What is O? (Summary Slide)

I think many readers here have been wondering what Bob has been going on about these last few weeks when he talks about O-day. I am one of them. He has been answering questions in a rather cryptic manner, and rather than trying to make guesses about the many clues that he has posted, I personally prefer that he would be a little less mysterious about it all.

So I was quite pleased when he posted the following slide today in response to a question by George.

oday

Here’s the text:

What is O?

Implosion not explosion technology
Roadioactive isotope remediation
Element synthesis
Take ET back home
Unlimited energy at any point in the univers
Particle and light beams
Much, much more

  • Jas

    Before anyone starts ranting that Bob is a loonie, the fourth point is a quote and not a statement from Bob.

    “We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity….. anything you can imagine we already know how to do.”
    Ben Rich, former Head of Lockheed SkunkWorks!

    “We now have the technology to take ET back home”

    Ben Rich, UCLA Alumni Speech, March 23 1993

    • Steve H

      I read that book as well. I recommend it.

      It will be interesting to see how a previous Black Project is disclosed and proved. It probably took billions $ for the Military Industrial Complex to do it.

      If Bob can achieve this, he will be mentioned in every History book – forever.
      Stand aside Elon, Bob coming through!

      Can’t wait.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/75e1523d0d4bff5e7d5d3a0cfbf400659e36dd583bcd9e16413be75b4caaafa7.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        I did not invent or discover anything – I came to a realisation based on listening, looking and being critical.

        It is the right of every human to know what ‘O’ is and those that think or do know what it is already, need to take a good hard look in the mirror.

        • Steve H

          I’m not being critical of you, or claiming you invented anything.
          Like I said – can’t wait for 0 day.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No worries – not taking things in a bad way, I am not sure anything could make me upset, the future is so bright!

          • David_Kaiser_39

            Well, I’m just a little bit scared and worried about you, ,Bob. Much is at stake here for all of us. I wished I could help somehow. And I really wished I could lock you up in a top secret place so nothing can happen to you… I’m worried…

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is my decision to make, I made it a long time ago and I will go through with it.

          • LION

            Hi Steve H,
            every helpful contribution is valuable to life and society and the quiet pleasure of it we carry in our hearts none may take from us. Good for you.

          • Steve H

            Many thanks LION,
            The feeling is mutual.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Anything you can imagine, you will know how to do after long consideration of ‘O Day’

      Life is far simpler, in its wonderful diverse complexity, than first it seams.

  • georgehants

    Bob, you have made the suggestion and connection to consciousness in the
    past, that is where my mind heads as the base of all these diagrams
    etc. am I on or off course?

  • keenant

    Hi Frank,

    I am amazed at the discipline Bob has shown in slowly leaking his insights to this community. If I was in possession of such knowledge it would have likely been too great a burden to carry and I think I would have succumbed many days ago. I think the slow leak approach where others validate or even add to observations Bob has independently made, will add enormously to the body of evidence to be presented on ‘O’ day. Also I have been following the work you have done on this site for many years, and the patience required to keep going would have been very trying at times, you have done and are doing a fabulous job.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks, keenant.

      I know Bob has his reasons for his methods of releasing information, and how he does things is up to him. Personally I prefer a more direct, plainspoken approach. I think we could handle it.

      • keenant

        Indeed, no countdown timer required for ‘O’ day

  • Anon2012_2014

    With all due respect Bob and Frank, speaking in riddles is not professional. How about:

    “We are preparing the results from the test which may suggest new physics with profound implications, which will be release on what I have called “O-Day”. Until the test is complete (of which you may follow along on MFMP Website or here on ECW) we will not speculate with incomplete hypotheses.”

    While there may be a significant probability of “unlimited energy at any point in the universe” or interstellar space travel (“take ET back home”) talking like this (“E.T.”, “tractor beams”, etc…) does nothing for the LENR community (i.e. no information content to increase our rate of progress) and makes the community look foolish to the same academic science detractors who worked to destroy Dr. Fleischmann and LENR. If we are playing to an ignorant Star-Trek SciFi base of non-scientists, we should not do it here. It is embarrassing our community.

    • georgehants

      Anon, nowhere near as “embarrassing” as the scientific community denying and debunking everything beyond a steam engine,
      Are you suggesting that incompetent closed-minded science Handled the P&F situation or Cold Fusion today as it should?
      “Embarrassing” is far to moderate a word for the establishment clowns who laughing call themselves “scientists”
      Wait, Bob will either be genuine or not, that is life but a closed-mind is total incompetence in science.

      • Anon2012_2014

        “nowhere near as “embarrassing” as the scientific community denying and debunking everything beyond a steam engine”

        Past wrongs by bad scientists don’t make this a good strategy for Bob and LENR.

        George, I want Bob to win. The above statement in riddles is not helping.

        • georgehants

          Anon, great to hear you “want Bob to win”
          Best

          • Anon2012_2014

            Bob is doing good work in what we call LENR using open science that allows us to follow along at home. I just don’t like the SciFi name dropping (tractor beams, ET, etc…). It adds nothing.

          • georgehants

            Anon, again are you a mystic that can foresee the future.
            Accept you do not know if “tractor beams” are proven in Bob’s “O” day.
            It is as daft as science saying it “Knows” there are no genuine UFO’s, total unscientific incompetence, They DO NOT KNOW. they live in a religious dream of blind denial.

          • Anon2012_2014

            George H,

            Picture this. There is a second or third year undergraduate engineering, chemistry, or physics student following along on ECW and MFMP. They occasionally put a pencil to paper (or Matlab) to review the results as they come out here. We are battling for their minds. By taking the discussion off topic into the realm of mysticism or 3 fingered aliens, students at age 19 who have been taught the scientific method and believe in science (i.e. the scientific method of proving and disproving hypotheses), but who have no pre-conceived notion about LENR (ingrained by DOE Tokamak guy) are lost to the LENR cause.

            Bob is a leader of MFMP. Making professional scientific announcements serves MFMP.

          • georgehants

            Anon, I can say no more, a closed-mind in science makes science a joke, you seem to be suggesting that students should not have been encouraged to Research Cold Fusion etc. etc. etc. years ago or UFO’s etc. today, Science DOES NOT KNOW if there are genuine UFO’s. and any scientist who makes out they do is not telling the Truth.
            Good chat thank you.

          • Mylan

            Science needs evidence and reproduceability. The first is rare, the second is missing when it comes to LENR.
            Many people have claimed working LENR, but so far nobody publicly and undeniably demonstrate overunity. Complete projects like Defkalion simply disappeared although they claimed they had a working LENR reactor. How would that happen if they had what they said? Do you believe anything somebody tells you if you like what they say? I would like to do that too, but that is not how the world works.
            Unfortunately, also Bob has a history of great claims that were not followed by data.
            I sure I wish for LENR to be true just as much as you do. But I’m also sure that only hard facts can help the cause. Anything else is a distraction that helps nobody, just the opposite.
            Just as Anon I would wish that the discussions here could stay somewhat professional and not drift into extremely wild speculation. I’m having a hard time interesting friends of mine for LENR, because there is so much speculation and so little data. Of course it would be important to have as many interested followers as possible, some may have the means and resources of trying replications.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Learning is an iterative process, one must learn from ones miss-hits and not give up just because one did not get the answer first time otherwise the entire journey is pointless.

            As I have said elsewhere, this whole 5 years + has been very strange – because each encounter only showed what it needed to – no more. In re-evaluating data, particularly from NOVA and ECCO and actually taking a hard look at Hutchison’s actual physical samples (only many possible because someone tried to discredit and doxx me last year) did the picture become clear.

            Key was the strange radiation from ECCO and then later from LION.

            LION provided the visual and repeatable data to support the emerging realisation. Once realised – SEMs, EDXs, apparent strange goings on – all seem not strange at all.

            I have always said “I don’t care if I am wrong, I only care if I am right”

            Then there is strategy.

          • Robert Dorr

            I wish people wouldn’t conflate LENR with overunity, as it is nothing of the sort.

          • Mylan

            Overunity is what counts in the end, isn’t it?

          • Robert Dorr

            The production of inexpensive, renewable, non- resource intensive, energy is what is important.

          • Mylan

            How should LENR help to achieve that without overunity?

          • Robert Dorr

            Exactly, but I must disagree as to its relevance.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The ability to do useful work is what matters.

          • Omega Z

            LENR is no more “Overunity” the an ICE(internal combustion engine).

            LENR provides energy from a source/fuel that is activated by an external force. Be that a battery or hand crank such as an ICE.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is a matter of perspective and a perspective of matter

          • Anon2012_2014

            “a closed-mind in science makes science a joke, you seem to be suggesting that students should not have been encouraged to Research Cold Fusion etc. etc. etc. years ago or UFO’s etc.”

            George, if we cannot apply the scientific method of hypothesis testing to the question, then we can’t do science. This doesn’t mean that untestable phenomena A or B is not true. It means that we can’t do science on it. This in turn prevents us from engineering devices today based on a predictable model derived from the results of the hypothesis test. Our objective I believe is to make useful devices out of the phenomena known as LENR. By getting sidetracked into non-science such as “how many angels can fit on the head of a pin” when we cannot observe and test the hypothesis consumes our scarce resources that should be devoted to developing and testing as LENR hypotheses as quickly as possible.

            We need data and we need research money, lab time, and investigators as LENR is not supported by the mainstream academic research groups at major universities. (This because of the attack on LENR by the conventional hot fusion community back in the 1990s that regarded it as a threat to their funding.) Making headliner jokes here about a fictional three fingered anthropomorphic alien that happens to befriend a child is not helping as much as I would like to see (and believe it is likely) that alien civilization exists based on the Drake Equation.

            Anyway, I think we are both on the same side here George, but we are going to agree to disagree…

          • Omega Z

            “3 fingered aliens” and an opposable thumb….

          • Omega Z

            Hey George,
            Tractor beams are real tho at this point there of little use beyond being a laboratory novelty.

          • Axil Axil
      • Pekka Janhunen

        The problem is just that if a person doesn’t even make a claim, he’s not even wrong.

    • Axil Axil

      The physics is not new. It is using that physics in a process that has not been done before.

  • Jouni Tuomela

    Ok, it goes like this:
    With high voltages (500kV) and over you create spikes from the diamond slopes, which have the spins of materias electrons aligned and so shaped nice vortexes or toruses which being targetted to other media creates those phenomena.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GL3xAaIcvI https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/265837c17d6198a57572156343b2d35fba12bf9b14687b4808faca31822dd1f7.png

  • Bob Greenyer

    1) When it is ready – which is close.
    2) NOPE
    3) I have never spoken with TDL. If the people TDL associates with on TTSAAS have the goods, they should have delivered.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – SEM analysis sample description

    Here is the the main sample set layout for the pre-and post analysis of core components both before and after for the LION 2 experiment.

    The Silver and Cu used were determined in September 2017 to be essentially pure to the capability of the EDS technique used.

    https://youtu.be/sJ83XjyMOnA

  • Bob Greenyer

    My strategy will seem justified after ‘O Day’

    I am not disappointed with this realisation – especially since on review of past work by MFMP and others – the evidence for it is everywhere. I just feel stupid for not having seen things earlier – in fact, I did but thought ‘Oh, that’s weird’ and moved on.

    I thank all those scientists that said what was needed and all those that have taken analysis of our work and others seriously over the years.

    • If your hypothesis is directly testable, I recommend you do that before you O-day.

      A newly designed experiment to capture exactly what you think is going on (or not), will be a lot more powerful to many than whatever dots you think you’ve connected in images and previously published work.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It has already been done – like I say – it is a realisation.

        • Charlie tapp

          Your own expierement or something someone did that didn’t know the unknown accomplishment they didn’t know they were wanting to know. See what I did there ha ha? Also the letters o w n are in the words know, known,knows and unknown. Does that mean I own everything I know or don’t know..so the world is mine. Wierd!!!! Come on bob let us know the unknown

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Overview makeup of the raw 3M Diapad ‘cookies’

    https://youtu.be/BiBvUXCN8A8

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Diapad Diamond / Nickel Underside

    Is an unusual observation being driven by the electric field shape resonance of diamond in Nickel??

    https://youtu.be/Ty0ork1pznM

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Diamond tip

    Close up on the tip of a typical industrial diamond as found in 3M Diapads.

    https://youtu.be/9AacFG5FWYc

  • Bob Greenyer

    The alumina tubes used for the the LION experiments are principally Al2O3 with some Atomic % of Mg 1.4 and Ca 0.4.

    In other places there is 0.3% Si

    There are some spots with Fe and some small dark areas with a high concentration of Flourine.

    https://youtu.be/ZGAEdqlo478

    • Bruce__H

      Is this from sample 2 = alumina tube never used for LION experiment?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes.

  • georgehants

    EurekAlert
    Public Release: 22-Feb-2018
    Quantum recurrence: Everything goes back to the way it was
    At some point, complex systems return
    almost exactly to their initial state. For the first time, this
    recurrence theorem has now been demonstrated with complex quantum
    many-body systems at TU Wien (Vienna).
    Vienna University of Technology
    It is one of the most astonishing results of physics: when a complex
    system is left alone, it will return to its initial state with almost
    perfect precision. Gas particles, for example, chaotically swirling
    around in a container, will return almost exactly to their starting
    positions after some time. This “Poincaré Recurrence Theorem” is the
    foundation of modern chaos theory. For decades, scientists have
    investigated how this theorem can be applied to the world of quantum
    physics. Now, researchers at TU Wien (Vienna) have successfully
    demonstrated a kind of “Poincaré recurrence” in a multi-particle quantum
    system. The results have been published in the journal Science
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-02/vuot-qre022218.php

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks George, they are only 90mins from me, may look them up – their are going to flip their box on ‘O Day’

    • cashmemorz

      This would fit in with the model of the universe that Mills’ theory predicts. The universe returns to its dense state, in each of its trillion year cycles, as much as it returns, or goes through any other part or phase in those cycles. The big bang does not acknowledge such a return to an original state. So the Quantum Recurrence is one more independent prediction of one of the features of the cyclic universe, that is predicted by Mills’ theory.

      • georgehants

        cashmemorz, Science is Wonderful when it progresses with an open-mind, like Bob in this case, Mills will be proven right or wrong as long as these things do not get bogged down for hundreds of years by scientific half-wits that believe they KNOW that genuine UFO’s etc. etc. are impossible

    • Ophelia Rump

      Boltzmann knew.

      • Alain Samoun

        Yeah,they discovered entropy again.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • artefact

      I use that at work a lot. You can draw a line around things you know you don’t know and separate them. More difficult are the things you don’t know that you don’t know. The new things which do not fit in a pre defined category.

    • Steve H

      No matter how much anyone knows, it is still very little to what can be known.

      The mother or father who loves and cares for their children is just as important as the greatest scientist, regardless of their knowledge.
      More so when that extends to every other organism in the universe.

    • This reminds me of those A. Whitney Brown videos from about a decade ago. Be warned, if you are a pro-patriotic United States dude, you will be upset by watching them:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg76Df0oSbM

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY6ySiAYvSs

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes

  • Bob Greenyer

    We pivoted several times when things had low yield. All experience is valuable if you get to the desired destination.

  • Bob Greenyer

    After reading a volume of the scientific Britannica, my first real scientific question I yearned to have answered was – why were elements distributed where they are… This journey has revealed the answers.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Quote from Arthur C. Clarke – a founding contributor ot infinite energy and one of the few authors I have read.

    loose the word quantum and you are getting there.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Donald Rumsfeld left one category out – but then it was not relevant if you were ‘in the know’ – that is…

    “Unknown Knowns”, that is to say things that certain people know that you don’t know they know and this is what can be used to hold dominion over man. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6fc0978f3b17221e63855ed6d4e1c23cab437f105ffebaa4f1b5700941c20087.jpg

  • Axil Axil

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140203154936.htm

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2014/02/140203154936_1_540x360.jpg

    The same physics that gives tornadoes their ferocious stability lies at the heart of new University of Washington research, and could lead to a better understanding of nuclear dynamics in studying fission, superconductors and the workings of neutron stars.

    This is what O day is all about.

  • Brokeeper

    Bob, did you get some of your inspiration by following the eccentric but genius John Hutchison?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I replied to this, quite a long reply, but it has not posted.

      I will answer this again in my AMA and any other questions after ‘O Day’

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    Waiting to see the SEM & EDS data from the used fuel discs.

    Why was the melted blob that was found inside the Lion 2 fuel tube not included?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6e3bc233f2d49ea4a280205c0d4ba50c146230879a866e2694bf26bec234d07.png

    • Bob Greenyer

      Not looked at that yet. But intend to.

      I suspect it is the remaining 7 and 1/3rd of the Diapad discs that have yet to turn up in the ash.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Do you know how many discs Lion loaded into the Lion 2 fuel tube and how he kept them from moving about in the space between the bolt and and the closed end of the fuel tube?

        • Bob Greenyer

          I understand it was 25, LION 1 was 10, though, in the interests of preserving the strange radiation track for further study, I have not opened the cell to confirm.

          The higher number of discs might account for the increased disruption of materials, expression of signature effects and claimed high temperatures/self sustain. My own understanding is that you will only need 1 properly prepared disc as long as the diamond tips are aligned with the EM field lines in the tube furnace.

          There was no particular effort to hold / contain them in LION 2 as I understand it.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob, who wrote:
            “My own understanding is that you will only need 1 properly prepared disc as long as the diamond tips are aligned with the EM field lines in the tube furnace.”

            How is an industrial diamond piece aligned with an external EM field? As I understand the 3M process, the diamond bits on the discs are in a random arrangement, so there is no diamond to diamond lattice algnment.

            Assuming a single active diamond, can you illustrate how to do this?

            Why is this important?

            BTW the fields in a solenoid generate an axial H field but not an axial E field, So to which field does the active diamonds need to be aliigned? Axial H field or circular E field?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff2b7332d0e1813713436f22c2219c339c5a041384a9475b554b86f1f3a71870.jpg

          • Bob Greenyer

            1. You have a shape energy focus electron emitting structure (Diamond) embedded in an easily magnetizable metal (see video of EDS analysis of diamond tip poking through Ni). Tips of the diamonds, in close proximity to the Nickel should be either parallel or perpendicular to the fields – there are only two real options. Since the diamonds are random shapes and orientations, some will be in the right orientation in these cookies and more cookies mean better chance of getting in the sweet spot.

            2. Non-Close spacing of coils, as in Celani wire and Looking for Heat ‘Model T’ is important for electrostatic/magnetic/ thermal field gradients.

            These two aspect can be varied to optimise nucleation of the active LENR component.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 3 – Gold Chloride stained glass exposed to reactor

    Contrast adjusted and ‘Gold(III) chloride’ colorised from greyscale

    NOTE: Raw glass reportedly even toned

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b482a43314efc9993d2006bb6fff8ca38c9bec2a9e5403aafa2074f2c093ad1a.png

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Was that during operation, or later?

      • Bob Greenyer

        After.

        Both Gold and Chlorine are very important.

        Gold – most noble metal with large number of protons/electrons and highly conductive with higher melting point than most conductive metal (Silver).

        Chlorine – Highest electron affinity, that is to say – it wants to grab electrons more than anything else (… and analogue type structures) more than any other element.

        Together, they are near perfect for interaction with the active structures.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          OK, thanks. Some other questions:

          1- Did the glass touch the reactor (I assume it didn’t)?
          2- Do you have a photo of the glass before the exposure?
          3- Are there any measurement data?

          • Bob Greenyer

            1. It is from the bottom round tip of the tube which sat on the glass – so you can imagine the contents of the core may have dropped to be close to the tip also.

            2. I will be receiving the control glass and the exposed glass for further examination next week.

            3. In what way?

          • Andreas Moraitis

            3 – Radiation. If I remember correctly, LION did radiation measurements in earlier experiments.

          • Bob Greenyer

            He used our Bubbletech Neutron detectors during L2 – no detections. Alan Goldwater in US will have 3He and 6Li to look for Neutrons and the Pankake and NaI to look for other radiation and gamma.

            I only recorded 1 potential strange radiation track from L2 in 200+ hours of exposure. Must do longer runs for Alpha, Beta and Gamma with L3 as soon as it arrives.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Thanks.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I wish Rossi well, obviously, the technology is researched for the same end goals, no one person has the exclusive right to provide affordable energy. May the best value proposition provider be verified in the market.

    Rossi has moved from one concept to another as time has gone on. Rossi has not stated that he used Carbon or Diamond in combination with Nickel and between our publication of Celani’s work, my proposal in March 2014 and the revealing of the LION reactor, if his tech employs and needs carbon in the ways put forward, he has no protection. Moreover, if the emerging technology is superior or very significantly easier than his offering, it will obviously be strong competition. A technology fusion between ECCO and LION might mean very simple engineering and high output devices – the kind of devices that could be made at home with basic skills.

    It seems to me that Rossi either does not know how his system works, or he has been wasting a series of intellectuals time over the course of his story. I fully expect it to be the same effect as observed in LION, ECCO, Hutchison etc.etc. and no man or organisation can or has any right to own/control it.

    I suspect that the realisation I have had will have most applications you could imagine that matter.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Not withstanding Bob’s riddles — we have learned more from Bob’s live open science than we have learned from Rossi in the last 5 years 100 times over. When Bob, MFMP (and Alan and Alan) finish the runs they provide the data for us to confirm our hypotheses and develop new ones. That is science. Rossi doesn’t tell us anything other than one word answers (i.e. “yes”) or occasionally one sentence answers (“The plasma has a magnetic field”). The rate of information flow from Rossi is essentially a 30 to 50 byte question input with a 1 bit answer (yes/no) back, once per day. Bob’s rate is 100x. Bob hides nothing. Thank you Bob.

      P.S. Bob’s YouTube video presentations are pretty good not withstanding the “Tractor Beam” titles.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hey – I like that title… after ‘O Day’ you might too!

        Thanks… just trying.

        • Frost*

          To coin a children’s phrase “Are we nearly there yet?”

          • Bob Greenyer

            I’ve been saying that since I was a child about realistic forms of transformational energy – and I’m 45 now.

            Having said that, depends on your definition of ‘Nearly’.. by mine, we are ‘Nearly’ there – IF I can find time away from my domestic chores.

  • Anon2012_2014

    That great — but off topic for LENR. Our focus here is on the success of LENR.

  • artefact

    “Using a fractal design not only made the antennas smaler
    but enabled them to receive a much wider range of frequencies.
    And then I worked backwards and thought why is it working that way.
    What is it about nature that requires you to use the fractal to get there.
    The result of that work was a mathematical theorem that showed if
    you want to get something that works as an antenna over a very wide range
    of frequencies you need to have self simularity – it has to be fractal
    in its shape to make it work. And that was an exact solution. It turned out
    that mathematically we were able to demonstrate that is was the only
    technique to get there.” – Nathan Cohen

    https://youtu.be/wkI0y43EqHI?t=1884

    • Bob Greenyer

      And that is the basis of the super wave. But nature self organises this way and LION does.

