The Chiral Particle Radiation Hydrodynamics Effect (Axil Axil)

The following post has been submitted by Axil Axil

The flow of EMF radiation through plasma will separate particles based on their chirality. Since chiral particles migrate at different speeds when exposed to emf radiation, chiral particles will collect into separate regions and then further separate by their charge. This difference in how particles react to deal with photon momentum imparted by emf radiation and the then its subsequent absorption and later release of that energy is called chiral radiation hydrodynamics.

For the theory of how EMF radiation can separate chiral particles, see

Lateral optical force on chiral particles near a surface

In the SAFIRE experiment, multiple layers of chiral particles form. The emf emitted by the stimulating current flow is retarded and stored in each double layer. This storage mechanism is analogous to the way a wall comprised of many layers will retard a large wave.

The speed of light in that current flow is greatly slowed in response to the way hydrogen stores and releases that energy at its intrinsic natural resonance. This storage of this energy is amplified in each double layer as the emf energy moves to the outermost double layer until the outermost layer receives and stores an energy balance sufficient to generate hydrogen fusion that produces helium 3. This is the method in which the Radiation implosion based Teller–Ulam design for the hydrogen bomb works.

Radiation implosion

Tritium is not produced in this fusion reaction since the outermost double layer in which the fusion occurs is comprised of left handed chiral particles. Chiral particle separation insures that no radiation is generated by this fusion reaction.

The LENR reaction in SAFIRE

When the tungsten probe is inserted into a double layer, the Surface Plasmon Polaritons on the surface of the tungsten is excited through the release of the energy stored in the double layer. This high level of stored energy is converted into a polariton petal condensate as the density of polaritons grows large. The condensate generated by the LENR reaction and the chiral separation of particles in the double layer blocks all nuclear level radiation produced by the LENR reaction.

  • georgehants

    Axil, with your clear explanation do you think that the Quantum guys have the technology, know-how, to be able to confirm your above in a reasonable time and advance Cold Fusion utilisation?

    • Axil Axil


      I notices that the SAFIRE project is sending a person to ICCF-21 for some give and take.

      SAFIRE has submited a poster for ICCF-21 that states in part:

      “Further experimental plans to test for transmutation on the anode surface and within the double layers will be presented along with proposed nuclear reactions.”

      The SAFIRE science group knows that LENR is happening in their experiment and they are intent on understanding what is going on with regards to LENR. I think that they will do well.

    • greggoble

      From memory…

      NASA Bushnell… in an early LENR paper states, LENR is a fractal phenomenon?
      Something like that… I’ll try to find it.

  • sam

    “Numerical Methods for Radiation Hydrodynamics” – Jim Stone

  • causal observer
    • (a) A linearly polarized plane wave pushes a normal spherical particle forward. A standalone RH helix (c) and a standalone LH helix (e) will be pushed forward by radiation pressure. When the normal spherical particle is put near a substrate, (b) it still moves forward while the helical particles (d,f) are shifted in opposite directions by an anomalous lateral force. The arrows associated with the helical particles indicate the handedness. The substrate has the dimensions of l × w × t. (g) Dimensions of the helix particle. It has inner radius r=50 nm, outer radius R=150 nm and pitch P=300 nm.

      (This description is also from the above referenced document and I found it helpful.)

  • Axil Axil

    The proton proton (PP) fusion reaction is the most enigmatic nuclear reaction that you will ever run across. This reaction has concerned me a lot and still confuses me.

    Proton–proton chain reaction

    The PP reaction should not occur, but it is said to occur as the power source of the Sun as well as all the other stars because there is so much hydrogen involved in the energy cycle of the Sun.

    “In the Sun, deuterium-producing events are rare. Diprotons are the much more common result of proton–proton reactions within the star, and diprotons almost immediately decay back into two protons. Since the conversion of hydrogen to helium is slow, the complete conversion of the hydrogen in the core of the Sun is calculated to take more than 10^10 (ten billion) years.”

    The PP reaction should be impossible to happen here on earth, but there is evidence that helium is being generated in all sorts of LENR systems. Why does LENR make PP fusion possible or possible very likely to occur?

    The reason for a vibrant PP reaction to occur in LENR is the huge increase in the likelihood of weak force reactions. LENR boosts both the strength and probability for the weak force to manifest by huge amounts.

