Rossi on Factories

Andrea Rossi has responded on his Journal of Nuclear Physics Site to a question asking about his manufacturing facilities and a request for pictures of them:

Dear Brian:
Our factories are in the USA. We have a R&D center in Italy wherein we also manufacture prototypes. We are programming a manufacturing center in Sweden. All the other information are confidential, let alone the photos.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

There’s not a whole lot to go on there, of course, but I think it is probably safe to say that if Rossi now has a partner in the United States who is already a manufacturing company (as AR says), that the E-Cats will be manufactured in its factories.

  • daniel maris

    Let’s hope that’s right admin.:)

    In some ways it’s more plausible I think. The USA I feel would be more open to big e cat generators as a market I reckon, given its more devolved nature and its geography.

    • kasom
      • daniel maris

        Clearly nothing to do with Rossi’s machine. But will cause (unintended?) confusion.

        • Michael

          The catalytic burner/heater Hotcat was introduced in 2003 and it is no strange process, just well known “combustion” technology.

          • daniel maris

            Makes you wonder: didn’t Rossi do a google search on the name Hot Cat?

          • Michael

            Who knows. His usual single-word answer should be sufficient.

            At least he should stop using that name now to avoid confusion with existing products.

  • Silvio Balatelli

    Our factories are in the USA. …..confidential, let alone the photos

    I wonder why we have videos and plenty of reports of demo units, blog comments at various levels of technical detail, but absolutely nothing about the factories. Why is it so confidential? To show pictures or video of the factory (like inside wide angle), if it exists, does not reveal confidential details. It would greatly help to gain more confidence that the robots, employees and manufacturing is real.

    • b4FreeEnergy

      What do you think would happen if he would release the location of his factories or production units? (Even with inside pictures people will get hints or recognize something)

      Paparazzi all over the place in no time …

      If you try to focus and get something done this is the last thing you want to happen!

      • Hugo

        I doubt there are any Paparazzi on Rossi’s tail because (apart from maybe 200 people in the world who happen to gather in places like this blog) nobody even knows about him… or cares. If a Paparazzi would want to know, he would follow him around and find whatever factory or lab or whatever there is. He would find other people working there and he would get at least one of them to talk. Or he would find out that there is nothing apart from a laptop in a flat somewhere in Miami.

    • captain

      The more the people will ask Rossi news of his factories, the more they receive adequate answers that confuse them. There is a limit to curiosity.

      Rossi has to protects his interests in the best way he deems advisable.

      As well as mr. Karels who insistently asks to know the secret of Rossi’s reactor, and receives answers of don’t to disturb any longer on that matter.

      • Silvio Balatelli

        why is he then posting every fart in his blog, instead of working in peace ? It really makes no sense to me.

        • KD

          He is just answering questions of his readers.

        • Jim

          That comment is just plain abuse.

  • dzejk

    Climeon C3 news (blog) page if anyone interested

    http://c3fokus.blogspot.se/
    http://www.climeon.com/

    C3 was mentioned on these forums couple of months ago. It improves
    heat/energy recovery.

  • Someone at some point must have tried to trail AR to on of his factories. I’m a former PI, and they do that on a routine basis.

    • robyn wyrick

      I am sure that the Saudis, the Russians, the U.S., and everyone else with a major, geopolitical stake in the fate of energy policy have the means to do such investigation.

      But probably not the people that post at a place like this. You’re talking about tailing someone across international borders. Not something for the casual alternative energy enthusiast.

    • Hugo

      Someone would have to hire a PI first, find out what he wants to know and then have an interest to make that knowledge public. Apart from Rossi’s investors probably nobody wants to know desperately enough to spend real money only to satisfy their curiosity (I don’t). And the investors have to be outrageously faithful to even consider investing in the first place. So they probably don’t have any doubts and simply believe or are invested on such a small scale that hiring a PI would be way out of proportion.

  • CP in FL

    At this point I think the factories only exist in Rossi’s head. I live in Florida. It would not be that hard for me to drive to Rossi’s house and wait for him to go to work in the morning and follow him to his factory. However, I think this would be a waste of time because Rossi would only lead me to the local Starbucks.

    What possible harm would it be for Rossi to indicate the address of this factory and show a picture of the outside of it? I doubt anyone would even try to go to this factory. Until I see a working E-Cat I am calling BS on any more Rossi says crap.

    • Zaghlool

      “I live in Florida. It would not be that hard for me to drive to Rossi’s house and wait for him to go to work in the morning and follow him to his factory.”
      Well,I advise you not to do that, Rossi’s armed security guards will not leave you in peace if you follow his car in that manner.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Do it, follow him.

    • GreenWin

      Why is it so many of the tro11s here sound like they studied at the “Jack Webb School of Informants?”

  • Kim G Patterson

    Andrea Rossi has his own ideas of a factory.

    What we need to ask is: Andrea could you please
    give us your definition of a factory?

    He would be right, he does have a factory…

    He has a desk, he designs, he directs, he builds,
    he sells (1) ect… ect… this is his belief
    system, its his definition

    Ask Him!

    I believe he does have a factory under this definition.

    I love it.

    Respect
    Kim

    • Hugo

      Possibly, yes. However when he talks about a robotized production line, you’d have to scale it way down to fit into that picture.

      • Ransompw

        Hugo:

        Read Rossi’s comment, he said the production line was in production. Could mean any company in the world which makes production equipment. He didn’t say the production line was operating and making ecats. The problem with all of this speculation is just that, it is speculation. But if you interpret Rossi’s comment as though he has a factory with a roboticized production line in place and operating, you are inserting a lot of information he hasn’t said.

