Replication Thread

The most recent E-Cat test has given us another piece of evidence about the operation of the E-Cat with new clues about what makes the reactor work and what might be behind the reactions taking place. Replication by outside entities could help with the patent application for the E-Cat, since one requirement for patent approval is that someone of normal skill in the art could build a device.

As far as bringing more attention to this technology, I don’t think that there will be anything that will help with that regard more than successful outside replication.

With this in mind, I have created this permanent thread here on E-Cat World where comments on the subject can be kept in one place and which will not be buried over time where discussions about replication can take place.

  • ecatworld

    It looks like the Martin Fleschmann Memorial Project is making an all-out attempt to replicate the E-Cat. You can follow discussion and progress at their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    One interesting conjecture is that the resistance heaters inside the E-Cat could be induction heaters — which ties in with Ross’s recent revelation that the E-Cat works only with AC, not DC

    • Sanjeev

      As far as I know, high frequency AC is needed to inductively heat small pieces of metal. A powder will require very high frequencies.

      The report does not mention any HF equipment, just simple 50Hz 3 Phase supply and they clearly could heat the dummy without any powder in it.

      On page 3, the metal and type of heating element is mentioned:
      “Three braided high-temperature grade Inconel cables exit from each of the two caps: these are the resistors wound in parallel non-overlapping coils inside the reactor. “

      • Ged

        Maybe so then. We’ll have to see what MFMP say, as they’ve been looking into the inductive heating and seem to have a solution that solves that HF issue. Could just be resistive after all! But the requirement for AC and the way the heat evolves seems to suggest more going on.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The surface inductance frequency would need to be super imposed on to the main AC 50Hz that is chopped and would need to be tuned to target the heating of the particle surface – probably higher than 30MHz. This super imposed signal would not have been observed by the PCE-830s but the power consumption was included by monitoring the power to the control box.

        • Ged

          Just to say again for the readers: the measurements -from- the control box have no bearing or impact on the power calculations in the report, which used the power measured directly from the mains -to- the control box. But if there is any secret sauce signals -from- the control box to reactor, they could be missed. Total power in is not in question, just special control box signals to the reactor that may be important for replication or not.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ged is correct.

            One of our team is designing a driving circuit as we speak.

            Alan says

            “I was considering the higher power requirement because you mentioned “40-50 amps during pulse width”. That corresponds to around 1 kw given the 20 ohm inductive reactance of the heater coil at 27 mHz. So a 1 kw RF source operated at 1% duty cycle pulses would give 10 watts average power with 50 amp peak current.”

            Interestingly, I used to have a site selling RC cars with RF controllers in this range – the 27 and 35 are legal in the UK – of course these are nothing powers.

            http://mini-rc.co.uk

          • Sanjeev
        • Sanjeev

          How much HF power can those copper wires carry at 30MHz ?

          Even for small power levels we need coax cables. Anyway please try if its doable for you.

          The report says at page 3: “The E-Cat’s control apparatus consists of a three-phase TRIAC power regulator, driven by a programmable microcontroller; its maximum nominal power consumption is 360 W. The regulator is driven by a potentiometer used to set the operating point (i.e. the current through the resistor coils, normally 40-50 Amps), and by the temperature read by the reactor’s thermocouple.”

          I could find no mention of HF equipment or interference shielding.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            There could be some RF around anyway. This reminds me of an amusing story: In the early times of wireless broadcasting in Germany some people who had their allotments near a sender utilized the energy of the radio waves for lighting. They just stretched a wire between two trees that served as an antenna and connected light bulbs to the wire and the ground. It worked perfectly – the whole colony was illuminated at night. Later this method was forbidden, for obvious reasons.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Did they use the data from PCE 830 A or PCE 830 B (p. 5, Fig. 4) to calculate the COP?

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Sorry, I notice that Ged has already given an answer. However, I could not find this information in the report.

          • Bob Greenyer

            In our latest blogpost, we make a speculation on what the mouse and cat actually are…

            https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

          • Omega Z

            Bob

            Rossi has said that the mouse only comes into play during the SSM stage which wasn’t used in the test.
            This was also mentioned in the report(ON/OFF mode wasn’t used).
            SSM equates to the ON/OFF
            Also, If I recall, the magnetic pulse also wasn’t used.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We have said before that

            1. the chopped AC will create magnetic pulses and the leading edge would create distortion related EM harmonics

            2. The mouse was specifically not in this test yes, maybe the control box was not even capable of it. It may be RF for direct inductive surface heating of the particles…. it would still likely need to spin the mix – so there would still be pulses, but they would be just enough to spin the mix, keep it in the centre and alternate the magnetic field.

  • Frank Acland

    It looks like the Martin Fleschmann Memorial Project is making an all-out attempt to replicate the E-Cat. You can follow discussion and progress at their Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    One interesting conjecture is that the resistance heaters inside the E-Cat could be induction heaters — which ties in with Ross’s recent revelation that the E-Cat works only with AC, not DC

    • Sanjeev

      As far as I know, high frequency AC is needed to inductively heat small pieces of metal. A powder will require very high frequencies.

      The report does not mention any HF equipment, just simple 50Hz 3 Phase supply and they clearly could heat the dummy without any powder in it.

      On page 3, the metal and type of heating element is mentioned:
      “Three braided high-temperature grade Inconel cables exit from each of the two caps: these are the resistors wound in parallel non-overlapping coils inside the reactor. “

      • Ged

        Maybe so then. We’ll have to see what MFMP say, as they’ve been looking into the inductive heating and seem to have a solution that solves that HF issue. Could just be resistive after all! But the requirement for AC and the way the heat evolves seems to suggest more going on.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The surface inductance frequency would need to be super imposed on to the main AC 50Hz that is chopped and would need to be tuned to target the heating of the particle surface – probably higher than 30MHz. This super imposed signal would not have been observed by the PCE-830s but the power consumption was included by monitoring the power to the control box.

        • Ged

          Just to say again for the readers: the measurements -from- the control box have no bearing or impact on the power calculations in the report, which used the power measured directly from the mains -to- the control box. But if there is any secret sauce signals -from- the control box to reactor, they could be missed. Total power in is not in question, just special control box signals to the reactor that may be important for replication or not.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Ged is correct.

            One of our team is designing a driving circuit as we speak.

            Alan says

            “I was considering the higher power requirement because you mentioned “40-50 amps during pulse width”. That corresponds to around 1 kw given the 20 ohm inductive reactance of the heater coil at 27 mHz. So a 1 kw RF source operated at 1% duty cycle pulses would give 10 watts average power with 50 amp peak current.”

            Interestingly, I used to have a site selling RC cars with RF controllers in this range – the 27 and 35 are legal in the UK – of course these are nothing powers.

            http://mini-rc.co.uk

        • Sanjeev

          How much HF power can those copper wires carry at 30MHz ?

          Even for small power levels we need coax cables. Anyway please try if its doable for you.

          The report says at page 3: “The E-Cat’s control apparatus consists of a three-phase TRIAC power regulator, driven by a programmable microcontroller; its maximum nominal power consumption is 360 W. The regulator is driven by a potentiometer used to set the operating point (i.e. the current through the resistor coils, normally 40-50 Amps), and by the temperature read by the reactor’s thermocouple.”

          I could find no mention of HF equipment or interference shielding.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            There could be some RF around anyway. This reminds me of an amusing story: In the early times of wireless broadcasting in Germany some people who had their allotments near a sender utilized the energy of the radio waves for lighting. They just stretched a wire between two trees that served as an antenna and connected light bulbs to the wire and the ground. It worked perfectly – the whole colony was illuminated at night. Later this method was forbidden, for obvious reasons.

          • TVulgaris

            Does anyone have any idea WHICH PLC is used? 30 Mhz is an extremely low clock these days, establishing the maximum frequency available to superimpose on the triac output. I’d be enormously surprised if the triac plus control circuit sinks the full 360W, but might explain part of the lower COP (3+ versus 6) compared to previous tests- perhaps this is a buffering or ballasting sort of behavior that limits thermal runaway, in addition to being required to actually initiate?

