Italy Invests 500 million Euros In Hot Fusion Research (ENEA)

Thanks to Vinney for posting the following comment

Italy invests Euro 500 million in Hot Fusion research.

In the latest news, the existing INFN nuclear facility in Frascati (near Rome) will host a Centre for Excellence in Hot Fusion research using an ENEA patented DTT (tokamak) based reactor.

http://www.enea.it/en/news-enea/news/energy-fusion-dtt-project-soon-to-be-implemented-in-italy

Excerpt:

“EUROfusion[1] The DTT (Divertor Tokamak Test Facility), a 500 million euro project with the objective of setting up a strategic nuclear fusion infrastructure in Italy, has made a step forward. After the resolution approved by the 10th Standing Committee of the Chamber of Deputies (Productive Activities, Trade and Tourism), committing the Government to take initiatives aiming at implementing the project in Italy, Eurofusion decided to organise a workshop devoted at analysing the DTT proposal in the light of the fusion Road Map.”

Many foreign governments are also contributing a small portion of the funds. The reactor itself will be 10X smaller than the ITER facility.

I hope Rossi is on-track to put an end to this absurd waste of funds. These sorts of funds spent on LENR research would go 100X further, and employ thousands more researchers, in discrete and relevant research programs.

Clearly, Rossi ( and the E-cat) still has very little traction in Italian research circles, not withstanding the efforts Preparata, De Giudice, Violante, Piantelli, Focardi and Celani.

  • orsobubu

    Since Italy cannot have fission plants (after two negative popular consultations) and since cannot have nuclear weapons (after two world wars went not so brilliantly), the italian capitalistic scientific, industrial and financial apparatuses turned to fusion research to push their national miserable imperialistic agenda. There is absolutely no way Italy will quit this commitment, because this effort is driven by geostrategical positioning on the world chessboard where powers confront each other. This will be true even if it will become crystal clear that Rossi’s technology is incomparably better than hot fusion.

    • Fibber McGourlick

      All that’s needed to stop the hot fusion industry is an irreproachable, independent, successful demonstration of the Rossi or some other cold fusion reactor. When that happens, the world will be transformed forever, almost on the instant.

      • HS61AF91

        I would suggest such an instant is already upon us, sans public disclosure. Only the grasp of influential power holds this Orb in its technological infancy.

  • akupaku

    I can well understand the critique against current hot fusion research when many interesting and apparently more viable approaches to hot fusion seem to exist. To my mind comes a google tech talk by the American physicist Robert Bussard where he criticizes the ITER and gives fascinating details about his own brain child the inertial electrostatic confinement (IEC) fusor, also known as the Polywell fusor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk6z1vP4Eo8).

    Another similar project is the Focus fusion project advocated by Eric Lerner also in another google tech talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4w_dzSvVaM).

    Both talks are well worth listening to all hot fusion enthusiasts. They really make you think whether the gigantic amounts of money spent on ITER related fusion research is really well spent. Of course, it is not anymore only a question about the science but academic prestige and the livelihood of thousands of researchers and corporations and their economic interests. It is not easy to criticize research that provides your next paycheck. The ITER project runs forward on its own gigantic inertia and billions of dollars of funding regardless of the viability and practicality of the approach.

    Both above approaches (IEC and Focus) could provide small localized power stations that would make users independent of big centralized power stations. What a horrible idea for many governments, totally independent communities that are not dependent on anything outside. ITER would be the complete opposite as a monstrous centralized power stations.

    And BTW the reality of cold fusion is in no way dependent on Rossi. Massive publicly available research proves the reality of cold fusion beyond any reasonable doubt.