        Which is another problem with a lot of his comments and that is they can mean a number of things depending how you interpret them.

        I would advise you to ignore the Rossi says if you want certainty and sanity and just wait and watch if any third party information is ever forthcoming.

        • Hugo

          I haven’t claimed or interpreted Rossi’s comment as though he has a factory with a robotized production line in place and operating. Currently, the only person mixing up their own interpretation with things actually being said is you.

          • Ransompw

            Are you kidding? It sure seemed like that is what you were saying.

            Ok, if you aren’t saying that then what’s your point.

            Why are you concerned what Rossi says?

          • Hugo

            Read Kim’s post. I responded to that, saying that a robotized production line which Rossi is frequently talking about, would hardly fit into the picture of Rossi sitting at his desk and considering that being his factory.

            Nobody is forcing you to concern yourself with what Rossi says, however this blog is about the e-cat and as such there really isn’t anything to talk about other than Rossi quotes (read Frank’s post at the very top of this and most other pages in here since October 2011 if you don’t believe that).

          • Ransompw

            MY, give it a rest.

          • Bigwilly

            That’s your reply Ransom?

            Oh come on!

    • daniel maris

      A definition would help. There’s no reason you couldn’t start small.

      • Hugo

        Back in March Rossi wrote “I confirm that we are manufactiring a production line to make 1 million pcs per year”.

        If he is running the factory 24/7, that’d come down to a little less than 2 units per minute. You’d need material and parts and distribution from there which implies lots of logistics, a large truck arriving and leaving at least once an hour etc. You don’t do that in a small workshop. It’d be quite an operation – not a subtle, little hall in a back alley.

        • georgehants

          Dr David Whitehouse
          Harnessing the Power of the Stars
          In the 1950’s it was thought plentiful fusion power had been achieved. UK scientists announced to the world they had achieved a breakthrough using their ZETA project that stood for Zero Energy Thermonuclear Assembly. Soon afterwards it was realised they had been mistaken, and the incident has dogged the fusion effort ever since.
          http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-david-whitehouse/harnessing-the-power-of-t_b_955588.html

          • GreenWin

            Excellent article about the futility of hot fusion. Can we get our money back now?

        • daniel maris

          Well I suspect there would be several production lines. Also, you have to appreciate this machine would be a lot easier to assemble, having far fewer parts, than an automobile.

  • Fyodor

    Once again has *anyone* seen these factories? Even Rossi’s partners or allies? Why does their location have to be secret? Lots of companies develop advanced technology without hiding their factories.

    Defkalion’s address is published. They have shown pictures of their facilities. It’s not like you can look at a picture and tell the composition of Rossi’s catalyst.

    • Hugo

      I haven’t seen pictures of Defkalion’s production facilities other than an old, derelict building filled with random junk somewhere in Greece which they apparently no longer fancy since they now moved to Canada.

      • Cristiano

        Sorry for my English …
        I live in Ferrara (Italy). Almost every morning I see Rossi and his team go to work in one of its factories.

        At least one factory exist: there dress before!

        • georgehants

          Science News
          from universities, journals, and other research organizations
          Mystery Surrounding the Harnessing of Fusion Energy Unlocked
          Jan. 30, 2013 — The research of a multi-institutional team from the U.S., Japan, and France, led by Predrag S. Krstic of the Joint Institute for Computational Sciences and Jean Paul Allain of Purdue University has answered the question of how the behavior of plasma — the extremely hot gases of nuclear fusion — can be controlled with ultra-thin lithium films on graphite walls lining thermonuclear magnetic fusion devices.
          http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130131095316.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fmatter_energy%2Fchemistry+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Matter+%26+Energy+News+–+Chemistry%29

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Interesting, lithium and fusion keep popping up. Have we ruled out lithium to be Rossi catalyst?

        • Andre Blum

          Cristiano,

          Interesting. Can you tell us more? Do they go to the lab we know from the photos? Or another? How many people are involved?

          Andre

          • Cristiano

            Please note: translated from Italian with google translator

            the building is very big but there are a few people inside
            normally work 5/10 people, there are always 5 or 6 cars in front.

            could be the research center, where they try prototypes.
            the site is in Ferrara.

            Yesterday I saw a big truck in front, I have not seen what they have downloaded. unfortunately I had to go to work.

            If there are any developments I keep you informed

            “Long live the united states of america, you must know more than the Italians”

          • GreenWin

            Er, prolly not when it comes to cold fusion Cristiano!

          • Cristiano

            the entrance to the factory is also seen in this video
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHXc7NNMiWo

            Go to minute 5:55

            Then I will send you more pictures

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            Cristiano, thank you for your information. Could you give us the approximate address for the location? Or a nearby street intersection? Or a url for its image on google maps?

          • Cristiano

            It does not seem a good idea to post the coordinates.

            I want Rossi to produce as soon as possible, if we reveal the location of his factory, which will benefit Rossi?

          • powerpete
          • Cristiano

            ops…

          • Silvio Balatelli

            Google street view is great. This place is a joke. I wonder where are the security guards and factory gates ? It seems everybody can enter these premises. It looks like a backyard warehouse, not a high tech development center or factory for the greatest invention of this century.

        • Gerrit

          Photos !

          • Cristiano

            OK, when it starts next week I send you some pictures.
            I hope not to go trouble for privacy issues.

          • HeS

            +1

          • Ivan Mohorovicic
          • Cristiano

            exactly

          • admin

            I am pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that Rossi had moved his R&D operations from the Bologna warehouse where the Oct. 2011 demos were done to this place in Ferrara.

