Age of Cold Fusioneers

I received a request from a reader for a poll asking the age of people following the LENR/E-Cat/CF story. The reader got the impression that there was a decent representation of older readers here, and from some of the comments we get here I think he might have a point.

So I’ve put up a new poll about the demographics of LENR enthusiasts — I think it might be interesting.

  • Al_D

    I am 74

    • Krish

      74

  • georgehants

    Science News
    … from universities, journals, and other research organizations
    Fusion as an Energy Source? Physicists Demonstrate the Acceleration of Electrons by a Laser in a Vacuum
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130228093833.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29

    • etburg

      56
      I have not commented before but have been following the site for over a year as well as the rossilivecat thread. Excellent site and love the discussions.

      • Klaus

        Hi,

        also ich bin 62 aber ganz nah dran an der Kuzunft !!

        • Joel C.

          I got you at 62 where else I’m just lost. 🙂

          • GreenWin

            The following is a bit old (in keeping with the posters here 🙂 ) but fairly significant in evolving a theory of what causes LENR. The first link is to a paper written by Heinrich Hora, George H. Miley, J.C. Kelly, and F. Osman re: “SHRINKING OF HYDROGEN ATOMS IN HOST METALS BY DIELECTRIC EFFECTS…”

            http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/HoraHshrinkingo.pdf

            This is an explanation of how atomic H can shrink in a metal lattice: “The hydrogen or deuterium atoms shrunk down to the pm size could then interact with each other or with the nuclei in the host metal or even in clusters of semi-molecular bindings, such that the pm-Ms reactions are possible either in the ionized stage (Section 2) or in the unionized stage as shown now.”

            Two areas of interest arise: 1) This is a theory supporting some or all of Mills’ “hydrino” (below ground state H) theory. 2) The paper confirms the presence of soft x-ray radiation in LENR experiments – a signature of hydrino transitions.

            The second link is back to the NIST experiments suggesting QED electromagnetic theory fails to correctly predict the lambda shift observed in their shrunken helium-like atom. This all suggests there are effects happening in condensed matter (LENR) that screen the cursed Coulomb barrier making fusion of nuclei at temperatures FAR below those of hot fusion (i.e. stars and H-bombs) – probable.

            “…if no errors are found in the [new] theory and the NIST experiment is correct, some physics outside of QED must be present.”

            http://nanopatentsandinnovations.blogspot.com/2012/11/nist-experiments-challenge-fundamental.html

          • Hora’s models might make sense, but I have severe trouble with a free hydrino concept. Two-body solutions to Schrödinger’s equation are completely known and they do not contain such fractional energy states. Furthermore, if one proposes that hydrogen atoms could exist in such lower than normal energy state, one should also explain why such hydrinos are not observed and/or why the observed normal hydrogen hasn’t made a transition to such state since it’s energetically favourable (and also that if it has partially occurred in cosmological scale e.g. after the big bang, then why don’t we see any astrophysical hints of the large energy output that should have accompanied such transition).

            It could be that something like compact hydrogen might exist inside metal lattice, but not in free form (i.e. not upon existing the lattice or after the metal melts or vapourises). Because then the whole zoo of multibody effects are available and e.g. electrons need not be paired with protons but might be shared between metal valence electrons and electrons balancing the charge of the protons. Also, I have thought to myself that maybe protons get nonlocal similarly to metal valence electrons. That would be some type of collective behaviour which is simpler than BEC. Might also be related to the fact that Celani, MFMP and others see some increase of conductivity (due to nonlocal protons?) when hydrogen loading succeeds.

          • GreenWin

            Hi Pekka,

            I don’t purport to defend the Millsian GUT or absence of shrunken H in nature. We might find some evidence of condensed hydrogen in piezonuclear or geonuclear phenomena suggesting LENR-type transmutation. As for the cosmos, you have a far greater command of elements out there than I. Some Mills followers suggest dark matter is relativistic hydrino (space-time makes it appear to condense) viewable only from a different inertial frame. I dunno. Mills discusses cosmology and oscillating universe here: http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/theory/TheoryPresentationPt3.pdf

            You introduce a fascinating idea incorporating non-local protons; even potentially entangled with “heavy” electrons to make a virtual neutron. Clearly there is a lot happening at these nano-scales that does not fit any current theory completely. Hence the interest in what is actually going on in LENR.

          • I’m rather certain that some kind of nonlocal behaviour is needed because energy needs to be spread over at least about 30 or more likely 100-500 degrees of freedom (particles) in order to conform to observed small flux of outcoming radiation. This is possible to see in Pd-D system by noting that outcoming energised deuterons cannot exceed about 40 keV, otherwise they would subsequently undergo some DD hot fusion reactions which would produce more neutrons than what is observed.

