E-Cat is ‘Not a Miracle’

I found an exchange between Gerard McEk and Andrea Rossi on the subject of the E-Cat as a quite interesting and thought provoking.

Gerard wrote:

Wouldn’t you agree that, assuming that people are indeed the cause of the change in climate by burning fossile fuel, the Ecat IS the short term solution?
If you have earned enough money, in the coming years, please give the design and know-how to humanity, so it can be developed much more quickly than you and your team can do, just to save the world!

Andrea Rossi

Gerard McEk:
Thank you for your suggestion.
The global warming has much more complex origins and the Ecat is not a miraculous device.
It will be useful, for sure.
Warm Regards
A.R.

Gerard McEk

Dear Andrea,
I do not understand why you are saying that the Ecat is not a miracle. If it does do what you have been showing, then it is a miracle, at least in the eyes of 95% of the nuclear physists. Can you explain this, please?Andrea Rossi

Gerard McEk:
The Ecat is not a miracle, it is the product of a team that is working very, very hard that soon will enter the market.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

 

From Rossi’s point of view, I think I can understand why he considers it not to be miraculous, and from Gerard’s point of view, I can see why he thinks it is.

Rossi has been working with the E-Cat so closely and for so long that I would think for him it is a practical engineering project that has commercial applications. For the rest of us, it’s something that could well seem entirely miraculous. It reminds me of Arthur C. Clarke’s famous adage: “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic”.

From one perspective we live in an age of miracles. To someone living just 200 years ago, technologies that are commonplace now, such as electricity, transportation, aviation, telecommunications, computing, Internet, space travel, medicine, etc. would be unbelievable. Yet here they are, and most of the time we take them for granted.

From another perspective, these developments have been produced by people like Rossi, inventors and engineers who have had the intuition or inspiration to pursue an idea to make progress in a certain field, and with practical application and hard work have brought something new into reality. The inventors and discoverers often won’t consider themselves to be miracle workers, they simply are pursuing a practical goal.

But for people like me, I think there is something miraculous and awe-inspiring about it all.

  • malkom700

    The use of the invention depends not only on the inventor, it is a big question whether it will be used in geoengineering, for example.

  • georgehants

    Agreeing with the Fact that all progress is good if utilised for everybody equally, I think Gerard’s first point puts him into a different class of person to the majority of sad people in this World and would have made a much more important topic for this page.
    ———-
    “If you have earned enough money, in the coming years, please give the
    design and know-how to humanity, so it can be developed much more
    quickly.”
    ———-
    It would be far more sane if Rossi and everybody where to be rewarded fairly by society and all discoveries immidiatly shared for the benefit of all of Humanity.
    There has been technological progress which is inevitable with time, but the miracle is the reality that we inhabit.
    Socially we are still in the stone age and that is probably a bad example as we do not know how caring and sharing those people where, but I would be very surprised if they where not more advanced than us.

    • theBuckWheat

      The issue of money touches on the control over a technology that is protected by government issued patent monopoly. That will eventually expire and the device will become freely available in time. Rossi is welcome to optimize his wealth. If his device performs as he claims, its benefits to humanity are so great that he will have earned a place with the great inventors.

      • georgehants

        Buck, so agree with your points, do you not agree that they all point to a system that is ridiculous.
        That is my point only Rossi et al should be rewarded for his brilliance and work (if genuine) and from there all of humanity should benefit equally.
        The present SYSTEM is to a intelligent and caring mind, is incompetent, corrupt and logically pathetic.
        Humans can do much better, one would think.

        • HS61AF91

          Sadly our congressional members are driven more by incumbency, acquiring funds for the next campaign, than altruism. What the summary shows is the realization of this playing out. Getting anything else our of our Legislature is butting up the camel, to squeeze through the eye of a needle. Encouraging great people to succeed in providing more economical energy, despite government policy, is a way to overcome some day. (criticize as I may, it’s still my government, right or wrong, and I would not have any other – better make that clear!).

          • greggoble

            I suppose Humanity is the Camel which is being squeezed through the Eye of the Needle. What will come out the other side? A better Humanity I Suppose.