            Also, there was supposed to be a delivery of a 1 MW ‘warm cat’ plant at some point to a customer in Europe, Northern Italy, I think. I would guess it would be coming from this facility.

          • Andre Blum

            I don’ understand. The Oct 2011 lab and the ferrara lab are the same.

      • Jim

        I drove through Silicon Valley a few years ago and I did not see ONE in-development trade secret. I even stopped at Denny’s and asked. I’d say it’s all fluff.

  • Zaghlool

    Well, all USA factories already moved to China and other Asian nations,I think Andrea Rossi is currently very busy in the process of moving his factories to Korea.

    • GreenWin

      Zag, be careful of what is called “exaggeration.” There are hundred of thousands small and large factories in the USA. Automobiles being a major group, including brand new factories making electric vehicles for Tesla Motors in Freemont California.

      BTW, General Motors builds and sells the most popular car in China (Buick LaCrosse), with parts from the US.

  • KD

    Everybody just forget and ignore Rossi statement, repeated many times.
    The ready for sale product will be the proof the E-Cat is real.

    So we have to wait.
    The last statement about HOT 1MW E-Cat was, that first unit will go to customer in February/March.
    Even if first unit go to customer don’t mean that it is ready for mass production.
    It needs months of work, to find out if there are not any hidden problems which have to be corrected.
    Otherwise it might have financial consequences for the business.

    • Hugo

      No, the ready for sale product won’t prove anything because, according to Rossi, he already has a product on the market and already sold it to “normal” customers more than a year ago and still nothing is proven. Why would that be any different with the hot e-cat?

      • Jim

        Is there some kind of barking noise in here? Sort of a repetitive “arf, arf, arf” that does not convey any information?

    • daniel maris

      What? Wait forever? Never complaining? Like obedient dogs?

      • Peter_Roe

        Woof.

      • Edward Seven

        I am a dog. Woof. I owe my master obedience because he has trained me. It is what I am programmed to do. I never complain, unless I have to use the loo and the door is shut. I hope he feeds me today, because I am his good dog, therefor, he owes it to me. Does Rossi OWN you? Does he OWE you? Kinda doubt it.

        • GreenWin

          I jus wanna get my hot fusion tax dollars back!

  • Peter_Roe

    ‘Last post’ for ECN?

    After 2,521 comments on ECN’s death rattle entry, it seems to have seized up. The honour of making the ‘last post’ may go to ‘thicket’, whose comment on January 28, 2013 at 3:38 pm is the last entry at the site (although the content is indistinguishable from similar comments from a year or more ago). Has this mess finally died? – or will it come back like one of those movie monsters that is apparently killed by the goodies, but then mysteriously reappears just before the end credits.

    • georgehants

      Hi Peter, sad in a way as if one needed a laugh one could always pop over to ECN for a little Laural and Hardy.
      Admin on these pages need to be very aware of strange new posters with funny names like Olive Oil etc. raging on about Rossi cannot be legit because of his star-sign or colour of his socks etc.
      I think most of them spend their time on Wiki-rubbish censoring anything post Carnot.

      • Peter_Roe

        Hi George. Indeed. Unfortunately it was nearly always a disappointing experience – an unchanging but nasty little world of self congratulatory sneering that just went round and round, propelled by the usual suspects. Unfortunately it’ll probably rise again like the undead, and shamble on just as it did the last time it seemed to have expired under the weight of its own ennui.

        • Peter_Roe

          Argghhhhh, noooo – the undead blog is BACK!!!

          (And it seems that a certain JNewman at least is a follower of ECW.)

          • georgehants

            Ha, I had a look, they are running around like headless chickens trying to keep the site open as I guess they have all been banned from Mousetrap.

    • Hugo

      Not a good sign for Rossi. When the skeptics lose interest and only a handful of mostly faithful keep patiently discussing an issue in their own little happy world, the thing is most likely dying a slow death. Or has anything happened lately that would shut the skeptics up? Any major public Rossi demos or 3rd party certifications I missed? Any convincing LENR experiments? Any customers coming forward with proven success stories or government institutions spending billions on cold fusion? Celani getting the nobel prize? Thought not.

      • georgehants

        Hugo, is that Hot Fusion you are talking about, plenty of scientists still following that one, maybe because they are being paid to sit around for 50 years spending billions chasing what seems like fools gold.
        Using tax payers money to fund a great life style for in the club scientists seems a little unfair on real scientists though.
        Perhaps we should give Cold Fusion a little more time.

        • GreenWin

          George, we can expect more of this bitterness as the facts of commercial LENR sink in – and the old guard is retired. Fortunately for hot fusionistas, there is a brand new, wide open field of nuclear physics to be explored. The nimble ones will transition seamlessly and never miss a pool payment!

        • Peter_Roe

          The kids are getting restless. Shame we don’t have any sticky cake or sweeties.

          • GreenWin

            I have an old rocker in the attic… (no, not Ringo.)

      • Jim

        Have you stopped working on that two week deadline for delivery of an explanation for dark energy?

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    “According to a major Lithium-ion battery manufacturer in a private communication, field failures apparently occur almost randomly in roughly 1 out of every 4 to 5 million Lithium-based battery cells right off the production line, regardless of their chemistry.”

    LENR involved?

    http://www.slideshare.net/lewisglarsen/lattice-energy-llc-field-failures-and-lenrs-in-lithiumbased-batteriesjan-23-2013

    • daniel maris

      Interesting. Given how standardised manufacturing processes are these days, it seems like something that needs investigating.

    • Gerrit

      High altitude, more energetic particles ?