            Ed Storms believes that an active site is a “crack” of 1-5 nm size. If he means a cubic site, it might contain about 100-10000 hydrogen atoms which would in principle be enough for the purpose. Others (I think Swartz) believe that a single metal vacancy does the trick. Linear dislocations might also be a possibility (e.g. Hora). Nonlocal protons (or BEC, if it could form) are not necessarily incompatible with any of these ideas. Maybe protons are nonlocal in bulk metal hydride which however doesn’t produce any big effects other than possibly some conductivity enhancement. But maybe when that nonlocal stuff interacts with a suitable metal lattice imperfection (“crack”, vacancy or dislocation) then the magic happens. Nonlocality might enable a large number of particles overlapping their wavefunctions at the lattice imperfection. Of course, this is all speculation…

          • georgehants

            Pekka the words “non local” are music to my ears.
            GreenWin you have craftily omitted to give your age.

          • GreenWin

            Nothing crafty about living to 48! But now I’m “61”

    • GreenWin

      George, always interesting to see how these traditional studies get excited about ideas that essentially confirm there little corner of the universe. Here is a far more out of the box thinker:

      https://hydrogenicpower.wordpress.com/

      • Peter_Roe

        Dr Jaan Suurküla’s arguments (linked doc) in favour of Mills’ theory seem pretty convincing – at least to an ex-microbiologist with only limited knowledge of particle physics. As it seems to score so highly as a predictive tool relative to ‘classical’ quantum mechanics, it appears that this is another case of the failure of science to overcome its inability to consider new ideas, as described in the second linked document, ‘Resistance to new discoveries’.

        The strange inability of some people to adapt their model of reality in the face of contrary evidence is something I have great difficulty in understanding. At one time I supposed that this was largely a protectionist reaction, but I have come to understand that it can go far deeper, i.e., to the point where people may refuse to even consider the possibility that their ideas may be wrong, and so will not even look at the evidence that contradicts them. Rather like a child sticking its fingers in its ears and chanting “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you” when someone tries to tell it something it doesn’t want to hear. This kind of irrationality should have no place in science, but it actually seems to be predominant in many areas.

  • georgehants

    Age is like good old wine and the very best vintage is if one is 66 years old.

    • Peter_Roe

      A couple of years short of that. But if I’m honest, I think I preferred being 36.

      • artefact

        Well, the best age for wine seems to be relative to the age of the owner. If you would try a 31 years old wine you would forget about relativity though!

        • Peter_Roe

          I’m not sure we are still talking about wine here, are we?

          • Andre Blum

            I’m 40. (me: “Doctor, do I have a midlife crisis?” Doctor: “You wish!”)

          • artefact

            well.. I was.. really! 🙂

    • NJT

      I agree with George’s comment on the wine, but at 74 I have enjoyed more good vintages than he has (perhaps?). Been following Cold Fusion (now LENR/LANR) since the first days Pons & Fleischmann announced their discovery and hope to live long enough to see something finally come out of all this to help better humanity…

  • EduardoRG

    36 and kicking ! I believe.

    • Ryan

      Woohoo, fellow 36’er.

      • paul bennett

        I am 65. I have not posted any comments, but I wrote 3 posts on the economic impcts to be expected. I check this site religiously every day. I periodically check the journal of nuclear physics and occasionally go searching for other lent news. I have been following cf since fleischmann pons.

      • Sebastian

        23, student

  • Sweeney

    I’m 30….this is my first post but I’ve been checking the site daily for the last year and a half. It’s been really interesting following devolopments in this story but lately I feel like my patience is starting to wear thin.

    • artefact

      maby this helps a bit:

      Jed Rothwell today on Vortex:
      http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg77342.html


      ..
      I know people who tested his
      devices independently, in their own labs, when he was not present.


      As I said, I know people who confirmed his claims independently, with their own instruments. That was years ago when he had that heater in the factory in Italy. They tested that one, too.
      ..

  • Doug Hulstedt MD

    59 read site at least every other day.

  • K

    43

  • Alexvs

    I will be 70 in 17 days.
    Greetings to everyone.

  • OT again, sorry. I can’t seem to get rid of meteors, but there is very confusing discussion on Vortex about the Russian event and the fact that it occurred within the same day of another 50 m asteroid passing nearby Earth (which was known beforehand, while the Russian event wasn’t). The question is what are the odds that this coincidence happened. How long do we have to wait for the next similar day?

    We don’t know exactly how often each of the two events repeats itself (15 m meteor and 50 m asteroid flyby within 27000 km), but roughly it’s 100 years for both. In 100 years there are 36500 days, so for each Russian type event there is 1/36500 chance that during the same day the other event also occurs. Thus we expectedly have to count 36500 Russian type events before we get a similar event pair again. This gives 36500*100 years which is 3.65 million years, i.e., longer than the history of homo sapiens. So, it was indeed a very rare coincidence, likely the first time in the history of man.

