Piantelli Presents Nickel-Hydrogen LENR Research Data in Siena, Italy — 20W In, 71W Out

At The International Society for Condensed Matter Nuclear Science (ISCMNS) in Siena Italy, Italian biophysicist Francesco Piantelli of the University of Siena, and researcher in the field of Nickel-Hydrogen reactions presented some of his research data to the conference. His slide show can be seen here.

Piantelli was involved with nickel-hydrogen LENR long before Andrea Rossi, and for a time Sergio Focardi worked with him. The data presented at the conference shows a reaction in which a significant amount of excess energy is produced from his reaction.

The concluding slide in the presentation sums up the results of Piantelli’s research:

“*We are very close to the auto-sustenance (less than 20W introduced and 71W produced = 91 W)(t=260 C)=> We want to evaluate the possibility to increase the produced power to 100W

“**We have seen that the energy produced can be obtained between 200 degrees C and 400 degrees C.=> We want to evaluate the best temperature interval inside that region.

“***We want to evaluate the effect of a magnetic field on the absorption and on the primer of the energy emission.

“****We have indication that the phenomenon takes place at the surface of the sample; we have seen in previous experiments a transmutation effect.=>We want to evaluate the residue by means of SEM-EDAX and SIMS technique”

While working with smaller amounts of power scale than what Rossi is apparently using, Piantelli’s research shows some very interesting and significant results. We have yet another serious researcher describing how excess energy can be produced by means of a nickel-hydrogen reaction. Piantelli has started a company, Nichenergy, which may prove to be a significant competitor to Rossi’s Leonardo Corporation and Defkalion Green Technologies.

  • Ivan Mohorovicic

    His slide show can be seen here

    Page not found.

  • admin

    Sorry, Ivan. Link is fixed now.

  • AstralProjectee

    Does someone understand what those numbers mean?


    • Kim

      1 unit of electricity in.

      3.5 units of electricity out.


      • Kim

        At 260 C.

        Pump water in, hot water out.

        Fill 500 gallon insulated tank with hot

        Shut unit off.

        Heat house for rest of the night with circulation of hot water.

        I hate to complicate things.


        • Barry

          Thanks Kim. Great summation.

        • Peter Hunt

          If that is all you want use a heat pump and the cool air outside. A COP of 3.5 is simple.

          • no not so simple. heat pump need good outside temperature. when cold heatpump cannot work well.
            no need of cooling circuit for LENR. independent of temperature.

            alos the cost is to be compared. hyperion is much cheaper.

      • Ramo

        So how exactly did Pianelli convert the output heat into electricity?

        • he did not. wrong information. see below.

      • not electricity out, heat out.

        note that in his paper he reports a periode wher this COP happens, but not all along.
        Anyway his experiments were not about energy production but understanding of material property.

        As he says the characteristic of the nickel is not yet optimized for heat production.

        note that with a COP>>3, and some more insulation and controlled cooling, you could increase the COP as far as needed.

        I detail :
        in the initial COP~3, you heat a little to mailtain the reaction, and not too much not to melt. design an electronic controller to stabilize the temperature and power like you need.

        then call an engineer, and insulate nearly perfectly your reactor. then it will heat up to melting. bad.
        then call another engineer and add cooling circuits controlled by various fluid valves.
        to explain it to a kid I would say: take your old electronic controller, but cable it differently. instead of injecting electricity in a resistor to heat, just stop the cooling a little.
        instead of stopping the heating, start the cooling…

        in fact it is a little more complicated because you can only heat enough if the reaction is working a little. you have to know when it will still heat. but is the reactor is not far from self sustain, it works same as resistor.
        you might have to add more sensors to check the heat output (the defkalion embeded “calorimeter” in the fluid circuit) so you can know what happens in the reactor…
        anyway ask you engineers, it’s their job.

        so yes, a stable COP>1 with temperature activation mean that with good engineers, you can have a self sustain reactor, that only consume a little energy for starter heater, and then a little for pump and electronics.

        stable reaction COP>1, temperature triggered, producing heat
        Insulation to reach trigger temperature
        controlled cooling to avoid burnout
        nearly auto-sustain, COP>>>1

        NB: this does not work with electrolysis, which need a high COP, especially if the temperature is low

      • Carmania

        No. Should be:

        1 unit of heat in.

        3.5 units of heat out.

        He uses electricity to heat because it’s convenient. He could use gas, petrol, coal or whatever.