    We have seen this sort of weak force amplification happen in the transmutation of Ni58 to Ni62 and Ni64. In the Luano test, all the natural nickel isotopes were converted into Ni62. Where did all those extra neutrons come from to transmute all the Ni58 to Ni62?

    LENR generates a massive increase in the strength of the weak force that converts all those protons into neutrons. The weak force is there to change protons into neutrons to balance out and stabilize nuclear reactions.

    The occurrence of PP fusion in SAFIRE is actually a LENR reaction. The chiral separation of particle spins into right and left handed helicity produces this massive increase in the weak-force.

    In SAFIRE, protons are forced together so forcefully that they form diprotons. Diprotons are unstable and normally, the protons in that pairing are forced apart by like charge repulsion. But instead, the hyper-strong weak force then transmutes these diprotons into deuterium. Now the deuterium is easily transmuted into Helium 3 when another proton merges with the newly created deuterium.

    Rather that taking 10 billion years for deuterium to form from diprotons, it takes instead picosecons in the LENR envirnment established by particle chirality.

  • Axil Axil

    The plasmoid is one of the most ubiquitous causes of LENR, but it is not the underlying cause in the SAFIRE reaction. The plasmoid is a complicated and hard to understand cause of the LENR reaction, the plasmoid is full of quantum mechanical and optical complications that make it very obscure and intractable, but it is the mechanism that most LENR developers are using to produce the LENR reaction. SAFIRE produces energy from hydrogen proton proton fusion without the introduction of any metal into the plasma stream. It is the internal organization of the plasma itself that produces the LENR reaction.

    The SAFIRE LENR reaction is a totally pure and uncomplicated LENR reaction. It is a wonderful and informative case study of how LENR works.

    The plasmoid is usually the starting point in the creation of the LENR reaction. The plasmoid reduces down eventually after much complicated QM gyrations to produce the underlying factors that really produces LENR. But not any type of plasmoid can produce LENR. It takes a special kind of plasmoid to produce LENR. It takes a petal condensate soliton to create the type of quantum mechanical mechanisms that result in LENR. In other words, the petal condensate soliton will generate the same activity that SAFIRE can naturally instantiate in the double layers of its plasma format.

    When we insert a bit of metal in one of the double layers of the SAFIRE plasma, we can derive the petal condensate soliton on the surface of that metal. This ability to move up from a basic causation level to a more complicated levels shows us that the LENR reaction can be symmetric. The Hutchison effect uses this reaction symmetry to produce LENR effects in metals. This ability to move up the causation chain unlocks the quantum mechanical tools that LENR uses and makes them accessible at a macro level.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Condensed Plasmoid, EVO, Charge Cluster, micro ball lightening… It is a macro-scale fractal superstructure.

      • georgehants

        Morning Bob, hope you are feeling better.
        Axil’s work seems to be much in agreement with your thinking, is the MFMP situation in any way able to confirm the short sentence you have commented above.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Slightly, thanks.

          IMPO, most of the interesting things we have seen are due to these critters. More colour on that in the presentation I am preparing.

          • TVulgaris

            Any general idea how immediate that presentation is?
            I have a marathon situation here for the next two weeks and may drop out of the continuum completely, losing touch with what actually matters.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is not going to be that presentation, it is a prequel feeder – you will be able to digest it in a short frame of time.

            I have had a few matters get in the way of me getting it out the door, hopefully tomorrow.

  • Axil Axil

    There is not much of a difference between the SAFIRE architecture and the experimental setup of Alan’s experiment.

    Alan can change the input power format to DC current, the hydrogen to protium, and add the ability to change the pressure of the hydrogen. Alan can add a few diodes in this power circuit to get a DC current source, and that source might not need to be a high voltage one.

    What the SAFIRE project does to get the double layer plasma structure to form is to adjust the voltage and current as independent variables together with the pressure of the hydrogen until they see the development of the double layer structure in the plasma.

    It would be wonderful if LookingForHeat or some other willing experimenter could reproduce the SAFIRE plasma structure as a way to test the LENR reaction even if that inspection is done at a primitive level..

    • Axil – I’m an EE & industrial automation/controls engineer and as I indicated in replies to your 3/16 post on SAFIRE, I too am taken by its apparent simplicity. With your help/guidance, I’d be interested in building and conducting such an experiment, either on my own or in collaboration with others.

      • Axil Axil

        I think that phase 1 of SAFIRE is doable. A glass enclosure that holds hydrogen as seen below might be withing the capabilities of the The amateur scientist.