      Batteries stress tested only on ground level ?

      who knows …

  • georgehants

    Fusion energy mystery solved
    Thursday, 31 January 2013
    The research of a multi-institutional team from the U.S., Japan, and France, led by Predrag S. Krstic of the Joint Institute for Computational Sciences and Jean Paul Allain of Purdue University has answered the question of how the behavior of plasma — the extremely hot gases of nuclear fusion — can be controlled with ultra-thin lithium films on graphite walls lining thermonuclear magnetic fusion devices. “It is remarkable that seemingly insignificant lithium depositions can profoundly influence the behavior of something as powerful as fusion plasmas,” Krstic said.
    http://machineslikeus.com/news/fusion-energy-mystery-solved

    • Gerrit

      interesting …

  • GreenWin

    While Ing Rossi’s factory/partner is busy building 1MW hot-cat thermal plants, the energy sector is feeling shock waves. The UK bankster regulators have halted all short-selling of Saipem, the offshore oil giant based in Italy. Yesterday it’s stock collapsed 40 percent. And as we pointed out in the previous e-catworld story, Saipem has followed the commercialization of LENR and Rossi’s e-cat.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-31/u-k-regulator-bans-saipem-short-selling-after-share-plunge.html

    Does the Saipem collapse signal investor response to LENR’s imminent introduction? Saipem’s Director of Tech Development Dr. Jacques Ruer may have seen the handwriting. On the bright side, LENR can produce much of the steam used in oil&gas refining – far cheaper than current methods.

    That, however, only prolongs the petro-dollar economy that got us in this mess.

    • georgehants

      GreenWin, you and Peter may find this interesting.
      ——
      Who Runs The World? Solid Proof That A Core Group Of Wealthy Elitists Is Pulling The Strings
      Michael Snyder
      Economic Collapse
      Jan 30, 2013
      http://www.infowars.com/who-runs-the-world-solid-proof-that-a-core-group-of-wealthy-elitists-is-pulling-the-strings/

      • GreenWin

        Ah, Robert calls them the “insane oligarchs.” You will find this interesting George:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZuYO-bNfY

        Hat tip Miles.

        • Miles

          +1. Thank You.

          – Go SIRIUS
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZuYO-bNfY
          – Go Rossi

          2013 will be an Important Year !!! Stay Focused.

        • georgehants

          Yup, good stuff GreenWin, the Truth is out there, it is just that the Truth frightens most of science.
          Another one of sciences crazy myths falls.
          one day they will learn, theories yes but with keeping a very open-mind for new Evidence.
          Not making fools of themselves by saying this is our theory and therefore it is a Fact.
          http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-01/uosc-ngs013113.php

      • Peter_Roe

        Hi George. It’s a good summary of how things really are. It’s interesting that a few insightful people (such as New York City Mayor John F. Hylan in the ’20s and Congressman McFadden in the ’30s) were aware of the utterly corrupt nature of kleptocratic control in the US so long ago, but anyone who attempted change has simply ended up dead. Only the collapse of fiat wealth can now even dent this empire, but even then their non-financial assets will allow the oligarchy to maintain their control system.

        Robert Mockan was always right in his designation of these people (there is still no recent trace of him to be found online).

    • I believe that the present epoch is clearly slower than what our technical abilities would allow. Thus extrapolating the present trend is not necessarily a good prediction of the future. Jed made some interesting points about this on vortex. There are phases in last 100 years history when things happened clearly faster than nowadays. For example space technology development from the first satellite to first manned Moon landing took only 11 years although computers, CAD, simulations, internet and office automation were not yet there to help.

      • georgehants

        Pekka, is this one of yours.
        —-
        NASA to Launch World’s Largest Solar Sail in 2014
        by Leonard David, SPACE.com’s Space Insider Columnist
        Date: 31 January 2013 Time: 06:30 AM ET
        http://www.space.com/19565-worlds-largest-solar-sail-sunjammer.html

        • No, that’s an ordinary photon sail, similar to the already flown Japanese Ikaros, but about 2 times larger. The E-sail uses solar wind, this one uses sunlight. By the way our first satellite test ESTCube-1 was delivered last week and will be launched by Vega from Kourou in April or May.

          • georgehants

            That must be exciting and I suppose at the same time very worrying.
            Best of wishes that all goes well.

          • Ged

            Solar wind sounds like a much more powerful prospect to harness. Seriously cool work you do, Pekka!

          • Thanks. Solar wind dynamic pressure is 5000 times weaker than photonic pressure, but we win six orders of magnitude due to the fact that the solar wind sees our tethers as ~200 m wide obstacles although physically they are made of 25-50 micron wires.

          • georgehants

            Just interesting —
            ‘Psychic cells’: Scientists discover cells can communicate through physical barriers.
            http://phys.org/news/2013-02-psychic-cells-scientists-physical-barriers.html

      • Jim

        A few years ago I had a conversation with one of the engineers that worked on Apollo. His job was hand wiring the core rings used for the memory circuits in the navigation computer.

        Brave astronauts!

    • daniel maris

      How many times have we had a version of this story on here? Shares plunge all the time for all sorts of reasons.

    • GreenWin

      Saipem is like the canary in the mine shaft. Its Director of Technology Development has attended recent conferences on LENR. Dr Jacques Ruer has been trying to develop nuclear energy to assist the oil and gas industry. A Saipem representative has negotiated to demonstrate a Rossi e-cat to his upper management.

      Italy, English and US trade boards have blocked short selling Saipem for fear it will tank entirely. BofA has already lost billions… This scenario may be repeated over and again as news of imminent low cost LENR energy catches industry unprepared. The handwriting is on the wall.

