'Hot' Hot Cat Picture!

If the pictures of the shipping and testing of the 1 MW plant were not too exciting, take a look at the picture below. We have seen a picture of the hot cat in action before, but not like this. The photo has been posted by Daniele Passerini at 22passi.blogspot.com, and he says it is of a hot cat reactor pushed to its limits. According to Passerini’s post this was taken six months ago: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2013/05/fino-al-limite-di-rottura.html

I have to say I find it spectacular.

Hot Cat on Fire

  • AB

    This thing really does look hot.

  • LENR4you

    combined with a Stirling engine, the perfect generator for your car or home.

  • artefact

    very cool!!

    no, hot!

  • Krish

    Admin,
    Would you know if the Hot Cat shown is in the SS-mode?

    • No, I don’t know, Krish. I wouldn’t want to guess. But there’s not much in the way of wire for that to be an electric resistor.

      • FlanObrien

        Just a test to see if I am banned without cause.

        How strange – this passed.

        At the top of the thread I tried to post this url about energy costs: https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/23057/width668/9t5gr8qz-1367308064.jpg

        • Roger Bird

          You’re banned because your Irish, man! We are a hot bed of anti-Irish sentiment here! (:->)

          I get moderated all the time because of some word or other. If you use the the conventional bad words, it is even worse. Nothing shows up and it doesn’t say anything until you try to post it again. Then it says that it does not like double posts.

          • Peter Roe

            I had one of those yesterday. It’s very annoying, especially when the comment seemed completely innocuous.

  • Roger Bird

    What am I looking at? Is it the white hot and orange looking thing in the foreground? If so, I promise to be very excited. If not, “yawn…..”.

    I am color-blind, and it looks so small. Are we looking at the cylinder with the wires coming out and sitting on the rack with the circular white spot and all orange else where?

    I guessed to my son that it is probably 800 or 900 degrees F. That could heat up your house and more.

    What do you think the temperature is, folks? This picture will get sent to all my contacts.

    • artefact

      it is a hotcat producing probably 10 KW with the old design so it should not have a mouse-reactor inside. The new hotcats are smaler and are 1 KW. The temperature are sayd to be over 1000 C inside. On the outside a little lower.

    • Yes, Roger. That thing suspended on the rack is a 10 kW hot cat reactor pushed to its limits. The early picture of the hot cat was glowing on the inside. This is red hot everywhere — except for that white hot spot.

    • Veblin

      How hot is white hot steel?
      http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100529133252AAb5VKY

      White-hot steel is ~1200º C (2190 ºF) and above, though the exact temperature depends on the steel alloy used. To give you an idea of how hot this is:

      5500º C surface temperature of the sun
      1536º C Melting point of iron
      1063º C Melting point of gold
      660º C Melting point of aluminum
      427º C Surface temperature of the sunward face of the planet Mercury
      290º C Temperature of a commercial oven broiler
      Source(s):
      A good color chart for steel forging temperatures:
      http://www.uddeholm.com/files/Temperature_guide.pdf

      Metal melting points:
      http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

      Astronomical data from Wikipedia

      • artefact

        The body seams to be 600 – 700 C and the spot around 1000 C.

        It looks so surreal. I suppose a new fire is what it looks like.

      • Roger Bird

        It looks more like a tad over 1200 C in the white spot and 930 C in the rest of it. This is what you call energy density.

        • Herb Gillis

          It looks like it was just pulled out of a furnace. Is there any way to tell (from the information we have) if that was not what happened?

          • Roger Bird

            How would the inner cell be white hot and the outer shell be merely red hot? To tell you the truth, Herb, I am finished being paranoid. I will accept the possibility that I am being fooled in favor of believing what I am seeing and what I have been told, despite the fact that we don’t have a theory for LENR and the fact that mainstream physics says it is impossible.

            If you look long enough, I think that you will come to the same conclusion. If I were an investor, then I might require more proof, but I am merely a member of the cheering squad.

          • Peter Roe

            It might be a little tricky to manually mount a white hot cylinder in the suspension mounts and then to attach the wires. I think we can safely put that one aside.

          • GreenWin

            +1

          • Roger Bird

            +2

  • Andre Blum

    I like!

  • AstralProjectee

    OMG that thing looks hotter than lava.

    I had no idea it got red hot. It looks unsafe like that. I trust they know what they are doing, and have taken safety precautions.

    • buffalo

      mm,let me light my cigarette on it,aaah..

      • AstralProjectee

        LOL, or better yet let me light up some marijuana on it, while it keeps my CD player going. Haaaaaa that’s a bit better.

        • Roger Bird

          Marijuana is tamasic.

  • Andre Blum

    taken november 20, 2012 at 6:13pm with an iphone 4 (says EXIF metadata)

    • Omega Z

      This may be the 1 that Cures leaked about that exceeded 1200`C.

  • artefact

    Now we can heat a house and automaticaly have light halve a year with one charge 🙂

  • Roger Bird

    I am laughing and crying at the same time!!!! This is what I sent to all my contacts:

    “”””””””””””””””””

    Behold the new Economic and Energy Age being born!!! Gaze upon the new energy source. This is the death knell of fossil fuels.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/hot-hot-cat-picture/comment-page-1/

    The cylinder must be at least 900 degrees F.

    And, by-the-way, I told you so. LENR is real.

    Mainstream physicists will soon be hanging their heads in shame.

    Roger

    “””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””””

    Yes, yes, yes, we know, it could all still be a trick, a way to garner funds. Go ahead and think that, but don’t pester me with such talk.

    I would be dancing in the streets if my leg did not hurt so dang much and it wasn’t so cold outside.

  • buffalo

    they mustve used very little hydrogen in there.can you imagine the gas pressure at that temp?eeyikes..

  • Ken

    The wire leads to the reactor are not large enough to support the current it would require to make that effect. All i have to say is BURN BABY BURN!!!!! Exciting

  • Robert

    Very impressive. To get anything that hot would require considerable power. The wires going to the cylinder are not all that big. Not absolute proof, but very interesting.

    What does concern me is …. this is supposedly unknown physics of a possible nuclear nature. If the real nuts and bolts are not understood, I would not want to be standing as near to this as the photographer is! I do not believe LENR experiments have been conducted at this high of a temperature. Careful consideration should be taken to safety in these unknown regions! Radiation from reactions could be different at 1200 degrees versus 300!

    This really should be in some sort of protective chamber with at least some safety shielding for both heat, possible explosion and probably even radioactivity. Not to say there is any radiation, but for unknown reactions, one needs to be safe! My experience with metal and heat leads me without doubt, that the thin, perforated metal stand would melt pretty quickly and the cylinder could wind up on the floor. Very poor testing conditions!

    This photo could show the first real burn of the “new fire” as often called. However, I would suggest that Rossi rethink his safety procedures very seriously. One accidental explosion (due to heat, metal fracture, etc or God forbid, some explosion due to some unknown reaction) could bring the authorities to close down everything!

    Pretty amazing, but a little scary due to lack of safety!

    • Roger Bird

      I hate to admit it but I agree with you.

      • Philippe Goulet

        Any body with engineering background related to induction heating here ? I think that induction heating could possibly be the only way to get this ting red hot with those size wires, but I’m no expert. Anybody knows what kind of current would be needed to achieve such effect?

        • Omega Z

          Not enough info to determine the power requirements.
          However Rossi uses resistance heater.

    • Kim

      This vessel is not under pressure.

      Andrea Rossi Checks for neutron and Gamma
      emission at all times.

      Respect
      Kim

    • Roger Bird

      Even my wife agrees with you, and she is not exactly a nuclear engineer.

      • Armchair quarterbacks. Lets see, Rossi is bright enough to discover how to tame LENR, but not able to consider nuclear danger better than “my wife”?

        • Roger Bird

          (:->)

    • Tappanjack

      Look closely, the cylinder is mounted in round mounting brackets that are probably a carbon composite.

  • Krish

    These days I miss Robert Mockan in ECW…

    • artefact

      +1

      • Roger Bird

        Who is Robert Mockan?

        • artefact

          a former visitor of this page. One day he wrote a post that he is in trouble / has problems and we haven’t seen him since then here.

          • Barry

            I hope the insane oligachs didn’t get him.

          • buffalo

            yes we demand to know where he is.

          • Stuey81

            I remember robert, what was his excat last post?

    • NJT

      Yes, his comments to this blog were invaluable, at least for me. I really miss him here and hope he is well and returns to us soon…

    • AstralProjectee

      I don’t post here a lot but I also was wondering about him. In fact I did a Google search to see when he was here last a few days ago. We use to talk some.

      I only had one real disagreement with him. That was that he thought it was a good idea to replace your body with robot cyborg parts. That is like committing spiritual suicide. Anyways………

  • David

    Wow, great!
    Thanks Passerini

  • artefact

    It states in the Pordenone report (Oktober 2012) that the temperature after 4 hours was 1050 C and the COP was 11.7
    This run from November 2012 should be similar.

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/final-update-corrected-again-pordenone-hot-cat-report/

  • Roger Bird

    How come there aren’t more comments? Did someone forget to tell these guys that the End of the World has been canceled. Or perhaps it is just late Friday and everyone is out partying. (:->)

    • Europe’s asleep, Roger, and folks here in the Americas often are out doing stuff on Fridays. It’s usually very quiet here on Friday and Saturday evenings.

    • daniel maris

      May Day weekend here (UK).

      I am afraid we are not a lot further forward but the photos are a welcome reconnection.

      • Roger Bird

        You are right. We are not farther forward, but I am farther forward. So I guess that we are a handful divided by 7 billion farther forward. But I am having a wonderful weekend.

    • NJT

      I have been paying close attention and am also impressed with this latest “hot cat” photo from Passerini. It adds more fuel to the “New Fire” we will be seeing in the months ahead – I hope!

  • artefact

    An answer from Edmund Storms to Joshua Cude’s critic on the editorial for “Infinite Energy” by Peter Hagelstein on Vortex:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg79486.html

    • Grumpkin

      His response seems to be “you are mean for making those points so I am not going to respond to them”

      I wish he would have challenged some of Cude’s points

      • artefact

        That totaly useles. He is an ueberskeptic.