    • Steve H

      Some similarities with Celtic art.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Keep going

        • Steve H

          Probably dealing with levels of consciousness – Druids, Shamanism, altered states and Remote Viewing.
          I’m guessing the Celts didn’t have access to SEM technologies.

          From recent reading this is how South American and Aborigine art was created and passed down through the ages. Asian Indian as well, I should imagine, although I haven’t read anything on that.

          The USA military have been spending hundreds of millions of dollars every year since at least the 1980’s – on Remote Viewing (Ingo Swann et. al.). It must be successful, otherwise they would have shut that programme down in it’s infancy.

          • georgehants

            Morning Steve it is common knowledge that one of the remote viewers was given a medal for finding the position of American hostages.
            ———
            Prof M.G. Hocking – 2016 – ‎ScienceBut in other fields, remote viewing has been recognised, and the USA government has extensively used remote viewing observations, and even awarded a Congressional Medal to one of the CIA Remote Viewing Group (Joseph McMoneagle) for his remote viewing intelligence observations (McMoneagle,
            ———
            We must be careful what we say as there could be establishment educated “scientists” on page that might have heart attack if asked to look beyond a steam engine at actual Evidence.
            Always remember the scientific holy priests have declared that they KNOW that genuine UFO’s etc. etc. are impossible.

          • Engineer48

            Hi George,

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McMoneagle

            “According to McMoneagle, humans came from creatures somewhat like sea otters rather than primates and were created in a laboratory by creators who “seeded” the earth and then departed.[23]”

          • suhas R

            Hi Engineer 48
            According to Hindu Mythology there is Dashavatar That is God Vishnu starts life on earth with Matsya ie fish to Kurma ieTurtoise then Varaha is Pig etc t then Rama Krishna last being Buddha.
            That is how life starts in water then follows………Google will tell more clearly the Dashavtar evolution
            Suhas Ralkar

          • Steve H

            Morning georgehants,
            Yes I understand.
            It is difficult to have a serious conversation with people who have only ever read mainstream newspapers and tv media. Unfortunately it seems that most people, including academics – fall into this category.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am a remote viewer, never been trained, but much of this I saw well before the evidence came. Hal Puthoff must know by now that I am.

            I have predicted significant events in the world and in my own personal life and family with 100% accuracy from the age of 4. I have never been able to control it, but I have learnt to see with much more increased frequency.

            This may be weird for some people. I have accepted it now.

            Later this year there will be a documentary on the US remote viewing program.

          • Steve H

            I guessed as much from a previous comment you made some days back. This would appear to be a great benefit but I also know that with photographic memory it is a double edged sword. You remember all the bad as well as good, forever.
            Do you have a control and use pen and paper, or do you see it in your mind as a type of deja vu?

          • Bob Greenyer

            What I choose to do is not read a book on the subject first, so my sight is not coloured. Then I focus on what I want to learn, preferably in phase somewhere between sleep and awake. Then, when I view something, I have to wake up and write it down or I will loose it. Then I look to see if there is any evidence that is in line with the solutions viewed.

            Other times, it just happens.

          • Steve H

            Thanks Bob, very interesting.

          • Shango

            What next ? Jesus’s reincarnation?
            This is sad. You should read the story of the poet Al-Hallaj.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You know nothing about me. In the last few weeks I can prove that I have done this, by virtue of sequence of events – multiple times.

            Watch what you can about remote viewing and also wait for the documentary at the end of this year.

            Judge me after ‘O Day’ and remember how you felt when you wrote this put down.

    • Carl Wilson

      Connections between fractal geometry and Stephen Wolfram’s “A New Kind of
      Science”?

      • georgehants

        Carl, I have a copy of Wolfram’s book, I agree if things work out many things could all come together.

  • Bruce__H

    The Hutchison samples have transmutations? How can you know that without also evaluating controls? My very reasonable supposition is that the properties you are seeing are pretty common even in materials that have never been exposed to the Hutchison effect.

    I’d be interested in knowing which of your Hutchison samples were in videos and where I can see those videos. I am looking for particular samples in which the video shows the before state of a particular sample you have and its transformation into its final state. as you see it now.

  • Charlie tapp

    Why is he so silent if it worked as said, especially the anti gravity stuff does not make sense to me why wouldn’t he show you that if you guys are close? Just curious

    • Bob Greenyer

      When you have done something for 30 years over 700 times and it didn’t really bring anything new to your life and people you did work with refuse to share the data with you – wouldn’t you want to do something when you can get more fun out of it.

      He equipment is in Germany now owned by the group I visited. The earliest any attempt at replication would be after march.

  • Charlie tapp

    The swirly thing looks like half of Ed leadskaldins symbol kind of any correlation?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Well done.

      Absolutely

      You get into ‘O Day’

  • georgehants

    Afternoon Bob, you make the connection between Cold Fusion and your “realisation”, after “O” day how possible will it be for others to be able to produce a device showing a worthwhile higher output than input do you think.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Based on LION, high, given the right approach.

      Radiation risk still needs to be determind

      • TomR

        Thank you Bob, for your answer and thank you George, for your question. Bob, do you think the Looking For, Heat Model T reactor, will be able to be used in such a devise?

        • Bob Greenyer

          It will be able to be used to determine many aspects – indeed it is being used by LION to do just that – and there are many things to determine – with a wide scale distributed effort, parameters could be nailed fast.

          I think a modified ECCO device would deal with many of the issues and be a good start toward a practical device.

          • Do you have University involvement at this stage?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Given past experience, I don’t think that is the most productive use of time.

            We have it lined up for when the job is done.

          • What’s the latest with me356? Is he looped into O-day in any meaningful way?

            Last we heard he was taking a commercialization tack and we shouldn’t really expect an MFMP revisit.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We wish him well, he said he would approach testers when he is confident of the result.

          • georgehants

            LENR G, good joke, ha.

  • HAL9000

    Bob, have you seen any physical evidence (however subtle) of gravity modification (“anti-gravity”) in any of the experimental results you have studied?

  • artefact

    Bob, have you heard of Dr. Z?

    • Frost*

      They make guitar amps don’t they?

  • Alan Smith —
    Wondering where you are on the BG-O-Meter.

    Do you agree with Bob’s O-Day conclusions (I’m assuming he’s shared them with you and MFMP already)?

    • Alan Smith

      I’m waiting to read the full ‘Story of O’. 🙂

      • Stephen Taylor

        Alan, can you give us an update regarding the third LION control run?

        • Alan Smith

          Of course, still waiting for a much more knowledgeable materials scientist than me to come to the lab and salami-slice it with a diamond saw. I’m keen for him to teach me how it’s done. Not forgotten, just delayed.

      • Given that some of the participants here believe in UFOs, remote viewing, 9/11 conspiracy theories including hijacked planes carrying nose cone annihilation beams and connect dots like nobody’s business, I personally am going to need some **rock solid science and evidence** to get anywhere on O-day.

        Help us Obi-Wan-Alan, you’re our only hope!

        • georgehants

          LENR G, some of the “participants here” do not “believe” in UFO’s etc. etc. but have correct scientific open-minds willing to look at Evidence and follow scientific logic.
          Any person who states or is unwilling to follow that correct scientific procedure is trained incorrectly and cannot be classed as a scientist.
          This is not an opinion but indisputable scientific logic, unshakable and pure science.
          It is amazing to me how many are willing to put themselves in to demonstrating their inability to follow that kindergarten scientific logic because of beliefs and opinions.
          Science is not about beliefs negative or positive but, clear open-minded logic,followed by Research on any subject in our reality.

        • Alan Smith

          “Help us Obi-Wan-Alan, you’re our only hope!”.

          I have been compared- not unkindly – by a friend to Yoda. In which case I can only say “Help you I can, yes.”

        • Alan Smith

          If dependent on me, then truly screwed you are. :-).

          • As long as you’re looking for heat, I’ll be looking over your shoulder.

            Plus if you can levitate while sitting Indian-style, I’d like to see that.

  • artefact

    Two spots from Birkeland current (or similar)?

    “Birkeland currents are also one of a class of plasma phenomena called a z-pinch, so named because the azimuthal magnetic fields produced by the current pinches the current into a filamentary cable. This can also twist, producing a helical pinch that spirals like a twisted or braided rope, and this most closely corresponds to a Birkeland current. Pairs of parallel Birkeland currents will also interact due to Ampère’s force law: parallel Birkeland currents moving in the same direction will attract each other with an electromagnetic force inversely proportional to their distance apart whilst parallel Birkeland currents moving in opposite directions will repel each other. There is also a short-range circular component to the force between two Birkeland currents that is opposite to the longer-range parallel forces.

    Electrons moving along a Birkeland current may be accelerated by a plasma double layer. If the resulting electrons approach relativistic velocities (i.e. if they approach the speed of light) they may subsequently produce a Bennett pinch, which in a magnetic field causes the electrons to spiral and emit synchrotron radiation that may include radio, optical (i.e. visible light), x-rays, and gamma rays.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birkeland_current

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes, this is in line. There will be many similar features discussed and explored as replications occur.

    Thanks for looking closer.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good contribution thanks.

    You cannot limit yourself to surface effects and the active structures want to interact at the atomic level and are more ‘active’ than most things normaly observed in chemistry.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP Hutchison Sample 18 – first SEM EDS

    MFMP Hutchison sample 18 reveals large scale transmutation from Aluminium to Cu, Zn, Fe, S, P, Si, Mg and Ca in ‘spherical inclusions’ in craters

    https://youtu.be/D3A2GpQWbm0

  • Bob Greenyer

    Strong feature correlation between VERY LARGE Hutchison sample and Various LION 2 features

    ‘Hutchison Cross’ vs LION 3

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/51f1eef09f1f04a7d93466de6d8156748ca2d45d3d09dc75385f52807382c6e8.gif

  • georgehants

    How One Quantum Particle Can Send Messages to Itself
    Just another demonstration of the magic of quantum superposition.
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a18675995/how-one-quantum-particle-can-send-and-receive-messages-to-itself/

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob,sorry about keep getting ahead of things but that is where my mind is.
    Do you feel that the the materials creating the designs etc, have an awareness of their own or are being directed from an exterior force?

    • Bob Greenyer

      They have will, intent.

      Everything is connected.

      • georgehants

        Thanks Bob, after “O” day you are going to stay on ECW I hope, Please!!!!

        • Bob Greenyer

          I hope so.

          • LION

            Hi BOB,
            I missed the post again yesterday and this morning, what a sleepy head. However Camden Town Post Office is open till 5.30PM today, so will head there after lunch as they also have a Maplins store too.
            The package contains the glass and some X Ray emulsions and of course the control.
            All the best.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Fantastic LION, I hope to get access to my neighbours 9600dpi 32bit per channel scanner – but he is always so busy!

            Thanks

          • Jas

            Ahh Camden Town.. I used to drink there and go to gigs in the late 80’s and early 90’s. Dingwalls was a favourite and The Camden Falcoln. Plus the Good Mixer.

      • psi2u2

        How do you distinguish that?

        • Bob Greenyer

          I will make my case in ‘O Day’

    • Axil Axil

      The Hutchison effect implies that the basic cause of LENR is based on a unique electromagnetic pattern. There are many natural mechanisms that can produce that pattern: Microbes, chickens, microcavities in a metal lattice, electrical equipment, magnets, hexagonal crystal structures, electrodes and anodes, lithium batteries, to name a few.

      It is simple cause and effect. If the unique electromagnetic pattern is produced (cause), the LENR reaction will occur(effect).

  • Bob Greenyer

    Little time.

    Bob Higgins has several large samples (and some small bonus ones) and is awaiting delivery of his EDS head for is SEM. There was little point spending a lot of precious donations in this session, especially since the entire sample was transmuted in the case of 18 to some degree.

    Bob has 2 large aluminium samples and one steel sample (which is a large section from which MFMP sample 10 was taken. In each case he can look at unaffected areas

    Sample 10 has incredible correlation with the X-Ray from LION-3 and its substructures and with spheres from NOVA.

    After ‘O Day’ it will become clear why the sampling was done where it was.

    The Max Plank institute in Germany and US and Japanese labs did far more extensive studies of Hutchison samples.

    To have some ‘spheres’ largely Fe or Cu or Zn by weight + George Ohsawa reaction products in a whole that is large Al2O3 was all I needed to get out of this session since Hutchison worked in Air.

    Data might be considered useless if it has no context or there is no other examples of study on a similar process. In this case it is very revealing.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Looking at the unaffected areas is a good idea.

      Do you have a link to any of the German/US/Japanese studies?

      • Bob Greenyer

        I have a cover letter from John on the German data with an overview discussed.

        The only tables I have seen published anywhere are in Judy Woods book on page 367.

        John has been fighting the US military to get data published for 2 decades – it is one reason he is so interested in seeing what we find as he has been let down by others.

        Our data is in line with previous work and NOVA – That is to say that Fe in Air produces George Ohsawa products on its surface (due to Fe stability) and Al goes to Fe Cu Zn + George Ohsawa products. In the other studies they found Ni, we have only just started looking.

        The process in LION, NOVA, ECCO and Hutchison are the same. Strange radiation, signature marks and same family of reaction outcomes – ergo – same process. Hutchison and NOVA happens in air – LION happens to a large degree in air.

        LENR can happen in Air, just like ball lightning, which is a well documented real and natural phenomena that also acts the same way to ceramics as observed in LENR.

      • Bob Greenyer

        On sample 18, there are no unaffected areas. there are on the samples bob has.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The mind state of humanity is important, but this technology has its own will and determination and acts everywhere all the time, and if you feed it and give it the right things, it will move in the way it wants to. It can be influenced by intent – it is a conscious technology.

    That is why last year I asked the question “how much do we want this”

  • Bob Greenyer

    How does the active component create Caulliflowers with fractal structures and golden ratio?

    How does the active component create the same form at different scales including one in Quartz that is also this shape? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/afabe54f4b66da58a95ca9866d30edb5f50a1f73cb6c36bd55e5771357769ba8.jpg

    • Martijn

      Nice feature there!
      A couple of things draw my attention apart from the obvious vortexlike structure.
      First is the black stain to the left of the vortex… Looks like it belongs to the same structure that caused the vortex imprint, similar to the double features you and Axil pointed out earlier.
      Secondly the vortex like more like liquified glass than fractured glass. So this could be similar to Shoulders borehole structures but this one is quite a bit larger.

      I would be really curious to see the stresses in the glass. If this feature was a result of heating it would look quite different from EVO Interaction. I’d expect the latter case to produce very little stress compared to the heat case.
      Heat induced melting would show up with concentric circles around this feature.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is disappeared glass, the photo is taken from the outside, inside, the material is gone, not there, vanished. It is the same process as shoulders.

        Here is the cauliflower, in case you missed it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a8eccc47bb18612ec87d641e7e28651b09e23d990f89e4c40b2c153d08e34cfc.jpg

        • Martijn

          Did notice the cauliflower. It seems to be another type of interaction with the EVO. This is more fractal. At this point I can only guess and there is not much data to help.
          If you assume the EVO has a donut shape (or a stack of donuts) it could be an interaction with whatever comes out of the hole. A beam of some kind?
          Perhaps the vortex in the glass is the beam hitting the glass and the cauliflower is essentially the same but this is also the annihilation of the EVO spilling its guts?
          I’m grasping at straws here… I know a bit about glass, but EVO glass interaction is a new field of science.
          The great advantage about glass is of course transparency, so you can visualise what happened. Like frozen in time and quite pretty too!

          • Bob Greenyer

            The image is data and it is a lot of data.

            They’ll be a lot of Jewellery made from this.

            EVOs make literally all kinds of structures. Mostly based on platonic solids and similar for good reasons. Fractal in nature.

          • Martijn

            You can’t simulate the use of polarised light by editing the image after it’s been taken.
            Anyway, perhaps it’s time to join in and do some LENR experiments of my own. MFMP and lookingforheat make it a lot easier to get started!

            Hopefully ‘O day’ will also give some extra insights in how to use the LENR Active Agent in a setup to produce useful labor. Up to now I’ve seen a lot of destructive potential, but tapping it to convert directly into electrical energy without destroying the reactor in the process would be awesome. Can’t wait.

          • Bob Greenyer

            ‘O Day’ will.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Axil Axil

    The reason why the patterns of transmutation seen in the LION reactor results are interesting is because these patters correlate to the behavior, structure, and mobility of the LENR active agent.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes, absolutely, in context with ECCO, NOVA and Hutchison, they tell you what LENR is actually doing, not what people have assumed it was doing over the past decades.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – Nub end macro photos.

    You can download the 32 bit per RGB channel versions of theses photos here for deep analysis.

    https://goo.gl/FsnC4R

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bruce, people are going to replicate LION

    In cavities, the will find ‘sphere like objects’

    These ‘spheres’ will not be the starting material.

    LENR is done, and the mechanism too. The correlation in effect over nearly 40 years is so strong now – and with coming replications it will be accepted sooner or later by even the die-hard sceptics.

    Hutchison samples have exactly the same geometric features on them as LION and NOVA, in time you may accept that. These feature ARE NOT chemical driven, they are driven by the process which is not what people have thought for so long. There will be a point where you will throw up your hands and go, ok – I get it.

  • artefact
    • artefact

      It was not so easy to detect the middle and I did not highlight all. Maybe if done correctly it looks like this(?):
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d19123337da33a38a24a7768f8490958cce78d27375d63e7914a4cd1c74cd68.jpg

      • artefact

        One more for it is not in the shiny crystals:

        (Probably it is the yellow circle and not the outher left one)

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01fe289bfaf149cd9cd91d145eb93f1657bad9dd4d8583441720e400686932b8.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        Good job artefact – before long – 1000s of people all over the world will have that moment like you have had.

        The flower defines the platonic solids. I remote viewed its importance in this story before I saw the evidence, in ‘O Day’ you will see the irrefutable evidence. This is not a discovery, it is a realisation and it cannot be owned – it is every mans right and we need it now and must respect it all the same.

        Nature is so beautiful.

        LION, NOVA, Hutchison is not chemistry driven process.

        This is going to be difficult for a LOT of people – but cathartic at the same time.

        • artefact

          I had good help to find the spots at 08:27 🙂 (OT: sorry)
          https://youtu.be/dsTGJzk7Z4s?t=507

          • Bob Greenyer

            hahah – love it!

        • artefact

          Bob, can you send me a mail. I don’t have yours any more. I want to share with you another pic that does not fit here. You should have my mail from the donation corespondence. Else Frank can give it to you.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ok – bit late now, but will look tomorrow.

            BTW – well done really, you have an eye for this.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You may see this, so here is a big tip.

            Go to some of the raw images from Sample 18 – look closely at the ‘spheres’ one in particular…

            what does it look like?

            what does that tell you?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Send a message through quantumheat.org contact form and I will get a copy and reply.

        • artefact

          Around each of the circles around the big circle are smaler spots again.
          With a higher resolution it is probably doing so again and again.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08d7a3d1782bbceac34f96ba13fd4489986bfa9fc4fe2d93eb6dd5c086d3f582.jpg

        • pink panther

          “Remote viewed”? You wouldn’t be a fan of Ingo Swann perchance?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Don’t know who that is.

            I just see things of significance happen before they happen. A good number of times in past year and many times in last several months. Started when I was about 4. Scared a few people in my time. Right now I am focussing, as I have done for several years, on this puzzle – and it really has been a little weird of late. Still, let’s see eh?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Are you really not able to see the structures?

    Can you really say you cannot see the rings of spheres with a sphere in the middle all over LION and Hutchison samples?

    Have you got an adequate explanation for strange radiation?

    How are you able to have so much physical in your face evidence and STILL maintain confidence that nothing you don’t already know about is going on?

  • Bob Greenyer

    go and look at the Jewel, right side corner on the inside.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes – what do you think it is. Think 3D

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • artefact

      I see flowers 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is a beautiful thing – hope Bob can get access to better camera – this sample is like the effects on LION – just blown up.

        I love the way the perimeter of the ‘jewel’ here has equidistantly spaced ‘spheres’ – tells you so much about this scale of the active component – and since it is fractal, it teaches you about all scales.

        Like I said below, perhaps a ‘nano-lion’ core close to a few blocks of insulated aluminium in the Hutchison lab in Germany will make the effect very repeatable.

    • Dr. Mike

      Would you give us a little more information about this sample? 1) What is the starting material? 2) what process did the sample go through? 3) How was the sample cleaved to create the cross sections? 4) What materials and crystal structures are now present in this sample?

      • Bob Greenyer

        1) Industrially pure Aluminium billet place on a non-conducting surface
        2) 1 or 2 VDG/Tesla coil (under or around 500,000V at 15′ from active zone), a wide range of RF in the milliwatt range, possibly addition of alpha/beta source in the form of a large lump of good uranium ore (need to confirm if this was used in this experiment)
        3) Presumably a standard workshop band saw, will check
        4) Bob Higgins has this piece and intends to take samples and do SEM / EDS when his EDS head arrives for his SEM. Before then it needs much better photography as much of the key information is in the location of the features both macro and micro, especially the equidistant micro ‘spheres’ around the macro features.

        John adds

        “Large aluminium block that wood sunk into. The wood appears powdery so i put glue into it after I cut the bar in half. I might have pictures of this bar before I cut it. The metal oddly cuts easy unlike ordinary aluminium so its structure might have changed. This was done in lab no 2 at Kingways and 13 avenue.”

        He notes that he may black and white video of the occurrence.

        Here is a photo of the top through which the cut was made. Note it is a hexagon with rounded corners as one would expect from the process and as you can clearly see in features in LeClaire metal witness plates and LION 2 quartz. I have asked Bob Higgins to get a better photo for analysis.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f8e3811debaade4542a9a8244c11502bc67c90832de6e3157f19d66992ecac8d.png

        • Dr. Mike

          Bob,
          Thanks for the info. It would be good for you to make sure you get the exact details of the experiment- please let us know what you find out. The above photo of the saw cut explains why the two pieces weren’t nearly mirror images as the cut goes along a straight edge of the feature at the top of the photo.

          • Bob Greenyer

            you can see it has git out about 2mm of material from the error on the hexagon.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I have a lot of details already in many different emails. Each lab was different, the process was variably initiated and the effects broad.

            After ‘O Day’ and LION replications it is top of my list.

    • Frost*

      Are these samples supposed to be two half’s of the same block of Aluminum? Because they don’t match to my eyes – they appear to be from two different pieces.

      • Bob Greenyer

        See picture below.

        The band saw has a thickness, since the process can remove material with atomic resolution, it is the luck of the draw.

        If Bob Higgins makes other sections at other angles, I expect the same thing to occur. That is one thing that is nice about the LION experiments, they split themselves due to the process and so you get fracture zones that are due to aspects of the effect, such as the original strange radiation fracture plane and the ‘Jewel’

  • keenant

    Thanks Musical Hemispheres, it is a good feeling when you finally see something and then you see it everywhere else. Hopefully we can work out most of these geometric LENR mysteries before ‘O’ day arrives.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Was sent this yesterday by John.

    https://youtu.be/-STQPccIdy4

    • Axil Axil

      Regarding the file that glowed brightly: Cold light is produced by polaritons on the surface of the file.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I do believe it is a surface impedance change related effect. More data to know. Hopefully, if it is possible to replicate in Germany this year, we might get lucky, As I have said before long and thin samples only exhibit this effect.

