Carbon Nanotube Energy? New Patent Filed by Seldon Technologies

Here’s something that just came to my attention, and I haven’t really had time to investigate it thoroughly, so I thought I’d put it up here for information and comment. It’s a patent filed by Seldon Technologies, a Vermont company which works mainly in the field of water purification, and use carbon nanotubes in their filtration systems to make a product they call Nanomesh.

Seldon seems to be branching out in their research and development endeavors, however, and have filed a patent which deals with energy production titled “Methods of generating energetic particles using nanotubes and articles thereof”. The patent was published on October 10 2013.

The abstract reads:

There is disclosed a method of generating energetic particles, which comprises contacting nanotubes with a source of hydrogen isotopes, such as D2O, and applying activation energy to the nanotubes. In one embodiment, the hydrogen isotopes comprises protium, deuterium, tritium, and combinations thereof. There is also disclosed a method of transmuting matter that is based on the increased likelihood of nuclei interaction for atoms confined in the limited dimensions of a nanotube structure, which generates energetic particles sufficient to transmute matter and exposing matter to be transmuted to these particles.

I can’t find any reference to any product under development out there, but the application mentions some experiments done with carbon nanotubes in which neutron production ‘above background levels’ was measured. For example, in one experiment, a carbon nanotube electrode was submerged in a bath of deuterium, and after a voltage was passed through it, neutron bursts were recorded.

  • Gerard McEk

    Very interesting, especially the examples. This should put the scientific world upside down. Some of tests are relatively simple to verify.

    Would be interesting if Seldon Technologies would give some comment on this. Questions:
    What happens with H2? Was it peer reviewed? What made them investigating this? Are they further developing this? Do they really understand why this happens? Have they got a suitable theory? No doubt we can generate many more questions.

    To the existing theories it is impossible to overcome the Coulomb repulsion, although they believe that a ‘high density electron plasma inside the confined system of a carbon nanotube when a current, such as in the form of a pulse, is applied to the carbon nanotube’ can cause this. Maybe we should ask Peter Hagelstein of MIT.

    • barty

      Yes would be cool if Frank could ask them via E-Mail.
      I think Frank already has a good name in this area, and this blog has a high publicity.

    • deleo77

      No company can get a U.S. Patent that relates to cold fusion or LENR, and yet these guys state a similar process of overcoming the Coulomb barrier and they get one. I guess it comes down to how it is written and what they choose to focus on. From my quick reading it is not classical LENR, but maybe a different kind of variation of it.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        The difference is perhaps that they do not claim to generate excess energy. They just speak of “energetic particles”, which does not refer to the energy balance of the complete system. Thus, the text might look less suspicious to an examiner than other patent applications in this field.

        • Job001

          This is a nanotechnology water filtration company.
          http://seldontech.com
          ‘Above background levels’ doesn’t mean much either since background is so negligible. However, the tests were uncomplicated, something MFMF could also do.

          • Gerard McEk

            Isn’t it strange that a water filtration company does tests like they have done for this patent? Why would they even think of measuring energetic neutrons? Some guy in that company has a totally different agenda. Besides that, I do not think that nanotubes should be used for filtering. They are extremely dangerous as they can penetrate the human cell and cause cancer like asbestos.

            If you read the tests then you will see that in the last test mentioned, they talk about 4000-10,000 times the background radiation. I would not like to be in the neighborhood of the test facility. Neutrons are not healthy either.

          • Job001

            They also have military and LNL connections. What better way to slander LENR and ultimately regulate and control it than to magically find “dangerous above background” radiation? And the patent office magically cooperates….WOW!
            Why now?
            It is not “conspiracy theory” to expect what routinely has become
            FUDSOP(Fear Uncertainty Doubt Standard Operating Procedure).

            But then we could be skeptically cynically wrong…..or not, it bears watching.

          • Pete Moss

            MFMP (?)
            In their spare (?) time, with appropriate funding (?)

          • Job001

            See http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/02/e-cat-world-hho-experimentcrowdfunding-proposal/
            Funding took very little time for this proposal. Try again!

