“LION – Tractor Beam: Bending the Rules” (New MFMP Video)

Bob Greenyer of the Martin Fleischmann memorial project presents a new video titled “LION – Tractor Beam: Bending the Rules” in which he looks at some properties of the LION fuel tube he has been analyzing and points out some aspects of it that he finds unexpected and unusual.

Specifically, he finds that its response to external lighting is not what he expected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcRY3SBVwEA&feature=youtu.be

  • invient

    Is this O day?

    • Bob Greenyer

      No, it will be part of a series of videos to clear out things that need to be understood before ‘O Day’

      ‘O Day’ will be done ASAP.

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    This may help to answer a few of your questions:

    http://engineering.case.edu/centers/scsam/sites/engineering.case.edu.centers.scsam/files/images/how_to_approach_sem_and_eds_analysis_ver_2.pdf

    Here are a few answers:

    1) Why the black holes? Area was too far away, SEM has a depth of field limit.

    2) Why no Alumina? Black hole area was lower copper winging layer and not the alumina tube.

    3) Why the Yb and Hf? Read the paper. It says NEVER trust auto element analysis. But you should know that as on other SEM EDS videos you have seen elements come and go and their % vary quite a lot.

    BTW the black holes are not black. There is detail there. Just too far away for the SEM to properly pick it up.

    This is a screen shot with pushed gamma, contrast and brightness to bring out the best details. However quality is not that good. If you can provide a high res image, I can do more processing of it.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/291783ba97834b42d28e37cd6ec09dccf193f9ed560678dfeb38ef6afdc66f88.png

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi E48,

      Now you are thinking!

      1) Maybe

      2) Definitely not, this is the Alumina (or at least the material that was the core)

      3) We did not, we tried all kinds of beam energies and went through the entire periodic table.

      The ‘black areas’ are definitely not black.

      I will share more SEMs and EDS later – this thing is keeping me up.

      What else do you see in this Gif?

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob;

        Can we cut to the chase and look at the fuel images and the EDS?

        • Bob Greenyer

          We will not look at the fuel until we have established a cell opening procedure. The LION author wants to test for residual He, I do think it may be possible to observe in crushed outer casing however and might try that first. he then wants a super conductivity Nitrogen test – This makes lots of sense to me having established that there persistent solitons that were stationary and enabled exposure of the X-Ray film

    • Max Nozin

      To support your point. Last week there was a presentation in Russia on bacterial transmutations. They showed 2 test protocols of ICP-MS Thermo Fisher tests. Entire periodic table was there including trans uranium and acitinides like Fm. Sometimes test will show nothing from where they concluded it was an anti matter. We should be cautious about single method results.

  • Axil Axil

    Why do we see a rainbow on the surface of a cd? Because there are small nano pits burnt into the aluminum substrate.

    https://electronics.howstuffworks.com/question52.htm
    Why do CDs reflect rainbow colors?

    https://cdn.pixabay.com/photo/2017/05/16/21/57/cd-2319153_960_720.jpg

    The LION reactor surface is pitted that are sized in the defection range of the electrons that are being reflected from that surface. For visible light diffraction, Each pit is approximately 100 nm deep by 500 nm wide, and varies from 850 nm to 3.5 µm in length. The pits and bumps on the LION reactor surface is in the low nanometer range eo diffract high energy electrons.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      Visible light diffraction is caused by photons and not electrons.

      • Axil Axil

        See

        http://www.charfac.umn.edu/instruments/eds_on_sem_primer.pdf

        Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy on the SEM: A Primer

        My concuture is that the surface of the LION reactor is producing electron distortion effects whereby the expected x-ray returns are not consistent with the expectations of the analysis software. Such interference may be produced by optical cavities or possible latent subatomic particle (muon/electron) release from the ash of the LENR reaction.

        • Bob Greenyer

          E48 completely ignored my first observation on the direct / indirect light aspect.

          It is definitely nanostructured and there are oriented areas – even in the same plane areas, the gif shared and the ones shared of the outside of the reactor hold the secrets to LENR and much more.

          Look into the detail

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            I did not ignore your observation. Will get around to trying to explain it.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks – I thought it was unlike you to miss something!

        • Engineer48

          Hi Axil,

          I agree the EDS scans seem unreliable.

          However the XRay photons are emitted as electrons shift shells due to the SEM electrons locking orbital electrons out of their orbit and other electrons shifting shells to fill in the voids.

          Each XRay photon emitted as electrons shift shells has a unique wavelength and that after sampling a LOT of the XRay photons, allows the software to be able to find a match against expected element XRay emissions.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18e460151bc7121f09136795db90df9f7800b9247b77fe7fc7b4ee6e58428520.png

    • Stephen

      I found the Lycurgus Cup facinnating. I was wondering how different wave lengths of X-rays could be diffracted.

      But if it’s the electrons themselves are diffracted that’s an interesting approach.

      Would diffracted electrons result in the X-rays being emitted like this though?

      If they are characteristic x-rays from elements wouldn’t they still be emitted in random orientations?

      It almost implies systematic orientation of the inner shell electrons.

      Would this happen in a crystal structure?

      I suppose it could be interesting to look at X-Ray crystallography.

      • Stephen

        If crystal alignment can acount for the X-Ray emissions from different elements in certain regions it would also imply those crystals are aligned. Either as 1. a common surface. Or 2. the structure alignment is the same due to seed surface is common. Or 3. some out side influence is aligning the crystals during formation.

        If 3. The analysts could give a tool to look at that out side influence .

      • Axil Axil

        Solitons behave like particles. Solitons can absorb and store EMF energy and convert it to other frequencies through interference. Solitons are superconducting with a high quality factor. This characteristic gives the SPP condensate a very long energy storage lifetime.

  • Engineer48

    Did Lion overwrap the copper coil?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ef9d2375df27d6d420309e74451108aa10e0eae58cc567620ff157e0d0a42cd.png

    This image suggests there was an overwrap of some material.

    It is normal when winging coils to provide a wrap over the alumina tube so to help the 1st layer to locate and not slide around. Likewise some also overwrap the 1st layer as a bed for the 2nd layer. And finally to hold everything firmly in place, to overwrap the upper layer. Which suggests there may be from 1 to 3 overwrap layers.