        See some Phase 1 experimental action in SAFIRE.

        • Can it scale down? My thoughts involve miniaturization and simplification. A small spherical cathode chamber penetrated with a tiny spherical anode (on tiny probe) in the center of the cathode/chamber. Plumbing & controlled regulation of H2 but no other probes. Basically use a micro-controller to monitor/record/control H2 pressure, V, A and cathode/chamber temperature and tune to get a plasma and hopefully double layers and rapid heating. Am I dreaming?

          • Axil Axil

            I think that downsizing the SAFIRE experiment will work. The key to the reaction is the formation of the double layer. I now beleive that the new Rossi SH reactor is using a pure plasma reaction like SAFIRE.

            It would be interesting if someone can ask Rossi if the SH rector is covered by the same patent as the QX. If not, the SH reactor is a pure plasma reaction and an open source one at that.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Depending on timing and where you are, the MFMP may be able to help with instrumentation and later analysis.

        • I’m located in Seattle area. I may also be able to help MFMP with micro-controller monitoring/logging/control of your experiments. I’m currently tide up with business and family projects but should have more time later in the year.

          • Bob Greenyer


  • georgehants

    Scientific American
    Quantum Physics May Be Even Spookier Than You Think
    A new experiment hints at surprising hidden mechanics of quantum superpositions
    By Philip Ball on May 21, 2018
    It is the central question in quantum mechanics, and no one knows the
    answer: What really happens in a superposition—the peculiar
    circumstance in which particles seem to be in two or more places or
    states at once? Now, in a forthcoming paper
    a team of researchers in Israel and Japan has proposed an experiment
    that could finally let us say something for sure about the nature of
    this puzzling phenomenon.
    Their experiment, which the researchers say could be carried out
    within a few months, should enable scientists to sneak a glance at where
    an object—in this case a particle of light, called a photon—actually
    resides when it is placed in a superposition. And the researchers
    predict the answer will be even stranger and more shocking than “two
    places at once.”
    Read more.

  • greggoble

    Still studying… aim to fully ‘polarize’ my brain till I fully understand chirality, as it relates to LENR etc. Your postings help alot.

    I’m still researching that NASA GRC AEC LENR group and came across this paper, does it have anything to do with chiral particles in LENR? If so, they most likely understand some of your understanding.

    “Polarized D+/Pd-D2O system: Hot spots and mini-explosions”

    I’m adding the following to chapter two of the review

    + Lawrence P.G. Forsley Research Fellow University of Texas at Austin, UT · Nuclear Engineering Teaching Laboratory, Vice President JWK, Chief Scientist Global Energy Corporation. Author of the *2009 November Defense Intelligence Agency LENR report (*see chapter one)

    ed side note – Lawrence has 43 papers listed at ResearchGate. It is interesting to note there are are no papers submitted by him for a ten year period, 1992 through 2002. During this time Lawrence collaborated with James Patterson, and purchased a RIFEX kit/research license… Jim was a pioneer claiming the transmutation of actinides to benign elements in a LENR process. These claims are similar to claims made by GEC.

    “My Recollections of Jim Patterson” By Lawrence P.G. Forsley (selected quotes)

    I developed a working relationship with Jim Patterson and his company, Clean Energy Technology Inc., in the mid-1990s, before the development of the company’s cold fusion demonstration kit called RIFEX (Reaction In a Film Excited complex).

    Eventually, we licensed a specific technology and, with one of my electrochemist colleagues, began doing experiments in my friend’s laboratory, at my lab in Annandale, Va., and in Jim Patterson’s “garage laboratory,” in Sarasota, Fla.

    I set out a goal for Jim, which he carried out and was even granted the patent on. I chose to not get involved with the patent application, because I didn’t believe his instrumentation reflected what the patent asserted.

    Jim and I continued to kibitz for a couple of years. At ICCF-7 in Vancouver, B.C., in 1997, I presented data from my experiments in which I had used Jim’s beads. However, before that conference, Jim and I had a meeting in Washington, D.C., coinciding with an American Nuclear Society meeting.

    I had concluded, as I would state in my ICCF-7 talk, that I had seen no evidence of LENR-induced isotopic shifts from an analysis of gases, solids or electrolyte using nuclear activation analysis (NAA), high resolution inductively coupled plasma mass spectroscopy (ICP/MS) or x-ray fluorescence (XRF).

    Jim was quite irate when I said this.

