E-Cat World Exclusive Interview with Andrea Rossi, May 12, 2012.

F: I see. There is one licensee per region?

R: Yes, there are licenses that have very large territories that are organized. And there are licenses for small territories. And so we have chosen them with many kinds of considerations. I think we have found very good people. They are keeping up with our pace.

F: In the future will these licensees have sub-licensees themselves?

R: Well, it depends. This is a fact that will be evaluated case by case depending on the situations of the organizations, the kind of proposals. It is impossible…. of course this will depend on them because they are sovereign in their territory, but also we have to be able to…. So when they will propose us sub-licensees, we will make together a consideration to see if it would be opportune or not. Of course, in the interest of our organization.

F: I see. What are your thoughts on the current state of research in the field of LENR? You are not the only person working in the field.

R: Yes, I see that the field now of LENR is very crowded at the moment. Let me say sincerely that we have the merit to have moved the ground because before our announcement of the fourteenth of January 2011, everybody was kind of sleeping in this field. Now, our success of our research and development and the industrial progress has given incentive to this research as correctly said, Dr. Bushnell of NASA recently.

F: Do you feel any kind of competitive pressure from organizations working in this area?

R: No, not at all. We are following our path and you know we have to confront our service with the market. When in the moment there is nothing in the market that can compete with us. But I am pretty sure that soon we will have competitors. You know, we have to be prepared for this, and this is why we have our service to be extremely competitive and from an economic point of view. It will be difficult to compete with us. And under the economic point of view I mean prices and under the technological point of view, because we have resolved very big problems and I do not see anybody at the moment able to make a real competition.

F: You may have been aware that Dr. Celani spoke at CERN in Switzerland a few months ago. He mentioned in Japan that Mitsubishi and Toyota had been doing some research in the field of cold fusion. So there are some big names that are already thinking about it, at least.

R: Yes that is correct. When they will have a product to compete against us we will fight.

F: How scalable do you think your technology is? I mean, could you get a very small micro-sized E-Cat as well as a large multi-megawatt E-Cat? Is that something possible with your technology?

R: Good question. For what concerns bigger plants it is easier because it is just a matter of us assembling and putting together modules. Which is much simpler. To miniaturize an E-Cat is more difficult. Theoretically this should be possible. But I do not think that it is a very interesting branch of market, because the consume of energy in micro-applications is so low that I do not think there is very much incentive to use this technology to save some dollars a year. I do not think this will be a market. While you pay back an E-Cat very rapidly when you have substantial consumption of energy a domestic or industrial. In case of micro application you save so small money that I do not think the light will be worth the candle.

F: The E-Cat reaction, is it the same at all levels? At low levels is the same mechanism taking place that is taking place at high temperatures?

R: Basically, yes it is the same. But there are substantial differences in the configuration of the reactor. Quite substantial, so it is not the same thing with some external device which is different. As usual in our research we have tried to test very different configurations internally and at the end I think we have found a way to get high temperatures. And no, it is not the same, even if basically the theory at the root of this technology is the same.

F: Some people maybe confused about the COP issue. You have said many times for the small E-Cat we have a COP that is going to be six.

R: Yes.

F: This is not the theoretical limit of your technology, is that right?

R: It is right. It is not the theoretical limit, but it is the technological limit at the moment to make safe devices.

F: Is that going to be different with the large E-Cats, the megawatt size?

R: Maybe. At the moment our top that we declarre is six. But again, it is not impossible that the top goes up. Here everybody is talking about COP like it was a piece of cake. Many persons do not know what they are talking about. Then let us return with our feet well set on the ground and consider this. In hot nuclear fusion billions, hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent without any valid return to obtain a COP of 1.1. Again, 1.1. The COP 1.1 has not been reached with billions, hundreds of billions of US dollars. Now we say that we reached COP of six and there is around a quest to say six is low, seven is better. Some clown has said we have made twenty, thirty, fifty…. This is ridiculous, because six is a tremendous achievement. You think about it.

F: Are you striving for greater or are you satisfied with six?

R: The answer to this is when I see people who say the COE of six is too low, I don’t think they know what they are talking about. Do you remember as if Jesus Christ walked on the surface of the lake somebody could say but he is walking on the water but how old is he? 33 years, well he will never be able to swim. Now, what we have achieved when we achieved a COP of 6, is to understand what this means. You have to consider that hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent in the hot fusion to which 1.1 COP and they did not achieve 1.1. We have achieved six and we have from some part some clown that says I made a COP of 20 a COP of 50 and this is just clownery that we never see anything working really at that level because it is simply impossible. On the other part you say yes, and someone says why not seven? Just remember that I want anybody to take the real measure of this problem. Because hundreds of billions of dollars have been spent to achieve 1.1 so when we say we got six, we say something which is very important and maybe can be increased maybe, there is not a theoretical limit, but you know I am sure that if we should say seven, that someone would say why not eight. Unluckily that the numbers are infinite there will always be one number greater than the one we have achieved. Somebody who will say why not plus one? we will always find. The reality is that work safely we can get a COP of six, and this is quite an achievement.

F: Safety is the main consideration for you?

R: Yes it is. Safety and stability. Because during the period of our preliminary experiments we had situations in which instability was a very big problem. So now we achieved this level. I cannot say that in future this limit will not be superceded. You know, anything is improvable in this world. So also this will be.

F: That is where the competition will kick in. Have you ever encountered any dangerous health situations with the E-Cat in regards to safety, explosions, out of control heat, etc.

R: No, explosions no… instability yes. And instability yes. It is clear that stability is a fundamental perameter to make a product. And we have very stable situation when we work with a COP of six, and this is why we stay on that range.

F: What happens to an ECAT when it becomes unstable?

R: Basically instead of having a flat curve parallel to the X axis, you have a sharp V shape at of the curve, and this compromises the operation of the plant which goes into emergency and shuts off. Of course we have system that shuts off the E-Cat as soon as the curve of the temperatures become unstable.

F: Can you describe a typical working day in the life of Andrea Rossi?

R: Yes, you know this is kind of unstable because it depends. I am like an ECAT with a COP 20. Because you know it depends on what happens. Most of the time it is unforeseeable. Basically I wake up around 6:00 a.m. and I work until 11:00, midnight or something like that. My work is everyday to test, to make experiments to improve the technology and to organize the development of factories and the production lines. I am a sort of combination between an inventor and an industrialist at this moment. The only thing that I do everyday apart from working is at least one hour of exercise to maintain healthy body which is necessary to work.