    EDS element analysis is driven by XRay photon emissions from atoms around 1 um under the surface.

    Interesting how a bead of glass on a Ni substrate is detected my the EDS as Sapphire.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26a3f1e5b300b9041620c4583e3a0ff550dddf1f0c86490a21ebfb5e2205dcc6.png

    EDS does an analysis of all the XRay emissions from the SEM electrons to try to ident the element based on known XRay emission from each shell of each element.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f29fabd9cd35a582f81897fd498e261bd9738da29d40fc6e0155063ddf18f77.png

    However this is more an art than science as material with heavily mixed elements is not easy, especially if they vary by depth.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b721cd4c4621b0bc91450eea0e22594b42039a3a791d6de50f9c0d907a6948d0.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f98ebd76efed456f2bbe937f09593f8fdf76e2611756c24c88ded9a621cdd74f.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f3d454386ea6b732948fb488fd52aaf3d77f71ece8e07db8f1e80a9e57e7c5e.png

  • Engineer48

    EDS element analysis is driven by XRay photon emissions from atoms around 1 um under the surface.

    Interesting how a bead of glass on a Ni substrate is detected by the EDS as Sapphire.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/26a3f1e5b300b9041620c4583e3a0ff550dddf1f0c86490a21ebfb5e2205dcc6.png

    EDS does an analysis of all the XRay emissions from the SEM electrons to try to ident the element based on known XRay emission from each shell of each element.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f29fabd9cd35a582f81897fd498e261bd9738da29d40fc6e0155063ddf18f77.png

    However this is more an art than science as material with heavily mixed elements is not easy, especially if they vary by depth.

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b721cd4c4621b0bc91450eea0e22594b42039a3a791d6de50f9c0d907a6948d0.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f98ebd76efed456f2bbe937f09593f8fdf76e2611756c24c88ded9a621cdd74f.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f3d454386ea6b732948fb488fd52aaf3d77f71ece8e07db8f1e80a9e57e7c5e.png

    • Gerard McEk

      I am not sure how experienced the EDS operator is, but these points you are putting forward, E48, are surely issues to check.
      Surfaces that contain a messy mix of elements are probably difficult to analyse. I believe you should zoom-in much further for proper EDS analysis.

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    What is the OD of the copper coil and the ID of the alumina tube it was inside?

    Plus can we have 4 high res images of the coil, from 4 sides, so the entire surface of the coil can be studied?

    I assume the surface would not be symmetrical as one side of the coil would be facing down and lying against the inside of the alumina tube the heater coil was wound around.

    Which would mean as melt occurred it would flow or slump down to the bottom of the heater coil alumina tube and away from the upper surface of the coil.

    This should be visible as asymmetric material flow around the coil.

    Thanks

  • Stephen

    Bob have you tried to look at the crystals under different kinds of polarized direct light?

    Is there any change with different polarization?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Stephen,

      Excellent suggestion.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Stephen,

      My first order of the day (given up on sleep, you’ll be the same after O Day) is to go and see if the Magnaview plastic can ‘see’ any solitons live. I think have a polarising filter somewhere which I will try.

      I then want to produce one more video and start 3D Modelling.

      • Stephen

        I think some camera polarizing filters are circular polarized. So maybe worth bareing in mind if we want to check for linear polarization.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I will try my sunglasses also

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    Meanwhile… Super Blue Moon Total Eclipse

    https://youtu.be/8ccbe6NKiuk

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    Lord Kelvin was nearly right, Viktor Schauberger was right about what he said, however, the sum of their efforts is greater than the parts – Why?

  • Anon2012_2014

    Bob — do you have a link on MFMP site describing LION (not a video)? I didn’t see it listed on the list of active experiments.

    • Bob Greenyer

      When I get time I will write a long Steemit blog. I am running through all the material and preparing it as I get ready for ‘O Day’

      Bob

      • Anon2012_2014

        Thank’s Bob. Good luck.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks

  • Stephen

    The points you mentioned in the video and Engineer48 brings up here about the reliability of the signature and what emements are really there is important I think.

    It would be really interesting to get independent verifications. I wonder is it possible to identify the compositikn slso from the optical spectrum? Especially the crystals?

    If Hafnium and Yitterbium is present then this is amazing on so many levels.

    But just considering here their melting vapor points for example:

    Yitterbium has a melting point of 823 deg C and vapor point of 1195 deg C which is maybe within the operating range of the device.

    But….:

    Hafnium as an extremely high melting point and vapor point… 2239 deg C melting point and 4602 deg C boiling point!

    This is huge and hard to imagine how it could be transported. It almost implies it was created or revealed in those particular locations.

    One thing to bare in mind is both Yittrium and Hafnium are sometimes used as a dopant in alumina to improve the properties such as thermal stability of these materials.

    To be thorough and transparent we should check if it is included in the alumina or the cement.

    If not in the cement and the Hafnium is a real signature I’m completely confused how the Hafnium got there even if it came from the alumina tube it self. I assume it didn’t exceed 2239 deg C

  • Stephen

    Bob in the spectra that looked like Yittrium. If I recall correctly some peaks were missing.

    Can you recall if it was higher energy peaks or lower energy peaks that were missed?

    This might tell us something I think for example if the inner energy shell characteristic X-Rays high energy transitions were there it might imply that Yittrium must have existed or at least an lanthanides element even if the spectrum was distorted some how.

    If the high energy peaks are missing then it could imply the X-rays are coming from elsewhere even lighter elements and just look like Yittrium.

    I’m guessing a bit but I think this makes sense.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The video is on YT.

      Look at the image – there is many things more in there.

  • sumdum

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    The presence of ytterbium and hafnium would be extraordinary, so they need extensive corroboration by multiple different methods – especially when there are some clear ways in which the results from the instrument used could have been erroneous.

    Best practice is to not get yourself or anyone else excited before triple and quadruple checking to confirm the validity of the results.

    Sorry Bob, this is poor form.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I asked why they ‘appear’ to be there. Axil and E48 have made good discussion points. I did not handle the apparatus an expert did and burned a lot of donor cash trying to get it to see something different.