  • Damon

    Hey i was wondering what kind of jobs will be required to roll out and maintain the Ecat infrastructure. Will we need power engineers? Electricians? What qualifications will be required to run, operate and install these bad boys?

    • Roger Bird

      Damon, you haven’t been around here, at least for a while. Those kinds of questions have been well worked, but more would be even more fun. It should be a gradual change, unlike the stock market that is going to bounce around like a golf ball in cement racquetball court. People working for the energy utilities will gradually move over to e-cat installation. Energy intensive industries will boom. Of course, all energy industries like coal, oil, solar, wind will take a big hit. Natural gas will diminish more slowly. It is fun to think it through.

  • sparks

    Okay, time for a little hard science lesson. The wires do not need to be thick to be supplying all that heat, specifically, at the claimed level of 10 KW. The reason is that power is the product of voltage (V) and current (I). This is known as Ohm’s law — P = V x I. So here are some ways that we could get a 10 KW dissipation in the cylinder, based on P = V x I:

    1. At 100 Volts, P=10 KW requires 100 Amps;
    2. At 1,000 Volts, P=10 KW requires only 10 Amps.
    3. At 3,000 Volts, P=10 KW requires only 3.33 Amps.

    Number 1, 100 Volts, would clearly need thick, heavy gauge wire feeds, as correctly pointed out by several folks in this thread. But for number 2, 1,000 Volts, a standard US indoor lamp extension cord would suffice. For number 3, light gauge wire that would be almost invisible in the photo would suffice. So we need to await the promised reports and customer data.

    • Roger Bird

      sparks (nice handle), nice analysis. But, I am beginning to feel that, for me, such a belief would be paranoid. I am not paranoid. I don’t think that Rossi would go to such an extent just to fool people who have no money. If he were trying to fool people via this website and the Internet, he would have done so much sooner with much more exciting flash.

      • sparks

        Understood. I’m not saying that Rossi is actually doing this (that is, using external power to heat the cylinder), but rather, I’m addressing comments in this thread that it would not be possible to get that amount of heat from thin wires. In other words, I’m just doing my part to keep the science and the due diligence on track, because, well, because why not keep it right?

        My issue all along has been the extremely short timeframes advertised by Rossi for productization. Nothing else, as can be seen by anyone who would review my past posts. I have long seen Rossi as having a “tiger by the tail” and being in nature an excitable guy who overlooks all the steps required to bring a product to market. But today we have a post by admin that is encouraging, indicating that the Rossi team may still be making good progress toward that productization goal. I originally set a 5 year timeline for all of this, and the good news is, it’s been 1.5 years since I did so. So I see it as about 3.5 years to go.

        I get “moderated” a lot. If you get this note, thank you for the feedback!

    • John

      With little insulation as shown in the pic (Hotcat to metal frame), at 1000 volts or 3000 volts, would be very hard to contain the corona and most likely to be inoperable short circuit.

      John
      EHV Test Eng

      • Roger Bird

        John, you are the man!!!

      • sparks

        I disagree. A voltage of 1,000 doesn’t take much insulation, at least not enough to create the appearance of a “thick wire” in that photo. Ask anybody who works in the electronics field (as do I).

        • John

          And what type of insulation that can withstand
          >500C and glow red hot?

          Have you seen the size of 1000V, 10A heater filament and required spaces between each turn? And specified outside insulation?

          • john

            There is a much easier way to fake the photo shot than playing around with dangerous high voltage (expensive too)!

            Digital editting
            Connect/disconnect
            Short burst of chemofuel

          • Roger Bird

            But why would anyone take a real, proven physics phenomenon (LENR) and fool a bunch of physicists and reporters and science reporters and PhDs and MSs and other folk for 25 months and not once ask anyone for money and in fact refuse money from people and also show that picture and the picture of the container(s)? What possible motivation could anyone have to do such a thing?

          • John

            I m not suggesting that was what happening in the photo but rather explaining that if someone tries to fake, one would choose other methods but high voltage.

            I m pointing out the fact that using high voltage to heat the object for the photo shot is a waste of effort/time and very dangerous. One mistake and you are done for. It’s not easy to contain high voltage at high tempt.

    • Peter Roe

      The casual way that the feed wiring is slung, often appearing to come very close (or in contact with) the dexion frame, would seem to indicate a relatively low voltage, probably standard European mains at 230V, 50Hz.

      To carry 10kVA at this voltage, two conductors would need to be something like 2.5mm dia. minimum in open air (c. 5mm2 x-section), i.e., with insulation about 4mm overall diameter. The conductors surrounding the unit look considerably thinner than that, but it is difficult to make out how many there are and which are the main incoming feeds. There seems to be some heavier black and blue wiring to the left of the unit, and if these are the other end of the black and blue wires visible in the foreground, they probably would in fact be capable of carrying the required amount of power.

      I accept that things are probably as they seem here, but the fact is that the photo is no more than encouraging – certainly not any kind of proof.

      • Roger Bird

        I’ll take encouraging.

  • iggy dalrymple

    Stuff happens. Quite a few people died during the development of dynamite, including Nobel´s brother.

  • FlanObrien

    See here for the cost of distributing energy by corporations, 22.4/31.2 AUD cents per kW !!

    https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/23057/width668/9t5gr8qz-1367308064.jpg

    Wholesale cost 8.8 cents/kW.

    This underlines not only the importance of Ecats to reduce the 8.8 cents/kW figure, but also to eliminate the 22.4 cents/kw scam. That is, provided Rossi will sell to the public instead of government controlled public/private corporations.

  • FlanObrien

    Attempt to pass moderation:

    https://c479107.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/files/23057/width668/9t5gr8qz-1367308064.jpg

    See here for the cost of distributing energy by corporations, 22.4/31.2 AUD cents per kW !!

    Wholesale cost 8.8 cents/kW.

    This underlines not only the importance of Ecats to reduce the 8.8 cents/kW figure, but also to eliminate the 22.4 cents/kw. That is, provided ecats will be sold to the public instead of corporations.

    • This Hot Cat is a lot smaller, no, than the ones we saw last October? I don’t know what to think about a picture of a Hot Cat that is six months old, when the ones we are promised are new but not yet arrived.

    • Roger Bird

      FlanObrien, OUTSTANDING analysis! So, you’re saying that the wholesale price of electricy is not even 1/3 of the savings that we could be garnering when LENR/E-Cats are installed, closer to 1/4. That is really something impressive. Thank you.

  • Omega Z

    Just to note, for those who haven’t followed this closely,

    This is a Black Body Test. Wherein the shell is painted with a Special Blend high temp(1200`C) black paint in order to obtain very accurate temp measurement using IR camera’s.

    That means it doesn’t start to show color until somewhere around 700`C. Some of the Long time Regulars can correct me if I’m wrong. It’s been awhile since this was discussed.

    As Passerini has indicated this as a near break test, It’s possible this is a test that Cures leaked info about that Exceeded 1200`C.(about 2200`F). For those who don’t know- Cures was a Rossi Confidant that leaked some E-cat info on cobraf. Caught & Silenced. 🙁

  • psi

    : ) Hopefully this is the end of war for oil.

    Or should I say, “the beginning of the end.”

  • Dickyaesta

    WOW

    I told you so……

    • Dickyaesta

      Compare picture of my toaster this morning, it says on the label of the toaster 920w

      https://www.dropbox.com/sc/x1f3kwvtdutje26/xkKdZGpjL9

      A lot of toasted bread with Hot-Cat. 😉
      Sorry a bit blurry, but I did burn my hands almost. Hehe

      • Roger Bird

        That is one heck of a toaster. Fortunately you don’t run it very long, unless you are running your own bakery.

  • Matt

    Just a reminder:
    “we will publish the photos our Customer will allow us to publish, after the plant will have been arrived at destination.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.”

    I have no idea why he showed us those truck loading pictures which have nothing to do with the US delivery. But anyway, there are still photos to come from three E-Cats having been shipped to the US. Let’s wait (patience is E-Cat-Believers’ best virtue).

    • artefact

      Why are you complaying about pictures you think were not said to be published?

      If you remember, the first question regarding potos lately on JONP where pictures where the e-cat gets fetched up.

  • Giuliano Bettini

    Me too, a little bit of gossip.
    Is the photo about the Nov 2012 tests?
    If I’m not wrong, the photo was taken on Nov 20th, 2012. 😀
    On Nov 21st Rossi wrote:
    Andrea Rossi
    November 21st, 2012 at 10:09 AM
    Dear Clovis Alan Ray:
    You merit this info: yesterday the third party validation of the Hot Cat has been completed.
    Has been good. (etc etc.).

    http://www.findexif.com/?l=1r9hJxo#results
    (Link: thanks to Pietro F. on 22passi).

    • artefact

      I knew we could find an event where that photo was made. I don’t think Daniele is at Bologna all the time in Rossis workshop. It must have been an event.

      • Roger Bird

        I would think that Passerini would be in trouble with Rossi for leaking that photo.

        • artefact

          I don’t think it is a leak. I think he got permission to publish it with Rossis transport fotos.

    • GreenWin

      Looks like this copy of the photo has been reduced to 1296×968 from 2592×1936. Not enough resolution to accurately estimate wire gauge or materials.

  • georgehants

    Now not being a qualified scientist, which means I cannot give an “opinion” without Evidence and expect the World to slavishly believe me, it looks like a piece of orange glass with a light bulb stuck in it and I am no skeptic.
    Reasons to believe otherwise please.

    • GreenWin

      Without an IR temperature read you could be correct. But the glass would have to be frosted, and metallic at the leftmost end.

      If however the cylinder is high temp steel, and the reaction is the white hot area of plasma – then JL Naudin may have found a direct conversion to electrical energy requiring no Carnot cycle:

      http://jlnlabs.online.fr/cfr/ape/apenrg.htm

      • georgehants

        Morning GreenWin, am quite prepared to believe all you guys, but if genuine had Rossi had a gang of “qualified” scientists there at the time, then their comments would certainly be entertaining to read.
        They probably would have had to ask the “expert opinions” of their peers and premier journals before saying anything about what they had seen with their own eyes.
        ——
        There is No Scientific Method
        http://bigthink.com/in-their-own-words/there-is-no-scientific-method

        • GreenWin

          George, I shall catch up later. It is very late on the west coast of NA, and I am going at last to bed.