      • Sanjeev

        Its not granted. The status is “Application.” There are hundreds of such patent applications on cold fusion.
        This one has some chances of getting approved as it does not claim energy production from nothing. That’s what the patent office fears most.

  • Gerard McEk

    Very interesting, especially the examples. This should put the scientific world upside down. Some of tests are relatively simple to verify.

    Would be interesting if Seldon Technologies would give some comment on this. Questions:
    What happens with H2? Was it peer reviewed? What made them investigating this? Are they further developing this? Do they really understand why this happens? Have they got a suitable theory? No doubt we can generate many more questions.

    To the existing theories it is impossible to overcome the Coulomb repulsion, although they believe that a ‘high density electron plasma inside the confined system of a carbon nanotube when a current, such as in the form of a pulse, is applied to the carbon nanotube’ can cause this. Maybe we should ask Peter Hagelstein of MIT.

    • barty

      Yes would be cool if Frank could ask them via E-Mail.
      I think Frank already has a good name in this area, and this blog has a high publicity.

    • deleo77

      No company can get a U.S. Patent that relates to cold fusion or LENR, and yet these guys state a similar process of overcoming the Coulomb barrier and they get one. I guess it comes down to how it is written and what they choose to focus on. From my quick reading it is not classical LENR, but maybe a different kind of variation of it.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        The difference is perhaps that they do not claim to generate excess energy. They just speak of “energetic particles”, which does not refer to the energy balance of the complete system. Thus, the text might look less suspicious to an examiner than other patent applications in this field.

      • Sanjeev

        Its not granted. The status is “Application.” There are hundreds of such patent applications on cold fusion.
        This one has some chances of getting approved as it does not claim energy production from nothing. That’s what the patent office fears most.

  • Gerard McEk

    Frank, I believe you should put this article a bit more prominent on the website.

    • ecatworld

      Ok, done

  • Gerard McEk

    Frank, I believe you should put this article a bit more prominent on the website.

    • Frank Acland

      Ok, done

  • Job001

    This is a nanotechnology water filtration company.
    http://seldontech.com
    ‘Above background levels’ doesn’t mean much either since background is so negligible. However, the tests were uncomplicated, something MFMF could also do.

    • Gerard McEk

      Isn’t it strange that a water filtration company does tests like they have done for this patent? Why would they even think of measuring energetic neutrons? Some guy in that company has a totally different agenda. Besides that, I do not think that nanotubes should be used for filtering. They are extremely dangerous as they can penetrate the human cell and cause cancer like asbestos.

      If you read the tests then you will see that in the last test mentioned, they talk about 4000-10,000 times the background radiation. I would not like to be in the neighborhood of the test facility. Neutrons are not healthy either.

      • Job001

        They also have military and LNL connections. What better way to slander LENR and ultimately regulate and control it than to magically find “dangerous above background” radiation? And the patent office magically cooperates….WOW!
        Why now?
        It is not “conspiracy theory” to expect what routinely has become
        FUDSOP(Fear Uncertainty Doubt Standard Operating Procedure).

        But then we could be skeptically cynically wrong…..or not, it bears watching.

    • Pete Moss

      MFMP (?)
      In their spare (?) time, with appropriate funding (?)

  • AstralProjectee

    I’ve heard of nano-technology getting involved in cold fusion before.

  • Curbina

    I have to mention that carbon nanotubes have some interesting properties that are not much talked about, and these discoveries were made exactly when their water filtration properties were under research. They are, somehow, able to conduct much more water than it should be possible, is the equivalent of conducting the same amoungt of water than a firehose can carry, with a 1/8″ hose. The difference is of several orders of magnitude, and the researchers that found it were absolutely puzzled. I have been aware of Carbon Nanotubes for water desalination since 2008, and the docs I read (not sure if they are still online) were from Livermore National Laboratories, if I recall correctly.