    “I didn’t pay you to get those kind of results!” he said.

    “Jim, you didn’t pay me,” I replied. “I paid you for a research license and for those damn beads!” – end quotes

    ed note – Also at ResearchGate, Mr. Forsley has the following archived project. A list of project papers and 211 referenced papers is found at the project archive. A full review of these items is worthwhile.

    project title “LENR in the Pd/D System” Goal: We are conducting studies to investigate low energy nuclear reactions (LENR) in the Pd/D system. It is hoped that these studies will provide an understanding of the processes going on inside the deuterated Pd lattice. Project collaborators are: Pamela Ann Boss, *Larry Forsley (*not on researchgate yet), Lawrence Forsley, Melvin Henry Miles, Michael Mckubre, Francis Tanzella, Jianer Bao, F. E. Gordon, Mitchell R. Swartz, and S. Szpak.

    Lawrence Forsley at UT Austin – title “Special Section: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions – Condensed matter nuclear reaction products observed in Pd/D co-deposition experiments” by Anand Aadhar and Lawrence Forsley

    Pd/D co-deposition has been used by a number of researchers to explore the condensed matter nuclear reactions occurring within the palladium lattice by generating highly loaded layers of lattice over the cathode. Reaction products that have been observed include heat, transmutation, tritium, energetic charged particles and neutrons. The results of these experiments are discussed here.

  • Axil Axil

    The Alan experiment has been conducted by young plasma students for over a 100 years. This goes to show that there is not much new under the Sun. The glow tube experiment is a demonstration of the Goldstein–Wehner law.


    Plasma Theory for Undergraduate Education – Missouri S&T

    More info here

    The SAFIRE experiment is the spherical version of this plasma tube experiment. The Double layers are produced in the plasma tube as well as in the spherical SAFIRE mode. What Alan did with the metal foil is identical to what SAFIRE did by inserting the Langmuir Probe into the double layer. The two experiments produced the same LENR effect when the metal was inserted into the double layer. In both these systems, the interaction between the metal and the double layer is to produce a population of surface plasmon polaritons that merge to generate a polariton BEC.

    In this plasmoid generation mode of the LENR reaction where the petal Condensate intercepts the energy output that the double layer reaction produces, that energy is reformatted in the singular way that the petal condensate is constrained to produce as a analog black hole. That reformatting process includes a very wasteful segment of the total output. The condensate produces muons (aka Meshuganon) with that fraction of total output energy that is essentially lost to the far field. Muons has a long delay time and they travel a long way from the place in which they were created. As Alan has observed, the generation of gamma radiation when the tube is heavily shielded is a sure sign that muons are being produced by the inserted metal surface.

    In the SAFIRE reaction, no condensate is formed and therefor all the energy that the LENR reaction produces in the formation of helium is retained as heat output. I predict that Helium 3 will be detected in a spectrogram of the gases in the glow tube over some extended period of its operation. Excess heat will also be produced by the glow tube in the same why that SAFIRE produces excess heat.

    Alan should take the glow tube experiment to ICCF-21. The SAFIRE people will greatly profit from the Muon demo.

    • Bob Greenyer

      IMPO, SAFIRE Has its heritage in Chernetskii Plasma Generator

      And, as ever, Dr. Harold Puthoff links the two directly,


      “Harold Puthoff, PhD

      Director, Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin”

      Slide 75

      One of at least two people from IAS listed.

      Note also, “Hathaway Consultancy Services” – looks pretty much like another organisation directly connected to Harold Puthoff

      George Hathaway had long time relationship with John Hutchison, and Harold Puthoff asked to work with John and sent representatives to study what he was doing…

      Harold Puthoff’s IAS worked for many years with Shoulders

      IAS donated money and resources to MFMP.

      • Axil Axil

        The production of excess electrons may be indicative of muon decay. I associate the appearance of muons in every case with plasmoids.

        For example, if a system is producing excess electrons, then its LENR reaction is centered on plasmoid production.

        The LION reactor produces excess electrons therefore its LENR reaction is produced by plasmoids.

        Rossi’s QX reactor can produce excess electrons, therefore the QX reactor is based on plasmoids.

        The Chernetskii Plasma Generator produces excess electrons. Therefore its reaction is based on plasmoids.

        The SAFIRE reaction does not produce excess electrons, therefore its reaction is not based on plasmoids and furthermore we can conclude that its reaction is different from the Chernetskii Plasma Generator’s reaction.

