NEW FIRE are over – and this community will be at the forefront.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Did you see the other sample I posted of Hutchisons, VERY much larger with the wood sinking into it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    There are so many tells in that piece of wood.

  • Alan Smith

    Some more photos by popular demand. Diamonds at 250X, a silver-coated fuel tube, and one also wrapped in 2 layers of 0.50mm Cu wire. Finally, a close up of the reactor, showing how the tarry carbon-deposits on the RH port caused by burning off the polyester coating on the copper wire wrapping have now oxidised away after 27 hours at close to 1000C.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9bbfa2f642360bedb73e1056bd051a2a5bca436b4cc55ad6a9523c6283e93a1a.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/477221400312a7c68ac809ea76cce5ce2f3de5f40863aef5bb04c53e7313a281.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9450cd53c9bd20a0e7fac62ea7ce24bfc7ba590365045710496a727fc11d1e5.jpg

    • Engineer48

      Hi Alan,

      Thanks.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    A comparison between light and heavy water would be interesting – not only because their thermal properties are very similar, but also their chemical behaviour. A significant difference in the results would be a strong indication.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Or the other way round: Positive results in both cases might indicate rather a (neo-)chemical than a nuclear process.

      • Bob Greenyer

        You will always get some D in Light commercial light water and Vice Versa.

        The ion species will be different in play with my current understanding, however, D will be easier to get one part of the process kicked off and in the right state to move to the second development stage.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Yes, there are always impurities, but if the isotopic species were essential one should see the difference. Anyway, analysis will be tricky – every detail could be important.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You can do LENR in dry air using static fields and low power EM interference – that is categorically proved by Hutchison over nearly 4 decades.

            What LION is, is a quick way to do it and D and Diamonds and the 12C and Ni that goes with it all make it far easier.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            So how does Hutchinson deuterate his matrix, get 2 matrix deutrons to combine to form 4HE and avoid the emission of a 23.8 MeV gamma?

          • Bob Greenyer

            NO NEED

            You are assuming generally accepted particle physics

          • Engineer48

            Bob,

            There are ~1,500 MAN YEARS of experimental evidence showing deutrons in a matrix combine to produce 4He atoms and release 23.8 MeV of energy, per combination, as heat, instead of a 23.8 MeV gamna, into the matrix.

            Will your “O Day” theory explain how this occurs?

            For all the people that created the ~1,500 man years of experimental data, this is the BIG Question, The Main Event that existing physics struggles to explain.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

          • Axil Axil

            At its very core, there is only one cause of the LENR reaction, and it is not primarily fusion. Fusion cannot happen in bacteria, magnetically induced LENR, or transmutation that occurs the crop of chickens. A full understanding of the LENR reaction must cover all instances of LENR. LENR produced by hgh palladium loading is just a very small instance of the total LENR picture.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            ~1,500 man years of experimental data that supports matrix loaded deutrons combining to form 4He and 23.8 MeV of heating of the matrix is not a small instance.

            Please supply experimental data on other LENR processes that exceed ~1,500 man years.

            I suggest this LENR process needs to be fully explained before other less frequently replicated so called LENR processes are explained.

            If O Day cant explain the ~1,500 man years of experimental matrix deuterated excess heat without gammas data then it fails.

            If O Day focuses on “Crop Circles” then it fails.

          • Axil Axil

            Doing a ton of work on trying to get a bad idea to work does not make that idea right.

            I posted above about the power production and associated transmutation seen in Safire. That LENR reaction occurs without a matrix…just a protium plasma and a He3 transmutation product…not fusion.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Deutrons in a matrix do combine, note I did not say fuse, to form 4He and deliver 23.8 MeV of heating energy to the matrix.

            Proven fact. So accept it and move on.

            As this reaction has massive experimental data to back it up, please stop down grading it’s importance.

            Time to step up to the plate and explain how it occurs.

            Not with words but equations. You know maths, the real language of physics.

          • Axil Axil

            These reactions quark based are explored by computer simulations…over my head.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It does not happen in the expected way.

            No maths required – sure someone can do the maths, but it NOT required to understand the truth.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Physics is math.

            CofE rules.

          • Bob Greenyer

            nature says what is possible, not man made rules

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            There are no man made rules in physics. Instead physics is based on observing nature and creating equations that match observations.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I guess they are gonna have to get out the equations that describe what will be painfully obvious in ‘O Day’

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Bring it on.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Getting there – just looking and double checking.

            The Hutchison samples are a gold mine for information – so I want to look at them in context with the LION reactors and the ash from NOVA and ECCO – ALL show the same tells.

            I believe sample 18 will give the data to provide the irrefutable evidence of what I realised a few days after being provided the ‘two spots’ x-ray on 14th Jan.

          • georgehants

            Engineer48, True in theory but the holy priests of science have been making rules that only the very brave would break for thousands of years.
            For most scientists there can be no Cold Fusion, Telepathy, UFO’s etc etc.etc. not because of Research or observation but brain dead indoctrination.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No matrix is required.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Await that data.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Sure

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            So we should abandon the 1,500 man years of experimental data of excess heat generation in a deuterated matrix because you can’t explain it?

            Sorry but that data is real and the measured excess heat needs to be explained.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It will be, but not in the way it has.

          • Stephen

            If the 23.8 MeV is all converted to phonons. Then for an single event this will give a lower limit on the matrix or nano/micro crystal size with out it melting or vaporizing.

            If that 23 MeV energy is consumed by throwing off the Hydrogen/Deuterium/Lithium Ions from the surface like water from a wet dog due to resonant non thermal effects. Then since this is a global surface effect this depends on the number of adsorbed ions and the work function of the material. But also results in a upper size limit of the surface and consequently the particle beyond which there would not be enough energy to throw off the ions.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Stephen,

            I think it was McKubre that calculated the excess heat per voulme of matrix vs deutron loading factor vs 23.8 MeV relessed per pair of deutros vs matrix temp.

            He found a very high coorelation with the above vs the measured heat generated.

            So not a surface effect but driven by the total number of deutrons deep inside the matrix.

          • Stephen

            Yes for platinum/palladium I forget which they used that seems very likely to me too. I understand it is a sponge for hydrogen absorption. I did not realise McKubre made these calculations. I should look them up.

            I once made a back of envelope calculation assuming hydrogen was adsorbed on Nickel surface using basic models and theory. Assuming a single event of few to a few 10s MeV (typical of nuclear energy transitions associated with fusion or isomer transitions, Mossbauer spectroscopy etc) I was quite surprised how similar in size and surface area the particals needed to be for thermal stability and surface particle ionisation effects like I described were to those associated at one time with LENR. It might just be a curious coincidence though.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION Replication tip

    MFMP Volunteer Alan Goldwater has developed a way to cleanly and easily remove the diamond impregnated discs from the 3M Diapads

    https://youtu.be/LTktzief7VE

  • Bob Greenyer

    We know what they were not, his Model T could not go much above 1000ºC.

    So for the Alumina to have been ‘eaten away’ in LION 2 something strange had to happen.

    • Bruce__H

      It doesn’t need to be LENR-related though. This is what controls are for.

  • Musical Hemispheres

    Hm, snakes head…
    I’ve been staring at the LION-J and LION-K images (Bob posted https://goo.gl/yWhD65) for so long, that I started to see a self-portrait of the LION reactor in it. And now I can not un-see it…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6914245fe357093cb31add11b9ce510b7b833f51685df93b87d43d331b263d9.png

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Replication Baking Diamond Pads

    Alan Goldwater starts bake out of prepared Nickel / Diamond Pads

    https://youtu.be/fu-x-JS6sBQ

  • artefact

    If you zoom in your last Image there are holes everywhere. But it is hard to tell if they belong together as they are of equal size.

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, does Lion, Alan Smith, etc. know the details of your “O” day presentation or are you the only one?

    • Alan Smith

      I know nothing.

    • Bob Greenyer

      A range of completely unconnected people that I don’t have contact details for in multiple countries and that are not connected to this community have been given the details.

      No person that could accidentally try to capitalise on this knowledge has had the full picture.

      What I have realised, no one person, entity or nation has the right to own.

      • georgehants

        As you know I could not agree with your sentiments more, this World is a sad place for most, based on greed and selfishness both for riches and power.
        Only caring and sharing can ever hope to advance the human race beyond it’s present primitive position.
        I pray spiritually that your “O” day will help in that transition, to bring a relief from the unfair and unnecessary man-made death and suffering that many endure.
        Best

        • Bob Greenyer

          I don’t think you will be disappointed.

  • Thomas Baccei

    Question for Bob G.
    What are the military / weaponization implications of “O”? I fear the EVA vortexes ( = “O” ) would almost certainly have the potential to be just as destructive as they have of being constructive. IMHO be very careful: if you are really on to something, then you MUST know that others are already on to it, and they will not let you publish (nor anyone else) directions for homemade death rays – if you are NOT on to something they will happily let you make an ass of yourself.

    • Axil Axil

      Directed muon beam weapons.

      The prospects of developing a muon beam weapon to disable enemy missiles is now certain and possibly disrupt nuclear fissile material. Muons as product of the LENR reaction can be formed into a tight beam and projected for many kilometers through the atmosphere with little attenuation. The muon beam will disrupt the electronics in missile guidance and control by catalyzing a zoo of other subatomic particles which are disruptive to electronic equipment and other nuclear processes.

      Muons have little effect on the light elements that comprise the human body by a factor of a million.

      http://www.im2np.fr/news/articles/RADECS2012_Muons_Proceedings.pdf

      Effects of Low Energy Muons on Electronics: Physical Insights and Geant4 Simulation

      The mechanism of negative muon capture and its effects on the occurrence of SEU in a 65nm SRAM circuit has been evaluated. Our simulation results show that negative muons with energies around 0.4 MeV can be stopped and captured in the vicinity of the sensitive drain region, then inducing upsets via nucleus evaporation which emits charged fragments (mainly silicon transmutation products: Al, Mg, Na ions, protons and alpha particles).

      https://www.lenr-forum.com/attachment/1829-pasted-from-clipboard-png/

      3D distribution inside the SRAM circuit of the vertex positions related to the negative muon capture reactions for three different values of the incident muon kinetic energy: 0.1 MeV (white dots), 0.3 MeV (yellow dots) and 0.5 MeV (green dots).

      A very low energy damped muon beam can disable a missile in the lunch phase causing a lunch fissile. Now that muons have been produced in large quantities, their controlled concentration and projection is easily accomplished via known particle beam control technologies. An array of LENR muon sources like the QX could be configured to produces 10e25 muons per second. Such large volumes of muons can easily counter any atmospheric attenuation that might be encountered between the particle beam weapon and the missile.

      Muons cannot be shielded. In fact shielding results in enhanced production of neutrons, protons, alphas, and neutral particle fragments.

      Muon based weapons may already be in active use in counter missile interdiction tasks. The major world powers are on the brink of being able to easily project pure energy at their foes. Instantaneous, mostly untraceable weapons that could be fired from kilometers away will change international politics. Once that happens, the future will truly be here. Will the major world powers allow the active components of such a potent defensive weapon to be made available in the commercial market place when such a weapon will make nuclear tipped intercontinental missiles obsolete?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Even a knife is dangerous – it is intent of the holder that matters.

      Understanding the implications of ‘O Day’ will remove most of the reasons to perpetrate bad intentions.

      The basis for ‘O Day’ has a different intention, though for sure that can / will be misdirected by those that wish to. Since ‘O Day’ is a realisation about something that always was – as it can only be given that it is timeless, it most certainly has been used in nefarious ways, either knowingly or not.

      The real risk will come from those for whom the extreme change will be very hard to adapt to, that being said, no man should hold dominion over another.

  • Stephen

    I wonder if there is some analogies here?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-42979043

    After reading the article I don’t think they have really explained everything yet in their context… solar flares, magnetic reconnection and coronal heating have been hot topics for years. This may be part of its characteristerisation but in my opinion it is not yet an explanation…

    But the part that might be interesting in this context is the structures they talk about… the magnetic flux ropes and the cages.

    Since it just came up I thought it might be interesting.

    • Stephen

      If the double hole features and plasma solinoid flux tubes are related to the loops.