    • Curbina

      Here is a page where it is mentiond what I say about the “impossible” capacity of water transport. This is not explained and not much cared about, just it’s said to be useful. The reason I remember this and have always been intrigued for, is because I always linked this to previous research in biological membranes for water transport that proved that it was “thermodinamically impossible” to explain how fast the water was transported through the membranes of certain vegetable tissue cells. Again, this is obscure research not much talked about because there are few transdiciplinary scientists able to grasp the complexity of both the biological system and modeling the thermodinamic equations that are “violated” by membranes. IMHO, these facts are linked and are not much talked about because they point to phenomena underlying potential experimental denials of most accepted theories, hence, people that stumbles upon this, face the eternal dillema of following their research and be rejected by academia, or putting it away and having a normal life. We have to remember the letter of Bohr to Langmuir advising him to ditch his research of excess energy on the atomic hydrogen torch…

      http://archive.sciencewatch.com/ana/hot/che/08sepoct-che/

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Interesting. Could the biological transmutations that have been observed be taking place in microtubules? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Edmund Storms on “Biological Transmutation”
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3txV4olmaw

          • Alan DeAngelis

            At ~ 6:30 he mentions yeast making potassium (K). Maybe it’s being made from calcium and deuterium in microtubules.
            Ca(43) + d > K(41) + He(4) 7.86 MeV
            Ca(42) + d > K(40) + He(4) 5.70 MeV

        • Curbina

          I don’t know, I think there’s a possibility, I doubt anyone has researched that, but I also think that living cells have many places where “weird stuff” like this could happen, as in the mithocondria.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I guess that the surface that is formed by the heads of the nanotubes acts like a membrane, which produces negative pressure and therefore accelerates approaching particles. The interesting question is what happens inside the tubes. Presumably the flow resistance here is much lower than in a free gas or liquid. Nanotubes could be something like a rail track for particles.

        • Curbina

          The nanotube membranes are built arranging them on a matrix of siliceous material. Think of it as building a cement block with pipes arrangedi in bundles going through it, that’s a rather complex process, that’s why there are not commercial nanotube membranes yet. The nanotubes ends are at opposite sides of the siliceous matrix, which is absolutely impermeable, so the water can only pass from one side to the other through the tubes. It is supposed that only a few water molecules can pass side by side due to the reduced “lumen” of the nanotube. This is why the speed of the flow is so amazing, it can only be explained if something else is involved in it, not merely the difference of pressure at both sides.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            You will need in any case a force in order to accelerate the particles. Pressure is an option to generate that force, but also an electric/electromagnetic field, if charged particles, like hydrogen ions, are involved. (For a LENR device, it would be advisable to combine both methods.) But as you say, the key is the tiny diameter of the tubes. In a flowing gas or liquid, the particles disturb each other in their motion, because they never move constantly in the same direction. Inside the tube the collision rate will be significantly lower; therefore you get a much faster flow.

  • Curbina

    I have to mention that carbon nanotubes have some interesting properties that are not much talked about, and these discoveries were made exactly when their water filtration properties were under research. They are, somehow, able to conduct much more water than it should be possible, is the equivalent of conducting the same amount of water than a firehose can carry, with a 1/8″ hose. The difference is of several orders of magnitude, and the researchers that found it were absolutely puzzled. I have been aware of Carbon Nanotubes for water desalination since 2008, and the docs I read (not sure if they are still online) were from Livermore National Laboratories, if I recall correctly.

    • Curbina

      Here is a page where it is mentiond what I say about the “impossible” capacity of water transport. This is not explained and not much cared about, just it’s said to be useful. The reason I remember this and have always been intrigued for, is because I always linked this to previous research in biological membranes for water transport that proved that it was “thermodinamically impossible” to explain how fast the water was transported through the membranes of certain vegetable tissue cells. Again, this is obscure research not much talked about because there are few transdiciplinary scientists able to grasp the complexity of both the biological system and modeling the thermodinamic equations that are “violated” by membranes. IMHO, these facts are linked and are not much talked about because they point to phenomena underlying potential experimental denials of most accepted theories, hence, people that stumbles upon this, face the eternal dillema of following their research and be rejected by academia, or putting it away and having a normal life. We have to remember the letter of Bohr to Langmuir advising him to ditch his research of excess energy on the atomic hydrogen torch…

      http://archive.sciencewatch.com/ana/hot/che/08sepoct-che/

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Interesting. Could the biological transmutations that have been observed be taking place in microtubules? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microtubule

