New Poll: Main Purpose for the Upcoming E-Cat Report

Here’s a question I thought I’d put to ECW readers today as we await the publication of the report from the E-Cat testers. What do you think is the main reason that this testing is being carried out, and the results being published? There seems to have been a great deal of time, expertise, and presumably money being put into it — and there has to be an objective behind this effort that someone sees as being significant.

I realize that there could be multiple reasons for carrying out such testing, but I’m asking readers to pick what you think is the most important one.

Here are the options (in no particular order):

  • To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity
  • To understand the science behind the E-Cat/LENR
  • To spur investment into Industrial Heat and advance industrialization
  • To help Rossi/IH with E-Cat research and development
  • To continue a scam
  • For E-Cat sales and marketing purposes

If you think there should be another category in this poll that I have missed, let me know — and feel free to add your comments if you want to explain or qualify your response. The poll is to the left of this post.

Many thanks for your participation!

  • If I had to pick only one I’d say:
    To spur investment into Industrial Heat and advance industrialization

    But actually I think it’s a blend of a few of them. I think Industrial Heat probably wanted the tests to validate their own findings and as a very useful external validation that could help things move along. It’s possible it was also a precondition of some larger players going all-in. And it’s likely IH felt that their commercial strategy would be boosted by the existence of such a report. Without it, potential customers and partners might be too cautious or demand their own long-duration tests.

    I also think the investigators had a keen interest in continuing the work for scientific reasons.

    I don’t really think this report is for the public. I think that everybody understands that public acceptance will only come when the institutions they trust tell them it’s real. This could be a big step in that direction but probably won’t get us all the way there. The report plus a big reveal and working plant would do the trick.

    • KD

      I voted for the first “To convince the general public”, but I think that it is mostly for Rossi, to secure his IP and patents. Also to receive proper certifications for his e-cats.

      • ecatworld

        Another good option — I just added this choice.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Sorry somehow connected to wrong comment. Please Ignore

        • John De Herrera

          We are told this is an “Independent Third Party Validation” of the Rossi E-Cats. That would be testing to Qualify the equipment, processes and product (heat output). In order to be significant, this heat output should be greater than the input energy used to produce the measured output heat.(over unity). Positive test results would be ‘substantual heat output’ which would indicate a ‘nuclear’ rather than ‘chemical’ process is taking place. Is it “cold fusion’ or ‘LENR’ or some other nuclear process taking place inside the matrix of the Nickel powder?.
          It would take additional testing and lots of data to try to understand what kind of nuclear process this could be. I trust the Third Party team will do a great job testing the Rossi Energy Reactor and hopefully confirm that this E Cat is real and is a new type of energy production!
          John De Herrera

          • Omega Z

            It’s been suggested that it may be an unknown type of nuclear reaction by Michael McKubre of SRI…

          • John De Herrera

            From all indications, this new process is CLEANER, SAFER, and produces LARGE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY! WOW – what a gift to mankind! At a time when we are facing ENERGY SHORTAGES, NUCLEAR PLANT DISASTERS, and GLOBAL WARMING, It is no wonder that some say Rossi and other researchers, will literally SAVE THE WORLD! Let’s encourage them – NOT SLANDER and TRY TO STOP them.
            jdh

      • Ophelia Rump

        Why do you think they love Rossi so much?

  • If I had to pick only one I’d say:
    To spur investment into Industrial Heat and advance industrialization

    But actually I think it’s a blend of a few of them. I think Industrial Heat probably wanted the tests to validate their own findings and as a very useful external validation that could help things move along. It’s possible it was also a precondition of some larger players going all-in. And it’s likely IH felt that their commercial strategy would be boosted by the existence of such a report. Without it, potential customers and partners might be too cautious or demand their own long-duration tests.

    I also think the investigators had a keen interest in continuing the work for scientific reasons.

    I don’t really think this report is for the public. I think that everybody understands that public acceptance will only come when the institutions they trust tell them it’s real. This could be a big step in that direction but probably won’t get us all the way there. The report plus a big reveal and working plant would do the trick.

    • KD

      I voted for the first “To convince the general public”, but I think that it is mostly for Rossi, to secure his IP and patents. Also to receive proper certifications for his e-cats.

      • Frank Acland

        Another good option — I just added this choice.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Sorry somehow connected to wrong comment. Please Ignore

        • John De Herrera

          We are told this is an “Independent Third Party Validation” of the Rossi E-Cats. That would be testing to Qualify the equipment, processes and product (heat output). In order to be significant, this heat output should be greater than the input energy used to produce the measured output heat.(over unity). Positive test results would be ‘substantual heat output’ which would indicate a ‘nuclear’ rather than ‘chemical’ process is taking place. Is it “cold fusion’ or ‘LENR’ or some other nuclear process taking place inside the matrix of the Nickel powder?.
          It would take additional testing and lots of data to try to understand what kind of nuclear process this could be. I trust the Third Party team will do a great job testing the Rossi Energy Reactor and hopefully confirm that this E Cat is real and is a new type of energy production!
          John De Herrera

          • Omega Z

            It’s been suggested that it may be an unknown type of nuclear reaction by Michael McKubre of SRI…

          • John De Herrera

            From all indications, this new process is CLEANER, SAFER, and produces LARGE AMOUNTS OF ENERGY! WOW – what a gift to mankind! At a time when we are facing ENERGY SHORTAGES, NUCLEAR PLANT DISASTERS, and GLOBAL WARMING, It is no wonder that some say Rossi and other researchers, will literally SAVE THE WORLD! Let’s encourage them – NOT SLANDER and TRY TO STOP them.
            jdh

      • Ophelia Rump

        Why do you think they love Rossi so much?

  • Otto1923

    You forgot the important ones – government and insurance. Govts will not allow these to be installed and insurers will not cover them unless they can display a certain level of safety and reliability.

    • ecatworld

      Very good point — I added this option. Thanks!

    • Omega Z

      Safety Certifications pretty much cover these issues.
      Rossi has SGS certifications.

      • Omega Z

        Note: Government has no issue’s with Nuclear Power plants Of which the Governments Insures.

  • Otto1923

    You forgot the important ones – government and insurance. Govts will not allow these to be installed and insurers will not cover them unless they can display a certain level of safety and reliability.

    • Frank Acland

      Very good point — I added this option. Thanks!

    • friendlyprogrammer

      They can easily prove the Ecat will melt down if it destabilizes so protection would only be necessary to 1600 degrees worth of pressure and then it would be rendered dead. Insurers are used to seeing many odd things. The government is still maintaining they do not work so why would they object to installations. According to Rossi the big deals with installations is because of high heat and explosive risk, and the method of hydrogen delivery originally required tanks of hydrogen.

    • Omega Z

      Safety Certifications pretty much cover these issues.
      Rossi has SGS certifications.

      • Omega Z

        Note: Government has no issue’s with Nuclear Power plants Of which the Governments Insures.

  • Owen Geiger

    With the latest news from Rossi about extensive testing of the powder being done in multiple Swedish labs… well, it’s seems clear to me that investment into IH is their major goal. I believe we’re talking large scale investment where investors want solid assurance. The testing should also help with the patent process. Just a guess. Also, I believe they hope to win over more researchers in this field to spur additional advances.