        • Roger Bird

          georgehants, that is a GINORMOUS problem in health. I take xyz and it heals my abc and other people say the same thing and there are small studies that get the same result, but it isn’t scientific so it isn’t so. So “science” has become hijacked by the large pharmaceutical companies.

      • GreenWin

        Folks, please pay attention to the work of JL Naudin, he has identified a possible method to convert a plasma of the hot-cat variety to immediate electrical energy. It is certainly something to consider in future pursuit of efficient conversion of LENR to useful electricity.

  • rolando

    OMfknG WOW!

    • Roger Bird

      And to think that rolando did not get moderated for that. It is even more penetrating to the soul when you have to figure out what the letters mean. (:->) But I agree 100%: OMfknG WOW!

  • Dave

    If I were in A.R.’s shoes I’d be playing this exactly the same way. He doesn’t have to tell the world Jack S**t, until he’s ready. This isn’t just a science experiment it’s a “war” against the institutional global forces that don’t want it to happen. If he can pull it off he’ll be proclaimed a hero, so let the man work!!

    • David

      and a war against competitors too, probably much more dangerous for a business man.

    • lenrdawn

      I doubt that. Not because it wouldn’t make sense but because the entire setup is so totally unprotected. Look at the building on google earth (the fact that you can because the location is known is bad enough) and on recent pictures and those from October 2011. There isn’t even a fence around it. Cheap doors, glass windows, open ventilation, freely accessible from two streets. You wouldn’t need “institutional global forces” to steal whatever IP Rossi may have. Anybody with a bolt cutter could do it.

      When Rossi kept making a secret of his hidden factories in Florida, I thought it made sense in terms of protecting his IP. But it wouldn’t be worth anything if his prototypes containing all his supposed secret knowledge are so easy to get at.

      • David

        Have you seen the photos? You can see armed security guards

    • If it was “a ‘war’ a against the institutional global forces that don’t want it to happen”, then how come his first customer was military???

      Wouldn’t the military be the first to slap a national security blanket over Rossi and his work?

      • Roger Bird

        Thank you Tony and others for fighting the good fight against paranoia.

        • psi

          Right, don’t assume militaries like fighting wars for oil. They don’t make the policies.

          • Roger Bird

            I have a military in-law. He is just about the sweetest guy you could imagine. He definitely doesn’t make policies for war. Yes, I know that not all military are sweet guys. Some even like war. But it is a fact the politicians in democracies make policy.

          • iggy dalrymple

            How was the middle east war a war for oil? Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq still have their oil. Free Iraq is very hostile to the US. Only Kurdistan has allowed the usa oil concessions and the Iraqi govt hates Kurdistan.

          • Roger Bird

            Well, Iggy, soon North Dakota and LENR will make all this Middle east oil unimportant.

          • Omega Z

            iggy

            Indirectly- It’s About Oil.
            In Reality, it’s World Economics which depends on the free flow of Oil.

            The U.S. gets very little Oil from the Mid-East. In fact We could live without it. The World as a Whole can’t.

            A Single Entity who controls enough oil has major impact on supply/price. They can Wreak havoc on the World Economy.

            The U.S. due to it’s Status, Is the Worlds policemen by default. AND Contrary to what we see publicly, Most of the World prefers it that way.

            Kind of a, If It’s Not me I prefer it’s you then someone else situation.

  • Matt

    Looks like being driven to the max. Without any safety shielding whatsoever. In near proximity to electrical equipment and the 1MW plant. Fire insurance would pay nothing.

    • David

      Probably the shield was removed to take the photo

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I am trying to guess what the super skeptics will come up with when the third party confirms COP of one (1) or more? Please add any you can think of, the tongue in cheek ones are the most fun. (:
    1) Attack the scientists, and their methods, conducting the tests
    2) Doesn’t mean anything unless there is a theory
    3) Rossi controlled the test
    4) Attack Rossi for keeping his secret
    5) The Journal it is published in is not reputable
    6) The reactor is not scalable
    7) There are batteries buried twenty feet under the testing area
    8) The reactor is receiving energy wirelessly
    9) The orange glow is from tinted glass
    10) There is extra power coming through the ground wire
    11) Just a huge scam, we just can’t find any scamees

    • RenzoB

      but Rossi can’t walk on water and turn it into wine

      Rossi and the professors are all whitin 6 degrees of separation

      • Roger Bird

        I have said something like this many times and no one calls me a patho-skeptic. Real happiness comes from within and the E-Cat or LENR will not give it to us. But it will relieve a lot of unnecessary suffering among the poor and lower middle classes, where such relief is needed. It will also greatly help the environment, which benefits everyone and all the bears and cougars and mice and birds and fishes etc.

    • daniel maris

      Any of the above, but Rossi himself has said that the only real proof will be going to market and selling them. So it is when we have credible evidence of purchases and successful operation by the customers that specticism of any degree and kind will evaporate.

      • Roger Bird

        You got that right. Of course, there will still be the safety skepticism.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Just have to add one from this site

      12) “Renting a truck and a crane for an hour or so doesn’t cost much.” ha ha ha ha

    • Bob

      above @ Bernie Koppenhofer on May 4, 2013
      Gee Bernie, If the third party report confirms a COP of one (1) or slightly more, I think the skeptics will say “We told you so”.
      Are you sure that’s what you meant to say?
      You don’t seem to be aiming very high there and at a COP of one (1) I think there is a very good chance it will be achieved. In fact I would put money on it.

  • So, dont the image should be blured like when you see asphalt in a summer day ?

    • Thomas m

      I just thought the same thing, if it is so hot as it seems there should be a blur around it

    • lenrdawn

      You could probably see that with the naked eye – but not necessarily with a picture taken with 1/15 auto-exposure from a mobile phone (iPhone 4 in this case).

  • Andre Blum

    Somewhere down here in the comments section, people discuss the thickness of the wires leading up to the hot cat, and whether it could supply the power to heat it up to these high temperatures.

    The question about the thickness of the wires is irrelevant because there is no way of telling what wires were disconnected just before taking this photo. And for all we know it could even be the rack itself that supplies the power. So there are many ways to trick a photo like this.

    At some point this is just about believing that something is going on.

    It is my belief that we will soon see the 3rd party report, as promised, just as we have eventually received the safety certification that was promised. Maybe, probably, again, the report will be more amateurish or less convincing than we hope, or covering less ground. But, as before, it will fit nicely as a new point on the line towards certainty.

    • Roger Bird

      One requires a certain degree of paranoia to write and believe such a post. For me, I have reached a level of certainty with Rossi such that I believe that he can to this. If I was an investor or a publisher of a scientific journal or if my reputation as a scientist were on the line, then I would be more skeptical. But I am not. Rossi’s words are still, for me, to be taken with a certain amount of skepticism; he has proven that absolute honesty is not one of his strengths. But I accept this picture to be real.

      • Peter Roe

        I don’t think that any degree of paranoia is required to analyse the information that can be gleaned from images such as the one presented, only a degree of objectivity.

        If, as seems to be the case, externally supplied power might account for the heat indicated by the object’s colour, then there is no reason to shy away from saying so. In view of other evidence this is probably not the case, but in the absence of proper data it remains a possibility that needs to be taken into account.

        • Roger Bird

          Only if you miss the context of everything else, at least that is the case for me. To think that there is something faked about that photograph, for me, I would have to be paranoid. Analytic thinking would not do it.

          • Peter_Roe

            Rational skepticism might provide a balanced view though. Allowing for a possibility is not stating that it is so.

            As I have been following this story closely for well over two years I don’t think I have missed much of the context. This is why I said “In view of other evidence this is probably not the case”. (I note that you say you are referring to yourself in these comments, but I’m not entirely sure how to interpret this proviso).

          • Roger Bird

            I don’t see how “at least that is the case for me” can be misunderstood.

          • Peter_Roe

            The implication seems clear, but I apologise if I am mistaken.

          • Roger Bird

            Peter, I am stridently in favor of other people having the right to a different viewpoint. And with Rossi, I don’t see how there couldn’t be different viewpoints, unlike with gravity, which pulls us to the center of the Earth, which we all can and should agree on. Do you understand?

  • andreiko

    Het kleuren pallet op de vloer laat zien dat de getoonde HOTCAT in de beide uiteinden een venster bezit.

    Het licht spectrum doet mij vermoeden dat de reactie temperatuur vergelijkbaar is met de reactie temperaturen van de zon.
    Aceton als katalysator lijkt logisch omdat in verdamptevorm een enorm contact oppervlak van koolstof ontstaat na dissociatie van het C3H6O molecuul door H opname van NI, waarschijnlijk is de aanvoer van H2 nodig om dit proces en deze structuren te handhaven.

    • lenrdawn

      I think you can tell that the temperature is much lower than that from the fact that the thing isn’t disappearing as a rapidly expanding cloud of vapor through the roof.

      • andreiko

        Ik heb het over de reactie-temperatuur en niet over de temperatuur van de reactor.(:->)

        • Luca Salvarani

          English please! Or Italian if you prefer…. -)

          • Roger Bird

            Luca, stuff your lingo-centeredness up where the sun don’t shine and blow it out your ears. Everyone can be included and should be included. If we accept patho-skeptics, shouldn’t we also accept Dutch, or are they benefit patho-skeptics?

        • Dickyaesta

          Translation @Andreiko

          I am talking about reaction temperature and not about the temperature of the reactor( :> )

        • Roger Bird

          Yeah, but you are talking in Dutch and it takes a while to figure out what you are saying. But we still love you. Don’t let these meanie heads chase you away. We need every viewpoint.

          From the chart that I saw, the color of the inner white circle would be about 1200 C. not 10,000 C.

