E-Cat QX Plant Characteristics

I put a few new questions to Andrea Ross today about the E-Cat QX plants he is preparing for.

Frank Acland
February 1, 2018 at 8:29 PM
Dear Andrea,

1. Will the first E-Cat Plants be equipped with heat exchangers and plumbing that will allow them to produce easily hot water / steam?

2. Will you be able to easily attach the plant to the existing hot water / steam systems?

3. Will the first E-Cat Plants be capable of delivering supercritical steam?

4. Will it be possible for plant operators to adjust the temperature of the plant to meet their needs?

5. What will be the approximate cost of a 1MW plant?

Andrea Rossi
February 1, 2018 at 9:42 PM
Frank Acland:
1- depends on the utilizations they are deployed for
2- yes
3- see 1
4- yes
5- tbd
Warm Regards,
AR

So it sounds like the first E-Cat plants will be designed to be versatile, and controllable, and probably the plants will need different appendages depending on the use based on Rossi’s answers to questions 1 and 3. If they can be easily adapted to existing heating systems, and if the price is not prohibitive, replacing a gas, oil, or coal furnace with an E-Cat plant could be an attractive option for all kinds of operations. Rossi has said previously that the first plants will be rated at 1 MW, and that multiple plants can be combined for higher power.

The big question of course is whether these plants will actually appear on the market as projected by Andrea Rossi, and at what cost. We can’t know for sure at this point. Each person will have their own conclusion about that for now. But if they do end up becoming available, and the cost is not prohibitive, they could be a very attractive option for businesses who want to move away from fossil fuel powered furnaces to something cleaner and cheaper.

  • Gerard McEk

    I would say that the design for a 600 deg. C steam unit for generating electricity is quite different from a 90 deg.C hot water system for heating buildings. I am interested to know to which AR aims at first. I would assume the hot water system, though.

    • Omega Z

      One would want to start with the simplest heat use and progressively move on to the more complex. This allows for the learning curve.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Your assumption appears to be based upon a comparison to existing systems. This is a comparison of smaller modular units to singular large units. I am not a steam engineer so I cannot answer the question but it seems to me that the critical factor would be whether small units capable of producing that higher quality of steam can be combined without having to be up-scaled to handle some requirement like higher pressure. I do know that there is a direct relationship between the quality of steam and the pressure.

      http://www.turnkeyips.com/assets/steam_temperature_pressure_table.pdf

  • Buck

    The above post triggered me to ask a clarifying question of Rossi about how his plant design fits with his production and business development plans. Given the nature of my question, this is as much of a confirmation as one might expect from Rossi. Presuming all good things about the E-Cat QX performance, which I do, the IPO will be something for the record books.
    Link>> https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/011215/top-10-largest-global-ipos-all-time.asp
    Link>> http://www.finra.org/investors/5-biggest-us-ipos-all-time

    Regarding his Latin quote, I had to look it up . . . I laughed and laughed. This guy is feeling exuberant and can just barely keep himself grounded, IMHO. It reminds me of Ed Wynn in “We Love to Laugh”, a childhood favorite.

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    Buck
    February 2, 2018 at 2:11 PM

    Dear Andrea,

    there is nothing more enjoyable than seeing you in such a positive mood after the Stockholm demonstration. You appear to have a clear path to your goal: the E-Cat QX in the marketplace.

    You’ve suggested that your expanded complex team has substantially modified the QX in preparation for market release. You’ve shared with Frank Acland the ‘new’ E-Cat QX will be a highly adaptable heat source capable of meeting the needs of many industrial applications. And, of course you’ve stated that the IPO of E-Cat company would come on the initial success in the industrial marketplace.

    All of this suggests a business development plan that will greatly and positively impact the IPO’s acceptance by investors: You can and
    will work with different OEM’s supplying E-Cats to different industries having very different performance requirements. These OEMs will then configure and build the ‘interface’ between the E-Cat and the particular industrial application’s heat/steam requirements.

    Does this fairly represent your path to your IPO? If it is, I think the market for your IPO will be enormous and you will easily obtain the financing for the massive attack upon the “heat source” market you envision.

    Of course, my best to you, your complex team, and your tennis coach.