      Do we see other patterning that maybe relates to the cages?

    • artefact

      “The rope is confined within the magnetic cage. If the cage is strong, it
      can contain the rope’s contortions, but when the cage is weak, an
      eruption can take place.”
      Bob said the reaction needs input energy to stay save. It could be a cage that needs to be kept up.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Very good, what is the cage? What is it keeping up/in?

        • artefact

          Electrons. A flow of electrons passing by in one direction.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What are electrons?

            Are they unique?

            What is matter?

          • artefact

            Quarks – Leptons – Energy

            Yes and no. They are energy like all other things. But they are also unique for their respective quark generation

            Waves or vibrations

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            The Higgs Boson gives fermions inertial mass via interaction with the Higgs field.

            However what we observe as mass is 1% inertial mass and 99% energy as KE acting as mass via m = e / c^2.

    • artefact

      When I saw that image I thought of the K image where there where sometimes many little holes (blue lines) in one or both spots of a pair.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7c85cc4f059292b0755b909d8baaf96c2c657010b6ce6a0cf112fcf6f7668156.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        What is the shape of this cage?

        Think.

        • artefact

          Like a triangle (at least from two sides). Strangely. I would have expected it to be kind of round in structure.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

  • Axil Axil

    One of the strangest type of LENR reactions that I have run across is the Safire reaction where a cathode carries a high voltage to the sides of the positively charged reaction vessel or anode. This setup produces a plasma that can produce explosions of power up to 10 million watts using an energy input of just 1800 watts.

    http://www.electricuniverse.info/wiki/images/thumb/2/2d/Safire_double_layer_shells.jpg/256px-Safire_double_layer_shells.jpg

    Notice the concentric shells of plasma. These plasma shells are called double layers. They are an example of charge separation in the plasma.

    http://www.everythingselectric.com/wp-content/uploads/double-layers-1.jpg

    What separates change in these layers? I beleive this charge separation is produced by the chirality of the hydrogen ions and electrons. The handedness of the spins of this electrons and protons produce a separation by their handedness. This force of chiral particle separation is stronger than the force that brings charges together.

    When enough handedness separation is accumulated in the protons and electrons in the outermost double layer configuration, the LENR reactor occurs and large power output is produced and He3 is produced.

    • Stephen

      Hmm I wonder if the blue loops in the picture in the BBC article below are something similar.

      It also reminds me some how of the different radiation zones in a plasma lamp

      Interesting.

      Chirality sounds interesting.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Chirality is inherent in nature and is important

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil who wrote:
      “This setup produces a plasma that can result in explosions of power up to 10 million watts using an energy input of just 1800 watts.”

      That is a 5,555 COP!

      Your reference, link please, for that amazing claim is?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Perhaps this will help you guys.

    uncompressed 8Bit PNG
    https://goo.gl/q3d3R2

    32 bit per channel HDR built from 7 exposures.
    https://goo.gl/hQF8Hb https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/581a8374ed0740688648d68d864e0974517430f2d3172d66bef01cb4c0187cd4.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    Just got sent this… feel the force

    https://youtu.be/3uXL4_Yas2k?t=20m25s

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bob,

    What will MFMP do to experimentally validate the “O Day” theory.

    Richard Feynman:

    “It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science.”

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a55b90ea8cfa84d093eb8d88edb7404a42a3058f296bdebe8bbf8beee6958da7.png

    • georgehants

      Newton’s theory of gravity was experimentally correct up to the limits of observation at that time and could have stayed that way for eternity if Einstein had not moved beyond present experimentation with his theory, that then turned out to show that Newton’s experimentation was only a stop-gap first step.
      If one stops at present experimental results then one is condemning science to the stone-age.
      only an open-minded progressive position is scientifically or logically justifiable, with the need to be able to learn and change one’s mind the moment new theory’s are put forward to be Experimented on.

      There as Feynman say’s is no place for opinion, just work and wait and see.

      • Engineer48

        Hi George,

        No one is suggesting to stop creating new theories.

        However new theory must be validated by experimental results that match theoretical predictions.

        Even when experiment matches theory, the theory is not proven. Only that the possibility it may be correct increases.

        With LENR we have replicable experimental results that are searching for a theory.

        However any LENR theory must be tested as existing experimental data can not be used to support a new LENR theory.

        Too easy to Cherry Pick data.

        So the O Day theory will need to be tested by new experiments designed to test the detailed predictions the theory generates.

        • Bob Greenyer

          What was gifted to me after seeing the ‘Two Spots’ x-ray and seeing them for what they were, is in so many LENR experiments it is not even funny.

          Just had to look.

        • georgehants

          Engineer48, then you agree, no point in making any comments other than constructive on the Evidence Bob has so far given.
          We wait for his Evidence, theory and then the open-minded work and debate begins.
          In the meanwhile I will stick with old fashioned Hope that Bob is going to change the World for the better.
          Best

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am just a messenger.

          • georgehants

            One day we may know who the constructor of the information that you can message is.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It’s already done – you just can’t see it yet.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        So there is a detailed theoritical explanation how 2 deuterons in a matrix combine, produce a 4He atom and 23.8 MeV of matrix heating?

        Plus there is experimental data showing the level of excess heat that was generated is significant and that no gammas were emitted?

        • Bob Greenyer

          Doesn’t work like that.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            What doesn’t work like that?

            2 matrix loaded deuterons don’t combine to form 4He?

            23.8 Mev of heat energy is not given off when 2 x deuterons combine to make 4He?

            You will not be doing any experiments to prove / validate your theory?

          • Axil Axil

            Fusion may be a secondary reaction that is catalyzed by muons and pions which are produced by meson decay which in turn are the result of nucleon decay.

            When we see holes excavated by the LENR reaction, clearly we are looking at a nucleon decay/reorganization phenomenon.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Does not need a matrix.

            All experiments that ‘Work’ can be evaluated to see if they are in line with the realisation I will present.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hutchison sample 20 “The Knee” shows classic signatures of the process – including the triangles. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adf420ca5b8b21866c384c521dd1b84b1438962dd375ff915fc55b88b7331a1a.jpg

    • georgehants

      Bob, have all these triangles got anything to do with pyramids?

      • Bob Greenyer

        There is a relationship

      • Bob Greenyer

        I am enjoying a glass whilst doing my child care duties

  • georgehants

    SCIENCE PHYSICS

    Scientists Just Stopped An Electron In Its Tracks

    Using a very powerful
    laser, scientists made history and stopped an electron. This successful
    experiment marks an important moment for quantum theory.
    https://interestingengineering.com/scientists-just-stopped-an-electron-in-its-tracks

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    There are two famous LION pairs at the forbidden city complex in the heart of Beijing China.

    The one here has a fullerene ball sitting on a graphene pattern. Underneath the LIONs belly is a diamond pattern.

    In the stonework behind there are counter rotating vortices, moreover, counter rotating vortices make up the mane of the LION.

    One of the two LIONs in the other pair also has a ball under its right foot…

    What pattern is on that ball?

    Why is it important?

    Where else do you see this same pattern? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ea1e74549386f920d759a427bc4c66ffa1c7d1ae63b2a286ea75da85497223d.jpg

    • georgehants

      Carbon 60, Buckyball

    • artefact

      Where else: if you mean the carbon atom (6 electrons) then I also see it on the collar.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – SO MUCH information encoded into these sculptures.

        • Axil Axil

          They all are coincidental. You are not into the ancient astronaut meme are you…where the aliens come to earth and tell the ancient Chinese about LENR tech?

          • Bob Greenyer

            To be in LENR, one has to have an open mind and be prepared to take all inputs and filter out the nonsense.

    • artefact
      • Bob Greenyer

        Very good.

        What is on the ball though?

        What does it mean?

        Where else can you find this?

        • artefact

          A soliton that has the carbon atoms captured?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Warmer, kinda.

            Get a better resolution image and study the pattern on the ball.

        • georgehants

          Penrose tiles.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Need higher resolution image – they are out there.

          • georgehants

            The ideal crystalline structure of graphene is a hexagonal grid.

          • Axil Axil

            All LENR active crystalline structures are hexagonal. These include graphite, rust (iron oxide), diamond, quartz, mica.

            These crystals filter photons and electrons based on handedness. they reflect one spin handedness and transmit the other.

            https://theorie1.physik.uni-erlangen.de/people/gerd/media/2013_chiral_beam_splitter_toc-publ.jpg

          • Engineer48
          • Axil Axil

            IMHO, Palladium is used as a compression material to form metallic hydrogen at high loading.

            Metallic hydrogen is chiral active as a host for polaritons.

            Nickel provides substrate used to form optical cavities uses to form polaritons.

            These materials: Palladium and Nickel are not chiral active in themselves.

            It is the polariton that is chiral active

            Come to think of it, some rare earths are chiral active and will produce the LENR reaction when used in magnets.

          • Bob Greenyer

            And that is under the Fullerene in the first of the two LIONs

          • Axil Axil
          • Bob Greenyer

            And that is exactly what that ball on the golden LION has – but what is the pattern on the Bronze LIONs ball?

          • artefact

            Entangled carbon atoms?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Interesting, closer than you intended.

          • Stephen

            Interlaced graphine sheets?

          • artefact
          • Bob Greenyer

            that will do – now look at the pattern on the ball, what is it? What does it encode? Where else can you see this pattern?

          • georgehants

            Morning Bob, clue time, is the image to be found only in some atomic configuration or somewhere in everyday life?

          • Bob Greenyer

            From the sub atomic to supernovae

            From all life

          • georgehants

            Come on you science guys, we must find it before “O” day.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I want people to find out before ‘O Day’, bearing in mind, I realised long before I took any of the Hutchison Photos that are just nailing this sucker down.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Yup.

            Fermions building all matter and bosons sticking the matter together, carrying EM energy as the Higgs gives the fermions inertial mass.

            Your O Day will use the Standard Model & QM in your explanation or are you going outside existing physics?

          • Bob Greenyer

            understanding from QM is critical to O Day – but you will not need to understand QM.

            All you need is the images and analysis I have shared – each image I take makes the case stronger

          • Stephen

            I’m wondering looking at the analogy or encoding here what ever it is could tell something about the hybridization of the p and s2 electron orbitals in the the structures.

            in particular for the so called sigma bonds that give the crystals and graphine sheets structure.

            I understand that diamonds make use of the van set Waals force to bind layers of carbon. I suppose through the pz orbital?

            What happens under the influence of x rays I wonder? Are the S1 electrons excited to higher orbitals or ejected?

          • Stephen

            Interesting… complete coincidence I guess especially after some of your comments here…. but it looks a bit like what grows out of one of these.

            https://www.google.nl/amp/s/totemist.wordpress.com/2013/01/07/common-onion-as-totem/amp/

          • Stephen
        • invient

          Highest res image of the bronze ball I could find…

          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Beijing_China_Forbidden-City-05.jpg

          IDK what any of this means, but it looks to me to be some kind of magnetic confinement… maybe of some type of entangled set of 12 (the dual humps) of perhaps particle/anti-particle or electron pairs through a ER bridge (the center part)… that perhaps when they enter into a state of decoherence cause all sorts of damage like that seen in the hutchison photos…

          I’ll keep reaching for straws, looking forward to O day

          • Bob Greenyer

            Very good – warmer.

            Try to find an image of the ball under the bronze LION – the one that is less ‘gold’ colour – it is a better carving.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Contingency.

    Plus, the presentation is not finished or recorded and I find that in verbalising things and seeing what people do and do not get and where they need further explanation, I can hone my message to make it easier to get.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The future is very bright

  • coolabuelo

    The left side statue represents Yin force, female, negative, take, carry a cub.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    MFMP John Hutchison sample 15 – Metal Mix

    Has ‘triangles’ at various scales, Schauberger spirals and SO MUCH MORE – very rich pickings showing all the signs of the effect.

    Enjoy! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/322775e2ff760d1fcec3829b75ac6c74ef034c3b560c54c4f468bab997dceea3.jpg

  • Jouni Tuomela
  • Bob Greenyer

    Charlie, it is preparation, not teasing. And it allows people to join me as I flesh out the presentation.

    When it is ‘O Day’, you will understand why it was an all or nothing thing.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hutchison Sample 10 – Ball Burn – Very clear evidence of the effect in this sample.

