Energy in the News: Desertec Africa-to-Europe Power Project in Trouble

BBC News is reporting that an ambitious project to generate huge amounts of renewable power in North Africa, and transmit it to Europe is in trouble. According the the article, two large companies, Siemens and Bosch, have pulled out of the Desertec project, and the government of Spain has recently decided not to sign a declaration of intent to provide funding for the project.

The overall goal of this plan is to increase the usage of renewable energy technologies such as concentrating solar power and photovoltaic plants by building them in sun-rich places like the Sahara desert, and use high voltage direct-current undersea cables to transmit it to Europe. Desertec is also looking at similar projects in Asia.

Siemens has recently announced that is leaving the solar business to concentrate on wind and hydro power technology, and this could have been a factor in its decision to pull out of Desertec. Whether they have their eye on LENR as a major player in the energy market is unknown at this point, but Desertec is the kind of project that would be in danger of becoming obselete should a LENR power production become a reality.

  • AstralProjectee

    Good, with or without Rossi I am confident that someone will make it to market soon with a super cheap energy device. So any investment in any other energy technology is a bad idea.

    • buffalo

      yes u may wana keep one eye on the new upcoming QUENCO device.this thing realy takes the cake.a whole bunch of 2nd law violations are on the way up.

      • Gaurau

        Confirmed is WATT range of output from Quenco.

        No alternative power for Dodge Viper yet.

        • daniel maris

          Quenco look well dodgy – just loads of stuff about licensing. I Would waste time on them until they demonstrate a marketable product.

          • georgehants

            Hydrobetatron ‏@Hydrotron_lab
            Ho caricato un video di @YouTube: http://youtu.be/YZs0yi6FdQs?a PRESENTAZIONE PROF. ABUNDO

          • buffalo

            quenco website may look like a blank tv screen at moment but the theory is there for evry1 to see,and try.the owner is even offering a 10000 dollar reward to any1 that can prove that the device is NOT a 2nd law violation(he has a few samples).

        • Bigwilly

          Easy Daniel,

          Dodgy? There website looks par for the course for us. Rossi could be quite easily labeled as dodgy. But some of us might disagree.

          BW

          • daniel maris

            Have Quenco got three physics professors backing them?

          • Bigwilly

            Does Prof Rossi?

            I know he had many highly regarded professors a year or two ago but I haven’t heard any rays of praise from them since.

            I for one believe they have been lured to the other side by unknown agents and interest but that is unsubstantiated.

            BW

          • GreenWin

            BW, have you been taking clandestine meetings with BS again?

          • Bigwilly

            Hi GreenWin,

            No. I dont agree with Bill Smiths views on the trends of technology.

            BW

        • buffalo

          uhmm,excuse me mr garau,a few watts/cm2 and a few nanometers thickness,now multiply by a thousand layers..

  • Martin

    The desert is an extremely delicate eco-system. Huge areas covered with solar power plants in the desert are not better than any other energy source when it comes to environmental issues.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Money is the problem, not eco-BlahBlah.

    • Peter_Roe

      I think the scorpions and snakes are probably safe on this occasion.

  • freethinker

    Solar energy is a decent proposition.

    Its clean, and uses something that we get in abundance. Not a resource hog. Not raping the earth while getting it (well – those solar cells need silicon, or similar …). Not polluting the world with what remains when the energy been harvested.

    Still, like would any hot-fusion reactor aimed for today, it would be a big energy plant, somewhere in no-where, most likely. One big central plant and infrastructure to move the energy to the user.

    Centralised, vulnerable, expensive, and cementing the forcing of consumers to stay in the big grid.

    So… My bet is with the new fire. In the end, I hope, it will be available to all people. Clean, abundant, inexpensive and unobtrusive to our planet.

    • Peter_Roe

      “Centralised, vulnerable, expensive, and cementing the forcing of consumers to stay in the big grid.” Vulnerability alone might be enough to give the proposers second thoughts. The owners would need a small army to guard the installations and their cables in some of the most hostile and unstable areas of the world.

      Ensuring that consumers would be stuck with grid supplies would probably be seen as a plus, though.