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Edmund Storms on “Biological Transmutation”
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3txV4olmaw

          • Alan DeAngelis

            At ~ 6:30 he mentions yeast making potassium (K). Maybe it’s being made from calcium and deuterium in microtubules.
            Ca(43) + d > K(41) + He(4) 7.86 MeV
            Ca(42) + d > K(40) + He(4) 5.70 MeV

        • Curbina

          I don’t know, I think there’s a possibility, I doubt anyone has researched that, but I also think that living cells have many places where “weird stuff” like this could happen, as in the mithocondria.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I guess that the surface that is formed by the heads of the nanotubes acts like a membrane, which produces negative pressure and therefore accelerates approaching particles. The interesting question is what happens inside the tubes. Presumably the flow resistance here is much lower than in a free gas or liquid. Nanotubes could be something like a rail track for particles.

        • Curbina

          The nanotube membranes are built arranging them on a matrix of siliceous material. Think of it as building a cement block with pipes arrangedi in bundles going through it, that’s a rather complex process, that’s why there are not commercial nanotube membranes yet. The nanotubes ends are at opposite sides of the siliceous matrix, which is absolutely impermeable, so the water can only pass from one side to the other through the tubes. It is supposed that only a few water molecules can pass side by side due to the reduced “lumen” of the nanotube. This is why the speed of the flow is so amazing, it can only be explained if something else is involved in it, not merely the difference of pressure at both sides.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            You will need in any case a force in order to accelerate the particles. Pressure is an option to generate that force, but also an electric/electromagnetic field, if charged particles, like hydrogen ions, are involved. (For a LENR device, it would be advisable to combine both methods.) But as you say, the key is the tiny diameter of the tubes. In a flowing gas or liquid, the particles disturb each other in their motion, because they never move constantly in the same direction. Inside the tube the collision rate will be significantly lower; therefore you get a much faster flow.

  • US_Citizen71

    I wonder if their company name is in reference to Harry Seldon (Asimov’s Foundation series)!?!

  • US_Citizen71

    I wonder if their company name is in reference to Harry Seldon (Asimov’s Foundation series)!?!

  • Bob Greenyer

    On the Thursday of ICCF18, we were told that the Skinner research team had achieve 27% gain that day on the first run of carbon nanotubes grown on nickel islands on palladium electrode.

  • Bob Greenyer

    On the Thursday of ICCF18, we were told that the Skinner research team had achieve 27% gain that day on the first run of carbon nanotubes grown on nickel islands on palladium electrode.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I think this is a really interesting new patent, by a swedish researcher that has been studying Rydberg matter creation and properties for years.

    In it, he proposes an embodiment that would yield a 1000:1 gain – Clause 32

    http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/EP2680271A1.pdf

    Very well written patent application.

    • Gerard McEk

      Bob, I do not believe that the patent you brought here can be compared with the subject patent. On the other hand, maybe even a single laser can irradiate a bundle of fully duteriated carbon nanotubes and cause the wanted fusion….

      • Bob Greenyer

        It was not meant to be comparable, I brought the patent to the communities attention because it is contemporary and this was a thread on new patent applications, I actually don’t know where I can post on ECW new news.

        • jousterusa

          As I’m sure Frank would tell, you can post it exactly where you did. You can also send it to him at [email protected].

          • Owen Geiger

            Or post it on the Always Open Thread. (See link in upper right hand corner of page.)

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks for the tips guys!

