Rossi: 50 Per Cent of the Way to Industrialization, “Working and Spending Hard”

Like many readers here, I am curious to know how things are progressing on the E-Cat project, so I asked Andrea Rossi about it today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics:

Frank Acland
May 4, 2018 at 4:20 PM
Dear Andrea,
On March 26, you said you were 40 per cent of the way towards:
a) perfection of the module to industrialize
b) industrialization system

What is your estimation of the same today (May 4th)?

Andrea Rossi
May 4, 2018 at 9:11 PM
Frank Acland:
a) 50% and we are in a very crucial period of tests of the version we deem ready for industrialization. We are working and spending hard
b) 50%, having resolved many problems
The work is brutal, but we gotta get the f…… top of the mountain. I still hope to introduce the industrialized Ecat QX by the end of the year.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It’s interesting to hear Rossi talking about “spending hard”, it implies that he has money from somewhere to spend. As far as being 50 per cent of the way to the finish line, it’s positive that there has been progress since March, and that he is still hopeful for a product introduction this year, however Rossi is often optimistic in his projections, so I wouldn’t feel too surprised if the launch was delayed until 2019. It sounds like a lot of hard work is going on and I wish his team all the best in their struggle.

  • Ophelia Rump

    This is no longer research. Schedules are contractual at this point.

    • Max Nozin

      Contractually confidential yes.

  • Gerard McEk

    50% At the beginning of the 5th month seems ahead of schedule to me. 🙂

  • Monty

    Rossi says a lot of things…

  • ebevogon

    typical Rossi, promise something, keep vague enough to provide an escape, his never ending game.

  • cashmemorz

    I tried to go to that site It seems to be OK. It is in Italian. So I got Google to translate. It shows Rossi’s Petroldragon history.

  • Jimr

    I have no idea what 50% means, but I hope he has a test unit in operation and in use by a customer by the end of the year. I believe he was hoping for the unit to be biult with 1kw SK modules but they are’nt ready as yet.

    • Manuel Cruz

      50% of the robot production chain, most likely

  • bkrharold

    I would have a lot more confidence in these progress reports, if Rossi would get SRI to certify his ecat, as he recently did for brouillon energy. There are no doubt significant technical obstacles, but apparently brouillon are making progress, based on the results.

    • LarryJ

      Brouillon is for real but their COP is still very low and does not appear to be improving. Rossi is not yet proven beyond any doubt but the evidence is strong and his results show continuing strong improvement.

      The results of the Bologna test, followed by the Ferrara test, followed by the Lugano test, followed by the 1 year industrial prototype test and finally by the Stockholme test all support an evolution that will soon see a product on the market.

      • bkrharold

        But that is my point, I believe in the validation by SRI because they have proved themselves trustworthy. That is why I am confident Brillouin have achieved COP > 1 on demand in a controllable way. I also have been following Rossis progress since 2011, but it is impossible to judge the accuracy of his statements.

        It doesn’t matter if the Brilliouin COP is low, as long as it is greater than 1. It is a proof of concept and a real validation from a trustworthy source. It is tempting to dream of the good that will come if Rossi really can really produce the high COP he claims, on demand, in a controllable way, but without proof, it will remain a dream.

        For the time being I will settle for the SRI report, it is solid evidence.

        If Rossi will submit his latest ecat to SRI fo be subjected to the same tests, and it passes with a COP greater then 1, even if it cannot produce energy readily on demand, or be controlled as easily as the Brillouin device, he will make a believer out of me.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    “Extremely threatening” (at 7:00 min, and 21:50 min.).
    29 years ago, they felt threatened by milliwatts of heat. Today Rossi has kilowatts!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avpoIAKvYmU

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Rossi and his crew are over the target.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhmFFtjB2qY

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    May 5, 2018 at 12:29 PM
    Dear Andrea,

    It’s good to hear your making progress and solving problems.

    You say you are “spending hard”; is your new spending mainly on:

    a) Workers
    b) Production technology (e.g. robotics)
    c) E-Cat components
    d) Buildings
    e) Something else

    Thank you!