      • freethinker

        Yes,

        you are right about the grid. My thought there would be the monolithic, centralised huge grid (That kind of solutions maybe is not so commonplace today). Naturally, the grid is needed in one shape or another, but I hope for dynamic smart grid solutions.

        You know, such that the whole by far exceeds the sum of the parts when you look at it. Distributed, agile, reconfigurable in the small scale as well in the large scale, but yet robust, powerful, almost omnipresent. And open for the consumers to deliver power to it.
        Owned by many, maintained by many.

        Yes I am dreaming the dreams of the uninitiated. But still, that would be something. But being the pessimist I am 🙂 I think this is not what we will see (initially) even with a good proliferation with LENR devices. Some players want to cash in on their investments first…

      • Iggy Dalrymple

        “The owners would need a small army to guard the installations and their cables in some of the most hostile and unstable areas of the world.”

        Yes, for protection from the “Religion of Peace”.

  • Sanjeev

    A good decision by Siemens. Solar PV cell is essentially a decentralized tech, its already costlier than traditional plants and the cost of maintaining it in a remote insecure desert and transmitting to EU would be impractical.

    US is poised to become the #1 oil and gas producer in the world, so probably EU doesn’t need non-traditional sources at this time, they will get cheap oil, in other words, probably Siemens could not convince the stakeholders of any profits/advantages.

    From another angle, you don’t need to set up a plant in Sahara, look at Germany, they are a cold nation but are a leader in Solar/wind power, so is China. The warm nations like India and African countries can become totally independent of fossil fuels, using only Solar, but they are too poor and non-innovative to even take a step.

    Linking to LENR, probably Siemens has some inside info, but I’m not too sure of it.

    • sparks

      Whoa — nobody will get “cheap oil” in the future, not Europe, not the USA, not China. If you know something the rest of the informed world does not, please do share it and provide a citation or two! In a nutshell, oil will be on a relentless upward trend (subject to short-term bursts and dips) for the rest of our lives. The so-called US shale boom is strictly expensive oil, slow to extract, quick to deplete, and requiring the manufacture of thousands of extremely expensive drilling rigs if we hope to expand shale production. The only thing that will reduce the price of oil is something we do not want: Total economic collapse.

    • GreenWin

      It appears large providers are recognizing the inevitable growth of distributed energy systems. Regardless the fuel… transmitting energy over conductors, at great distances – has become archaic.

      • b4FreeEnergy

        Finally!

        And let’s hope it gets through this time …
        Most people still don’t know a thing about those possible new sorts of energy.
        They still laugh and still look at you with their eyes full of compassion with that naïve daydreamer!

        • Peter_Roe

          Before I started following this story and trying to peer behind the stage set, I had no real idea of just how deeply most people are conditioned by the ‘media’, and how utterly unable they are to think for themselves. Now that I am more aware of how things work, and of some of the literally life-threatening things that are going on behind a cynically constructed worldwide screen of lies – it scares the hell out of me.

          • GreenWin

            No need for fear, I think. Just steady insistence on knowing the truth. After all, “Know the truth, and it will set you free.”

            Best thing I learned in college. Beside party skills.

    • Mop

      I think Desertec wasn’t about solar PV cells. In the desert, it was to use simpler technology, concentrating sunlight with mirrors, or a setup with a giant transparent umbrella with a very high vertical concrete tube in its middle with a turbine. The main thing about Desertec was connecting everything.

      • Omega Z

        A problem not mentioned with the Desertec project. On going Terrorist attacks of the system to shut down Europe’s Energy System.

        This would give Credible Reason for NATO & the U.S. to keep a Large Military presence in the Area.