        A system that produces muons is very inefficient since most of its energy output is lost when muons escape the reactor.

        A system like SAFIRE is very efficient since most of its energy is converted to excess heat.

        But the fusion reaction in SAFIRE of 3 Mev is far less energy rich than the plasmoid reaction which gets its energy from the decay of nucleons at 1 Gev per reaction. But most of that energy is lost to muon escape.

        A SAFIRE system with metal in the double layers will produce plasmoids and if those muons were confined inside a magnetic bottle until those muons decay, a huge amount of heat and excess electrons will be produced.

        • Bob Greenyer

          They are all related.

          What is different is the feedstock.

          • Axil Axil

            Each layer of additional interaction, adds additional complexities to the output format produced by that interaction. The most significant additional interaction is Bose Einstein condinsation of polaritons. That added complication removes gamma radiation but it also adds particle production, namely muons.

            The Plasma tube experiment will just produce excess energy through the initiation of hydrogen fusion.

            However, if metal is introduced inside the tube, then plasmoids and associated muons will be produced. Polaritons will form on the surface of the metal and an alternative type of LENR reaction takes place. This alternative type of LENR produces different types of energy output.

            The SAFIRE reaction using double layers in hydrogen is the only pure fusion reaction that we have seen so far.

          • Bob Greenyer

            There is always [metal] ions in a ‘vacuum’ discharge – this was discovered and established over thirty years up to early 1960s. The metal comes from the electrodes. The book that came out of this work formed a core reference for shoulders.

            The SAFIRE reaction will release metal from the copper and the steel electrodes. You can see evidence particularly of this on photos of the large copper discs.

          • Axil Axil

            In the section of the SAFIRE video showing the large tungsten probe’s reaction to the plasma, there first was a large production of energy in the plasma that lasted a few seconds. This was the time that pumping of energy into the polaritons was underway. This was a time of high energy production. The plasma next failed but the surface of the tungsten probe still produced a large amount of energy from what the presenter terms thermionic emissions. This was the time when the surface of the tungsten was self pumping. We call this self sustain mode. The surface of the tungsten probe looked unaffected on the outside. It did not vaporize, but doubtless the surface released much metal vapor into the gas around the probe.

            There was a large amount of metal vapor in the gas around the tungsten probe and yet there was no production of a multi megawatt level of energy release as would be expected is the nano-particles that had condensed from the tungsten probe was the only carrier of the LENR reaction.

            This leads me to conclude that both the metal vapor from the probe, the metal surface of the probe, and a plasma only reaction are all producing the LENR reactions in the SAFIRE system.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Most of the interesting stuff happens when you have element spreads, the wider the better. Please see my making gold presentation – I would refer you to the one I am making at the moment, but it keeps getting delayed.

            Then you have to have an optimised control regime to skew the output, heat, light, electricity… and more.

            This system likes balance in many respects, and in the SAFIRE reactor, there is plenty of volume for the ball to both go up, and down.

          • Axil Axil

            I have been looking for someone who will attend ICCF-21 so that the person who will present the SAFIRE data can receive a proper education on the LENR reaction. Do you plan to attend and if so, will you be prepared to present your current thinking to the other participants at the conference?

          • Bob Greenyer

            I prefer not to be exclusive, especially at such an event with so many experienced patent pushers and people that have actively tried to destroy the MFMP and much independent research.

            MFMP will be represented at ICCF-21 and talking to the the guys from SAFIRE is an important objective of the members going.

          • Axil Axil

            According to my best understanding, we will be open source in our approach if what we teach each interested party the same lessons. Whatever we teach in public becomes open source. If we approach SAFIRE in public, what we say is open source and made available to all even if they apply that information to their particular situations.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I like SAFIRE front people because they are considering LENR – but given their advisors, this is unsurprising, and it is their advisors that are, well… let’s ask this question, what real meat and potatoes have they put into the public space?

          • Axil Axil

            It looks to me like from the little things that those front people say and what they have said in the past that they don’t say now, the SAFIRE backers are looking at eventually developing a LENR plasma reactor based on their research.

            They have criticized ITER on how that system abuses plasma and say that they now see how stable plasma can produce fusion without magnetic confinement.

            They don’t talk about the megawatt levels of energy produced in the outermost double layer.

            The SAFIRE experiment backers now see how and want to use SAFIRE processes to boil water.

            Regarding: “what real meat and potatoes have they put into the public space?”