  • admin

    Note: Rossi has added a phrase to his post above about the factories:

    After he mentions the R&D plant in Italy he added the phrase “wherein we also manufacture prototypes. “

    • daniel maris

      Oh right. He forgot to mention that before…I always thought that’s what R&D was all about anyway.

    • Peter_Roe

      I’m afraid that I’ve never heard of engineering prototypes being ‘manufactured’ – a term that implies volume production. They are generally assembled by hand, usually as on-offs, or occasionally in very small batches when destructive testing is required.

      I assume Rossi just means ‘assembled’, but that is not what is implied by his main statement.

      • daniel maris

        The term manufacture can be used in relation to a prototype:

        http://www.protocam.com/html/prototype-manufacturer.html

        • Peter_Roe

          That page is just search engine bait. ‘Search engine optimised’ bait pages attempt to incorporate all possible related search terms in different combinations, in what the designer hopes will appear to be a ‘highly relevant’ content page when parsed by a search engine bot. The text was almost certainly produced automatically by dedicated software.

  • Roger Bird

    More hot air. I wish that we had something of substance.

    • Zaghlool

      Actually every one should know that :
      The Theory of operation of E-CAT is a great secret and will never be released – Even Andrea Rossi has no rights to leak any information.
      The secrets of the operation of the E-Cat is the same as a top militery secrets.

      • Ramsy

        I know one effective way (which destroyed the Roman Empire before ) to get the secrets of the e cat, just send a beautiful girl to Rossi with a nice drink and definitely you will get every thing you want.

        • Omega Z

          Ramsy

          I don’t think it would work with Rossi,

          However, I think it’s a possibility that it has already been tried on One of his people. I Have No Clue as to whether it was Effective. The Female culprit appears to have been of Ukrainian decent.

          • asey

            It was woman-prostitute in biblical Jericho, who helped in destroying the city and all its residents.

  • Dra

    There was a time when I thought Rossi was going to save us from peak oil. Now I know he will save us from peak phosphorous his capacity to produce BS is limitless and will fertilise the world forever.

    • Guga

      That’s a little rude. But a damn funny thought! Lol

      • Protz

        Funny because it’s true. 🙂

  • georgehants

    Brian
    January 31st, 2013 at 11:37 AM
    Mr. Rossi
    Thank you for taking the time to answer my question.
    I had a few additional questions if you feel comfortable answering them. What type of reactors are these factories making? The “warm” E-cats or the Hot-Cat? Are there existing customers with orders pending for these devices?
    —-
    Andrea Rossi
    January 31st, 2013 at 4:57 PM
    Dear Brian:
    1- both
    2- yes
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Miles

      With over 7 billion people burning up the Earth’s resources, the time is now to make this change.

      Don’t suppress the knowledge that can liberate the world from the weight of oil, gas, coal and nuclear power and replace the current world order with one of New Energy and true Freedom.

      If LENR doesn’t Turn heads, this definitely will !!

      Release Date: Late February / March 2013.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeZuYO-bNfY

    • Peter_Roe

      I have to admit that I am getting more than a bit irritated by this kind of reply by Rossi. These claims are not consistent with the various snippets he has previously thrown out.

      The story so far has been that 1MW container units are available, one(?) at least has been delivered and others are being built, and Rossi’s US partner is working on getting some kind of first ‘hot cat’ installation ready to run during this month or March. OK, fair enough – we’ll wait it out and look forward to seeing whatever has transpired by the end of March.

      But now suddenly there are 1MW units AND ‘hot cats’ already being produced in ‘factories’? How could this be? If no successful hot cat prototype has yet been run, and the design is not finalised, how could factories be manufacturing them? It would make no sense at all unless a prototype has already been run for a considerable test period under stress, and all initial troubleshooting and design modification of the cores at has already been carried out – a process that would take 6 months at the absolute minimum, and more likely a year for a complete assembly.

      Rossi’s statement is not really open to any interpretation or allowances for language difficulties. He is now stating that ‘hot cats’ are currently being manufactured to meet existing purchase orders. So either much of what has already been said is incorrect, or this is.

      Personally I would prefer it if AR just kept quiet, rather than adding to the ‘compost’ pile in this way. I accept on the evidence available that the ‘hot cat’ is real and is under development. However I am having real trouble with claims such as this latest, which has overtones of the ‘Florida factory’ making domestic units (which I also had a go at when those claims emerged).

      I am an unhappy mushroom.

      • Peter_Roe

        Ah – the lead quote seems to have been changed. I am referring to this exchange on JoNP:

        Questioner: “What type of reactors are these factories making? The “warm” E-cats or the Hot-Cat? Are there existing customers with orders pending for these devices?”

        Rossi

        “Dear Brian:
        1- both
        2- yes
        Warm Regards,”

        • Peter_Roe

          Ignore the last – I must have been looking at Georgehant’s post, not the thread leader.

          • Going 3 days without fresh news here is like starving to death. At least if I was starving, I’d lose weight!

      • georgehants

        Cheer up Peter, Rossi “says” gives the blogs something to talk about while we wait for a Cold Fusion breakthrough elsewhere.
        The time is coming where either a third party report appears or without a named confirmation from one of the participants that there is a delay for some good reason or a report from a buyer etc. then house of cards will begin to wobble.
        If Rossi is not legit it will have been one of the most amazing story’s since Delorean, but nowhere near as good as the many scientific jokes that are being played out day by day.
        Hot Fusion comes to mind and many other subjects where distortion and irrational denial are just excepted as the norm.
        The establishment huggers would react against Rossi without giving a thought to the massive corruption proven in this World by all the establishment agencies.
        This will take your mind off things.
        http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/01/living-crystal/

        • Peter_Roe

          Rossi’s blog does seem to have drifted from reportage to pure entertainment. As he seems now to be just one part of a much larger game, his empty hints, wordplay, contradictions etc. are probably not important – but they are still irritating!