    • georgehants

      INFINITE ENERGY • ISSUE 106 • NOVEMBER/DECEMBER 2012
      Christy L. Frazier
      Popular Science Covers Cold Fusion
      “It is no great leap for the people at that conference
      to accept that Rossi is probably right. It is no big deal. Just about everyone at that conference has seen the cold fusion
      effect first-hand, including me. We have no doubt at all that
      cold fusion itself is real. We also think it is likely the Ni-H
      version works. A lot of us (including me) respect Piantelli
      and Focardi. Based on that, it is reasonable to conclude that
      Rossi’s claims are probably true.
      http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/popsci2012.pdf

  • georgehants

    Super-efficient solar-energy technology unveiled
    Tuesday, 20 November 2012
    Rice University scientists have unveiled a revolutionary new technology that uses nanoparticles to convert solar energy directly into steam. The new “solar steam” method from Rice’s Laboratory for Nanophotonics (LANP) is so effective it can even produce steam from icy cold water.
    http://machineslikeus.com/news/super-efficient-solar-energy-technology-unveiled

  • georgehants

    Steven Jones replica: Pons & Fleischmann XS Heat not from fusion
    by Sterling D. Allan
    Pure Energy Systems News
    Jones is experimenting with a bell electrode setup that strongly evidences excess (xs) energy and has similarities to the cell presented by Pons and Fleischmann. He says that there are at least two distinct phenomena in these experiments and that “fusion” is not what most of these “CF” or “LENR” types of arrangements exhibit.
    http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica–Pons_and_Fleischmann_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/

    • Ivone Martin FitzGerald

      I find that very interesting – that the helium products and the nickel not turning into copper, and the energy production are unrelated – so it’s not E-mc^2. I’ve seen the presentation, Steven E. Jones thinks it is Dark Energy – but Dark Energy is very dilute.

      • Peter_Roe

        The concepts of ‘dark energy’ and ‘dark matter’ are really just kludges to try to make the ‘standard model’ fit observations. As they can’t be detected or characterised, its a bit difficult to see how Jones can invoke dark energy as an ‘explanation’. It’s a shame people can’t just admit that they don’t know what is happening quite yet, and that more data is needed.

        • GreenWin

          Really Peter. Except for a few minor items like where 94% of all matter in the universe is hiding… scientists know exactly how our physical world works!

          • Peter_Roe

            And a few other small problems, such as not having any clue as to why the universe appears to be expanding at an accelerating rate, why quasars do not show gravitational time dilation effects, or why there are so many anomalies in observed ‘red shifts’ (http://electric-cosmos.org/arp.htm).

            … and of course being completely unable so far to explain ‘LENR’…

            Its so much easier to just deny that such ‘problems’ exist.

    • Lemuel

      Some of you engineering types might cast your eyes over this patent recently granted to Siemens (Oct 2012). It relates to a mechanism to capture and cool steam in a ‘combined cycle’ power system and recycle it, and also to produce potable water (say, in areas where water is a finite resource).

      Might there perhaps be a correlation between it and Rossi’s E-Cat?

      I include the abstract here which outlines the patent’s application where it specifies that it applies to a gas turbine/ steam turbine/ driving a generator, but, the last paragraph of the granted patent (see below) appears to throw the net of control of the patent far wider.

      “A method and system for augmenting the output of a combined cycle power plant having a gas turbine driving a generator, a heat recovery steam generator that recovers exhaust heat from the gas turbine to drive a steam turbine also driving a generator, and a refrigeration element that is powered by available energy in steam exhausted from the steam turbine to cool water. The refrigeration element employs a substantially closed cycle refrigeration system that is either an absorption chilling system or a thermal compression chilling system. The refrigeration element provides cool water to an inlet chiller arranged to chill inlet to the gas turbine to augment the power output of the gas turbine and the water is recirculated to be chilled and used again. Since the refrigeration cycle is substantially closed, little or no additional plant water consumption is imposed on the power plant”…………..

      “The invention has been described herein in terms of preferred embodiments and methodologies considered to represent the best mode of carrying out the invention. However, the invention should not be construed to be limited by the illustrated embodiments. In fact, a wide variety of additions, deletions, and modifications might well be made to the illustrated embodiments without departing from the spirit and scope of the invention as set forth in the claims”.
      http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=82,86,431.PN.&OS=PN/82,86,431&RS=PN/82,86,431

      • Peter_Roe

        The application seems very specific to gas turbine driven plant, in that it is concerned with maximising turbine power by cooling intake air, and with extracting useful work from the hot exhaust. Of course, some of the technology would probably be tranferrable to CF usage, and as you suggest, to incidental water purification. The trailing paragraph is probably just a standard catch-all.