  • Bob Greenyer

    If there were, why would that be Bruce? Why?

    Be my guest with respect to conventional man made materials, see if you can find rings of ‘spheres’ equidistantly spaced and centred on rings of ‘spheres’ in chemical or heat treated/moulded samples where the spheres are very different in composition to the bulk material. I’d be very interested to see what you come up with. Good luck.

    I have already pointed out the hexagons and fractal elements are in natural structures and example would be craters on moons… Why?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Tom Bearden is close to understanding aspects of HE in his testimony here at 41m35s

    https://youtu.be/bB–m9Ap2AM?t=41m35s

  • artefact

    Kind of refering to your song contest video, Bob:
    Is the structure of the thing that is often visible as a swirl, defined by the cage (platonic solid)?
    Or is the structure of the platonic solid defined by the swirl thing? (decahedron for swirl, circle for dodecahedron, and so on)
    Do the shapes of the “cage” (platonic solid) have a deeper meaning in the sense of the material (atoms) that they contain?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Look at manhattan project / chicago pile … Atomic structures.

      Swirls go both ways – why assume it is formed going in?

      Fractal. Seed.

  • Bob Greenyer

    firstly, just like the Giant’s causeway in northern Ireland, basalt forms these hexagons all the time, it really is a way it cools and fractures.

    secondly LENR is a natural process – Ball lightning is the same thing – at least the Russians accept this and is why they have called their monthly meeting “Cold Nuclear Transmutation and Ball Lightning” for nearly 1/4 century – this is WHY I said “Why would that be Bruce?

    Selecting a bunch of things on a rock sample and suggesting they are circles within circles does not make them so, but in Hutchison samples they are.

    Moreover, I am putting the ‘spheres’ in parenthesis for a reason. That will become clear.

    There are no spheres on the vertexes of the hexagon you have highlighted, neither is there a ring of spheres around the vertexes.

    Sorry Bruce, nice try, but nowhere near good enough.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Axil Axil

      How does the Hutchison effect act to change the nature of metal from strong to week and mushy?

      Though some process of EMF interference, the EMF fields that Hutchison generated caused the electrons that formed the chemical bonds of the metal to be chiral polarized. This weakening of the chemical bonds of metal which normally would be chiral balanced.

      To explain, all life processes are chiral polarized to be left handed. This allows the chemical bonds of the chemistry that makes life possible to be easily opened. Self replication requires that life sustaining chemistry be supported by molecules with bonds that are easily broken.

      If life chemistry were stiff and unyielding as those bonds of metal, the cell replication could not occur.

      It may be a general rule of the universe that chiral polarization produces weak bonding both in chemistry and particle physics.

      Bob mentioned in one of his videos that the material in the LION reactor melt was soft and gooey. This state could have been produced by chiral polarizing EMF fields that also produce the LENR reaction, but these fields might also produce softening of matter through chemical bond weakening processes.

      http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genchem/topicreview/bp/intermol/intermol.html

      • Bruce__H

        Why would chirality make bonds weak? It shouldn’t. This is not correct so far as I know.

        • Axil Axil

          https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.3348

          The Chiral Magnetic Effect (CME) is the phenomenon of electric charge separation along the external magnetic field that is induced by the chirality imbalance. The CME is a macroscopic quantum effect – it is a manifestation of the chiral anomaly creating a collective motion in Dirac sea. Because the chirality imbalance is related to the global topology of gauge fields, the CME current is topologically protected and hence non-dissipative even in the presence of strong interactions. As a result, the CME and related quantum phenomena affect the hydrodynamical and transport behavior of systems possessing chiral fermions, from the quark-gluon plasma to chiral materials. The goal of the present review is to provide an elementary introduction into the main ideas underlying the physics of CME, a historical perspective, and a guide to the rapidly growing literature on this topic.

        • Axil Axil

          http://www.ingentaconnect.com/contentone/asp/jnn/2012/00000012/00000004/art00030?crawler=true

          The in-plane elastic properties of the monolayer graphene nanosheet are proved to be anisotropic. In addition, Young’s moduli, Poisson’s ratios and shear modulus of the monolayer graphene nanosheet are calculated according to the force constants derived from Morse potential and AMBER force field, respectively, and they were proved to be chirality-dependent.

        • Axil Axil

          In the video nugget, the interviewee states: “One end was hardened steel anf the other was soft s lead” how does that condition persist over time?

          Does the lead soft end return to the hardened state over time?

          The fact that the metal must be placed on an insulator must imply that the softening process involves electrons. But electrons do not move or flow in a current or are replaced. They are affected in place while they provide bonds within metal molecules. Therefore the nature of the electrons change. It cannot be their location or their charge so it must be their spin.

          Is the metal softening reversible? If we apply a electrical current to a portion of softened metal, does that effect the hardness of that piece of metal?

          To test spin, is the soft metal still para-magnetic or has it become magnetic or non magnetic?

          • Bob Greenyer

            It involves things that act as electrons – therefore you need to have it on an insulator. This will be the case for LENR.

            It may actually be lead! Though I think it is disrupted – kind of like badly sintered Fe powder from a direct laser metal sintering process.

            Once soft, it stays soft.

            in some cases – including a sample Bob Higgins now has part of – SS becomes magnetic in the middle but not at the ends.

      • Bob Greenyer

        In the solid state, this may play a role I don’t know, it should be considered, however the active component churns the material so you might like to think of it as taking a lattice bound material and removing many of the lattice connections and leaving a lot of gaps or boundaries.

        The softening in the LIONs occurs when the active component is doing its thing just as during Hutchison’s work, when the active component is broken up, some connections are re-made however, in the case of the ‘Cu2O’ it was very brittle.

  • Axil Axil

    Bob tested the diadisks for magnetism in LION 1, and those disks where highly magnetic. This is hard to understand, When a metal is subjected to a temperature above it curie point, it loses all magnetism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curie_temperature

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferromagnetism

    Those nickel disks should have been rendered non magnetic. So where did that magnetism come from?

    • Bob Greenyer

      The disks in LION 1 are still in LION 1, the disks I looked at were from LION 2

      To be fair, I was using a strong Nd based magnet – so not surprising they were moved by it.

      When LION 1 is opened – will check for magnetic properties before getting a magnet close to them.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      Nickel is ferromagnetic below it’s Currie temperature.

      So as long as the room temp Bob was in is below the Currie temp for Ni, the discs will be attracted to a magnet.

      • Stephen

        It does make me wonder if it needs to be above the Currie Temperature when in Operation. In order to have paramagnetic properties and perhaps be susceptible in that context to the Lenz Effect.

        I suppose this paramagnetic and Lenz effect like properties are applicable even when a metal is in the liquid or plasma state? The magneto hydrodynamics of that state could be interesting. Very hard to mathematically model though especially under perturbance of some kind.

        • Bob Greenyer

          In Piantelli thoery, the Ni has to be above the Curie point

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            That makes a bit of sense as stopping magnetic domain alignment would allow higher lattice compression from phonon waves.

          • Stephen

            But not so hot that Hydrogen sorbtion can no longer occur I guess.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Above Curie point is about a permanent magnet losing its magnetism.

            As pure Ni is not capable of being a permanent magnet, operating above or below its Curie point has no effect on the ability of its atoms to align to an external H field and generate a stronger B field.

  • Axil Axil

    I like this demo: softening of an iron bar

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-YwbgXpnkA

    • Frost*

      Looks more like a piece of painted foam or plastic than an iron bar. Be more critical.

      • Axil Axil

        How melts the plastic without burning the table surface under the object?

        • Frost*

          There is no paper under the sample when it melts. It’s on a wooden table.

          • Axil Axil

            Why doesn’t the melted plastic stick to the table?

          • Frost*

            How do you know it didn’t? There is no continuity between shots – one moment the sample is on the table then it’s on a piece of paper.

          • Axil Axil

            Bob might request this iron block to verify that it is iron.

          • Frost*

            Agreed. That would be very helpful indeed .

          • Bob Greenyer

            I wanted this sample very much since the volume of the centre of the bar changed very significantly and it pinched, bent and twisted. I wanted to section it and test.

            It was sold for something like $800 about 4 years ago. I may pursue the owner through John for at least a basic weight / volume assessment which will discount most things.

            I have already walked people through why the deformations occur. After ‘O Day’ the reset of the effects will not seem odd.

          • Axil Axil

            That sale is a strong validating sign. Who would buy a bent up piece of burnt plastic for $800?

          • Bob Greenyer

            More importantly, it was not returned.

          • Frost*

            From embarrassment probably. It would have been nice if proper records had been kept such as weight etc. Do you know who bought it? or are you taking H’s word for it?

          • Bob Greenyer

            I know that he has gone overboard do deliver more to us than asked for knowing we would deep analyse it – he never flinched and the samples and data speak truths no amount of nay sayers could change.

          • Frost*

            Great, i hope the next round of testing is successful and the samples are helping to focus the replications. I just don’t want you to get tunnel vision at this stage. Don’t allow yourself to be hoodwinked.

          • Bob Greenyer

            He didn’t ever tell us what to expect on the samples – he was interested in what we would find!

            I did not know what to expect. Only AFTER my realisation based on ECCO, NOVA and a wide range of other researchers culminating with the LION 1 strange radiation track / ‘two spots’ x-ray did I have a realisation that would predict certain things – and low and behold, when I had the time to look at the Hutchison samples – it had the predicted signatures all over it!

            John is very surprised with our findings to date and the correlations between different experiments and his work – but recognises the mixing/disruption in the LIONs straight off.

          • Frost*

            More money than sense?

      • Omega Z

        Metal Foam produced from what we consider to be a solid metal bar. Instead of using extreme heat, John H. accomplished this with frequencies that changes it at the molecular level without producing all the heat. Before you can even begin to comprehend this, you must 1st disregard everything you thought you knew about metal or solids in general.

        That solid steel bar that fell on your foot and broke your big toe is actually a liquid. The solid glass window pane you look out of is liquid. it never stops flowing. If you stood a pane of glass up right and left it there long enough, it will actually flow downwards becoming thicker at the bottom over a very long period of time.

        If we could master this Hutchison effect, we could do amazing things. It’s also a terrifying technology that humanity is not ready to have. Imagine I have what looks likes a satellite dish remote. I press in some frequency code. I direct it at you and press the power button.
        https://youtu.be/n2ZpsbGr7s8?t=6

        • Axil Axil

          The HE effect might not apply to living matter because that matter is left handed chiral polarized. The HE effect might well be created by producing chiral politicization. This condition requires the isolation of a conductive material that is to be chiral polarized.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Purely biological systems cannot easily be made to nucleate and support the growth of the active component. Sure if you stood by a very large active component you might get caught in the mix – however, it really does not like passing across impedance changes and so flesh might be more likely to be pushed.

            This technology is perfect for ending the rise of the ‘machines’

  • Axil Axil

    https://youtu.be/vO-1l0lXR_U?t=127

    I like this demo showing the production of an electrical current from processed material.

    The chiral magnetic effect will produce a current as charge separation occurs.

    Are any of the LION reactors still producing current?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Need to do a test with a volt meter, but due to it being -8 here and the kids being ill, I may be house bound until late evening.

  • georgehants

    East to forget how on ECW this scientific subject can be discussed without the thousands of half-wits continually on page debunking and abusing.
    If this where a comical scientific site, we all know the complete childish shambles it would be.
    It is irrelevant what the final outcome is, all subjects must be treated with respect by science.
    Thanks to Frank for creating such a Wonderful competent environment where Bob can relax and put his case in peace.
    It would be good to hear from Brian Josephson again with his thoughts.

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob,

    I’m not sure if the Rosensweig Instability has come up in discussions here yet?

    They are normally associated with Ferromagnetic liquids.

    I wonder if it has something to do with the process here too.

    Some of the patterns look strangely familiar
    If these are due to the same cause then it’s an interesting signature of a fluid like state at least on the surface of some of these samples.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8H0DG0lmiW8&sns=em

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?sns=em&v=intUgQNOgUw

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YlrszoiGzJ4&sns=em

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440394/#!po=59.3023

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrofluid

    • Bob Greenyer

      Interesting.

      • Stephen

        I wonder if something like this can work in resonance, with underlying stimulation.

        If so it might give a way to quantify and measure that process some how

      • Stephen

        I maybe getting a bit side tracked but…

        I wonder if this phenomenon could play an interesting role with the radiation.

        For example could the the lens like objects it creates focus UV? Below the electron plasma frequency the “metal” is effectively opaque but above the this frequency It is effectively transparent to that radiation and subject to optical lensing effects.

        This would suit UV quite well and would maybe result coupling between the UV radiation and the electron plasma at these focused points.

        Could the same be applicable for X-rays? XRays are normally quite difficult to focus due to their very high energy and difficulty for materials to interact with them. But such devices do exist. Typically they use parabolic surfaces to reflect at low angles of incidence the X-ray photons.

        https://mobile.nytimes.com/1996/11/19/science/physicists-invent-lens-for-focusing-x-rays.html

        The above I think is with aluminum which is quite commonly used I think.

        Here is a another one using diamonds in which these structures are etched:

        https://arxiv.org/pdf/1506.04016.pdf

        I’m not suggesting the diamonds in LION have this but the paper explains quite well the method for focusing X-Rays

        Interestingly the peaks produced by the Rosenweig instability seem to have a parbolic shape to me. Could such peaks refract low incidence X-rays in some way I wonder or can there be a similar Rosenweig instability effect between materials where holes are made in the material in stead of peaks I.e the field going into the material?

        If so could focusing X-rays put certain very focused locations in the material under intense X-rays perhaps maintaining removal of excitation inner electrons in atoms in that location or something.

        If so perhaps that would open the door for something else to get into or interact with those inner orbitals.

        If local fluidisation of the metal and intense magnetic fields are generated in those locations generating these Rosenweig instabilities and the flux tube is generating X-rays through synchrotron radiation could these processes become self supportive?

        Interestingly those structures used for focusing x-rays look quite similar to me to the Guitar pick shaped triangles we see in some images too.

  • georgehants

    Bruce, I did not call anybody here a “half-wit” but used it as a general correct use of the adjective.
    Perhaps you could describe such people in a better way for us?

  • georgehants

    EurekAlert
    Public Release: 26-Feb-2018
    Largest molecular spin found close to a quantum phase transition
    Nine scientists at Bielefeld University, the KIT, the University of
    Magdeburg, and the University di Modena e Reggio Emilia (Italy) were
    involved in the studies.
    Every single electron possesses a quantum mechanical intrinsic
    angular momentum, also called spin. The new magnetic molecule modelled
    at Bielefeld University and synthesized at the KIT reveals a spin in its
    ground state that is as large as that of 120 electrons combined. This
    makes it the largest spin ever to be observed in a single molecule.
    Magnetic molecules are molecules containing magnetic ions such as iron
    or gadolinium. The name of the magnetic molecule synthesized and studied
    by the research team is abbreviated to “Fe10Gd10”. It has the geometric
    structure of a torus similar to a life-saving ring.
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-02/bu-lms022618.php

    • Bob Greenyer

      Reeeeeaaaly…

      • Frost*

        “In the case of the new molecule, this is joined by an unexpected property that also permits completely different applications,” says Jürgen Schnack. Scientists in the interdisciplinary research project namely also found a so called quantum phase transition that strongly influences the property of the molecule. In quantum phase transitions, substances change their behaviour fundamentally at so called quantum critical points. An example of a “classical” phase transition is that of water when it begins to boil as it passes a certain temperature. Quantum phase transitions occur at a temperature of absolute zero. In the newly synthesized Fe10Gd10 molecule, ten thousand states are degenerate at the critical point. That means they have the same energy. On this absolutely flat energy surface, one can switch between the individual states without using any energy. In such a situation, the thermodynamic quantity called entropy adopts giant values. “It’s as if you were standing on top of a high pointed mountain,” explains Annie Powell. “A small change to the external parameters, for example, to the pressure, suffices for it to immediately drop steeply.” Therefore, future research will examine how external pressure can be used to lead the molecule Fe10Gd10 beyond the quantum critical point.

        The analogy of a sharp mountain top is similar the diamond peaks from LION.

    • Bruce Williams

      Please tell me what this comment has to do with the work that Andrea Rossi is performing.

      • Bob Greenyer

        That will become clear – it is closer than you think.

        Rossi seams to think he has a unique effect, well, he may, but it appears to have been a different unique effect on a bi-annual basis, and I suspect that it may just turn out it is a ubiquitous effect which is related to both of the content posts above – does Rossi know this? perhaps, and if he doesn’t he may soon realise it – or… not.

    • Jouni Tuomela
      • georgehants

        Thanks Jouni.

      • Axil Axil

        The vortex and soliton are related but the difference between them is what makes the critical difference. What is producing the LENR reaction is the flux tube that the solition is generating. Vortexes do not produce flux tubes.

        A special type of soliton produces a flux tube and that type of solition is called a falaco soliton. Bob identified this type of soliton because he found “double dot” evidence that a flux tube was producing the matter disruption that he was seeing in LENR experiments.

        https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/gfx/news/hires/2013/creationofen.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bruce, we have 21 samples here and around 7 in US.

    Many of them show the exact same features that Hutchison was unaware of and that are also in the LION reactors – how exactly could John have done something in 1986 etc. that would have specific features that match very different experiments today.

    I don’t have to trust him about anything – I just go and look at the samples 3m from me – they are there and they are not purely the result of accepted chemical or physical processes.

    • HAL9000

      You have samples of an effect that Hutchison created. Rather then be satisfied with static samples, I would think you (or your team) would demand to replicate a few Hutchison Effect samples for yourself, giving you much deeper insight into the effect. Why settle for being a witness when you could be a participant in this incredibly important find? What would hold you back?

      • artefact

        AFAIK MFMP is planing a replication later this year.

      • Bob Greenyer

        His equipment was sold to a German group in 2008

        Having found a person capable in 2016, they have now restored most of the units.

        They have another experiment running in that lab until after March. I will be involved in LION replications in March.

        With suitable funding, I will assist in replication attempts.

        Since it is abundantly clear that LION is nucleating the same active structures, it may be simpler to start with a mini-LION and feed it with the RF. This could lead to far more replicatable HE.

  • georgehants

    So you agree with blind abuse and debunking when they if fact do not KNOW if there are genuine UFO’s, Cold Fusion or Bob’s “realisation”
    These people no matter how much “scientific experience” or qualifications (joke) they have, do not KNOW.
    Thanks for chat.

    • Bruce__H

      Is there any physical phenomenon that you do not believe is true? If so, why not?

      • georgehants

        Bruce, it is very difficult to discuss sensibly with you, as with many, as you do not read the comments and replies I make correctly.
        I do not “believe”, I follow scientific logic and have an open-mind on all subjects.

  • Axil Axil

    Thanks for the feedback. Chirality deals with the nature of the spin of the electron, proton, and neutron, in general, all particles inclusion quarks. Normally when chirality of particles are not polarized, there is an equal mix of left and right handed particles and the coulomb force is nominal. But when the chirality of particles are polarized, this condition overwhelms the coulomb force and electrons and protons no longer attract each other, and unlike changed particles separate. Electrons no longer maintain their tight bonds to the nucleus and move away from the nucleus producing a current of electrons. Ions are formed and the metal becomes more like a liquid that will flow.

  • Musical Hemispheres

    With the abundance of interesting clues and images from Bob, I thought it would be useful to collect much of them.
    Maybe this can help us get further.
    Please add aspects I’ve missed, and give your thoughts

    What do we have:

    -Descriptive clues:
    =Seed
    =Diamond pads are the ovaries
    =Fractal
    =Implosion not explosion technology
    =Chicago pile, Manhattan project, atomic structure
    =liquification below melting temperature
    =some changes remain in the material (e.g. much softer aluminium)
    =transmutation at anomalous temperature
    =excess heat
    =reference to Copenhagen presentation (monoatomic elements?)
    =reference to Mumbai presentation

    -Quotes:
    =Hutchison effect (HE) is LENR, LENR is Hutchison effect
    =Tom Bearden is close to understanding aspects of HE in his testimony here at 41m35s. ( https://youtu.be/bB–m9Ap2AM?t=2495 see below: *)
    =I think that in our Hutchison replications – we will have a ‘mini-lion’, place some large aluminium blocks around it and feed it with the interfering RF, the aluminium blocks will absorb the nucleated active structures and we can resonantly build them up
    =Good indicators are the various ring features that will have ‘spheres’ in there, normally evenly spaced – this is a tell that separates it from mere chemical effects. [‘spheres’ is in quotes on purpose]
    =I do believe it is a surface impedance change related effect.
    =It involves things that act as electrons
    =The active components are nucleated in the Deuterated Industrial Diamond/Nickel disks.
    They GROW in a suitable conductor in various ways. Over a certain size they can attack ceramics – and they really love Silicon Oxides in all its forms.
    They will liquify the conductor based on its melting point (medium for Cu) and conductivity (High for Cu) – this allows them to contact a ceramic, effectively removing an impedance change. When in the ceramic they will migrate through it.
    The area around the most active zone is nearly a full loop of affected material.
    =I explained elsewhere that the active structure can mask off areas even to the sub atomic level. I also explained that it prefers not to travel across impedance changes, preferring to stay in a zone – so if a fracture occurs, then it will find it difficult to bridge the gap – it is due to the nature of how it is working.
    =The process masks itself with sub-atomic accuracy
    It ‘infects’ other materials – based on their conductivity up to a point, when it gets to a certain scale, it’ll deal with most things.
    If there is a cut line because of the masking attribute, it prefers not to go across the impedance discontinuity.
    Nearly every square millimetre of the quartz near LION 1 core has small active players starting to work on it.
    As I said last year – you need new kinds of approaches to contain this.
    Flowing water against metal as in ECCO is one.
    =The flower [6-lobed structure] defines the platonic solids.
    =All platonic solids (except for the tetrahedron which is the basis of the MFMPs logo and naturally the smallest stable 3D volume) have a silhouette in some orientation that is essentially a hexagon. Fields align structure.
    Just for the beauty of it…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/
    This is no coincidence.
    =The LENR active components can literally be of any size up or down.
    Hutchison’s materials can be effected in the centre, most often the centre of the centre due to resonant based building of the active structure . Often though it occurs at discontinuities, including the surface – basically anywhere there is an impedance change.
    The active structures conduct, that is why he never saw much of an effect unless he had the samples on an insulator. The air was normally dry, which is important for the build up of static as Tesla and Henry Moray established.
    Once the active structures are at a suitable scale they can influence all types of matter caught in their fields and things can also be carried with things that are more affected. Due to lack of conductivity, biological materials are less affected however, there is a famous video of the effect cutting a carrot clean in two.

