Rossi Doesn't Believe in Hydrinos

Thanks to Sammy for bringing attention to this brief, but interesting Q & A on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. Like him, I’m a bit surprised that Andrea Rossi answered this question because it deals with the theory of a potential competitor — Blacklight Power, and he says his policy is not to discuss competitors. The hydrino theory (where normal hydrogen atoms ‘shrink’ under the BLP process) is central to Randell Mills’ explanation of the excess energy that is reportedly being produced in BLP’s systems.

SammyM
January 15th, 2014 at 12:30 PM
Dear Andrea Rossi,
Do you believe in hydrinos?

1- Yes
2- No
3- Don’t know
4- You can’t comment on this at this time

Kind regards,
SammyM
Canada

Andrea Rossi
January 15th, 2014 at 2:13 PM
Sammy M, Canada:
No.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Rossi apparently is aware of Randell Mills’ hydrino theory then, or probably he wouldn’t have answered the question. Rossi said recently that he was going to make a publication which would deal with theoretical aspects of his work (except for talking about certain issues that are considered secret), so it’s going to be interesting the differences between his and Mills’ ideas. At this point it’s hard to know how different the E-Cat and BLP processes are, especially as we have really no idea what Rossi’s process involves — but it is setting up to be an interesting comparison.

  • SammyM

    When I asked the question I chose my words carefully, I’m surprised he answered so quickly and I thank him for his honesty. I’m very curious what’s going to transpire in the next few months.

    SammyM

    • Veblin

      Maybe the Rossi effect involves Rossinos instead.

      • MLTC

        Good one! 🙂 Will you be here all week?

        • GreenWin

          Regardless gents,,, Be sure to tip your wait-staff generously. They make the world go ’round.

    • ecatworld

      You gave him every option not to weigh in on this, Sammy — but he did anyway!

  • SammyM

    When I asked the question I chose my words carefully, I’m surprised he answered so quickly and I thank him for his honesty. I’m very curious what’s going to transpire in the next few months.

    SammyM

    • Veblin

      Maybe the Rossi effect involves Rossinos instead.

      • MLTC

        Good one! 🙂 Will you be here all week?

        • GreenWin

          Regardless gents,,, Be sure to tip your wait-staff generously. They make the world go ’round.

      • roseland67

        Veblin,
        Can I use that?

  • LilyLover

    We can have our difference of opinions; but this is the first thing I did not like about Dr. Rossi.
    I trusted all “Rossi Says” so far, but now I need to see E-Cat in action. For, Dr. Mills’s theory is far more transparent and reasonable than Dr. Rossi’s upcoming one, as of now.

    • Omega Z

      Mills can afford to be more transparent. He has obtained many patents on his device by presenting them differently.
      Mills also had 1 patent given then taken away due to influence of certain entities, But I believe he was able to get it reinstated with help of some good legal council.

  • LilyLover

    We can have our difference of opinions; but this is the first thing I did not like about Dr. Rossi.
    I trusted all “Rossi Says” so far, but now I need to see E-Cat in action. For, Dr. Mills’s theory is far more transparent and reasonable than Dr. Rossi’s upcoming one, as of now.

    • Omega Z

      Mills can afford to be more transparent. He has obtained many patents on his device by presenting them differently.
      Mills also had 1 patent given then taken away due to influence of certain entities, But I believe he was able to get it reinstated with help of some good legal council.

  • david55

    You must not forget that if rossi accept hydrino theory then that means acceptation that he replicated Blacklight process
    then he doesn’t have any right to patent e-cat or sell it.

    • bachcole

      Legally speaking, what if it were a complete accident, like Newton and Liebnitz?

    • GreenWin

      Please detail the patent law that you believes supports your statement.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    Mills’ hydrinos are few hundred eV energy. In mainstream science some authors have considered few hundred keV (KILO-eV) states which they also named hydrinos (e.g. http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0608095). Those two hydrinos are different (imaginary) beasts since they have 1000-fold difference in energy. I’m not sure which hydrinos Rossi thought about when he answered the question. Although I believe he would answer both questions the same way. But my point is that if Rossi was thinking of the mainstream hydrinos, then he wasn’t commenting a competitor’s work.

    • LilyLover

      I
      hope that is the case.

  • robyn wyrick

    New article in Wired UK (Cold fusion continues to progress stealthily into the mainstream)
    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/15/cold-fusion-moves-into-mainstream

  • wapiti22

    BlackLight Power Vs. Rossi’s Cold Fusion – Related Technologies?
    http://pesn.com/2011/02/08/9501758_Black_Light_Power_and_Rossis_Cold_Fusion_related/

    • Vogel

      Maybe positive or negative !

    • bachcole

      I’ll wait for the synopsis.

  • wapiti22

    BlackLight Power Vs. Rossi’s Cold Fusion – Related Technologies?
    http://pesn.com/2011/02/08/9501758_Black_Light_Power_and_Rossis_Cold_Fusion_related/

    • Vogel

      Maybe positive or negative !

    • bachcole

      I’ll wait for the synopsis.

  • Billy Jackson

    hah! kind of like 2 Unicorns arguing and pointing at each other yelling YOU DONT EXSIST!

    • Daniel Maris

      Or like the proponents of phlogiston arguing with the proponents of oxygen.

    • Sanjeev

      Theories and models are just like unicorns, doesn’t matter if they exist.
      One should be thankful to both Rossi and BLP as none of them are yelling at each other that excess heat doesn’t exist.

      • Billy Jackson

        for the record sanjeev. i have high hopes in Rossi and BLP,. hope, but also enough objectivity that i understand things may take longer than we expect, maybe even much longer, before we benefit from said technologies

  • Billy Jackson

    hah! kind of like 2 Unicorns arguing and pointing at each other yelling YOU DONT EXSIST!