    • Dickyaesta

      Translation @Andreiko

      The color pallet on the floor shows that the shown HOTCAT a window at both ends.

      The light spectrum suggests to me that the reaction temperature is similar to the reaction temperatures of the Sun.

      Sorry for translation. I am not a scientist, but I promised to help Andreiko out when I can, dickyaesta()

      Acetone as a catalyst seems logical because in form of damp() a great contact surface of carbon arises after dissociation of the molecule through C3H6O molecule by incorporation of H recording by NI, probably is the supply of H2 necessary to this process and to maintain these structures.

      • Dickyaesta

        This maybe a better translation @Andreiko

        …..Acetone as a catalyst seems logical because in the form of damp a great contact arises on the surface of carbón after dissociation of the molecule through C3H6O by H absorption of NI, probably is the supply of H2 necessary to this process and to maintain these structures.

        Once again I am no chemical-scientist, I try to understand and then try to interpret what Andreiko wants to say but I don’t have the excact english words for it.

      • Andreiko

        Thank you very much…..

        • Dickyaesta

          Your welcome.

          • buffalo

            ek dink andreiko weet meer as hy vir ons hier wys

          • Roger Bird

            Dear buffalo, you didn’t need to do that. Accepting real difference doesn’t mean that people have be weird deliberately just to annoy or impress.

      • Ted-X

        There could be also effect of “partial” carbonylation of nickel due to the presence of a small quantity of CO from the decomposition of acetone at high temperatures. The chemistry of partially carbonylated nickel may be a contributing factor to higher efficiency. Fully carbonylated nickel is volatile – liquid or a vapor under the “cat” conditions.

    • Roger Bird

      I don’t see any shadows that would suggest that both ends are open. Please point out such shadows.

      • andreiko

        Licht reflectie op de aansluitingen zowel links als rechts van dezelfde intensiteit (reactieproces links in de reactor!)

  • artefact

    In this picture the hotcat is also visible on the right:
    http://postimg.org/image/6v14pk649/full/

    Is the man in the background armed security?

    • David

      Yes, he has a gun.

    • Luca Salvarani

      I absolutely think so! He’s maybe the personal bodyguard of Rossi.

    • Sanjeev

      There are also some other interesting things, like the “ear protectors” and a small cam on top of the Ecat with a strange tripod. An infrared cam and some cams on extreme right.

      Looks like they videoed everything in detail.

    • GreenWin

      This version of hotcat looks to have a flange on the right hand side. Components on this flange have a strange affinity to those of DGT’s Hyperion LENR device. What???

      “Defkalion’s first product is called “Hyperion” and will enter the market early next year. A cube about 20 inches on a side, it will be marketed as a heater or boiler for homes and light industry needing up to five megawatts of power.”

      http://egooutpeters.blogspot.fr/2013/04/new-energy-trends-paper-about-defkalion.html

      BTW, if you had to work around a “notoriously quirky” doctor, might you not request an armed guard??

      • Roger Bird

        LOL. I wonder if Rossi has asked for secrecy help from the mafia. Those guys know how to keep a secret.

        • David

          Landfills mafia ruined him a few years ago, so… absolutely not. 😉

    • Roger Bird

      There is no question that he is an armed guard. I LIKE IT! The faces are smudged. I just don’t understand how a scam artist could pay so many people to stand around and do nothing.

  • Buster

    Looks fake to me. A picture but of what? There’s nothing to indicate any heat is really being given off other than the glow of something in the center of the picture and that with no time frame.

    • Roger Bird

      Buster, you are new here, so you don’t have the context and history. That might be a good thing. The oldbies here may be programmed to see wonderful things.

  • AB

    Speaking of people in pictures….

    I believe Prof. Levi is in the picture (between the shipping container and the security guard):

    http://postimg.org/image/6v14pk649/full/

    Compare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7lAlzMBzLQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=1461s

    The continued involvement of Prof. Levi would be very good news.

    • Roger Bird

      I don’t remember Levi having that much belly fat, and the arms have dark hair like a younger man. We might check to see if Levi has that kind of watch on his left arm.

      • LB

        My bet is that it is Levi.
        The hairline seems to be in the right position and
        it’s easy to add a ‘few’ kg in Italy. Have you tasted their food? Yummy! 🙂

  • GreenWin

    The title “New Fire” presented by MFMP and the QuantumHeat Group seems to be catching on with the mainstream business community. The Rocky Mountain Institute, an independent think tank supporting “natural capitalism” is run by Amory Lovins (that’s TWO flavors of love!) It’s fascinating how business people judiciously avoid the term cold fusion or LENR, yet speak indirectly of its astonishing impact:

    “We humans are inventing a New Fire. Not dug from below, but flowing from above. Not scarce, but bountiful. Not local, but everywhere. Not transient, but permanent. Not costly, but free.”
    Reinventing Fire, Amory Lovins, Chairman, Rocky Mountain Inst., TED Talk 2012

    http://www.ted.com/talks/amory_lovins_a_50_year_plan_for_energy.html

    • georgehants

      When and if Cold Fusion breaks through, the main-line science machine will go into action to try and claim all the credit for the wonderful “boffins.”
      But like in many other areas of science where incompetence and corruption is rife, the Truth, because of the Internet will be far harder for them to hide as they have been able to in the past.

    • georgehants
  • georgehants

    Mr. Rossi has not commented on his usual page since the 2nd.
    The post to him showing the pictures is still not on his blog follower.
    http://www.rossilivecat.com/
    One may think that he has been surprised by the pictures and is not yet ready to comment.

    • Roger Bird

      I think that a better explanation is that we are down his list of priorities: 1st wife, 2nd ecat, 3rd dog, 4th exercise, 5th church, 6th dinner with Levi, 7th invite Focardi to lunch, 8th read the newspaper, 9th keep the e-cat fan club up to date. (:->)

      • georgehants

        Roger Ha, you could be right, but I feel it still possible he has been taken by surprise, his last update on pictures said,
        ——
        Andrea Rossi
        May 2nd, 2013 at 3:34 AM
        Dear Dr Joseph Fine:
        0- the photos of the delivery test will be published on this blog within several days, after the permission of the Customer
        ——-
        That was the day before they where published, a very quick change of mind.

        • Andre Blum

          plus: these are not photos of the delivery. These are photos of a delivery.

          • Roger Bird

            I don’t quite understand that. I think that there may be a typo.

          • Hal

            I think it’s more likely he’s just on his way back to the USA

            Congrats to admin for being included in the interview BTW 🙂 🙂

          • Thanks, Hal.

            I was happy to be invited — looking forward to it.

    • The pictures were published in an old but large (3381 entries) thread of JONP which is not included in the script that maintains rossilivecat.com. The reason is probably a programming error by the rossilivetcat maintainer or an assumption that old enough threads can be skipped. So the pictures will never appear in rossilivecat.com unless someone fixes the script. Rossi himself might not even know about the existence of rossilivecat.com which is someone else’s hobby.

  • Roger Bird

    Google translate: “Light reflection on the connections left and right of the same intensity (reaction process left in the reactor!)”

    Oh, wow, you’re right. The two horizontal arms have the same funny bluish glow.

  • Roger Bird

    In all of my years in the electronics industry, in all of my working years, I do not recall an armed guard. There were plenty of guards. But no armed guards Is this picture of the guard in Italy or in the USA.

    • LB

      The locations seems to be the same as the one where the hot hot-cat picture was taken and in that picture you can se that the electrical outlet is a european grounded outlet. Therefore my guess is Italy

  • Roger Bird

    In all of my years in the electronics industry, in all of my working years, I do not recall an armed guard. There were plenty of guards. But no armed guards. Is this picture of the guard in Italy or in the USA.

    http://postimg.org/image/6v14pk649/full/

    • Thinksforself

      Most definitely Italy. Zoom in on the warning signs they are all in Italian.

  • georgehants

    Associated Press
    New technology propels ‘old energy’ boom
    NEW YORK (AP) — Technology created an energy revolution over the past decade – just not the one we expected.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/fronts/HOME?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME

    • Roger Bird

      Georgy Porgy, I don’t see squat about energy at that link.

      • georgehants

        Admin please remove the childish remark from Roger Bird.
        He said the other day that he had put his head right, still a little way to go it seems.

        • Roger Bird

          I meant no disrespect.

          • georgehants

            Ha. o.k. Roger, no problem, thank you,

    • georgehants
      • GreenWin

        This version of the AP is clearly in bed and actively engaging with big O.

        “Suddenly, out of nowhere, the world seems to be awash in hydrocarbons,” says Michael Greenstone, an environmental economics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.”

        • Alan DeAngelis

          And suddenly there’s global cooling.
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te_FOsKL_5Q

          • Roger Bird

            Yawn.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Have you seen this one Roger?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

          • Roger Bird

            Thank you, Alan. I am just a few minutes into and I know that I am going to like it.

            At first the opponents to AGW were companies that would be hurt by such a belief. Then conservatives who don’t like change and who perhaps like companies were against AGW. But then along came scientists who said, “Hey, it ain’t so.” But liberals and lefties mix the three groups all together and fail to look at the science. And, of course, as to be expected, businesses have caved and figured out how to make money off of it, and principled conservatives have noticed that many good scientists are against AGW and have banded with the anti-AGW scientists.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah, they have an ingenious scam. They can scam us either way. If they want a carbon tax then there’s global warming. Then Rossi comes on the scene and throws a monkey wrench into their plans with his E-Cat that generates no CO2 and suddenly we see stories about global cooling (and perhaps real geoengineered global cooling with aluminum oxide aerosols http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA ). Now we need CO2 and we should tax energy sources that don’t produce CO2 (i.e. LENR).

      • Roger Bird

        Great article!!! I read every word, really. I would say that it is very reassuring, except that I am completely convinced that LENR is real.

  • iggy dalrymple

    Someone tried to explain how something that large could heat up to red/white hot, from such small wires. I disagree. However, there could be concealed larger wires.

    • LB

      P=U*I
      If you use high voltage then you don’t need high current
      If you want 10kW, you could use 2kV and 5A.