  • Owen Geiger

    With the latest news from Rossi about extensive testing of the powder being done in multiple Swedish labs… well, it’s seems clear to me that investment into IH is their major goal. I believe we’re talking large scale investment where investors want solid assurance. The testing should also help with the patent process. Just a guess. Also, I believe they hope to win over more researchers in this field to spur additional advances.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    I didn’t do poll because I would answer,” to convince scientists in this field that this is a real science. I suppose that fits with first one Media/public awareness. 3 of the questions seem related – Help IH Industrialize, Help them R&D, or help them market.

    I voted for public awareness. Rossi is chased by us and the scientific community to help us tell his story, and it is still the belief motivation that had him doing public demos in 2011.

    I think Rossi expects the tests will vindicate him in the science communities, but I think it will fall far short of that goal. This report will have pot shots taken at it and the staff implementing the experiments, and will just be a repeat of last year.

    • bachcole

      I don’t think that Rossi is the least bit fooled; he is not trying to get academia to believe.

      I think that we are creating false categories. Rossi/IH will be perfectly happy with anyone that they convert, but the tests were probably meant for investors and customers.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        —and to get those customers Rossi is trying to show his effect is real. He had previously published a scientific paper on effect in 2010. Did many science targeted demonstrations in 2011. Hired a team to publish science results in 2013.

        All three of the above Rossi actions resulted in what? No budging from the Skeptics. Investors cannot come unless there is some confidence the academics are proven.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Heavy hitters demanded it.

    • bachcole

      This was not a choice in the survey, but this is what I would have selected. “Heavy hitters” include several and parts of several choices.

  • Barbierir

    It depends also on important for “who”, for us bystanders it is “To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity”, for HI my guess is for “marketing purposes”.

  • Stranno

    To spur investment into Industrial Heat and advance industrialization.
    But i think it’s rather a combination of the mentioned reasons.

  • Gerard McEk

    A reason can also be that it is aimed to convince the scientific and academic world that CF/LENR is a real phenomenon that requires a proper study and acceptance and should no longer be treated as pseudo-science.

  • Gerard McEk

    A reason can also be that it is aimed to convince the scientific and academic world that CF/LENR is a real phenomenon that requires a proper study and acceptance and should no longer be treated as pseudo-science.

  • bitplayer

    It would be helpful to see a best-guess timeline of the relationship between Rossi and IH, and compare it with a best-guess timing for the initiation of the current test/report round. We saw pictures of someone who might have been Darden in a HotCat lab, but I’m not sure when that was.

    If IH and Rossi were engaged prior to the initiation of the current round of testing, I believe the primary purpose of the report be strongly would be to support IH investment funding and partner relationship development (e.g. China).

    If IH were not engaged at that time, then I believe the purpose would be to give Rossi personal legitimacy in his negotiations with potential partners.

    I believe Rossi’s motto “In Mercato Veritas” has described his modus operandi for a good while; and that he well understands that the general public and the media will either not comprehend the report or just use it as a media-hype football.

    Since the formula for the catalyst is not provided to the testers, any purpose of understanding the science is compromised from the start.

    I suspect IH/Rossi’s R&D has gone far past what might be turned up the report.

    Government regulators will have very strict, narrow, procedural requirements; the report would only coincidentally do any good there.

    If Rossi takes a trade secret approach, the current test/report cycle is counterproductive.

    It’s conceivable that the current test/report cycle can help with patents. I think that is worth further discussion.

    Sales and marketing would follow from funding and partner relationship development, so those would not be a direct purpose of the report UNLESS; the current test/report cycle was initiated before the IH relationship, and was requested by Leonardo licensing partners. Again, the timeline would help here.

    I find it that I do not have even the slightest glimmer of mental response to the idea that this could be a scam. It’s like, completely flat; does not even invoke the impulse to refute that possibility.

    • ecatworld

      The pictures of Darden and Vaughn (apparently, their faces were blanked out), were taken in May 2013 in Ferrara, Italy, during the performance testing of the 1 MW plant previous to them taking possession of it.

      • bitplayer

        Thanks Frank. Do we know when the current round of testing was initiated?

        • ecatworld

          Not sure of an exact date, but I think it was late summer/autumn 2013

  • Observer

    To baseline the state of the art.

  • Ronzonni

    Excellent question and it’s a mystery. Rossi has been testing and working on the ecat now for more than seven years. From his patent application in January 2010, he was heating a factory with an ecat in 2007.

    “A practical embodiment of the inventive apparatus,
    installed on Oct. 16, 2007, is at present perfectly operating 24
    hours per day, and provides an amount of heat sufficient to
    heat the factory of the Company EON of via Carlo Ragazzi 18, at Bondeno (Province of Ferrara)”

    From: http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/USeCatPatentApplication.pdf

    Rossi has also said that he sold several megawatt plants to the military and to at least one non-military customer.

    The only possible use for the test as it is described is to establish reliability and longevity of the hot cat. For whom isn’t clear.

    Maybe admin could simply ask Rossi why this test is needed and who it is for, what a positive result will change and what he means by the possibility of a negative report. What does “negative” mean? Doesn’t work at all? Doesn’t work as long as desired?

  • Obvious

    I think it is a condition of a deal with the patent office, which partly had to do with the tests of other (competitor) LENR patent applications, of which the end of the one year study is also upon us, serendipitously at the same time as the end of the 6 month E-cat test.

  • Billy Jackson

    the top two voted options really belong as one option as they go hand in hand. Proof and validation that it works has to be the primary issue as without it the rest of the conversation just comes to a grinding halt.

    The battle now comes against entrenched interest and a media that’s bought and paid for by those interest. This will be the longest fight as they bring to bear the long term academics that will be hurt the most saying the report is fudged, flawed, or done by those who are not qualified to do it.

    This report means nothing if they did not address the issues that were brought up by the first report. they literally have to have an almost IRON proof report if they hope to succeed. even then i still think you will have people attack the scientist and their qualifications rather than be open minded and admit it works as a possibility.

    This will not end until their are multiple working devices powering buildings, plants, ships or other large electrical devices.. to win this.. Rossi is going to have to shove a working device into the public’s face in multiple areas.

    • Omega Z

      “attack the scientist and their qualifications”
      That’s already begun with the SR radio program.

  • Billy Jackson

    the top two voted options really belong as one option as they go hand in hand. Proof and validation that it works has to be the primary issue as without it the rest of the conversation just comes to a grinding halt.

    The battle now comes against entrenched interest and a media that’s bought and paid for by those interest. This will be the longest fight as they bring to bear the long term academics that will be hurt the most saying the report is fudged, flawed, or done by those who are not qualified to do it.

    This report means nothing if they did not address the issues that were brought up by the first report. they literally have to have an almost IRON proof report if they hope to succeed. even then i still think you will have people attack the scientist and their qualifications rather than be open minded and admit it works as a possibility.

    This will not end until their are multiple working devices powering buildings, plants, ships or other large electrical devices.. to win this.. Rossi is going to have to shove a working device into the public’s face in multiple areas.

    • Omega Z

      “attack the scientist and their qualifications”
      That’s already begun with the SR radio program.