    Note there is a bit of fibre fluff in a hole in one of the pictures.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4ddbbfb1daa91b004217e3c118e0514b9fac236656a65def58e9e4e2d5a45de3.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b775bb8445cd032095c419452a4826350322e9cd8c817f65e93f530ae32f250f.jpg

  • georgehants

    Thank you Dwayne, just say that what ever it turns out to be it is a beautiful pattern.
    Any idea of when these Lions where constructed?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Such an honour to look at the samples.

    Hutchison Sample 12 – Cut Mushroom

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a10bf9b2f89a715d209edb7985e88783f4c5de7ef1912f3f38c3abb710e16e99.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    Another side of John Hutchison sample 15 – metal mix.

    What pattern can you see, across samples and decades?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b7af19fb5a6c3e8d9ee1dd05fe24d23f7dd355e1b9462ad252295c9883fa0c8.jpg

    • georgehants

      Bob, getting desperate, using the Rorschach test in the blue parts, on the left is an alien grey, in the center a crouching person with a hat, on the right a face with white teeth and a large chin/beard.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Like the dude on the right – Hahah

    • artefact

      Swirls (orange); double holes and tight canions (yellow); cristalisation (red)

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/846fc52e5d5f1f42d8097996ecfcd81a3dc61bb511204adb98ce962815677abd.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        What do they mean?

        • Stephen

          Some of those swirls look like turbulence in a disturbed fluid. Like in the wake of a boat. The also remind me a bit of coastal erosion that is also due to fluid in that case sea water.

          Actually a lot of the features seem consistent with fluid erosion and perhaps deposits.

          Even the crystals would imply a fluid either liquid or vapour to form.

          I wonder if their are deposits that normally would come from a fluid like state if the materials they are made of are consistent with that.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The process makes the material fluid.

          • Stephen

            If that fluid is a plasma or some other charged fluid. Then those counter rotation swirls would cause a magnetic field to be generated between them.

            Like the cage in the sun image in the bbc article I linked earlier.

            Perhaps if these are strong enough some of the plasma/fluid could detach from the surface if that fluid was moving it would perhaps produce magnetic field around it like the “ropes” in the earlier sun image.

            Could this effect be a pre generator for the holes.. And strange radiation?

            Would such an effect be strong enough for the solitons you envisage? I suppose I would depend on the electron density maybe?

          • Bob Greenyer

            What it is strong enough for, I have shared copious evidence of.

            Nature is so simple at its most basic and the diversity is fractal

          • Stephen

            And once you have charges solitons like this they radiate X-Ray’s?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mostly 2KeV electrons, established by shoulders.

          • Stephen

            That starts to sound interesting. Is this enough to knock out some of the internal orbital electrons… I would guess so. It’s not far of some k alpha/ or Lyman emissions for some elements. It would be very intersting to know if the XRays produced were characteristic xrays or more broader spectrum emissions associated with electron acceleration or bremsstrahlung.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Shoulders said up to 50KeV

            This can cause a range of glowing and plasmatic effects, but it is not even close to the main smorgasbord of party tricks

          • Axil Axil

            The solitons need energy to exist and multiply. What is not being addressed is how energy flows from the protons and neutrons in matter into the solitons.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is simpler, think fractal

          • Axil Axil

            To the best of my understanding, quantum mechanics is not based on fractals. You must be assuming that solitons produce other smaller solitons. What might be occurring is that many small solitons combine into larger solitons in a fractal like reaction. This is via the tao effect.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The latter part of your sentence is closer

          • Stephen

            That range is perfect!
            Now I’m curious about the smorgasbord

          • Bob Greenyer

            Look at the effects Hutchison observed – it is all of them… and more.

          • Axil Axil

            Remember in LION 1, a flow of electrons activated a 20 watts light for 20 minutes. That is a lot of electrons. These electrons most likely were produced by the decay of subatomic particles that were produced during the few seconds when LION 1 melted down.

          • Stephen

            Maybe but maybe this kind of behaviour I described sets up conditions where that could occur. Especially if at process was triggered by X Ray’s, magnetic fields or ion bombardment or concentration in the holes at either end of the soliton.

            What I described does not explain the LENR itself… But maybe the process that gives the conditions where it can happen?

            Maybe that leads to a kind of self sustain and amplification.

            But I’m second guessing Bob here. Still need to see how it connects up if what I said is right.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            1.67 amps at 12 Vdc, or something else that is close to 20W, for 30 minutes.

            10Wh of energy.

          • Stephen

            If a magnetic loop is produced like this if the fluid contains charged particles it will pass under it in a flow negative charges in one direction and positive one in the other.

            This flow could spawn other counter rotating swirls down stream so to speak. Think of a swirling river a strong rip tide or wake of a boat. Perhaps even more globally in the underlying fluid we could get a lion mane turbulence effect or at least a swirling river.

            If those swirls are also strong enough to form a magnetic field and associated flux tubes. Then we could get additional spots along the path of the flow.

            Interestingly because they are magnetic loops and the fluid contains independent charges this loops would guide the underlying flow itself.

            Some times in the samples we see pairs of spots in a rhombic arrangement, some times six or so spots along a path like this. Even the long under of lion tracks could perhaps be attributed to this effect.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are thinking, and it is good – but you are missing something – and it is in pretty much every image I have shared. Look harder – don’t dismiss things.

  • georgehants

    Bob, after “O” day you could be in with a chance ——-
    ——–

    Society for Scientific Exploration

    Call for nominations for the 2018 Tim Dinsdale Memorial Award

    Deadline: March 15, 2018

    Dear Member,

    This is an official call for nominations for the 2018 Tim Dinsdale
    Memorial Award, presented by the Society for Scientific Exploration
    (SSE). The Award is the only formal academic recognition for significant
    contributions made to the expansion of human understanding through the
    study of unexplained phenomena. The award is not restricted to SSE
    members.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I only want to share what I have realised

  • sam
  • Bob Greenyer

    I can tell all of you that it is totally surreal, to have come to a realisation a few days after getting those ‘Two Spots’ x-rays on the 14th January and then, with each photo you take there it is – BOOM – in your face, prima-facia proof, and when you go back and look at old data – there it is again!

    • causal observer

      Concur on the totally surreal

      • Bob Greenyer

        😉

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    The Meteorite: John Hutchison / MFMPs Sample 16; 1988, found next to large capacitor

    Fusion of dissimilar materials, including cellulose fibres, plastic, metals and ceramics.

    Has iridescent effect in affected glass as seen in LION2

    This may be my favourite sample.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64cff287708185c94dab6a9a784abb6dce5761a4164133870a67721a076ef7f6.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7994e91f67fab53fc82a081ba59b38cc5c57b40a1fbe94b8be4140b1070ce519.jpg

    • suhas R

      Bob
      I think The O Day is 27th February–The Day we met Last year
      Suhas Ralkar –

      • Bob Greenyer

        Well – it was a few days later, but ECCO is for sure part of O-Day. Thankyou

  • Bob Greenyer

    yes – everywhere

  • Bob Greenyer

    Exactly Martijn, who ever made this sculpture had intimate knowledge of how to create the effect and master it. Hence, I am only calling it a realisation – with enough thinking and study of all of the images / SEMS / EDS from ECCO, NOVA, LION and Hutchison and with context to other work in the field – you will KNOW this is the truth.

    This is an UNBELIEVABLY INFORMATION packed image

    If you can give the link – you are part of ‘O Day’

    • artefact

      The outer part with the counter rotation vortices is the vortex which is the shell (cage).
      In the inside of the vortex carbon atoms are ionised (electrons go into the vortex) and deuterium takes their place?

      • Bob Greenyer

        First bit is warm.

        Second bit, not so much.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Kudos to Martijn below, who found the RIGHT image of the Bronze LION in the Beijing’s ‘forbidden city’.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Lovely dwain – perfect. I don’t know where my photos are since I took them well over 20 years ago.

    Can you see if you can get permission for that from the photographer for it to be used in ‘O Day’, with credits of course!

  • Bob Greenyer

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a20a29bcaddc99ba41059e513f2e53b41d28f5ab4efa42dd89dabe10cd7c600.jpg Guys I am getting the hang of taking Macro shots with exposure bracketing to capture the rich detail into HDR images from the LION reactors and Hutchison samples. I noticed that as hard as I try, I can often shift a little the camera on the tripod which makes aligning the exposures problematic. Following a little research, I acquired a IR remote for my 2012 Cannon 7D as shown in the attached image – so hopefully with automatic bracketing I will be able to get it to do the exposure set hands free.

    That being said, I am really hitting the limits of both the sensors sensitivity and the number of pixels in the 7D which is 18.

    I asked them in the shop if I could rent a Canon camera that would be better for my task and they recommended the 5D SR (50.6) MPix. They said I could rent it (with full deposit) for $150/day. It takes the same time to take and assemble photos however, if someone out there would be willing to support renting the camera for a few days, we will be able to get 2.81 times the number of pixels with higher sensitivity, and we can learn a lot more from it. Please let me know.

    • Thomas Baccei

      Hi Bob – recommend you look into High Dynamic Range processing. It combines more than one image taken with different exposures into one image with all of the dark and light areas visible. Look it up. Also consider Zyrene Stacker which can combine images with different focal planes into one image with clear focus throughout.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Thomas

      That is what I have been doing in Photoshop – that
      is where the recent photos – including the 32bit per channel images have
      been made. I used the first commercial software to ever employ HDR
      (Lightwave 3D) – a technique invented by Paul Devebac.

      My
      problem is I wanted to not touch the camera between exposures. I will
      know I have that fixed or not this evening after the kids are asleep.
      However, I am also hitting the limits of what is possible resolution and
      sensitivity wise of the 7D

  • Mattatron

    When will Origin Day be and why no one cared for Geons in the past? (Just a long shot 😉 )

    • Axil Axil

      The meme associated with LENR that everybody ascribed to was the fusion meme. Fusion was assumed to be at the root cause of LENR. People were looking for gamma rays, craters, and neutrons. When the meme changed to solitons, the experimental observations seem to fit connections between the meme and the data perfectly. The shapes and tracks produced by the solitons matched perfectly with the observations and predictions.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        After excess heat, 4He was detected. Then the amount of the excess heat was coorelated to the matrix volume, the number deuterons in that matrix and the release of 23.8 MeV of energy, per deuteron pair combined to form 4He, as heat into the matrix.

        Which implies fusion, except for the issues of the Coulomb barrier and no gammas.

        Can’t wait to read Bob’s explanation of how the coulomb barrier is overcome and the 23.8 MeV of energy release is turned into matrix heating instead of a gamma ray.

        • Axil Axil

          4He can also come for alpha particles. If there is no gamma and no neutrons then there is no fusion reaction.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Strange Radiation track and more in/on LION 2 quartz

    Each image has a wealth of data and evidence in it

    https://youtu.be/XCNPGau881U

    Original set of Raw images here
    https://goo.gl/ZhdXbC
    IMG_4660.CR2

  • Axil Axil

    This data that these latest LION experiments have produced has improved by ideas about what is going on in the LENR reaction. I had not understood that the dipole soliton which produces the circular magnetic flux tube was strong enough to transmute elements in such a vigorous manner.

    I had assumed that the properties of magnetic field lines that make up the flux tube would cancel each other out to negate the LENR active factor that generates the transmutation effects.

    That LENR active factor is the handedness of the magnetic field lines that the soliton produces. For example, the north pole of the soliton might produce left handed magnetic field lines and the south pole would produce a right handed magnetic field lines. At the center point of the magnetic flux line arc (or circle) the right and left handed magnetic flux line properties would balance and cancel each other out.

    But what might be happening is that these north and south poles affect matter at a point in the arc circle were the magnetic field lines are strong enough to produce transmutation but not much excess heat.

    On occasion, a monopole magnetic flux tube forms where there is a single north pole where the dipole soliton somehow transforms itself into a monopole flux line soliton. This monopole soliton produces the rabbit track holes that seem to hop over the surface of the substrate. This monopole soliton has combined the two types of handedness into a combined configuration whose flux tube is very strong.