    -Visual clues:
    =pairs of dots in the dental X-ray films
    =a “jewel” in the dental X-ray films
    =Very similar shapes in many samples of LION reactor and Hutchison
    #jewel,
    #triangles with curves sides,
    #matching circles with or without a center marking,
    #Fibonacci spirals,
    #swirls,
    #hexagons,
    #6-lobed flowers
    =Shape – color relationship
    #most triangles are dark/black except when a triangle was cut out and deposited somewhere else
    #white/silvery circles, ovals, arcs, spirals
    =Material being cut out and moved to another place
    =There is suggestion of correspondence between shapes and specific transmutations

    -Seemingly outside references:
    =Vortex, Toroid
    =Gravity
    =Lyrics of “Windmills of your mind”
    =Chi
    =Flower of life
    =Yin Yang (“The Yin Yang symbol is only part of a graphic that tells a clear cycle story. What is the cycle?”)
    =Balls under lion’s claws in Forbidden City
    =Consciousness
    =georgehants:”Do you feel that the the materials creating the designs etc, have an awareness of their own or are being directed from an exterior force?”
    -“They have will, intent. Everything is connected.”
    =The mind state of humanity is important, but this technology has its own will and determination and acts everywhere all the time, and if you feed it and give it the right things, it will move in the way it wants to. It can be influenced by intent – it is a conscious technology.
    That is why last year I asked the question “how much do we want this”

    * “Bearden is close” (Col Thomas E Bearden):
    electro-magnetic forces fighting themselves
    …a gravitational potential is made when electro-magnetic forces fight themselves to a draw, when in other words the gradient (?) becomes zero
    the gradient factors are the resultants become zero
    The Whitaker paper tells very well how to do it

    When [Hutchison] got things just right to get these forces to fight to a draw and there was the right [?…] levitation of things of even 64 pounds
    another thing he would do is to force the magneto static … to change
    cause monopoles inside the metals
    monopoles repel each other
    explosives
    as things come from the nucleus out, it does not come from the electron shells, its medium is the nuclei,
    what you have is you have changes in the atomic nuclei, that result in lattice changes construct alloys that can not be made in this world with normal processes

  • Bob Greenyer

    Analysis of inside white crust of LION 2 Jewel appears to show Tungsten, an element not present in reactor components or LION fuel.

    If so, this could support data by both Adamenko and LeClaire that Tungsten is formed more abundantly than several other elements by the ‘LENR’ process.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67fbacb97cf44a2842520c65f7ab859717929fd964d4a0867bf696e228058a23.png

    • Andreas Moraitis

      As already suggested by the upper diagram, the peaks for Si (Ka = 1.739 keV) and W (M = 1.774) are very close together. See also the list of “problematic regions” on p. 4 of this paper:

      http://www.geology.wisc.edu/~johnf/g777/Scanning/Newbury_2009.pdf

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – this is why I left it as an ‘appears’.

        The SEM operator was aware of this and she said to herself ‘is it really W?’ as she zoomed in to the chart – and then she said, yes it is Wolfram.

        I am unconvinced, however, given that both Adamenko and LeClaire saw production and W Si compound is white, I did not want to immediately dismiss it. Even still I layered on the provisos saying “IF” and “IT COULD SUPPORT”

        There is another area on the Nub end that looks similar and again appears to be next to a rose coloured quartz area – so when I get another slot on the SEM, it would be good to see if it has the same signature. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/74e4a440386311099fbd701ba61eccae6bf06ce03c1193eef5c4bb2f6569d972.png

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Suggest you post the surface population image so we can see where the EDS thinks it found W.

          Do note the other sample area was just Si & O (quartz).

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes. That was a feature – a fragment on the surface and I took it as a comparator when the SEM operator had confirmed that she thought that it was W in the large sample area.

            This sample was mostly non-conductive (being largely Quartz) and that makes it difficult under SEM without coating – but I was reluctant to coat it as it would destroy the nature of the sample.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Bob,

    Plese ensure your O Day fully explains these experimental data:

    Why is a very high D/Pd loading ratio per lattlice volume necessary to initiate an excess heat generation event?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39fabeade0cf5f7470a67b9cac75d021e51af8c02a71cf4652dbbf181feec7e5.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/88bf7bab510afd3c6dbbc2795d3512803ff47bc45344d3b0d6a3255db129b880.png

    Why have these D+D reaction been observed to occur in a very hghly loaded lattice and the other reactions llisted not observed to occur?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a0fccc26b5617052bcbae69a0e15eb0c85cb4e08a1de9a9f8589e7eaa6eba12.png

    • Axil Axil

      High loading produces metallic hydrogen with a high atom count.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        You need to clearly state when you make a claim that it is your as of yet unproven theory.

        I’m not aware of any experimental data that supports high H lattice loading producing metallic hydrogen or that high D lattice loading produces ultra dense deuterium.

        You might be interested in this very interesting D+D fusion paper:

        From Alain Coetmeur
        http://sco.lt/6YIPoX

        This new paper is very interesting:

        http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/946/1/012025

        Here they use a highly deuterated Pd Anode, which is impacted with electrons from the Al Cathode.

        This knocks Deuterons out of the Pd Anode and as they have a positive charge, they accelerate toward the negative Al Cathode.

        Then the 1st D stops as it impacts the Al, after which the following D slam into it with enough KE from the acceleration between Anode to Cathode to breach the Coulomb barrier and initiate D+D fusion on the surface of the Al cathode.

        As the fusion does not occur inside a lattice due to phonon pressure waves, the resultant by products are as expected from a normal D+D fusion event. So lots of radiation.

        Point of the paper is here is a new way to trigger D+D, which while not missing the bad radiation, still shows that D+D fusion can occur in a non stellar environment and do it without metallic H or UHD.

        • Axil Axil

          From the paper:

          “The anomalies in electronic transport and the magnetic properties of deformed hydrogenated Pd foils were explained in terms of local (filamentary)
          superconductivity [17] associated with condensation of trapped hydrogen (deuterium) into the metallic phase ( 1024 cm3) [18] in the dislocation nucleuses. Moreover, some experiments [19] also indicate the possibility of the existence of ultra-dense deuterium ( 8 × 10^28 cm3). The possibility of DD synthesis with weak laser action on ultra-dense deuterium formed in pores with Fe2O3 was investigated in [20], and the time-of-flight measurements have revealed the
          characteristic products of DD synthesis. In such a way, the observations listed above provide
          grounds to assume that the power impact of internal electron beams at the very beginning on…”

          I suggest that you read the papers that you quote

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Their statement is nothing more than conjecture.

            No proof.

            What is interesting is their experimental data proving they achieved D+D fusion in a very clever setup.

            However as it occured on the surface of the Al cathode, the radiation expected from stellar D+D fusion was observed.

            Which makes the point that when D+D fusion occurs deep inside the lattice, the expected stellar radiation products are contained within the lattice.

  • Bob Greenyer

    First post?

    Please introduce yourself and give some of your background otherwise this can be seen as a FUD pre-emptive kickoff.

  • psi2u2

    We should be open to alternative hypotheses that have substance to support them. Also being skeptical is not the same thing as being insulted.

  • Thomas Baccei

    Interesting parallels here to some of the things seen in the Hutchison effect.

    New materials science with helium ions:

    “This new ion-assisted manipulation of matter on the tiniest of length scales completely changed the behaviour of the aluminium oxide: when we applied moderate exposure to helium ions, its pores shrank, when we increased exposure to the ions this normally brittle and porous ceramic turned into a superplastic and gained the ability to stretch more than twice without breaking.”

    Dr Wolff, from QUT’s Central Analytical Research Facility in the Institute for Future Environments, said the discovery would allow scientists to play with materials and see the materials’ properties change in real time.

    “We can now play with atomic bonds and see how we can use them to influence the manipulation of matter on the nanometric scale,” Dr Wolff said.

    Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-02-helium-ions-world-materials.html#jCp

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is VERY INTERESTING for two reasons.

      1. It does seam to have parallels with HE
      2. QUT were considering doing a Celani replication a few years back.

  • georgehants

    Afternoon Simon, I am afraid your comment is far to wide ranging to give an answer, please bring it down to a single question with substance, thank you.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bruce – please point out how you came to this understanding that you wrote in the funny speculation thread on LF

    “I think he believes that he is in communication with either the entities themselves or an intelligence that fashioned them.”

    I have not suggested this in any shape or form.

    • Bruce__H

      I meant some sort of unity that folds both the you and these energy beings in a single consciousness. I was influenced by what you said about the role of consciousness in this phenomenon. Perhaps if I had said “union” instead of “communication” that would have closer to what I have gathered from you.

      I can objectively rationalize data-sets as well as the next person. But in my view you left sort activity behind a while ago. It is what I have been complaining about. And you can hardly blame me for guessing about your ideas when you dribble clues out as you have been doing recently. You have been pleading for people to guess. So I guessed.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We influence electrons in our brains though intent, will.

        Electric current flowing though a conductor produces a magnetic field etc..

        That can influence other matter.

        If something is more susceptible to an influence, then it can be acted on more by that influence.

        • HAL9000

          Proof:
          Line 1: entanglement.
          Line 4: liquor and dating.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi Bruce – you are quite a way off in your assumptions about what is being inferred, perhaps it would be better for you to judge after O Day.

    • Bruce__H

      As an addendum to my last reply on this topic…

      I think the best way to state what I think is that you have a theory of mind about these energy beings. That means that you attribute to them rudimentary mental states and so can figure out their needs. It doesn’t mean that I think you converse with them. A good example would be animals. We attribute mental states to them which we use to predict what motivates them and what they need. I even talk to my cat although I don’t expect he understands much and don’t expect he will talk back. In contrast I don’t have a theory of mind about my car (although I sometimes shout at it).

      I will enlarge my statement on LF to better reflect my view. Please let me know if you contest it

      • Bob Greenyer

        I never said that either – you are putting your words into my mouth.

        I did say, “will” and “Intent” and I stand by that.

        If one considered that we might use electrons in some way to store our memories in our minds, then it logically follows that the human mind has control over electrons – that is, unless you believe our experiences are recorded by accident and we accidentally recall them when needed.

  • georgehants

    Bruce, again you seem unable to grasp a simple concept, I follow all Evidence open-mindedly and continue to do that even if something seems certain to the average materialistic scientist.
    I am still open-minded, even though the Evidence to now shows otherwise, that you will eventual grasp pure scientific logic.

  • Bob Greenyer

    This is the best image that can be got of this part of the Hutchison Cross until a macro lens is acquired. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6e1128955a2631bba04cc03694c33ce946ba84d727698f664b3106bc0dc15a18.jpg

    • artefact

      Impossible to even start marking all the features 🙂

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – they are there everywhere.

        This sample has ‘spheres’ big enough that they could be extracted for individual analysis / characterisation.

        • artefact

          I think one important aspect is, that they are all over and not dependant of a very specific material. Aluminium, carbon, quarz (LION), …

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – the majority are in what was once largely wood.

            The sample could be sectioned 50 times and tell many stories.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – it is very penetrative

    • artefact

      LION x-ray over one of the main features (bottom – middle)

      Same complex pattern, different materials. What kind of chemical can do that?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05143bd67d5d31b457bf888d9ec814b603ae88e358a1aec365cec1c6e7de620a.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        I think it is beyond doubt now that this is a natural structure for the active components to assemble into.

        • artefact

          It is so amazing. You look at the xray and see where the swirl “travels” and then you also see it in the Hutchison sample and you did not notice it before.
          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b85acea94bb7b9f28bdc8cbc1ecd129dd08469b323676f5dd897212f683f587.jpg

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes. That x-ray is just wonderful data.

            I am hoping to get the x-ray in the next few days from the LION author and I wish to scan it at 9600dpi 16bit per channel – this should give us MUCH better flow and vector information.

          • artefact

            I wonder what that structure with all the details would look like in 3D. I can imagine the basic fractal structure but the whole 3D structue must look beautiful as a fractal.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – very.

            I think it would be the same shape as the nasal opening, the nasal lobe, the two halves of the lips, the eye, the ear lobe, the cheek bone, the two lungs, the two ventricles of the heart etc. With a little fractal seeding.

          • artefact

            Or Romanesco Brassica oleracea 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

      • Stephen

        Interesting is there an almost identical shaped objectin the triangles protrusion just above this feature in Bob’s original image?

        I wonder if this alignment with that triangular protusion is systematic and telling something?

        They Almost look like triangular oven glove prints.

        • artefact

          There could be 3 to 6 more above in the same column. They should have very similar subfeatures like mine if they’d be better visible.

          • Stephen

            Yes once you see the basic features you start to see more of them… interesting.

            You have good eyes for this artefact.

          • artefact

            I have one of the beautiful Lion images as background image on my computer. Yesterday I looked at it and found it to be full of flowers in the copper oxide. I did. Not see it before in that image. It needs some training.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Good news – I have a NURAGO 400X microscope adaptor coming for my S7, if it performs as hoped, we should be able to get VERY close up shots and videos of some of the ‘spheres’ and other structures on the Hutchison and LION samples.

            Moerover, if it does perform well – this will be a very affordable add on to experimentalists smart phones that will allow them to verify if they have re-created the effect without having to spend $1000s on expensive SLRs and Macro lenses.

            https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/nurugo/nurugo-micro-discovery-begins-with-nurugo-micro

            https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01LXCC32T/ref=pe_3187911_189395841_TE_dp_1

          • David_Kaiser_39

            You guys keep me awake in the night… Not sure if this a good or a bad thing 😉

            All the best from Ajman, UAE

          • Musical Hemispheres

            O I know. Often going to sleep way too late…

          • Stephen

            Your discussion of the 3D structure had me thinking but I wonder if those shapes are marking the path of a growing toroid or flower pattern starting very small near the thumbs but gradually Increasing in size as they circulate round to the hand of the structure?

            The top red circled structure here seems to have a lot of structure in it despite the cut…

            Some of that structure looks a bit flower like to me or in rings but it might be just my eyes.

            It will be really interesting to see the detailed structure and how it Makes the details you mention too.

          • Stephen
          • artefact

            Ther is/was another one between your circles. Left of the yellow one.

          • Stephen

            Yes fascinating. A reflection of the red one just as the yellow is a reflection of the blue.

            It is also deep where as the yellow is high and the other two Inbetween

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Some other ‚circles’:

            http://file.scirp.org/Html/4-2710172x/27dd2966-f9bc-4a61-b497-60556bd80add.jpg

            http://file.scirp.org/Html/4-2710172x/0fbf2ad1-c10b-4648-83cb-e733ade4f0df.jpg

            From http://file.scirp.org/Html/4-2710172_41881.htm

            Zakulla, M et al. “Effect of Electroless Copper Coating on the Corrosion Behavior of Aluminium Based Metal Matrix Composites Reinforced with Silicon Carbide Particles”

          • Stephen

            It’s not so much the circles but the hand mitten shape I find curious.

            It does remind me of turbulence in fluids. But the surrounding structure is clearly solid.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not really the same thing is it.

            There is no ‘spheres’ around a central sphere, or equidistantly around the perimeter of the share.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I think when we can see this at Macro scales – thise things will be clear. This is a very special sample.

  • Axil Axil

    https://www.nature.com/news/force-of-nature-gave-life-its-asymmetry-1.15995

    The question is why life is chiral asymmetry ?

    The referenced article speculates why life is chiral asymmetric. It might be the weak force and/or the distruction of molecules by chiral particles.

  • Bob Greenyer

    There are people that study how humans can influence the spin of electrons.

    Dr. Thorsten Ludwig is one.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It will become clear.

  • Axil Axil

    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0957-4484/26/23/234002

    SPECIAL
    Experimental observation of anomalous thermal radiation from a three-dimensional metallic photonic crystal

    Abstract
    We report some striking results on thermal radiation properties of a resonantly coupled cavity photonic crystal (PhC) at elevated temperatures (T = 400–900 K). We experimentally found that at resonant wavelengths, λ = 1.1, 1.64, 2.85 μm, the PhC emission is spectrally selective, quasi-coherent, directional, and shows significant deviation from Planck’s blackbody law at equilibrium. The presence of non-equilibrium effects, driven by strong thermal excitation and cavity resonance, may be the major cause for our experimental observation.

    Soner or later, science would stumble over some sort of LENR reaction.

    thermal radiation coming off this photonic crystal (PhC) is up to 50 times stronger than blackbody radiation at certain freqencies. That radiation is coherent and focused.

    This finding has the researchers puzzled.

    I speculated that the coupled cavities in this crystal form a polariton Bose condensate that emits hawking radiation at specific thermal frequencies. There also may be some overunity here: more energy out than in…

    • Bob Greenyer

      Very good axil… keep digging.

  • artefact

    I know 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes – aligns its structure to the impedance change morphology as best as it can.

    Think. Why does it disrupt more at a surface? Think. George Ohsawa.

    Fermi a good guess, but not wishing to lead to that aspect.

  • georgehants

    Bruce as a neuroscientist where do you consider consciousness is housed?

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, would your realisation in any way explain the massive blocks of mica discovered in the Mexican pyramids?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Mica is very many impedance changes in layers.

      It has layers of tetrahedrons.

      It is used in capacitors.

      It’s use would make sense in relation to this technology.

      • georgehants

        Bob, you may understand that you are bringing together everything I have studied and had a deep passion for all my life.
        My own personal belief (non-scientific) has been that there is so much more waiting to be found, way beyond the boring materialistic reality followed by so many.
        You can imagine how much I want your “realisation” to be confirmed.
        Best

        • Bob Greenyer

          I had the fortune to visit Tulum and other sites in Mexico and Tikal in the Mayan biosphere in Guatamala – I even had the experience of being chased out of a pyramid by a flock of bats!

          I will present where I am at and people will draw the conclusions they do. I do not think you will be disappointed.

        • Bruce__H

          “My own personal belief (non-scientific) has been that there is so much more waiting to be found, way beyond the boring materialistic reality followed by so many.”

          Materialistic reality is not boring, it is absolutely fascinating and wonderful. And here is a plus … it is reality!

          In contrast, you are looking for magical explanations of how the world works. You are not driven by an urge to find out what is real and what isn’t, instead you are looking for wonder regardless of whether it is real or not. That is not a productive search.

          Science is a 2-step process. You come up with ideas and then you test them. It doesn’t really matter where your ideas come from, as long as they are testable. But the deal is that you have to be willing to give up on your ideas and admit they are wrong if that is where your experiments lead. It is not unscientific to give up on your ideas … it is the very essence of science. The big flaw I see in your reasoning, and in LENR as a field so far, is in ignoring contrary evidence. You even seem to think that researchers who drop a theory, based on a lack of evidence, are closed-minded and unscientific. That is backwards.

          • David_Kaiser_39

            That’s harsh….

          • georgehants

            Bruce, you are making false assumptions about how and what I think that are not in any way based on my comments etc.
            I clearly separated my “belief” from any scientific thinking,The “flaw you see in my “reasoning” is incorrect and again an assumption.
            Such un-factual and erroneous comments are valueless.
            I will not be replying to any further troll like reply’s from you.

  • artefact

    For David_Kaiser_39 to make him sleep good tonight 🙂

    LION x-ray – over – “Summary slide” from the topic
    Note: The last picture is without transparency!

    The accuracy is mindblowing.
    The length of the spirals is predicted by the x-ray.
    The blob top/left is predicted and most of the color blobs find its partner
    in the picture (They are often part of a flower)

    Something structures matter after a construction plan in detail.
    It is if the x-ray was from this very same object but it is not.

    I need a drink. Cheers George.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7ec9cbff3c59f535804f22858d6800d270f7fd2246651668fef57e9720e9b621.gif

    • Jouni Tuomela

      Not 2D pictures.

      • artefact

        The spirals seem to have grown along a 3D field.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Well done.

    • David_Kaiser_39

      Still not sleeping – but thanks. It’s amazing!

    • Axil Axil

      Seeing patterns in things exist in us because it gave those of our ancestors who had this tracking ability an increased chance of staying alive. The San Bushman of the Kalahari Desert, Southern Africa see patterns in a broken twig, a drying ball of dung, or a bent blade of grass that signs of the passage of a prey animal that had passed though their ancestral grasslands recently. Tracking these fleeting signs eventually lead our ancestors to the prey animal over many miles of pursuit and whose nourishment kept them alive

      http://www.tribalartbrokers.net/mybeadyeye/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/san1-300×212.jpg

      • artefact

        Yes. But also they do n to n or n to 1 pattern finding. This is 1 to 1 pattern matching.
        The only thing I did was rotating the x-ray and change the size without stretching it.

        • Bob Greenyer

          And that is all I did in many cases. The x-ray, which I hope to get today and find a way to better scan it, is, it would appear, a planar slice, where as some photo elements have been taken at angles – but when I have been able to take the photos flat-on – it just needs rotation and scale.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I am trying to get the data that was attached to the cover letter shown here

    Some other links

    1. Acceleration of decay of ore, including production of Lead and Gold.
    https://www.slideshare.net/johnkhutchison/uo2-samples-exposed-to-jh-device

    2. Observation of transmutation in Aluminium sample
    https://www.slideshare.net/johnkhutchison/jh-aluminum-sample-edx122310-20101223

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/357edda3362fc7f5fee1690fdea3bdd993994f779e1bb0b323f84bad9c2b40de.jpg

    • Robert Dorr

      The instrument they used in the “Acceleration of decay” piece is a CDV-700, probably one of the most inaccurate geiger counters there are. They were given away by Civil Defence in the U. S. during the cold war. The bright yellow ones they always use as props in movies. They could basically decern levels of radioactivity in bulk but it is nowhere near concidered a lab instrument, which they should have used to gather reliable readings.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Good to know.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Then there are those that could not see a pattern if it was in two colours and big enough to stand in.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good, you’ll be on the same wavelength.

    All seriousness, I, and my family are ill at the moment, but I did get some modelling done today.

  • Bob Greenyer

    There will be MFMP representation at ICCF-21

    I and my family are ill at the moment, but I am still working on it as I can.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      You will be presenting and talking to a paper on your “O Day Theory” at ICCF-21?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Given the face to face threats I received last year, and the briefing against me by people I trusted and respected – I will have to see the reception to ‘O Day’ before making a final decision. At worst I will make a live skype presentation / Q&A and save donations and travel time for experimentation.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          If O Day is not presented at ICCF what is the point in what you are doing?

          Science is science. It does not require faith nor belief.

          Your O Day theory must survive a test of fire, as every new theory must do. Either it delivers value to the other LENR researchers or not. Either it survives peer critique or not. That is now science is done.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ef10b383e8cfb3fa4e11b2194362891a351a2af43064d7eafd480646665393b.png

          If you do not believe it will survive peer critique at ICCF, please move on and join Alan in trying to replicate Lion.

          If Alan observes excess heat, alpha, beta, gamma, neutron emissions, etc then we have clear nuclear activity. From there Alan, MFMP & others can move forward, based on real world repeatable experimental LENR data.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yawn

  • Bob Greenyer

    There is a sub-structure that build this, then this is the pattern for our reality.

    As people start to replicate LION and this shape gets better characterised, I think that a lot of mysteries will be solved.

  • Engineer48

    Hi PhysicsForDummies,

    Nice.