      • john

        now try to contain 2KV at >500C is another story

    • Bob

      The picture is impressive even though it only looks to be 1 to 3 kilowatts of energy. It really depends on how long it took to reach this state. If it was 10 minutes then 3 kilowatts would be more than enough.
      3 kilowatts at 230 volts would requires only 13 amps. The wires shown could easily handle this.
      If it took one hour then around 1 kilowatt would do the job at one third the current.

      Earlier claims were of outputs of 14 kilowatts which I thought were highly unlikely. Anything emitting a constant 14 kilowatts output of thermal energy needs some very good cooling around it to keep the area habitable by humans. I didn’t notice any such cooling.

      This small problem has now been attended to by claiming the new cascade reactors have a power output of 1 kilowatt. At these levels no special cooling is needed.

      • Omega Z

        Bob

        Rossi says it takes 4 hours to bring the H-Cat to temp. 4 hours to shut it down.

        • Bob

          If it takes 4 hours to reach the level of heat shown in the above photo then I have no doubt there was no assistance from any form of LENR.

          However, I will add that if the external power is removed and it stays this red for more than 10 minutes I would have the opposite view. That is, there must be considerable heat being generated inside the device.
          The problem is, we don’t know what he means by ‘shutting it down’. Does that mean cool enough to touch? Because that would take a long time, although 4 hours sounds excessive. If he means it glows red for nearly 4 hours then that would be impressive and deserving of some enthusiasm. In fact lots of it.
          So my firm conclusion is,,.. on the information provided, I don’t know.
          (I know. That’s no help at all.) 🙂

          • Omega Z

            4 hours shut down probably Equals cool enough to handle. Just based on the LT-Cat discussions way back.

          • Bob

            Even 4 hours to ‘touchable’ time would be impressive. From what I can see there is very little thermal mass to the device so I would expect in a power off condition it should be touchable within an hour or less. So I suppose it comes down to whether we can believe the claim of a 4 hour cool down time. If I believed everything Rossi said then I would be a lot more impressed

          • Roger Bird

            If you believed everything that Rossi has said with all your heart and if you believed everything that you have seen regarding Rossi with all your heart, you would be in a mental hospital. (:->)

  • Alan DeAngelis

    How many tea bags will Rossi need for the “Please, may I have a cup of tea?” boys?

  • georgehants

    From PESN
    Live Interview with Andrea Rossi Coming May 7; 4:30 pm Eastern (GMT-5)

    Memo on Time Change: (as of May 3, 5 pm MDT)
    Originally, the interview was scheduled for 3 pm Eastern, but we changed it to 4:30 pm so Frank Ackland of E-CatWorld could join us.

    Frank Ackland, a great news reporter on all things LENR, especially the E-Cat, will be joining us as well. His http://www.e-catworld.com reporting is always the first place I go when compiling the LENR Weekly reports.

    http://pesn.com/2013/05/03/9602306_Live_Andrea-Rossi_Interview_May7/

    • Rossi is yet silent since the spectacular Hot 10kw E-Cat appearance on the net,
      are there a legetimate break or/and an embarrassment ?

    • Barry

      Alright Frank! We have so many question marks hanging over our heads. Hope for some clarity.

  • Frank

    I was a little worried about lack of convection currents from the heat but then I examined pictures of red hot horsehoes (like this one http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/134183091-red-hot-metal-horseshoe-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=VWDb72Bp9pxVLdw6oXfTV1Z1j4A6gYZlsPG1O1uOGygp2AtUGV8Tt8AxOU00glrPSD2SZLYStHuWDyCccqvLQw%3D%3D )on a google search and found out that red hot metal such as horseshoes do not necessarily produce noticeable convection currents in photographs of them.

    • Roger Bird

      I am just so freaking impressed with the scientific insight and rigor and vigor that I find amongst LENR people. This helps me to decide that LENR is real.

      • Blanco69

        Agreed. Thanks for this Frank. Tim and I had chat about convection currents when the last hot cat pics came out. Your solution is simple, effective and pretty compelling. Like all the best theories.

      • Frank

        I made a statement concerning the veracity of the photo above. A reply to that statement seem to read of sarcasm because of my method of using Google for image research. however he was not specific so I was not able to address any of those concerns. it seems that his statement represents a highly emotional reaction to the possibility of LENR being real, which is sad because I was only commenting on the veracity of the photo.

        • Roger Bird

          Emotions shouldn’t be coming into this one way or the other. It is either true or it isn’t. Look how emotions (and money) have screwed up the global warming debate. Both sides won’t even read the science of the other side.

    • Peter Roe

      I get an error message when I follow your link, so here is another shot of some hot metal at a temp similar to the hot cat:

      http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/diego_cervo/diego_cervo0901/diego_cervo090100037/4181489-piles-of-hot-iron-blocks-in-foundry-narrow-focus-on-central-block.jpg

      As can be seen there is only slight edge distortion at medium red heat, as seems to be the case in the hot cat photo.

      • Peter Roe

        One thing no-one else seems to have commented on is the just-perceptible darker (cooler) band at the centre of the unit, which also gives a slight impression of constriction in the middle of the tube. This can be brought out more clearly with minor image manipulation to enhance contrast and reduce brightness.

        I have no idea of its significance – it’s just another tiny clue as to the possible internal construction of this prototype.

  • georgehants

    [FINAL UPDATE] Corrected (again) Pordenone Hot Cat Report
    LEONARDO CORPORATION
    REPORT ON THE INTERNAL TEST PERFORMED ON THE “HOT CAT”
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/10/final-update-corrected-again-pordenone-hot-cat-report/

    • Hampus

      Why?

  • iggy dalrymple

    Speaking of lenr dangers, d. J. Cravins recently posted at vortex that he received/breathed a near fatal dose of nano-nickel powder.

    • Peter Roe

      If so then he may not be entirely out of the woods yet – as well as being toxic, nickel dust is classified by the EPA as a Group A human carcinogen.

      • Rossimyhero

        Silly silly nickel powders safe are of course targets of mainstreams EPA now. Bad sciences will use all tricks to stop our revolutions!

      • All metallic dusts are toxic as is most types of ordinary dust. Nano powders and particles are worse not by composition but by form. If you breath water and do not to take the sensible ordinary precautions you can breath a near fatal dose.

        However the toxicity of nickel is extremely low. This is
        even more true when compared to nearly all industrial substances.

  • Protz

    But will it blend? 😉

  • Hampus

    Admin I have some questions for your talk with Andrea Rossi.
    1. How many plants have he sold and delivered?
    2. Where were these plants built?
    3. How is his plans for a European factory going?

    • NJT

      Also admin, please query him on the current status of the home units and the number of units requested to date, and his current estimation on when these will be made available to his priority list of orders, etc…

      • daniel maris

        And ask him when a user of his product will be identified so that they can be asked whether the product is working well.

    • Roger Bird

      Frank, please ask him if he has a son or daughter of marriageable age. I have both, and they are very nice and beautiful people, in every sense of the word. (:->)

      • Omega Z

        Ha! Roger

        The American Dream is no longer to buy a home.
        The American Dream is to get your Kids out of the One You Own. 🙂

        • Roger Bird

          LOL. Yes, that is probably the case with most families. But in the Bird family, my children are so sweet and wonderful and witty and balanced and interesting and fun and responsible that getting them to come home and visit is our American Dream. YES, I am bragging about my kids.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Thanks,Pachu. Tornado in Bologna! I though it was caused by a run-away Hot-Cat!

    • Roger Bird

      Tornadoes are mostly a USA event. Those people probably didn’t know what was happening. This is the first time that I have heard of a tornado in the Mediterranean region; too much moderating influence of the Mediterranean Sea. There are a few tornadoes in Russia and Australia, otherwise we the USA own this lovely and deadly event. I am surprised that no one was killed.

  • Jim

    I’m scratching my head over the context of this photo.

    “The photo below shows an experiment in which the hot-cat was pushed almost to the breaking point” (from Passerini’s post)

    No instrumentation, no safety screens, generic rack sitting in the middle of a floor, cylinder the size of a large pagnotta inferred to be ferociously radiating 1000C heat into a large warehouse space…

    Pushed almost to the breaking point?

    Can anyone suggest a narrative in which these parts fit together?

    • I recall that in some older video interview Giuseppe Levi (or maybe it was Focardi) told that they had torture-tested E-cats in some Bologna university bunkers. Maybe they already know from such tests what happens in case of overheating.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      To be honest, I’m a little baffled too. We’ve heard about exploding LENR experiments and you’d say such a test would have more instrumentation and safety screens around them, but apparently a camera is all that is needed. It must be a very, very safe process this hot-cat. I suppose it will simply melt down at some point but still…

      Not what I would have expected.

      That said, I’m still exited about Rossi’s ecat’s. Just hoping for some more world breaking news than just a few pictures. Let’s have this independent report out!

      • Roger Bird

        I’m confused. ZZZ said he was exiting the picture, then he said that he was looking forward to the independent report. Well, which is it? (:->)

        I just about always reread and correct my posts, any post, any writing, any where, several times.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorrander

          Don’t really follow you here Roger, what’s not clear about my post?

          I said I wondered about certain issues of their test. However, since we do not know more about the specifics of the test, speculating is the only thing we can do. Just as Jim did. I did not say I don’t believe the picture, just that for a test it seems a little casual.

          Then I stated that I’m still exited about the ecat.
          However the independent report is something else as that picture and I consider this make or break for Rossi. From that report we will know the specifics of the test.

          Not seeing the reading problem here.

          • Roger Bird

            ZZZ, I was actually telling a joke about your misspelling of the word exciting. You wrote exiting. (:->)

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            And I did it again 🙁

            Man, I take things way too seriously lately. Anyway, I’m gonna exite to bed now 😉

    • lenrdawn

      The outer temperature of the cylinder should be something like 700-800C, which is pretty far from melting (assuming it is steel) and can easily be reached with purely electrical heating – so the picture doesn’t prove anything as long we don’t know what the input power was. In terms of security, it would certainly lead to serious hassle with any insurance company if the cylinder got lose for whatever reason, rolled around on the floor and set fire to something. But the floor is concrete and if there were people and enough water or sand around, the risk was certainly manageable. The risk from radiation is something we can’t fathom anyway. If 5/6th of the energy came from thermalizing gamma rays in such a thin metal layer (Rossi’s early theory), Passerini would have died shortly after he took the picture from a mere 1.6m away. So it must be either a totally different effect or no effect at all or the picture was taken during a dry run.