    Frank Acland

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    Andrea Rossi
    May 5, 2018 at 4:37 PM
    Frank Acland:
    a+b+c+d+e
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • sam

    Viktor Scipachev
    May 5, 2018 at 3:19 PM
    Don’t you think the New Energy World Symposium is the most convenient place for the presentation of the industrialized Ecat?
    Godspeed,
    Viktor Scipachev

    Andrea Rossi
    May 5, 2018 at 4:16 PM
    Viktor Scipachev:
    We are taking in consideration all the possible solutions, to choose the one we will deem to be the best.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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  • georgehants

    It makes no sense that after 7/8 years of Rossi with his small enterprise, that no announcement, openly demonstrating a high Cop Cold Fusion device has not appeared anywhere in the World.
    Do they exist and everybody is keeping it secret, it seems impossible that Rossi still has some knowledge that these other massive Research facilities have not yet discovered.
    What is going on?

    • Frank Acland

      I think it is entirely possible that Rossi has important knowledge that no one else has. He is completely driven, works extremely hard, and is not inclined to share what he has discovered.

      • frank

        But why then he didn’t want to disclose his findings and earn the Nobel prize for his discoveries years ago? He would be the one who counts even if all other researchers would have have come up with copies, modified reactors and products, that would start to change our energy landscape long ago…Rossi has not much time to go to be recognized as the “real inventor” of the new fire…he could be as rich as hell if he would simply allow others to licence his technology, even without manufacturing his “own” energy plants.

        • Frank Acland

          Rossi’s goal has never been to be simply an inventor. His goal is to be industrialist, and I don’t think he would be satisfied with anything but bringing his technology to market. I don’t think he trusts anyone but himself to do it.

          • frank

            Such a project requires his full dedication to everything related. I am wondering why he still has tons of time to spend on his computer answering almost 24/7 the many questions on his blog. He doesn’t even seem to travel (who btw can really confirm that he was seen at O’Hare airport in Chicago?) which I would expect in case he has contracted a couple of companies for manufacturing, selling and servicing (incl. the swedish ABB?) and is setting up entire factories in the USA and in Sweden. Anybody living nearby in Florida who could simply say hello to him and check what he is doing? Or where his US factory is being equipped wiht robots and other equipment?

          • sam

            Answering questions from his blog will only take a few minutes of
            his time every day.He could grab his phone on break and answer.
            You just have to take his word that he was in Chicago.
            A.R. talks about his team who are likely doing the traveling
            to set up the factories.His time is best used on research on
            the QX and SK.
            A simple hello would only get a friendly hello back.

          • Omega Z

            Frank Acland has been to Miami and witnessed the QX in operation personally. By the way, Frank didn’t disclose this until many months latter when Rossi said it was ok. This is what you do when someone takes you in their confidence and allows you an inside peak.

            Frank Acland has “Integrity”. Something that seems to be rare these days, thus the reason Rossi needs to keep so much to himself. There are many who would love to steal Rossi’s technology and take the credit for themselves. Others still, would like to use his info to try and discredit him as they did with Pons and Fleischmann. Tho most would ignor any info Rossi shared as they are certain(P&F) it isn’t real or worth their time. Rossi is doing what is necessary to guarantee this technology comes to market. Doing it himself.

            I would point out that if you’ve paid close attention, Rossi has indicated that he will license this technology. Think ITEL Inside. His corporation, “Leonardo” will focus on manufacturing the modules and controllers(and endless R&D) for the products that others will build.

            Initially, Rossi will need to build a few heat production systems to work out any kinks in the technology and build a knowledge base. With very few exceptions, this is not a drop in replacement. It will require collaboration with others in their product development.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          The E-Cat is Rossi’s baby. He wants to shepherd it into the world.
          The Nobel Prize isn’t the be all and the end all.

        • LilyLover

          Rossi prizewill replace Nobel prize; why then, would he want the Nobel?

          Maximum widespread ECats is his goal. He’s adopting the fastest path with imposed constraints.

    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Alan DeAngelis
    • Alan DeAngelis

      Massive research facilities of the time could not find an antidiabetic substance in the pancreases but these unknowns from the sticks of Canada could.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA7jVqYOf2k

    • causal observer

      Too many false alarms, too much academic controversy, too much competitive desire to keep the news suppressed until they catch up, lobbying money and weapons program secrets, insiders don’t want to get sued and kicked out, only one guy has figured it out and he ain’t sayin’ much, planets aren’t aligned properly…it’s called “dependent causation”.

  • US_Citizen71

    If it takes another 6 years it will still be more than 4 times faster than what it has taken hot fusion so far.