            Obviously what is needed is a trace of the input signal, which equally obviously opens up reverse-engineering threats to IP protection. How much time would Rossi have devoted to determining his input excitation? Is it even a critical value?

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Did they use the data from PCE 830 A or PCE 830 B (p. 5, Fig. 4) to calculate the COP?

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Sorry, I notice that Ged has already given an answer. However, I could not find this information in the report.

  • hunfgerh

    Inside nano-scaled RT-superconductor high current density can produced by small
    ampers. This is the ground condition for all cold fusion reactions via electron-/neutron-capture.

    As described since 2001 in several patents1,2) nano-scaled RT-superconductor can formed by depositing lithium or calcium on the surface of Eisen, Nickel, Palladium-, Rhodium- substrates in an atmosphere of hydrogen. The deposition of lithium and calcium on the substrates can take place from the liquid phase via electrolysis or from the solid phase by thermal decomposition
    of lithium-hydride.

    For the Lugano experiment the solid phase was chosen. Here probably a mix of nickel
    powder and lithium hydride was thermally reacted by a heating coil. During this
    preheat phase a superconductor is formed in the center of the reactor.

    After formation of the superconductor the heating coil is taken from the net as
    element of power input. Now the superconductor is switched as element of
    the power input side. The resulting magnetic field from the superconductor is
    stimulating the remaining heating coil and heats them up to ca 1200 oC.
    With other words, after preheating Phase there is a transformer circuit with a
    superconductor as primary side und the heating coil as secondary side.

    1)DE10109973A1

    2)DE2008047334B4

    For more
    information, see
    https://sites.google.com/site/h2sucofu/

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Do you mean that the ends of the heating coil are short-circuited after they have been taken from the mains? That would be a totally new idea.

      • hunfgerh

        Yes

      • hunfgerh

        yes

    • Sanjeev

      As far as I know a superconductor will not generate energy !
      It will consume it, but a tiny amount. HTSC are still well below 0C at this time, so if you can produce a SC at 1400C, it will be as big a discovery as Ecat itself.

      So I guess you are not aware that Ecat transmutes the nuclei, which seem to be the most obvious source of excess energy ?

      • hunfgerh

        please read first “Anwendung von RT-Supraleiter” and “via einer CF-Theorie zur Synthese von RT-Supraleitern” further more DE10109973A1 side 101 in “Wettlauf gegen …..” in
        https://sites.google.com/site/

      • Andreas Moraitis
        • Sanjeev

          That is 12 year old application and is about making superconductor thin films. I can’t read it mostly but it looks like he thinks it will be used in some fusion process, but its not about fusion itself.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We know of a scientist that is working with Pd thin film, D and Laser excitation and are trying to encourage him to go public with his findings.

          • Has MFMP officially stated at their website that they try now to replicate the ecat?

          • Bob Greenyer

            We are working hard and reviewing the material and what our options are.

            There are several easier and other more difficult options to pursue with differing timings.

            We are planning to launch a “Collaborate” to focus our options.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Maybe it’s O(18) from the alumina.

            Ni(58) + O(18) > Ni(60) + O(16) 8.20 MeV

            Ni(60) + O(18) > Ni(62) + O(16) 8.20 MeV

            Ni(61) + O(18) > Ni(62) + O(17) 2.55 MeV

            That leaves some other kinds of reactions we must find for Ni(64) to Ni(62)

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Pardon me,
            Ni(60) + O(18) > NI(62) + O(16) is 6.22 MeV

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Or maybe O(18) from iron oxide.

          • Gerard McEk

            I do not beleive that heat in the powder is magnetically induced, or is produced by friction. The forces are too small and the frequency too low. I do believe it is possible that the powder will be attracted by the resistive wires and cover them due to the magnetic forces. This will have a positive effect on LENR as then the magnetic field is strongest near the wires, when the magnetic field actually enhances LENR, which we do not really know.

          • Bob Greenyer

            In our last two Facebook posts, we propose a number of experiments to address the major questions in the report.

            Alan may also have discovered why a 10kW CCI FUSION 3 phase controller was chosen when only 900W was seemingly needed.

            https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • hunfgerh

    Inside nano-scaled RT-superconductor high current density can produced by small
    ampers. This is the ground condition for all cold fusion reactions via electron-/neutron-capture.

    As described since 2001 in several patents1,2) nano-scaled RT-superconductor can formed by depositing lithium or calcium on the surface of Eisen, Nickel, Palladium-, Rhodium- substrates in an atmosphere of hydrogen. The deposition of lithium and calcium on the substrates can take place from the liquid phase via electrolysis or from the solid phase by thermal decomposition
    of lithium-hydride.

    For the Lugano experiment the solid phase was chosen. Here probably a mix of nickel
    powder and lithium hydride was thermally reacted by a heating coil. During this
    preheat phase a superconductor is formed in the center of the reactor.

    After formation of the superconductor the heating coil is taken from the net as
    element of power input. Now the superconductor is switched as element of
    the power input side. The resulting magnetic field from the superconductor is
    stimulating the remaining heating coil and heats them up to ca 1200 oC.
    With other words, after preheating Phase there is a transformer circuit with a
    superconductor as primary side und the heating coil as secondary side.

    1)DE10109973A1

    2)DE2008047334B4

    For more
    information, see
    https://sites.google.com/site/h2sucofu/

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Do you mean that the ends of the heating coil are short-circuited after they have been taken from the mains? That would be a totally new idea.

      • hunfgerh

        Yes

      • hunfgerh

        yes

    • Sanjeev

      As far as I know a superconductor will not generate energy !
      It will consume it, but a tiny amount. HTSC are still well below 0C at this time, so if you can produce a SC at 1400C, it will be as big a discovery as Ecat itself.

      So I guess you are not aware that Ecat transmutes the nuclei, which seem to be the most obvious source of excess energy ?

      • hunfgerh

        please read first “Anwendung von RT-Supraleiter” and “via einer CF-Theorie zur Synthese von RT-Supraleitern” further more DE10109973A1 side 101 in “Wettlauf gegen …..” in
        https://sites.google.com/site/

      • Andreas Moraitis
        • Sanjeev

          That is 12 year old application and is about making superconductor thin films. I can’t read it mostly but it looks like he thinks it will be used in some fusion process, but its not about fusion itself.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We know of a scientist that is working with Pd thin film, D and Laser excitation and are trying to encourage him to go public with his findings.

    • TVulgaris

      Wouldn’t the formation of a superconductive region produce easily-measured effects on the input-power curve?

  • Ged

    Thanks for this thread, Frank! Let me put up here what we’ve gathered across the threads as probably needed for the replication. Most is actually from MFMP analysis and conversations and Pekka:

    1. Micronized nickel powder, but not nano sized. Tubercal structures in the powder grain are essential. Site of the reaction.

    2. LiAlH2, at about the tenth the mole fraction as nickel, from Pekka’s analysis. Acts as at least one source of hydrogen. Pre exposing the nickel micronized, tubercal powder to hydrogen to preload it to some stable state (stable in air) is probably the another source of hydrogen and easy to do. Works as part of the reaction and may be a partial catalyst. May even be a side, moderating reaction that keeps the main nickel reaction stable.

    3. Fe2O3 reduced and coating the micronized nickel. In fact, the tubercals may be heavily associated with the iron. Breaks apart molecular hydrogen, and participates in the reaction as a catalyst.

    4. Heating coils using inductive, not resistative heat to initiate and control reaction. Aligns nickel to proper geometry, heats via a skin resonance effect directly on the nickel reaction sites and not the wires, allows magetic stabilizing small currents in self sustained mode (maybe).

    5. TRIAC controller. Works with thermalcoupler input from reactor to control inductive heating and maintain reaction temps at favorable, controlled levels. Important for the physical alignment of the nickel reaction, the heating, and the magnetic stimulating pulses.

    Other than that, it uses an alumina body as that can survive the temps. The internal induction wires are likely tungston.

    Any more info, corrections, or ideas, please place below, such as powder preparation which is one of the most important aspects of the system.