    • bachcole

      Billy, do you deny LENR, LENR+, and the May 2013 Levi, Essen, et. al. Report?

    • Sanjeev

      Theories and models are just like unicorns, doesn’t matter if they exist.
      One should be thankful to both Rossi and BLP as none of them are yelling at each other that excess heat doesn’t exist.

      • Billy Jackson

        for the record sanjeev. i have high hopes in Rossi and BLP,. hope, but also enough objectivity that i understand things may take longer than we expect, maybe even much longer, before we benefit from said technologies

  • MLTC

    I wonder if the hydrinos believe in Rossi…

  • Jonnyb

    Rossi has said that his theory foes not upset the status quo of main stream scientific knowledge, or words to that effect, therefore he can not believe in Hydrinos, if the effects are of a similar nature, or his theory is wrong.

  • Jonnyb

    Rossi has said that his theory foes not upset the status quo of main stream scientific knowledge, or words to that effect, therefore he can not believe in Hydrinos, if the effects are of a similar nature, or his theory is wrong.

  • GreenWin

    Please detail the patent law that you believes supports your statement.

  • david55

    Dos anyone know why lcd website buildecat.com is suspended ?

  • Daniel Maris

    Or Darwin and Wallace – quite a few accidents over the years.

  • georgehants

    Well I shall put my bottle in the fridge ready for the 21st. and just maybe.

  • georgehants

    Well I shall put my bottle in the fridge ready for the 21st. and just maybe.

  • david55

    Randell Mills
    Today at 9:45 AM

    On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:33 PM, amack43 wrote:

    > Will the demonstration produce electricity that can be compared to
    > input versus output or will the constructed device showcase just
    > the highly energetic plasma?
    >

    The energetic plasma will be demonstrated. The energy and power
    balances will be measured using a commercial calorimeter that will
    quantify megaWatt power at a density of billions of watts per liter.

    I will also go over the system engineering, hydrino product
    characterization, and talk about applications and commercialization.

    We have to build the MHD converter for plasma to electric conversion,
    the basis of a later public demonstration.

    > In my spare time I’ve been trying to absorb this incredible
    > announcement of a cubic foot device that can power 10,000 homes.
    > The patent and the animation are very helpful.
    >
    > Solid fuel (common chemicals that can be induced to undergo hydrino
    > transitions under certain conditions) appears to be delivered into
    > the reaction chamber by cogs and a high amp current delivered to
    > induce an extremely dense hydrino reaction (based on H20 catalyst
    > reactions) that converts most of the solid fuel into a pulse of
    > highly energetic ions (plasma). The plasma pulse expands at high
    > speed leaving the reaction chamber and entering the MHD. This
    > requires a superconductor and liquid helium and nitrogen but
    > hopefully results in up to 50% of the energy of the plasma being
    > converted into electricity.

    The conversion could be much more efficient than 50% with a fully
    ionized supersonic plasma.

    > The products of the solid fuel are conveyed to a section of the
    > device where the addition of water from a tank regenerates the fuel
    > to an active form and it is conveyed back to the cogs and reaction
    > chamber to facilitate further plasma pulses.

    that’s the process

  • Donk970

    Here’s what I wonder. Since BLP produces net energy out by collapsing a hydrogen down to a neutrino + energy, what happens to all these neutrinos? Are we going to discover that neutrinos are dangerous in some way? LENR has the advantage that no previously unknown particles or states of mater are being produced as waste – just common, well understood elements like He4 and Cu.

  • Donk970

    Here’s what I wonder. Since BLP produces net energy out by collapsing a hydrogen down to a neutrino + energy, what happens to all these neutrinos? Are we going to discover that neutrinos are dangerous in some way? LENR has the advantage that no previously unknown particles or states of mater are being produced as waste – just common, well understood elements like He4 and Cu.

    • Ryan H

      We are bombarded with neutrinos on a constant basis, and they pass through us (mostly) harmlessly. Here’s a good explanation on neutrinos and their potential for harm: http://what-if.xkcd.com/73/

    • Bill Colias

      I think you mean hydrino + energy. As I understand it, Hydrinos are lighter than air and don’t react much with anything.

  • Chris I

    Amazing!!!! This is something that Rossi agrees with me about!!! 😀

  • Chris, Italy

    Amazing!!!! This is something that Rossi agrees with me about!!! 😀

  • David

    BLP is much more similar to PlasmERG. They both use Plasma. That is what makes them so similar. And they both have a very very high power density. Yeah Inteligentry is the company that made the original PlasmERG engine. Inteligentry was mistreated by the government and couldn’t make it. But his PlasmERG technology is out with his ex-manufactures who are going to use it to make the engines still.

  • Anon2012_2014

    “Rossi doesn’t believe in Hydrinos”

    And Mills doesn’t believe in LENR.

    I think they are likely two faces of the same phenomenon with wildly different models that are not confirmed one way or the other. Let us see some readily demonstrable energy and power output beyond conventional chemical for either; that a third party lab can demonstrate just from the instructions in the paper or patent. Then theoretical physicists can work on a model that by scientific method proves or disproves the physics at the atomic/subatomic scale.

    I don’t really care about the model. I want to see empirical results that I can have duplicated.

  • Anon2012_2014

    “Rossi doesn’t believe in Hydrinos”

    And Mills doesn’t believe in LENR.

    I think they are likely two faces of the same phenomenon with wildly different models that are not confirmed one way or the other. Let us see some readily demonstrable energy and power output beyond conventional chemical for either; that a third party lab can demonstrate just from the instructions in the paper or patent. Then theoretical physicists can work on a model that by scientific method proves or disproves the physics at the atomic/subatomic scale.

    I don’t really care about the model. I want to see empirical results that I can have duplicated.