    • Robert Mockan

      The electric power in does not make the reaction go. It is used to heat the reactor, and keep the reactor at operating temperature. The power out is in addition to the power in. This means Piantelli has a self sustaining reaction, and the power in can be reduced to zero by insulating the reactor.
      The comment about best temperature has to do with determining the highest temperature the nuclear active material can withstand before the nuclear activity is damaged or destroyed by the thermal energy. Using a nickel alloy more resistant to the deteriorating effects of the nuclear activity should enable operation at the higher temperature compared to pure nickel.
      When these reactors are made many meters long, and meters to a side, containing hundreds of kilograms of activated nuclear active nickel alloy sheets, then we will have reactors able to generate 10s to 100s of megawatts of thermal power.
      Good work Piantelli!

      • D The Designer

        Please include a photo off your face not your portrait that will look so much better
        You seem to be a nice person I would like to see your face too.
        thank you
        good day

        • Robert Mockan

          LOL! The avatar image is “not Spock” from an episode of Star Trek where the Enterprise crew gets transported to an alternate universe, where the Federation was a government tyranny, without a social contract with citizens to preserve natural rights. Instead, other worlds were exploited and entire civilizations destroyed if they resisted the Empire. There was no “prime directive”. The Spock of that alternate universe was still logical, but by necessity adapted to the demands of the Empire. And yet, the conclusion of the episode revealed that alternate universe Spock might consider alleviating the atrocities of the Empire, perhaps even deciding to destroy it, because, fundamentally, tyranny is illogical. Of course it was just a science fiction TV show. I prefer to keep the “portrait”. I’m just an old guy with lots of time on his hands, and my mug would not win any beauty pageants.

      • Zalaz

        Robert, your thinking is much clearer than most. As you know, it would not be difficult to make an insulated Piantelli type experiment. Have you done this?

  • daniel maris

    I’m glad you’ve made this a separate article. I think this is the most significant milestone on the LENR road since the revelation of the NASA patent following Zawodny’s video.

    The slide show is really v. detailed and v. convincing in its detail.

    Astral –

    There is basically a huge energy gain – 70 plus watts over 45 I think it was. It’s significant because this guy is v. credible and he has presented a lot of detail. It’s also significant because he is talking of tens of watts not milliwatts – when you have that much energy it’s much more difficult to make a mistake in your measurements – with milliwatts you are always going to be concerned about contamination etc.

  • dsm

    Piantell is the quiet dedicated researcher in who I for one place great trust. He is not a showman like Rossi.
    The interesting thing to me is that those charts reflect work Piantell was doing in 2008. So why none from 2011 or 2012 ?.
    But, Piantelli filed 2 patents in 2011


    The 2nd may be an update of the 1st – my *hope* is that his NicHenergy company has made some really good progress and he is getting that cemented in a filing.


  • Ivan Cevallos

    350% over the input power, so why Piantelly says we close to selft sustaining? If the effect is caused by heating then the heat out should be enougth to cause self sustaining. please some one let me know what I am missing, 50 watts gain is huge, you could ligth you house using LEDs.
    Piantelly please have all my gratitude…Thanks!!!!

    • Free Thinker

      I think the meaning of “self-sustaining” is that the reaction will go on and generate heat without any electric input power at all.

      The electric input power is to the largest part a matter of heating the reactor core to a temperature conducive to the LENR process. When the process is up and running it will generate its own heat, enough to keep it in “sustained mode”.

    • Peter Hunt

      The need for electric output may rest on the control issue. The self sustaining phase may be provided by the internal heat itself but as Craven has noted some stimulus other than heat may be advantageous for control purposes.

      Without a controlled heat bleeder, the chance of runaways seem to be a problem. Some electrical output may be accessed from thermionics in sufficient quantity for the control system.

  • s

    I can’t access the website, so can someone post the following three value?

    1) total electrical energy input. ( not instantaneous power but total energy over time)

    2) total energy output. Same criteria as above

    3) Form of output energy. Meaning was output energy electricity or heat?

    The following calculations are hypothetical and not to be taken as fact. If output energy was heat, then you have to divide it by the efficiency of heat to electrical conversion, usually about 3.3. So, 90/20 =4.5 divided by 3.3 = 1.36. So, taking energy conversion into account, the excess power was about 7 watts if the experiment had the usual electricity in to heat out setup.

    The other question is about scale up. Is it possible to scale this up to 1000W or more? If so, why does it seem to possibly be taking so long?

    • Carmania

      What? Have you followed the e-cat story for two days? Of course the energy output is thermal (heat).

      • s

        Did you read the previous posts? A poster stated it was electricity in and electricity out. Since I can’t access the document, I needed to have the energy type verified.

        • jl

          The numbers does not caremuch. What is important is that real net energy is produced by fusion reaction.In this case this results confirms that cold fusion is a real phenomenon

        • Kim

          I meant 1 thermal unit in
          3.5 thermal units out.