      I sat on this for the same doubts you have since 29th / 8th / 2017, but since seeing the 26th December video of the transmuted Hutchison Copper sample with Magnaview and then being provided the 2-week exposure x-rays on the 14th January 2018 from LION, I deduced there seemed to fluxes extending out of the tube and predicted what would be on the tube if it was that. Those structures had to be at least refracting the photons coming from the core.

      The combination of this data and my experience has allowed an understanding of the structure that drives these processes. After visualising the structure I have found further evidence both on the outer core (which I have been hinting at for days). I have refined my model draft accordingly.

      Today, I also confirmed the same structures in the spurious images we have here. It confirms the model I devised at the end of last week.

      Now I am going to just listen to Ken Shoulders and LOOK.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I thought Bob went overboard to demonstrate that he did not believe that the materials were ytterbium or hafnium but rather something else being distorted somehow from proper measurement. Sit up straight young man, pay better attention.

      • Bob Greenyer

        That is what I said. Because it was so unusual I asked Jana to do an extra long scan so the sampling was really high, I just had a hunch that odd and unexpected did not necessarily mean bad.

        Yesterday, I am VERY glad I did so.

        Look closer.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION – Triangle

    Where, oh where is it pointing?

    22 micrograms?

    https://youtu.be/KI78KvGCBZY

  • Axil Axil

    When a semi transparent surface reflects light, the light that is reflected can change color, The is due to interference produced by the light coming into the top surface of the material with the light that is being reflected of the bottom of the material.

    https://www.optics4kids.org/osa.ok4/media/optics4kids/teachersparents/articles/images/colorthinfilmsinterference03.gif

    A monochromatic (single color and thus single wavelength, λ) light beam incident on a thin film can have the reflected beam either reinforced or diminished depending on the phase difference and hence angle of incidence and film thickness. This is the reason why iridescence colors (such as the colors on a peacock feather) shift when the angle of incidence changes.

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Soap_bubble_sky.jpg/440px-Soap_bubble_sky.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thin-film_interference
    Thin-film interference

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Dieselrainbow.jpg/440px-Dieselrainbow.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      This may well be it – look into the image, what do you see?

      • Axil Axil

        I see bands or strips of color change corresponding to the angle of incidence of the incoming EMF.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Look at some of the flat planes when it appears it is mostly one colour.

          • Axil Axil

            There is a speckling of color change that denotes nanostructures. These structures produce a slight change in surface thickness.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Look for patterns / forms

          • Axil Axil

            Those pits might have been produced by the solitons as they ate their way over the surface thereby producing surface tracts.

          • Stephen

            I wonder if they’re is a pattern amongst the collection of speckling effects. Especially locally.

            Curious what it means if there is.

            I like the peacock wing analogy…. curious how it could work with X-rays though.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Little more macro than that.

          • Stephen

            Well there are at macro level what to apear to be “Hafnium” like stripes and “Ytterbium” like stripes.

            Interestingly at “Yb” stripes follow the copper wires more or less.

            The “Hf” like stripes on the other hand seem to have similar spacing but are at relative angle compared to th “Yb” anc copper wires interstingly crossing them in some places even across separated wires.

            Where they cross there is also an interesting striping at smaller scale between the “Yb” and “Hf” that I think may follow a pattern across the sample… but it’s subtle so I’m curious what others think.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Look at the latest call to be critical. Big clue and link to the Gif image. Watch it – what stands out?

          • Stephen

            It does look like both the “Hf” and “Yb” like bands are crossing the wires.. in opposite angles.. almost like a mirror of each other.

            I see your point here and why you think it might be an “optical” like effect.

            It would be really interesting if we could see the polarization of the x-rays…, is this possible with a SEM?

          • Bob Greenyer

            You are on the right track Axil.

            Bob

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      Good explanation here:

      Diffraction Gratings:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffraction_grating

  • Axil Axil

    This is another possible cause of angular induced reflective color change involving reflective pits.

    http://article.sapub.org/image/10.5923.j.optics.20150506.02_011.gif

    The incident rays are either reflected once by the flat bottom of the structure, is reflected twice by the edges of the cavity producing the blue color

    • Bob Greenyer

      Nice

    • Engineer48

      Hi Axil,

      Assuming the “reflections”, which are really separate photon absorb and emit events, are elastic, then the photons going upward would be the same freq / colour as the photons going downward.

  • Alan Smith

    Totally non-conductive areas of the field of view of an electron microscope look like ‘black holes’. Hence, visible under normal lighting, but not under the scope.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Alan,

      SEM knocks electrons out of their shell orbits. Does that with any atom, metallic or not.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5b2f1a9e0c441b94921b8b9c795194cd5c8ead919136240f6e80321f924a460.png

      SEM has a depth of field plus energy density drops away with distance.

      There are heaps of examples of dark areas that are too far away from the beam focus.

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/573f70903417a1ef886e43930b8dc8c04f80e76b28da27d84df26ad177fe9ae9.jpg

      This effect helps to give 3D relief to SEM images.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is correct Alan – but they are seen perfectly when in closer.

      I will share a slide from ‘O Day’

      • Axil Axil

        Plasmons are like an antenna. They receive EMF at a resonance frequency. That energy is stored by the SPPs as the SPPs get more energy rich. The input energy in the form of electrons are converted to light at the resonant energy of the SPP. There is no return of the energy produced by the incoming electons on the nanowires.

        When the frequency of the electrons are changed by the SEM, that incoming energy is no longer resonant and therefore the output energy can be returned to the SEM receiver.

        The increase in the SEM’s resolution produces higher energy electrons. These electrons are not at the resonant energy that is absorbed most readily by the polaritons. Think of the polaritons as a resonant receiver of electron energy.

        • Bob Greenyer

          This is a valuable contribution Axil, thankyou for actually looking

  • georgehants

    Morning, I wake-up every morning looking forward to the debate on the
    snippets that Bob is putting up re. “O” day, just say thank you to Bob
    and all the guys in the band that are involved.
    After 8 years waiting for nothing from Rossi, all wishes that MFMP’s “O” day will be revealing of new open science.

    • sam

      This morning I am waiting for
      A.R response to this comment.

      Matt
      February 1, 2018 at 1:23 AM
      For the robotic mass production will there also be used plastic garden hose fittings and duct tape?

      But off to work I go so I will
      not know reply until tonight.
      Have a good day George.