          • HS61AF91

            well, actually I meant Congress passing legislation to benefit all of humanity is harder than them squeezing through the eye of a needle; because they are beholden to lobbying rewards. A better humanity would result, if they could..

  • greggoble

    Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) – Sustainable and Green Energy: A Review https://www.scientific.net/AMM.819.507

    Info:

    Periodical: Applied Mechanics and Materials (Volume 819)
    Main Theme: Advances in Heat Transfer, Flow Engineering and Energy Installations

    Edited by: Mazlan Abdul Wahid, Syahrullail Samion, Aminuddin Saat, Nor Azwadi Che Sidik, Normah M. Ghazali, Nazri Kamsah, Azhar A. Aziz, Farid N. Ani, Haslinda M. Kamar and Mohsin Sies

    Pages: 507-511
    DOI: https://doi.org/10.4028/www.scientific.net/AMM.819.507
    Citation: M. Z. Akhter and M. A. Hassan, “Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) – Sustainable and Green Energy: A Review”, Applied Mechanics and Materials, Vol. 819, pp. 507-511, 2016

    Online since: January 2016
    Authors: Md Zishan Akhter, M. Ashique Hassan *

  • All miraculous findings the principle of which has been guarded in strict secrecy disappeared in the past together with their inventors.

    A. Rossi is on the best way to follow their destiny too. Those who cannot learn from the history are condemned to repeat it.

  • theBuckWheat

    The problem at this very moment with any attempt to commercialize the Rossi device is exactly because the physics have not been completely understood. This means that it’s behavior can only be evaluated for safety through experiencing its operation over enough time. This will require thousands of devices being operated for thousands of hours each.

    I certainly am cheering Rossi and his team on. His device promises to positively improve life for humanity. I await the evioronmentalists to show their true ideology by how they will object to it and LENR in general. To be able to generate useful amounts of energy without the use of combustion of hydrocarbons or by use of ionizing radiation is an advance that conventional science has not anticipated. In that aspect the Rossi device is a miracle.

  • Dr. Mike

    I would have to agree with Rossi that there is no miracle involved with the development of LENR technology. Advances made thus far and into the future are/will be the result of hard work investigating the physics behind the phenomena and learning how to use the knowledge gained. I certainly disagree with Gerard’s statement: “If it does do what you have been showing, then it is a miracle” since Rossi has not yet “shown” that he has achieved a system COP sufficient to commercialize the technology. Perhaps by the end of this year Rossi will be able to “show” results that some might consider to be a miracle.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I thought the question was condescending and the expectation of acquiescence presumptuous.
      As if Dottore Rossi had found the device fallen off the back of a turnip truck, and should hand it over to anyone who should ask.

      You can feel the sense of entitlement crackle in the air.

      • Gerard McEk

        It was not meant to be condescending. I do have a lot of esteem for Rossi’s hard work and I do believe he should be awarded and rewarded for it, if it really works.
        But why do you want more money then you can ever use before you die?
        The real reward comes when humanity is given a way out of the pod of climate change!
        I hope Andrea realizes that the Ecat may be the key for a prosperous famine-less world.

        • HS61AF91

          I don’t like to observe the fact that there are numerous people in this world who would do anything, by hook or crook, to acquire more money that they could ever use before they die, maybe due to human dominating compulsions. Whatever reason, these are the culprits that hinder building the prosperous famine-less world we all desire. Just doing what the Doctor’s team does makes a difference. Providence, and their drive to succeed, will determine how much.

          • greggoble

            Absolutely brilliant…

            Quote

            “Just doing what the Doctor’s team does makes a difference. Providence, and their drive to succeed, will determine how much.”

            end quote

            Wrapping my mind around this…

            I’ll see where it leads.

      • greggoble

        Discovery leads to something beyond entitlement. The road to discovery has quite a few paths, some high and some low down and rotten… don’t step in the bog, quicksand or the what-not of what-ifs. Still the rewards come to us all, inevitably…

  • For example ECat technology is apparently superseded by Quark-X reactor even for A. Rossi – so why not to release it for public? One of reason of PC success at the market was its open policy applied by IBM.