        • Ged

          It is only ever thermal. Electrical by this system can only be made by coupling thermal (steam) with a turbine.

          • Peter Hunt

            The use of turbine may be suboptimal when Sterling Engines are simpler and less costly. In this lower temp range they are likely to be more efficient depending on design,materials and and working fluid choices.

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  • Kim

    Should have read thermal units in.
    thermal units out…ect…

    I was not paying attention.

    I may add that I am not to concerned about electricity at this time.


    Free thermal energy is fine

    The good stuff will come later with refinement
    of science.

    Respect Kim

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      nov1-apr.30=792kwhrs + 792kwhrs(stored)
      daily heat supplied 9.9kwhrs.
      supplemental electricity from grid if needed

      home 10mx10mx3m
      Q=UxAxtemp diff, in to out
      U aver=1/r r=12, =0.09
      20c in, -20c out=40c diff.
      0.09x320m2x40c=1152w/hr loss at -20 (time of -20, 24hrsx60days)jan,feb,
      0.09x320m2x30c=840w/hr loss at -15 (time of -15c, 24hrsx60days)dec,mar.
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      this is a rough estimate for 3.5in walls.

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      10mx3m=30m2x1000w/m2=3kw/sec of heat.
      r value of 10mx3m wall increases, air space and radiant heat from sun. once light hits the wall, it becomes pos gain and looses no heat, store heat in water in the solarium to keep the gain as long as possible.
      night, rvalue of 30m2 wall is increased, dead air space. u will save atleast 1/2 of u heating cost with a $500 solarium.
      solarium will supplement needed heat during the winter heating season.
      at worse, might need a few kwhrs for 60 days, at $0.20/kwhrx10hrs/day=$2/dayx60=$120 for winter heat.
      if ur mean jan,feb temp r -15c, u will have no problem.
      rossi charges $20 for nickel.
      $120-$20=$100/365days=$0.28/day supplemental electric heat.
      build a tracker for $100 and u zero out u heating cost.
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  • Charles Ponzi presents Carbon-Oxygen LENR data. Flick of the wrist and a match In. Lots of watts of heat Out. You just need a stack of dry wood or charcoal and some newspapers.

    Am I a genius or what?

    • GreenWin

      No Charles.

      • Ramo

        GreenWin, I’ve seen you posting here and elsewhere, and I sometimes you are a thorn in the … But this comment disarmed me! LOL

        • Didn’t disarm me. I said just as much as Piantelli. Not more. Not less. The output of more heat/energy than input in and of itself is not proof of cold fusion = LENR.

          • Ramo

            Charles, I totally agree with the merrit of your comment. It’s just that you presented it in a certain way that made GreenWin burst with a flash of humor. Sarcastic, but funny. I could not resist. Don’t take it personally, it was just funny, that’s all.

          • Ramo

            And he still is a thorn most of the time…

          • GreenWin

            Thanks Ramo. Charles earns his surname by virtue of his commentary.

            We are thorn AND Androcles to an insightful lion.

  • GreenWin

    As more data confirming LENR and Pons Fleischmman rolls in – we note less pronouncements from American experimenters. Looks like the US DOE and Navy will have turned over commercialization of LENR to Europeans. A long way from the glory NASA days.

    But it is certainly encouraging to see Piantelli publicly discussing his work. You can be SURE he will not disclose ALL he has learned – since he is making a commercial venture out of it!!

    That is MORE good news! Bravo.

    • s

      The reason the news media is more silent is because the “fantistic” results are still in the watt level power range after 23+ years of work. Sure, Rossi and others claim kW level power output, but no independent tests results, as far as I can tell, have been published for kW level LENR. The question is whether anyone can scale this up to work stable in the Kw power range? Or will we continue to see limited, carefully controlled demonstrations that might be designed to not show any possible stability problems?

      • daniel maris

        If you can get to 10 you can get to 100 – of that I’ve no doubt.

        • Ramo

          i wish we could say it about us…

  • Sanjeev
    • Robert Mockan

      I’ve been investigating the possibility of LENR pulse propulsion since 2007, as I posted here:
      It is gratifying that finally the scientist, Dr.Y.E.Kim, is looking into the application of detonating pycnodeuterium at cryogenic temperatures for propulsion.
      Matter wave interference within each of a large percentage of hydrogen or deuterium loaded lattice cavities may provide a sufficient enthalpy increase for rocket propulsion to make feasible private space craft.

      • sapain

        magnetic field propulsion. space being super cold, not problem with superconductivity to produce intense magnetic fields. just have to figure out how to interact with the magnetic fields and/or charged particles. or possible the emw of space.