    • Sanjeev

      Well a very good list, but I find some problems in it. Please correct if I’m wrong.
      1. How will the structure remain intact at 1400C ? It was found molten and formed as granules (mentioned in the report).
      3. Any reliable sources for Fe2O3 being a catalyst?
      4. The testers used simple resistive heating.
      5. Triac will not produce HF at enough power, only tiny harmonics. HF not needed I guess. However a control loop is needed to vary its firing rate to decrease the current as the reactor heats up.

      • Ged

        1. The nickel can go to at least 1455 C. The iron may stabilize it farther from what’s been suggested, to 1500 C. At the same time, some breakdown and recondensation of fuel may be taking place based on SEM and isotope results.

        3. Yes, it is believed to catalyze the breakdown of hydrogen for the reaction, but not directly interact. That would make the iron a true catalyst, unlike the lithium which is used up in some way apparently.

        4. That might be so. There may be a combination of the two, as well. MFMP has the deeper analysis on this that is convincingly in favor of induction, but I can’t tell you exactly one way or the other. Resistative it may well be.

        5. Exactly. Though HF can be generated by other harmonic methods rather than directly, which the TRIAC can do by my understanding. If just resistive, than HF doesn’t matter, but the control loop is probably highly important for proper replication.

        • Sanjeev

          The ash analysis shows that Fe disappears completely. Now that is a head scratching result…..
          If Fe goes away, how then it continues to work ? The answer is unknown. May be they made a mistake in analysis of ash, they took only 2 kinds of particles, so might have missed it.
          The SEM pictures do show a sintering effect. I still think that a large surface area, rather than some fixed size and shape of structure is enough of the reaction. I assume that the temperature at the core would be higher than its surface temperature, but since pressure is also high, the melting point of Ni can get elevated. Now I do not know for sure if the tube is air tight.

          • Ged

            That’s true, we don’t know how air tight the tube is, though we know it’s sealed. Since it has to hold in hydrogen for a certain time, it has to be pretty good at keeping a seal, I would guess.

            I like the MFMP theory that as the reaction progresses, isotopes of the material that cannot participate in the nuclear reactions cool and get purified out into homogenous crystals in the cooler spots of the reactor. That seems the best explanation other than everything being turned into nickel 62 and lithium 6. The Fe may have been in other hotter spots and thus part of different ash granules the team didn’t get to test.

            But even if all the Fe is lost, I think it’s still a catalyst in the early stages of the reaction at least. However, maybe it is a red herring and is just a contaminant, or simply helps with homogenous heating early on. Replication should let us vary all these parameters ourselves and find out the answers to these questions.

    • artefact

      Rossi said: “..Our doped conductor has non linear answers, and it acts in synergy with
      the regulation and control system in a very sophysticated way.”

      Doped Titanium is for example here:
      http://www.doped-tungsten-wire.com/
      “Doped tungsten, also called non-sag tungsten, is a remarkable kind of
      dispersion strengthened material. The term non-sag refers to the
      resistance of the wire against deformation or sagging under its own
      weight at working temperature. The intentional simultaneous use of
      K-compounds, Si-compounds, and Al-compounds as dopes for tungsten is in
      order to obtain a well-defined internal interlocking structure.
      Doped Tungsten wires are products incorporating the
      silicon and aluminum oxide into the tungsten wires in the milling
      process. Doped tungsten wire are manufactured by the high tech of
      doping, acid washing, isostatic pressing, program control
      direct-sintering, swaging and auto feeding. The products are featured
      with minimum deformation at high temperatures, high recrystallization
      temperatures and excellent coil ability. “

  • Curbina

    I think the people in the MFMP are already onto it. The only “Problem”
    is that nothing of this kind is quick, and with all the new information,
    we now have even more variables to deal with, which only complicates
    the experimental set up. I for one am still very puzzled by the lack of
    radiation. That is a huge feat on its own. And the choice of alumina for
    the body of the reactor IMHO has something to do with that, along with
    the higher melting point.

    • Ged

      Alumina blocks beta radiation completely, and could block very low flux and low energy gamma, but mostly just beta/alpha.

  • Curbina

    I think the people in the MFMP are already onto it. The only “Problem”
    is that nothing of this kind is quick, and with all the new information,
    we now have even more variables to deal with, which only complicates
    the experimental set up. I for one am still very puzzled by the lack of
    radiation. That is a huge feat on its own. And the choice of alumina for
    the body of the reactor IMHO has something to do with that, along with
    the higher melting point.

    • Ged

      Alumina blocks beta radiation completely, and could block very low flux and low energy gamma, but mostly just beta/alpha.

  • Has MFMP officially stated at their website that they try now to replicate the ecat?

    • Bob Greenyer

      We are working hard and reviewing the material and what our options are.

      There are several easier and other more difficult options to pursue with differing timings.

      We are planning to launch a “Collaborate” to focus our options.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP postulates a solution to the question of the pure Ni62 particle

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    + we have been offered, for free, isotopic analysis services that will be able to detect Ni isotopes by EarthTech Texas. We will run these as double blind.

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/general-updates/421-earthtech-international-to-donate-isotopic-analysis-to-mfmp

    • Curbina

      EarthTech has also “The mother of all calorimeters”, they have some powerfull tools, I hope this colaboration travels far.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP postulates a solution to the question of the pure Ni62 particle

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    + we have been offered, for free, isotopic analysis services that will be able to detect Ni isotopes by EarthTech Texas. We will run these as double blind.

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/general-updates/421-earthtech-international-to-donate-isotopic-analysis-to-mfmp

    • Curbina

      EarthTech has also “The mother of all calorimeters”, they have some powerfull tools, I hope this colaboration travels far.

  • Andrew

    I’m probally wrong but if it’s an induction heater and nothing is inside will it still get hot? As in the dummy reactor report. The reported output was the same as the input.

    • Ged

      As they used thermal imaging, output is only seen as heating and must be the input or less, unless there’s a reaction above and beyond. Induction can’t create more heat power than electrical went in.

      But since the dummy did make heat proportional to input by IR, maybe these are resistive heaters after all, with a small magnetic componant. Induction may be superior heating solution though, and worth a look, though don’t know for sure if they were used in this case or not. I would think inductive heaters still make some resistive heat since they aren’t super conductors, after all.

      Hope that helps some. Others probably know more.

      • It is interesting that the dummy run showed within measurement error that heat out was equivalent to energy in. That seems to rule out significant RF input, a measurable fraction of which would presumably be radiated away from the coils in the radio waveband.

  • Zack I

    I’m a chemist. I would guess that the use of iron is most likely to aide the formation of the particle morphology as we see in the SEM images, but I’m only arm-chairing here.

    Regarding the SEM morphology images of the micro-textured fuel and ash particles, I am fairly convinced from an engineering perspective that 1.) the reactor was run in a mildly overheated state for quite some time, and 2.) the benefits of high surface area are at around the 1 micron range for the smallest features are outweighed by the drawbacks of surface area loss by creep. This seems obvious to me because there are commercially available nano-powders of these metals (much more surface area), though they would be more vulnerable to failure at such high temperatures.

    I suspected for a while that the nickel material used must have high porosity and surface area, but after seeing the electron micrographs, optimization of the feature scale by balancing durability and surface area appears to be a design parameter.

    Further, since the reactions likely rely on relatively large extended lattices, nano-textured particles are also not preferred as they have a larger volume fraction of lattice defects and each crystal is smaller.

    I hope my observations are of value! I am eagerly watching (and enjoying) this unfold!

    • Ged

      Thank you for your observations!

    • TVulgaris

      Nice analysis; I’d wonder if the loss in surface area is due to sintering/recrystallization rather than creep- but creep would introduce far more lattice and larger-scale defects, which might be the real reactive sites (re:Storms).

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Did anyone think of these scrambling reactions yet?

    Ni(60) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Ni(62) 1.92 MeV

    Ni(61) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Ni(60) 2.78 MeV

    Ni(61) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Ni(63) half life is 100 years 0.94 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(60) > Ni (62) + Ni(61) 0.98 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Ni(62) 3.76 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(63) > Ni (62) + Ni(64) 2.82 MeV

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      I know that there aren’t enough neutrons to complete this but maybe something else can feed into this. Maybe iron will finish the job.