  • jonnyb

    I believe that it is to close any ambiguity that the first test may have shown. For example the remote possibility of a DC supply being present as well. This should be an enhancement of the existing test report and just close any loop holes. I believe the last report would normally have been acceptable to most people, this is just belt and braces.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That crazy train left the station long ago.
      You really don’t want to buy a ticket now.

      • jonnyb

        If that was the case why bother having yet another test when the last one seemed to produce positive results. If the test was acceptable to all then don’t bother to do more, we should already be at a definitive conclusion, however it does not appear that we are. The crazy train is still running until LENR is accepted by the mainstream.

        • Omega Z

          jonnyb
          The 1st test more or less indicted the Rossi effect is real, but there are many more questions that need answers(Many answerable only by a long run test.) that are much better from a 3rd party then from Rossi or the originator of any technology.

          Is it stable, dependable, safe, Etc, Etc…
          The 1st test was just a preliminary examination. The 2nd was absolutely necessary.
          As to the DC, Pretty much ruled out by happenstance. Other electrical devices were powered by the same mains. Most of these items do not mix well with AC/DC voltage feed into them.

          • jonnyb

            Yeh Omega, but I have never questioned the D.C. component it is others. I remember clicking to a link to show how it was done, the method would never have worked how they described it, circuit diagram. I think in the case of LENR you have to cover all bases or else some desperate naysayer will try and make a case for fraud. More testing is great but the first test should have been enough for the scientific world to take note, it should have been outed in all major news rooms by now, in my opinion anyway.

          • Fortyniner

            As admin says, most probably more than one reason. A lot of money would have been needed to underwrite the 6 month study, and that means a directly commercial purpose or purposes. I voted for ‘certification/insurance purposes’ but I think it’s likely that attracting interest (pump priming) and in connection with patent applications might also figure strongly (assuming that IH underwrote the study costs).

          • Omega Z

            If you recall, Elforsk had budgeted about $225K for the 2nd test tho contingent on the results of the 1st test. Considering how in depth this 2nd test(Appears to be) I wouldn’t be surprised if they or someone else(it’s been mentioned) haven’t upped the ante.

            I don’t think it is about certification. Rossi has already past that test, & likely will pass the test of a more advanced Reactor. Regardless, Safety tests will be required from SGS or UL, Etc, regardless of the 3rd party test, these Certifications do allows insurability

            This was just a possibility proposed to Frank from a poster. Frank likely has or will realize the SGS certification nulls this but allows it as an option for the posters. Regardless, I wouldn’t want Franks Job.

            The 1st test was just a preliminary fact finding mission. The 2nd test was always a forgone conclusion given the promising results of the 1st. It’s purpose is/was to validate the findings of the 1st test & if so, delve deeper for details, Stability, COP, Etc… All important for business & many other purposes.

            We tend to forget that most of what we know is soft evidence. Outside Entities will want more details & Will want that to come from outside the inner circle. That inner circle includes Rossi & I.H.
            This is just normal business practice. Trust then verify.

        • fritz194

          Otherwise, the entire range of nuclear physics originates from phenomenon around things producing ionizing radiation from isotopes.

          A product which is definitely not operating under any known “nuclear physics” theory – and with a mild gamma radiation similar to a TV tube – might originate its operation from “nuclear effects” .
          There is no single reason to treat this reactors as “nuclear devices” – because we mean a different “thing” if we talk about that.
          At the moment – there are no LENR devices on the market – so there is no applicable rule how to classify them.
          There are trillions of explosions within combustion engines around the world every moment – but a car is not treated nor traded as “explosive device”.

  • jonnyb

    I believe that it is to close any ambiguity that the first test may have shown. For example the remote possibility of a DC supply being present as well. This should be an enhancement of the existing test report and just close any loop holes. I believe the last report would normally have been acceptable to most people, this is just belt and braces.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That crazy train left the station long ago.
      You really don’t want to buy a ticket now.

      • jonnyb

        If that was the case why bother having yet another test when the last one seemed to produce positive results. If the test was acceptable to all then don’t bother to do more, we should already be at a definitive conclusion, however it does not appear that we are. The crazy train is still running until LENR is accepted by the mainstream.

        • bachcole

          The four day test only showed that it was real. It did not show that it was controllable or commercializable. These new tests will also tighten up some other short-comings of the first tests.

          • jonnyb

            Yeh makes sense, shame the first test did not finally remove any doubt that LENR is real if not fully understood or controllable, it did for me. No doubt that this will come very soon.

        • Omega Z

          jonnyb
          The 1st test more or less indicted the Rossi effect is real, but there are many more questions that need answers(Many answerable only by a long run test.) that are much better from a 3rd party then from Rossi or the originator of any technology.

          Is it stable, dependable, safe, Etc, Etc…
          The 1st test was just a preliminary examination. The 2nd was absolutely necessary.
          As to the DC, Pretty much ruled out by happenstance. Other electrical devices were powered by the same mains. Most of these items do not mix well with AC/DC voltage feed into them.

          • jonnyb

            Yeh Omega, but I have never questioned the D.C. component it is others. I remember clicking to a link to show how it was done, the method would never have worked how they described it, circuit diagram. I think in the case of LENR you have to cover all bases or else some desperate naysayer will try and make a case for fraud. More testing is great but the first test should have been enough for the scientific world to take note, it should have been outed in all major news rooms by now, in my opinion anyway.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    We also have the patent angle, verification that the technology works will help getting patents.

    • paul42

      There is no one answer.
      The reason for the testing varies depending on the party involved.

      Some of the scientists are doing the test to prove that they were not being scammed by the earlier test.

      Some of the scientists just want to know if it really works. And some want to know as much as possible about how it works.

      IH is in it for the money.
      They want investors and industries willing to license their technology.

      Rossi is in it to bolster his reputation, as an engineer and maybe as a philanthropist.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    We also have the patent angle, verification that the technology works will help getting patents.

  • Guru

    Of course main intended purpose is business for IH and investors money etc. etc.

    Here is far more important unintended consequence for whole Planet Earth:

    Withou such report or without such “market validation” a whole Planet Earth investors and companies will be continuing in building oldfashioned coal and nuke powerplants, electric wire infrastructure etc etc in tempo 3 to 6 billion USD per day. Per every day.

    I trying illuminate this to Rossi and DGT folks. I failed. They play their private game which cost this Planet circa 1 to 2 Trillion USD in sunk costs into oldfashioned technologies for last 1-2 years. So Rossi and IH will profitin few more millions and Planet Earth all investors sunk 1-2 Trillions USD into hopeless old tech projects. Who know more unscrupulous strategy ?
    Maybe some US and Hitlerish wars. I don’t know other.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Cherokee has that covered. If the investment money is there, Darden can collect it. Any amount.

  • LilyLover

    A contractual requirement by Chinese govt for mass production factories permits. Enabling Scandinavian scientists to be able to reproduce core in the event of uneventful death of Rossis. Forcing global cooperation to prosperous humanity. Since demand will outpace supply, licensed production money is better than secrecy with low production. In Mercato Veritas – to me, implies – marginalisation of patent offices – grant us IP – great; if not, who cares! I believe Rossi & IH have strategised for success even in the event of patents offices trying to steal IP. The IP theft will be impossible after this important report. Then, he’ll have all his glory back even in the mainstream media.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Darden could channel billions of dollars into Industrial Heat investments every year for years to come. If it were his money, he could run out. He cannot run out!
      He manages a multi-billion dollar investment fund which doubles in size frequently.