      • sam

        Andrea Rossi
        February 1, 2018 at 10:11 AM
        Matt:
        No.
        Obviously you have no idea what robotic mass production means and implies.
        Warm Regards
        A.R.

    • Bob Greenyer

      O Day is coming

      “Like a snowball down a mountain”

      Who said this?
      What did it make him realise?

      • interstellar hobo

        So it will be yet another overhyped sad MFMP news-McNugget that doesn’t pan out and has nothing to do with Martin Fleischman’s work?

        • Bob Greenyer

          I am volunteering around 18 hours a day to prepare this presentation. Understanding has evolved exponentially since receiving the X-rays on the 14th of January.

          This is EVERYTHING to do with Martin Fleischmann’s work.

          Judge for yourself if you think it is over-hyped when you see it.

        • Axil Axil

          For one thing, the LENR reaction is not fusion so Martin Fleischman’s work does not produce the correct theory. There is a good chance that you will not be able to understand what LENR is about no matter how hard Bob tries to explain it so gird yourself for disappointment.

  • John Littlemist

    It is hardly MFMP’s fault that me356 device did not work and Suhas withdrew for what ever reasons?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi Bruce

    The LION author has sent LION 2 to me, which went well beyond the first, more than a perfect replications. I hope to receive it ASAP, and will publish what is said to be an extraordinary state.

    I then need to analyse L2 and the cores of both L1 and L2. After that is all made public, the LION author is going to prepare a reactor for us to run. I need to organise child care for the length of the live run.

    ‘O Day’ is intimately entangled with every experience the MFMP has had.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    LION Alumina tube tests with 0.5% Ca, this is important, why? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ad613690a45a39cd35066317c14e155a9757c5c4dc0b29753e1d746645b61ae8.jpg

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      How many other sample sites did you test?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Several areas, they are the same all bar contaminants – this is from the exact same session in August, right after we wasted hours trying to get a meaningful data on a broader view.

      • Bob Greenyer

        As said above, I will dump the full test data tomorrow.

    • Axil Axil

      It looks like different element mixtures are scattered over the surface of the alumina. These elements have been transported there along with the addition of a mixture of other transmuted elements. This movement of elements over the surface may have been produced by nanoparticles that have been condensed the vapor of various newly formed elements that have condensed and have been incorporated into a mobile soliton that has spread over the surface of the LION reactor.

      Polaritons need a host material to form. These nanoparticles provide the support matter based structure onto which the polaritons exist.

      Here is a nanowire that is hosting Surface Plasmon polaritons on the nanowire’s surface

      https://images.nature.com/w926/nature-assets/ncomms/2015/150302/ncomms7407/images_hires/ncomms7407-f2.jpg

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    What stands in the shadows under the light of the red moon?

    What does it mean?

    https://goo.gl/VrjsmH

  • Engineer48

    Interesting sample of Cuprite, Cu2O. Even has flecks of Red Cuprite in amongst all the shiny almost Black Cuprite..

    https://www.crystalclassics.co.uk/product/cuprite-27542/

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/adc2d5cac5a878a5fcba4ebd10f5cb2be6e9d4a0bb16e36f945f8313c60a792b.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good find, colours like this are often due to impurities, did the site do an assay to find out what they were?

  • Alan Smith

    I think the plan is that Lookingforheat and MFMP are both going to be running replications. So looking forward to that.

  • Engineer48

    These lovely red tendrils of cuprite are copper oxide displaying a crystal habit known as capillary, or threadlike structure.

    Where have we seen these threadlike structures before?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4f767ac979ab896cd8754e65460319ad12ff71827b61b8dcdc2540d7b67afbc6.jpg

    • Bob Greenyer

      Beautiful

  • Bob Greenyer

    Every step along this journey has showed only what was needed.

    I understand your position, imagine giving over 5 years of your life and feeling these feelings off and on.

    Judge after ‘O Day’

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    What is this on John Hutchison’s 1986 steel sample?

    What is it telling you?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c6e3cbc3608f931ffa985d4a7161f370613286f36100a6c98ab4ff9e239dc97.png

    https://youtu.be/YZFY8_DLMkc

    • Axil Axil

      The specially formatted magnetic fields that the electronic devices that are used to produce the Hutchison effect is producing a quark soup of deteriorated matter where the original steel material that is being acted upon is transmuted into a new quark/gluon configuration that has resulted in its transmutation into other elements.

      It is my belief that this special magnetic field consists of chilal photons where all the photons have the same handedness. This specially formatted magnetic field distroys the balance of the handedness of the Quarks and gluons inside the nucleons, These nucleons fall apart into mesons which intern transmute surrounding material into other stable elements.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Think more on Chirality – what are you seeing in the photo?

    • suhas R

      Hi Bob,Axil Axil & Engineer 48
      Keep on doing what you are doing and Enjoyin.It is pleasure for us and you all as we look into new areas with fresh thoughts and outllook.Let us not worry about the Haves and Have-nots.
      Suhas Ralkar

      • artefact

        After so many years since P&F it was not possible to identify the true cause of LENR. There were good insights but it seems “we” are stuck at a local minima.
        The best thing to do is to broaden our view and dig deeper from there to find a way to the botom of how it works.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for you kind words Suhas, keep well

      • georgehants

        suhas, I am a little worried about your saying “Let us not worry about the Haves and Have-nots.” could you clarify please. Thank you.

    • artefact

      Small version of the F&P floor eat through?

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is that, however, what have I picked out in the photo is telling us more and we have seen it before also

        • artefact

          something grew inside because the inner space is bigger then the entry to the hole?

  • Engineer48

    Bob,

    Here is the explanation as to why the Cuprite that formed from the Lion copper windings shows a Red reflection:

    https://www.gemdat.org/gem-1172.html

    “Cuprite was first described in 1845 and the name derives from the Latin “cuprum” for its copper content.

    Cuprite forms well-developed cubic crystals.

    It shows internal reflections of the deep garnet-red colour inside the almost black crystal.

    Cuprite has metallic luster and very high refractive index.

    Cuprite produces attractive cabochons and fine faceted stones, but it is very soft and brittle.”

    • Bob Greenyer

      Certainly brittle. But it is a single amorphous blob that fractured during cooling, in the area surrounding the core core. As you get to the surface there are things that appear more like standard copper oxides and the surface is more typical.