          The crystals look interesting – maybe all those ‘crystalline life forms’ the crew of USS Enterprize kept tripping over were not so fanciful!

  • http://www.zazzle.com.au/andrea_rossi_caricature_on_light_colors_shirt-235626897818949704

    The Italian Victory Salute was “first introduced by the French longbowmen in the middle ages. It was known that longbowmen needed their middle finger to fire arrows at the enemy. Essentially, they ‘Flipped Off’ their enemy, a derisive way of proving that they can still kill them. It still works today even!” (Quote from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Italian%20Victory%20Salute)

    • Ag

      It was actually an English taunt to the French…

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Rossi is Beta testing…..it takes time….. accept it…..live with it.

  • powerpete

    Here’s one ‘factory’ and a Streetview photo…

    Freeze at 5.59 in the SVT documentary:

    http://youtu.be/LHXc7NNMiWo?t=5m59s

    now go to

    http://goo.gl/maps/XmfxB

    Via del Bajocco, Ferrara, Emilia-Romagna, Italy

    • David

      Wow, well done! Now you can work for the FBI!

      • GreenWin

        Waiting for the independent report on the theory? and operation of the e-hot-cat is frustrating, as the peer reviewers are apparently “secret” and we are unable to phone up and say, “So when are you going to be finished? And when will the report be published?” If famed Report 41 is any indication, the e-cat report will be buried – as too volatile for the oligarch orthodoxy. It’s been almost 3 years since the January 2011 announcement! But then even the $$6 Billion taxpayer funded NIF had 6 years to achieve ignition… and failed.

        “At the end of September 2012, officials at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) in Livermore, California, where the NIF is based, announced that the facility would miss a crucial milestone to produce ignition — releasing as much energy from fusion as is supplied by the lasers.” Journal Nature “Ignition Switch” 11/7/2012

        • kasom

          “It’s been almost 3 years since the January 2011 announcement!”

          In witch time do You live?

          • GreenWin

            Excellent point kasom! Even on sidereal time, days are slightly shorter than solar days – it is still only two years since Rossi’s startling announcement. Shades of the 365 degree circle!

          • georgehants

            I put three years the other day, it certainly feels like it sometimes.
            So now I cannot complain at the delay for another year.

          • Veblin

            Witch time is not the same as mortal human time.

        • Patrik

          I have a hypothetical question.

          What shall we do if it turns out down the line that Rossi has lied all the time? Can Rossi be sued by businiesses like this website? Arrested? What would we all do?

          Since I live in Sweden, any small clue as to where I could start a quest to find his factory would be apreciated. I would cover it 24/7 if I found it. And report back everything there from lunchbreaks to photos of everyone passing in or out.

          • get in contact with aldo proia and his italian investors…
            😉

            anyway this the reason why I only expect technical problems, but no scam theory…

          • GreenWin

            A world is always in need of sharp detectives, investigators, private dicks, spies, secret agents etc. The successful ones are those who self motivate. When you are hot on the trail of the Swedish factory, post your undercover video. This is sometimes known as “investigative journalism,” requiring only an open mind and capacity to ferret out the truth.

          • Michael

            I think you can find the factory in public documents from Swedish authorities. Some kind of acceptance will probably be needed from the authorities regarding possible environmental impact from the manufacturing etc. The documents are there somewhere if the factory exists. The main challenge is to look in the right place.

          • Omega Z

            Michael

            This could be done in an existing facility all under R&D at this time. Nothing to find.

          • Michael

            Even if you product uses nuclear reactions? I really doubt it. The site in Sweden is not an R&D facility. Rossi talks about manufacturing.

    • Visitor

      Great job Powerpete! right on the spot.
      If you’ll take a look at the roof, you’ll notice a big solar energy plant. Very interesting..

    • robiD

      Wow, if you look closely with Street view, you can even see Rossi while is working on the E-Cat :-)))
      See:
      http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8284/screenshotzei.png

  • georgehants

    Science News
    … from universities, journals, and other research organizations
    Solar Power: Is It Time for the Big Push?
    There are great expectations for solar power, especially in the coming years, when the International Energy Agency projects solar to grow faster than any other renewable power. But what does science need to do to more fully respond to the opportunities ahead?
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130131144142.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29

    • GreenWin

      Agreed. Solar/PV is wonderful! Except at night. When you want to brew a cup of tea.

      • Peter_Roe

        Or in the UK, where you can go for several weeks without seeing the shiny yellow thing in the sky (and that’s during the ‘summer’).

        • georgehants

          Morning Peter, we are looking now to move to Cornwall where I am assured that with Global Warming we will be able to see the Sun more often.

          • Peter_Roe

            Hi George. You’ll need all the global warming you can get – it can be pretty foul down there during winter!

          • GreenWin

            Dear UK brethren,

            I spend time in the South Western part of Canada, Victoria BC, where in keeping with its name, the weather is very British. Infinite wisdom has produced parking meters with PV panels atop. When not smeared with urban grunge or seagull poop, they capture a fraction of the shy, sallow sun.

            On the bright side, one of my wives reminded me the fog and mist is excellent for complexion.