      Fe(58) + Ni(60) > Ni (62) + Fe(56) 1.92 MeV

      Fe(58) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Fe(57) 2.78 MeV

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PPS
        Forgot these:

        Fe(56) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Fe(58) 1.20 MeV

        Fe(54) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Fe(56) 4.00 MeV

      • Pekka Janhunen

        A replication of the Lugano experiment could shed light on several issues:
        – calorimetry: optical and IR transparency of alumina, brought up by sceptics
        – how high was the core temperature, how close to nickel melting point

        – does hydrogen escape from alumina enclosure over 1 month under that temperature
        – how large might have been the pressure of the core (if constrained by breaking of alumina)
        – how does lithium react with alumina

        By straightforward, faithful replication, one could definitely make progress in these questions, even if replication of the anomalous phenomenon itself would not succeed. For example, if hydrogen escaped, then one learns that hydrogen was not involved in the reaction or else there was some internal hydrogen diffusion barrier made of another material.

        • Freethinker

          calorimetry: optical and IR transparency of alumina, brought up by sceptics.

          Tried to comment to you on that in another thread. Regarding the transparency, I have found a few graphs indicating (depends a bit on the sintering of the material, granule size etc) that there is a transmission window in around 1 micron, but that transmission goes to 0 around 6 micron. As the thermal imaging devices used by the testers were operating (according to the report) in the spectral range of 7.5 – 13 micron, it seems that the reactor and the cable rods are opaque in that regime. I then speculate that when viewing the thermal images the dynamic color ranges selected by the device is such that it emphasizes structures. Hence i the IR images of the rods the cable is easily seen, but it may not be from transmittance but rather proximity to the walls of the cable.

          Do we have any clear IR image of the reactor? Can’t find one in the report, there is only fig10, but it is to show areas of computations, and is obscured by that graphics, and may anyway not be representable.

          If anybody has some input on any of this it would be greatly appreciated appreciated.

        • Fortyniner

          There also seems to be some possibility that lithium may also escape to some degree, at the higher operating temperature of the second part of the experimental run was above lithium’s boiling point of 1,342 °C.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PPPS

      Forgot the most abundant isotope Ni(58)

      Fe(58) + Ni(58) > Ni (62) + Fe(54) 0.617 MeV

      I know this makes no sense but they’re all exothermic.

      Maybe Li-6 is being recycled back to Li-7 to help in some sort of neutron transfer chain reaction.

      For example:

      Li(6) + Ni(63) > Ni(62) + Li(7) 0.413 MeV

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Did anyone think of these scrambling reactions yet?

    Ni(60) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Ni(62) 1.92 MeV

    Ni(61) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Ni(60) 2.78 MeV

    Ni(61) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Ni(63) half life is 100 years 0.94 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(60) > Ni (62) + Ni(61) 0.98 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Ni(62) 3.76 MeV

    Ni(63) + Ni(63) > Ni (62) + Ni(64) 2.82 MeV

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      I know that there aren’t enough neutrons to complete this but maybe something else can feed into this. Maybe iron will finish the job.

      Fe(58) + Ni(60) > Ni (62) + Fe(56) 1.92 MeV

      Fe(58) + Ni(61) > Ni (62) + Fe(57) 2.78 MeV

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PPS
        Forgot these:

        Fe(56) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Fe(58) 1.20 MeV

        Fe(54) + Ni(64) > Ni (62) + Fe(56) 4.00 MeV

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PPPS

      Forgot the most abundant isotope Ni(58)

      Fe(58) + Ni(58) > Ni (62) + Fe(54) 0.617 MeV

      I know this makes no sense but they’re all exothermic.

      Maybe Li-6 is being recycled back to Li-7 to help in some sort of neutron transfer chain reaction.

      For example:

      Li(6) + Ni(63) > Ni(62) + Li(7) 0.413 MeV

  • Ged

    Thank you for your observations!

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Maybe it’s O(18) from the alumina.

    Ni(58) + O(18) > Ni(60) + O(16) 8.20 MeV

    Ni(60) + O(18) > Ni(62) + O(16) 8.20 MeV

    Ni(61) + O(18) > Ni(62) + O(17) 2.55 MeV

    That leaves some other kinds of reactions we must find for Ni(64) to Ni(62)

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Pardon me,
      Ni(60) + O(18) > NI(62) + O(16) is 6.22 MeV

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Or maybe O(18) from iron oxide.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    A replication of the Lugano experiment could shed light on several issues:
    – calorimetry: optical and IR transparency of alumina, brought up by sceptics
    – how high was the core temperature, how close to nickel melting point

    – does hydrogen escape from alumina enclosure over 1 month under that temperature
    – how large might have been the pressure of the core (if constrained by breaking of alumina)
    – how does lithium react with alumina

    By straightforward, faithful replication, one could definitely make progress in these questions, even if replication of the anomalous phenomenon itself would not succeed. For example, if hydrogen escaped, then one learns that hydrogen was not involved in the reaction or else there was some internal hydrogen diffusion barrier made of another material.

    • Freethinker

      calorimetry: optical and IR transparency of alumina, brought up by sceptics.

      Tried to comment to you on that in another thread. Regarding the transparency, I have found a few graphs indicating (depends a bit on the sintering of the material, granule size etc) that there is a transmission window in around 1 micron, but that transmission goes to 0 around 6 micron. As the thermal imaging devices used by the testers were operating (according to the report) in the spectral range of 7.5 – 13 micron, it seems that the reactor and the cable rods are opaque in that regime (or atleast as far as 10 micron, have not found data further out). I then speculate that when viewing the thermal images the dynamic color ranges selected by the device is such that it emphasizes structures. Hence i the IR images of the rods the cable is easily seen, but it may not be from transmittance but rather proximity to the walls of the cable.

      Explaining graphic and reference: http://bit.ly/ZnsdEl

      Do we have any clear IR image of the reactor? Can’t find one in the report, there is only fig10, but it is to show areas of computations, and is obscured by that graphics, and may anyway not be representative.

      If anybody has some input on any of this it would be greatly appreciated .

    • There also seems to be some possibility that lithium may also escape to some degree, or at least may have slowly permeated the alumina, as the higher operating temperature of the second part of the experimental run was above lithium’s boiling point of 1,342 °C.

      The method used to manufacture the alumina core would be of interest: use of alumina cement or particle sintering would create a relatively porous material, while fusing the material at very high temperature would result in a relatively impermeable structure. A possible ‘halfway house’ might be sintering under pressure followed by a thermal glazing process to form an impermeable ‘skin’ on the manufactured unit.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Alan DeAngelis

      Thank you, Bob. Perhaps the “rossion” that I can up with for April 1st, 2013 is real.
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/03/31/senate-directs-e-cat-work/

      “I’d like to tell the readers about the rossion. When the core of Rossi’s E-Cat is heated to 60 degrees C (to create inferred photons), electron holes (+) (positively charged fermions from the valance band of the nickel) react with hydrides H(-) to form neutral bosons, called rossions, r(+ -) (that are similar to ecitions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E
      ) . Because these rossions are bosons they can easily aggregate and undergo nuclear reactions with themselves or nickel nuclei.”

      Perhaps these rossions aggregate to form the most stable nucleus there is (as you pointed out) Ni(62).

      62 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 4[H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni(62) + 28 e+

      • Alan DeAngelis

        should have read INFRARED

      • Andreas Moraitis

        What would happen with the electrons? If the reactor is not grounded, you might get an electric shock when you touch it. The additional charge could also influence connected meters. Or is the overall balance of charge carriers conserved?

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Sorry, I did not notice that you wrote e+, not e-. The positrons should annihilate with free electrons. But then one could still ask if there is a compensation of the ‘missing’ charge.