    If the lion reactor operated in a electrostatic field of at least 50 Kv, the all dipole solitons would transform into monopole solitons and the increased strength of the resultant monopole flux tubes would produce a of lot excess heat.

    Many types of EMF stimulation: a laser, a strong light source, or a high voltage electrostatic field will transform dipole solitons into monopole solitons and that “activated” reactor would produce a lot of excess heat in addition to transmutation of elements.

    This EMF activation mechanism is what allows the QX reactor to produce so much excess heat.

  • Axil Axil

    In the same way that electrostatic charge will balance and negate charge buildup, the handedness or chirality of spin will do the same. When a flux of chiraly polarized magnetism hits quarks inside nucleons, the ballast in the handedness or chirallity of the flux tube that connects the quarks and gluons inside the nucleons is disrupted and the nucleons fall apart. In a nutshell, this momentary cancellation of the strong force inside nucleons produces a quark soup of quarks and gluons from which other elements form.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Sorry guys – too tired tonight, will do the crack open of the other part of LION 2 live tomorrow. Time TBC.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Look at the picture closely. What is unique about much of what makes it?

    What also appears in the LIONs?

    Hutchison Effect is LENR

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    On the ball held under control by the bronze LION in the Forbidden City in Beijing, what is the significance of the bow? What does it show you?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aabc58b8a573367665655fcd02027993b97eeca5e46ecbad00762157773d7fa4.png

    • artefact

      It is a present 🙂 or as it is bound to the structure it keeps the “rope” localised/in place.

      • Bob Greenyer

        second half of your sentence is warmer in a tangential way.

    • Axil Axil

      The bow represents the fluidization of matter. The Hutchison effect is typified by the fluidiation of matter where iron bars seem to melt like ice cream and aluminum shreds and pulls apart like hot plastic. In the Hutchison effect, the flux tube covers more matter than the LENR effect seen in the LION reactor, but even in the LION rector, matter seems to move around. This fluidization of matter is caused by the suspension of the strong force where matter flows and is transmuted into other elements at the same time.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Very good Axil. In terms if what it can do, spot on.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Lets make sure we understand what a Soliton wave is:

          “A quantum or quasiparticle propagated as a travelling non-dissipative wave which is neither preceded nor followed by another such disturbance.

          It is a travelling energy wave travelling in it’s home material.

          Because it is a quasiparticle, it is composed of simpler sub particles which define it’s physical characterists.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I said what it can do.

      • Bob Greenyer

        There is more to it though…

        • Axil Axil

          A small clue would help to find the proper direction to go.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What is a knot?

        • artefact

          Knot theory by Lord Kelvin?

          • Bob Greenyer

            No. nice guess though

      • Stephen

        I wonder if it depends on the nucleus having a dipole IR quadrupole moment?

    • keenant

      The loops of the bow represent the EVO torus paths

      • Bob Greenyer

        Close!

  • causal observer

    https://www6.slac.stanford.edu/news/2015-11-16-x-ray-microscope-reveals-solitons-special-type-magnetic-wave.aspx

    “Also, in one of the experiments researchers saw the soliton split in two: it was expected to take a spherical or circular form, but instead appeared split down the middle, as if an approaching ocean wave had split into two separate waves that were mirror images of each other. “In the simulations we were using before, we were blind to this possibility,” Bonetti said.”

  • Engineer48

    DIY vortex rings and tubes:

    https://youtu.be/pnbJEg9r1o8

    Note the statement explaining why these vortex rings / tubes are not waves or solitons as they are transporting matter.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The structure creates the same lens effect

      It does transport matter, in more ways than the expected.

      Vortex rings do play a role – that is why I (and LION) previously drew attention to Lord Kelvin.

      • Stephen

        Did you mean Lenz effect?

        That’s how I see it.

        Along maybe with plasma oscillations within the flux tube due to Alfvén waves.

  • Axil Axil

    What is a spin wave?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St4ykzFYJts

    In a soliton those yellow and blue balls(spin up and down particles) are separated into two current that rotate in is a ring. One current produces a north pole and the other produces a south pole. These two current can separate and are connected by a flux tube of magnetism (spin).

    In a superconducting molecule like metallic hydrogen, a spin wave forms on the outside of the positive core(protons). But the core pushes out all photons and electrons to the outside(Meissner effect). This blocks photons from getting into or out of the electron cover. This is in effect a mirror that traps photons in with the electrons. These electrons and photons become entangled and form polaritons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWmvZ0IGrsU

    These polaritons have negative mass which is required to form a wormhole (aka flux tube) and they can store energy as more photons can enter the polariton mirror.

    It is this flux tube that destabilizes the flux tubes that connect the quarks and gluons inside the protons and neutrons in matter.

    http://universe-review.ca/I15-05-fluxtubes.png

    All the gluon fields are concentrated in a “flux tube” as an anti-quark is added nearby to cancel the fluctuations shown in the Figure. Another lattice QCD calculation from GlueX at Jefferson Lab shows the “flux tube” configurations for 2 quarks and 3 quarks respectively The “hairs” (or arrows) are the color field lines originated from the gluons.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      How is a
      quantum well,
      situated at a very precise location,
      inside a high Q optical resonator
      created in a deuterated matrix?

      I know high Q resonators and I can tell you there are none on the surface or inside a deuterated matrix.

      • Axil Axil

        The deuterated matrix produces metallic hydrogen through compression at high loading. Then the MH is released from the lattice and floats around,

        It is all documented by Holmlid exceps he uses iron oxide instead of palladium.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Axil,

          Metallic hydrogen in a deuterated matrix would be an amazing discovery. Worth a lot of money.

          What do you plan to do to take your so far unproven personal theory and turn it into experimentally validated physical reality?

          • Axil Axil

            That is what Bob is going to do on O day. Like MFMP I am non profit open source.

          • georgehants

            Axil, many thanks, you have made my day to find one more caring person on this planet.
            Much Love.

  • Axil Axil

    LION 1 reactor produced 20 watts for 30 minutes ( 1800 seconds) or 36000 joules.

    That is equivalent to the energy capacity of a C cell Alkaline Long-life battery

    http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Energy-tables.html

    • Andreas Moraitis

      The strange thing here is not the amount of energy but the fact that the current flowed apparently between the reactor and the ground (if I understood it correctly).

      • Bob Greenyer

        Actually, initially that way and then… the other?

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Normally, the other pole of the voltage source would have to be grounded. Everything else would be pretty strange. (I guess we can exclude static electricity in this case.)

          • Andreas Moraitis

            It might also work in the presence of a strong EM signal. In the early days of radio broadcasting, some people who lived near the senders used to illuminate their gardens by putting light bulbs between improvised antennas and the ground. (This practice has soon been forbidden, for obvious reasons.) But such a signal would have to have its origin outside the receiver, I think.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I wasn’t assuming anything – I was asking a question (that for me is both rhetorical and referential to a key aspect of O Day)

  • Bob Greenyer

    Keep going.

    • Stephen

      Well at some point if we look at what is fundamentally behind the particles in the standard model then maybe energy density and importantly I think locality become important from a GR point of view.

      Unless even the fundemental laws of locality are some how dependent on this process. In some way.

      • Bob Greenyer

        They’ll be maths – but it is not necessary to ‘get’ the underlying truth.

  • Bob Greenyer

    There is SO MUCH more on sample 16.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Musical Hemispheres, you are really hitting it now though you may need to revisit your interpretation of sample 18 segment, with that in hand – re-interpret the features of sample 10 and 16.

    How do these shapes and forms correlate to the Bronze LION in the Forbidden City?

    Where else in Nature can you easily see these structures?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Nature repeats patterns at all scales

  • georgehants

    Must give my gratitude again to all you guys on page, I look forward every day to following the page.
    And Frank for allowing this banned science to be shown.
    Please understand I have a completely open-mind but also still a sensible critical position where nothing is certain until the fat lady sings

    • Bob Greenyer

      It will be our responsibility to do everything possible to make sure they are part of it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    For all of those that are familiar with working with high bit depth imagery, here is 32 bit per channel HDR versions of most (10,12,15,16,18,20) of the high resolution Hutchison images I have made. This should help you with analysis.

    https://goo.gl/H86cTz

  • Bob Greenyer

    32 bit per channel images shared for you to enable deep analysis

  • Bob Greenyer

    Fusion of dissimilar materials and faster than light communication observed by Eugine Podkletnov et. al.

    Following the MFMP sharing of Hutchison ‘Meteorite’ fusion of dissimilar materials sample, we have just been informed of this interview by Andrew Johnson.

    Propagation of gravity waves determined to be 64x the speed of light.

    Beam coming from experiments allows fusion of dissimilar materials.

    Go to about 5 mins 10 into the interview and listen to the effects he describes behind his generator.

    https://goo.gl/eS4MKk

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Like Hutchinson, no one has been able to replicate any of Podkletnov’s claims. I know of 2 labs that communicated with him and one that had him in the lab.

      Yet despite very serious and significant efforts, there was no replication of his claims.

      The velocity of gravity waves has been measured 5 times so far. They are shown to propogate at light speed.

      You should be very careful about accepting his claims as being real.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Podkletnov IS replicating Hutchison, and Shoulders replicated Hutchison.

        LION replicates Hutchison – you just REFUSE to look at the PHYSICAL evidence.

        Stoyan Sarg replicated him inadvertently.

        I do investigations without fear or prejudice.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          No one with any credibility has been able to replicate the claims of:

          Shoulders
          Hutchinson
          Podkletnov

          despite many trying to do so. That is fact.

          That you claim they replicate each others is strange.

          That you seem to be implying their self proclaimed data is the support base for O Day is very concerning.

          I ask you again.

          Please explain how 2 matrix loaded deuterons combine to form 4He and release 23.8 MeV of energy as matrix heating and not a 23.8 MeV gamma?

          With respect, all the surface features you seem to be focusing on are not involved in answering the above 2 simple questions created from 1,500 man years of REAL LENR research.

          Please focus and concentrate your theory release on the 1,500 man years of research and leave your 3 fringe heros out of the O Day theory.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Fortunately, I do not answer or bow to your will.

            I will say what has been gifted to me, and others can draw their own conclusions.

            Your current statement, one of a long list of mocking dismissive monologues will stand after O Day. Has it occurred to you that there could be other reasons why all of those ‘man years of REAL LENR research’ have not been fruitful?

            Seeing as you refuse to look at the images, it is curious that you are can have such a dictatorial position on their contents and use that as a basis for proclamations. You remind me of the ‘Scientist’ at Aarhus university that laughed in my face as he said “that is impossible, and if you want to know how impossible it is – go and read a textbook” – I don’t blame him by the way – and I don’t blame you. Mostly – I want people to enjoy the realisation that came to me.

            The main feature has not been identified and since your just part of the put down brigade, I hope others that have eyes to see can spot it and understand it.

          • causal observer

            Science and religion have one major thing in common. They both claim to have the “Truth”.

            Since you are relying a great deal on pattern recognition, you might consider how your behavior matches the pattern of religious zealotry. Which often takes positions like “If you only look more closely (i.e. read the scriptures more carefully), you will understand, and if you aren’t looking closely enough, you lack faith and will not attain understanding.”

            You have been at this for two weeks. How many people have “gotten it”?

            You claim to have found a Truth. Is it science or religion?

            I thought the focus of scientific inquiry was to examine cause and effect relationships, not patterns. Patterns can and often do point to potential cause and effect relationships. However, patterns cannot be turned into tangible results until they are translated into cause and effects relationships. I don’t see you filling in the gap between the patterns that you see and causes and effects. Why is that?

            I thought the purpose of MFMP was to enable many people to produce replicable results. You are not explaining how that will happen. When you are asked to produce specifics that will head in that direction, as E48 was doing, you get defensive. Why is that?

            I thought the approach of open science was to disclose information broadly so that everyone could act on it. You are not disclosing what you have in mind for “O Day”. So in that sense you are withholding information, which is not open science. Why is that?

            People care about you, respect you and value your contributions. Otherwise they would not be giving you this much time and attention. Please give that some consideration.

            Then to borrow from religion: what would Martin do?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Martin ran from his most important experiment in fear – I understand why.

            He was hounded out of the US, Pons in fear for his life.

            Martin, to his credit, stuck to his guns until his faculties failed him.