  • cashmemorz

    It is not so much about how Rossi’s device works or not, but the fact that governments and major institutions such as NASA , Boeing, AirBus, Mitsubishi, Toyota and several other large interests have patents in LENR, should show the powers that be, that there is something to LENR, at least as much as in hot fusion or more so. It is not an even comparison between hot fusion and LENR. Where hot fusion results are barely geting any( less then 1 percent of that put in) amounts of net heat or other energy out after huge amounts of energy in, LENR has been seen as geting larger and larger multiples of energy out as compared to energy in. Also the transmutaion successes of Mitsubishi and several other places are a net positive for LENR that is not only head and soulders above hot fusion, but nearly a whole body above hot fusion. The off shoots and side issues of hot fusion spin offs are the major confirmed research results from that area. Understanding of plasma’s is a natural side issue that is mandatory, if hot fusion has achieved anything. LENR type research is also getting a few spin-offs in specialty materials. So is that an even comparison between the two field? I’ll leave ti to you to look at the detailed history of the two area of fusion. What the history shows is that the lack of progress is more due to or more likely that it is not fusion, hot or cold, in either case. No one knows what the theories are that would make either work properly. Will more money do it? That is like throwing any kind of fluid on a fire and hoping one of them is water. That is hit and miss, mostly miss. We all hope that one of the attempts is a hit. Time is getting very stretched for hot fusion since the 1950’s= over 60 years. Cold fusion/LENR major history is from the 1980’s= 30 years. If Rossi’s device is out in the market within the year, and the customers are satisfied as to effective COP as promised, then we will have that as a high point for LENR. Nothing of the same is expected from the hot fusio arena for at least 10 years, more like 20.

    • Mylan

      Thing is, if Boeing, AirBus, Mitsubishi or Toyota would believe that LENR had the potential for a high COP, they would throw a loooooot of money at the research. But they don’t seem to. Therefore the activities and results of these companies, if anything, make me rather pessimistic about the potential of LENR

  • causal observer

    Prediction: we will see commercial proof of Rossi’s products before we see €50M (let alone €500M) actually spent on the Italian hot fusion reactor.

  • Bob Greenyer

    4 years ago, Francesco Celani – from INFN, was telling me that this exact figure was ready to be invested in Fusion.

    I suspect that some of if will actually find its way into LENR.

    • causal observer

      In fact, this could be a strategic move to get the funding approved, allocated and ready to go when LENR breaks through, covering both bets, and positioning Italy in the race. Since there is a high probability that the funding authorities are aware of LENR, there is a good chance that have considered this strategy.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes.

  • greggoble

    Tiny tokamaks are fine for research… plenty around. Large ones seem a waste of money. I would like to see this funding spread around to all types of hot fusion and LENR research.

    Tribal? Horse race?

    Maybe its herd mentality?

    Would Italy have retained Rossi if they were aware of how much money and effort the U.S. government was investing in LENR applied engineering and research in 2011?

    Of course that begs the questions, Why is Rossi in the U.S.? How did he get here? Did the U.S. government play a role?

    Would Italy join (for instance) MFMP et.al. with significant funding right now if they were aware of the significant U.S. LENR effort taking place at NASA GRC AEC right now?

    Consider the U.S. government throwing nearly half a million for a one year NASA LENR contract to a private company with only two employees; as but one example of the rather large amount of current funding found.

  • HS61AF91

    In search of the holy grail, from the deep pockets of US research cash, comes this solicitation to rediscover Dr. Rossi’s ‘wheel’:

    ” … Department of Energy Announces $39 million for Innovative Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Technologies Research and Development

    WASHINGTON, D.C. –
    Today, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) announced up to $39 million
    in available funding to support early stage research and development
    (R&D) of innovative hydrogen and fuel cell technologies. As one
    component of DOE’s portfolio, hydrogen and fuel cells can enable
    affordable and reliable energy that enhances economic growth and energy
    security. The work supported through this investment will address key
    early-stage technical challenges for fuel cells and for hydrogen fuel
    production, delivery, and storage related to hydrogen infrastructure.

    Anticipated R&D topics include:

    Topic 1: ElectroCat

    Platinum group metal-free oxygen reduction electrocatalyst and
    electrode R&D enabling cost-competitive polymer electrolyte membrane
    fuel cells, as part of DOE’s Energy Materials Network.

    Topic 2: [email protected]

    2a) Integrated Energy Production and Hydrogen Fueling R&D
    -innovative component and integration R&D enabling cost competitive
    stations.

    2b) Electrolyzer Manufacturing R&D – R&D to enable manufacturing techniques to reduce electrolyzer capital costs.