      The President of the U.S.A. probably has a status on the upcoming report already.
      Don’t worry, be happy.

  • US_Citizen71

    I voted for “For E-Cat sales and marketing purposes” because everything else except “To continue a scam” is a pillar of support or euphemism for Sales and Marketing. R&D, patents, certifications, understanding the science and increased investment are all things that help strengthen and support sales and marketing. Convincing the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity is the job of marketing.

  • HHiram

    Option #2 is really two separate issues. Science has two primary components: empirical data and theory.

    The scientists conducting the tests are first producing empirical data (i.e. observations of a phenomenon). This is an important first step because most scientists do not believe that this phenomenon is real.

    The scientists *might* be interested in producing a theory that explains the empirical observations, but that will probably come later. It is also possible (likely?) that these scientists are not talented enough to produce the theory. Theoretical physics is extremely difficult work, and requires true mathematical genius.

  • Curbina

    I lean for the third and last options, with a major component of the later.

  • Curbina

    I lean for the third and last options, with a major component of the later.

  • Alain Samoun

    To continue a scam! That’s a really long one, since 1989! Madoff is beaten! ;=)
    Seriously,I will use the report To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity
    I also wish that it could help To understand the science behind the E-Cat/LENR

    • Ophelia Rump

      To continue a scam is my favorite, completely bug scat insane, but my favorite because of the complete absurdity.

      It needs to be there, if only to demonstrate the current state of the human condition.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Madoff had beaucoup victims. Where are Rossi’s?

      • Alain Samoun

        You know Iggy that I was kidding…
        If he gets his E-Cat on the market, Rossi will have a lot of ‘victims’ starting with big oil,big coal,big nuclear fission/fusion,electrical companies,Arabia peninsula kings,Russia oligarchs,financial interests and politicians linked to fossil fuels and my auto mechanic among others.
        By the way, if Madoff is the only financial big wig in jail, it is because his victims were rich people, but that is another story.

  • Alain Samoun

    To continue a scam! That’s a really long one, since 1989! Madoff is beaten! ;=)
    Seriously,I will use the report To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity
    I also wish that it could help To understand the science behind the E-Cat/LENR

    • Ophelia Rump

      To continue a scam is my favorite, completely bug scat insane, but my favorite because of the complete absurdity.

      It needs to be there, if only to demonstrate the current state of the human condition.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      Madoff had beaucoup victims. Where are Rossi’s?

      • Alain Samoun

        You know Iggy that I was kidding…
        If he gets his E-Cat on the market, Rossi will have a lot of ‘victims’ starting with big oil,big coal,big nuclear fission/fusion,electrical companies,Arabia peninsula kings,Russia oligarchs,financial interests and politicians linked to fossil fuels and my auto mechanic among others.
        By the way, if Madoff is the only financial big wig in jail, it is because his victims were rich people, but that is another story.

  • Ophelia Rump

    You left out:
    The benefit of mankind.
    Cleanly powering cities and nations.
    The democratization of power production.
    Because, if it can be done it must be done.
    The children.
    Survival of the human species.
    To help stop the destruction of the planet.

  • Ophelia Rump

    You left out:

    * The benefit of mankind.

    * To accelerate the process of cleanly powering cities and nations.

    * To enable the acceptance of the democratization of power production.

    * Because, if it can be done it must be done.

    * The children.

    * To ensure the survival of the human species.

    * That is simply how business and science is done.

    * To help stop the destruction of the planet.

    * Ignorance is not bliss.

    * It is simply too important to screw up.

    * People who take the biggest chances can make the most money, but only after they can convince the more risk averse that it is a safe investment.

    • bachcole

      And don’t forget payback to skeptopaths. (:->)

      • Ophelia Rump

        Finally a cause I can rally behind.

        • bachcole

          And, of course, it is not only the fun of revenge that I am talking about. It is also pushing the revolution ahead. The revolution where small tests and low budget labs get more respect, where personal experience is not just pooh-poohed out of hand, where authority figures are questioned and not worshiped. ETC.

          • Ophelia Rump

            My friend, picture a world where power generation is local, and personally owned, and costs a tiny fraction of anyone’s personal income.

          • bachcole

            Changing the structure of how energy is created and consumed is not the only revolution that I am hoping for. I am hoping for a revolution in most if not all segments of society, including but not limited to food production, health care, academia, etc.

  • Chris, Italy

    My suspicion is none of the above, but instead that Elforsk wanted it fue to all the criticism against the first one, which they had wanted. Likely they were not yet able to count the IH turn to the fullest of its implications, because it diminishes the need quite a bit, or maybe they just want more direct evidence that meets less objections.

    • Omega Z

      “maybe they just want more direct evidence” That’s would be my guess.
      Note: Elforsk budgeted 2 tests. The 2nd contingent on the results of the 1st. The amounts were about $25K & $225K

      The 1st test was for a quick analysis to determine whether it warranted further investment of time/money. It wasn’t meant to be all conclusive. It was apparently promising. It triggered the 2nd test.

      The 2nd test would be to validate initial findings of the1st test & if so, investigate it to a conclusion. Like most here at ECW, The longevity of the test indicates Positive findings. Otherwise, Why continue if it doesn’t work. Cut it short & go home.

      This of coarse doesn’t mean the H-cat is home free. Elforsk’s Findings will be very interesting 1st of which-solid proof it is real.
      Is it stable or does it fluctuate, Operating temps min/max. COP at various temps. And according to Rossi’s statements, They may be analyzing the Ash which can have repercussions in marketing strategy.(Safety Issues)

      I presume considering Elforsk’s position, They will disseminate this information to multiple parties. Any issues with the technology, possible remediation of said issues & how close this technology is to development & coming to market. So it appears the reason for the test is multifaceted. All interrelated.

      Even with a Given Validation of LENR, Everything this test reveals will be very valuable.There are many questions Business will have. Elforsk can act as a clearing house providing basic information. They could recover their costs in initial consulting fees if they so choose.

  • AstralProjectee

    To the majority of you that picked “To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity” it just doesn’t makes sense to me. Since Rossi doesn’t give a **** what his critics or the public thinks. He’s had chances to prove it to the public and he has repeatedly said he doesn’t care. And IH hasn’t shown any particular big interest in doing that either as of right now at least.

  • AstralProjectee

    To the majority of you that picked “To convince the general public/media of the E-Cat’s validity” it just doesn’t makes sense to me. Since Rossi doesn’t give a **** what his critics or the public thinks. He’s had chances to prove it to the public and he has repeatedly said he doesn’t care. And IH hasn’t shown any particular big interest in doing that either as of right now at least.

    • AstralProjectee

      I personally chose something more general. Which is “For E-Cat sales and marketing purposes.” as Rossi has always talked about that the public will decide, meaning the market.

  • Kevin O

    Another reason is because the 7 original scientists needed to save face. They overlooked something as simple as the possibility of DC being run through the wires and other things a scam artist might do.