            These SAFIRE experimenters are professional scientists and are constrained by their training and their culture to be closed mouthed about what they acutually think and claim.

            They are in the same position that Piantelli was in when he saw excess heat come out of his experiment.

            It would help the development of LENR as a field of science if the SAFIRE experimenters could avoid a lot of the decades long trial and error delays that Piantelli and the other LENR developers like him had to go through.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Regarding: “what real meat and potatoes have they put into the public space?”

            I am not talking here about the guys out front – I am talking about their advisors.

            I think that having SAFIRE representatives at ICCF21 will be very good for them – no better place.

  • sam

    Presentation of Synthestech business plan

    • Bob Greenyer


    • causal observer

      “I’ve got a bridge I’d like you to take a look at.”
      But who knows these days?

    • TVulgaris

      Totally off-topic, I’d say, but very interesting, nonetheless. (I’ll scrape some pennies together to buy a few STcoins, even if this is really marketing spam on this thread).
      If the cost of production for a material, however, drops through the floor for something (like iridium or rare isotopes) for which it is a critical price factor, it would inevitably distort the market- even for a influx of a tiny amount.

  • georgehants

    Public Release: 22-May-2018
    One-way roads for spin currents
    Singapore University of Technology and Design
    The spin is a type of angular momentum which is intrinsic to particles,
    grosso modo as if they were spinning on themselves. Particles can
    exchange their spin, and in this way spin currents can be formed in a
    material. Through years of research, scientists have learned how to
    control such spin currents in an analogous way such that they can
    control the flow of electrons, a field of physics known as spintronics.
    The study of the effect of strong interactions in quantum systems
    is particularly challenging, however, it is well known that strong
    interaction between quantum particles can completely change the
    properties of a system, making it, for instance, ferromagnetic,
    superconducting, etc. Strong interactions in spin systems can also allow
    for the generation of interesting transport properties in a material.
    Read more

    • causal observer

      Thanks, george, I thought this one was important enough to continue here (my bolds):

      “Researchers from Singapore University of Technology and Design (SUTD), University Insubria and Universidade Federal de Minas Gerais have shown a completely new approach to controlling spin currents based on strong spin-spin interactions, which results in diodes for spin current with a giant rectification. In this work the researchers demonstrated, both analytically and using advanced numerical simulations that, if the interactions are stronger than a certain magnitude the system can drastically change and becomes an insulator, preventing currents from flowing. Interestingly, this drastic change to insulating behaviour only occurs when trying to impose the current in one direction. When trying to drive a spin current in the opposite direction, the flow is possible and the system is not an insulator.

      These predictions, once tested in experiments with atoms near absolute zero temperature or with structures made of a few atoms deposited carefully on surfaces, can open the way to substantial progress in material science, and new devices can be built based on this principle.

      SUTD Assistant Professor D. Poletti, who led the research effort, states that: “This is a very interesting effect we have stumbled upon. Much more interesting physics is yet to be uncovered in strongly interacting spintronic systems, and this can lead to the creation of new technologies.”

  • Axil Axil

    A uncomplicated reactor concept might obviously emerge from the SAFIRE reaction.

    A stainless steel or nickel double walled plasma tube filled with an appropriate coolant has metal fins that are positioned to impinge into the double layers of a SAFIRE like plasma. The double layers will induce the LENR reaction on the surface of the metal fins. The fins could be filled with a circulating coolant.

    The SAFIRE reaction might be able to penetrate the surface of the metal fins and interact with the coolant flowing through the inside of the fins. The metal tube is confined in a magnetic bubble that confines any charged particles that might be generated by the SAFIRE reaction until those sub atomic particles decay and liberate their energy content.

    A coolant circulation pump could circulate the coolant through the double walled metal pipe and associated fins to a heat exchanger where the heat generated by the SAFIRE reaction could be converted in such a way to utilize the power contained therein.

    • gerold.s

      Regarding life open science and LENR open source approach…. If there is someone open to come up with a more concrete design concept, we are willing to support in 3D CAD modelling and manufacturing of mechanical components… I think you have my e-mail address.

  • /* The LENR reaction in SAFIRE */

    SAFIRE has no relationship to LENR and whole this article is incoherent BS glued from randomly choosen ideas and observations. Sorry.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Respectfully disagree, on the relationship to LENR. Moreover, members of the SAFIRE team think the same.

      What happened physically to the tungsten probes shows that SAFIRE is LENR capable.

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