            ‘O Day’ will honour Martin in the true spirit of the projects intentions.

            ‘O Day’ will give cause and effect and much more besides – everything is decoded.

            I have been thinking whilst sharing – this is not a normal approach, over my professional life, I have known where I want a presentation to be many weeks before it is done, I know what it is to contain but I need to create the contents. It is a story, where you have the plot in your head, but the words need to be written, the words is the hard data and experience that the MFMP has had over the past 5 years combined with learning from our many interactions.

            Before announcing ‘O Day’ we have shared 3 different experiments in enough detail for people to attempt them, ECCO, NOVA and LION – each show the effect.

            Judge for yourself what is true after ‘O Day’ – and I will put it out, when it is ready. In the mean time, don’t look at the Live Open Science going on if you just want the answer packaged.

            Several members of this community, like Axil, Musical Hemispheres and artefact are materially adding to this works integrity and I thank them for their engagement.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            This is about how science is done and using physics plus the 1,500 man hours of LENR experimental data to find the solution.

            There is no putdown, only looking for the necessary sequence of effects to allow the observed reactions to occur inside the Standard Model, QED, QCD & QM.

            Why you need to look at surface chemical effects and involve those on the fringe or beyond is strange to me when there are 1,500 man years of data to analyse and form a theory from.

            The Truth Is Out There.

          • Bob Greenyer

            But they replicated each other – and there is 100% evidence of the same effect in LION 1 and 2.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Alan has now shown what you observed in Lion 1 and Lion 2 are CHEMICAL effects, which I suggest are what you are seeing in your other samples.

            Why do you continue seeing faces in clouds, ie shapes you wish to see, when Alan has shown you it is all CHEMICAL.

            Please get back to looking for the truth in the 1,500 man hours of real LENR experimental data and abandon becoming another Don Quixote.

      • Stephen

        I need to think further to get the gravity part.. but I have learnt that sometimes aspects have an apparent effect that give us insight into what is going on even if it is different than we expected. Even simple “analogies” can work like this. And often they come from very different insight and context.

        I’m not sure if it is the same kind of gravity waves they are talking about.

        It’s clear that recent observations of neutron star mergers using LIDAR type instruments and optical observations have indicated that those waves are at or at least very close to the speed of light.

        However I think they are talking a different kind of much more local effect here. So it may not be directly related.

        • Bob Greenyer

          LIGO is a detection system, not just of stellar events.

      • Mylan

        After what I read about Hutchinson, it is really concerning that Bob tries to integrate Hutchinson in his LENR theory.
        Bob, thank you for your efforts! But seriously, it is hard enough to keep people outside this forum interested in LENR, and I can’t even blame them for it. Please try to keep other fringe science out of it, this does nothing good for the LENR community

        • Bob Greenyer

          Hello new person.

          Have you looked at the photos of the Hutchison samples we have. Harold Puthoff, The US and Canadian Military, researchers in Europe and Asia took his work seriously – now I understand why.

          It has been absolutely a blessing to have realised something based on actually listening and exploring the claims of many of the leaders in the LENR field over 5 years and having had the opportunity to perform a range of experiments – then to have a realisation that predicts a range of features and then find them on much of our old published work, in/on the LION, ECCO and NOVA data/pictures and then – ALL OVER multiple Hutchison samples spanning more than 3 decades.

          Many contingencies are in place, and even if it offends your belief structure – People will be given the option to hear what I have realised. If you don’t want to listen – please, please don’t by all means spend your precious time on my musings. Ignore any thread or channel that I post to, I would not like to cause you any angst – it is not why I am doing this.

          • Mylan

            I’m here and listening, am I not? No need to get emotional. Even if Hutchinson’s samples fit perfectly, it is not helpful for the credibility of the whole story. Maybe that is sad, maybe not, but it is a fact.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What is sad is that so much misinformation was put out about him.

            It is a complete impossibility for John to have faked the signature details on his samples, he made them between 11 and 32 years ago and I did not know what to look for until the last weeks and I already had the samples in hand.

            The same features are in NOVA, ECCO and LION

            Exactly how credible do you think LENR is.

            I never came into this because it was ‘credible’, I came into it because I was interested – and I follow the evidence without fear or prejudice.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    How does the MFMP logo relate to subject of this video taken 6 days ago?

    https://youtu.be/zLnpOKQrWmg

    What is it part of a series of?

    Why is this significant?

    There are no coincidences.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a6bc3bf0581b7f4e192f142b1fa901bfce03b1e8e478046f5068ca3afdab8cd0.png

    • Frost*

      Well that is pretty spooky but just a coincidence all the same. It’s a bit like when you see an advert for a particular model of car on TV one day then start to see loads of them on the road the next day!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Not really, I had been asking WHAT is the solution to a particular aspect of ‘O Day’ – really asking, I had a sense that the answer was in this but not certain – then this happened and so I went with my gut feeling and explored it – and the answer is in its message.

        • Stephen

          Fire in a cage?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Where the new fire is.

          • Stephen

            If those counter rotating vortexes are producing the magnetic field above. They would also produce a similar field through the medium below. If this is denser I suppose those magnetic field lines would be closer together there maybe more confining any ropes of charges passing through there, and perhaps amplifying any effects dependent and the magnetic field strength there. Right under the outer cage.

          • Axil Axil

            The root cause of LENR must cover a lot of ground. For example, it must explain how bacteria can produce transmutation of elements as a function of their metabolism. So the magnetism that is purported to produce the LENR effect, is very special and compatible with the processes of life. Decovering how this magnetism become so special that covers its action on the surface of the Sun and in the stomach of bacterial is something that must be taken into consideration.

    • Jas
    • Musical Hemispheres

      I remember synchronicity from a documentary on Carl Gustav Jung, of, say 30+ years ago. It is his concept of events that appear to be related, even though they are not connected as cause and effect. It was explained by a woman in a nice Austrian accent telling that a very rare “Schmetterling” (butterfly) entered the room when Jung was talking about that type of butterfly.
      In the case of the MFMP logo it seems that the logo represents two aspects of ‘O day’ (the triangle and the oval connected to a triangle forming the flame) which we see in many images. That is, the combined triangle and oval is pointed out in the video of LION 2 on the post “Control test of Lion reactor”.
      But the logo was created, I assume, before these figures were known to be related to LENR.
      Could I add that the reactor names, LION, NOVA, ECCO, all have an ‘O’ in them… 🙂

      If all of this is beyond coincidence, it would mean that our minds are more influential/connected than we currently give them credit for.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We have all be sold so many lies, it is not funny.

        Yes our minds are connected.

    • artefact

      When you check for the strange tracks have a look also at that side of the glas (from pic 4660 more to the right):

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad431647a8d0843946d37fdecf51cd9f75fed517d308909ec37166d3804cd7aa.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        Well Done artefact – WOW, someone is ACTUALLY REALLY looking!

    • artefact
      • Bob Greenyer

        VERY VERY good!

        NOW you are getting it. Kudos to you for spotting one.

        In the top left one – what do you see??

        What does it mean?

        This gets you in to ‘O Day’

        • artefact

          A spiral

          • Stephen

            Wow you have good eyes…

        • artefact
          • Bob Greenyer

            Reference?

          • artefact
          • artefact
          • artefact
          • artefact
          • Bob Greenyer

            Not so silly – FEEL THINK

            Follow your intuition

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well done – I think that if you think on this hard – you may even get the epiphany – I hope you do, it is such a pleasure and one you will never forget.

            ‘O Day’ is for all, the biosphere, and beyond.

          • Axil Axil

            Making connections between experimental observation and existing science doctrine is very healthy and will bear fruit with a wider informed audience.

          • Rémi Andre

            I follw this saga since 2011 and I must admit that I am puzzled by this game of riddles…I don’t understand the goal of this. If you, Bob, have something interesting let us know and stop playing with us like this. If you want to restore the honor of Hutchison et al just explain your theory with the language of hard science and test it. If this is effective, then, you will just have to mention them. But results first. By writing on ancient secret knowledge you just make people run away from LENR forums

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am working as hard as I can, unpaid, in between looking after children and doing domestic duties.

            As I build the presentation and take the photos – I am conducting Live Open Science as much as I can. I realised something on 14th Jan when I got the ‘Two Spots’ x-ray – and UNLIKE normal science when you dot the i’s and cross the t’s and publish after a few years – I am engaging the community I love that has helped make this possible as I build the case.

            I realised something, built on years of thinking, which made all kinds of predictions, and then I went back to the data from the history of the MFMP, data that is public, and re-analysed it in light of the realisation. When I got so far – and started to see the corroborating evidence, I thought – well, if, as is claimed, Hutchison Effect does LENR transmutations – it must be the same process. In which case, they should be full of the signs of what my realisation predicted. Fortunately, only because some prominent person in the community tried to character assassinate and doxx me and my family last year did I end up building a good relationship with John Hutchison which led to the acquisition of some samples – and sure enough – the signs of the process is all over them.

            Over the past week or so, I have painstakingly taken images and assembled them into HDRs and shared them ASAP without telling people exactly what they should see to establish if it was just me and also to bring people into the process. You want everything now, I promise you, as soon as it is ready it will be available – this is an all or nothing thing, and it will be all – and you will understand why after.

            The presentation is, as it develops, being tested on a wide range of people in order to get a feel for where it is weak and needs more work. I used to earn $170 / hour building corporate communications at the highest levels. I do not want this to be shoddy, it needs to stand alone as a jumping off point for non-familiar people.

            This is about as hard as science gets. Judge me after I have had time to produce the media on its merits and think on if you would have done the same thing on the same terms.

          • Bruce__H

            I am dubious of the Hutchison samples. Do you have a video record of any of the actual samples you have undergoing transformation?

        • artefact

          Further: here is a vortex getting unstable and it decays into three rotating solitions. Reminds of other things I saw in the pictures.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/91f7ae61f3658ed9af9ac49062bb40d25ed918041607c9f700673b12e52cd889.jpg

        • artefact

          Another image from my second link (BEC in this case)
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/709e1588cd6116b1277a9415d0ea05664b077ca38ae1fbd56e1e894d7402601e.jpg

          “We introduce asymmetries into our trapping potential to mimic the roughness of the liquid helium container. Then we can rotate the trapping potential which is analogous to the rotation of the liquid helium container. And vortices form in the Bose Einstein condensate similar to how vortices formed in liquid helium”

          • Bob Greenyer

            Excellent Artefact. what is the last image showing you?

            How does it relate to the flower of life?

        • Pink Panther

          Looks almost like the structure of a carbon atom.

        • artefact

          I think I saw two more. But probably with more circles and not as good visible as the first.

      • Stephen

        Is this one too?

        It has some other interesting features interlocked white loops etc. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ad612e6e6ca7f9aec0aed5fdd5ad7fe72e06d853d1619035756f16b7c592010.jpg

        Umm is it right next to your one too? I notice the white patch noted by Bob seems to be in both of them

        • artefact

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3ed175d3a79d8c28b7a039f09e881a1fbb83b4238c06abf124156ad364b3636.jpg It is not one that I counted (I found 3. look for grey areas without yellow color on the right of the big one).
          This one is interesting. Go from the dark spot in the middle outwards just a tiny bit. There are 3 small dark spots. One can imagine that they also build a circle. Around that is a darcer circle and then comes the white circle. Behind the white circle there seem to be white round circles. But most of it is not so good visible and could be imagination of mine 🙂

          • Stephen

            There is also something about the yellow material that is nudging me.

            Thinking in geomorphical terms if the material is carried in a fluid ( liquid gas or plasma or something ).

            It seems to be deposited on top of the white arcs and circles which to me implies The arcs and circles were deposited first like sediment in a river. And the yellow areas deposited after like leaves as the river dries up… but those yellow areas look quite crystalline implying some kind of built up deposit.

            The white areas are clearly arcs circles and ellipses. The yellow areas appear to be spots sometimes associated with the arcs and sometimes following as in the case of the oscillating line following the figure of 8 artifact.

            The yellow areas are not uniformly applied but separated by grey areas of similar size. That seem in line with the large flower you see.

            In the figure of 8 the yellow seems to wind through it as if it was following one current direction in counter rotating vortexes.