    Do trust O Day will fully explain this real world experimental data from Focardi:

    Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems

    http://www.lenr-canr.org/FocardiSevidenceof.pdf

    • Axil Axil

      Holmlid replicator

      http://www.thespectrum.com/story/news/2018/01/18/southern-utah-scientist-studying-potentially-most-dense-material-our-solar-system/1044139001/

      In response, a insightful post from Russ George as follows:

      Nothing is better than field notes from observers of nature and its ecologies. The jewel in this report is a big part of the solution to cold fusion. It answers the question of how is the apparent energy of cold fusion disseminated broadly instead of being locally destructive. That this layer of UDD is able to withstand the laser, for more time than it ought to, is quite sufficient evidence of the energy distribution characteristic of UDD, and of the miracle CF clearly displays. We’ve known since Martin and Stan showed it to be, nearly 30 years ago, that UDD is formed, they called it high ‘fugacity’ but it is the same state.

      The high fugacity deuterium, HFD/HDD, is very much more flexible to the thin layer of UDD in this work as it can and surely does exist in a variety of bulk atom-ecologies. Clearly in some of those special atom ecosystems we find cold fusion becomes prevalent. By the way such HFD is stable as Martin used to say being ‘gamma phase’. In my work when sono-loaded palladium was packed with HFD that HFD remained indefinitely stable as was evidenced in x-ray diffraction studies of said material carried out by premier national lab colleagues on the samples they assisted me in hands on effort to produce on demand for them. Well not all of it was ‘stable’ as a great deal of it was observed to have transformed into 4He deep inside the bulk metal. In those helium rich ecologies the meta, palladium, indeed was melted and vapourized , but nearby the HFD/HDD remained in the less active sonofusion zones.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        So we have penertation times of:

        1) diamond coated metal: 2-3 seconds

        2) bare metal: ~30 sec

        3) D coated metal ~65 sec

        Something is not right here. Why would the diamond coated metal punch through in ~10% of the time of uncoated metal?

        Plus what is the metal, the catalysis and how is the D located in or on the metal?

        Sorry but very little in that link passes muster.

        • Axil Axil

          Energy confinement of dielectric isolation: Dielectric strength, 10,000,000, V/cm confines the photon energy on the surface of the metal and does not allow energy to reflect to the far field.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            I’m amazed you seem to believe almost anything you read.

            I believe almost nothing I read and need independant verification.

            BTW I understand photons impacting metal very well and what you wrote is rubbish as is the claimed penetration data without independent verification.

          • Axil Axil

            Backup your assertions with data.

          • Axil Axil

            3 Dielectric diamond photonics
            While plasmonic resonators focus on strong coupling between quantum emitters and resonators, frequently the most important aspect is to collect as much light as possible from a single solid-state quantum emitter. In case of diamond, this task is challenging due to the high refractive index (n = 2.4) of the host material. Total internal reflection at the sample surface prevents light from traversing the diamond/air interface, and many of the emitted photons are effectively trapped inside the diamond. Figure 5a illustrates this effect. Due to refraction, the effective numerical aperture (NA) for light collection is strongly reduced. A device that is suitable to overcome this effect is a so-called solid immersion lens (SIL), i.e., a hemispherical lens fabricated out of diamond. Due to the hemispherical shape, all light rays that emanate from the center of curvature are normal to the surface of the sphere, such that no refraction occurs (Figure 5b). With such a lens, we expect an increase of the collection efficiency by 6 to 8 times [10], depending on the numerical aperture of the collection objective. Figure 5c shows the relation between the collection efficiency and the numerical aperture. The effect is particularly pronounced with large numerical apertures (NA = 0.70–0.95), which are typically used for high efficiency light collection from solid-state quantum emitters. There are two complementary ways to fabricate a hemispherical lens out of diamond….

            https://www.beilstein-journals.org/bjnano/content/figures/2190-4286-3-100-5.png?max-width=637&background=FFFFFF

            A flat diamond surface will reflect light back to the surface, but a lens will let light release from the surface.

            Note: “Total internal reflection at the sample surface prevents light from traversing the diamond/air interface, and many of the emitted photons are effectively trapped inside the diamond.” A green house like effect

          • Bob Greenyer

            And yet you refuse to look at visual data spanning nearly 40 years in different systems such as Hutchison, NOVA, ECCO, LION, Shoulders, Adamenko that were not even trying to replicate each other – but did, producing EXACTLY the same effects with the SAME witness marks in COMPLETELY different materials.

            What is your definition of independent replication?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Based on the 1,500 man years of experimental data I have no doubt LENR as per the attached reactions is very real.

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/617ae9d401b9dc5ebe6c2d92774d6af195335ecb3076ff9aa556f6d36778090f.png

            Why have you apparently abandoned http://www.quantumheat.org?

            Should not you be posting your theory of everything there instead of on ECW and elsewhere?

            Will you be writing an “O Day” paper and present it yourself at the next ICCF so every other LENR researcher can make comment?

            If not why not?

          • Karl Venter

            Hi Engineer
            Please ask Frank to start your own thread and others can comment there if they want
            We like Bob dedication and selfless work he puts in for nothing to help the poor less informed like me
            By the way Bob has said he will write the O day presentation and I am sure by the next ICCF he will – if asked.
            So everybody can comment even before ICCF and even if you are not a LENR researcher
            Bob has always been patient with the less informed like me
            Thanks Bob and the team
            Keep it up – Bob not the Engineer

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hi Karl,

            I have several more key data points to publish on LION 2 today, if I can get to the office!

            ‘O day’ will be before ICCF 21, I want to give the community plenty of time to look at their own historical data and also to work on making good counter arguments – it would be ridiculously unfair to dump it on them at the conference given that much of their work inspired the work that led to the realisation.

          • Toussaint françois

            Well said !

    • Stephen

      Remember this?

      http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

      You need to go back through the comments a bit and bare in mind we were learning a lot back then.

      But I’m pretty sure Bob already has the EM radiation in mind.

      ECCO’ s analysis back then was fascinating

      Great paper from Focardi and Piantelli et al though. I had not seen this one before.

      Thanks a lot for that.

  • Jas

    I’m sure PhysicsForDummies was just “avin a larf” with Bob.
    A light hearted reply to a joke.

    • Bob Greenyer

      And I was joking with him.

  • georgehants

    Morning Bruce, further down the string I asked you, as a claimed neuroscientist, where do you consider consciousness is housed, you replied, “the brain” may I ask you, is that a guess, an opinion, a belief or do you KNOW that to be a Fact.

    • Toussaint françois
      • georgehants

        Thank you Toussaint, I follow The Near Death Experiences (NDE) very closely, there have been some very pathetic attempts by establishment science to explain them away, but as usual they do not have a clue and debunking is their normal response.
        Time will tell.

  • georgehants

    Morning all, we moved to Penzance for the no snow, warmer weather etc. we are now housebound with snow and minus temperatures as we live on a road with a one in two gradient, today more snow and a blizzard forecast, ha.
    I blame Global Warming.
    Sorry to hear you are all ill Bob, hope for a quick recovery.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is well below -10 here, however, it is bright and sunny.

      LION 3 reactor has arrived

      A noticeably smaller package – what could that mean?

      https://youtu.be/CoyHMAp298Y

      • georgehants

        I will wait for artefact, Stephen and the other guys who are much better than me at deciphering these things.
        Come on guys quickly, ha.

        • Stephen

          I see two circles again… interestingly blue in colour. Maybe a pair?

          Maybe a strange radiation LION track.

          And interestingly the ceramic material seems to have a quartz like coating that is green in colour that might imply some copper oxide in there.

          And if I’m not mistaken if you look carefully it might even be alive!

          Fascinating. But I suppose the real mystery is what might be underlying it all 😉

      • sam
      • Bob Greenyer

        Ok, the scale of the package is explained.

        No LION 3 reactor – but the all-important LION 3 x-rays and gold chloride glass – Hopefully will scan the x-rays at higher resolution later today. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/52a9af17b1ae471c11b74cc7abe050a8b9239da1e0a496ef28ab65476996c85a.png

        • Stephen

          Hi Bob do you have any information about the orientation and placement of these pieces in the Tea Can?

          I suppose bottom and opposite sides. Rather than adjacent sides?

          Was the film rotated in a particular orientation?

          i.e long edge af bottom or short edge and pin hole at top or bottom?

          • Alan Smith

            Here’s a picture LION sent me of the ‘tea-tin’ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/495b3509a332e0e7aeecd93d8be1e7bb3e1373b39706c2ee23690f68600df6e1.jpg , some time ago.

          • Stephen

            Thanks interesting. Especially for the first set of X-rays. I wonder if he turned the can upside down for the bottom one in the latest set.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Just the reactor core. The x-rays are not large as you can see by the bottom of the $5 bill

          • Bob Greenyer

            The bottom x-ray had the affected Gold Chloride glass on top.

            LION will be best placed to answer your other Qs.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I can get any piece of aluminium I like from standard suppliers and as HARD as I look I will not find these ‘Spheres’ surrounded by ‘Spheres’ that are often themselves surrounded by ‘Spheres’ that are NOT made of near-pure Aluminium, but often high in concentration of Fe, Ni, Cu, Zn.

    Nor will they form part of a super structure that appears on many scales in many materials, which is the shape of the LION 2 ‘Jewel’

    I know NO ONE that has vested interests relating to aspects of this technology will give it an easy time, especially those that actively REFUSE to look at the evidence, but rather continually ask for those that DO look at the evidence to defend the work of others that is sometime on the periphery of the topic and who might have based their own conclusions on conjecture that do not explain this system working in extremely low temperatures all the way up to plasmas.

    • Mylan

      Of course an off the shelf aluminum piece won’t look like this. But do you have controls of material that has been treated exactly the same way expect for one factor that you believe to be essential?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Best we can do is look at areas that are largely physically unaffected – something Bob Higgins intends to do as his samples are MUCH bigger than mine.

        • Mylan

          I don’t believe unaffected areas are appropriate controls. Because, obviously, they are unaffected. The only way is to have two equal reactors, except for the magic sauce missing in one them, whatever you believe it is, and compare then. I don’t see how there could be a way around this.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Straw man

  • Bob Greenyer

    a thinly veiled wind-up

  • Bob Greenyer

    Please point out where the central large ‘sphere’ & depression is. Where the equidistant ring of ‘spheres’ are and their associated depression and where the vector flows match the structure?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Dear Bruce_H

    On LF you AGAIN misrepresent what I say and make assertions about what I am meaning.

    “I think that Bob believes that the toroidal entities he thinks are responsible for the LENR phenomena in LION are evoked by the mind through some sot of psychokinesis.”

    I never said this, please stop miss-representing what I say – your intent is clear and reveals a lot about your motives.

    I now have real difficulty in seeing value in your commentary since you seem incapable of being able to see facts and report them at the same time as being able to invent what someone else is meaning to twist narratives.

    • georgehants

      So agree!

  • georgehants

    Bruce, if it is just a belief that is scientifically fine as long as you always clarify that you do not know, I thought you may have been saying that you or science Knows.
    Yes I do know about blindsight, a very interesting phenomenon, like so may others not understood by science, such as the amazing abilities of Wonderful genius savants.

    • Bruce__H

      Unless they are talking about singular observations (e.g., ‘that book just fell off that shelf’), all scientists are always working with theories and beliefs all the time. And they know it. But some some theories and beliefs have more empirical support than others. And some have been disproven because the predictions they made turned out not to be correct So there is an asymmetry in scientific explanations. You can definitively say that some theories and beliefs are false because they have been disproven, but you can never say that theories and beliefs are definitively true … just that they have a lot of empirical support. To say that theories with a lot of support are “true” is just shorthand.

      Working scientists know all this. I learned it as an undergraduate, it was drummed into me as a graduate student, I drum it into my students. Scientists are smart people. They are not the unimaginative drudges you claim they are.

      Blindsight is understood by science. There are 2 visual pathways in the brain. one goes directly from the eyes to the visual cortex and produces sensations that we experience consciously. Another travels by an indirect route (through the lateral geniculate formation of the thalamus) to a different part of the cortex and is not experienced consciously. People with blindsight have damage to the visual cortex but not to the other rout.

      • georgehants

        Your explanation of blindsight is the current scientific explanation with some evidence that does not exclude other explanations.
        Time for science to change it’s “short hand” making out they know everything and start saying we do not know.

  • Bob Greenyer

    ECCO – Do ‘Spheres’ have a relationship to Strange Radiation?

    In this video we can clearly see that the type of spheres identified on John Hutchison and LION reactors are present, as ever in cavities, but there is something more going on.

    https://youtu.be/PLuyCtr7mmQ

    Download 32 bit per channel images here: https://goo.gl/p583y4

    • Axil Axil

      The spheres might have been produced by the ECCO fuel preparation process. In that process, the spheres might have been formed to contain the active LENR agent. Over time, that agent is released from the spheres and are able to travel independently across the surface that they land on when released.

      We saw this happen in both the SEM micro-graphs produced by ME356 and ECCO fuel. In these pictures we saw the LENR active agent released right at the foot of the hydride particle and begin to travel away from the fuel holding particle while the LENR active agent produced a metallic nanowire fractal network with increasing Z weight on the carbon substrate.

      The black balls look to be doing the same thing. They are releasing the LENR active agent and that agent is moving across the surface of the PET away from the fuel holding spheres.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The cause of the ‘spheres’, yes.

    • Da Phys

      Bob, I agree that the evidence of NAEs with lines likely produced by “strange radiations” is very compelling in this image. Nice job. Here I see a direct relation with “classical” F&P-type metal hydride experiments with support to the views of both Storms NAE and Bockris high fugacity in voids. As a quantum physicist, I interpret this as the production of Rydberg Matter in voids and cracks, a metastable phase that can be viewed as a dusty plasma, that can naturally change to an ultra-dense phase able to decay to mesons (leading to these “strange radiations”) as shown by Holmlid. Interestingly enough, mesons further decaying to muons as created through this process have a relativistic energy that is close to the minimum of the Bethe-Bloch curve, therefore they are not stopped by most materials, at the notable exception of copper in which muon-induced nuclear reactions can occur leading to transmutations and heat. Such a model would nicely solve the three miracles of Huizengas without contradicting the Standard Model, though the non-conservation of the baryon number of the decay of UDH to mesons through the weak force, and perhaps even more importantly why the “classical” fusion through the strong interaction does not take place, remain to be explained. Independently whether this model reflects the reality or not, the fact that you succeeded to detect macroscopic realisations of LENR and that you share those openly with everyone is appreciated. Thanks for that.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thankyou for considering the evidence.

        From Ecco fuel we have the standard type ‘Strange Radiation’ tracks on large photographic plates. Also from analysis of the first batch of fuel, we have conversion of Ni, Ti, C and H2O to mostly Pb by weight. This same transmutation is observed by Hutchison, Adamenko and LeClaire with a wide range of systems/approaches and starting elements.

        From this specific sample, we have degradation of and signatures on in-contact and at a distance PET. IN the case of that at a distance, the patterns determined under laser microscope were in line with those observed on 8mm film during Hutchison experiments.

        Furthermore, from this sample, we have direct detection of strange radiation by way of CCD.

        I expect, since this sample had high activity, that there will be similar gross transmutation from Ni, Ti, C and H2O.

        The reason for this observation should be clear after ‘O Day’. There is other evidence, from LION 2, already shared that I have asked people to see – but they have not to date, so I may put it forward for consideration before ‘O Day’ with further evidence, so that people can have a better mental map of what is going on come the day.

        • Da Phys

          Thank you Bob for the swift reply. From what you say, I see this as further evidence of Rydberg matter:
          – PET is known as a nuclear track detector capable to detect mesons
          – CCD can capture muons of a given energy (though I believe that most of the strange radiations remain pions and kaons)
          – the ingredients in both ECCO and LIONS are exactly those required to produce Rydberg Matter of hydrogen.
          – last but not least, EVOs as described by Shoulder share many (if not all) characteristics with Rydberg Matter simply because Rydberg Matter is formed of clusters surrounded by delocalized electrons.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As I said and described in my Copenhagen lecture last year, RM may be playing a role.

            There are structures and super structures that come into balance with each other and self-organise in a fractal manner though, and that will become irrefutable as we approach and go through ‘O Day’ – moreover, the world will be able to replicate it in a number of ways with LION being the most accessible.

            What can be learned from these experiments is so much it is difficult to fathom.

          • Da Phys

            If Rydberg Matter is truly at the root of LENR, LION is a good but still far from optimal design. What makes LION extremely interesting is the combination of (1) ingredients and procedure to produce RM within the reactor, (2) copper wrapping the reactor to capture the “strange radiations” to produce heat. In the history of LENR, it is interesting to note that only a very few reactors show this combination, with those showing this combination the ones that often had a large COP.

            I don’t know if ECCO produced some heat (was this measured?) however from the design I would guess that ECCO should be capable of producing copious amounts of “strange radiations” and transmutations, but minimal heat only because of the weaker stopping capability of the steel sheath.

          • Axil Axil

            On the QX reactor, Rossi must load the metallic hydrogen into the tube after a fuel preparation process. Rossi uses a shell material that confines the agent very well. That shell material is boron nitrite since it is transparent, high melt temperature over 3000C and an insulator.

          • Da Phys

            As you know, I don’t like the use of the wording “metallic hydrogen” because metallic hydrogen as defined by Wigner and Huntington in the 1930s doesn’t involve a phase change whereas ultra-dense hydrogen does. In short ultra-dense hydrogen is not metallic hydrogen. I suggest that you clarify this point in your future posts.

          • Axil Axil

            Both metallic hydrogen and UDH are superconducting. That is why I group them together.

          • Da Phys

            With the former having an interatomic distance 2 orders of magnitude longer than the latter. Not even apples and oranges, but apples and hot-air balloons.

          • Axil Axil

            From

            Ultra-dense deuterium and cold fusion claims

            F. Winterberg
            University of Nevada, Reno, USA

            In the presence of an ordering magnetic field the deuterium Rydberg
            matter implodes isothermally to the high densities under the
            removal of heat along the constant pressure isotherm of a van der
            Waals equation of state. Because at low temperatures the Rydberg
            matter behaves like a metallic conductor, the heat can be removed
            by heat conduction to a metallic shell holding the deuterium Rydberg
            matter…… and so on

          • Da Phys

            Exactly. Which supports my point.

          • Axil Axil

            The metallic hydrogen is superconductive and provides a double mirror for photons to be entrapped in the electron layer. A process of polariton formation through electron/photon entanglement must be occurring were the metallic hydrogen becomes a host for a polariton condensate on its surface

            Polaritons make possible a number of effects that Bob has seen. The first being the flux tube that produces the double dot transmutation pattern.

            The polariton has negative mass that can keep open the flux tube(aka wormhole). A polariton condensate can store reaction energy by increasing the energy content of the photons entrapped in the condensate via fano resonance.

            The strange radiation tracks show both dipole and monopole movement patterns which leads to the possiblity that Whispering Galloway waves form a soliton in the polariton condensate.

            This soliton is independent as a quasiparticle and feeds as it moves over the surface of matter while it recycles energy extracted from that matter into mesons.

            From the micrographs of ME356 fuel, we see that the transmutation of carbon produced by this agent increases in power as it moves over the surface of the carbon and as its energy store becomes more fully occupied. The nanowires tracks that the agent produces starts out producing a low Z metal and transmutation product then gradually increases in atomic weight until a very heavy metal results.

          • Da Phys

            Axil, do you realize that meson production (rather than decay) requires energy levels in the range of a hundreds of MeV and that “polariton condensates” can only have a very very small fraction of that energy even in the case of a resonance? Why do you believe that a “production” is at play knowing that the decay of UDH in mesons through the weak force is a much more direct route to produce mesons with the required energy levels?

          • Axil Axil

            It has been observed that 100s of these quasiparticles are entangled. A globule energy store common within this entangled ensemble provide the possibility of a huge energy store.

            http://restframe.com/mm/galleries/images/vector_swarm-copy.jpg

          • Da Phys

            What is huge for you, please precise, meV or eV or MeV or GeV?
            Two STRONG arguments against this:
            – polariton condensates usually have energy levels in the meV range, possibly eV but still 6 orders of magnitude less than mesons.
            – polaritons condensates have already been created by several groups and AFAIK not a single group has reported the disappearance of these condensates with the production of relativistic mesons.

          • Axil Axil

            the GeV range as shown by keth fredricks.

            http://restframe.com/downloads/tachyon_monopoles.pdf

            As you know, polartion condensates are an analog of black holes. String theory predicts that tachyon monopolies will produce hadoronization.

            See page 19

            The Inside Story:
            Quasilocal Tachyons and Black Holes

            http://slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-11616.pdf

            This effect is similar in some ways to the description of black
            hole evaporation via hadronization.

            Heat is produced in LENR through hawking radiation.

          • Da Phys

            Again, it is not because that a physical phenomenon is described somewhere in the literature that it applies to LENR. Here, yes polariton condensates in metal defects share some physical properties with black holes however they have an effective mass in the meV range, and not GeV as you claim. You are just way off by 9 orders of magnitude. As if your head has the size of the earth.
            Finally, if mesons would be produced through polaritons condensates as you suggest, and not from decay as Holmlid experiments show, do you realize that it cannot involve more energy out than energy in, in full contradiction with LENR experiments, simply because you still need to find the energy required to produce these condensates?

          • Axil Axil

            Keth Fredrics has measured the energy content of the “tachyons” by counting the number of silver molecules that have been exposed to it on the surface of film. This measurement was also done by the Proton 21 project. In short, the tachyon has energy content at least GeV.

            “The energy loss in the emulsion is computed based on the number of developed (or bleached) AgBr grains.
            A cylindrical track of length L has a volume V = ⇡r2L where r = radius of the cylinder. The right tail of the right-hand track in Fig. 43 will be used throughout as an example. We measure track length to be 13.3mm and
            track width to be 20μm or 0.02mm, so track radius, r = 0.01mm. Grain size (undeveloped), sgrain is 0.34μm34
            (developed grain size is about 70% of the undeveloped grain size35 or 0.24μm) Shrinkage of the emulsion is neglected here since our tracks are horizontal and mostly saturated in a thin emulsion on a plastic base…and so on…

            Read the experiment…

          • Da Phys

            There is simply no evidence in Keith Fredericks experiments of polariton condensates in the GeV range. You made that from hot air.
            And you didn’t answer my 2nd point about what is the source of the energy. In practice you just describe a process without saying where the energy comes from.

          • Axil Axil

            The energy comes from the decay of the protons and neutrons under the influence of the flux tube as observed by Bob. Holmlid shows the decay can produce 390 MeV per diproton.

            http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0169895

            The first particles formed and observed [16,17] are kaons, both neutral and charged, and also pions. From the six quarks in the two protons, three kaons can be formed in the interaction. Two protons correspond to a mass of 1.88 GeV while three kaons correspond to 1.49 GeV. Thus, the transition 2 p → 3 K is downhill in internal energy and releases 390 MeV. If pions are formed directly, the energy release may be even larger. The kaons formed decay normally in various processes to charged pions and muons. In the present experiments, the decay of kaons and pions is observed directly normally through their decay to muons, while the muons leave the chamber before they decay due to their easier penetration and much longer lifetime.