  • daniel maris

    A classic exchange…the crucial and not very difficult to answer questino is skifully avoided…

    Petter Ekfors
    May 4th, 2013 at 6:17 AM
    Dear Andrea Rossi,
    It was nice of you to publish pictures from the shipping of the Mega-Cat. There were also some pictures from your workshop where we could see another Mega-Cat. Earlier we have learnt at this site that another plant was to be delivered to its customer by the end of last month. So how many Mega-Cats have you built altogether by now?
    //Kind regards, Petter Ekfors

    Andrea Rossi
    May 4th, 2013 at 5:31 PM
    Dear Petter Ekfors:
    The next ones will be manufactured in the USA.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Andre Blum

      I state again that it is my firm belief that all 7 photo’s show the same 1 MW E-cat (despite the different casing of the reactors on top of the container), and that this is still the same oktober 2011 container, although upgraded.

      • Redford

        I state that it is my firm belief you should read this and realise why your statement is depressing to me:

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/04/whats-happening-on-april-30th/

        This is the same, as announced by Rossi himself. So what you think is a bold and insightful take of you on the matter simply is a strong assesment of you giving uninformed advice.

        Don’t get me wrong, the explanation on why it’s the same is suspicous to me as it probably is to you once read, but at least as you want to give opinion start with getting your facts straight, so there is actually room for relevant debate in answering to you.

        • jfab

          You don’t understand. Andre isn’t saying it looks the same. We all know it looks the same, a big blue container, so your reply is really meaningless. What he says is that it IS the same. And I indeed believe the same thing.

    • Roger Bird

      So?

    • Lukedc

      What happened to the automated production line?

      • Redford

        Someone doublecheck me but from what I remember the home cat one was stopped when it became clear Rossi wouldn’t get certification on it without some years of exploitation in industrial plants. He said repeatedly (and again in the very last days) that now 1MW plant will be maid on the automated production line in the US. Which is just his word.

        • Patrik

          Why should it be difficult to obtain certification? How is a normal gas boiler certified in Europe when the manufacturer has no industrial products? The requirements are written in the Gas appliance directive and the relevent standards. It is only to show tht the requirements are fulfilled.

    • Peter Roe

      “The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.”
      ― Terry Pratchett, from ‘Diggers’

    • lenrdawn

      Oh please. An open mind still has to include all possibilities. Once real and known customers are showing that they’re getting more energy out than in and once the report from all those professors got published in Science or Nature you may think about playing the “open mind” card if somebody dares to doubt what your “hero” says – but for now it only shows that you’ve made your mind up and can’t cope with the 99.x% who haven’t.

    • Roger Bird

      I find this very sweet. Not a good way to decide a matter of fact, but a nice way to run a life, assuming that one has the wisdom and discrimination to avoid bad people. (:->) Unfortunately Rossi can never be my hero because I already of a Hero who is Infinitely Better.

  • Morgan

    the suppression of LENR has begun! -http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/02/republican-congressman-introduces-bill-to-require-political-approval-of-scientific-papers/

    • lenrdawn

      I couldn’t help laughing when I read that. First of all, this guy is a nutcase and if his ideas about science would ever result in a law, you should all migrate to Canada.
      Secondly, he most of all seems to be pushing against AGW science – not LENR. There are lots of AGW deniers on this side, too – using much the same arguments as this Lamar Smith does.

    • Peter Roe

      In US politics its always difficult to determine whether proposals like this are acts of stup*dity by individuals acting out of ignorance, or part of an agenda set by their ‘sponsors’. Hopefully the suggestion will sink without trace, but either way military and corporate interests will ensure that the research they want done will continue, regardless.

    • It’s only a proposal by a single congressman and is probably doomed to disappear. However, an unfortunate longer term (10-15 year) trend in U.S. science and government has been away from openness. ITAR restrictions for exporting hardware and knowledge are nowadays seriously impacting space collaboration. As an illuminating example, here is the publication list of a typical U.S. space company: http://www.tethers.com/TUPubs.html. Publications in the list which are not hyperlinks (roughly 50%) are those which are covered by ITAR, as text on the top of the page says.

      Another example is that my colleague recently visited a U.S. lab whose director he has known for years. During earlier visits they had routinely given him a tour in their space lab, but by some recent change of rules it was no longer possible.

      There has been some high level talk about easing ITAR rules for space because in many cases it makes it impossible for U.S. companies to sell their components to international missions. However, at the moment the rules are still in place and actually tightened.

  • Roger Bird

    I really liked this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

    Where is Fibb and Marbles when we need them, or when they need us I should say.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS. Here’s the sequel to the other geoengeenering video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEKdGa8-I24

      • Roger Bird

        OK, I am not going to watch the whole thing because there is nothing that I can do about it and it is too upsetting. The first one I like because it gave me ammunition against AGW advocates.

    • It’s a propaganda video against climate science. Their message is: stop worrying and buy oil.

      Oil industry hasn’t yet noticed LENR. But they have noticed AGW. They are big and cannot react fast.

      • HeS

        @PJ:”stop worrying and buy oil.”

        This motto is better: “Be worry, buy CO2”?

      • Roger Bird

        Propaganda being defined as information that does not fit your hysterical paradigm that is based upon lies and important omissions, like the Medieval Warm Period, the Little Ice Age, the Holocene Maximum and anything else that gives you cognitive dissonance. I will be extremely happy when we to get off oil and coal, and I doubt that there is a single solitary scientist who believes in solar climate control who is pleased with oil and coal per se as fuels. But AGW is a BIG, FAT LIE and many environmental activists act like the freaking Red Guards.

        Just because oil and coal companies were the first to oppose the AGW theory does not mean that real scientist don’t have legitimate problems with AGW. If you were to watch the video, you would see why. I know that you didn’t watch the video because I don’t watch the pro-AGW videos. No one likes cognitive dissonance. But be brave and watch you whole world turn up-side-down. Or aren’t you brave enough?

        • According to well-understood radiative balance models, CO2 and other greenhouse gases play a large role in controlling Earth’s temperature. The theory behind it is consistent with paleoclimatic data and data from other planets. Climate also varies for a number of other reasons which are often more prominent than the CO2 effect in decadal or shorter timescale.

          Unfortunately, because of large economic interests involved, the climate issue is thoroughly politicised which makes reasonable discussion difficult. It is also true, as you say, that some people (not climate scientists) went hysterical at some point and wanted to “see” evidence of AGW in a fast timescale where the observed variability is likely due to something else.

          If, as it much seems, AR has what he claims he has, the climate issue probably becomes rather unimportant in the future in practical terms. However, also in that case I will continue to dislike disinformation campaigns against legitimate science.

          Climate is off-topic for this site and for my part I would like to stop its discussion here.

          • Roger Bird

            No. Watch the movie.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, do you not agree that the scientific incompetence and corruption shown with the Cold Fusion story and again with Global Warming should be highlighted here to help stop the same thing happening again in other areas.
            To protect Cold Fusion all examples of the failures of science are on topic.
            I would suggest looking again at the incompetent and probably corrupt handling of the UFO phenomenon that shows up science, as with Cold Fusion at it’s indefensible worst.

          • For CF, yes; but it’s wise to wait for facts before setting up a court. For AGW, it’s presently almost like a civil info war where both sides resort to mudslinging tactics; it is my impression however that the greater culprit in that case is the anti-AGW campaign run by fossil fuel industry and exemplified above. Which does not justify wrongdoings by the other side of course.

          • georgehants

            Ha, Pekka you always diplomatically, miss the point.
            I am asking do you not agree that to help solve the debacle with Cold Fusion etc. it is right to highlight all scientific incompetence.
            Such as the complete incompetent farce concerning the Evidence and Research of Global Warming, that once again shows that science cannot be trusted to do Science.

          • Roger Bird

            Pekka, I made this point elsewhere: The science is independent of the business interests. Initially, oil businesses became anti-AGW because of their financial interests. Then following very close on their heals came the conservatives, since conservatives don’t like change and do like capitalism. Oil businesses then caved and withdraw their support of the anti-AGW movement because businesses always go with the crowd, for financial reasons. But conservatives are a stubborn lot, and they discovered that there were scientists who said that it ain’t so. The conservatives actually rescued these scientists from obscurity, and the scientists have a VERY good theory that matches the data MUCH better than the AGW theory. You needn’t ask us to watch an AGW video because we have been awash in AGW video and news reports and academic lectures and TED talks, etc. etc. for 15 years. You need to watch that movie, and you will be born again.

      • Peter_Roe

        I don’t think it’s quite that simple to dismiss the evidence of high level aluminium and barium contamination of land, water and even fresh snow an many places, or the thousands of videos and stills showing evidence of widespread ‘artificial cloud’ propagation on youtube.

  • Linda

    Does anyone else have a problem with this photo? I can’t see how those thin steel girders wouldn’t be glowing and buckling. Also looks like tape, nylon rope and/or insulation within inches of that thing. This photo is not helpful 🙁

    Can anyone explain this?

    • Peter Roe

      I wouldn’t expect enough heat transfer to cause any structural damage to the dexion-type rack framing, but I am slightly surprised by the lack of any trace of smoke from the non-heat-resistant paint on the framing close to the unit, or from non-heat-resistant wires that are too close (its rather unlear what purpose the thinner wires might serve – maybe they are just safety restraints or similar).

      Also the end caps to which the 2 sets of 3 heat resistant wires are attached seem to be much cooler than the body and interior of the unit, which is a little odd. Possibly this is because they are attached to the bent-up dexion mountings, which may act as a heat sink.

      The localised ‘hot spot’ doesn’t seem to be attracting as much speculative comment as I would expect. Perhaps it indicates damage or a fault in contruction which has locally increased the heating effect for some reason (concentric walls closer together at this point perhaps?).

