Brilliant Light Power Presentation at Cable Industry Conference

Thanks to the readers who have pointed out a news bulletin on the Brilliant Light Power website regarding a presentation that Randell Mills made last week at the Society for Cable & Telecoms Engineers Energy 2020 conference in Denver, Colorado.

The news release stated:

“The audience consisted of leading Operating Executives from across the Cable industry. Dr. Mills shared his vision for alternative, Hydrino® derived energy and presented the SunCell® development program. Dr. Mills’ presentation is available in PDF format here.

Since 2014, SCTE’s Energy 2020 and associated programs has driven the Cable Industry to dramatically reduce their energy consumption and emissions. SCTE in conjunction with their partner Worldwide Environmental Services sees the development of the SunCell® as a game changing technology for the Cable industry.”

Here is the slideshow that Mills presented, which I assume provides the most recent information about of the BLP project:

http://www.brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/SCTE-Energy-2020-web.pdf

  • Gerard McEk

    Heat generating SunCell commercially available the 2nd half of 2018, well lets wait and see….

    • Brent Buckner

      Per page 3 of that presentation I only see:
      o Field test in 2H 2018
      o Commercial launch in 2H 2019

      From where are you getting 2nd half of 2018?

  • Ophelia Rump

    Rossi is doing the right thing selling the power.

    That should be required for anyone claiming to be able to produce energy from some new technology, sell the energy.
    Delivering energy below market cost is very convincing.

  • Anon2012_2014

    MHD and other ion based generators use directly electric charge or induced currents to extract electricity from a movement of either a conducting fluid/plasma (MHD) or charged particles. Because there is no photon to electric conversion, if the power source _already_ made one of the two above as an output, it is conceivable to get near 100% efficiency by harvesting the charge or current. Not sure what Mills has, but if it makes excess energy, it can be harvested. My take on Mills is that he refuses to demonstrate anything publicly so I remain exactly that … not sure. Hope he has it but I doubt it.

    • MorganMck

      I’m certainly convinced that Mills thinks he has something (not a scam) and he has obviously convinced many others (they parted with their $) that he has something. Whether he can and will demonstrate it are obviously the big questions. I’m somewhat encouraged by his partners; most notably Columbia Tech, TMI Climate Solutions and SpectroLab (Boeing). These are all reputable firms who I doubt would associate themselves with fraud in any way. That being said, Mills has always over promised and never delivered to date so its hard to know what to expect or when to expect it.

  • Dr. Mike

    I don’t have any experience with MHD generators, but my EE background gives me a basic understanding of how the system works. I think you can get a good understanding of MHD generators by consulting the information available on the internet.
    Electrical output from CPV cells will be limited to about 10-15% of the total energy generated in the SunCell with the proposed design so it wouldn’t be surprising if eventually a MHD system could produce a higher electrical output. There wasn’t enough information in the BLP slides to estimate the efficiency of the MHD generator. (BLP points out that a SunCell MHD generator would have a number of advantages over conventional MHD generators on page 48.) My guess is that some of the technical challenges for the SunCell MHD system would be common to the basic SunCell so having a working thermal SunCell prototype would be a good start for the development of a MHD system.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      Practical MHD generation is not efficient today. I mean, you are basically “moving” the particles past a magnetic field at high speed. And to charge a gas to conduct current then you need a gas at plasma temperatures. This is a VERY harsh environment, and any electrodes to pull out the current tend to be blasted to bits by such harsh environments. And efficient only around 20%.

      It seems strange that BLP would consider PV cells or MDH ideas – both very low output – and half of what we get from standard coal plants using traditional Rankin cycles.

      If BLP has the heat outputs, then it is REALLY strange and pressing that they THEN obfuscate this whole wonderful process with solar cells, or MHD generation.

      This is the SAME issue I had with the Orbo cube. If one device can output about .3 watts, then tie 10, or 100 together for a demo and dump all that battery hocus pocus USB charging crap. Show a solid state device constantly outputting 40 watts or 400 watts. The fact that they crapped around with USB battery cell phone charging etc. and all kind of hocus pocus in regards to charging batteries and very low power made ZERO sense. A solid state device outputting a constant 40 or 400
      watts was the ONLY kind of demo that made any sense.

      In regards to BLP? Take the heat, sell it, drive a turbine – crapping around with PV cells and MHD generation makes VERY little sense right now and just serves to hide, obfuscate, confuse and kick the can down the street as to their claims.