    • greggoble

      Soon you will experience the same… The market is HUGE and open policy/standardization and industry cooperation will ‘rule the day’… so to speak.

      • /* The PC was the driver for success, not IBM */

        If the IBM wouldn’t release patents, then the PC would end in similar way, like Atari or ZX

  • greggoble

    Upon further consideration I resonate with Gerard McEk.

    ‘Cold Fusion, Space Travel, International Financial Clearing & Wild Strawberries’

    by Elaine Diane Taylor – singersongwriter | gold | social commentary

    https://elainedianetaylor.com/cold-fushion-space-travel-international-financial-clearing-wild-strawberries/

    “I witnessed a coup d’etat done by deception. Orwell predicted we would be watched and ruled, but Huxley may have had it right that there is more power in making those ruled believe they want something that in fact harms them, to follow an internal police, to be so distracted and afraid of a story that they miss the whispers. Or miss the clause that says they can leave…”

    “Mainstream media yells its messages to conform to a code of conduct around the clock, making it hard to decode back-room banker passes or science passes or technology passes. Facts are covered by loud stories… ”

    “A golden age is coming with new technology. I cover these topics in music and in this blog. LENR and torsion and stem cells and harnessing the sun and space travel. The ones with the power are jostling for their place before new technology is released to the masses and we see who wins. It’s the game of Coins and Crowns. Trade deals and financial clearing systems. Lots of yelling and lots of whispering. The corporation is the new nation. So much deception to try to win power…”

    “A lot of bumping is going on and a lot more bumping is to come…”

    • Musical Hemispheres

      Thank you Greg for this link. This specific post by E. D. Taylor reveals an amazing ability to express in poetic words very fundamental issues. Really touched me.
      And it’s worth while to explore the rest of her work. Listened to one song and I like her playing and singing as well.

      • greggoble

        Yes… I agree with her sentiments and feel more are aware of emergent LENR than most of us realize. Be well…

    • causal observer

      Needs more hard-nosed systems analysis of social-psychological phenomena to identify the action points. Focusing analytic brainpower solely on technology is like looking under the streetlight because that’s where the light is. The first question to pursue in the analysis of social-psychological behavior is “why do regular intelligent people not apply common sense analysis to social-psychological behavior?” The answer is that they don’t like the answers. “And the beat goes on…”

  • Arthur Clarke used to say, “Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.” Cold Fusion, aka lenr for the timid, has been such an advanced technology for nearly 30 years. The spin masters who oppose it have gleefully spun all conversations of it into being either a ‘miracle or magic’ of course with the intent to use the apparent corollary that it is not at all true. As it turns our cold fusion is a part of nature, nothing so special once one gets to understand how to see it and create it. It may seem most like a secretive rare bird for many, but in fact it is more like a mountain sometimes shrouded in clouds.

    It is utterly simple to create the ecology in which the atoms invovled in cold fusion will engage and perform in myriad dances. Rossi is one of a small number who has been an ‘naturalist’ in the exploration of this atom-ecology, learning what environmental conditions it likes. Very soon it will be revealed that nothing in practical cold fusion energy technology is more complex that what is contained insde a typical light bulb. With this the world will truly have clean energy that is too cheap to meter. The magic has become technology. Welcome to the end of the fossil fool age.

  • LarryJ

    There are powerful vested interests arrayed against this new fire. To bring it to light and ensure that it does not get buried for decades again will require a lot of money from investors and investors demand high returns on risky investments.

    Rossi is not a young man and being known the man who possibly saved the planet, ushered in the cheap energy era and maybe even a Nobel prize is no doubt more important to him than the money. He’s already a millionaire. He has said before that he is on a mission from his god and he will do whatever he thinks is practical and necessary to bring this tech to the world. What may appear as greed can be practical necessity. I am happy that he is in charge and not one of those who’ve tried to take it from him.