      • To my eyes the red cylinder doesn’t look completely uniform in thickness, but it has a waist like a coca-cola bottle. Maybe it’s an optical effect caused by heated air.

        • Peter Roe

          Yes I noticed that (commented in another post). I wondered if the apparent ‘waist’ is the result of a slightly cooler band at the centre of the tube, perhaps indicating bilateral symmetry in the internal construction?

          • lenrdawn

            No, can’t be. First of all, the heat is almost uniformly distributed (judging by the color) and secondly, the thermal expansion of steel is too small to identify a small temperature gradient on such a low res picture with the naked eye. I’m betting on a lens effect, too (the thing usually described as heat haze but normally not represented as a blur but rather a static distortion when seen on a reasonably short exposure photography).

          • Omega Z

            Peter

            I believe that’s an optical illusion as that end is slightly cooler.

          • Peter_Roe

            Omega

            It does look grey at both ends, which might indicate cooler surfaces there. More intriguing is the central darker band that gives an illusion of narrowing at that point. It seems to reflect some end-to-end symmetry internally, i.e., 2-part construction within the tube.

          • Omega Z

            Yeah-
            That might just be pixel burn on our eyeballs- 🙁

            Yes- I see it. Interesting

      • andreiko

        De bedrading is juist een bewijs dat er rekening gehouden is met hoge temperaturen vanuit de langezijde van de HOTCAT, juist op die plaats (de langezijde)ligt de bedrading buiten het frame!Gegalvaniseerde profielen roken niet, bovendien kunnen ze door relatief groot oppervlak warmte gemakkelijk aan de omgeving afstaan.De contactpunten met de HOTCAT zijn hittebestendige aansluitingen.

        • Dickyaesta

          Translation @Andreiko

          The wiring is just a proof that high temperatures were taken into account from the long edge of the HOTCAT, precisely on that place (the long side) is the wiring outside the frame! Galvanized profiles, don’t give of smoke, by relatively large surface heat can easily be dissipated to the surroundings.The contact points with the HOTCAT are heat-resistant connections.

    • dayton

      This photo is balogna. Can anyone deduce what a rectangular box with a
      light bulb turned on inside really represent. Yah, I’m becoming
      frustrated with all the vaporware. What scientific report?
      Mr. Rossi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Patrik

        Normally, a test set up for a high temperature device of any kind should include insulation for sensitive cables etc, stainless steel tubes and other typical lab details including the sensors and cabbles for the data acquisition. This is a very strange picture. There are something on both the left and right side of the cylinder. It looks very much like plastic tubes. Can anyone tell me what material it really should be, and with that colour? And it also seems to operate totally without cooling. The heat exchange is only by radiation and natural convection.

      • Roger Bird

        Dayton, I have never seen you here before, although you may be a lurker. So, I am thinking that you may not be getting the context. Yes, absolutely, taken by itself, that picture is pretty close to meaningless, unlike the Trinity Test of nuclear fission that would get anyone’s undivided attention, assuming that they had any attention left to get. But within the context of LENR being proven and all of the other things that have happened over the past 2 years with regard to Rossi and LENR, that picture is very impressive. Not proof, but impressive.

        • It is the convincing proof of excess of heat.

          • Roger Bird

            I think so. I’d say that that is excess heat. Very excess. Perhaps a little too much excess.

        • And ..beautifully impressive.

        • dayton

          Yes, I have been around a while and speak up when there
          is something to say.
          I placed an order with Rossi to be on his customer list
          for the E-CAT 5Kw unit about Mar. 2010, I really don’t
          remember the date waiting for certification. This photo
          is stolen without permission. So where are Rossi’s pictures, where is any report from Focardi, from Sweeden?
          I’ll tell you my greatest anxiety concerning this time
          of no press. This device, if real, will destroy jobs
          all over the globe and the multi-nationals and Governments are aware. The suppression of the press is disturbing. There is NASA and others but we are now entering a cold climate change. I want you to call up
          world climate temp charts back to 500K B.C. There you will see when ever CO2 gets to a zenith a new ice age
          follows.
          best regards

          • Roger Bird

            “This device, if real, will destroy jobs all over the globe and the multi-nationals and Governments are aware. The suppression of the press is disturbing.”

            If Big Oil is aware of LENR, how come they are going crazy in Illinois leasing property: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/southern-illinois-braces-for-oil-rush-as-fracking-regulations-considered-by/

            There is no suppression of the press. That is paranoia. There is just liberals refusing to read Fox News and conservatives refusing to read all the mainstream news outlets. People are censoring themselves because they don’t have the cojones to look outside their own paradigm.

    • LB

      What if the hotspot i caused
      by a high power co2 laser?
      In some other pictures you can seee a large white
      box nearby with a ventilation hose

    • Roger Bird

      I don’t see any tape. Perhaps you have better resolution. I see something on the left end holding it or leaning up against it, but in any case in the line of sight of part of the left end, but I see nothing that I would have identified as tape either with or without your suggestion.

    • kasom

      what we see is an iphone snapshot of low quality, what we don’t see is any reason why Daniele Passerini should have faked that damn foto and leaked it 6 month later with the exif data in it………..

    • Dan

      1). The point of contact between the cylinder and the supports can’t be any more than a square millimeter or so. Not enough to make the supports very hot.
      2) everyone is assuming that the shape of the heat producing element is cylindrical . Could be that for efficient heat transfer to the fluid it’s better for it to be localized to one end

      Basically it’s interesting but pointless to speculate

  • Mick D

    I do not think this is at 10 kW. The device is unloaded – no heat exchanger. It is like pushing the clutch and gas pedal to the floor in your car. The engine has a rev limiter preventing damage. This IMO is a photo of a “qual” test of a non delivered unit stressed to max temp. The internal circuits throttle the unit down when temp exceeds a preset value below destruction. Many customers would require such a witnessed test.

  • Gérard2013

    A great hope happens in reality. This may be a new world begins.

    In french

    Un très grand espoir arrive dans la réalité. C’est peut-être un nouveau monde qui commence.

  • sparks

    Folks, it is both amusing and almost alarming to read some of the posts on this site, equating skepticism to something bordering on either paranoia or worse, almost evil intent. Let us all bear in mind that — please forgive my caps here — WITHOUT SKEPTICISM THERE IS NO SCIENCE.

    Every schoolchild is taught hat the scientific method requires that we question everything — and especially our own experimental or theoretical results! No scientific career will survive a lack of critical thinking. All possibilities must be considered and tested from every angle, until all possible doubt or risk of misinterpretation is eradicated. This is the responsibility of every scientist.

    Let us not lapse into a medieval mindset. Let’s keep the debate alive and wait for more data to eliminate the areas of doubt.

    • georgehants

      Sparks do you agree that there is no “scientific method” other than that we, with no deviation of any kind, clearly search for and find the Truth.

      • Redford

        Don’t know for Sparks but for myself there’s no such thing a “the Truth” in real life. Truth is a concept invented by our specy that is forever out of our reach. It’s a goal promoting an attitude toward the facts but ultimately, there is no conclusion we can get out of those that is not our own specific, subjective processing.

        Not to say there is not a lot such a process can make. But is the Truth ? Certainly not.

        • georgehants

          Redford, just circular philosophic hogwash that people who are afraid of the Truth use to distract from the perfectly reasonable definition of the word, for everyday use, in any dictionary.
          Do you not agree that anybody who is afraid of the Truth and who does not clearly state that as their goal, has no place in Science

          • Roger Bird

            Jack Nickolson: “You can’t handle the truth”.

            The Philosophical Treasure of Sierra Madre: “Truth? Truth? We don’t need no stinking truth.”

          • georgehants

            Sorry Roger, missed your important point.
            Clarify please.

          • Roger Bird

            There was no point. I was just trying to be funny, being a goof. And there was no malicious intent either.

        • sparks

          I think your post immediately below answers the question “what is truth?” As a working definition, we can take “truth” to be any phenomenon that can be replicated, as you say, independently by others, that is, by anybody (not just selected others who might be “in on it).” That’s a good working definition for science.

    • Redford

      “Every schoolchild is taught hat the scientific method requires that we question everything ”

      The scientific question is first about replication. Asking for it, acknowledging there is when there is. Important stuff are september report and hopefully incoming full blown article. Pictures are interesting once the authenticity of Rossi’s work is supported by replication. Once it is, thus, it has a documentary interest.

      • georgehants

        Redford, may I ask you again, do you agree that the first and only important “method” of any benefit to Science is —
        To find the Truth with no distractions and if a Temporary Truth cannot be found, Temporary as all Truths can be later overridden by a deeper Truth, than stand up and declare, we do not know, we need more Research and Evidence.

    • Andrew Macleod

      It’s alright to question everything but when people close their minds and ears they won’t be asking any questions.

    • Roger Bird

      Dear sparks, I used the word “paranoia” with regard to my own thinking, not anyone else’s. I would hope and expect that those who have not had the LENR/Rossi experience that I have had to be skeptical. If not, then they are in the wrong place. I am convinced that Rossi is about to blow the lid off of the box of conventional energy theory and practice. But that does not mean that “hey I want to you look at that picture and if you are not convinced then you are paranoid and not a true unicorn believer kum ba ya”. (:->)

  • Sandy

    “Spectacular” is an apt description.

    “Breathtaking” and “stunning” could also be used to describe the Hot Cat shown in this photograph.

    I’m gobsmacked.

    • lenrdawn

      Is it just me or does every post suddenly smell like planted sarcasm? Anyway, the picture shows a tube furnace running at about 700 or 800 C. That is nothing gobsmacking, breathtaking or stunning as such. It only would be if the electricity the device receives through the wires wouldn’t be enough to account for the heat it loses through radiation and convection. Since the picture doesn’t come with that data attached, it is pretty meaningless (and not exactly new either – sorry, admin, no criticism involved – keep up the good work, even when there is little new to report at times).