  • Bob Greenyer
    • Alan DeAngelis

      Thank you, Bob. Perhaps the “rossion” that I can up with for April 1st, 2013 is real.
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/03/31/senate-directs-e-cat-work/

      “I’d like to tell the readers about the rossion. When the core of Rossi’s E-Cat is heated to 60 degrees C (to create inferred photons), electron holes (+) (positively charged fermions from the valance band of the nickel) react with hydrides H(-) to form neutral bosons, called rossions, r(+ -) (that are similar to ecitions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E
      ) . Because these rossions are bosons they can easily aggregate and undergo nuclear reactions with themselves or nickel nuclei.”

      Perhaps these rossions aggregate to form the most stable nucleus there is (as you pointed out) Ni(62).

      62 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 4[H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni(62) + 28 e+

      • Alan DeAngelis

        should have read INFRARED

      • Andreas Moraitis

        What would happen with the electrons? If the reactor is not grounded, you might get an electric shock when you touch it. The additional charge could also influence connected meters. Or is the overall balance of charge carriers conserved?

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Sorry, I did not notice that you wrote e+, not e-. The positrons should annihilate with free electrons. But then one could still ask if there is a compensation of the ‘missing’ charge.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Well, it seams much of the pieces of the puzzle were there 14 years ago

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • artefact

      Thanks for the info.

      (and btw. thank you BOBCAT!)

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – Bob-Cat were a real motivator for the team.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Well, it seams much of the pieces of the puzzle were there 14 years ago

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • artefact

      Thanks for the info.

      (and btw. thank you BOBCAT!)

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes – Bob-Cat are a real motivator for the team.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have been mulling over the type of three phase controllers needed and hitting a few dead ends. Until that is, MFMP Team member Alan Goldwater chanced upon the wonderfully named “microFUSION” by Control Concepts. Then I noticed something a bit familiar and did a quick photo comp – see what you think in the latest Facebook post.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • artefact

      That is great. And the name .. unimaginable.

      • Bob Greenyer

        From Alan,

        “That [the image in the composite and in the test probably] is the older generation of their product. Costs about 50% more than the MicroFusion but does offer RS485 interface for possible direct connection to HUGnet.”

        That actually would work out rather nicely

        • artefact

          Maybe you can get one for less or less if you tell them what you are planing to do with it and that it could be good advertisement if you are somewhat sucessfully.
          Show them what National Instruments is doing…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Something that might work in our favour is…

            …they are based in Minnesota and only 150 miles from the HUG labs!

    • Sanjeev

      First step in reverse engineering… success. Yes the color is important, red one works 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer
    • Bob Greenyer

      They removed the control concept logos where they could and put tape on it probably for two reasons – one as a tamper guard, two, to cover up the top logo on the control panel – the reason for this is the control panel, which has a logo at the top, INCLUDES the buttons for the controls and will be glued in – My brother used this type of button systems in many of his products.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have been mulling over the type of three phase controllers needed and hitting a few dead ends. Until that is, MFMP Team member Alan Goldwater chanced upon the wonderfully named “microFUSION” by Control Concepts. Then I noticed something a bit familiar and did a quick photo comp – see what you think in the latest Facebook post.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • artefact

      That is great. And the name .. unimaginable.

      • Bob Greenyer

        From Alan,

        “That [the image in the composite and in the test probably] is the older generation of their product. Costs about 50% more than the MicroFusion but does offer RS485 interface for possible direct connection to HUGnet.”

        That actually would work out rather nicely

        • artefact

          Maybe you can get one for less or less if you tell them what you are planing to do with it and that it could be good advertisement if you are somewhat sucessfully.
          Show them what National Instruments is doing…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Something that might work in our favour is…

            …they are based in Minnesota and only 150 miles from the HUG labs!

    • Sanjeev

      First step in reverse engineering… success. Yes the color is important, red one works 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer
    • Bob Greenyer

      They removed the control concept logos where they could and put tape on it probably for two reasons – one as a tamper guard, two, to cover up the top logo on the control panel – the reason for this is the control panel, which has a logo at the top, INCLUDES the buttons for the controls and will be glued in – My brother used this type of button systems in many of his products.

  • Herb Gillis

    Since this is the Replication Thread I would like to pose the question of what now constitutes a replication?

    Would an unequivocal demonstration of an isotope ratio change (by itself) be viewed as a replication? If the answer is “yes” then the latest 3rd party report must be viewed as a new and powerful tool for rapid screening of LENR formulations. Instead of looking for excess heat (in the first step), one could pre-screen for changes in the isotope ratios [of 62Ni to 58Ni; and 7Li to 6Li]. Any fuel formulation that shows an isotope ratio change would be a prime candidate for subsequent excess heat testing.

    Looking for unequivocal evidence of excess heat is technically demanding and slow, requiring large samples. It is not well suited for mass screening. But a change in isotope ratios would be easy to detect (ie. by mass spec), and could be done on very small samples. One could then, in theory at least, screen dozens or hundreds of prospective fuel formulations (by replicating the conditions of the recent 3rd party test as closely as possible) in the time it takes to look for excess heat in just one. This, in my view, could greatly speed up the replication process. Undoubtedly there are problems with this view. So; I am attempting to initiate a discussion of high throughput screening ideas in greater detail.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It would definitely be proof of LENR – but that was already provided by the Technova:Mitsubishi replication – it does not really add much overall. The Naval Research Labs would call it proof of LENR certainly.

      What is more interesting to the man on the street is can we make the LENR have utility (and I don’t mean producing a few grams of highly expensive, but soon to be cheap isotopes), i.e. can it make bucket loads of heat, preferably safer and with less emissions/ionising radiation and harmful residue than conventionally used technologies.

      Specifically, replication of Rossi Lugano would be achieved with the isotopes of Ni other than 62 disappearing from the ash and this is because of two reasons

      1. The heat output is in debate for a range of reasons and will remain so until this is replicated.

      2. The only real explanation for the isotopic changes other than LENR is that it was skilfully applied magic.

      Addressing point two would prove that we can safely manipulate matter at the atomic level which is an amazing thing in its own right. This would remove the most damaging criticism of the Lugano test.

      • Herb Gillis

        Bob; You raise some great points. But I don’t understand why LENR (as a reaction, not a power source) is still not widely accepted in the scientific community due to the Technova Mitsubishi replication? I think we are more likely to get to a point where LENR can provide “bucket loads of heat” if we can first get real respect from the broader scientific community- – hence more funding and support. I therefore still think that a flood of replications of the isotope ratio changes is the way to go. This would prove once and for all that existing nuclear theories are incorrect- – or at least incomplete.

  • Robert Ellefson

    Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html

    I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis.

    If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi’s reaction could be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel.

    So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself!

    I sure hope this helps.

  • Robert Ellefson

    Given the results of the SIMS analysis from the Lugano report, particularly as detailed in this posting:

    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg98596.html

    I believe that it is possible to evaluate the nuclear activity of candidate fuel samples simply by sputter-cleaning them as part of a ToF-SIMS analysis.

    If researchers with access to such analytic equipment were willing to run the experiment, I believe that a successful replication of Rossi’s reaction could be observed occurring with before-and-after spectra of the fuel.

    So, skip the reactors, start evaluating powders in the SEM itself!

    I sure hope this helps.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It would definitely be proof of LENR – but that was already provided by the Technova:Mitsubishi replication – it does not really add much overall. The Naval Research Labs would call it proof of LENR certainly.

    What is more interesting to the man on the street is can we make the LENR have utility (and I don’t mean producing a few grams of highly expensive, but soon to be cheap isotopes), i.e. can it make bucket loads of heat, preferably safer and with less emissions/ionising radiation and harmful residue than conventionally used technologies.