          • Da Phys

            I see that you can change your opinion based on experimental evidence. Decay in mesons from hadrons and not production of mesons from polaritons. We are now on the same line.

          • Axil Axil

            Both meson formation mechanisms are happening.

            Holmlid states that his lab lights produce enough energy to increase the production of muons. Lights on => muons. Lights off => no muons.

            Input energy produces Muons.

          • Da Phys

            Yes light triggers hadron decay but cannot be the source of hadronization given that the laser energy is 9 orders of magnitude too low to create mesons!

          • Axil Axil

            The nature of the energy output as seen in the QX points to the polariton condensate as the source of the output energy format.

            Source being variable coherent light whose frequency is based on the density of the polariton condinsate. Heat based on hawhing radiation, and electron creation based on nucleon decay through the meson creation.

          • Da Phys

            Do you realise this contradicts what you just wrote below? Either the mesons result from the decay of the hadrons or they are created from Hawking radiation. These are two very different processes!

          • Axil Axil

            Marrying superconductors, lasers, and Bose-Einstein condensates
            June 17, 2016 by Sheri Ledbetter

            http://phys.org/news/2016-06-superconductors-lasers-bose-einstein-condensates.html

          • Da Phys

            What’s your point? Another article without any direct relation with what we are talking about?

          • Axil Axil

            First hand observation has witnessed that the QX produces variable frequency light from red to blue based on its heat output.

          • Da Phys

            So what? Again no direct relation with the phenomenon we are talking about.

          • Axil Axil

            The QX is covered under Rossi’s patent which defines a fuel production step like the LION reactor, the ECCO and the ME356. They all work the same. They all uses UDH. Since the QX shows polariton behavior, then all reactors of this UDH type are based on polariton condensation.

          • Da Phys

            I agree with you that UDH is probably central to LENR. But “UDH based on polariton condensation” does not mean anything to me. These are two completely different beasts.

          • Axil Axil

            This article shows how the flux tube is formed

            Half-solitons in a polariton quantum fluid behave like magnetic monopoles

            http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.3564.pdf

          • Da Phys

            Probably. But this doesn’t link UDH with polariton condensates. Another article thrown here that does not answer the question.

          • Axil Axil

            Polaritons will form on any metallic nanowire including UDH and cavities and bumps. This ability covers the case where fuel prep does not happen such as Piantelli and Mizuno.

          • Da Phys

            1: there is no evidence of polariton condensation on top of UDH. A condensate on another condensate? Bose would love that!
            2: even if this far-fatched hypothesis proves to be true, this does not give any role to polariton condensates in LENR.

            If UDH is central to LENR, the only question that remains unsolved is why the fast fusion involving the strong force is prevented. Polaritons condensates have nothing to do with that.

          • Axil Axil

            The polariton condensate provides an energy storage mechanism that UDH does not have; that is energy storage. It has been shown that when the LENR agent is destroyed, XUV and x-rays are produced. Those photons come from the polariton condensate when electrons and photons deentangle.

          • Da Phys

            Bien au contraire. UDH naturally stores GeVs of energy whereas polaritons condensates are only able to “store” eVs of energy, we only went through this.

          • Axil Axil

            I am referring to the case where there is no UDH in play.

          • Da Phys

            Which does not change the facts that polariton condensates cannot store GeVs of energy and that energy has to come from somewhere and cannot lead to COP>1.

          • Axil Axil

            Bob has seen a monopole hopping over a copper oxide surface punching holes in it as it moves. Where is the energy stored in the UDD when it is moving from hop to hop?

          • Da Phys

            This does not answer the questions above about the impossibility of polariton condensates to be in the GeV range and lead to COP>1. Again you throw something that is tangential to the point we discuss.

            Since you follow UDH, you should know that RM can move on a surface and UDH within the bulk of some materials.

          • Axil Axil

            The UDD expels all photons and electrons from the positive core via the meissner effect since it is superconducting. It has not photon storage location except in the electrons cloud.

          • Axil Axil

            Electrons must be converted into bosons in order to accumulate. electrons being fermions cannot absorb energy since they will expanded into a large plasma cloud.

          • Axil Axil

            What mechanism enables 100s of UDD particles to become entangled as I have proved in those track pictures.

          • Axil Axil

            Don’t forget about the microwave LENR transmutation that Eyely has shown MDMP. there is no UDD in that reaction. But there are loads of nanoparticles in a dusty plasma. Maybe polaritons exist on those nanoparticles?

          • Da Phys

            RM is a dusty plasma !

          • Axil Axil

            Well then poloritons can ride that high horse.

            Eyely states that all LENR is caused by polaritons

            http://www.egely.hu/letoltes/Fusion-by-Pseudo-Particles-Part3.pdf

            But he is overdoing it a little.

          • Axil Axil

            The Hutchison effect does not produce UDD, but it produces the SAME LENR effects as UDD. Please explain how this is possible. Where is the energy stored in the Hutchison effect?

          • Da Phys

            There are several realisations of the Hutchison effect (I refer to this page http://www.hutchisoneffect.com/Experiments%20Main.php) that can be explained by RM. Please precise which realisation of the Hutchison Effect is similar to LENR and cannot be explained by RM or UDH.

          • Axil Axil

            The version that produces LENR effects.

      • Stephen

        Fascinating and insightful exchange here thanks for that.

        The tracks from the spheres seem to be consistent in length. Could this give us an indication of energy, half life and TOF and charge too they are curved in a magnetic field too. If they were curved in a linear electric field too could we identify magnetic properties of the particles?

        I wonder if the PET is a bit like a bubble chamber in this regard and if we can identify the particles Kaons, Pions, other strange radiation from these characteristics in these marks.

        • Da Phys

          You make two very good points.

          Re the consistency in length, yes there is evidence that a crack or void of a given length is required. Unfortunately, AFAIK, there is no quantitative value that could assist in the design of some experiments. If RM is at play, the ideal length should vary with the pressure. The easiest way to produce RM remains the desorption of an alkali metal in a container with very low pressure.

          I don’t know if it is possible to determine the type of meson and/or their energy when PET is used as a nuclear track detector. I would guess no however I have no direct expertise in that matter. I see more potential with a cloud chamber and with the types of detectors that Holmlid is using.

          • Stephen

            Thanks interesting. I agree seeing what comes up in a cloud chamber Could be fascinating.

            I must admit to being a big fascinated by UDD and UDH and how it forms from Rydberg matter.

            Is it stable in thread like form at the ends or can it form loops and need to some fact the to remain stable?. If so would that be a kind of minimal toroid in this particular matter state? Perhaps from stacked rydberg Hydrogen collapsing into a ring at the p orbital radius or something?

          • Da Phys

            Agree that UDH is truly fascinating. A fifth phase of matter that could explain many things (LENR, dark matter…).

            Holmlid has evidence that UDH can form chains or small clusters. Clusters of ions do normally form toroids (as RM can do) however the fact that UDH shows a Meissner effect make things more complicated. Actually, if UDH was already well characterized, Holmlid would have already received the Nobel prize. It would be quite an achievement (and a well deserved revenge…) that UDH and cold fusion solve both today’s failure of hot fusion and perhaps current biggest unresolved question in physics.

          • Stephen

            It could explain a lot.

            I can imagine self arrangements of that kind of the macro structure that stack in alternate polarity and other arrangements that are planar that may have E or H quadrupole, Hexupole or Multipole type characteristics. That could lead to all sorts of things if this structure can apply their effects at atomic scale… but I’m getting a head of my self a bit there.

            There do seem to be commonalities with this material, the structures Bob might be hinting at and other similar kinds of cluster like entities others have suggested too. I think we are getting close to characterizing it.

            I’m curious though if Bob has realized something more fundemental about resonance and energy expression that becomes more apparent when considering what is going on at these scales. That would be quite something too.

    • Andreas Moraitis
      • Bob Greenyer

        What was your point here?

        The stress lines in the images you have shared are radial without breaks and there are no ‘spheres’ at the boundary with marks having close correlation to those ‘spheres’

        The tracks in ECCO were not just in the metal, but in the PET in contact with the metal and in the PET at a distance and observed of film and CCD. If I stress metal , say in a hydraulic press, I would not expect strange radiation tracks in PET, film or on CCD.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Ok

  • Axil Axil

    The great thing about the state of LENR today is that LENR can be replicated through the Looking For Heat/LION reactor. For all those that are interested, LENR can occur in their own labs and studied using their own measurement equipment.

    The best case is that Rossi product release will motivate interest in LENR through the profit/competition motive and that incentive will spill over into interest to replicate LENR via the LION reactor.

  • Bob Greenyer

    No value

  • Axil Axil

    Rome wasn’t built in a day, The first job that Bob must accomplish is to set forth a new hypothesis about the mechanisms of the LENR reaction.

    He must clean out the belief that fusion is the primary mechanism produced by the LENR reaction.

    This is a hard job because this idea is set in stone among LENR researchers. The LENR community must be reeducated toward a proper understanding of the LENR reaction and how it works.

    When a united front inside the LENR research community is established, then the real science community might see LENR as a valid area of research. Currently, the fusion meme makes LENR a joke throughout real science.

    Hopefully, the LION reactor might serve as a seedbed to inspire the development of more commercial LENR products to compete with Rossi.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful discussions overnight, many looking at things understandably with current scientific knowledge, Stephen seems to be the one most willing to consider that Bob has “realised” something beyond know science.
    Bob, It seems the guys have gone as far as they can without that additional information that you are considering giving before “O” day.
    Look forward to that and what the page makes of it.

    • artefact

      As I have some interest in astronomy I stumbled over a picture that reminded me of the x-rays of LION.

      I could imagine that the neighbour “sphere” could be docked to the main “sphere” like this at the edge.
      like one center ring with other rings snapped in at the edge.

      Maybe the edge around these neighbours were aligned with the pet and created the tracks.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/62bca51cee570fdb6497a12e79333772e6d104ea4923a678d63756d859712da7.jpg

      • georgehants

        artefact, beautiful picture, I am afraid my mind works in a different way and I seem unable to make head nor tails of all these diagrams and pictures.
        I just have to read what you guys make of it all.
        Thanks for yours and everybody else’s work keeping us involved.

        • sam

          SAME

        • artefact

          Think of the “flower”. It has a central “sphere” or triangle and around that are other spheres like leaves. And that is repeated with other flowers interconnecting through the leaves.
          If the structure is created by a non chemical effect, then I would think there need to be fields to create them.
          The x-rays are an example how the fields could look like.
          And somehow these fields need to interact to create these flowers. And I would guess they connect at the edge as is seen in the x-ray. I attached the nebula picture to better see how I think the red marked sphere is related to the main sphere.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Flip?

        • artefact

          Yes. I did it like my last one and it is quite good. The angle could be better.

  • georgehants

    Bruce, your answers seem generally fair, I am of course referring to the many occasions such as Hameroff et al, Quantum activity in biological conditions, Cold Fusion, NDE, Telepathy, UFO’s etc. etc. etc. when the majority of establishment “scientists” follow the closed-minded preaching of the holy scientific religion demanding that such things are impossible and avoided.
    You yourself have just said “why consider consciousness” in brain Research etc.
    The reason is that in any genuine logical science no possibility can be ignored competently.
    This error has been seen thousands of times in the history of science, one would think these people who claim to be qualified and intelligent would be able correct such obvious mistakes.
    Only completely open-minded science is science of any value, everything else is playing silly games, always allowing for applied science that has no need to think outside of a closed box, but then can not be classed as science.
    A perfect example is this page where any debunking, abuse, disbelief, allowing of course for sensible quiet skepticism, is scientific incompetence, only the Truth will survive and the only way to find that is open Research of every possible subject in this reality.
    Personal beliefs, opinions etc. have no place in science beyond choosing the best course of progress etc.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 x-rays at 16bit per channel, raw

    Bit of dust fibres sadly as only had 10 mins access to scanner.

    https://goo.gl/mj2DuH

    • Stephen

      hi Bob,
      is the side picture and bottom picture swapped? it seems to be compared to the group photo

      • Bob Greenyer

        maybe – like I said, I had very little time. the reference shot I did yesterday is correct.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Well, could they?

  • Bob Greenyer

    NURUGO Micro – Up to 400x magnification adaptor for smart phone

    This inexpensive lens adaptor for common smartphones might possibly be a very useful tool for feature identification in LION replications.

    https://youtu.be/mBl2HFoI3J4

  • Bob Greenyer

    No maths.

    The presentation will have links to many resources for further investigation, but should stand on its own for many people to just get it. Many people will spend a long time arguing the specifics.

  • Stephen

    Thanks Bruce,

    I haven’t been able to download the detailed pictures yet so your observations help a lot.

    • artefact

      The basic shape is the black frame. It mostly looks like a clinched hexagon. Sometimes a good hexagon.
      in the middle are two swirls (“69”). Each of which is sometimes more a swirl, sometimes more a hexagon.
      On the black boundary the yellow circles are small hexagons again (“6”) with the counterpart (“9”) on the outside. Together (ring connector and the the one outside [not displayed]) they build another (“69”).
      Then the whole thing is ocuring fractal in a cirle building the flowers (hexagon) or a big spiral.
      Everything is also fractal to the inside. The “6” consists of dots which are the basic shape again each.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fbe6be18de4ab96ded23256f34c68f9d4a2e830290c12cc59647a5761998423e.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        Now you understand my 69 image.

        • artefact

          I think normally they are hexagons. When they have neighbors and build a bigger pattern they get pressed and form the shape in the above image.
          (like some human cells when they are in a group)

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – the self organisation is very evident.

  • Axil Axil

    https://phys.org/news/2018-03-scientists-quantum-particle-properties-ball.html

    Scientists observe a new quantum particle with properties of ball lightning

    https://3c1703fe8d.site.internapcdn.net/newman/csz/news/800/2018/3-scientistsob.jpg

    Hot off the press…

    This EVO building method discovery was a first for real science. But Ken Shoulders worked with this particle for years.

    Real science has created an EVO out of super cold atoms. They don’t yet know how to use polaritons yet to form a Bose Condensate. The key takeaways from this article is Bose condensation, counter rotating spin currents, and self confining magnetic fields.

    It is important to understand that EVO need to be made out of bosons (light/electrons) and not fermions (electrons only)

    In the EVOs that LENR uses, polaritons provides the spin currents that can form at very high temperatures. Spin current generate magnetic fields. The counter rotating spin currents produce the flux tubes that show up as double dots when they encounter matter. A monopole magnetic field can evolve when the two counter rotating spin currents reform into a single spin current. This is the particle type that produces the hopping rabbit tracts that Bob calls strange radiation.

  • Axil Axil

    Bose condensation of spin is critical to the LENR reaction. Bose condensation means that all the members of the condensate must all be identical. The state does not behave like an ordinary gas anymore but like a single giant atom. This means that all the spins are identical. The chirality of this global spin state is the same. It is like the color of a laser beam, where all the photons are the same identical color. But in the case of the EVO, all the spins are identical. The EVO is like a magnetic laser.

    When the magnetic field produced by the condensate hits a proton, the quarks go bonkers because they are overwhelmed by a trillion identical spins with the same handedness. The quarks flip their chirality, they may transform into their antiparticle, the quarks change their nature, and the proton is destroyed.

    • Musical Hemispheres

      What you describe here clarifies a lot. I like “magnetic laser” and the large number of identical spins affecting a proton. Like how we got a lamp post in motion as a kid. But then with more aspects in synch then just the frequency.
      And what if the proton (and the other well known particles) is a complex combination of spins itself, and “quarks” are just a convenient way to distinguish those spins? Not my own idea, but it could be very interesting.

  • HAL9000

    Bob works as an artist works. Time is simply an observer, not a master.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Stephen Taylor

    While we’re waiting, and those of us having been here for awhile are very good at waiting, may I suggest that you google Nassim Haramein. The insights to be gained are relevant to our upcoming enlightenment. 🕸

  • Bob Greenyer

    I Agree – just uploading another video of an amazing observation on the quartz liner.

    This lens is a real tool.

  • Axil Axil

    There is an new and important perspective that Bob Greenyer is giving the LENR community. LENR is a lot more than excess heat. A LENR developer can look at the results of his experiments in a new light and make a more informed judgement about where progress on his project stands. Feedback is all important in engineering, an engineer wants to know immediately if the thing he has just changed has made a difference. Using simple tools, Bob has shown how to get that feedback.

    • Stephen Taylor

      Also, as I believe you have said in the past, Alan Smith’s standardized “Model T” reactor platform is a wonderful tool. Using this standard reactor base with LION parameters and Bob’s perspective may provide a way forward.

    • Stephen Taylor

      Want you to know that your conversation with DaPhys was very helpful. Some hours studying the references helped to provide a sense of connection if not understanding for me. Thanks to both of you!

  • David_Kaiser_39

    My imagination is struggling to imagine what is happening in 3D. I can see the hexagons, I can see the flower pattern. I can see the spheres. I can see the double dots and triangles and do understand that they are related to a Torus. I just simply cannot connect this all together. So I’m following all these findings and hopefully, I will understand at some point.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – Crack with consistent width in quartz filled with ‘spheres’

    From one end of the tube to the other, there is a crack in the quartz that looks like it has been laser precision cut without variation in width and it is filled with spheres that appear to be made of different elements.From one end of the tube to the other, there is a crack in the quartz that looks like it has been laser precision cut without variation in width and it is filled with spheres that appear to be made of different elements.

    Also, strange radiation tracks in glass.

    https://youtu.be/Ws82OTq-NSU

    • Stephen Taylor

      Astonishing video Bob. Congrats on your new camera! Wow!!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks – about $90 addition to my smartphone including shipping – but I think worth every penny – I think as a community, as replications get going, we can learn a LOT from this one tool.

    • Axil Axil

      I can’t say it is the same, but LeClair detected a 2 meter long trench that spiraled around a copper rod produced by a water crystal.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Sorry, family ill this week – me too, so having to steel moments between childcare.

  • georgehants

    Bruce, I am so pleased that we now are having very good conversations now.
    I could not agree more about the Placebo, it is a proven very powerful effect and needs much more Research but as you know dismissed by much of science

    • Bruce__H

      The placebo effect for pain is not dismissed by science at all. It is part of mainstream science and has been for decades There are many many publications in the top journals worldwide including Science and Nature.

      • georgehants

        Bruce, much of science and drug companies dismiss the placebo even though they have to take it into account on every drug trial.
        A mummy’s “kiss it better” is powerful.
        Which-doctors have almost certainly helped people greatly throughout history.
        What makes me laugh in the incompetence of the average debunker is their use of snake oil to debunk, when the benefits that it has brought to children and people over the years is incalculable.
        The Placebo is not excepted by materialistic medicine in anything like the way that it competently should be, as the Research on spontaneous remission is almost non-existent.
        My last comment down here, I hope we continue above, Best.

  • Bob Greenyer

    For those still believing this is a purely chemical / well known process, here is a potential wake-up… or not.

    This is a HUGE clue as to what is going on… and there is more in here than I am drawing attention to – what can you see?

    LION 2 – ‘Spheres’ in Diamonds and more…

    How does a diamond become a ‘sphere’?

    https://youtu.be/0NR4-F5-J0o

    • David_Kaiser_39

      Is it possible to see unused diapads to compare?

      • Axil Axil

        see magicsnd1 post above

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will try and get a shot later, I shared some images a few weeks back with my Canon macro lense – Alan Goldwaters excellent microscope work above is better for getting intermediate images since the Nurugo has a very short working distance – I am very worried about scratching the Nurugo’s lens with the fresh diapads – lets see what can be done.

        • David_Kaiser_39

          I understand. Thank you, Bob. For me, it is beyond doubt that the diamonds lost mass during the process they went through.

          Diamond (carbon) does not melt at 1 atm. It sublimes to vapor. Using carbon’s theoretical phase diagram below (from Wikimedia), “liquid diamond” could be achieved at about 10 GPa and 5000 K, which is equal to almost 99 thousand atmospheres and 4726.85 °C.

          There is no rational explanation for this phenomenon. Astonishing.

          • Bob Greenyer

            ‘Dissapeared’

            I suspect you may find out shortly where they went

          • David_Kaiser_39

            Where, Bob? What is happening here? I know that you are waiting for more evidence. During the last days I explained the LION findings as good as I could to some engineers here. Just because I have some time now and because I care. However, some of them think I’m nuts, but most of them are not even bothering or trying to understand. It’s amazing to see human behavior in all its glory. This is going on for some time now. I’m sure you are making the same experience on a daily basis. I don’t mind if all this will end up in a hot air balloon (incl. Signore Rossi – I’m still waiting to receive my E-Cat that I ordered some years ago). At least we went pretty far all together here.

            When I listen to the current popular theories – they just don’t make any sense when you really go into the details (entanglement how it works, no clue, Schroedingers cat, is it dead or not? Come on..really? ) . For me, it is just not possible that a bunch of quarks or other particles, coming out of a cosmic explosion some gazillions of years have been shaped or shuffled into all what is around and within us. It’s even far less possible than that a bunch of monkeys behind typewriters will ever write War and Peace.

            I have no clue what the message of “O” Day will be, and I don’t expect “O” to explain why the universe exists. I’m just happy that there are people like you, Bob, artifact, Axil, georgehants, Musical Hemispheres, Alan G and many others that are asking questions that most don’t dare to ask because I’m tired to listen to Brian Greene’s stories – sorry, Mr. Brian.

          • Bob Greenyer

            David, I think that your friends will find ‘O Day’ very difficult.

            Mostly I am processing and selecting the best evidence. I can emphatically say, LENR is real – 4 different systems all showing the same signatures. NOVA, ECCO, LION and Hutchison – all independent of each other and all multiply replicating themselves.

            LENR is done – it is now messaging.

          • David_Kaiser_39

            LENR is done. Imagine the magnitude of the message conveyed. Diamonds disappearing, spheres popping up out of nowhere. I’m rubbing my eyes. Thanks Bob and good night.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I took some really nice scale shots and video of the raw 3M Diapad cookies for you

          • David_Kaiser_39

            yes, i just saw. Thank you very much, Bob. Amazing. Now it is very very clear that the structure of the diamonds and their mass have been impacted by what? Just heating the up? No way. There is more going on here. Axil is also trying to give a possible explanation above.

          • Stephen Taylor

            The disappearance of diamond material may be explained by simple combustion in air. A quick Google search gives a range of temperatures under different oxygen conditions that seem to include ≤800°C.

            There is a lot going on that seems to defy chemical explanation at the moment and excess heat measurements vs available chemical pathways are forthcoming in the experiments being prepared.

            For now though, we can only stare at the myriad patterns in the logs of our fireplaces and wonder what comes next.

    • Willem Prinsloo

      It looks like a Fe tongue sticking out
      of a stoma to me.