    • f sedei

      Touche!

  • LarryJ

    I was comparing capability of COP with Brillouin but the 1MW prototype reactor tested in Doral showed capability of a product. Having said, we have crossed swords before and I know you are unconvincable.

    • frank

      The Doral Container may have at least looked like a kind of a product (why this did not go into production?), but you believe that the stuff that was on the table in Stockholm was even closer to a product? I am working since many years as a product manager in industry and I think I have an idea on product development and its challenges – and I cannot simply believe in “Rossi said so”. I want to see evidence, as many others here.

      • LarryJ

        Why the Doral reactor did not go into production?

        As you know there was a long drawn out court case over the Doral reactor test. Until that was resolved in Rossi’s favour he did not own the ecat IP or licenses for much of the world. Once resolved this past July the technology had moved on to the QX.

        Although Rossi cancelled IH’s licecenses immediately following their default of payment around Feb 2016 the cancellation could only be enforced by a court order showing breach of contract and thus the necessary lawsuit. Although Rossi was hoping to proceed with production it was unrealistic on his part to think he could proceed while the court case was under way.

    • Omega Z

      ha, Maybe with the QX, you can replace your sword in the future with a lightsaber. Cut through those swords like a hot knife through butter.

  • LarryJ

    Sounds like your next holiday plan. Don’t forget your camera. You can finally convince us all it’s all a sham and who knows. You might witness a world changing project and technology, assuming you don’t get arrested for stalking.

    • frank

      Rossi’s way of informing his audience doesn’t seem to worry you – but me and many others.
      I am sure you don’t have a problem with this and will find a nice excuse as usual…

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39d4baa0fd15689fe2dab83df0ca4ab37f9f6aa88d78e13238064c72cf006587.jpg

      • Frank Acland

        Plans have changed since this was written. This was written during the R&D period on the QX. The decision was made subsequent to this that the QX is much more suitable for industrialization than the older version of the E-Cat (which is now obsolete apparently), and so now they are preparing to industrialize the QX.

        It is clear you don’t have any faith in Andrea Rossi or the E-Cat. There’s no problem in you feeling that way, many others have come to the same conclusion. But this is not the site for these kinds of debates.

  • Gerard McEk

    In an answer to my question, Andrea says he is aiming at 100MW/y Ecat QX production capacity (easy scalable by the demand) by the end of this year.
    It sounds to me as a nice start, but if it does what has been promissed, the demand will call for a vast upscale of production.

    • Omega Z

      With few exceptions, It will require time for redeveloping current technology to adapt to this heat producing process, Rossi can increase capacity as the market grows.

  • sam

    I am on Fire to witness this world changing event.
    But with A.R. you have to have patcience.

  • LarryJ

    The lineup of experts Rossi fooled has grown embarassingly long

  • LarryJ

    Another ecat denier.

    You know this blog is primarily intended for those who believe the ecat is real. There are several other unmentionable blogs where ecat deniers are welcomed with open arms.

  • sam

    Steven N. Karels
    May 6, 2018 at 2:05 PM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,

    You posted the word “Modulated” in regards to the operation of the eCat modules but then also alluded to turning them on and off for control of the modules.

    Modulate means “to alter the amplitude or frequency of (an electromagnetic wave or other oscillation) in accordance with the variations of a second signal, typically one of a lower frequency.”

    1. Are you using modulation to mean a high rate of turning on and off of the eCat modules as a means of control?
    2. Or does the control of the module involve full power on for some long period of time and then off for some long period of time?
    3. Or does modulation mean partially turning on or off a module to achieve the desired output?

    Please clarify.

    Translate
    Andrea Rossi
    May 6, 2018 at 3:46 PM
    Steven N. Karels:
    1- yes
    2- no
    3- also yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

  • LarryJ

    If you are skeptical then make a debatable comment. Don’t just slag the ecat or Rossi.

  • The first ninety percent takes ten percent of the time. The last ten percent takes ninety percent of the time.

    Now you can do your calculations yourself….

  • sam

    Frank Acland
    May 13, 2018 at 8:13 AM

    Dear Andrea,
    Is there a substantial difference between the COP of the SK and the QX?
    Best wishes,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi

    May 13, 2018 at 1:07 PM
    Frank Acland:
    Yes, but “should be there” is more proper than “is there”.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

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