  • Engineer48

    Cuprite can form rods, tubes and ribbons on the surface of Cuprite crystals:

    http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/arc/cuprite.htm

    Would seem to explain what Bob saw on the Lion reactor Cuprite surface.

    • Stephen

      Interesting find E48… I’ve long been impressed with your observations and expertise as an Engineer.

      But This materials/minerology aspect of your knowledge that you are revealing is just as interesting.

      I’m curious if these kinds of features can form under specific conditions…

      If so i wonder if it could give a window on the environment such as thermal environment but maybe also some other aspects like presence of oxygen, electrostatic environment etc

      Does it require Cuperus Oxide vapor to form these tendrils. Or can it cryralise out of a liquid? Can it form directly from oxidation of copper in solid an liquid form?

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Frost*

      Chi. Use the force Luke!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Bingo

        • Frost*

          Quantum foam perhaps? Dark energy?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Scale is arbitrary, and relative to the observer.

    • georgehants

      Morning Bob, things are becoming very exciting.

      • Bob Greenyer

        What I have to share – and it is evolving very fast, is so beautiful it will make you cry. The universe is much simpler then we are told. How did we get so stupid?

        Soon it will be ‘Back to the Future’

        • georgehants

          Bob, Is there any chance that your discoveries include consciousness?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Listen to the ‘Windmills of your mind’ song, study the lyrics, then you have your answer.

          • georgehants

            Wow, Wow, Wow, so you may bring a little light into Plato,s cave.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We have been here before.

            What once was, will be again.

          • georgehants

            I hope you mean reincarnation and not just a pointless repeat and copy of a previous existence, without the opportunity to improve on the last one.

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is only ‘O’, what we do that is against ‘O’, we do to ourselves.

          • georgehants

            We will just have to wait for “O” day then.

          • Frost*

            I hope it’s not like Waiting for God’O’t!! Argghh…

          • Bob Greenyer

            haha – very funny

          • Bob Greenyer

            Working as fast as I can

    • Engineer48
      • Bob Greenyer

        yes

      • Bob Greenyer

        Why is it important?

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    We need the solution…

    https://youtu.be/5-dEQca863w

  • Bob Greenyer

    ‘O’ Day is coming…

    What is a halo?

    No, what is it really?

  • Bob Greenyer

    ‘O’ Day is coming…

    How is building smashing things together? It is nothing but a world driven on violence. Time to change.

  • Bob Greenyer

    “Like a snowball down a mountain”

    https://youtu.be/mBT3Gjw1mNM

  • Bob Greenyer

    ‘O’ can do and become on any scale, it is a fractal above and below that self sustains in the aether, it is a magnificence that links consciousness, space-time, energy/matter.

    And we forgot

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Frost*

      Looks like something has taken a bite out of the sample , like a cookie cutter.

      • Bob Greenyer

        And?

        • Frost*

          The sample has striations but the patch to the left of the hole has reacted in some way to form a pitted and scarred surface. Perhaps it has melted from heat? Just speculating here.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Excellent, you noticed the patch on the left, what does it look like?

          • Frost*

            Well it looks like a burn mark to me.

          • Stephen

            Are there other features likes this, just to rule out coincidences.

          • Bob Greenyer

            This mark IS NO COINCIDENCE, it is a fundamental part of ‘O’

            I don’t want to just tell people, I want them to KNOW it is the truth when they see it

          • Stephen

            Yup I think you are right. If there was just two marks next to each other I would wonder… but given the profile match and the possible other bite marks along the edge… There is something i think.

          • Stephen

            The “burn mark” looks a bit like the same shape as hole to my eyes. Almost as if there is a common cause and what caused the burn mark and hole moved perhaps was longer on one place than the other causing the hole rather than the burn.

          • Bob Greenyer

            NOW you are getting warmer!

            Keep thinking….

          • Frost*

            Are you heading in the ball lightning/charge clusters direction?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Only leading to ‘O’

          • Stephen

            I’m wondering if the profile of the burn an hole is a translation or a reflection?

            The profile of the hole is almost symmetric… round with a slight peak. But there are small changes in curve on the right and left side.

            The burn seems to follow the same profile but I wonder if the exact profile is reflection of the hole?

  • Bob Greenyer

    When sadly dying Ben Rich sad “We can do anything you can imagine, we can take ET back home’

    How did he say it could be done?

    Who is ET?

    • georgehants

      NIKOLA TESLA
      a very important scientist and
      inventor who is collaborating with ITC researchers from
      the afterlife realm said it best:

      “The day science begins to study non-physical
      phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade
      than in all the previous centuries of its existence.
      To understand the true nature of the universe, one must
      think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration.”

      • Bob Greenyer

        and its interaction with…?

        • georgehants

          Consciousness

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes

      • Engineer48

        Hi George,

        QM is all about

        Energy
        Frequency
        Vibration

        Only 1% of mass is inertial mass.

        The other 99% is energy acting like mass via m = e/c^2.

        • georgehants

          Engineer48, I follow the Quantum very closely waiting for the important answers, will Bob’s “O” day enlighten the situation, hope.

          • Engineer48

            Hi George,

            Time will tell.

  • georgehants

    Science News
    Quantum Theory Demonstrated: Observation Affects Reality
    REHOVOT, Israel, February 26, 1998–One of
    the most bizarre premises of quantum theory, which has long fascinated
    philosophers and physicists alike, states that by the very act of
    watching, the observer affects the observed reality.
    In a study reported in the February 26 issue of Nature (Vol. 391, pp.
    871-874), researchers at the Weizmann Institute of Science have now
    conducted a highly controlled experiment demonstrating how a beam of
    electrons is affected by the act of being observed. The experiment
    revealed that the greater the amount of “watching,” the greater the
    observer’s influence on what actually takes place.
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming….

    What does the big ‘iron rich sphere’ from the NOVA testing and its little brother below it have in common?

    Where do they differ? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/23a87985704769e21a355dc26c258b1dc4dc682978e10ef3196d0b5d9909bf6b.jpg

    • Stephen

      Really!? I will never be able to eat a pea again with out feeling guilty 😉

      • Bob Greenyer

        Why is it significant that it is in one of the ‘eyes’ ?