    Rossi was probably livid. He gives them his device, his time, his lab and expected a bullet proof report. His opinion of scientists is pretty low, based on his own experiences with them.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That was proven B.S. The day after the question was raised.
      You need to get some new material.

      If you knew how AC and DC show up on an O-Scope, you would know that you can’t hide one voltage signal inside the other, the wave heights would be the sum of both.

      • jonnyb

        That depends how you set your Oscilloscope up though doesn’t it. DC clamp would do it for me.

        • jonnyb

          Or even better a Spectrum Analyzer on the input, that would cover DC to RF, although I have never used one for DC but I believe they can be used.

      • Billy Jackson

        why get new material. .. if they repeat a non-truth loud enough and long enough they will convince a large majority that its the truth. this is how disinformation wins. not by denial but by never changing its stance.. now add a “Authority” to it.. and your fighting an uphill battle against a lie that no matter how many papers or testimonies you throw at it.. will be accepted as truth by the uninformed and uneducated.

  • Kevin O

    Another reason is because the 7 original scientists needed to save face. They overlooked something as simple as the possibility of DC being run through the wires and other things a scam artist might do.

    Rossi was probably livid. He gives them his device, his time, his lab and expected a bullet proof report. His opinion of scientists is pretty low, based on his own experiences with them.

    • Ophelia Rump

      That was proven B.S. The day after the question was raised.
      You need to get some new material.

      If you knew how AC and DC show up on an O-Scope, you would know that you can’t hide one voltage signal inside the other, the wave heights would be the sum of both.

      • jonnyb

        That depends how you set your Oscilloscope up though doesn’t it. DC clamp would do it for me.

        • jonnyb

          Or even better a Spectrum Analyzer on the input, that would cover DC to RF, although I have never used one for DC but I believe they can be used.

      • Billy Jackson

        why get new material. .. if they repeat a non-truth loud enough and long enough they will convince a large majority that its the truth. this is how disinformation wins. not by denial but by never changing its stance.. now add a “Authority” to it.. and your fighting an uphill battle against a lie that no matter how many papers or testimonies you throw at it.. will be accepted as truth by the uninformed and uneducated.

  • Philip James

    The fundamental point missing, that is slightly spread out amongst some of the options, is to “VALIDATE THE EFFECT”. I agree, understanding the science is key, but that’s going to take years. Validating the effect provides the foundation for all of the options (in terms of PR, raising funds, convincing public/media). If one cannot validate the effect, it serves the purposes of those who believe this is a scam.

    When I write a paper, or do an experiment, and I get an interesting result– I am most interested in VALIDATING the effect. Then I worry about the reason for what I see.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Darden is currently managing about 2 Billion dollars in funds. Each year for the last few years, he has doubled the dollars he manages. So next year you can expect that Darden, Cherokee, Industrial Heat. will be able to channel 2 Billion in investments into Rossi’s technology.

  • Blazespin

    To get a patent!

    • Ophelia Rump

      One of two things will happen.
      The technology will be applied at the local and personal level.
      Where trust is needed.
      Or

      The technology will be distributed and metered.
      Where people have no idea what powers their home.

      The latter you will find is a form of servitude, where large portions of the economy are simply taken from everyone for the benefit of a few. That madness must end.

      • Ophelia Rump

        Darden could channel billions of dollars into Industrial Heat investments every year for years to come. If it were his money, he could run out. He cannot run out!
        He manages an investment fund.

  • Blazespin

    To get a patent!

  • paul42

    There is no one answer.
    The reason for the testing varies depending on the party involved.

    Some of the scientists are doing the test to prove that they were not being scammed by the earlier test.

    Some of the scientists just want to know if it really works. And some want to know as much as possible about how it works.

    IH is in it for the money.
    They want investors and industries willing to license their technology.

    Rossi is in it to bolster his reputation, as an engineer and maybe as a philanthropist.

    • bachcole

      I like your answer the best, even better than my own. And each person could have multiple reasons. I can read minds (:->), and I know that one of the scientists was glad to get out of the house because his wife is a nag.

  • V.p.S.

    The general public/media cannot be convinced by this report, no matter how good it would be. What they need is rather a report from a credible industrial customer (or better a few of them) about positive results of the real E-Cat installation. The upcoming report can only help to gain some more attention to the E-Cat from the public/media and therefore help to boost the IH business (more investors und better sales)

  • V.p.S.

    The general public/media cannot be convinced by this report, no matter how good it would be. What they need is rather a report from a credible industrial customer (or better a few of them) about positive results of the real E-Cat installation. The upcoming report can only help to gain some more attention to the E-Cat from the public/media and therefore help to boost the IH business (more investors und better sales)

    • bachcole

      To a great extent I agree with V.p.S. This sort of report is going to be toooo technical for many common folk. Someone has to hold their hand, and say things like, “I know of Dr. So-and-So well”, or “I looked up Dr. So-and-So on the Internet and he is a real professor at the University of BlahBlah. I even emailed him and asked him if he was a real person and if he really did sign that paper.” And stuff like that.

      It is not just about the technical complexity. There is a lot of trust issues. Remember that we are talking about the greatest technological and scientific paradigm shift in the history of the world. Our time has come, and our job is to hold a lot of hands and explain to people all that we have learned over the past 3.5 years.

      • Ophelia Rump

        One of two things will happen.
        The technology will be applied at the local and personal level.
        Where trust is needed.
        Or

        The technology will be distributed and metered.
        Where people have no idea what powers their home.

        The latter you will find is a form of servitude, where large portions of the economy are simply taken from everyone perpetually. Making us all born into eternal debt.

        I think the world needs to become more localized. This could bring up the standard of living for the entire planet, without our children being born a debt slave to a corporation.

        • bachcole

          Please, you just went off on me without actually understanding what I was saying. According to your mistaken understanding of what I said, every person on Planet Earth would have to do the testing necessary to prove to themselves (and to no one else because to prove to another person, they also would have to trust you, which is taboo according to you) that LENR was true. Trust is a vital ingredient in civilized society. It is obvious that some companies, industries and other segments of society should lose our trust, but that does not mean that we can or should live without trust.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Finally a cause I can rally behind.

    • bachcole

      And, of course, it is not only the fun of revenge that I am talking about. It is also pushing the revolution ahead. The revolution where small tests and low budget labs get more respect, where personal experience is not just pooh-poohed out of hand, where authority figures are questioned and not worshiped. ETC.

      • Ophelia Rump

        My friend, picture a world where power generation is local, and personally owned, and costs a tiny fraction of anyone’s personal income.

  • qcat

    I agree that validating the effect is the motivating factor for this report. However, if the tests are being designed to provide new kinds of information (e.g. isotopic composition), the results may lead to a better understanding of the physics of the reaction — and that would be the most important factor.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Honestly. If the technology is better than mankind has ever had. I do not want science to take it to some extreme understanding. We have seen technology taken to extremes before, and not liked the results. I would not mind if this one technology were allowed to save humanity from itself, without it becoming a threat.

  • Job001

    Cynical view;To get a billion dollar FF payout to say “Oh so sad, we are fools, it just doesn’t work.”
    Pragmatic view;To promote IH market effort for brown site remediation.
    Idealistic view;Provide proof LENR is real.
    Hee Hee, Which will win out?