  • sam

    Kevin Crase
    May 25, 2018 at 7:12 PM
    Are the measurements of the power of the Ecats taken both with calorimetry and spectrometry?
    Thanks,
    Kevin

    Andrea Rossi
    May 25, 2018 at 10:29 PM
    Kevin Crase:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    Rupert
    May 25, 2018 at 7:56 PM
    Dear Andrea:
    Is the test with the Ecat SK on course in the USA?

    Andrea Rossi

    May 25, 2018 at 10:26 PM

    Rupert:
    Yes,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Vinney

    ‘il Dottore’ is already claimed by another famous Rossi (possibly registered trademark) namely, Valentino Rossi.
    She is trying to create a good nickname and having some fun.
    When do ‘nicknames’ have to be grammatically correct.
    Lighten up, I think ‘Dottore Rossi’ might stick

  • sam

    Jean Paul Renoir
    May 26, 2018 at 8:57 PM
    How has gone the test with the SK? Should have been completed now, based on what you said yesterday.
    Thanks if you can answer,
    JPR
    Andrea Rossi
    May 27, 2018 at 8:23 AM
    Jean Paul Renoir:

    The test with the Ecat SK has been completed minutes ago and has gone
    very well. Some problems remain to be assessed, but we are very
    satisfied, because the major problems have been resolved.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Nelson Vogel

    Probably, Big Oil black hats are celebrating the heat selling black box strategy revelation, rising world´s oil prices with huge profit. They are probably looking carefully what is going on about LENR development, maybe be in negotiation to introduce it slowly into the market, or maybe never. They did it in 1989, with F&P, they did it with Nicola Tesla, and may do it it again with anyone that threats their business. Like many here, I am very disappointed with this strategy, supplying just heat for unknown customers, from secret locations, with units that will never be shown. Smells that will take decades to we see an E-Cat home unit, or maybe only when men colonize Mars. Big Oil triumphs again, and we will keep burning fossil fuel for decades, until all the wells dries. I was waiting for years the E-Cat launch in the market, instead of having solar photo-voltaic power supply at home. Very sad end of the cat for humanity !

  • Axil Axil

    http://bigthink.com/philip-perry/the-electron-ion-collider-will-unravel-some-of-sciences-greatest-mysteries

    The Electron-Ion Collider will unravel some of science’s greatest mysteries

    The electron ion collider is where science will explore what is going on in the LENR reaction. CEBAF AT JEFFERSON LAB has been studying the behavior of the insides of protons and neutrons for the last 15 years. This lab has uncovered many of the mysteries about particle chirality which forms the basis of the LENR reaction. This new upgrade to the power and resolution of the chiral particle Collider will resolve why LENR behaves as it does. We cannot understand about how LENR works without understanding what keeps matter together, for it is LENR that rips matter apart. Why does the LENR reaction cause protons and neutrons to decompose? That search is what will be the purpose of this new collider upgrade. The deepest and most profound mysteries that is LENR is soon to be revealed.

  • Axil Axil

    Clark May 27, 2018 at 8:51 PM
    Dear Andrea Rossi:

    Can you describe some particular phase that made you tremble during the Ecat SK test?

    Andrea Rossi May 27, 2018 at 10:14 PM
    Clark:

    we had to protect ourselves behind a grade 14 glass because looking at the light radiated by the SK could damage seriously the eyes. Few seconds after the turn on of the reactor the heat radiated from the Ecat SK broke the 14 protection glass. We had supplementary 14 protection masks. Nonetheless, I saw from that minuscule reactor exit a tremendously dazzling white light all around the laboratory and I will never forget this impression. The SK was born. I think we will make it useful. Many errors emerged, but now we work to correct them, the most difficult part has been resolved.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    It sounds like Rossi has duplicated the SunCell, and all in the same packaging as the QX. That power density to size ratio will be hard for the competition to beat. The muon flux out of that SK reactor might be so dense that someone could swim in it. With all that power density, how long can the fuel source last? I have not thought it possible for light to be able to break glass. The transparent structural material used to house the LENR reaction must be some tough stuff. How can the electrodes stand up under all that power density?

    • Gerard McEk

      I think it is a miracle!

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