      • Bob Greenyer

        What are they eyes?

        • Stephen

          I thought they were pits… but could they be bumps?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Are they both?

          • Stephen

            Hmm interesting… you could be right in high resolution when opening the picture it does look like the right hand ones are a holes and the left hand ones are peaks.. I think

          • Bob Greenyer

            What do you see in the bottom right going into one of the poles of a particle?

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2 has landed, LION replication

    HUGE thanks to the author of LION for such a speedy hangover.

    Claims that it self sustained for days and is in an extraordinary state – we will find out later.

    https://youtu.be/5Oe5UDoCJ60

    • Frost*

      Noooo!!! Get that puppy open now! 🙂 I wonder if the reactor has become a solid gold bar?????

    • artefact

      Livestream .. Yeaaa 🙂
      3 hours. Good job LION!

      • Bob Greenyer

        Days – not hours

        • artefact

          jep. I was too enthusiastic to think about what i write.

  • interstellar hobo

    This overhype has been exhibited over and over. I suppose it is a good thing that a certain member of MFMP is impervious to embarassment, but why take down the rest of the members as well? It’s sad seeing them distance themselves at times. So now MFMP is moving into full blown panpsychism?

    Just say what you have or don’t say anything until you have it, and let the scientific process sort it out.

  • Alan Smith

    Hi Bruce. We have plenty of control tubes to use when testing LION’s fuel mix. That’s why the Lookingforheat Model T reactor has two ports- one for test, and one for control. Before we start messing with any of LION’s variables we need to replicate the effect by copying the procedure as closely as possible. Never give in to the idea that ‘you know better than the inventor’ until you have tested his ideas thoroughly. Repeat first, develop afterwards.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some good suggestions.

    ‘O Day’ is based on the full experience of the MFMP, every major effort contributed to the understanding and the deductions is based on data already public from these experimental threads and others.

    – Celani
    – Piantelli
    – Parkhomov
    – me356
    – NOVA
    – ECCO
    – Hutchison Effect
    – LION

  • Axil Axil

    The advancement in the understanding of nature that the deep comprehension of LENR purtendes is so profound it is leading people who understand it into a state of euphoria.

    I beleive that Bob Greenyer is going through this condition. On occasion, I myself have expressed the star trek euphoria.

    Fabiani is another guy who has gone through the star trek euphoria upon seeing LENR in action in Rosso’s experiments. It is far more than energy production; remember what Fadiani said in his interview.

    “I have really seen… Did you see Blade Runner? The quote at the end, ‘I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe’. It’s true. I assure you that I have seen things that only I, Rossi and a few other people saw. We really saw things… I really saw the new frontier of energy. There is nothing in comparison. You cannot imagine. I speak of the E-CatX* and many others of Rossi’s experiments. We have tried lots of things, and we have made some twenty and more different reactors. And I can assure you that with some of them we have truly seen a new world. Energy density, reaction capacity, in the sense of things never seen. The new frontier of energy.”

    “The field that this reaction opens up is so vast that it’s almost impossible to imagine all the capabilities and possibilities. I have always been a lover of science fiction, and yet I was never able to believe that the famous starships you see in the movies would become possible, because it seemed too far away. But I have to say that when I saw what Rossi was able to open, I’m seeing that world getting closer. Maybe before I die I will see those starships. Yes, it’s a child’s dream.”

    So cut Bob some slack, he is just going through the star trek euphoria in his own way.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I went through it last year. Now I have, what I believe is, incontrovertible proof.

      I am utterly stunned – the exact same things signature is in Suhas, Hutchison, LION, Egely, unequivocally the same. I just have to look at the data already shared last year – happened again today.

      Someone put a spell on the world so that they could not see it.

      This truely is New (Eternal) Technology – how did we get so stupid?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Axil. It will be interesting to see how people handle things when I say what I have to say, particularly as the evidence is SO STRONG, I expect a very broad range of reactions, some of them VERY STRONG on either side of the spectrum.

    • TomR

      Thank you Axil for posting this, I am very disappointed in the people that are hassling Bob about how he is revealing things. Thank you Bob for all the human beings in the universes.

  • Bob Greenyer

    O Day is coming…

    The slug that punched a hole in this close up of a Soliton hole / triangle is made of Carbon, Oxygen and Calcium, all expected – why?

    So wonderful that its containment collapsed before making it all the way through.

    Again… Where is the triangle pointing?

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e721ba498e1bf4b1268e6d8a040bf92dec1871602434d6cb625c9e3b463e7761.jpg

    • artefact

      To a border of three magnetic domains?

      • Bob Greenyer

        no

        • artefact

          to where the solition is (or was)

          • Bob Greenyer

            No, keep thinking.

  • Bob Greenyer

    All raw SEM/EDS data to date from the LION 1 reactor

    https://goo.gl/cALnQn

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    Ok – going to lab… so tired!

  • artefact

    The stream is being set up:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLSvz45M10s

  • artefact

    Now the stream is online:

    LION 2 Unboxing

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rE9TcchZh8

    • Axil Axil

      Could the E-Field anomaly be produced by muon emissions?

      Place some copper over the hole(as per Holmlid) or some lead and detect for muon activated secondary nuclear reactions such as neutron emissions, gamma, alpha and beta emissions.

      • artefact

        The anomaly was gone when the reactor was away from the metal frame table.

        • Axil Axil

          Holmlid has shown that the production of muons increases in the presence of fluorescent light. It might be that the placement of the reactor on the floor and under the table cut the light and that low light condition might have produced a reduction of muon generation.

          A better test is to check for E-Field on the table in a shaded condition and a lighted condition where the intensity of the light is low or bright. Place a shade over the reactor and then test for the E-Field.

          Or test the reactor for an e-field on the floor but exposed to a bright light.

          IMHO it is unlikely that the table is producing an e-field in the alumina, an insulator.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Watch the video.

            No E field when reactor on the floor.

          • Stephen

            My unrelated to LENR mind was curious about this. When I saw it. You have very good materials and engineering knowledge. So I’m curious Is this a known property of alumina. When in proximity to metal? And electric cabling? Is it some kind of inductance?

            Curiously the table was also on top of the carpet. But there was s pike of cabling there.

            If there is an effect we should be very careful similar disturbances do not occur with other materials in other experiments.