            I think this separation of material and it’s particular distribution and layering could be telling us something about the types of materials involved and the fluid like process that is underlying their distribution.

          • Stephen

            The circles might also be implying shocks or some radiant phenomena in the underlying material though.

  • John Littlemist

    Here are some more anomalies to be explained by O Day!
    http://www.angelfire.com/space2/neophysicsman/data/Researchpapers/anomalies.pdf

    Bob can you handle these? 😉

    • Bob Greenyer

      Wow, that is a lot of text – I think I’ll read it after ‘O Day’ as a wind down exercise.

  • Axil Axil

    The tension between Bob, Engineer48, and myself is produced by the collection of memes that we each have formed over the years that filters the objective reality that we encounter and try to make sence of in our lives.

    What goes on at the subatomic level is impossible for us to make sence of because it is beyond everyday perception so we look for parallels in our world of perception that fit the evidence that those invisible activities produce.

    It all boils down to connecting the dots. millions of dots. The only way we will get to the objective reality of LENR is to use the tools that so far have been developed by science to study the subatomic world.

    In order to get access to the knowledge that those tools can produce, we need to talk in the language that the people that control those tools speak. That language is the jargon of science. Unless we can come up with a scientifically acceptable explanation of the LENR reaction, then our observations of what LENR is won’t be accepted by science and those who control the high powered tools of science needed to understand the subatomic processes of LENR won’t cooperate.

    This is the reason why I discourage the introduction of mysticism into the LENR explanation because this set of memes are not acceptable to the people who control the x-ray microscopes that are required to understand LENR and to visualize the behavior of those solitons, or the support for the long ago rejected meme of deuterium or protium fusion in LENR.

    When the dragon ate the sun: how ancient peoples interpreted solar eclipses

    https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/8/18/16078886/total-solar-eclipse-folklore

    • Bob Greenyer

      ‘Pictures say a 1000 words’

      I want to share the pictures.

      • causal observer

        And there are many sets of 1000 words for which no pictures do justice. Although most good physics ends up with some helpful geometric representations.

        • Bob Greenyer

          True. But people, most people, do not want, and should not need to read scientific papers to understand this.

  • HAL9000

    We have a rich body of circumstantial evidence that may be linked to the mechanism(s) of LENR, all well collected by sharp eyes and keen minds. At what point do we stop collecting additional evidence and put on our scientific “Sorting Hat” to move into the next stages of scientific investigation: 1) Characterization (where we are now), 2) Hypothesis (O Day?), 3) Predictions, 4) Experiments? Flooding Characterization with a wide field of data (as riveting as it may be) makes any useful hypothesis difficult to achieve.

    • causal observer

      I’m beginning to consider the possibility that there may be several or many different mechanisms. The scientific evidence for transmutation is pretty strong, which says that there is some kind of migration of hadrons between atoms. There may be several different types of energy events that initiate that (laser, plasmon, EVO, soliton, etc), and there may be several different types of energy-yielding reactions that result. It’s looking noisier and noisier down in the matrix.

      Non-rhetorically, what reasons are there to assume there is only one type of initiation and one type of reaction?

      • Bob Greenyer

        There is one, only one.

        • Axil Axil

          There is one cause for LENR but we must go down deep inside the gears of the nucleons to find that root cause. All other LENR manifictions are branches off that common root and the LENR tree of causation is very broad indeed.

        • causal observer

          It’s hard to see how that can be a falsifiable hypothesis. I would put it in the same category as “cold fusion is impossible.”

          • Bob Greenyer

            Pick an experiment and an anomaly and I think you’ll find ‘O Day’ will explain it. In ‘O Day’ I have taken a very quick look as some of the most famous.

      • Axil Axil

        There are many ways to get to LENR but those many roads should not be confused with the ultimate destination.

        From the time of Ben Franklin, electricity was a mystery. Chemicals produced it, Lightning produced it, cat fur rubbing produced it, magnetism produced it…

        LENR is just as complex a causation phenomena as electricity. Many things produce LENR but finding its root cause is complex indeed.

        Bob is just dealing with only a very small segment of the LENR problem, but we need to start somewhere.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The purpose of this exercise is to allow time for proper controls of LION before the replication and for me to put together the material in as short a presentation as possible to present irrefutable proof which can be then demonstrated at the leisure of any scientific establishment with either an ECCO fuel maker, a NOVA reactor or a LION experiment – all of which have, for the most part, already been disclosed.

      When you see that it is all evidence of the same underlying process, the answer to many mysteries becomes clear.

      I am really looking forward to Thursdays SEM/EDX – and hopefully a bit of laser microscopy and then wrap up the presentation slides and get it out to you all.

      • Stephen

        From an open science point of view. It also gives a chance for the open community what ever their background PhD Physics, engineering, mineralology, Ceramics Pottery, photography, ancient history art or flower arranging etc to point out what they see without predjudice of specific science knowledge necessarily or very importantly with out predjudice of the final idea.

        What people see like that could be valuable data if well engaged.

        What that data means is still up for interpretation by many. Is it a signature or a cause, or unrelated but interesting.

        I understand very much the pragmatic physics concerns here. But the time for analysis will come after the final data is presented. I really hope physicists can still feel engaged with the process now with all this different kinds of data but especially then when the physical analysis and method will be important.

        I suppose there will be more technical posts and threads associated with both the theory and the LION replications from a LENR point of view when that is released.

        As Axil says we all have memes but this approach I think is well designed to open them up and challenge them in a way that we can all benefit from I think.

  • Axil Axil

    True wisdom. But spin is more complicated than most everybody can imagine.

  • Axil Axil

    Spin is more complicated than most everybody now understands. Did you know that

    Particle physics: Only left-handed particles decay

    https://www.nature.com/articles/524008b

    Did you know that your body and all of the living things around us are made from left-handed particles.

    The riddle of life’s single-handedness

    https://phys.org/news/2016-06-riddle-life-single-handedness.html

    Did you know that water is left handed.

  • artefact

    I was washing my hands and had to smile.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi MH

    Yes it is intimately related to the process and the thing you spotted in this and other samples.

    Yes it is Fractal – As above, so below.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bingo…

    That song was deliberate – and has been sung by many famous people.

    It was disclosure.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I received mine at each stage, in context with my experience and then later found the support in the data. Each cycle leading to the next iteratively.

  • Axil Axil

    I’m trying to learn more about particle chirality. This subject is hard to understand. This article helps…

    https://www.quantumdiaries.org/2011/06/19/helicity-chirality-mass-and-the-higgs/

    The quark being a fermion is really a mix of two types of quarks (aka dirac spinors). It is a mix of the particle and its antiparticle with the same quantum properties and chirality. This particle mixing of two distinct particles is made possible by the Higgs field.

    One idea of how quarks can be deconfined in the nucleon is as follows:

    If there is a chirality change forced upon that quark and/or one of its spinners inside the nucleon by a chiral polarized magnetic field, with this chiral change, the quark might charge its nature and become some new mixed quantum identical particle pair.

  • Axil Axil

    Dual superconductor model

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_superconductor_model

    Another idea on how quark confinement can be broken is by the destruction of quark superconductivity.

    In the theory of quantum chromodynamics, dual superconductor models attempt to explain confinement of quarks in terms of an electromagnetic dual theory of superconductivity.

    In this model, quarks are treated as monopoles that are condensed into a state of superconductivity. This state of color superconductivity based confinement is produced by the Meissner effect . A strong magnetic field can disrupt the Meissner effect and allow the quarks to become independent.

  • Engineer48
    • Engineer48

      Here another way to induce matrix vibrations was tested. This is how science is done:

      http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIexcessheat.pdf

      Nice transmutations were observed.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Have you seen a deuteron resonate?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Without an external biasing H field, deuterons in a matrix have a NMR freq of 82 MHz, which causes their magnetic dipoles to precess, generating matrix stress and vibration.

          Letts discovered this and observed excess heat generation when driving the deuteron loaded matrix at either deuteron or photon or neutron NMR freq.

          I believe this method of coupling energy into the matrix to cause resonant photon travelling waves is superior to using bulk heat or modulation of the E field in a wet cell, such as Superwave.

          My experience in resonant systems is significant. With that I bring a new factor into matrix resonation. Q factor. Ie the physical design of the matrix will alter the Q or ability of the matrix to store phonon energy and boost stored energy higher than input, which implies more KE will be available in higher Q resonators than in lower Q resonators to enable matrix loaded deuterons to get close enough for the strong force to overcome the electrostatic repulsion force.

          Seems we have a few new factors to add to the necessary D+D > 4He + 23.8 MeV precursors:

          Resonant energy input method.
          Resonant energy input efficiency.
          Matrix resonant Q or stored energy gain.
          Matrix resonant mode.

          • Bob Greenyer

            All sounds great – but not needed to replicate the effect.

            ECCO, NOVA and LION as described will do the effect.

          • causal observer

            Then why are those not “cookbooked” and replicated 10 times over using Looking For Heat components and widely available industrial materials? Was something like that not the simple and primary objective of MFMP? O Day is going to be O Dear Day if it does not pave an obvious and quickly travelled path to that goal.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Such value in your post, difficult to know where to begin.

            In case you have not been following this live reveal – several things have only come to my attention during the reveal – like – I had a realisation, but only after looking at the Hutchison samples and re-visiting old data was the proof already there.

            People don’t replicate things because they want their own variation or ‘original’ experiment to prove the process – that is the perennial problem in LENR. Why have you attempted NOVA or ECCO fuel processor? (In the case of the latter, if you listen to the end of my June 9th presentation at Asti, Tom Claytor of LANL fame, and the guy that proved that LENR produces tritium (under certain circumstances) came up to me and said that they were seeing the same things in their data (and later confirmed by e-mail that two US Universities were too), but the MFMP was out there with the data first without fear or prejudice – why had these groups not published that work – it is not like it is an original finding, both Adamenko and LeClaire saw the same kind of thing.

            The MFMP was never going to pretend something worked and try and facilitate its replication when in only half worked. ECCO works (for certain the fuel processor and foil maker) but you know what happened there.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes I freely admitted in my AMA last year that as a innocent and inquisitive teenager I took, having scientifically determined which ones were the correct ones, the [then] perfectly legal mushroom Psilocybe Semilanceata (AKA Liberty Cap). It is my body and my right as a sovereign human to do anything to myself that does not harm others. I don’t smoke, drink or do drugs (other than plenty of caffeine , though I will defend the right of those that wish

      Your snide attempts to discredit me will pale into insignificance after ‘O Day’ you will have a lot of competition.

      I do not fear it.

      Now, why don’t you come clean as to your vested interest that requires you to take this approach to my volunteer work?

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        I have no agenda to discredit you. In fact quite the opposite. I’m trying to help you use science and physics to uncover what you seek.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Help by trying to, if you can, independently work out what explains the common phenomena in the range of photos / SEMs / EDS from real experiments spanning more than 30 years that I have shared over the last year.

          Nature did this, all that is possible in science is down to nature – there is an explanation.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            My focus is on

            1) explaining how D+D > 4He occurs. We know it occurs so no question on that.

            2) explaining how the released 23.8 MeV of energy release turns up as matrix heating and not a gamma.

            3) explaining EDS transmutations in fuel ash.

            4) not really interested in the chemical changes in the Lion 1 and Lion 2 outer cores.

            5) do not understand why you did not do SEM/EDS analysis of the fuel but instead did SEM/EDS of the outside of the fuel cores?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Did not have the fuel last September – I hope to get it tomorrow from Alan (he sent it last week) and add it to the analysis.

            All of your focus will be explainable after ‘O Day’

            You have way more data and image proof than I had to realise the central tenet of ‘O Day’

        • Bob Greenyer

          On the subject of the scientific community, they have not been very helpful, and I really don’t blame them…

          – I was laughed at in my face by people at a major European University and actively prevented from even plugging in the Model T donated by looking for heat because the electronics department head was on holiday and the parts were bought on E-Bay.

          – I was de-invited as keynote speaker from a major, top tier UK university because they considered the work too controversial.

          Both of these things were critical to ensure time was not wasted in getting to the understanding.

          The most helpful thing has been Sci-hub.tw website, that has allowed me to explore paywalled papers.