      While we might speculate as to what Rossi has, or has not. At least Rossi’s approach makes 100% common sense.

      In other words, your first few customers simply consume heat that you sell.
      This is the most sensible and shortest logical approach to turning his invention
      into some kind of cash flow. You then use that cash flow (and market
      validation) to “feed” the next step of a commercial product that you
      manufacture and sell. The approach makes perfect sense.

      I honestly have ZERO idea why BLP is messing around with PV’s and MHD concepts if they have the heat outputs they claim?

      When someone’s approach makes no sense, then have to question what they are doing and what they have.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Dr. Mike

        I agree with most of your comments. In my posts I have discussed why i don’t believe BLP will achieve their anticipated electrical output from CPV cells. I can see how the SunCell concept possibly can be modified to a MHD generator that is more efficient than conventional MHD systems, but this is certainly yet to be proven. I think you have a very good point that development of electrodes may take a lot of engineering if the MHD is to run for a long time without electrode replacement.
        I also think BLP would be wise to initially go after the heat only market. I am awaiting to see how they are going to pull the heat out of the system. I also believe that with the right design, arrays of SunCells could be used to deliver heat for the boilers of existing coal, gas and oil fired power plants, although this would require a new boiler design that can use the SunCell’s heat output.
        I think that an electrical output from the SunCell is the only way to go if BLP wants to get into the market powering cars, truck, ships, etc. This market is so large that it does make sense that BLP attempts to build a power source for these applications.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Most sensible.
          I mean if BLP want to pursue PV cells and electric power, hey all the better. Same goes for ideas in regards to MHD. Heck, might be better to tinker with TEG’s (thermal electric generators).
          A company in Calgary (Alberta) specialises in such devices for the oil and gas industry – they are really cool when used for the right “use” case.

          Watch this VERY cool short video on TEGS – they can be placed on a natural gas line – and provide power without moving parts and is an ideal solution in the oil and gas industry:

          Video:
          https://vimeo.com/user36362329

          Website:
          http://www.genthermglobalpower.com/

          Strong recommend anyone watch the first above video link

          So no problem with BLP looking into “what” to do with their heat, but as I stated if they have what they have, then above ideas come “down” the road – not a reason to delay or hold back use of their heat devices now.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Dr. Mike

            I think that TEGs would provide much less electrical output power than CPV cells unless someone comes up with a material that is much more efficient than those that exist now. Thermal electric generators have some specific applications, but are very inefficient at converting heat energy into electrical energy (nominally well less than 10% efficient).

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Yes, have to agree. TEG’s are poor at conversion ( < 10%). Begs the question why BLP is thus playing with this idea???

            However, PV’s are about 20%, and MHD designs are also around 20%.

            So either way, standard “heat” conversion is still around 40% for any “Rankin” cycle (i.e.: steam engine, steam turbine, sterling engines etc.).

            It just seems to me that BLP going for “BIG” investor money talking about supplementing the grid power with some technology they don’t have working as of yet as opposed to selling heat or using heat in a practical proven way.

            In fact this “investor” centric approach of BLP has been going on for 20 years now (they started before LENR was on the scene in any big way). So BLP is clearly more interested in “ideas” that can make deep pocket investors part with their money as opposed to practical working products based on their technology.

            Their whole approach is a HUGE red flag IMHO.

            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

          • Dr. Mike

            I am waiting for that first working prototype that appears to be well enough developed to be commercialized. BLP has been able to bring in a lot of money without delivering a
            working prototype, but that doesn’t mean that they are not progressing. However, it seems to me if they really wanted to go after the big money, they would be trying to replace grid power generation with the output from arrays of their SunCells.driving the power turbines.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            Sure, I think we much see that their generating of electric is weak.
            A to be fair there nothing really wrong with going after investor money – after all that is required.

            I mean, with a lot of marketing hype around the Tesla power-wall, then this idea of small systems placed all over the grid to supplement the electrical grid is a HOT investor area.

            So BLP is just trying to benefit off of this investor concept. So they ALSO are joining the party by saying they have a product to “supplement” the grid. So this approach is somewhat of “markety” type of hype and a sales job for money.

            I don’t fault this kind of marketing, but it does push BLP more towards marketing ideas then producing a product. So sure, grid supplement is a hot area right now.

            However, I think it is somewhat weak to market their devices as grid supporting devices by using solar cells as their process of converting heat into electricity.