      This pdf file by F Michael Russell
      Tracks in Mica 50 years Later (muons,mica, fans, kinks tadpoles)
      might be of interest to you. Also See Ref 10 in pdf doc

      http://www.springer.com/cda/content/document/cda…/9783319210445-c1.pdf?SGWID...

  • Bob Greenyer
    • artefact

      The tube has hexagons on it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Very good artefact.

        What else does it have on it?

        • artefact

          The white stuff that is all over.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes.

            Next video will be one to watch for.

            And again – it is very weird to have predicted these things 6 weeks ago, before LION 2 was run, and then see them there, in the physical evidence earlier today.

          • Axil Axil

            Is the white stuff the cavities in which the LENR active agent forms? What is the nanostuture of the white stuff? It could be nanosized grains of diamond that the week long heat processing of the diamond has generated.

    • georgehants

      Afternoon Bob, you have shown a picture of an almost perfect hexagon at Jupiter’s pole, what could have caused such an occurrence beyond blind chance?
      You show hexagons at microscopic scales plus other effects, you say it is fractal, black/white holes are involved, swirls, etc. etc. after admiring all the other guys putting everything into deciphering your realisation, I do not feel I am just being dumb in not seeing what you after much study seem to see as fairly obvious.
      Roll on “O” day.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Nature.

        ‘O day’ would be too much to take in one go and I need the evidence to be as strong as possible. Already some people here will be equipped to see the ramifications and to understand the connectivity to many things – this will be very helpful to me as many answers will be obvious to them and I will not have to answer everything.

        • georgehants

          Bob, luckily I will have no trouble accepting any possible explanation even if it involves fairy’s etc, as long as there is the Evidence over time to confirm the effect.

  • georgehants

    Materialistic science should have been abandoned 70 years ago except for those caught in believing everything including the brain is a steam engine.
    ————-
    Quantum Theory Bends The Limits of Physics, Showing Two-Way Signaling May Be Possible
    The limit does not exist.
    https://www.sciencealert.com/two-way-communication-one-quantum-particle-superposition

  • Charlie tapp

    Who are you bob knows I am joking I started following same time he helped build quantumheat. I have been here a while kinda have the right to rib him if I want.

  • Charlie tapp

    HURRY UP BOB GREENYER!! All caps people I am crazy like that.

    • sam

      That is why a real CAPITILISTS usually wins.
      They raise money from some other capitilist that
      wants to make money.
      They then go all out and hire someone to tend to
      other distractions.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It’d would be great if the capitalists would come right out and deliver this already – save me a lot of time and effort.

        • sam

          If i had the money i would finance you
          and a team so we all made a lot of money
          and use the excess to do good in the World.

          • Bob Greenyer

            There will be a lot of people ready to take up the baton. We can continue to play our role and push things forward.

          • sam

            I hope the winner of the race does not
            use the money to build mansions off
            your back breaking brain and leg work.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What will be, will be.

    • HAL9000

      Dr. Mills spent twenty years and sixty million dollars tying to crack the secrets of LENR. We’ve only been at this for a few years. Unlimited energy at any point in the universe is not low hanging fruit. Check back here in a year or two.

  • Axil Axil

    One observation that I would have interest in seeing is a comparison of the micro diamonds on the diadisks before and after processing and then before and after the use of those micro diamonds in the reactor. What changes happen in those micro diamonds between each stage of use?

  • Bob Greenyer

    ME TOO – WHO IS THIS GUY – IF ONLY HE WOULD TELL ME NOW!

  • Axil Axil

    The fact that LENR is so mysterious and unbelievable makes it difficult for anybody who attempts to explain it. If the past is prologue, Bob Greenyer is in for a very hard time and a boatload of disappointment.

    Mark LeClair did an excellent job at explaining the behavior of LENR when he was into that stage of his cavitation research. But he came out of his endeavors to reveal LENR branded as a nut because the things that he was calming were so unbelievable.

    The LENR old guard were especially cruel. Even when Ed Storms did all the transmutation analysis on the ash that LeClair produced, the interaction with LeClair had not impact on Storms thinking.

    In a nutshell, Bob you are in for a long hard experience.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is lucky that I don’t have a university position to ‘respect’ or company shareholders ‘to embarrass’ or a salary to lose.

      Earning nothing from something and doing it just because I wanted to help gives one a certain sense of freedom.

      LeClair’s contribution is important, though it does not explain all of LENR.

    • sam
  • magicsnd1

    In response to Axil’s suggestion, here are some images of the diamond pads before and after the bake/soak treatment. The first two images are of the raw pads, still attached to the green resin backing sheet. The first image is with side lighting only, and shows the color of the diamonds tinted by reflected light off the backing, . The second image is with through-the-lens direct lighting, and shows bright gold-tinted reflections from the polished nickel backing of the disc. Some of the gold color is also reflected back through the diamonds, giving them more false color.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9519e28a879e8136f4ad92ab19c17cc7a1e699364389f7cf2c4da97e16a27e0c.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0d6a2d7b7811fbac0d8865121cdfe2eaf5af2dddf9975a58c60039621bd8ba3f.jpg

    The third image is of a pad removed from the D2O soaking after two weeks. The changes are subtle, but some details may be revealed after further study. The small area in the central red circle is a facet plane that happened to be horizontal to the disc, which enabled a look at higher magnification with some depth of field. The result in image 4 is pretty cool, lots of tiny tetrahedral crystals growing out of the surface. The smallest ones visible are around 1 micron, and because of the wide range of dimension seen, there are likely to be many sub-micron ones as well.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f6c11da5570a856896e348f9066e8a1137a984e8601e68bf280b359b577c606.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/07f929bcff056a53f6ccfc7a4e5ba134a6e6255fa9b558f4d243cf1e7b1058a5.jpg

    I’m not saying that these nano-scale features resulted from the bake/soak treatment. I wasn’t looking in the raw material, but having seen this, I would surely have a closer look with SEM (if I had one).

    AlanG

    • Axil Axil

      If those triangular micro features are in fact the LENR active structures, then it is reasonable to assume that these triangular features could be grown on standalone micro-diamonds without the nickel backing being used.

      Nickel is all covered over with diamond and has no exposure to the deuterium and therefore should not be excerpted to be LENR active.

      I would also be interested to see is the same features appear is the fuel preparation process is done using pure water. Will these triangular micro features still be generated? I don’t see a reason why these features would not still be produced.

      If LENR still happens with hydrogen(protium) based preparation then the posit that ultra dense hydrogen is the LENR active agent is bolstered.

      • Da Phys

        Agree. The combination of an allotrope of carbon (diamond, graphite, fullerene…), a metal (Ni, Ir…) and hydrogen (H, D) represents a good sauce to produce UDH.

        There is however an isotopic difference between H and D: when D is desorbed from an allotrope of carbon at high temperature, it is at a higher energy level than H and this difference favors the transition to the Rydberg matter clustered phase. In practice, H would require a much faster increase in temperature (a “temperature shock”) in order to be at an energy level high enough (Rydberg state) to produce RM and UDH. More challenging experimentally.

  • Axil Axil

    https://profmattstrassler.com/articles-and-posts/largehadroncolliderfaq/whats-a-proton-anyway/

    What’s a Proton, Anyway?

    https://profmattstrassler.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/myproton.jpg

    Snapshot of a proton — and imagine all of the quarks (up,down,and strange — u,d,s), antiquarks (u,d,s with a bar on top), and gluons (g) zipping around near the speed of light, banging into each other, and appearing and disappearing.

    In my minds eye, quarks are the rings of spinning energy that makes up a soliton. Gluons are the flux tubes that connect the half solitons together.

    http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/figure/image?size=inline&id=10.1371/journal.pone.0183993.g018

    These solitons pop into and out of existence from the vacuum all the time and because the vacuum has zero energy, the solitons when they are created must be matched with anti solitons so that when they disappear, zero energy is left over. The end result is a balance of solitons and flux tubes that must add up to zero energy when they go away.

    Any energy content inside the proton will result in an unbalanced quark based soliton configuration.

    When a polarized magnetic field enter the proton, things start to go wrong because the balance that the quarks maintain is disrupted by a lot of the same thing. The gluons start to fall apart. It is like stirring a vortex counter to the direction in which it is rotating. The vortex will stop spinning and the soliton will collapse. On the other hand, The spins of the flux tubes that are going in the same direction of the magnetic field will strengthen. These flux tubes will not return their energy to the vacuum and stay put.

    This unbalance in the forces inside the proton cause it to dissolve into energy from which new collections of mesons, protons, and neutrons will form.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Setup for using Nurugo Micro Lens

    Manfrotto BeFree tripod
    Cheap e-bay sprung smart phone holder
    Samsung S7
    Nurugo Micro lens

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1b14e475734c03797068d6391052c3840634cf8c63cddf694edfd6a031528e37.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Raw 3M Diapad cookies up close

    NURUGO + Samsung S7 view of LION fuel component

    https://youtu.be/-TziocShxY8

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Axil Axil

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/Diamond-diamond_macle2.jpg

    maccles

    Triangular shaped diamond.

    The diamond on the diadisk might be recrystallizing as a maccles diamond.

  • georgehants

    orsobubu, your short reply holds ten years of discussion I think.
    I am always hoping for a breakthrough into the immaterial showing a higher purpose as I believe that is the only thing that would change this sad World for the better.
    Luckily no closed-minded scientific experts can take away that Hope.
    Bob may just, going by his replies to me and others, have found something in that direction.
    Hope.
    Best

  • Bob Greenyer

    All of them.

    With differing degrees of complexity – to be determined – though, lead will be easy 😉

  • Bob Greenyer

    A note on images / video from the NURUGO, since it light guides the smart phones light to a ring light – any ovoid shape structure, as is present in the Raw Diapad cookies, will cause a white ring shaped light reflection.

    • Thomas Baccei

      Hi Bob: A main component of “O” involves vortices – probably fractal in nature. Have you ever been exposed to the mathematical work of Steven Strogatz and Arthur Winfree? They analyzed non-linear vortex (soliton) like formations in 3D fields.A Belousov–Zhabotinsky reaction, or BZ reaction, is one of a class of reactions that serve as a classical example of non-equilibrium thermodynamics, resulting in the establishment of a nonlinear chemical oscillator. Strogatz and Winfree explored the nature of solitons in 3D space, using the BZ reaction as a simplification and modelling tool. I believe that their work may well be of significant value in visualizing / analysing the field reactions apparently key to understanding the “O” complex of clues.

      http://detritus.fundacioace.com/pub/books/Strogatz%20-%20Nonlinear%20dynamics%20and%20chaos.pdf

      The cover picture of this paper will either pique your curiosity or not. Take a look if you have a moment. There is no doubt in my mind that chaos theory, coupled oscillators and emergent properties will all be central to cracking this nut.

      Clearly electromagnetic field oscillations can form stable, fractal and self replicating forms. Also, from Axil, “spin fields” may well also be of great importance. A 3D EM field complex soliton, involving also, a “spin” field component might well involve an extrapolation from the 3D fields of Strogatz-Winfree into four or more dimensions. Staggeringly difficult to even begin to understand the complexities involved. (Axil is always so well informed and versed in hyper modern concepts in physics, but suffers from far too much certainty of his conclusions). How and why Platonic solids and spheres are manifested also has possible connections to harmonic field oscillations in N space.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thomas, that is an excellent reference on a skim look, not seen before – I used to have a whole bunch of public domain Amiga apps that worked with fractals and chaos and you could seed them and see the forms.

        Inputs and outcomes from replications of LION and other experiments I have highlighted will surely lead to application of the concepts and maths presented here to understand what is going on. The discussion from p161 is interesting.

        Thankyou for sharing.

  • Stephen

    Really interesting document thanks.

  • sam
    • Stephen

      An astonishing amount of work in this!

      Thanks to Jed for compiling it. This history deserves a book.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Dammit – looks like I did scratch the lens… Diamonds and glass – no prizes for guessing which one won! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8fa002d68a9630fe80dbc96cc119dcaae27675e2ee73d3952e1f2f7610ee2742.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer
    • artefact

      What was the flickering when you switched the light off? Was that normal?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Flickering is just the camera trying to find light.

    • artefact

      “What could that be?” But you said the triangle points to the black hole 🙂

    • Axil Axil

      If you have a laser pointer laying about, we might use that to see what is going on. The tight beam of the laser might be bright enough to see to the bottom of the hole. It the hole is still black, then that would be something very strange.

      It could be a dark mode soliton that is absorbing the incoming light.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_soliton

      • Bob Greenyer

        The ring light is very intense from the Nurugo light guide – I can’t get a laser in there at the same time.

    • artefact

      In the photo are other spots that are black. Are they the same or does it just look like it from the angle the photo was made?

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0ffd73fc4903fb9fa230e2afa2256a562fdadac0055066457b3d7b98955a1952.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        I selected this because it looks like the light should easily get in there with nice ‘sloping’ sides – but actually – there is just a cut off and it is just black.

    • artefact

      Something different: There is probably a nice looking spiral in image 4688. Maybe next time you are working with the Nurugo you can get a better picture of it.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ecf5413d7b70d90980bd07bb3bd97e8501d880b5e78f566d4bb5080011a29dee.jpg

    • Stephen

      I wonder if it reflects back blue or UV light.

      Will be interesting under the SEM maybe.

      • Bob Greenyer

        yes

    • Axil Axil

      Real science is trying to produce an invisibility cloak.

      https://www.osapublishing.org/oe/fulltext.cfm?uri=oe-18-15-15757&id=203743

      Hidden progress: broadband plasmonic invisibility

      It looks like the LION 2 has done it through cloaking a very wide band of light frequencies, far more then has been done by science.

      Science is using polaritons. What is LION 2 using?

      If you are keeping track of the features that LENR can bring to the new LENR science, add invisibility.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Well – that is if the room is black

      • HAL9000

        This discovery would make a Romulan green with envy (if we could see him).

    • magicsnd1

      Here’s a slo-mo GIF of the 20 frames just after the light turns back on. What can you see?
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/684e429d683160a9a7239b4448ad00c56aed1fb068b46b59ae16a13ba960d250.gif

      • Bob Greenyer

        Nice. Thankyou.

        There is a moment before the exposure adjustment routine after the light turns on – at this point, when the light is brightest and the shutter speed speed slowest, the hole is still black.

    • Axil Axil

      By the way, plants convert light energy into chemical energy using photosynthesis. Light goes into a plant and is does not come out; it is transformed into more plant mass. photosynthesis and LENR use the same basic processes to extract energy from light(gamma rays).

      • Bob Greenyer

        Gamma is light that comes from the nucleus, not all light comes from nucleus, for instance positron and electron annihilation leading to 2 photons at x-ray energies of 511keV

        other than that – I would say that the active component in LENR is there in all functional sense in plants that photosynthesise and you are on the money.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Hi John, probably you will agree that the highest priority right now is complete focus on an accurate replication of the Lion protocol. If the replication attempts succeed and robust excess heat beyond chemical is documented that will be profound. If the two spots, tracks, geometric signatures, jewels, transmutations, torous tubes, and whatever else are seen consistently it will keep people busy studying the effect for a long time.

    I agree completely that simplification, elimination of variables and tighter control protocols will all be crucial to developing understanding and possible engineering paths toward practical applications.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – Darkness my old friend

    Brightness / contrast and sharpness adjusted noise during ‘light out’ test on hole that was black.

    Position of hole that was black is marked by red outline

    Is there structure in the noise?

    https://youtu.be/4YcrQAJqf_o

    Download video for optical flow analysis – anyone know how to use opencv?

    https://goo.gl/dxrmzu

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – Nub end extreme closeup with NURUGO

    https://youtu.be/wa6x2EccqYc

  • Bob Greenyer

    I will run that test tomorrow – I actually suspect we might, so she might want to hold off for now.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP (Alan Goldwater) in California and Alan Smith (Looking for Heat) in UK and a few others.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Yes, for sure. Alan Smith from “Looking for Heat” (He is, of course, the originator of the test platform nicknamed the model T as well as some more advanced testing platforms.) has preparation underway and has completed some control runs.
    Alan Goldwater with MFMP is also well along with fuel prep and both may be ready to attempt a replication this month. You can see Alan G’s recent update as the latest thread here on ECW regarding “Images of diamond pads…”
    There may be others. Enjoy!

  • Stephen Taylor

    Check out lookingforheat.com and quantumheat.org and The Martin Fleischman Memorial Project on Facebook and lenr forum to name a few. Things could get real interesting later this month.

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, you have many people sitting on the edge of their seats waiting for clues, you ask for instance ——
    “LION 2 – It’s black and it’s a hole – hmmm – what could it be?”
    Axil has asked a question, no answer so far, fully understanding your situation, but would it not be fair for you to now answer your own question from your position of having a full realisation.
    Children cannot wait for ever for Father Christmas or they get too excited.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The position of the feature relative to other forms in field of view is very similar to others on other features that are similar – that is why it was of particular interest to me.

      What I know is that it is a hole and it is black and that it refused to be illuminated.

      • georgehants

        Taking your answer simply, “it refused to be illuminated.” then something is stopping the light from entering or leaving the hole, absorption, a barrier, transmission to another location, the light being transformed to other wavelengths.
        Best I can do.

        • Axil Axil

          What is at the bottom of the hole is a vector soliton. Think of it as ball lightning. This ball of light is trapped in a wave that forms a circle of light.

          http://mx.nthu.edu.tw/~rklee/images/howgm.JPG

          This ball of light is dark. When light enters the soliton, the new light is absorbed and the energy of the new light is incorporated into the light that is already there spinning around in a circle. The frequency of that ring of light increases as new light comes into the hole and is eaten by the soliton.

          The same eating process happens when matter at the bottom of the hole is turned into energy. The gamma rays from that matter fall into the ring of light and the circle of light gets stronger.

          The fact that the hole does not let light out means that the soliton at the bottom of the hole is still active.

          • georgehants

            Axil, thank you, need that to be confirmed by Bob as his interpretation.
            Hard to keep up with everything that has been said.
            Have these soliton’s eating light been confirmed?

          • Axil Axil

            Yes, they are called dark mode vector solitons.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_soliton

            But they have only been seen inside a fiber optic cable. LION is building the vehicle that the solitons ride around on. That is the ultra dense hydrogen molecule that the diamonds are making.

          • georgehants

            Thanks again and your interpretation of Bob’s patterns produced by these soliton’s is?

          • Axil Axil

            The double dots that shows up all over Bob’s pictures indicates that a magnetic flux tube that comes out of the soliton points to two counter rotating rings of light. That is what a vector soliton is…two counter rotating polarized rings of light. A magnetic flux tube connects these light rings.

          • Bob Greenyer

            One thing the lion core is forming is ultra dense deuterium, yes.

            Solitons play a role.

            It is fractal.

      • Frost*

        Perhaps there has been the creation of a substance similar/same as Vantablack. Made from carbon nanotubes.

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3493575/That-s-NOT-hole-picture-World-s-blackest-material-developed-spray-paint.html

        • Bob Greenyer

          Perhaps – but given all the other evidence, it is not top of the list.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – ‘Jewel’ outside taken with NURUGO + S7

    Extreme closeup of the rose-coloured quartz ‘Jewel’ from the outside showing the erosion detail on the quartz

    https://youtu.be/DFjdgTFEan4

    • Martijn

      It’s quite interesting to see the ‘crystalline’ pattern of the transparent parts to the right continue under the brown stuff. The brown stuff probably cakes of quit easily to reveal the same transparent glass ‘eaten away’ by the process. It looks not unsimilar to the PET bottle with ECCO spent fuel you tested (https://steemit.com/blog/@mfmp/ecco-testing-for-strange-radiation)

      Perhaps you can get a few photo’s of the bottle and PET covering with your NURUGO microscope?

      I’ve got a few macro photo’s that reveal some tracks and eaten PET structure from a similar PET bottle at the lab of Suhas. I’ll post them below here. The transparent stuff was first covered with white cake from the fuel, but a few taps (to the outside) with some pincers dislodged the withe cake to reveal the structure of the PET below. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f36044837a68cf3c6ce6fce4b31538b4a534f283bfae0f30e446cb361fb66167.jpg

      Your PET bottle is probably cracked at some places like this one: it would be interesting to look for spheres there.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi Martijn,

        The PET bottle Ralkar fuel sample 2 was in is in shreds, it was torn apart.

        I shall see what I can do – it is a good idea.

        • Martijn

          Hi Bob,

          And look at the foil sample too while you’re at it. The SEM showed transmutations in there (https://steemit.com/science/@mfmp/ecco-making-nickel-foil-for-free-energy-reactor-discharge-electrodes). Getting the foil in focus will be tricky though.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I have tape.

            I managed to get some closer shots of the LION 1 ‘Cauliflower’ which I have posted above, though the features are deep in the glass and the NURUGO kept wanting to focus on the outside of the quartz

          • Martijn

            Very pretty! I can see LENR being used as a form of art later. For now I’d be curious to find out what kind of black stuff has been deposited on the other side. All in good time.

            As for the foil + tape. The top side is bound to be more interesting than the electrode side (as that would have been laminated over by the deposition process). Taping just the very ends to some shiny white cardboard and flattening it out that way sounds like a very practical solution that might work well. The foil might have some spheres…

          • Bob Greenyer

            ‘spheres’ please – I write it like that for a reason!

          • Martijn

            Edited. I’d like to understand what you mean more precisely, as this is obviously not about notation.

            ‘sphere’ as in roughly resembling the shape of a sphere
            ‘sphere’ as in a cavity (like cauliflower pics on top) or object created by fractal growth. Perhaps a bit like this 🙁https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9kPX5I5gWg)
            ‘sphere’ more discy than fully spherical, like a torus
            some other option?

          • Bob Greenyer

            ‘Sphere’ covers a range of things

            Actual spheres
            Platonic solids
            Platonic solid derivatives

            Fractal iterations of all of the above.

            Either free-standing or in a semi-blended state

          • Bob Greenyer

            Here is a video.

            LION 1 – Quartz ‘Cauliflower’ NURUGO + S7

            https://youtu.be/i_-G0JMHH7c

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for sharing that image. It does look similar, not surprising given that they both made strange radiation and have ‘spheres’

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 – ‘Jewel’ inside taken with NURUGO + S7

    An extreme closeup of the rose-coloured quartz ‘Jewel’ from the inside showing the erosion detail on the quartz, encrustations and regular markings with repeated form.

    https://youtu.be/bvsw1cZp9cc

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      What transmutations and surface cratering did the EDS analysis of the Lion 2 fuel discs reveal?

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will be working on before after element observations by EDS today.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Thanks. Appreciated.