  • Engineer48

    Thermal Resonance Fusion

    We found low energy nuclear fusion could be realized with thermal vibrations of crystal lattice atoms coupling with light atoms at low energy by resonance to overcome this Coulomb barrier:

    https://arxiv.org/pdf/1507.01650.pdf

    Done and dusted.

    • Axil Axil

      On scanning this paper, I did not see an experimental procedure or a description of the experiment. It looks like a theory paper only.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        It explains what 1,500 man years of experimental data measured.

        Matrix vibrations, plus other synergetic effects, are needed to generate excess heat.

        This shows how it may occur and explains why resonant matrix vibration is required.

        • Axil Axil

          Palladium loading does produce LENR but the fusion reaction is not produced directly by deuterium compression. The deuterium compression first produces metallic hydrogen then the muons that metallic hydrogen generates produce muon catalyzed fusion.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Metallic hydrogen is not required nor is it produced in a highly deuterated matrix.

            What is needed is high KE of the deuterons. Enough to get close enough to each other than the attractive strong force overcomes the repulsive coulomb force.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fdc37463ecf29fe0415a0d0a93698948f8331fb86879cd21eece146c47dd1a2d.png

            In a phonon resonator, say a Ni rod, phonon waves, matrix physical vibrations travel through the rod when even the matrix energy balance alters. As these vibrational waves propogate at the speed of sound in the material, the physical shape of the matrix determines the resonant Q and how these waves are driven, the coupling factor, plus other effects determine the impedance.

            Then knowing the phonon resonator Q, coupling factor and input energy, the KE imparted to matrix loaded deuterons can be calculated and compared against known KE vs D+D fusion possibility.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6398fb1bd342a23832ba8c361db46a0794c3d6a129f12e5d42aee32653a12780.png

            This reveals there is another synergetic effect that must be added to the list of precursor effects to obtain > 1 COP.

            Q of the phonotic matrix resonator.

            Letts has shown in his dual laser experiment that coupling the external excitement freq ti a resonant phonon mode does trigger excess heating.

            Now the paper Thermal Resonant Fusion explains the why.

            https://arxiv.org/abs/1507.01650

            So no new physics needed. Just an enhanced understanding of how matrix Q alters the rate of D+D fusion.

            BTW I now understand what the signal we see in the QX reactor is revealing and why Rossi is using Ni rods.

          • Engineer48

            This post and the paper adds the missing link to understanding how photonic matrix Q alters the probability of D+D fusion occuring.

            So now LENR fussioners need to engage an understanding of how to obtain max photonic Q so as to max deuteron KE gain at the lowest input energy cost so to achieve high probability of D+D fusion at the standing wave nodes where the max KE gain will occur.

          • Axil Axil

            If no new physics is needed, then why is no neutrons and gamma produced by the fusion reaction?

            From the graph that you show, the probability of fusion is 0 at or below 7 million C.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            The necessary KE is imparted to the deuterons by resonant matrix vibration and not by thermally heating the deuteron.

            In a resonant system, standing waves are created where the energy is at peak density, way above input energy as per the Q of the system.

            So with a Q of say 1,000, there will be very localised positions with-in the resonator where peak energy density is 1,000 times greater than input.

            It will be at these standibg wave nodes that the matrix loaded deuterons will gain enough KE to cause D+D fusion.

            D+D > 4He generates no neutrons but it does release 23.8 MeV which is experimentally seen to generate matrix heating and not gammas.

            Working to explain how the phonons couple to that energy and carry it away as higher phonon energy or matrix heating.

          • Axil Axil

            The QX has no lattice, how is it that this reactor that uses protium can produce the LENR reaction without produce any He4.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            The QX uses 2 Ni rods.

            All metallic atoms, such as Ni, form into crystal matrix or lattice.

            Rossi disclosed to Frank that the Ni rods were processed and that there are gasses inside the reactor housing. Sugget it is reasonable to assume the Ni rods are highly deuterated and the reactor housing is filled with D2 gas.

          • Axil Axil

            Your assumption is wishful thinking.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Wishful how?

            Ni is a matrix that can be loaded with deuterium.

            The Ni rod used on the QX is an ideal phonon resonator.

            The Ni rods are D loaded.

            The gas that glows is D2.

            Coupling external drive to match phonon resonance is experimentally proven to boost excess heat.

            Wishful thinking is UDD or metallic H being created in a D loaded matrix.

          • Axil Axil

            Rossi has never used deuterium…never.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Rossi is a very secret kind of guy.

            How do you know what he really uses?

    • Engineer48

      This paper is so cool.

      Linking matrix phonon resonator Q to probability of D+D fusion occuring and showing how high Q also reduces energy input requirements.

      So many parallels to my EmDrive work.

      Please note this paper opens up how to design a Ni or Pd resonator to obtain high Q, which infers high COP.

      Just maybe the 2 rods in the QX are designed and built to be high Q phonon resonators. Interesting how the 12us time of the feedback signal matches possible phonon resonant time for the rods used in the QX. Simple then to track optimal excitation timing to match phonon timing and phase to optimise Q, minimise input energy and max thermal output.

      Cool stuff.

  • Bob Greenyer

    No worries, I understand that it must be frustrating for some – It is really frustrating for me – because most of this I worked out last year, but I didn’t have the evidence, but really, after around the 16th January, it is just a huge burden to get off my back – understanding it is one thing, trying to select the least amount of corroborating evidence from an immense pool and putting that into a narrative is not easy – there is no one to turn to for a template.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful day, let’s all suspend our strong feelings until a full analysis of “O” day has occurred.
    In the end, eventually, only the Truth will prevail, so no problems with a little fun on the journey.
    None of us need to act like most of the scientific community did in destroying P&F.
    Patience and Hope and then just maybe something Wonderful.

  • Bob Greenyer

    That will happen.

    Go to a vegetable market or a flower show.

    Look a tropical fish tank – the coral etc.

    Enjoy – it’s beautiful.

    How did we get so stupid?

    • artefact

      I have a reef tank at home …

      • Bob Greenyer

        Such beauty – I love diving but have not been for more than a decade.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    HUGE CLUE

    Where are all these magnetic spheres coming from? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8ca9066691605e512c7979e281946be6d961d8c6b47ec532183ef09c0bf65e62.jpg

  • sam
  • Bob Greenyer

    mmmm – gonna eat me some cauliflower tonight!

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is Fractal

    Mandlebrot set is just one fractal

  • Bob Greenyer

    Off to lab – how to be able to crack the other half of the tube free on Live Stream.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      What about cracking open Lion 1 and doing SEM/EDS on the fuel inside the fuel tube, including the melted blob inside the Lion 2 core?

      I mean Bob you have 2 fuel samples and you waste time and money doing SEM/EDS on Cu oxide? Why?

      PLEASE FOCUS ON THE FUEL ASH.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It really doesn’t help when you choose to ignore why things are done.

        • causal observer

          It does not help for you to be so opaque. Not open science.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What don’t you get, the presentation is NOT FINISHED, get over it.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • jd sweeney

    https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Intellectual-War-on/242538

    While the curious await Greenyer’s Astounding Unifying Evidence of LENR, let’s digest Stephen
    Pinker’s essay on what’s jeopardizing progress on scientific research.

    “Criticism is itself an art that magnifies the appreciation and enjoyment of great works. Knowledge in these domains is hard won and needs constant enriching and updating as the times change.”

  • Bob Greenyer

    I could have said nothing – until it was all done. Too many people have kept secrets and suffered some misfortune as they tried to capitalise on things, so this story of non-events has frustratingly cycled.

    P&F were forced to announce early against their better judgement ahead of the right time and had to then make embarrassing and largely ignored updates to their materials – I am not doing that, despite the attempts to cajole me I am going to head the advice of the LION experiment and take the time necessary.

    I am ensuring that if anything happens untoward, all that is needed to decode this is already public so there is zero chance of it being lost – in addition to random and unconnected people, many of whom are in different countries now being told various stages of the stories development.

    I am now at around 100 slides – each one is important and deminimus to nail this down. A few of them have been generated or improved by contributions from members of this community. The actual presentation will have SO MUCH information, it will be very hard for many, even in this community to get it on first pass. Hence, I am hoping that people that care about this science will explore aspects of the critical thinking queues that I am putting out.

    Tradition main stream science has TOTALLY failed – and moreover, it is VERY CLEAR that there are players that are there to subvert and distract.

    Are you able to contribute – or is your role just to try to tear down and dismiss until it is all done for you by others.

    As yourself if you would quit a well paid job, close a business and try to run a family hand to mouth for much of the best part of 5 years in a country that is not your own, so that you could volunteer with complete freedom of thought to try and play a role in solving this mystery.

    Keep laying on the negativity and then see how you feel after ‘O Day’ – I expect far worse than you and E48s jibes and dictations of how I should spend my one life.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Getting there Keenant – well done…

    How did the balls find themselves embedded and connected to the outside of the quartz liner tube?

  • georgehants

    Bruce, you can go on forever trying to defend a closed-minded incompetent religion, science in many areas is and always has been a compete disgrace.
    The Internet is a very good place to Research the Evidence for the above.

    • Bruce__H

      @georgehants
      The problem is that you have no inside information on how science works. I do. So I am closer to right here.

      For instance when I say that there were “diligent attempts by some of the top people to reproduce” the P&F effect I know what I am talking about because I knew some of these people. I had a good friend at the time doing research at the Chalk River national nuclear facility in Canada. When P&F exploded onto the scene the Chalk River group were tremendously excited. Moreover they had the expertise, the instrumentation (million of dollars of it), access to the top nuclear researchers in Canada, the support of a Nobel Prize winner, and the materials (including literally tons of heavy water) to try and reproduce the results. They formed a tiger team to go after the project and spent 3 months intensively and a further 3 months less intensively and got nothing but hints that disappeared as they were chased down. Other groups worldwide did the same. They eventually put the project aside. That isn’t being closed minded. That is paying attention to what nature is telling you.

      Your quote mentions blind alleys etc. But you should read the article that it comes from because I think you have not understood what it says. It points out that going down these blind articles isn’t a bad thing. It’s a good thing. You don’t know an alley is blind unless you go down it. Moreover, whereas going down the alley in the first place is a fundamentally open-minded activity, recognizing that the data are telling you that the alley is blind is even more open-minded. This is what amateurs don’t recognize. I think that the fundamental criticism of LENR by the mainstream science community today is not that that particular alley was not worth going down, but that the people remaining in the community refuse to address, in a balanced way, the evidence that it is blind.

      Science does an OK job of being self critical. Not perfect, but better than almost any other intellectual community. You don’t see this partly because you are not an insider and partly because you have decided that LENR must be true and that anything that threatens that story must have something wrong with it.

      • georgehants

        You say —–” They eventually put the project aside. That isn’t being closed minded.
        That is paying attention to what nature is telling you.”
        You seem to be saying Cold Fusion does not exist, is that so?
        If not then the people you are describing are clearly totally incompetent.

      • Axil Axil

        The same mindset is exposed in the experiments that has produced metallic hydrogen. It has been difficult to produce metallic hydrogen and many have failed.

        But in 2017, Isaac F. Silvera finally succeeded who has spent more than 45 years working on metallic hydrogen and many said that the metallic hydrogen he produced was not real. But because MH is metastable, the MH decomposed and then THEY said it wasn’t real anyway.

        https://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s-only-metallic-hydrogen-sample-has-disappeared

        As a result, there’s been a lot of skepticism and controversy over whether they’d even made metallic hydrogen in the first place.

        “I don’t think the paper is convincing at all,” Paul Loubeyre, a physicist at France’s Atomic Energy Commission in Bruyères-le-Châtel, who wasn’t involved in the research, told Nature last month.

        It is highly likely that metallic hydrogen is one of the causes of LENR.

        LENR exists; it is just hard to produce.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Perhaps you should go to Tikal and meditate on why that is? (Beautiful place by the way, once I was there at the time of the fire-fly mating season, it was like a billion fairy lights swirling around)

  • Bob Greenyer

    Great news,

    Just got the raw ‘Looking for Heat’ alumina tube and some 3M diapad discs in time for the analysis tomorrow!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c254743fabc432131cd08c506eb1f967314072b34b0df9ae282991b631bc836c.jpg
    Thanks to Alan Smith!