    • Ophelia Rump

      I believe I read somewhere that Darden has patents for microgrid control technologies.
      So his interest is inclined toward distributed power solutions. I do hope he is targeting those as brownfield manufacturing sites for licensed technology manufacture, and not power production sites, it would be a shame to keep the technology in the hands of corporations, and out of the reach of people.

      This would be not only more profitable, but also enable the rollout of distributed power generation on a global scale. Picture a global rollout of the manufacturing for this product, rather than selling a few units to a few lucky corporations. IH would be design and research for global clients. I.H. based product manufacturing plants would spring up around the world like mushrooms.

      • Job001

        Given LENR works, which is more profitable?
        An immediate buyout by FF or commercialization?
        History and economics has often favored buyouts.
        IP law was inspired to promote improvements.
        IP law is often obstructed.
        Regulation limits monopoly.
        Monopoly obstructs regulation.
        The pendulum is slowing swinging from excess extortion back to humanity.
        Perhaps human hope will win one, yet it is doubtful.

  • Job001

    Cynical view;To get a billion dollar FF payout to say “Oh so sad, we are fools, it just doesn’t work.”
    Pragmatic view;To promote IH market effort for brown site remediation.
    Idealistic view;Provide proof LENR is real.
    Hee Hee, Which will win out?

    • Ophelia Rump

      I believe I read somewhere that Darden has patents for microgrid control technologies.
      So his interest is inclined toward distributed power solutions. I do hope he is targeting those as brownfield manufacturing sites for licensed technology manufacture, and not power production sites, it would be a shame to keep the technology in the hands of corporations, and out of the reach of people.

      This would be not only more profitable, but also enable the rollout of distributed power generation on a global scale. Picture a global rollout of the manufacturing for this product, rather than selling a few units to a few lucky corporations. IH would be design and research for global clients. I.H. based product manufacturing plants would spring up around the world like mushrooms. The IH based power source could be manufactured right at third party manufacturing sites, provided by Cherokee which is run by Darden; who also supplies the investors.

      • Job001

        Given LENR works, which is more profitable?
        An immediate buyout by FF or commercialization?
        History and economics has often favored buyouts.
        IP law was inspired to promote improvements.
        IP law is often obstructed.
        Regulation limits monopoly.
        Monopoly obstructs regulation.
        The pendulum is slowing swinging from excess extortion back to humanity.
        Perhaps human hope will win one, yet it is doubtful.

  • Omega Z

    The Most important of ALL which isn’t an option as yet in the Poll.
    To greatly add to the Validity of the Technology.

    Even as a very strong supporter, There is still the ever so tiny IF.
    All is based on soft evidence. Even the 3rd party test was not bullet proof regardless what the naysayers have to say about it.

    This recent 3rd party Test is intended to put everything to rest. This test would open the door wide rather then being just a crack as we have now. Even if 100% real, The lack of full validation will be a major drag on the roll out for years.

    Many of us Know that many Politicians & Business people are aware of Rossi & the E-cats, But until this 3rd party report is in Ink with very positive results, I don’ expect any of them to talk about it publicly.
    The Subject is to touchy. Most don’t want nor need the embarrassment should it fall short of expectations..

  • Omega Z

    The Most important of ALL which isn’t an option as yet in the Poll.
    To greatly add to the Validity of the Technology.

    Even as a very strong supporter, There is still the ever so tiny IF.
    All is based on soft evidence. Even the 3rd party test was not bullet proof regardless what the naysayers have to say about it.

    This recent 3rd party Test is intended to put everything to rest. This test would open the door wide rather then being just a crack as we have now. Even if 100% real, The lack of full validation will be a major drag on the roll out for years.

    Many of us Know that many Politicians & Business people are aware of Rossi & the E-cats, But until this 3rd party report is in Ink with very positive results, I don’ expect any of them to talk about it publicly.
    The Subject is to touchy. Most don’t want nor need the embarrassment should it fall short of expectations..

  • simon

    to aid in approval of patent applications

  • simon

    to aid in approval of patent applications

  • Obvious

    To prove the LENR works, therefore to increase competition, thus increasing the pace of adoption, therefore meeting Rossi’s goal of improving the living conditions of humanity.

  • Obvious

    To prove the LENR works, therefore to increase competition, thus increasing the pace of adoption, therefore meeting Rossi’s goal of improving the living conditions of humanity.

  • jousterusa

    Five of those six explanations work for me, Frank. I certainly don’t think it’s “to continue a scam.” I will have that much more ammo in my pouch in the next encounter with a pathoskeptic, and to me that matters. I’m sure it matter more to Rossi and IH that the results prove what Rossi has maintained all along, that there is a significant net power gain over input using the device, and that it can be commercially deployed.

    To me, it’s regrettable that electricity co-generation (with heat) has not been a priority for Rossi as it has been for this country since President Obama’s Executive Order on co-generation last October. That EO can help earn Rossi substantial financial backing both from government (via the DOE) and industry (in government partnerships) if he devotes more effort toward producing electricity with these industrial and home devices.

    Rossi ought to do the math on this issue. If his devices can allow people to generate enough power to go off the grid – or sell power back to it – then he can sell a million at $2,000 each and earn $2 billion. If he sells 1,000 industrial “Hot Cats,” he only makes $1.5 billion. Frankly, the former is a lot easier to sell than the latter because people are used to having generators of some type at home, while it takes months to work $1.5 million each out of corporate bureaucracies.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Darden can sell production factories and technology licenses to the world, and supply the investors.
      Who will buy, every conceivable type of manufacturing, or just power production and distribution conglomerates?

      That question holds the answer to our futures.

  • jousterusa

    Five of those six explanations work for me, Frank. I certainly don’t think it’s “to continue a scam.” I will have that much more ammo in my pouch in the next encounter with a pathoskeptic, and to me that matters. I’m sure it matter more to Rossi and IH that the results prove what Rossi has maintained all along, that there is a significant net power gain over input using the device, and that it can be commercially deployed.

    To me, it’s regrettable that electricity co-generation (with heat) has not been a priority for Rossi as it has been for this country since President Obama’s Executive Order on co-generation last October. That EO can help earn Rossi substantial financial backing both from government (via the DOE) and industry (in government partnerships) if he devotes more effort toward producing electricity with these industrial and home devices.

    Rossi ought to do the math on this issue. If his devices can allow people to generate enough power to go off the grid – or sell power back to it – then he can sell a million at $2,000 each and earn $2 billion. If he sells 1,000 industrial “Hot Cats,” he only makes $1.5 billion. Frankly, the former is a lot easier to sell than the latter because people are used to having generators of some type at home, while it takes months to work $1.5 million each out of corporate bureaucracies.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Darden can sell production factories and technology licenses to the world, and supply the investors.
      I expect that if you are selling licenses and factories, you want your power source to power everything in the world.

      So that, I think is what will happen. Billions in investments will pour into Cherokee.
      IH will build prototypes and technology demonstrators and sell technology licenses to every manufacturer who wants the ultimate power source. By selling technology licensing you get your product embedded in every other product in the world in record time, and get a neat slice of every pie. Buy a factory from Cherokee and it comes with a LENR plant built in.