      • Roger Bird

        lenrdawn, I couldn’t agree with you less. If you assume that LENR is real and that Rossi had something extraordinary in October 2011 and that he has been very busy for the past 1.5 years and that he has better things to do with his valuable time than to deceive people and mess with their minds, then this picture, although it doesn’t prove anything, is very impressive. And those assumptions mentioned above for me are long decided as being true.

        • lenrdawn

          And do you remember when or what changed you from observing evidence “as is” to being very impressed by it? I ask because I haven’t passed that threshold yet and don’t understand how anybody can be that convinced at this stage (when practically nothing is proven and the story can go either way). Don’t get me wrong. For me, the picture shows nothing to write home about and everything that would make it impressive is just, as you say, assumptions. There is no data. For all we know, it could be a dry run drawing two or the kW from the grid. It certainly isn’t a reactor running at 10 kW. So what exactly is impressive about it other than your assumptions (which are, as you say, long decided anyway and certainly didn’t require this picture for confirmation of anything).

          • Roger Bird

            The scenario of Rossi giving generally truthful statements about his progress combined with this picture is less complicated than a scenario of Rossi being a stone liar or a crook or insane combined with this picture. I invoke Occam. The less complicated picture is probably the true one. But that is just me.

          • artefact

            and me.

          • psi

            And me.

          • lenrdawn

            Depends on what you call “complicated”. With many, if not most, of what Rossi said in the past two or three years, I find it infinitely more complicated to twist it into a consistent reality than assuming that he is lying most of the time – probably habitually. Same with this picture. If you want to apply Occam, then wouldn’t it be much less complicated to assume that this is an electrically powered tube furnace than a totally unknown, nuclear reaction during a stress test, running completely unshielded with human beings just a few meters away and yet still alive? How many wonders would that need to be true (and trusted to the point of risking your life and others’ on it) compared with the first, simplest and easiest explanation? So, yes, I apply Occam, too. Only with different perception of what is complicated and what isn’t.

  • buffalo

    mr lenrdawn,only an idiot would think that.i dont see any problems with mr rossimyhero,s post.

  • I like this photo very much. Especially the gray rings on the orange ends.

  • captain

    Where to put a lot of hot e-cats? Maybe here?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XrfGEU9PrEI
    Wait’n see 😉

    Ask the cruise lines if they would like to save … thi$…

    • captain

      An idea, Frank!

      Why not asking mr. Rossi if his am. partner could supply e-cat power plants to cruise ships like the one built now in Trieste (Italy), and possibly in other two italian shipyards, Venice and Genoa? In fact very close to … Bologna/Ferrara, BTW 😉

      IMHO a skilled company, say Babcock & Wilcox could do it easily, just as an example, of course!

  • Ecat
  • AB

    I voted “don’t know” on the poll because frankly it’s impossible to tell from a picture alone. I’m leaning more towards real though.

    It could be a glass tube with a light bulb inside. On the other hand, and admittedly as layman in these matters, I would expect glass tube with a light bulb inside to appear differently to the observer.

    The red color is very uniformly distributed, except for a slightly darker if well defined ring in the center. This to me suggests that the red material is red hot metal and that the ring is section of the tube which absorbs/handles heat differently. If it was a glass tube with a ring of paper or some similar semi-opaque material then I would expect the ring to cast a shadow which expands to the far side of the light bulb and gradually decreases in strength. The red would also not be as uniform across the tube (simple math, one end would receive far more light than the other).

    As for the white hot spot, it also seems to be more concentrated in one spot than what one would expect from a light bulb.

    Generally to me this object appears to be more consistent with a red hot metal tube with a hot spot than a red glass tube lit by a lightbulb.

  • Roger Bird

    What bothers me most is seeing environmentally active young people acting very much like the Red Guards. People getting all hysterical and destroying property, lives, and reputations is no sign that they have the truth on their side. When, not if, but when the solar climate change theory becomes accepted by just about everyone, these people will not be apologizing for the destruction and hurt that they have sewn.

    • Lenart

      Roger Bird,

      As a Representative of the young environmentally active generation I would like to apologize for our behavior. We all pitched in for some flowers and they will be arriving shortly.

      • Roger Bird

        Dear Lenart, that is very cute and sweet, and I know that you are being a bit sarcastic. I notice that frackers are looking with slavering greed at southern Illinois, which I understand to be particularly beautiful: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/06/southern-illinois-braces-for-oil-rush-as-fracking-regulations-considered-by/ Now that I see that LENR is just around the corner, I may come out of the closet as an environmentalist, but NOT a proponent of AGW. (:->) The science really isn’t there. Scientists who are slavering after funding have punked you and an entire generation of young people.

  • MStone

    Real…Fake….

    I vote that “red hot” by Motley Crue should be played every time this picture is viewed.

  • Roger Bird

    OK, people, my screen was zoomed in, and so I could not see that there is a survey over to the right. Perhaps you’all didn’t see it, so I bring it to your attention.

    My side is winning, and since consensus science rules (at least in climate science) I win. But, seriously, vote.

    Also, there is an ad to the left for the American Cancer Society. The ACS spends 29% of it’s income on research devoted only to chemo, radiation, and surgery and nothing else. I wouldn’t personally give them the sweat from my underarm. When they say that they need our help to finish the fight, I say it would be nice if they had even started the fight. Cancer research has made no progress whatsoever in 50 years. They are exactly in the same position as hot-fusionists. Send us your money and we will have a cure (or over unity) in 50 years. Their problem is that they refuse to fund anything other than chemo, radiation, surgery, and the “killing cancer” paradigm, rather than the “strengthening the body” paradigm. As far as I can tell, the ACS is a money making operation for it’s owners and workers.

    • Anthony Rockel

      “Strengthening the body”? Well, you obviously haven’t bothered to acquaint yourself with the extensive work on immunotherapy and its clinical applications that has been going on in cancer research for over a decade, besides which, a number of cancers are already curable.

      • Roger Bird

        I looked in Wikipedia and they called it “junk science”.

        Just kidding.

        It is a step forward, and I have heard of it. However, after the person has been cured of that particular cancer, he/she is not necessarily a healthier person because the therapy utilized a very mere, tiny fraction of the person’s whole physical body. Gerson et. al. use(d) the entire person, including lifestyle to effect cures. And, please, for God’s sake, don’t say that Gerson is unproven junk science. The cancer mafia raises the level of proof so high that only pharmaceutical companies can afford “proof”. Immunotherapy is obviously better than chemo, radiation, and surgery, but it is very fractionalistic or partialistic, the opposite of holistic.

    • Peter_Roe

      Agreed – well said.

    • georgehants

      Roger as there clearly is not enough definitive Evidence to say otherwise, the only scientific answer is “don’t know”
      It would appear that anybody saying otherwise is merely stating an “opinion” that has been and is the most destructive thing that destroys science.
      To just have fun and guess if genuine is fine as long as clearly kept away from any part of Science.

      • Roger Bird

        georgehants, I don’t know which part of my post you are referring to. I stand by all and any negative statement that I have made about the ACS.

      • Barry

        +1 (Georges comment)

  • Fisher

    This is a very nice photo. It gives some level of transparency but it still leaves a lot of questions. I wonder…Why not post a video of this same scene. It wouldn’t show any more of the machinery and process, so to speak, but it would show the distortions of heated air around the object. You have to admit that such a video would be pretty revealing and yet not give away any trade secrets.

    • Ecco the Dolphin

      According to some discussions I google-translated from 22passi, it looks like a video might actually reveal something. The large amount of hearing protection headsets laying around (I counted 7) in one of the photos provided by F.Fabiani on Rossi’s blog might be a clue.

      Besides, Passerini stated that he won’t reveal anything more about what happened in this photo.

  • captain

    Picture, video… of an hot e-cat reactor… better listen to Rossi’s words.

    Time ago I’ve heard that the hot e-cat had a melting point of approx 1250-1300deg C and that the reactor was producing hot dry steam at 600C approx: and that was good enough.

    Now, the Rossi’s e-cat has an improved melting point of 1500C approx, and it can deliver safely hot dry steam at 800C approx: AN EXCELLENT NEWS.

    Gherardo
    May 6th, 2013 at 2:54 AM

    Dott.Rossi,
    In the past for the first e-cat you said that the reaction in case of malfunction (forgive my inaccurate wording) would melt the core and the reaction would extinguish.
    I was looking at the picture with the hot-cat cylinder red hot for the 800+ degrees temperature reached on the outside and was thinking how is that runaway situation now for the hot-cat.
    Thanks, Gherardo

    Andrea Rossi
    May 6th, 2013 at 8:30 AM

    Dear Gherardo:
    For the Hor Cat are valid the same considerations made for the E-Cat. The melting point of Ni is around 1500 C.
    Anyway that photo ( that has been published without our authorization, and we do not know how it has been leaked) is referred to a destructive test- experiment we made about 6 months ago. The stability temperature of the Hot Cat is around 350 Celsius
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • Bob

      It’s strange that Rossi says the photo is of a “destructive test” and yet there is no blast shielding or other saftey measures visible. It’s just sitting out on the workshop floor next to the 1Mw unit.
      Not only that, there was someone close enough to take photos of it.
      Although there are no other people shown in the photo so maybe the rest of the workshop were hiding in the tea room. Who knows?
      Anyway, if that’s how hot it gets at the point of destruction I think the reports of 800 degrees plus are a bit over the top. The small pale yello area up the left side would be about that but the rest of the cylinder is not.
      Too many ifs and buts to come to any definitive conclusion.

      • captain

        http://www.cobraf.com/forum/PostsByAuthor.php?authorid=3994
        Interesting news but mainly comments are coming from Italy, thus the above link (in italian, sorry).

        And the blogger Cures, is missing now from that blog list!

        And another blogger, is no longer posting his comments…

        E-cat is born in Italy, prototypes and first 1MW plants are coming from the boot too, thus…

        • Roger Bird

          I won’t be stuffing all of that text into Google Translate.

  • Krish

    I voted “Don’t Know” regarding my view of the hot cat photo.

  • clovis ray

    These were dated, may 16th,2013, that’s all I know about them, sorry. but they really look like they were taken at the same time.