        • CancunKurt

          This is the guy who filed the patent,
          Leif Holmlid
          Professor emeritus
          Atmospheric Science
          Department of Chemistry
          University of Gothenburg

          His page here has some other things of interest to..

          http://www2.chem.gu.se/~holmlid/

          “Ultra-dense deuterium was recently shown to be the first room-temperature superfluid, see Ref. 196 below. It also shows a Meissner effect at room temperature (Ref. 204) and is thus probably also superconductive at room temperature.”

          Seems he is knee deep in interesting things…

          • Gerard McEk

            Is indeed quite interesting. Any idea how ultra dense deuterium is made, especially the D(-1) variant?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – and he has been studying it for years. If anyone is at University they can look at a wide range of his papers. This work appears to support DGT / Y. Kim

    • Herb Gillis
    • jousterusa

      I was deeply impressed with this application, too. I posted the link on the homepage of The American Reporter and sent it along to Dr. Randell Mills. Good find!

  • bkrharold

    This sounds quite promising. Carbon nanotubes may share similar properties with the Nickel metallic lattice in confining hydrogen close enough to initiate a reaction. I wonder if they would have the strength to withstand a sustained reaction generating the kind of heat we have seen from the hot cat.

  • Christopher Calder

    Should Seldon Industries be added to the LENR companies list? I would guess so. What do you think?

  • Should Seldon Industries be added to the LENR companies list? I would guess so. What do you think?

  • Sanjeev

    It does not mention anything about energy generation, but it surely sounds like a cold nuclear process. If it does result in excess energy then we have a whole new field of LENR. May be it can be called CNT-LENR or LENR++.
    Couldn’t find any info about it on their website, but they claim to be 3rd largest water treatment co. in the world. Looks like they have sufficient money and expertise to play with it.

  • LENR G

    I don’t know guys. There is a gap between filing a patent and actually having performed experiments and being on the road to commercialization.

    I get the sense that there are a lot of defensive patents that are being filed, mostly without much justification except some tangential expertise, a good imagination and bored legal department.

    I don’t know if this is one of those, but they haven’t shown anything. At all. As a general rule a patent is not enough for me to get excited.

  • I don’t know guys. There is a gap between filing a patent and actually having performed experiments and being on the road to commercialization.

    I get the sense that there are a lot of defensive patents that are being filed, mostly without much justification except some tangential expertise, a good imagination and bored legal department.

    I don’t know if this is one of those, but they haven’t shown anything. At all. As a general rule a patent is not enough for me to get excited.

  • NCkhawk

    Does anybody know if Rossi has previously mentioned the use of and/or the potential creation of “tubules” in any of his earlier experiments / demonstrations / blog posts?

  • NCkhawk

    Does anybody know if Rossi has previously mentioned the use of and/or the potential creation of “tubules” in any of his earlier experiments / demonstrations / blog posts?

  • Nixter

    Hydrogen and many forms of Carbon are strongly attracted to each other, for example, a diamond surface is normally covered with a layer of hydrogen atoms.

    http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Graphics/AbstractionAnimation.gif

    http://www.molecularassembler.com/Nanofactory/Graphics/HAbst.gif

    http://phys.org/news/2013-02-thinnest-graphene-sheets-react-strongly.html

    I assume that these characteristics will be used at some point in the development of Cold Fusion LENR technologies. If micro cracks are present as postulated by Professor Storms, a NAE, (nuclear Active Environment), may be formed, allowing a reaction to take place. I expect that a combination of factors including surfaces with a affinity for hydrogen bonding, specific material micro features and specialized quantum conditions are required to get a consistent LENR reaction.