    Specifically, replication of Rossi Lugano would be achieved with the isotopes of Ni other than 62 disappearing from the ash and this is because of two reasons

    1. The heat output is in debate for a range of reasons and will remain so until this is replicated.

    2. The only real explanation for the isotopic changes other than LENR is that it was skilfully applied magic.

    Addressing point two would prove that we can safely manipulate matter at the atomic level which is an amazing thing in its own right. This would remove the most damaging criticism of the Lugano test.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In a response to the MFMP facebook post about the power controller, team member Alan Goldwater has worked out how to run the “FUSION” controller off single phase.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    In a response to the MFMP facebook post about the power controller, team member Alan Goldwater has worked out how to run the “FUSION” controller off single phase.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest Facebook post, MFMP lead scientist, Mathieu Valat, who is an expert in these matters, succinctly explains why Gallium 69 signature in the data is irrelevant.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Robert Ellefson

      Thanks for the response, but I hardly find this to be explanatory, given my specific questions about the high variability of peak 69 through the various spectra. Note that figure 11 (bottom) in appendix 3 shows the spectra of an ash grain which has undgone the same cleaning process as the other samples, but peak 69 is nearly absent. Is this from nearly-perfect recoil from the primary element combined with preferential adsorption on the other ash samples? Or is this because large amounts of mass 69 are not deposited during sputtering? This is unclear to me.

      The report already stated that Ga69 was used and therefore likely to be an artifact, and the cited wikipedia page was the first reference I had consulted, but it does not clarify the sputter-cleaning mechanism. My understanding is that isotopically-pure Ga69 is used as the primary ion source during scanning, but it is unclear to me that the same ion source is used for sputter-cleaning. It would seem that for many instruments, a separate gun is used for cleaning, but I could not find specific documentation for the PHI TRIFT-II instrument model.

      • Robert Ellefson

        I found further conflicting references to possible alternate ion sources used for sputter-cleaning with this instrument model, such as this link:
        http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/emslweb/instruments/time-flight-secondary-ion-tof-sims-mass-spectrometer

        So, I suppose the strongest evidence about the specific sputter-cleaning ion source would be the lack of description in the report of any other ion sources, thus implying the use of only pure Ga-69 for both analysis and sputter-cleaning.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest Facebook post, MFMP lead scientist, Mathieu Valat, who is an expert in these matters, succinctly explains why Gallium 69 signature in the data is irrelevant.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Robert Ellefson

      Thanks for the response, but I hardly find this to be explanatory, given my specific questions about the high variability of peak 69 through the various spectra. Note that figure 11 (bottom) in appendix 3 shows the spectra of an ash grain which has undgone the same cleaning process as the other samples, but peak 69 is nearly absent. Is this from nearly-perfect recoil from the primary element combined with preferential adsorption on the other ash samples? Or is this because large amounts of mass 69 are not deposited during sputtering? This is unclear to me.

      The report already stated that Ga69 was used and therefore likely to be an artifact, and the cited wikipedia page was the first reference I had consulted, but it does not clarify the sputter-cleaning mechanism. My understanding is that isotopically-pure Ga69 is used as the primary ion source during scanning, but it is unclear to me that the same ion source is used for sputter-cleaning. It would seem that for many instruments, a separate gun is used for cleaning, but I could not find specific documentation for the PHI TRIFT-II instrument model.

      • Robert Ellefson

        I found further conflicting references to possible alternate ion sources used for sputter-cleaning with this instrument model, such as this link:
        http://www.emsl.pnl.gov/emslweb/instruments/time-flight-secondary-ion-tof-sims-mass-spectrometer

        So, I suppose the strongest evidence about the specific sputter-cleaning ion source would be the lack of description in the report of any other ion sources, thus implying the use of only pure Ga-69 for both analysis and sputter-cleaning.

        • Robert Ellefson

          I’m still left wondering why figure 11b does not show post-sputtering accumulation of Ga69. Anybody have an idea about this? It this from preferential recoil vs. adsorption of the primary Ga69 ions because of the particular grain substance in figure 11b?

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest blogpost, we make a speculation on what the mouse and cat actually are…

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Omega Z

      Bob

      Rossi has said that the mouse only comes into play during the SSM stage which wasn’t used in the test.
      This was also mentioned in the report(ON/OFF mode wasn’t used).
      SSM equates to the ON/OFF
      Also, If I recall, the magnetic pulse also wasn’t used.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We have said before that

        1. the chopped AC will create magnetic pulses and the leading edge would create distortion related EM harmonics

        2. The mouse was specifically not in this test yes, maybe the control box was not even capable of it. It may be RF for direct inductive surface heating of the particles…. it would still likely need to spin the mix – so there would still be pulses, but they would be just enough to spin the mix, keep it in the centre and alternate the magnetic field.

  • Gerard McEk

    Andrea Rossi just made an interesting remark: ….” the behavior of the resistances, as I explained already, changes and is
    not linear, because it interacts with the charge. I cannot give more
    information about this particular, for obvious reasons.”

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • Mr. Moho

      Is he suggesting that the resistors are inside the reaction chamber and are actively contributing to the excess heat output?

      • Gerard McEk

        That is my interpretation of Andrea’s remark.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Very interesting. Provided that „charge“ does not mean the electric charge that is ‘transported’ by the wires (you can never be sure if you interpret Rossi correctly), his statement must refer to the fuel, which could be either the powder or some part of the wire, as has recently been hypothesized. In the first case, one could imagine that a magnetic field which is produced by the powder generates a voltage in the wire. In the second case, one might think of potential differences inside the wire, which are a direct result of LENR. I imagine that fairly complex control systems would be required to handle these effects.
      A rather trivial interpretation could refer to the temperature of the fuel, which would obviously influence the resistance. But who likes trivial explanations…

      • Gerard McEk

        I do not think it will be Elrctro Magnetic influences. That should have been seen by the ‘proffessors’, although we should ask them. The question is if they had a oscilloscope with sufficient bandwidth (say DC-1GHz), measuring the current connected to the system. The power measurement system did not have that bandwidth. My feeling is that it could be the mouse part, especially treated (Celani).

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Maybe Rossi did not want them to look deeper into that. The testers did also not report any details about the mysterious “electromagnetic pulses”. Apparently they have not been completely independent. I assume that some restrictions were negotiated in order to protect IH’s trade secrets.

          • Gerard McEk

            Their report leaves no doubt that Ecat works and where the energy comes from. If that is what them was asked to do, then the report is sufficient. Another issue is what they did more and not reported. Alvorsk is now preparing a LENR lab. No doubt they use the Ecat as a starting point and if they did more discover the secrets of the Ecat, than they are some steps in advance of others. In the meanwhile I assume IH and Rossi will have their patent I hope.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This might just be a thermal resistance feedback or the fact that the niobium in Inconel (up to 5.5% in standard alloys) has the highest magnetic depth of any element

      • Mr. Moho

        FYI, I’ve read on discussions on blogs around that the resistor/coil Rossi is using has a very low electrical resistance, which means it’s able to withstand hundreds of kilowatts of input power. From this I infer that for this test he must have been using short high current pulses. This could be important information for your replication plan. What if it can’t be easily scaled down to lab-scale, many-watts power range because the reaction requires high currents to occur?

        Caveat: I haven’t personally verified whether this is accurate or not, but might be worth looking into for the more technically minded who are planning to replicate this.

        • Gerard McEk

          I have mentioned elsewhere that the currents are indeed relatively sharp spikes, which are obviously caused by the low resistance and the used (too) high voltage. From electrical point of view that is a bad design, but it may be deliberately done because these high current peaks are needed to enhance the LENR effect magnetially.

      • Gerard McEk

        It is indeed interesting that Inconel has some traces of neodymium. The question is if the wire is pre-magnetized, because the coercivity is that high that it cannot be magnetized with the currents through the wire. Local strong fields may enhance LENR. Also the iron is interesting for enhancing the magnetic performance of the resistive wires. I suggest that the ECAT’s magnetic performances is calculated, based on the shown (in the report) current shape and assuming that the tree coils are located parallel next to each other over the length of the ECAT and are connected to a three phase system.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      He has now slightly edited his reply, instead of “because it interacts with the charge” he now writes “because it interacts with the reactor and the reactions“.

      • Gerard McEk

        I prefer his first reply, it reveals a bit more 🙂

  • Gerard McEk

    Andrea Rossi just made an interesting remark: ….” the behavior of the resistances, as I explained already, changes and is
    not linear, because it interacts with the charge. I cannot give more
    information about this particular, for obvious reasons.”