    • GreenWin

      The oldest “known” fossils of modern humans dates back only 160,000 years. So the probability of coincidence is 1 in 22.8 human “eras.” Could these two meteors be related??

  • Adam Lepczak

    I am 33. Old enough to remember the original CF announcement.

  • João Corvelo

    The future is LENR. I,m 64

  • Hampus

    I am 24

    • Invy

      25 here…

  • Andrea Di Luccio

    I’m 49

  • 33 for me.

  • Gerrit

    41

  • clovis

    A sweet and sassy 62. and didn’t know life could be so good.
    the lord has watched over me, blessed, and kept me safe, all the day’s of my life.

  • Albin

    I’m 29 (Yes I had the luck to be born in 84!) and IT professional but reading all these things here and on quantumheat.org trying to understand them, I think with my next life I go for a physics study as this is really very interesting and I like to question the established things especially if we know there is more behind the theories.

  • georgehants

    From the BBC
    Hydrogen’s energy promise improves
    28 February 2013 Last updated at 20:05
    A new process for extracting hydrogen from a liquid fuel could sweep aside one obstacle to a “hydrogen economy”.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21618350

  • Fabian Montgomery

    Coldfusioneers? I’m old enough to remember “The Mickey Mouse Club“ in black & white T.V.

    • Omega Z

      And we had to turn the little hand crank to flip those images.:)

  • I AM 74 AND STILL WORK AS A VALIDATION/DOCUMENTATION SPECIALIST.
    My confidence in the Rossi E-Cats comes from what Dr Focardi and Dr Levi have told us and the NASA VIDS. jdh

  • Tangled Connections

    Well I had everyone wrong, I either had you in your twenties due to ‘youthful’ energy and enthusiasm or much older than your years due to the gravitas that I wrongly assumed comes only with age. Very illuminating, Great thread! I’m 47.

    • Omega Z

      I thought there would be more in the 19 to 30 range. Other then that, not much surprised.

  • Barry

    On my first MIT Cold Fusion video (I put up a second version with a shameless commercial for my new book) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llahQ_SbXiM I was fascinated by the youtube statistics. Out of 27 thousand, the average age was 55. After the U.S., Italy came in second as far as who watched. English isn’t even their main language yet they came in over many of our states. I checked this with other CF video statistics and they seem quite comparable.

  • Al S

    Me I’m 69, feeling fine, will be 70 in 6 months time! Keeping an eye on LENR, best future promise by far.

    • I’m 46. 1989 was the year when I was in the army and I kind of missed FP. I only remember thinking (probably after 1989) that maybe it’s indeed some fusion, but that since it occurs in an electrolysis experiment (i.e. requires electric power and below 100 C) it’s unlikely to be useful as an energy source because it’s hard to produce more electric output than what it consumes. It never occurred to me that it could also work in gas phase so that both limitations are eliminated. I didn’t follow CF actively until two years ago when Rossi came out. After Essen-Kullander report I spent about 3 weeks (May 2011) rather intensively reading on the subject and trying to prove to myself than Rossi’s claims are impossible. It failed and, in the continued absence of inconsistencies, I gradually became a believer.

  • Sam Blankenship

    76

  • h_corey

    32

  • Marius

    38. At least for another 2 weeks.

  • stuey81

    32 in july !

  • stuey81

    How old are you?

    31-40 (23%, 127 Votes)

    41-50 (21%, 116 Votes)

    51-60 (20%, 110 Votes)

    61-70 (15%, 83 Votes)

    19-30 (12%, 67 Votes)

    71-80 (5%, 29 Votes)

    80 and older (1%, 8 Votes)

    Under 18 (3%, 2 Votes)

    Total Voters: 542

    Polls Archive

    • RICHARD LYMAN

      67 yrs old

    • Ed

      A surprisingly flat age distribution.

  • artefact

    From PESN:

    Dennis Cravens is Crowdfunding a Cold Fusion Car Project

    http://69.89.20.143/2013/02/28/dennis-cravens-is-crowdfunding-a-cold-fusion-car-project/

    “..Dennis is quite understated as regards his experience and success in his work with “Cold Fusion”. Dr. Cravens made an elegant working Patterson Power Cell system that produced 400% excess power for 3 days during ICCF5 in Monte Carlo…..”

    “I am now seeking crowd funding for a fusion powered car demonstration that will be open source and with monthly updates.”

    • yamal

      what a stupid idea. they should spend the money on building a working reactor. if they ever get that far, they won’t have to worry about finding a proper application for it.

      • barty

        +1

  • daniele

    39 and 40 in july

  • Stanny Demesmaker

    I am 28

  • Jim Gach

    65 and hope to see it before I die!

  • Barry

    Forgot to mention, I’m 56