            With the heat and outputs they claim, then PV’s or MHD simply is something that obfuscates their incredible claims of heat output seems to be the wrong approach, or at the very least an approach that would delay revenue for them as opposed to grabbing investor money now.

            I just see such little reason to mess with PV’s to convert this energy when they have such amazing outputs of heat.

            Sell the heat, use the heat for Rankin cycle conversion now. I mean, sure down the road consider PV’s or whatnot, but it just not an efficient way to convert that heat output.

            I mean, exactly what kind of surface area you going to need in terms of solar panels to pull out and produce some decent wattage here? The surface area of PV wrapped around the core don’t make a lot of sense – you don’t have the required surface area. And STILL have to spend lots of engineering dollars to remove all that excess heat anyway.

            Selling something that wastes 80% of the heat energy as a grid supplement device seems to be the wrong sales approach.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Ophelia Rump

    You don’t need to. If they can produce power over 1000% output to input. In a year they can turn each million dollars investment into 100 million or more conservatively. In1years time they would be building mega-factories paid in advance to produce product.

    If someone has the golden goose the problem is not acquiring golden eggs, it is the willingness to breed the geese and sell the goslings.

  • Dr. Mike

    BLP has named their development partners in their presentations for the last couple of years. I agree that this does give assurance that there is a team of engineers and scientists working on the development problems. My guess is that BLP is better funded than most if not all of the major players working on LENR.

  • MorganMck

    Thanks Epi – very helpful. I did look at Wikipedia but much of it is over my head.

  • MorganMck

    I thought I would share some Mills quotes from the Society for Classical Physics Blog in response to comments on the SCTE presentation:

    >> In response to how firm the field test and commercialization dates in the presentation are:

    Randy Mills:
    “The wild cards are how fast Columbia Tech and other partners can move now
    that the heavy lifting is over, and the significant impact that MD may
    have on the program.”

    >> In response to an expressed hope that BrLP would not slip schedule to change from PV to MHD for electricity generator SunCell:

    Randy Mills:
    “Nice armchair decision when you have no idea what the tradeoffs are including time to market, risk, cost, materials, manufacturing, installation, maintenance, applications, competitiveness, etc.”

    >> In response to BrLP using thermal SunCells with steam turbines for electricity generation:

    Randy Mills:
    “Where are you reading that we are pursuing steam turbines? We are pursuing a simple heater for the $4T heating market.

    Concentrator photovoltaic (CPV) and magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) are presented electricity technologies.

    The MHD cycle could recirculate liquid silver alone such that there is essentially zero pumping power consumption and no gas cooling losses, resulting in high efficiency. Albeit, another aspect to consider is that efficiency is not that relevant. The power per unit volume and the corresponding capital cost, divided by the power is what counts. Modeling shows over 5MW/liter net power (unmatched by huge multiples). The capital cost is the sum of two EM return pumps + permanent magnet + electrodes = a few thousand. The cost per kilowatt looks amazingly low.”

    >> In response to why BrLP doesn’t just demo a continuously operating reactor rather than waiting for a commercial product:

    Randy Mills:
    “We are a serious company working diligently on solving the problems to make hydrino reactions a commercial power source. In my opinion, we have been more successful than any other small company in history with NO support regarding the ‘world [that] can start planning the introduction of hydrino based technology in earnest’.”

  • Albert D. Kallal

    It not an all or nothing kind of statement or deal on my part.

    I remain un-convinced that a relative small “ball” sphere of PV’s panels with limited surface area wrapped around some core is going to produce electricity with a decent kind of conversion rate. Even if you have some panels that can hit 36%, the surface area seems rather limited. I mean, I can take some huge magnify glass and concentrate that on a single solar cell, but you have significant limits to this process – the solar cell rapid reaches a saturation point. So doubled the concentration from say 3 big magnify glass to 30 big magnify does not increase power
    after that saturation point by 30 times. The 36% conversion rate becomes moot, since you can’t convert that kind of energy with such a small surface area – it’s that simple. In above I posted a link to a company that builds and sells TEG’s. They produdce about 5000 watts. They have a poor conversion rate, but increasing the “size” of the natural gas burner will NOT increase output at their given conversion rate. So be it PV’s or TEG’s, simply throwing more heat (or light) at the conversion system does NOT increase the output beyond a practical and simple saturation point. So the issue not even conversion rate as %, but what kind of total output you can get from such a limited sphere around the reactors core.