      There will be a device for every heat and power generation purpose put out by multiple competing companies. This has the potential to put the global economy into overdrive.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Honestly. If the technology is better than mankind has ever had. I do not want science to take it to some extreme understanding. We have seen technology taken to extremes before, and not liked the results. I would not mind if this one technology were allowed to save humanity from itself, without it becoming a threat.

  • orsobubu

    Anything but to continue a scam. Yes, we italians are masters and big exporters of frauds and crimes in general, above all if compared to our small economic world relevance. But, I imagine myself in Rossi’s place. He was a little-known small technologist, he developed some ideas in the past, usually corrupted state officials and historically conniving judicial system changed the rules on the fly and big interests were protected as usual, he went acquitted for related charges but, experiencing the italian tax voracity, had problems due to fiscal offenses. Being a small entrepeneur, not a corporation, If he was really guilty, where is the VERY LAST place in the world to continue a scam and be favored by mild laws, compared to Italy? USA for sure. And, to the contrary, if he was sinless, where is the first place of the world to take a revenge, pursue an innovative undertaking and obtain tax advantages for his business?

  • jonnyb

    Yeh makes sense, shame the first test did not finally remove any doubt that LENR is real if not fully understood or controllable, it did for me. No doubt that this will come very soon.

  • georgehants

    Cold Fusion Now
    UK Ministry of Defence
    Global Strategic Trends – Out to 2040
    Cold Fusion – A Disruptive Energy Source – UK Defence Report – pg 92
    A novel, efficient form of energy generation could be developed that rapidly lowers demand for hydrocarbons.
    For example, the development of commercially available cold
    fusion reactors could result in the rapid economic marginalization of
    oil-rich states.
    This loss of status and income in undiversified economies could
    lead to state-failure and provide opportunities for extremist groups to
    rise in influence.
    http://coldfusionnow.org/uk-ministry-of-defence-global-strategic-trends-report-winston-churchill-and-cold-fusion/

    • Daniel Maris

      It’s a very prescient comment. Careful what you wish for! – as they say. In the short term cold fusion or LENR may lead to instability and more bloodshed, though in the long run I do think it will be a real boon for humanity and enable hundreds of millions of people in the world to raise themselves out of dire poverty.

      • Ophelia Rump

        War is the equivalent of dogs fighting over a limited supply of food.
        Energy is that food for nations.

        So how then is unlimited ubiquitous energy destabilizing?

        • bachcole

          Easy. Internally to each nation, almost free energy will mean that the rich and powerful will have one less means to control things. In some countries this transition will happen peacefully. In other nations, like the small states of the Persian Gulf, not so much.

          • Fortyniner

            Russia also depends on gas exports, which will be severely dented by CF. That could cause problems that the demise of a few oil sheikhs will not.

    • MikeP

      Good point. The biggest danger would be a country like ruSSia who have put none of their energy riches into infrastructure, but rather into their military and into the pockets of a few …

      • Alain Samoun

        “country like ruSSia”
        Don’t forget that Russia lost 20 millions of people fighting the SS…

        • Ophelia Rump

          Before WWII Russia took all the food from neighboring countries and starved 20 million to death in preparation. So mourn 40 million.

          This is why there was a cold war.

          • Alain Samoun

            All nationalities are brutal if you persuade them that others are brutal…

          • bachcole

            All nationalities are brutal if they believe that others are brutal, either through propaganda or experience or whatever.

      • Ophelia Rump

        They do not value their own people. America and the rest of the world are going the same direction, not valuing their people, only their corporations.

        This paradigm shift in power puts the power in all the peoples hands, it democratizes power. It is time to stop balancing on the edge of swords to control the flow of energy, to control power.

    • Alain Samoun

      As I said before:
      If he gets his E-Cat on the market, Rossi will have a lot of ‘victims’
      starting with big oil,big coal,big nuclear fission/fusion,electrical
      companies,Arabia peninsula kings,Russia oligarchs,financial interests
      and politicians linked to fossil fuels and my auto mechanic among
      others. But all that will be, at the end, for the benefit of mankind, like Ophelia said.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I disagree with the Ministry Of Defence.
        Unlimited cheep energy will democratize power. And power is Power!
        There will not be marginalization except in their limited and obsoleted perspective.

        There will be an entirely new paradigm. Those supposedly to be marginalized countries will be able to undertake any project for self betterment at a grass roots level, desalination, industrialization, greening deserts, indoor farming on unprecedented scale. The list of benefits for those with needs is almost limitless. The only ones who will not be empowered are those who already have more than they need, and still want more.

        If the technology is not metered but available at the personal level, only the control freaks of the world will be marginalized.

    • GreenWin

      The only States that will destabilize from LENR are those refusing to accept and adopt LENR. If a State is focused on energy production, they had best be prepared to adopt new technologies. With $$billions of West dollars, oil States can jump start LENR manufacturing, installation, and servicing businesses. The world will need these. Resistance to superior LENR is futile.

      • Omega Z

        You Know, If the Oil Nations choose to adapt, They have all those petrol dollars to do so. They actually have an edge. Those dollars aren’t going to dry up overnight.

    • Omega Z

      “and provide opportunities for extremist groups to rise in influence.”

      That’s it george. All the reason they need to suppress LENR.

      No, not at all. It will take decades to transition this technology into Society. Fossil energy will be needed beyond it’s availability. Replacements for them will need to be developed. All will have time to adapt.

      As GW points out, Only those who refuse to adapt will have issue’s.
      As to the Report- It’s their Job to look at worst case scenario’s. To allow & prepare. Just In Case.

      The Only way this worst case scenario could play out is if everything transitioned in like, 5 years. It will take longer then that just to build the factories to manufacture these systems. Longer outside of China. Red Menace verses Red Tape. Which does Business fear most??

    • jousterusa

      I’m not sure on what historical scale they are saying that successful cold fusion devices “could result in the rapid economic marginalization of oil-rich states.” How rapid would it have to be marginalize Iraq and Venezuela, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia and the UAE? I would think “rapid” in this sense supposes a minimum of two decades (20 years), and more likely, as I measure it, half a century. Just overcoming the inertia of America’s utility and oil and gas infrastructure would take a quarter-century at least.

  • georgehants

    Cold Fusion Now
    UK Ministry of Defence
    Global Strategic Trends – Out to 2040
    Cold Fusion – A Disruptive Energy Source – UK Defence Report – pg 92
    A novel, efficient form of energy generation could be developed that rapidly lowers demand for hydrocarbons.
    For example, the development of commercially available cold
    fusion reactors could result in the rapid economic marginalization of
    oil-rich states.
    This loss of status and income in undiversified economies could
    lead to state-failure and provide opportunities for extremist groups to
    rise in influence.
    http://coldfusionnow.org/uk-ministry-of-defence-global-strategic-trends-report-winston-churchill-and-cold-fusion/

    • MikeP

      Good point. The biggest danger would be a country like ruSSia who have put none of their energy riches into infrastructure, but rather into their military and into the pockets of a few …

      • Alain Samoun

        “country like ruSSia”
        Don’t forget that Russia lost 20 millions of people fighting the SS…

        • MikeP

          No Russia did not … the vast majority of people killed in the conflict on the Eastern front were not Russian … they were not ethnic Russian … the conflict was mostly on the lands of Ukraine and Belarus and these countries had the heaviest losses, both in terms of people and destruction of infrastructure … what you’re repeating is the image that Stalin tried to project …

          • Alain Samoun

            Mike:
            You will have to explain who are the “ethnic Russian”, but my point is that Russia,as a country, should not be assimilated to nazi SS,even if we don’t like its current and previous leadership. including Stalin. Demonizing a whole country is a crime against humanity.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Before WWII Russia took all the food from neighboring countries and starved 20 million to death in preparation. So mourn 40 million.