            Would it help to ground or better insulate the table?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Stephen,

            My suggestion.

            Keep the meter stationary.

            Move the dics or reactor block toward or away from the stationary meter.

            Observe the change.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It may be a property of Alumina as Charlie Tapp notes above however, we know from Hutchison that you need a static e-field (not massive V/cm) to make it work, and so this property of the alumina may have actually resulted in a ‘working’ device.

  • Stephen

    Yup I was wondering about that spot but didn’t make the connection. Well spotted.

  • Alan Smith

    Looks like the Quartz tube is showing some signs of melting at the fractured end…that means seriously hot- 1700C +

    • Bob Greenyer

      Or, something else

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Lets do the science 1st and if there are no explanations, then we move on to non science stuff.

        • Bob Greenyer

          E48, I am being scientific, you will look very foolish in the future saying things like this.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            At least you know where I stand.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am being scientific. I am seeing something, and, because I did not pre-judge, I have now seen it all through our experiments.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            What happens happens.

            Lets analyse the data and learn from what it can teach us.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Congratulations Alan for you significant role in enabling this.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LION 2, Macro Photoset

    https://goo.gl/24aB9K

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Nice photos.

      The melted Copper has turned into both Cuprite, Cu20 with red glints, and Tenorite, CuO with gold glint. Very clear to see the two oxides of Copper.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        Did Lion provide the temp data for the Lion2 reactor meltdown?

        • Bob Greenyer

          He had a K-Type, Besides, this may not need the temp.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Someone help me. I saw in the earlier video a tube that was wound with copper that appears to have melted — something about silver.

    On this video Bob puts what appears to be some kind of E&M meter near the boxed LION reactor which came from it’s inventor. I see a lot of thermal camera imagery which is requires piecing together the geometry of the camera and reactor to interpret. Then, later in the video, the reactor appears to be broken in half and perhaps melted — it appears as if it is some kind of fuzed glass impregnated with metallic grey substance.

    What exactly is this LION, was it still putting out energy when it came in the box? From Bob’s comments below he thinks he has incontrovertible proof of something like an LENR reaction. That would be great. Can we glean this from watching the video and putting a pencil to paper or must we do other observations not shown to arrive at that conclusion.

    -Confused

    • kenko1

      LION = Little Indians Orbiting Nucleus

      • suhas R

        Hi Kenko
        Just a Joke No Serious Science with Due Respect to my INDIAN Community
        Indians are Too MANY IN NUMBER so LIon is

        LION= MION= MILLIONS INDIONS (like electrons Neutrons etc) ORBITING NUCLEUS
        Must be resulting in Excess Heat with the Impact of Collisions HAHAHAHA
        Suhas Ralkar

      • Anon2012_2014

        Ok, that’s an acronym — don’t know what it means.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LENR is REAL – this was a 100% Replication, I don’t even need an SEM, maybe you can see from all the clues leading up to ‘O Day’ but this puppy, LION 2, went above and beyond. Very soon, you will know the signs.

    It’s game on guys!

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/047b34454f55db04ba61addb6c186d9b5368b28d06778780c85ee5da2a55dfb2.jpg

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Suggest the gold is from the Copper oxide Tenorite, CuO. It can show a gold glint in reflection.

      • Bob Greenyer

        There is a specific tell, that shows me this is successful LENR – and it is all over these photos

        no SEM necessary

        NO ONE needs to push this further – this needs no improvement, it needs dialling back!

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob,

          Your show, your call.

          For me I would be doing EDS on the quartz tube end, the quartz section detached from the quartz tube but fused to the Cu oxide melt, the alumina tube end and the melted blob inside the alumina tube.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            What amazes me is there is almost no signs of heating inside the inner alumina tube.

            It is as it the heating was external, ie occurred outside the inner alumina tube.

            There are no signs of heating or material exiting from inside the alumina tube as the broken edges are very white.

            Very strange.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Parts of the Alumina tube appears to have been removed.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Only way to know for sure is to remove the section inside the block and try to join the 2 pieces of the alumina tube.

            Question.

            Why would Lion remove a section of the alumina tube prior to shipping to you?

            Why didn’t Lion send you the temp data for this reactor?

            You do realise that is 2 Lion reactors wirh no temp data? Does that concern you?

          • Bob Greenyer

            NO, I mean the process has done it – look at the photos, wide variation in thickness.

            Alumina normally melts at over 2000ºC

          • Bob Greenyer

            I believe he is going to supply the data – but I think I know what it will say

            Both extreme heat and EXTREME COLD, often VERY close together.

          • artefact

            I think the “robot” was not enclosed in something. So the parts could have fallen into the box. Better to have a look inside.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Good point, worth a look.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I will try and arrange SEM / EDS next week.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bruce

    LENR is Real, I have corroborating evidence in this room spanning from 1986 till today – EXACT same things on each.

    I don’t know how we got so stupid.

  • Da Phys

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
    A good reading. Let’s take some distance and evaluate all evidence in front of all hypotheses available. In other words, let’s apply the scientific method to understand LENR.

    • georgehants

      The “scientific method” for different reasons over thousands of years has been in many cases to deny and hide anything not acceptable to the holy priests of science, the same today,
      Today science is a fringe religion where anything not deemed to fit the holy thinking is debunked and hidden from the earliest days of our Wonderful students education, such as has happened with Cold Fusion.
      Would you like to discuss the current scientific past life Research or the Evidence for UFO’s or would you say such subjects are not science.
      Every subject to do with our existence is science, but many areas create great fear in our sad uneducated establishment.

      • Da Phys

        To have an open mind and to assess the validity of the various conjectures (I include EVOs among them) in view of the available evidence are hopefully not exclusive. Both are required to understand LENR. For example, as rightly pointed out by Eng48, the fact that the source of heat appears to be outside the alumina tube requires an explanation. Many theories still assume that heat is mainly produced at the reaction site. Delocalization of heat requires a transport of “something”, possibly associated to the “strange radiations” observed in many LENR experiments.

        • georgehants

          Wonderful, that you semi- agree that one cannot progress in science without an open-mind.
          Then of course the logical commonsense of Research and Experiment must do it’s work and prove any theory, conjecture, opinion, etc.
          That is where we are with Bob’s current position.
          Any preexisting science is irrelevant if he can show Evidence of it being superseded.
          I agree we need more, that Bob has promised.