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Very interesting. Provided that „charge“ does not mean the electric charge that is ‘transported’ by the wires (you can never be sure if you interpret Rossi correctly), his statement must refer to the fuel, which could be either the powder or some part of the wire, as has recently been hypothesized. In the first case, one could imagine that a magnetic field which is produced by the powder generates a voltage in the wire. In the second case, one might think of potential differences inside the wire, which are a direct result of LENR. I imagine that fairly complex control systems would be required to handle these effects.
      A rather trivial interpretation could refer to the temperature of the fuel, which would obviously influence the resistance. But who likes trivial explanations…

      • Gerard McEk

        I do not think it will be Elrctro Magnetic influences. That should have been seen by the ‘proffessors’, although we should ask them. The question is if they had a oscilloscope with sufficient bandwidth (say DC-1GHz), measuring the current connected to the system. The power measurement system did not have that bandwidth. My feeling is that it could be the mouse part, especially treated (Celani).

        • Andreas Moraitis

          Maybe Rossi did not want them to look deeper into that. The testers did also not report any details about the mysterious “electromagnetic pulses”. Apparently they have not been completely independent. I assume that some restrictions were negotiated in order to protect IH’s trade secrets.

          • Gerard McEk

            Their report leaves no doubt that Ecat works and where the energy comes from. If that is what them was asked to do, then the report is sufficient. Another issue is what they did more and not reported. Alvorsk is now preparing a LENR lab. No doubt they use the Ecat as a starting point and if they did more discover the secrets of the Ecat, than they are some steps in advance of others. In the meanwhile I assume IH and Rossi will have their patent I hope.

    • Bob Greenyer

      This might just be a thermal resistance feedback or the fact that the niobium in Inconel (up to 5.5% in standard alloys) has the highest magnetic depth of any element.

      It could also be that the phase pulses are

      1. causing magnetic pinching of the reactor fuel
      2. the 3 phases and triple helix is acting as a spiral induction motor – spinning the mix
      3. the harmonics from the phase chop are triggering a process in the reactor.

      these and more have already been postulated.

      • Gerard McEk

        It is indeed interesting that Inconel has some traces of neodymium. The question is if the wire is pre-magnetized, because the coercivity is that high that it cannot be magnetized with the currents through the wire. Local strong fields may enhance LENR. Also the iron is interesting for enhancing the magnetic performance of the resistive wires. I suggest that the ECAT’s magnetic performances is calculated, based on the shown (in the report) current shape and assuming that the tree coils are located parallel next to each other over the length of the ECAT and are connected to a three phase system.

    • Kneebiter

      The heater wire might be the stator windings of a 3-phase motor and the powder the rotor. The powder charge would then produce a counter-emf in the stator (interacts with the charge). Maybe the powder is actually spinning around in there and the triac controller, in addition to producing heat in the wires is inputting electromagnetic force. Maybe the friction of all the moving particles produces heat???

      • Gerard McEk

        I do not beleive that heat in the powder is magnetically induced, or is produced by friction. The forces are too small and the frequency too low. I do believe it is possible that the powder will be attracted by the resistive wires and cover them due to the magnetic forces. This will have a positive effect on LENR as then the magnetic field is strongest near the wires, when the magnetic field actually enhances LENR, which we do not really know.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      He has now slightly edited his reply, instead of “because it interacts with the charge” he now writes “because it interacts with the reactor and the reactions“.

      • Gerard McEk

        I prefer his first reply, it reveals a bit more 🙂

      • Paul Smith

        Increasing the temperature of reactor, the electric resistance of inconel wires increases up to 650°C. After that value, the resistance decreases. Maybe is this non linear resistivity that affects the quantity of heat generated by inconel.

        Infact at higher temperatures the resistance is lower, the current is higher and the heat generated is much more. It would be useful trying to understand how this fact affects the reaction.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Is the answer under our feet?

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    May we can learn a lot of what we need to do by understanding the planet that support us.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Is the answer under our feet?

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    May we can learn a lot of what we need to do by understanding the planet that support us.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Since the beginning of the year, MFMP team member Bob Higgins has been building an experiment to specifically test for gammas. Maybe we can finally have an answer as to why the first e-cat produced gammas and the latest one did not (then again, it may have done but the alumina was thick enough to stop their energy.

    We have a sneak peak of this – and also Mathieu’s stunning, funded by the crowd, mass flow calorimeter, on our Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Since the beginning of the year, MFMP team member Bob Higgins has been building an experiment to specifically test for gammas. Maybe we can finally have an answer as to why the first e-cat produced gammas and the latest one did not (then again, it may have done but the alumina was thick enough to stop their energy.

    We have a sneak peak of this – and also Mathieu’s stunning, funded by the crowd, mass flow calorimeter, on our Facebook page.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • clovis ray

      hi, bob,

      Diden’t i hear that if deuterium, was eliminated, so was the gamma. is that true,

      and wasn’t deuterium used in the first cat,

      • Bob Greenyer

        We have posted on that on our facebook page and we have an experiment to specifically test this hypothesis. It will be in our full list of experiments soon on the main site which are intended to address many outstanding questions.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Mr. Moho

    It’s been suggested that the powder charge might be a diversion by Rossi and that active LENR element is the coil resistor itself, as with Celani wires or also Swartz NANOR wires to some extent. If this is true, it might explain why isotopic changes in the powder don’t seem to make any sense and why special electric control seems to be necessary, or how the reactor surface seems to be close to the nickel melting point (which would mean its insides would be much hotter and possibly significantly beyond such temperature). However, it would also imply that any replication attempt based on powder sample analyses would be a waste of time and money.

    Have you considered this scenario and how it would affect the replication process?

    • Mr. Moho

      What for example if instead of nickel or similar resistor wire a tungsten-based wire was used instead? I’m aware some LENR experiments have been performed on tungsten, which has a melting temperature of 3422 °C in unalloyed form. I wonder if the professors have been privately invited to not increase temperatures too much for this reason: it would have become clear that special materials for the reactor’s internals have actually been used.

      Bottom line: the more I think about it, the more I feel it will be increasingly unlikely that immediately useful information can be dug out of the latest E-Cat third party report.

  • Bob Greenyer

    So the MFMP has posted its first detailed hash or what the reactor might look like

    Comment soon, because if we can raise the funds, we are gonna start building these in 6 days.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Mr. Moho

      So you are going for the 120 deg 3-phase coil configuration, that’s assuming that the powder is the active element and that no weird tricks have been used. I seem to understand that in this way one can induce a rotating field as in an induction motor various dynamic effects.

      I have a weird question, something I’ve been wondering for a while for this reactor configuration: would applying a rotating EM field be able to make micro particles actually move/spin around inside the containing tube?

      Would you (your team) be willing to test this on a clear/transparent test tube and show it on video? It should prove to be an interesting and inexpensive (provided one has the right materials and equipment) experiment on its own and open up for interesting speculations if successful. No loading or vacuum or pre- treating needed, just magnetic micropowder, a tube, a 3-coil and a controllable AC input power source.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I think you would have to arrange the three coils in a 120º scheme in order to generate a rotating field:

        http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drehstrommaschine#mediaviewer/File:Dreispulenschaltung.svg

        But the idea is interesting – in case that EM fields are relevant, one could perhaps improve the reactor in this way.

        • Mr. Moho

          Yes, I actually meant using the 120º scheme, which is what the MFMP testing team is going to do anyway.

  • Bob Greenyer

    So the MFMP has posted its first detailed hash or what the reactor might look like

    Comment soon, because if we can raise the funds, we are gonna start building these in 6 days.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Mr. Moho

    Rossi has, to say the least, proved to not be entirely reliable when it comes to reactor details. Him being misleading does not imply that the professors involved with the experiment were too, given that they haven’t had the chance to fully disassemble the reactor and analyze it in detail.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our last two Facebook posts, we propose a number of experiments to address the major questions in the report.

    Alan may also have discovered why a 10kW CCI FUSION 3 phase controller was chosen when only 900W was seemingly needed.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest Facebook post, we lay out the argument for what might be the catalyst.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Sanjeev

      Full text with more comments at vortex (for non-fb users like me).
      http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg99150.html

      There were also rumors of K being used as K2CO3.