  • GreenWin

    Piantelli’s slide #30 (Intl Workshop on Anomalies in H Loaded Metals) indicates his nickel sample emitting heavy particles after it has been removed from the cell. A similar effect to that shown in Patterson cells. e.g. Piantelli’s reaction decays rather slowly with spectrum peaks around 1500keV AFTER the cell is disconnected and the Ni rod removed.

    This demonstrates a very curious phenom happening in these H2 gas loaded metals – one not explained by classical or QED physics. Think, unscrew the light bulb and it stays lit! Wonderful!

    • daniel maris

      Fascinating stuff!

  • wes

    Can other scientists replicate the results? If they can,we are on the road to LENR.

    • daniel maris

      Well obviously other scientists can, since lots claim to have achieved anomalous heat from similar processes.

      • skeptic

        Nope. Anomalous means ‘I measured extra heat but I have no idea where it’s from, how to control it’
        Something you can’t explain is a long way from reproducable cold fusion.

        • Wes Moore

          so, the way your mind works is anomalous… does this mean your mind does not produce thoughts?

    • dsm

      Rossi and Defkalion claim they can.
      Their claimed LENR devices are based on Piantelli’s pioneering work using Ni + H when others were using Palladium & D.
      Piantelli filed a patent around use of Ni + H back in 1995 after work in the early 1990s. IIRC That patent was published in 1997.
      Piantelli was also interested in cancer research & for a time stopped working on LENR – he also let his patent lapse & thus it was open to copy by anyone who thought it might lead somewhere. Rossi then defkalion based their LENR claims around copies of Piantelli’s experiments.
      Rossi had been in the US in 2006 where he had been working on a contract with the US Army re some temperature monitoring gear.
      In 2006 or 7 Rossi saw an opportunity to get into LENR energy & approached Piantelli to support him in furthering development of a Ni + H reactor. Piantelli declined as he had decided to get back into his own research. Rossi then (still in 2007) approached Prof Focardi to join him – Focardi had been a collaborator with Piantelli in their early Ni + H research.
      Piantelli in the 1990s was already recognised as one of the leading LENR researchers using Ni + H.

  • Ramo

    Watt is a unit of power, not energy. I can beat 20 W in / 70 W out in no time! (pun intended)

    • daniel maris

      Doesn’t matter if it’s over an hour or a second, it’s still difficult to miscalculate – whereas at the milliwatt level contamination is a possible cause of the readings.

    • Wes Moore

      LOL, and of course power is energy

    • Robert Horning

      A watt-hour is a unit of energy though, which translates into the same units (with unitless conversion factor) as joules.

      Generators are commonly rated in terms of power they produce at any given moment, as they are expected to have continuous loads over time.

    • Mannstein

      We have to assume that Piantelli measures the power in and the power out during the same time interval. I’m sure as a physicist he knows as much.

  • All of the people who say it is impossible just because it is impossible suddenly are no longer making comments.

    • jon

      yeah, I just can’t wait for all the naysayers to eat their words.

    • skeptic

      Actually, I find this article a lot more interesting than Rossi.

      Rossi jumps from a laboratory to a finished product with output specification and prices in about 6 months – but doesn’t show anything tangible to anyone. Anonymous Customers and secret factories – the claims get bigger every day, but nothing tangible.

      Rossi claims he has no clue how his device works and doesn’t care if it needs new laws of physics. But for someone who claims to build, to make, to manufacture, we have seen … absolutely nothing.

      This article is, if anything, modest in its claims. 70 watts is not much, but at least they claim they are in the lab trying to find an explanation.

      • Rossi’s a business man, a scientist and an inventor.

        That’s an almost impossible job.

        Few men have pulled it off successfully: Job’s , Gates…

        They were mocked, and now treated as gods.

        Any fool can stuff around in a lab for 30 years.
        Getting the invention into peoples houses is far more important and tricky!

        GO ROSSI!

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  • GreenWin
    • If anyone adopts the technology wholesale and with enthusiasm it will be the Germans, simply as a consequence of Fr. Merkel’s decision to dump nuclear fission. If the likes of AEG or Siemens get stuck in, development of large-scale LENR generators could be very rapid.

  • Thomas Ammons

    I’ll bet that if Rossi’s calorimetry were honest he would get results about equivalent to Piantellli’s with a COP of about 3. Good enough to show it’s real but not good enough to be of much commercial use. I imagine Rossi thinks he can do better and wants us to believe the same. We’re better off to stick with researchers like Piantelli who have some integrity, who show results which although not so spectacular are trustworthy.