  • david55

    Randell Mills comment about ” H2O arc cell ”

    “It is a good idea, but the conductivity of H2O is essentially zero. The
    H2O arc cell produces hydrinos via an arc plasma state, but it requires
    an initial high voltage to achieve breakdown.”

    http://www.buildecat.com/view/270/very-similar-experiment-to-Blacklight-power-plasma-reactor-water-K2C03-sparkplug-1.html

    -Can supercritical water be used as a “solid fuel” ?
    -At certain temperatures and pressures water becomes indistinguishable from a liquid or gas and becomes a supercritical -fluid. Although its properties can be varied via what temperature and pressures are applied,it seems that a common -effect of Supercritical Water SCW is the disruption of the hydrogen bond network of water.The disruption isn’t complete of -course but I do wonder if water alone in the supercritical state could be triggered to detonate into hydrino
    -transitions with an appropriate high amp pulse the same as the solid fuels? It would mean maintaining a central tank in -which water was maintained at a supercritical state and a way of delivering a tiny amount of SCW into a detonation -chamber that feeds into the MHDs but on the plus side you wouldn’t need the gears to deliver solid fuel or the
    -solid fuel recycling system, just the vacuum pump system to extract the hydrinos and return the unused water back to the -central tank.

  • david55

    Randell Mills comment about ” H2O arc cell ”

    “It is a good idea, but the conductivity of H2O is essentially zero. The
    H2O arc cell produces hydrinos via an arc plasma state, but it requires
    an initial high voltage to achieve breakdown.”

    http://www.buildecat.com/view/270/very-similar-experiment-to-Blacklight-power-plasma-reactor-water-K2C03-sparkplug-1.html

    -Can supercritical water be used as a “solid fuel” ?
    -At certain temperatures and pressures water becomes indistinguishable from a liquid or gas and becomes a supercritical -fluid. Although its properties can be varied via what temperature and pressures are applied,it seems that a common effect of -Supercritical Water SCW is the disruption of the hydrogen bond network of water.The disruption isn’t complete of course but -I do wonder if water alone in the supercritical state could be triggered to detonate into hydrino
    -transitions with an appropriate high amp pulse the same as the solid fuels? It would mean maintaining a central tank in -which water was maintained at a supercritical state and a way of delivering a tiny amount of SCW into a detonation -chamber that feeds into the MHDs but on the plus side you wouldn’t need the gears to deliver solid fuel or the
    -solid fuel recycling system, just the vacuum pump system to extract the hydrinos and return the unused water back to the -central tank.

  • MLTC

    Seldon? More like Sheldon! ;P

  • MLTC

    Seldon? More like Sheldon! ;P

  • greggoble

    Thanks E-Cat World! I looked into at this after reading your article…

    I particularly like this comment… among many others.

    US_Citizen71
    I wonder if their company name is in reference to Harry Seldon (Asimov’s Foundation series)!?!

    Yes, it’s the law of serendipity at work-gbgoble

    Anyway… I hope you like this follow up article. You inspired me, inpirationship is the best…. relationship.

    Seldon Technologies, NASA, and LENR
    http://coldfusionnow.org/seldon-technologies-nasa-and-lenr/#comment-36449

    “The present disclosure combines the unique properties of nanotubes and in one embodiment carbon nanotubes, in a novel manifestation designed to meet current and future energy needs in an environmentally friendly way. Devices powered with nanotube based nuclear power systems may substantially change the current state of power distribution.”
    –Retired U.S. Rear Admiral Craig E. Steidle of Seldon Technologies on cold fusion nanotube-based nuclear power systems.

  • greggoble

    Thanks E-Cat World! I looked into this after reading your article.

    I particularly like this comment… among many others.

    US_Citizen71
    I wonder if their company name is in reference to Harry Seldon (Asimov’s Foundation series)!?!

    Yes, it’s the law of serendipity at work-gbgoble

    Anyway… I hope you like this follow up article. You inspired me, inpirationship is the best…. relationship.

    Seldon Technologies, NASA, and LENR
    http://coldfusionnow.org/seldon-technologies-nasa-and-lenr/#comment-36449

    “The present disclosure combines the unique properties of nanotubes and in one embodiment carbon nanotubes, in a novel manifestation designed to meet current and future energy needs in an environmentally friendly way. Devices powered with nanotube based nuclear power systems may substantially change the current state of power distribution.”
    –Retired U.S. Rear Admiral Craig E. Steidle of Seldon Technologies on cold fusion nanotube-based nuclear power systems.