  • Axil Axil

    There is a problem with the logic of the old guard idea that palladium loading of deuterium will produce the fusion reaction via high compression.

    We know from experiment that metallic hydrogen will form at room temperature at 450,000 bar.

    So when veuterium is compressed in a palladium lattice, metallic hydrogen will form long before the lawson criteria on hydrogen fusion is met at room temperature.

    This proves that metallic hydrogen will form long before any possible fusion reaction will occur as a result of high hydrogen loading in the palladium lattice.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawson_criterion

    http://fuelrfuture.com/science/nucprac3.gif

  • Axil Axil

    What the LION experience is showing is that hydrogen is not required to participate in the LENR reaction. The LION fuel preparation process requires hydrogen to produce a special form of hydrogen that is LENR active. Once the prepared hydrogen fuel is installed inside the reactor even without any hydrogen present in the reactor’s envelope, even if the reactor’s envelope is filled with air, the LENR reaction is fired off and stays active.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – 1080p of cracking out core end

    https://goo.gl/Wer3xi

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Fuel Area Tube Section Detail, extreme close up

    https://youtu.be/3L–ZbLKnXA

    • Axil Axil

      Is it ruby? A ruby is a pink to blood-red colored gemstone, a variety of the mineral corundum (aluminium oxide). Other varieties of gem-quality corundum are called sapphires. Ruby is one of the traditional cardinal gems.

      Generally, gemstone-quality corundum in all shades of red, including pink, are called rubies. However, in the United States, a minimum color saturation must be met to be called a ruby; otherwise, the stone will be called a pink sapphire.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby

    • Axil Axil

      It looks like those solitons can penetrate the reactor and transmute material on the outside of the reactor.

      A magnetic bottle may be in order to confine the solitons. We don’t want those solitons floating around the lab.

      • Bob Greenyer

        No

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Solitons are travelling wavelets.

        They are not Vortex Rings.

        • Axil Axil

          if the active LENR agent is the metallic hydrogen molecule and it can penetrate quantz glass, then what is the issue?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            The active LENR agent is phonon vibrational travelling waves in the matrix that at resonance can force deuterons close enough together to create 4He.

            No metallic H or UDD is present, created or needed.

          • Axil Axil

            This fusion idea has failed to bear fruit over the last 29 years since 1989 and has been rejected soundly by science over that timeframe.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Actually 1,500 man years of experimental data report D+D > 4He + 23.8 MeV of heat.

            Ok sure no gamma but I have an idea I’m chasing to explain how it turns into KE in the adjacent matrix host atoms. Of course the KE gain means 23.8 MeV > phonon wave xfer.

          • Axil Axil

            There has also been 1500 man years devoted to finding neutrons and gamma or explain why none appear.

            When an idea is bad nothing seems to fit and make sense.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            1,500 man years say D+D > 4He + 23.8 MeV as phonons happens.

            Also the precursors to make the reaction reliably occur has been worked out.

            No neutrons are generated in the above reaction.

            Now it is shown how resonant phonons can cause the deuterons to get close enough to combine.

            So 1,500 man years, building knowledge and understanding of the required enviroment and the necessary precursors plus the sequence is known.

            Yet to be determined is how the energy export ends upwith as increased matrix KE vs a gamma ray.

            There is no doubt it occurs nor doubt how to make it happen.

            I suggest how it is understood how phonon resonance can trigger the reaction, further work to understand more about the localised enviroment as the D+D event occurs will show the excess binding energy release is used to increase matrix KE instead of forming a gamma.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
    • Axil Axil

      The mystery of rose quartz….

      Rose quartz is one of the most desirable varieties of quartz. The pink to rose red color is completely unique, unlike any other pink mineral species. The color is caused by iron and titanium impurities.

      Under the influence of the LENR reaction, a huge hunk of clear quartz is transformed into rose quartz…WITHOUT ANY SIGN OF MELTING.

      The iron and titanium contaminant got inside the quartz in a perfectly even distribution.

      This mysterious transformation is almost identical to what happened to the Lugano pure NI62 100 micron particle.

      The only why that the Ni62 particle could have been produced is if a trillion atoms of various isotopes of nickel all transmuted to Ni62 in one instantaneous operation.

      The rose quartz example is the identical consideration.

      A trillion atoms of alumina is transmitted EVENY throughout the transparent quarks in aninstanious single operation.

      Why is a single operation required?

      If there was many transmutations performed, a gradient of coloration would be seen with the edge more heavily transmuted then the center.

      You have just witnessed a miracle of science.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        No miracle .It’s just chemistry.

        An atom of Cu joins an atom of O in the quartz. Becomes oxided Cu with a red glint.

        Pink coloured quartz is seen in Alan’s images.

        • Axil Axil

          Cu is green

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Cuprite is black to red.

          • Axil Axil

            How does fusion get all that colorent inside the quartz so evenly without melting it? There should also be loads of He4 inside the quartz.

            The SEM will tell the tail on your fixation about fusion. I hope you can move on from this bad idea.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            What fusion in the quartz?

            Where did you get that from?

            I was talking about chemistry.

          • Axil Axil

            Chemistry does not stop dead on a dime at a boundary. And even if the transformation of the quartz is a chemical process, how it that process behaving begs tons of questions. If the presumed copper contaminant came from a wire, why is that contaminant so evenly distributed and how come its movement stops so suddenly at a sharply defined boundary.

            When we mix milk in our tea, it does not stop halfway down the cup.

            Just by saying that the rose quartz is produced by chemistry still begs a million new questions.

            Or maybe by saying that the rose quartz inclusion is a result of chemistry gives us licence to stop thinking about how weird that this gem like inclusion in the quartz tube is.

      • Bob Greenyer

        And soon it will make sense.

    • Axil Axil

      Can we find out what the contaminant of the rose quartz is?

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – 7GB of raw macro photographs from core fuel area

    https://goo.gl/5nJV4Q

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Jouni Tuomela

    Why not “369” ?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT_2BozKRhs
    What is this, pictures just look familiar.

  • georgehants

    Let me try and help you.
    As I said in my reply, if you accept that Cold Fusion is a Fact then I quote you “They eventually put the project aside. That isn’t being closed minded.
    That is paying attention to what nature is telling you.”
    ——-
    Then these “scientists where obviously wrong and did not “pay attention to what nature is telling you” re. P&F.
    They gave-up and are like many “scientists today and throughout History, clearly totally incompetent, if it where not for genuine scientists then there would be no Cold Fusion to Research today.
    May I ask you if you “know” that there are no genuine UFO’s

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, please tell me that the final answer on “O” day is going to be 42 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      Who knows, when a journey looks finished another mystery reveals itself

      • Stephen

        Yes maybe knowledge itself is a fractal.

        • Bob Greenyer

          It would be so boring it it was not.

  • georgehants

    Bob, would you agree that if “O” day turns out as you hope, then you, MFMP, will be swamped in donations and will be able to buy your own SEM and much more?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I expect people to take the information and try and do it for themselves.

      No one pays you after you have delivered something for free.

      But our intention is to develop the science for humanity and we would hope people would trust our sincerity to do so based on past record. Tesla and Hutchison wanted this to be free. When you understand it, it is ridiculous to thing you could or should ‘own’ it.

      • georgehants

        For all the bad out there, there are many good people that will be only to happy to help you guys to “develop the science for humanity”.

        • Bob Greenyer

          We’ll see, more than anything I want to see the benefits, and the benefits only of this tech to be made available to humanity.

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob,

    Have you considered what we see in corrosion in view of your recent ideas.

    Not as alternative but rather what impact it might have on corrosion. And if there is any corrobative supportive data and evidence out there.

    I think it’s important to think and look beyond the pitting and chemical materials here and look more deeply at the electrical properties going on in thise materials how they support corrosion. This is critical to the process and the signatures they generate

    There are huge amounts of data on corrosion obviously it is important for shipping pipe work oil rigs. But also aircraft buildings etc.

    Normally i notice that attention is applied to the electric properties going on but any magnetic effects are ignored. They are also more usually talking about metal mixes and water or other liquids rather than plasmas or liquified metals or something like that. But there are parallels

    I found this very interesting article by someone called Mike Busch on the Savvy Aviator web site:

    https://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/189857-1.html

    It describes well what they think happens from an electric field point of view…

    This picture was particularly grabbing my attention: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/03ba93b7f4c2ec47ce95971482163183881fa82fc2a1130f7e8951b038def55c.jpg

    Note the pit here is the anode and it is surrounded by the cathode. And it is surrounded by a ring. The anode pit is far more apparent than the surrounding putting.

    But look at the shape of the anode pit. Is that purely coincidence. Why is it not round?

    Well if we think about it if the cathode is at the edge and the anode in the middle the electric field is circulating between them. If there is a loop it would generate a magnetic field in the loop. Could this account for the shape of the pits we see? Or is it purely coincidence.

    I’m not staying LENR is occurring here but maybe similar fluid process as observed by Bob are occurring in what ever conductive fluid was covering the surface of this metal.

    LENR might require particular cases of this kind of phenomenon to be triggered or the fluid state maybe generated by LENR in those cases.

    Just a thought. It may of course be unrelated.

    But it does make me wonder if the process found by Bob could have an impact on this kind of decay. Either accelerate it or slow it down.

    • Bob Greenyer

      There will be chemical effect, SUPER chemical effects in addition to disruption, liquification below melting point, transmutation, homogenisation, and this weird thing it can do at INCREDIBLE speed

  • Bob Greenyer

    Damn – I want your life – sounds much more fun than being in the lab taking videos and photos till 04:30.

    Seriously though – you will be able to use this tech to cool your beer to absolute zero in MUCH LESS than the blink of an eye – but you may wish to choose your container wisely.

  • Engineer48

    Consider the QX being powered by D+D fusion + 23.8 MeV of matrix heating.

    So how much D fuel for 20W over 24/7/180 days,

    Heat output = 3.11×10^8 J.

    D+D fusion = 23.8 MeV or 3.8×10^-12 J per event.

    Need 8.18×10^19 D+D events or 1.64×10^20 deuterons.

    D mass = 3.34×10^-24g

    180 days of D fuel = 5.48×10^-4g

    Not much fuel mass is needed per QX reactor if using the D+D reaction.

    • Engineer48

      Interesting that H+H fusion produces deuterium as one proton flips into a neutron and emits a neutrino and positron.

      So if H+H produces D, why not bypass the middlemen and load the matrix with D?

      Suggest Rossi knows this and is using D loaded Ni rods plus D as gas in the glow discharge.

  • Bruce__H

    Frank Acland has posted a video at the beginning of this thread. The still image that you see before you actually start up the video shows part of the LION 2 reactor. What you are seeing is the inner tube of the reactor that has been broken in two. The broken surface that was once the middle of the tube is on the right and the bolt end of the tube is off screen to the left. This is not the half of the reactor that ended up with a big dark blob attached to it, it is it’s opposite half. The outer quartz sleeve and heating coil have been removed.

    This is one of the clearest views of the LION 2 reactor. What I see on the extreme right is the greyish surface of the diamond-containing alumina tube. On the left I see a golden coloured metallic cylinder which I think must be the fused-together remains of the copper wire that was wound around the alumina tube. The darkish stuff that seems to form a collar around the right hand end of the tube appears to be the same material as that which forms the dark blob that invaded the the alumina foam brick of the Model T reactor. You can see that this material extends all around the core and in this region it seems to lie on top of the golden copper layer. In one part it extends radially all the way out to the quartz sleeve. You can see a rosy/amber piece of that sleeve that has broken away and is perched on top. I interpret this dark material as something that has melted further up the tube and flowed down to this part of it. It is like a little lava flow. Not only did it flow backwards back down to this part of the tube but it also flowed downwards (the photo is upside-down relative to the original direction of gravity so down in the reactor is up in the photo), cracked open the quartz collar, and into the alumina foam to create the dark blob. So what you are seeing in the video photo is the very beginnings of the blob and was originally continuous with it before the assembly was removed from the Model T by LION.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The red/rose clear bit and the brown bit to the right at the top of the image are both formally parts of the quartz liner.