          • Da Phys

            I think you didn’t get my point. My point is that any person who is in a position to present some new experimental evidence (not many in LENR one should admit, those who do shoud be commended for that) should be careful not to use the new information in a way that confirms his/her preexisting beliefs, but simply as a new additionnal piece of the puzzle.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Ds Physics,

      It is the only PROVEN way to understand data as presented.

  • Alan Smith

    First plan for LFH is to run a control experiment without treated diamond pads (using plain Ni pads) for an extended period, just to see what happens to the Cu Wire wrapping in the ModelT reactor environment. Though first task associated with that is to build a batch of reactors exactly like the Mk2 Model T and send one if them to LION.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Alan,

      So far there is no evidence of any heat generation inside the Lion 2 alumina fuel tube.

      The inside walls of the alumina fuel tube are showing very little if no reaction.

      Based on the quartz melting, it appears the heat might have been externally applied.

      • Alan Smith

        I agree that there is little evidence of heat at the very core of the fuel-tube assembly. However, that does not rule out the possibility that radiation (of some kind) is being produced inside the fuel tubes and being thermalised by the Cu wire wrapping.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Seriously, you need to look at all the images I have shared of different experiments by different authors, the answer is there in the photos.

          I need to get some more sleep and then I will go and take more photos under studio lighting and video.

          Then I will try and finish the slides part of my presentation this weekend. I need to make a model of what causes LENR to make it trivial to grasp.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob who wrote:
            “I need to make a model of what causes LENR to make it trivial to grasp.”

            Can’t wait. Bring it on!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Neither can I.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          Agree that outbound photons from the fuel tube, from soft XRay down to 50kHz, would be thermalised by the copper or copper oxide layer.

          However the black body thermal radiation from the copper layer should be directed both up and down.

          So if the up bound black body IR photons melted the quartz at 1,700C, so too would down bound black body photons should have melted the Ni discs.

          Yet Bob showed them virtually the same as they came off the pad.

          Every fuel tube analysis has shown a war zone, with massively transformed and melted fuel.

          Yet with Lion 2, the fuel tube looks pristine.

          Plus again Lion has not provided any temp datam

        • Bob Greenyer

          Good news is, there appeared to be no Gamma, Beta or Alpha, and LION author said the neutron detectors did not show anything.

  • Alan Smith

    If Bob has the bolt I would like a spec on that – it is M5 Panhead for sure, but how long and is it stainless steel as I suspect, and also what is the Cu wrapping wire diameter. All vital info for building a control tube.

    • artefact

      In the “Mining diamonds” video it says it is a 7 – 7.5 cm bolt. To know the exact size would be better though.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yesterday I shared the full August 2017 SEM/EDS – the analysis is there.

  • Alan Smith

    This paper is also of interest in the current set-up.

    http://pubs.rsc.org/-/content/articlepdf/2016/ra/c6ra22712k

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good to know.

    However, this may be very important to LION actually working.

    • Axil Axil

      There us a lot of science that can be applied to the alumina e-field generation that you have seen.

      Is this e-field generation a general property of alumina that always appears?

      Does it occur only when it is activated by the reactor?

      Is this e-field production important in getting the reactor to function?

      Have the reactor changes the lumen in a way that give it a new property as an antenna?

      Is e-field generation by the alumina sensitive to light, before it was used in the reactor or only after?

      And so on…

  • Bob Greenyer

    All part of the human condition.

    I stand by everything I said, moreover, only because I said that was so much more data made available to the project, like ECCO, NOVA, LION and Hutchison. All of these have been critical in decoding this.

    Let’s see how people handle ‘O Day’ – I know it will not be easy.

  • Axil Axil

    I am captivated by the observation that the alumina insolation of the reactor shows a e-field of 140 volts per meter when that insolation is positioned on the table and drops to 5 volts/meter when moved under the table. The way Bob left this observation is that the table ws produinging the static charge that the alumina was picking up.

    But if the alumina is producing static charge up to 140 v/m, tht charge would be maintained by the alumina during the move to and from the tables surface. I t looks like the e-field is generated by a dynamic process based on its location on the table and changes when it is moved.

    The fuel also shows the generation of an e-field of about 40 v/m.

    Is this e-field generation a general property of alumina that always appears? It it is, I have wouldn’t have expected this property to manifest.

    Does e-field generation occur only when it is activated by the reactor?

    Is this intrinsic property of alumina for e-field production important in getting the reactor to function?

    Has the reactor changed the lumen in a way that give it a new property as some sort of e-field antenna?

    Is e-field generation by the alumina sensitive to light, before it was used in the reactor or only after its use?

    While Alan is waiting for more data from Bob, he might test the alumina insulation to see how alumina that has not been used as insulation for the reactor behaves to produce a baseline for normal behavior of that material. He should try to get virgin alumina to behave as seen after it is used in the reactor. If he can do this, I will be shocked.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Why was it thought that and E-Field test might be valuable on LION2?

      1. John Hutchison always had a static electric field, without it, no results.
      2. ‘Tractor Beam – Bending the rules’ video, odd things going on in LION 1 EDS analysis.
      3. The attached affect seen in the very first test of Basic NOVA ash.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d6d2bdfd1fdb0d98c7cb56b73696c7a3aca004349b88c2ad08155f43a1ecdf40.gif

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have a hunch that it may change with application of heat – so tomorrow I am going to heat the core up with a hair dryer and see if the field strength alters.

      • Axil Axil

        Am I wrong to expect that if a wire to ground is connected to the alumina, that a current should flow through that wire if the initial e-field is 140 V/M?

        If current does flow, will the alumina be discharged permanently like a capacitor, or will that charge reformulate. If the e-field is eventually established when located on the table, how long does the e-field take to reappear?

        If the e-field does reapperat, how much power can be extracted from the alumina per fixed timeframe?

        Can the table be used as a power source? I’m kidding…

        • Bob Greenyer

          I don’t think that is a joke. It seamed to recover instantly.

          John Hutchisons Crystal power cells generated power continuously.

          We can run tests in next live session.

    • Alan Smith

      ‘If he can do this, I will be shocked’.

      Not as shocked as I would be.