    If BLP is working towards using heat and selling heat from their devices, then all the better, great, and that is good. (However, I certainly don’t see this market play from their sales literature).

    So their presentation to power-grid providers speaks nothing about their going to using heat as their “initial” market plan. BLP is simply promoting their wares to the “big” and “deep” pocket electrical grid industry in which supplemental grid power is a HOT area right now. (And that is a stretch with PV’s right now).

    However BLP not looking and pushing first to use heat as their main selling point seems to be the wrong approach. So in this regards, yes, Rossi does make more sense. Maybe BLP is too, but I not seeing that market play on their part.

    At the end of the day, a working product is the ONLY real thing that convinces anyone of these power sources. So I can admit that whatever strategy BLP uses, it really don’t matter if they come up with a working product.

    As long as their messing around with some PV sphere does not limit their desires to use + sell heat devices first, then fine (but using + selling heat don’t’ seem to be their first more unlike Rossi).

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Dr. Mike

      Actually you can concentrate sunlight (or light coming from a high temperature blackbody radiator) up to a factor of about 1200 and achieve a conversion efficiency of 40% or more using triple junction III-V semiconductors or a conversion efficiency of about 25% using single junction Si CPV cells if the illumination intensity is limited to 300-400 times a one sun intensity. I discussed in earlier posts why BLP can’t really come close to these numbers with their proposed CPV array design. You can check my earlier posts for details, but the main factors limiting the BLP design include:
      1. They wanted to use the triple junction CPV cells at a 2000X concentration factor somewhat above the nominal maximum spec of 1000X-1200X for current triple junction CPV cells.
      2. The triangles comprising the geodesic dome only have a 70-80% area coverage with CPV cells.
      3. Operating the cells at 70-100C reduces the maximum cell efficiency down to 35-38%
      4. The CPV cells will be mostly connected in series (with groups of series connected cells connected in parallel). Cell to cell variation and more importantly illumination non-uniformity over the series connected cells will limit the output current of all series connected devices to the current of the single cell seeing the least amount of illumination.
      5. Even if there was perfect illumination uniformity from the graphite dome, the CPV cells on each segment of the geodesic dome are not the same distance from the dome, therefore will not see a uniform illumination intensity.

      My best estimate is that BLP should be able to convert 10-15% of the available heat power to electrical power using triple junction III-V CPV cells in their early systems. It is quite likely that they can achieve the same electrical output using single junction Si CPV cells with a larger geodesic dome array of cells (to keep the illumination intensity down to the equivalent of about 400 suns).

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Most interesting. No doubt concentrated PV (CPV) can reach some high outputs. I still think removing the excess heat becomes an issue (those semiconductors as you well point out require one to limit the temperatures 100C or less).

        So perhaps 200,000-300,000 watts could be achieved in such a relative small area. So as a combined heat and electrical device, such a design has more merit then I am giving it credit for. And your suggesting to go with larger domes to trade out the heat issue via more surface area solves much of the heat issue (a rather interesting suggestion
        and solution on your part – such a choice likely could use far less expensive components and PV’s as you also note).

        Concentration solar cells (CPV) had more activity some years ago but with some spectacular drops in PV panels, we seeing .50 cents a watt. As a result, the greater costs of PV systems becomes installing, transportation and supporting electric systems. So the CPV approach has fallen much by the wayside (but some designs still do have
        merit)

        To be fair not all downsides that apply to traditional CPV systems vs PV systems would apply to such a reactor setup (as opposed to using the sun). So an apple and oranges comparison between PV vs CPV on my part does not necessary apply to the sun-cell idea of
        converting energy to electric.

        In other words, I can concede that such a CPV approach on BLP’s part is stretching what is practical, but such an approach is certainly not crazy or without merit.

        In fact your points have certainly “strengthened” my view of CPV concepts, and I was not aware that 1000x concentrations were achievable with such technology.
        So while BLP is stretching things here, they are stretching FAR less then I had realized!

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

        • Dr. Mike

          The ability to remove excess heat was developed concurrently with the CPV cells that could operate at 1000X. Using this same design, it should be easier to cool the larger array of Si CPV cells, but this just a side benefit of going to a larger array to reduce the maximum illumination to about 400 suns equivalent to get to the operating limit for the Si CPV cells. BLP would have a useful device even it it is not able to have the electrical output claimed in their presentations. However, BLP should be able to deliver a heat only device to market quicker because a heat only device would not be that sensitive to the output uniformity from the blackbody radiator.

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