  • georgehants

    2nd week Summary of Cold Fusion 101
    January 31, 2013 / Ruby Carat
    http://coldfusionnow.org/2nd-week-summary-of-cold-fusion-101/

    • C.T.

      TY for posting. Very informative including the reader comments.

  • Giuliano Bettini

    Yona
    February 1st, 2013 at 5:32 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi
    1. How many people knows the location of the factory in USA?
    2. There is any concern that the location will be leaked?
    Warm Regards

    Andrea Rossi
    February 1st, 2013 at 8:06 AM
    Dear Yona:
    1- The location is known from people who work with us: our USA Partner, the employees.
    2- There is a concern bound to safety and security problems: we must be very careful on whom we employ and from whom we get technological collaboration. There is a specific safety problem for me, since I receive continuous threats. Nevertheless we are working well in this extremely important period, on the eve of crucial events.
    Thank you for your attention,
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Hugo

      Somehow Rossi always seems to be on the eve of some crucial event or other. Hinting at the next thing is of course much easier than delivering the last one. People just forget and as long as the next thing is much brighter than the last thing, they can drown their disappointment in hopeful anticipation. But how long does he think he can go on like that?

      • captain kirk

        OH MY GOD… you mean we have to wait longer? Bringing out a Cold Fusion device couldn’t be any more complicated than a new model of the iphone or a laptop is it?

        • Hugo

          No, you don’t have to wait any longer for a cold fusion device, Jim. The last thing (1 MW warm-cat) has already been on the market for over a year now. Don’t you pay any attention to crucial events?

        • Zaghlool

          Actually the security threats to Andrea Rossi come basically from oil industry agents.
          This new technology is based on uncovering the secrets of the Cold Fusion Phenomena , which needs time for research and development , while the technology needed for making a new model of iPhone or a laptop is already exists ( only modification required).

          • Hugo

            I doubt ‘oil industry agents’ would have any trouble getting rid of Mr. Rossi if they wanted to. And certainly they wouldn’t announce their intentions up front.

          • Rio

            I’ve been in contact with Robert Godes at Brillioun and he said an oil company actually approached him for extracting purposes.

          • GreenWin

            Saipem world’s largest offshore oil services company – is looking into LENR as a source of low cost steam in drilling and recovery. Their stock collapsed 40% on Wednesday.

          • Miles

            They will probably buy out Rossi & take hold of LENR but never disclose it’s true potential in order to keep the world reliant on oil.

      • daniel maris

        I am sure we can all think of reasons why security might need to be maintained. But the problem here is that the story has been going on a long time with always suggestions from Rossi of an imminent breakthrough. He could have said “I’ve no idea how long it will take to get this to market. I’ll let you know when it does. Meanwhile, I’m opting for the silent approach. Bye for now. ”

        As for “threats” I am sure Hydrocarbon United could track him down without too much trouble, given his frequent travelling between Bologna and Orlando. Keeping quiet about the whereabouts of the factory wouldn’t help him.

        Time that Rossi realised he’s in the Last Chance Saloon of credibility. One more “postponement” of the third party reports and I’m definitely off, will have no further interest in his pronouncements unless and until he actually produces something that works.

        There are plenty of other things going on with cold fusion that are of interest.

        • clovis

          don,t let the door hit you in the _ss on the way out,

        • Bigwilly

          Hugo,

          That is merely opinion. It is opinion that destroyed the venerable Pons&MF and the great John Keely of Keely motor company.

          bw

        • Michael

          The R&D location in Italy is perhaps the most interesting site…….and a lot of people have been there, and also been shown on TV I think. No reason to keep this place secret…why?

        • captain kirk

          SARCASM ALERT BW is very sarcastic as he frequently posts on other sites that he is certain that Rossi is nothing but a lier but he is a little uncertain really as he never took me up on a bet (I was looking for a 100 to 1 friendly wager that a 1kw cold fusion device with a cop of 6 would be on the market this year meeting specifications… I thought that on the other site (full of socalled pathoskeps someone would be interested.

          • Iggy Dalrymple

            captain kirk wrote, “I was looking for a 100 to 1 friendly wager that a 1kw cold fusion device with a cop of 6 would be on the market this year”

            Industrial units, maybe, but I doubt a 1kw unit on the retail market.

          • captain kirk

            Yes…. I meant at least a 1kw cold fusion device kind of along the lines of the $1 million wager of Dick Smith…. I would say highly unlikely that the home 10kw E-cat will be on the market this year… of course pathoskeps(true believers in establishment dogma) will say never ever unless they are sarcastic pathoskeps who are just spending time posting bs just for the fun and FUD and then lying about who they are

    • Jimr

      At some point the promises will end. He will either produce or not.
      I have wondered if this doesn’t work out for Rossi how would he get out of it, I have determined the most logical out would be to say, ” The government/military have requested that I not release any products nor information about the Ecat ” If this happens, we will know we have been had.

      • Master

        A shrewd observation. Similarly, it will be that the gov’t is out to “get” him, so he and his e-cat must disappear for a few months, or years. The reason, like most, if not all, of the information regarding the e-cat, will not be falsifiable. And if the e-cat is real (working w/out holes in the wall, for example), the technology will not be successfully replicated.

      • Ash

        ‘At some point’ could be many years. Blacklight Power has been promising power for over twenty years now. Steorn announced in 2006 and is still going over six years later.

        Rossi doesn’t have the same sophistication and resources as those companies, but it’s possible he also doesn’t have the same level of expenses, so he could last a long time making claims.

      • Omega Z

        Jimr

        The Government Shut down would have happened by now if that were the case.