    • georgehants

      “and regular markings with repeated form” they must be created by some force, if regular then that force has a pattern imposed upon it from something/where else,
      powerful enough to damage quartz,
      It is either imposed from the outside or from the interior, answered by how deeply the patters extend if undamaged material is above the deeper patterns.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Please look at my photo composition above and comments.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • georgehants

    ScienceDaily
    Researchers from Würzburg and London have
    built the foundations for a new field of nano-optics: they have
    succeeded in controlling the coupling of light and matter at room
    temperature.
    Publishing in a journal like Science Advances usually heralds a
    particularly exciting innovation. Now, physicists from the
    Julius-Maximilians-Universität Würzburg (JMU) in Germany and Imperial
    College London in the UK are reporting controlled coupling of light and
    matter at room temperature.
    This achievement is particularly significant as it builds the
    foundations for a realization of practical photonic quantum
    technologies. Indeed, while many demonstrations of optical quantum
    processes require cryogenic temperatures to protect the quantum states,
    the present work elevates the quantum processes to room temperature and
    introduces controllability — both vital elements of quantum
    technologies such as quantum computers, which to a certain extent
    “calculate with light” and are conceivably many times more powerful than
    existing computers.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/03/180305093622.htm

    • Axil Axil

      The storage of light is what LENR is all about, The nano-resonator is the deuterium molecule that the diadisks build during the month of soaking. That hydrogen molecule can store light for months. That molecule has a will of its own and does not want to be controlled. This wild behavior is why LENR reactors meltdown.

      • georgehants

        Axil, the amount of light needed to meltdown a reactor would seem very large, a laser would need a high input, in these reactors is light being transformed from a material and then stored.

        • Axil Axil

          The light is converted into a very special type of magnetism called “chiral polarized”. Power is not required. Bacteria can produce this special magnetism and they use it to transmute matter.

  • georgehants

    ScienceAlert
    Even The Most Massive Objects in Space Are Ruled by Quantum Mechanics
    5 MAR 2018
    The foundation stone of quantum mechanics
    doesn’t just describe the behaviour of infinitesimal subatomic
    particles – it also governs the movement of the largest and most massive
    objects in the Universe, says a prominent astrophysicist.
    https://www.sciencealert.com/massive-astrophysical-objects-are-governed-by-schroedinger-s-equation-quantum-mechanics-disks

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP Hutchison sample 19 – ‘The Elbow’ – Left end close up

    https://youtu.be/shdx6ujDs0I

    Some close up images here.

    https://goo.gl/KF4yiZ

  • Bob Greenyer

    Twin Keys, showing evidence of the same effect

    This microscope video of keys, from an as-yet unknown source, was sent to us by someone that has been watching our recent videos.

    Attempting to establish what happened to them since they seem to show same effect at many levels.

    There is the crack with periodic ‘spheres’ in it, like observed in LION 2 quartz and fractal rings of spheres.

    Whatever happened to these keys looks to be the exact same process as Hutchison, ECCO, NOVA, LION

    https://youtu.be/nJdINE4a6d8

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/799b9f9e48301e217a44acaed340ecf6b0edc4b067d256e6a9fba49e93b93d5e.png
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c6c65a1245fcfeea0651ed6edfaa6281a5d73c824fec3ad8979540f79821aa67.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6700dc862c181e062cd4f0baa10ce6ebe18e7cc8e814de4764d7f3316e0561b9.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/34b3adc130e7f51ca71fb6da20fa42cc7038adebc19afadef62566ff436bd25e.jpg

    • Axil Axil

      It looks like the keys have been exposed to a high amperage arc discharge.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Maybe, that will create shoulders like effects – if that is the case, I REALLY want to have a look at samples from Mills – especially the molybdenum tube that was claimed to have vaporised.

        It is the shape of the spheres in the crack… that look identical others observed in LION 2 and the spheres around spheres that look most interesting to me.

        We may get better images by end of week and will seek to get access to the keys.

  • georgehants

    Morning Bob, any connection
    ———–
    Astrophysical disks described by fundamental equation in quantum mechanics
    While researching a region of quantum material science called bother
    hypothesis to perceive how it could scientifically speak to the powers
    in astrophysical plate advancement, clarifying how these huge items
    twist over ages, Batygin found something striking.
    In the hypothesis, an astrophysical circle can be displayed as a progression of
    concentric wires that gradually trade orbital rakish force among each
    other.
    Given the gigantic degree and size of these plates – and
    the stunning measure of planets, stars, and galactic structures
    contained inside them – it can get entirely intricate, and that is the
    point at which the demonstrating uncovered an astounding turn.
    “When we do this with all the material in a circle, we can get increasingly
    careful, speaking to the plate as an ever-bigger number of ever-more
    slender wires,” Batygin clarifies.
    “In the long run, you can inexact the quantity of wires in the circle to be unbounded, which
    enables you to scientifically obscure them together into a continuum.
    When I did this, amazingly, the Schrödinger condition rose in my
    estimations.”
    https://weekfacts.com/2018/03/astrophysical-disks-described-by-fundamental-equation-in-quantum-mechanics/

    • Bob Greenyer

      Maybe, the article is short and the topic diverse.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • georgehants

    Bob, in biological nature the DNA gives the fractal design, what in your realisation produces the design for these inanimate materials to follow?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Information

      • georgehants

        Ha, now of course I will be unkind, information from where and is it a purely a lucky mathematical process or do you detect an intelligence?

        • Bob Greenyer

          From everywhere, the DNA could be thought of as a cryptographic key

          • georgehants

            Bob, a cryptic answer, looks like we will have to wait for “O” day.
            Best

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – either in the main presentation or in AMAs afterwards.

  • georgehants

    By Advanced Science News
    Posted on March 6, 2018
    The study of topological matter is one of the fascinating main roads
    of modern physics. The realm of topological matter can be conventionally
    subdivided in two categories. First, non-trivial topology occurs due to
    a special geometry of structures or fields in real space, e.g., quantum
    rings, Möbius rings, multiterminal Josephson junctions, Skyrmions.
    Second, topologically protected surface/edge states governed by Dirac
    physics and/or topologically nontrivial electronic structure in the
    momentum space underlie Quantum Hall effect, topological insulators,
    superconductors, semimetals.
    https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/geometry-topology-controlled-nanoarchitectures-focussed-session/

  • Bruce__H

    If, just under your username near the top of the page, you see “Sort by Oldest” or “Sort by Best”, you should change it to “Sort by Newest”. This will put the newest posts at the top of the page and you won’t have to scroll past all the old ones anymore.

  • georgehants

    Musical Hemispheres, yes, very interesting Water Memory, another piece of Wonderful science blindly debunked and abused by sad science.
    All their conferences should be billed as comedy shows, excluding the Quantum boys and girls who are on top of their game.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is all related.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In response to a request by Martijn, Images were taken of the shredded PET bottle that stored sample 2 of ECCO fuel we got on our second trip to India.

    It has ‘spheres’ in arrangements that we are now becoming familiar with and damage patterns similar to those seen in the Quartz and other parts of the LION reactors. The active structures created in Hutchison, ECCO and LION are the same and act in the same broad ways that they can on materials they come in contact with.

    you can download the as-captured images here: https://goo.gl/1uxgQs

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d12a6979260c6c951237ca926ff79f1b6aa17c2c2d596973e8e90c54c3aad3a5.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ce9c1a10b63c159d77aeb4377b270d9faceab70051f13ba37f1a088413b8a5bb.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/662a1d93eeb7dfae216e3c1f4b0557a8e9e8eaabc4468de36f439d0188e0d30b.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bd3efaac782666e9c47fb776f9d5785c094a32fff778cf3fd9eb6e542de13e03.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c1045209f2f5802b884c9f37777502b2c251bc5d9e8451e88ccd04dce5ea35e7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13c07307432ea73e9f9e98056ad360ef29f298acf4558c454790b74c87a49caa.jpg

    • David_Kaiser_39

      it’s getting spooky here, really….

    • HAL9000

      Are the spheres the “active structures,” or do you believe that the spheres are the result of contact with “active structures?”

      • Bob Greenyer

        They have an intimate relationship – this relationship will be made crystal clear in ‘O Day’

      • HAL9000

        Can you tell if the images reveal spheres in the fuel residue adhering to the surface of the bottle shredding, or spheres in the PET bottle surface material? If this is not known, can you wash a bottle shredding with a solvent (saving the run-off) then re-examine to determine if the spheres are in fuel residue (run-off) or the bottle surface? The run-off fuel might be valuable for further testing.

        • Bob Greenyer

          This is a good test which I will endeavour to do after I have reported on transmutations in LION 2

    • Martijn

      Thanks for the pictures Bob! I need to take a closer look later, but there are similar ‘streamers’ away from a central point like you observed in Lion. They look a bit like crystals that have grown on the PET but they are actually in the polymer and not on the polymer, right?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes on and through the polymer. Please, don’t assume that it is from however.

        There are definite chemical effects – remember there was potassium carbonate was added – and it could be a strange radiation de-stabilisation of the polymer followed by chemical degradation. It was for this reason that I placed the PET cap over the whole fuel container to see if there was any effect at a distance – and there was – though there was nothing but air in contact with that polymer.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The observation of streamers was in ECCO fuel sample 2

        Unless you mean the streams/lines of balls – they are in both.

  • sam
  • georgehants

    Science
    Innsbruck (UIBK) – An Innsbruck team of experimental physicists, in
    collaboration with theorists from Innsbruck and Hannover, has for the
    first time observed so-called roton quasiparticles in a quantum gas.
    Empirically introduced by Landau to explain the bizarre properties of
    superfluid liquid Helium, these quasiparticles reflect an “energy
    softening” in the system as precursor of a crystallization instability.
    The new work published in Nature Physics demonstrate similar phenomena
    in the quantum-gas phase thanks to magnetic interactions, paving the way
    for a novel understanding of paradigmatic states of quantum fluids,
    such as supersolids.
    Discovered in liquid helium about 80 years ago, superfluidity is a
    counterintuitive phenomenon, in which quantum physics and particle-wave
    duality manifest at the macroscopic level. Since then, it has yielded
    many advances in understanding quantum matter, yet leaving mysterious
    some of its features. A hallmark of superfluidity is the existence of
    so-called “quasi-particles”, i.e. elementary excitations dressed by
    interactions.
    https://science.apa.at/site/politik_und_wirtschaft/detail?key=SCI_20180306_SCI39931359441065162

    • Stephen Taylor

      There seem to be many similarities to the “effect” or LENR in this article. Given another lifetime or two I might begin to understand some of this. In the interim, it’s fun trying!

      • georgehants

        Morning Stephan, yes good open competent science is “fun”, re. your lifetimes, the Evidence for reincarnation is getting stronger by the day so we all may have that chance to improve ourselves.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Max, I too am seeing Harmeins work as being central to whatever is going on here. Can you give us a link or guide to ” precision crystals which can concentrate vacuum energy” ? Thanks

  • Musical Hemispheres

    Well Max, Haramein has so far been the first new name for me in this saga. I had to search on him, triggered by Stephen Taylor’s post, and that certainly peeked my interest.
    It is so wonderful how we share all this fascinating stuff around here!

    • Max Nozin

      I prefer milesmathis.com . Both of them are shooting in the right direction assuming that quantum field is formed by particles but I believe niether one is completely right. Haramein just scratched the surface, in Mathis case photons are playing key role. It may never happen that two or more theories like that converge at some point creating true and one and only GUT.
      People at CERN suspect something is there but admit they can’t detect anything since their resolution is not small enough. They or their colleagues float things like sterile neutrino while keeping registering relatively stable collision fragments of baryons as new sub particles. This list may never stop growing.

  • Stephen

    You will like this one;)

    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43317566

    We are seeking hydroynamic vortexes here but deep down 3000km down the Hydrogen becomes liquified even a metal.

    At this point the vortexes are magneto hydrodynamic and their electric and magnetic fields interact. This is what is responsible for Jupiter’s magnetic field.

    Note the over all hexagonal shape is not to difficult to Saturns poles.

    I would not be surprised if deep down in the magneto hydrodynamic later some of those vortexes develop a similar YingYang nature to those noted by Bob and artefact.

    I wonder if LENR and transmutations are occurring there.

    It would be fascinating if some heavier elements are some how built in gas Giants like this.

    • georgehants

      Stephen, I think if anything is found outside of establishment preaching then all funding will immidiatly be stopped.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hmmm – what does it remind you of?

      It all works the same way. All of it.

      • HAL9000

        It reminds me of pizza with extra sauce (sorry it’s lunchtime). Some first impressions are not to be trusted.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Dammit – that’s made me real hungry now!

    • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes – except that is 6 not 8.

    The Meteorite is our most valuable and likely data rich Hutchison sample IMPO.

    When you understand how it formed – it tells you a lot about the process.

    This was NEVER IN A REACTOR, and was NOT in the ‘Active zone’ – it formed in the corner of the lab by a large capacitor – how? why?

    • georgehants

      Morning Bob, any connection to —–
      Nikola Tesla’s Idea of Wireless Transmission of Electrical Energy

      • Bob Greenyer

        Tangentially yes. Tesla, of course, is in ‘O Day’.

    • stuart

      Vibration can form this pattern with eight circles around a central shape…could this be true for six also? The first frequency is at 1033hz.
      https://youtu.be/wvJAgrUBF4w

      • Bob Greenyer

        Magneto hydrodynamics and sound

  • georgehants

    EurekAlert
    Public Release: 9-Mar-2018
    Mastering metastable matter
    Insight into metastability and avalanche dynamics in strongly correlated gases with long-range interactions
    As the trigger for that ‘tunnelling avalanche’ the team identified
    processes on the surface of the atomic gas. Comparing the experimental
    observations with a theoretical model, they determined that the
    switching timescale is set by interactions between the atoms themselves,
    rather by external control parameters. Central for that process to
    happen was the ability — pioneered by Esslinger’s group in earlier work
    — to let the atoms interact simultaneously over both short (atom-atom)
    and long distances, as to let the particles engage in the sort of
    intricate interplay that gives rise to intriguing properties in a broad
    variety of materials and, at the same time, to couple the surface of the
    system to its core.
    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-03/ezdo-mmm030918.php

  • HAL9000

    Image analysis upper right: pepperoni nucleus integrated into liquified cheese structure by convection radiation(baking), day one. Lower right: Same pepperoni transmuted by Brownian bacterial transport into syncytial spore-producing organisms (fungus), day five.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This time I have eaten a lot – I am immune to all your food and tasty fungus talk – ha!

  • Bob Greenyer

    option 2.

  • rob jones

    Viktor Schauberger–read about this gentlemen years ago, some of his thoughts seem to parallel Bobs. Interesting fella. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger Hope everyone is having a good weekend–is about time for a Yuengling lager. : – )

    • rob jones

      “Implosion is no invention in the conventional sense, but rather the
      renaissance of ancient knowledge, lost over the course of time.”

      • Bob Greenyer

        Could have said that myself!

        • georgehants

          Morning Bob, will “O” day shed any light on the old pyramid sharpening of razor blades prolonging food life etc.?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not aware of that – but when you get ‘O Day’ it will be easy to explain a lot of weird stuff.

          • Axil Axil

            IMHO, the road to LENR is through particle chirality. Every particle has a spin that is either right handed or left handed. This includes neutrinos.

            Neutrinos and magnetic fields: a short review

            All neutrinos are left handed because they are created through the weak force. Only left handed particles decay so left handed neutrinos are produced by this decay. Since the neutrino has mass, it must have a magnetic moment and therefore respond to or be affected by a magnetic field.

            If a chiral polarized magnetic field is generated, this field might confine neutrinos.

            The new field of science called spintronics is predicated on the control of particle chirality. It is a primary goal of spintronics to produce chiral polarized particles and fields. Also, chiral molecules are a major factor in organic chemistry since only left handed molecules are biologically active.

            Tying this stuff all together, it has been found that some rare earth element produce chiral effects in compound formulation. These elements include scandium, lanthanum, samarium, and lutetium complexes.

            The scandium/cobalt magnet produces a chiral magnetic field due to the chiral nature of scandium. The SmCo5 magnet is known to be LENR reactive. It is used by Dr. Dennis Cravens to produce low level LENR effects. Cravens remarked that he always adds rare earths to his LENR fuel because he found them to be effective.

            The SPP is LENR active because it produces a chiral polarized magnetic field. In detail, the SPP is comprised of two counter rotating polariiton currents that generate a powerful polarized magnetic flux tube that connects these currents.This flux tube will destabilized nuclear matter by upsetting the chiral balance of the fields and particles inside nucleons. This magnetic field produces chiral instability inside protons and neutrons related to quarks, gluons and interquark magnetic flux tubes.

          • HAL9000

            Chemical deterioration of food both require (bacterial) energy and liberates energy, as noted by any user of composting. The pyramid structure (if it works) apparently disrupts the normal flow of energy in the space that it hosts, slowing food spoilage. If a macro geometric structure can disrupt the flow of energy there is likely geometry that can reinforce energy flow. Add a sub-atomic resonator (similar to a LASER or MASER) and you might get a PASER (Power Amplication by Stimulated Emission of Radiation).

  • Rene

    How goes O?

    • PhysicsForDummies

      “O” is past its’ expiration date. It has been recalled by the FDA.
      Either that or it will be released in May. Wait for it…
      May O day.

      • Rene

        O well, I was hoping for a straight answer from Bob. I guess it’s time for poetry.

        From Space Child’s Mother Goose:
        Probable-Possible, my black hen,
        She lays eggs in the Relative When.
        She doesn’t lay eggs in the Positive Now
        Because she’s unable to Postulate How.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Hi Rene,

          It is tough working month after month for basically nothing, in the last 6 months I have received £340 before fees from 4 donors, for which I am very appreciative, especially because this paid for my house boiler servicing and the addition of a condensate pump so my family has been warm over the winter. I am helping my partner with her food window we opened on the 8th January and that also involves me doing childcare for half the day which really eats into my time, but I do enjoy it!

          I have some animations and 3D modelling still to do and I am waiting on one important piece of data back from a field researcher. I am also doing what I can, as I can to get out the data on experiments in an easily digestible form.

          I hope to get out another huge clue today

          O day is coming…

          • georgehants

            Just chat, we managed to finance a new thatch roof last year for the school we support in Ghana, last week some fool neighbor lit a fire close to the school and completely burnt it out so we are back to square one. (Tiles this time)
            Find your et al work so important and your (Lion etc.) sharing that we would like to donate another $100 to you personally, please put up link again as I am to lazy to find it.
            Best George Jackie.

          • Bob Greenyer

            That is so frustrating – at least they had it for a year.

            Your offer is very kind and will please my partner, my link is

            https://www.gofundme.com/BobGreenyer

            Thanks in advance.

          • suhas R

            hi Bob
            This probably is the story of lot of Individual researchers
            For Info of many readers of these posts who had expressed doubt about my bank story you had put in the post I have sold all my assets and paid off all my bank loans which had resulted from my LENR work.
            I am not unhappy about that as I followed what I observed, but the Irony is my original Tech of Ultrasonic frequency plasma and ultrasonic Resonance in metals that produced heat led me to this work is recognised by CIIE for funding last week some eight years after first approaching them in sept 2010
            Thanks for all the attention friends
            Suhas Ralkar

          • Stephen

            That’s great news. Good luck with this now. It sound like your work is finally being taken seriously and you have no more burdens in the way.

            All the best with this research. I hope you can continue with LENR in someway too. And continue to share what you can with us. There is an amazing LENR research team developing under MFMP now that LION has joined which is fast getting to grips with the data, science and processes. Which is greatly needed.

            Great News.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Dear Suhas,

            I understand… in pursuing this work, I closed down my business in India, gave my equipment to my staff so they could continue to work (which they do) and had to leave so much behind – what has not left me behind is some residual debt that I used to keep it going. Ho Hum. One thing I know is what my father told me, ‘you cannot take it with you when you go.’

            I worked hard, unpaid and often away from my family, for a good proportion of the last year to promote your work and still do analysing in detail your fuel, knowing full well that it was emitting strange radiation. Just yesterday I was analysing optical microscopy images of the second fuel sample.

            Whilst it is a shame that you were not ready to accept the over $1.14m of support + extras pledged by this community last year, I am satisfied that the MFMPs work, funded by this community for the common good, may have contributed in some small way to you receiving funding that you are happy to accept. I hope the funding you have recieved does not prevent you from being open in the future.

            Good luck on the road ahead.

          • Charlie tapp

            Why worry about him being open you,me356,bullion,blacklight,that old guy we used to follow Rossi. None of these people are open. Hurry up bob greenyer you are turning into them!

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am not. I will not. I am working hard.

            Today was a productive day. I will work this evening. Hopefully I can put out part two of the potential transmutation data from LION and I am liking what you will soon see.

            When ‘O Day’ comes – you will understand. I will not keep it to myself. Nor can I as the contingencies are in place.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Will you be on the campus?

            http://www.ciie.co/

          • Pink Panther

            March 23rd – seems like a good day to announce O. 🙂

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes, yes it does.

      • Bob Greenyer

        O day will never have an expiry date.

    • Mylan

      Would be nice to get an update, as a while ago it seemed like a matter of just a few days.
      Also, when are the LION replications about to start?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Alan Goldwater has finished calibration and is planning for a 28th start. He has enough disks prepared for short turn-around follow on.

  • georgehants

    From different windows
    Ashwin Sanghi says our ancient seers were getting at
    the same phenomena as quantum physicists — one through perception while
    the other with experimentation
    http://www.thehindu.com/books/books-authors/from-different-windows/article23199399.ece

  • Bob Greenyer

    I shall have a look – do you have specific links?

    • stuart

      As musical hemispheres rightly says, very broad but interesting nether the less.
      https://youtu.be/FHd515esLj4

      • Bob Greenyer

        This guy appears to be far more well read than I and has come from a different angle to some similar correlations however, my realisation was lead by physical data observed in many experiments spanning many decades that predicted things that then appeared in other physical data (some only subsequently available) and the net result was something that correlated to some aspects that Johan is referring to and additional ones.

        I feel that time viewing this presentation of Dr. Johan Oldenkamp’s will be helpful for those wanting to get ‘O Day’ on first pass. He does cover a lot of ground and push things into his perspective – but some of that ground will help interpretation of the central concept in ‘O Day’

  • Bob Greenyer

    For many elements it will be easier to mine them, despite Suhas Ralkar’s fuel processing system producing %ages of Niobium – it did not readily produce tantalum, so mining Coltan will still be providing income to families.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3280872/iPhone-mineral-miners-Africa-use-bare-hands-coltan.html

    However, for some elements that have high value and can be targetted easily it will be cost effective in time – as understanding grows, more elements will be targetted.

    In environmental terms it could be a huge bonus.

    The mining industry would be advised to invest in development of the technology.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Don’t worry about death.

  • Bob Greenyer

    If you a happy to help me, that would be very much appreciated, then follow this link

    https://www.gofundme.com/BobGreenyer

  • Musical Hemispheres

    Not all the way through yet, but very, very interesting!! Not only the Kenneth Shoulders content. Thank you again, Stuart!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Similar if it is connected to the ‘vacuum’

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    You may be right.

    As I said in the video – this steemit/video was a breakout from the one I hope to get finished today (as I would like to refer / link to this steemit in many presentations in the future).

    I am struggling with a terrible cold.

    I think the next work parcel has good value.

    • Musical Hemispheres

      All the best then, Bob! Said the man who was grounded with the flu… 🙁

    • HAL9000

      I hope you feel better. Brew a nice cup’o tea on the LION. Add a splash of Irish whiskey for a happier recovery 🙂

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