  • georgehants

    A New Power Generation Technique
    November 19, 2012
    A Louisiana Tech University and University of Texas at Arlington team of professors and Louisiana Tech graduate students have created a hybrid nanomaterial that can be used to convert light and thermal energy into electrical current as a thermoelectric generator.
    http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2012/11/19/a-new-power-generation-technique/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NewEnergyAndFuel+%28New+Energy+and+Fuel%29

    • Peter_Roe

      Morning George. Quite a few teams seem to be working on carbon nanotube TEGs – all at low efficiencies so far I think. I suppose the intention is to build better PVs but it would be nice to think that the technology might come in handy for CF reactors in due course.

      • georgehants

        Morning Peter, I had a new report on chem-trails that was interesting, but I cannot now find it, sorry.
        Much happening around, a little different from two years ago when news about Cold Fusion etc. was hard to come by.
        I think Mr. Rossi is shortly going to come across with good news.
        I will add of course, that is just my (possibly) wishful thinking.
        Also a good report below but for some reason it has gone to the deadly moderation.
        —–
        http://www.infinite-energy.com/images/pdfs/popsci2012.pdf

        • Peter_Roe

          George, further down the page I made a comment about things that I’ve recently learned that scare the sh*t out of me. As you mention it, chemtrails are probably at number one in this respect (nuclear cover-up is a close second).

          I won’t offer any links as this is not the place, but I do strongly urge anyone who thinks this is conspiracy stuff to do some serious research on the topic. Or just watch the sky on a clear bright morning, as blue is turned into gray haze by grid patterns of trails nowhere near flight paths, that persist for hours and gradually spread out into a uniform layer.

          • georgehants

            Peter, I think we are extremely lucky on these pages that Admin is aware that the terrible treatment endured by P&F, Rossi et al, and all of Cold Fusion, extends far and wide in science.
            Cold Fusion gives the opertunity for scientists to look at themselves and decide if the premier occupation in this World should continue to be an Establishment, Dogma, following Club for the elite and manipulative religion that they force on science, or as it should be a fraternity of competent, searching, open-minded professionals doing SCIENCE.
            Many other seemingly unrelated subjects are entwined to the Cold Fusion fiasco, that has shown clearly that science in many areas is a disaster.
            These pages are in my opinion serving a great purpose in giving the opertunity to those apparently few “caring” scientists to air their views and possible needed corrections to the dire situation.

          • Peter_Roe

            It’s possible that some kind of ‘permission’ is now being granted to look into CF, but without this, it is still career suicide to venture off the reservation in science, media and politics.

            It is the depth and extent of control in these areas that frightens me. If literally no-one outside a few web blogs can factually cover issues such as CF, AGW, chemtrails and so on, the resulting general ignorance allows the string pullers to almost literally do whatever they like.

            Massive and ongoing geo-engineering almost in plain sight, involving worldwide aerial spraying of aluminium, bismuth and strontium compounds and worse is the most urgent of many issues that a complete lack of public knowledge or democratic oversight has allowed to occur, but there are many others.

          • georgehants

            This is one of the few places in the World where Facts and Evidence can be discussed relativity safe from the overwhelming majority of seemingly unending numbers of ECN like mentalities.
            Even here, any suggestion of thinking outside of the establishment constructed box by simply observing the, near swear word, TRUTH, is mostly, quickly ignored or passed by as a “little silly”.
            Until the end there is always the future.

          • Peter_Roe

            Right on all counts. Kudos to Admin for creating an maintaining this blog.

          • Karl

            I’m quite puzzled why I hardy get any substantial information when instructing Google to send news about Could Fusion and LENR. I’ve set this on Google UK in this case which I normally work with (although I’m located in Sweden). Have anyone some experience here or can Google be part of a censorship?

  • Sophie P

    A polite way of saying “We’re not putting Europe’s power supply in the Middle East, it wouldn’t last six months. That’s just asking for trouble.”