          This is why there was a cold war.
          The Germans were brutal.
          The Russians were brutal.
          The Japanese were brutal.
          The Americans became brutal. There was a strong isolationist and pacifist leaning in America before that war. As the pacifist Kenneth Patchen said, “When you kill Hitler, you become Hitler.”

          • Alain Samoun

            All nationalities are brutal if you persuade them that others are brutal…

          • bachcole

            All nationalities are brutal if they believe that others are brutal, either through propaganda or experience or whatever.

      • Ophelia Rump

        They do not value their own people. America and the rest of the world are going the same direction, not valuing their people, only their corporations.

        This paradigm shift in power puts the power in all the peoples hands, it democratizes power. It is time to stop balancing on the edge of swords to control the flow of energy, to control power.

    • Alain Samoun

      As I said before:
      If he gets his E-Cat on the market, Rossi will have a lot of ‘victims’
      starting with big oil,big coal,big nuclear fission/fusion,electrical
      companies,Arabia peninsula kings,Russian oligarchs,financial interests
      and politicians linked to fossil fuels and my auto mechanic among
      others. But all that will be, at the end, for the benefit of mankind, like Ophelia said.

      • Ophelia Rump

        I disagree with the Ministry Of Defence.
        Unlimited cheep energy will democratize power. And power is Power!
        There will not be marginalization except in their limited and obsoleted perspective.

        There will be an entirely new paradigm. Those supposedly to be marginalized countries will be able to undertake any project for self betterment at a grass roots level, desalination, industrialization, greening deserts, indoor farming on unprecedented scale. The list of benefits for those with needs is almost limitless. The only ones who will not be empowered are those who already have more than they need, and still want more.

        If the technology is not metered but available at the personal level, only the control freaks of the world will be marginalized.

    • GreenWin

      The only States that will destabilize from LENR are those refusing to accept and adopt LENR. If a State is focused on energy production, they had best be prepared to adopt new technologies. With $$billions of West dollars, oil States can jump start LENR manufacturing, installation, and servicing businesses. The world will need these. Resistance to superior LENR is futile.

      • bachcole

        The instability may be caused by states who are used to the power coming from the top suddenly discovering that their tops no long have power except that garnered by the gun. Many middle eastern states are stable because the leaders give a lot of money to their citizens. When (not if, but when) that largess ends, there will be hell to pay.

      • Omega Z

        You Know, If the Oil Nations choose to adapt, They have all those petrol dollars to do so. They actually have an edge. Those dollars aren’t going to dry up overnight.

    • Omega Z

      “and provide opportunities for extremist groups to rise in influence.”

      That’s it george. All the reason they need to suppress LENR.

      No, not at all. It will take decades to transition this technology into Society. Fossil energy will be needed beyond it’s availability. Replacements for them will need to be developed. All will have time to adapt.

      As GW points out, Only those who refuse to adapt will have issue’s.
      As to the Report- It’s their Job to look at worst case scenario’s. To allow & prepare. Just In Case.

      The Only way this worst case scenario could play out is if everything transitioned in like, 5 years. It will take longer then that just to build the factories to manufacture these systems. Longer outside of China. Red Menace verses Red Tape. Which does Business fear most??

    • jousterusa

      I’m not sure on what historical scale they are saying that successful cold fusion devices “could result in the rapid economic marginalization of oil-rich states.” How rapid would it have to be marginalize Iraq and Venezuela, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia and the UAE? I would think “rapid” in this sense supposes a minimum of two decades (20 years), and more likely, as I measure it, half a century. Just overcoming the inertia of America’s utility and oil and gas infrastructure would take a quarter-century at least.

  • John De Herrera

    NOTE TO ALL NEWS MEDIA: If the results of this “Validation/Report” are POSITIVE and verify a new type of Energy Reactor and substantial energy output, this is the greatest news for mankind! We need SAFE, CLEAN, LOW COST, ABUNDANT ENERGY NOW! Go out and tell the world what is coming soon to our homes, businesses, transportation, etc. All our energy could be supplied by these new reactors.
    jdh

  • As admin says, most probably more than one reason. A lot of money would have been needed to underwrite the 6 month study, and that means a directly commercial purpose or purposes. I voted for ‘certification/insurance purposes’ but I think it’s likely that attracting interest (pump priming) and in connection with patent applications might also figure strongly (assuming that IH underwrote the study costs).

    • Omega Z

      If you recall, Elforsk had budgeted about $225K for the 2nd test tho contingent on the results of the 1st test. Considering how in depth this 2nd test(Appears to be) I wouldn’t be surprised if they or someone else(it’s been mentioned) haven’t upped the ante.

      I don’t think it is about certification. Rossi has already past that test, & likely will pass the test of a more advanced Reactor. Regardless, Safety tests will be required from SGS or UL, Etc, regardless of the 3rd party test, these Certifications do allows insurability

      This was just a possibility proposed to Frank from a poster. Frank likely has or will realize the SGS certification nulls this but allows it as an option for the posters. Regardless, I wouldn’t want Franks Job.

      The 1st test was just a preliminary fact finding mission. The 2nd test was always a forgone conclusion given the promising results of the 1st. It’s purpose is/was to validate the findings of the 1st test & if so, delve deeper for details, Stability, COP, Etc… All important for business & many other purposes.

      We tend to forget that most of what we know is soft evidence. Outside Entities will want more details & Will want that to come from outside the inner circle. That inner circle includes Rossi & I.H.
      This is just normal business practice. Trust then verify.

    • John De Herrera

      In a ‘Regulated Industry’, like Medical Device, Pharmaceutical, Biotechnology, it is a requirement that you Validate everything you use to design, test and make that product. Then, if you obtain approval from FDA, ISO, etc. you can manufacture and sell your product. Maybe IH can manufacture and sell E-Cats now, however, if the E-Cat is proven to be a ‘nuclear energy device’ it may be regulated. That may be the purpose of the current ‘Independent Validation’ of Rossi E-Cats.
      jdh

      • fritz194

        Otherwise, the entire range of nuclear physics originates from phenomenon around things producing ionizing radiation from isotopes.

        A product which is definitely not operating under any known “nuclear physics” theory – and with a mild gamma radiation similar to a TV tube – might originate its operation from “nuclear effects” .
        There is no single reason to treat this reactors as “nuclear devices” – because we mean a different “thing” if we talk about that.
        At the moment – there are no LENR devices on the market – so there is no applicable rule how to classify them.
        There are trillions of explosions within combustion engines around the world every moment – but a car is not treated nor traded as “explosive device”.

        • bachcole

          Excellent analogy.