    2c) Breakthrough Infrastructure R&D – materials and component R&D to reduce cost and station footprint.

    Topic 3: Innovative Concepts

    3a) Innovative Fuel Cell Membrane R&D – non-polyfluorosulfonic
    acid and high temperature membrane types to address critical barriers
    and increase performance and durability while meeting cost targets.

    3b) Innovative Reversible and Liquid Fuel Cell Component R&D –
    innovative concepts for reversible fuel cells or direct liquid fuel
    cells.

    Concept papers are due May 7, 2018 and full applications will be
    due June 12, 2018. More information, application requirements, and
    instructions can be found on the EERE Funding Opportunity Exchange website.

    More information about DOE’s Fuel Cell Technologies Office can be found HERE. https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/fuel-cell-technologies-office … ”

    Could save a lot of beating around the bush, by just negotiating a bit with E-Cat contemporaries.

    • cashmemorz

      My feeling is that the funders will be looking at projects that have believable physics behind them. LENR, so far has too many disparate kinds of theories, more like educated quesses or hypotheses, to use the proper scientific method in applcable terminology. Until someone gets an AHA moment in tying all of the available clues into something that should work predictably and then runs a few different kinds of experiments to confirm that, we all wait and.. make more pop-corn…

      • HS61AF91

        Looks like it, Cash. With the exponential almost expansion of knowledge digitally distributed, the old tried and true scientific method of progress may be left in the dust of real discovery. I like movie theater buttered popcorn, as I observe such progress happening in ‘unbelievable’ ways.

  • Vinney

    Another example of ‘small is good’ when it comes to research.
    Now, a tabletop turbine using CO2 cycle instead of steam can potentially power 15,000 homes.
    https://futurism.com/meet-desk-sized-turbine-can-power-small-town/

    We have known of the potential of the CO2 cycle for same time, but this demonstrates a small turbine.
    This coupled with Rossi’s E-cat will stop huge fusion projects with their centralised grids very quickly.

    • Vinney

      Just how small would a CO2 turbine need to be to power an electric automobile almost directly.
      Apparently the CO2 cycle also eliminates the long delays from water/steam power generation in the Carnot cycle. Very few batteries would be needed.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “Centre for Excellence in Hot Fusion”.

    That’s awesome!

    https://mikemonaco.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/airplane.jpg

    • HAL9000

      (pictured above) Tokamak salesman of the month.

  • Alex Passi

    A total waste of the taxpayer’s money.

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Vinney

      Welcome Alex,
      Are you the Italian translator of Matts Lewan’s book, ‘The Impossible Invention’.
      I totally agree, why build a second (albeit smaller) ITER, when the first is shaping up to be a massive ‘white elephant’.
      The problem is the construction of the reactor will cost most of the Euro 500 million.
      This project, like the ITER, is going to cost a lot more than initially budgeted.
      With any luck, it is delayed and the E-cat cones to market, then the ‘tokamak’ construction will be scrapped in favor of smaller projects examining the Rossi effect, or projects similar to ‘Saffire’. They will definitely be forced to ‘redesign’ their tokamak based on more accurate predictions, and made many times smaller again.

  • Bob Greenyer

    spam

  • Giorgio Vassallo

    A political meeting concerning the opportunity to finance the Divertor Tokamak Test Facility. LENR and DIA document (where Japan and Italy are considered leaders in LENR research) have been cited: https://www.facebook.com/davide.crippa.m5s/videos/1357395517685102/?fref=gs&dti=480651001946240&hc_location=group

    • Vinney

      Totally agree Professor Vassallo,
      Italy should concentrate on its strengths, and its many successes in LENR research.
      An example of underfunded projects, are Piantelli’s ‘Nichenergy’ (that also has business succession matters to contend with, which are ideal for a government entity).
      I know he is seeking private investment, but why not a public-private partnership, specially with the imminent release of the E-cat QX.
      Surely, the government (and ENEA) understand this is going to be a multi-trillion dollar business, and very quickly.
      There is strong competition from the ‘countless’ research bodies in the US (majority government and DOD funded incidently) with valuable patent assets that are now being revealed.
      Italy may loose its LENR advantage unless nurtured by this state funding.

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