    Buck

    ps. Does your tennis coach still feel that you don’t bring enough heat to your game?

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    Andrea Rossi
    February 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM

    Buck:

    Thank you for your sustain and insight.

    About the tennis coach: nemo propheta in patria.

    Warm Regards

    A.R.

  • Richard Hill

    Rossi is a businesman he would price his product at or below the alternative. The main alternative to the 1 MW QX would be waste heat from a 300MW diesel genset. Yoe would need a heat exchanger ets. Tottal less than USD100k.

  • sam

    Jackie
    February 1, 2018 at 9:52 PM
    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    Has the Ecat QX been already substantially modified in direction of the industrialization?
    Cheers
    Jackie

    Andrea Rossi
    February 2, 2018 at 11:42 AM
    Jackie:
    Yes. In this period we already made an enormous work.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • causal observer

    These provide a sense of the industrial market:
    https://www.chromalox.com
    https://www.sigmathermal.com
    http://nphheaters.com/

    The search term is “industrial process heaters”. The phrase “industrial process” seems to separate out the home water heaters.

    Interestingly, a lot of these products ARE electrically powered.
    So there is a subset of the market for carbon fuel-based heaters, where the working fluid or target fluid is heated via diesel etc.

  • sam

    Gennady

    February 4, 2018 at 9:43 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    As you open first automated factory to produce 1 MW eCat QX.

    1. How many units are you anticipating to produce per day, week, month, year?

    2. Also, since the units are going to be much smaller than original
    container size, what is the pricing that you anticipate per unit?

    3. What would be the cost of recharging a unit on the annual bases?

    4. Do you also have a forecast of the total cost of operating a unit per year (human operator, maintenance, input energy, etc)?

    Regards,

    Gennady

    Andrea Rossi

    February 4, 2018 at 11:15 AM
    Gennady:

    1- confidential
    2- premature
    3- irrelevant
    4- this information will be defined in the proposals when we will be ready to sell
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    February 6, 2018 at 7:44 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    1. If you have defined exactly what the robots will have to do, are there robots already available that can do the job, or do custom robots need to be made?

    2. Has your workforce increased in number since the beginning of 2018?

    3. Has your prototype been performing in a satisfactory way?

    4. How would you describe the mood of your team these days?

    Kind regards,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    February 6, 2018 at 9:54 PM
    Frank Acland:
    1- the software is custom, the robots are off the shelf
    2- yes
    3- yes
    4- under strong pressure, because I am very nervous to succeed to sell the industrial plants within 2018. We re all under strong pressure, because every day that passes is a day less at our disposal. Time is not reversible, unfortunately. This is a race against time and relax is not an option
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • Buck

    Rossi has a price in mind and has chosen to share the upper limit of what the price wont be. Now, what does “much less” equate to in $ ?

    Price of a 900kW wind turbine = 1.4 million British pounds.
    Link>> http://www.renewablesfirst.co.uk/windpower/windpower-learning-centre/how-much-does-a-farm-wind-turbine-small-wind-farm-turbine-cost/

    “you can assume that a 1 MW solar farm would cost roughly $1 million to install”
    Link>> https://news.energysage.com/solar-farms-start-one/

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    MH
    February 8, 2018 at 3:59 AM

    Mr Rossi,
    Will the 1 MW plants cost less that 1.5 million $, as they were offered for until now?
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    Andrea Rossi
    February 8, 2018 at 1:23 PM

    MH:

    Yes, much less.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

  • Buck

    The following exchange Frank and Andrea suggests that Rossi & Partner(s) are going through an intense study of competitive pricing analysis. Further, that they will release this highly important information probably no earlier than at the “introduction to market” presentation.

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    Frank Acland
    February 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM

    Dear Andrea,

    I realize you cannot give precise values yet, but when you say a 1 MW E-Cat QX would cost “much less” than the old plants quoted at $1.5 million each, which of the following would be closest:
    a) 1/2 the cost
    b) 1/4 the cost
    c) 1/10 the cost

    Thank you if you can answer,

    Frank Acland
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    Andrea Rossi
    February 8, 2018 at 5:21 PM

    Frank Acland:

    Still confidential.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

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