        I Recently read some info that the U.S. Government actually considered clamping down on ALL Nano Material research back in 2004. I Believe the Only reason this didn’t happen was to much was already out of the Bag.

        Fact: The U.S. Government can cover/conceal patents under National Security.

        On the Bright Side- If they Use it they will compensate you according to what value they place on it. However, They Wont compensate you for what you Would Have made in the private sector.

    • clovis

      wow that’s good to hear, i was worried that he was being to open, and he is just too importaint to our world to have him distracted in any way, Thanks Dr. Rossi,for your thoughtful reassurance that you are safe, number one. and sorry that you must be persecuted, in order for the world to have such a wonderful thing. and know that you have friends here at e- cat world and we believe in you and that this is a safe place to come , if you would like. to speak to your public.—clovis

    • Apropos

      1) Security threats to Rossi will disappear if he reveals the theory and the secret of his invention. The more the secrecy the more the danger.
      2) Why is there no whistle-blower in Rossi’s team?
      3) More than 3 years have been lost as far as “developing theory and betterment of experiments” is concerned due to Rossi’s stubborn foolishness. That is a very big loss for whole of mankind.
      4) Rossi could have asked for 10-100 Euro or dollar contributions from the world to finance his research and laid open his expenses and not become an underdog of some big fat financiers, weapon dealers, mafiosi structures. Now he is caught in their grip.
      5) If Rossi wants to save mankind then it is far more important to be a moral example than an inventions-genius.
      6) Rossi can circulate an anonymous letter and publish his secrets and no one will/can trouble him. The more one is scared the more one gets irrational and crazy and invites more dangers. Rossi should jump off this trap.

      • GreenWin

        Concern tro11 ALERT!

        Maybe it’s just me, but I sense 6 examples of angry disgruntlement. All of which conjures the image of a little boy told to wait his turn at the gumball machine. But this little boy is an “expert” gumballer and demands to go to the head of the line. He wants to know the secret recipe for the new gumballs, probably so he can copy it.

        “[Rossi]…become an underdog of some big fat financiers, weapon dealers, mafiosi structures. Now he is caught in their grip.”

        Apropos, we here at E-Cat World value facts and evidence. Kindly produce your evidence for the above statement or we shall conclude you to be a fabricator of l1es.

      • John De Herrera

        Apropos “More than 3 years have been lost as far as “developing theory and betterment of experiments and is concerned due to Rossi’s stubborn foolishness. That is a very big loss for whole of mankind.”

        NO stubborn or foolishness. IF Rossi, instead of commercial development of original E-Cat, continued R&D and increased reactor temp to 1000+, Hot Cat, he now has a reactor capable of driving a turbine and producing electricity! That is incredible, Thanks Andrea Rossi. Of course, we can only speculate, Rossi is the Captain of his own ship. jdh

  • georgehants

    Admin has put great questions to Rossi on JONP.
    I think he may wish to open new page so will not transfer.

    • Hugo

      Probably more interesting are the answers to Luca Salvarani. When asked ‘Are there any progress on the electricity generation?’ Rossi answered ‘is our main focus now’. So don’t hold your breath for the hot e-cat. It will fade out of focus just as the warm cat did and will be replaced by the electric e-cat. There will be an independent third party evaluation just around the corner in 2014 and some ultra secret customers shortly after that. Stay tuned.

      • robiD

        What it needs now is only a positive, reliable and independent report, all the rest (included your BS) is marginal.

        • rolando

          That’s right

          Rossi wants this independent report more than anyone else here. His patent approval will depend on it, and his big customer’s order decision shall be swayed by it. I hope that he have found the open-minded and fair academic institutions for the testing/review/report of the Hot cat.

      • b4FreeEnergy

        Ok let’s just suppose that’s true, what’s in it for him?
        Come on … it doesn’t make sense!

      • Peter_Roe

        You either haven’t been paying attention, or you are twisting the facts like a tro11 with an agenda (surely not?). ONLY the ‘hot cat’ is suitable for electrical power generation, and this is what is being developed in the US.

        • Michael

          Assume that the hot cat (the name is already used on another heater) is used to generate steam. Then we need several MW. Power plants with steam turbines are generating power in tens or houndreds of MW, although smaller steam turbines exist, but they are perhaps more often used in cogeneration plants. Gas turbines are efficient in smaller sizes, see for example Capstone. Since gas turbine have a combustion chamber where fuel is combusted at a high pressure this has to be replaced by some kind of external heating. This could be compressed air heated by the ecat. We will probably need 1000-1100C heat output from an e-cat for a reasonable operation. I doubt however that the gas turbine efficiency will exceed 15-20% if the output is below 50kW. The third option is something very different from using turbomachinery, I don’t know. So, when Mr Rossi is talking about power generation, which technology is he talking about. Has he provided any hints at all?

          • Omega Z

            Michael

            Rossi is going for the Tried & True. The Carnot Steam Cycle.

            He has said a couple times that they don’t want to get bogged down with other technics at this time & None of the more exotic until their more proven.

            Most of these other possibilities were discussed earlier prior to the Hot-Cat. They will be explored more fully after the Steam System is finished.

            As for the Hot Cat name. Isn’t an Issue. That kind of just happened on the Blogs & Forums by way of us. It was simpler then Posting Hi-Temp E-cat. Sometimes it’s the H-Cat or L-Cat( High/Low temp)

          • Michael

            I think that the Carnot cycle is a theoretical thermodynamic cylce. You often calculate the Carnot efficiency as an upper limit of the possible efficiency, based on the highest and lowest temperature in the process. Do you mean the Rankine cycle instead?