    • Obvious

      Has any historic wet cell using lithium in the electrolyte ever been tested for Li (or other)isotope changes? It seems to me that this should be easier to do, rather than looking for He, since the Li won’t be potentially contaminated by the atmospheric concentrations, nor diffuse from the equipment. If lithium isotope ratios change as part of an excess heat reaction, then this should be a permanent record of a positive excess heat event.

      • Bob Greenyer

        That is a good point, well made.

        We will be running the high pressure Mizuno experiment with lithium salts (this ha been planned for a long time) and are looking to do another wet cell experiment… Both in France – We will need another provider for studying Li isotope changes though as Earthtechs equipment can’t do this

        • Obvious

          I wonder if either Mr. Storms or McKubre has some well-used electrolyte on hand to test.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We could put that question to them.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest Facebook post, we lay out the argument for what might be the catalyst.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Sanjeev

      Full text with more comments at vortex (for non-fb users like me).
      http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg99150.html

      There were also rumors of K being used as K2CO3.

    • Obvious

      Has any historic wet cell using lithium in the electrolyte ever been tested for Li (or other)isotope changes? It seems to me that this should be easier to do, rather than looking for He, since the Li won’t be potentially contaminated by the atmospheric concentrations, nor diffuse from the equipment. If lithium isotope ratios change as part of an excess heat reaction, then this should be a permanent record of a positive excess heat event.

      • Bob Greenyer

        That is a good point, well made.

        We will be running the high pressure Mizuno experiment with lithium salts (this ha been planned for a long time) and are looking to do another wet cell experiment… Both in France – We will need another provider for studying Li isotope changes though as Earthtechs equipment can’t do this

        • Obvious

          I wonder if either Mr. Storms or McKubre has some well-used electrolyte on hand to test.

          • Bob Greenyer

            We could put that question to them.

  • Sanjeev
  • Fortyniner

    Anyone care to speculate on this from Rossi? (full text posted by Timycelyn on the Pomp thread):

    Andrea Rossi
    October 20th, 2014 at 11:36 AM
    “The coils of the reactor are made with a proprietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it.” (1 typo corrected)

    • Freethinker

      Well, to me it means that there is an Inconel wire, spiked with some element. It may be from what is offered from the “shelf” or it may have been produced as per Rossi’s specification. What it does to , e.g. melting point, resistivity coefficient as function of temperature, etc etc. Adding on the Inconel wire is another coil of a completely unknown alloy. Somehow the are bot a part of a whole.

      Maybe the cable is a braided and isolated cable, where the braid is the doped Inconel and the cable, the current carrier, is the proprietary alloy?

      I guess this does not make anyone the wiser….

      • Fortyniner

        The clues are sparse, making speculation difficult – but what it does tell us is that the ‘heater’ coils are definitely much more complex than passive resistance windings. As well as producing heat, they may participate in electromagnetic and chemonuclear/nucleonic interactions, and according to Rossi, also directly interact in some way with the ‘charge’, presumably beyond the obvious thermal input.

        I suspect these interactions may be closely tied to the anomalous magnetic phenomena Rossi and DGT have reported, and despite AR’s protestations about conformity with the Standard Model, IMO this almost certainly involves entirely new physics..

        I hope that MFMP’s coming experiments show some effect, but without further information about these compound windings I feel that an essential component of Rossi’s gadgets may be missing, the absence of which could result in zero or massively reduced effect.

  • Anyone care to speculate on this from Rossi? (full text posted by Timycelyn on the Pomp thread):

    Andrea Rossi
    October 20th, 2014 at 11:36 AM
    “The coils of the reactor are made with a proprietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it.” (1 typo corrected)

    • Freethinker

      Well, to me it means that there is an Inconel wire, spiked with some element. It may be from what is offered from the “shelf” or it may have been produced as per Rossi’s specification. What it does to , e.g. melting point, resistivity coefficient as function of temperature, etc etc. Adding on the Inconel wire is another coil of a completely unknown alloy. Somehow the are bot a part of a whole.

      Maybe the cable is a braided and isolated cable, where the braid is the doped Inconel and the cable, the current carrier, is the proprietary alloy?

      I guess this does not make anyone the wiser….

      • The clues are sparse, making speculation difficult – but what it does tell us is that the ‘heater’ coils are definitely much more complex than passive resistance windings. As well as producing heat, they may participate in electromagnetic and chemonuclear/nucleonic interactions, and according to Rossi (before he amended the comment), also directly interact with the ‘charge’, presumably in some way that is beyond the obvious thermal input (as a ferromagnetic core interacting with field windings perhaps?).

        I suspect that these interactions may be closely tied to the anomalous magnetic phenomena Rossi and DGT have reported, and despite AR’s protestations about conformity with the Standard Model, IMO this almost certainly involves new physics.

        I’m not one who is normally skeptical about the various demos and tests (although like others I have been openly dubious of some aspects of these). However, in the case of the Lugarno tests, it seems that there may be a great deal more to the latest incarnation of the e-cat than just a heater and the ‘charge’ that has been so closely examined and discussed. If the complex coils, or indeed any other undisclosed parts of the reactor, contributed (perhaps considerably) to the overall output, then this test was effectively ‘black box’, and examination of the charge could only at best reveal a small, incomplete part of the processes involved.

        As Mr Moho suggested earlier, it is even possible that the charge was a ‘red herring’ and that the heat producing reactions took place elsewhere in the reactor, but only at temperatures well above those used in the dummy run. We should not lose sight of the fact that that potentially, trillions of dollars in future profits are involved here, and despite the best intentions of Rossi, Darden and Vaughn, other interests further up the food chain may in fact be controlling the show to a considerable extent.

        I hope that MFMP’s coming experiments show some effect, but without further information about these compound windings it seem likely that an essential component of Rossi’s gadgets may be missing, the absence of which in attempted replications could result in zero or massively reduced effect.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In line with our very own Alan analysis of “the PCE830 photo”, Sanjeev has put forward a great start point for developing the controller circuit. Please contribute you ideas

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    In line with our very own Alan analysis of “the PCE830 photo”, Sanjeev has put forward a great start point for developing the controller circuit. Please contribute you ideas

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    In the latest Facebook post, we ask the question:

    Why did they avoid heating the dummy to the same temperature as the active reactor?

    and highlight what might be a critical part of the reactors core with good justification

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Can you help us make a BOM?

    We are starting to put together a Bill of Materials (BOM) and wondered if you could help!

    Here is the BOM so far

    http://bit.ly/1tNvEm8

    A tip for what else might be needed is here

    http://bit.ly/1weo4kH

    We’ll also need some angle iron and bolts for a support frame and some radiation detectors etc. post what you think we need, where to get it from and cost.

    • Mr. Moho

      It’s going to be a rather expensive bill if you plan to purchase the same instrumentation used for measurements taken for the latest E-Cat report.

      • Bob Greenyer

        We’ll start by getting 1 PCE 830 and answering Phase related questions.

        Only after seeing a significant effect in an experiment might it become necessary to get the rest – however, if a very large effect is seen, then it will be unnecessary

        We will not need to have all of the equipment at each site.

        Once a dummy reactor is characterised, then no real need to have everything everywhere.

        • Mr. Moho

          I don’t know the details since it’s way beyond my expertise, but I’m aware there have been (and still are ongoing) heated discussions by electrical measurements experts on the suitability of PCE830 power meters as used by the E-Cat testers. Some of those experts are from the GSVIT group which you should already know as they sort of validated some of Celani’s work in the past, maybe it could be an idea to contact them for ideas and suggestions about this.

          • one solution to shut off some critics is :
            – a classical electric counter
            – 1/1 AC transformer
            – a third party UPS
            – filters

  • Bob Greenyer

    Can you help us make a BOM?

    We are starting to put together a Bill of Materials (BOM) and wondered if you could help!

    Here is the BOM so far

    http://bit.ly/1tNvEm8

    A tip for what else might be needed is here

    http://bit.ly/1weo4kH

    We’ll also need some angle iron and bolts for a support frame and some radiation detectors etc. post what you think we need, where to get it from and cost.

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Has begun…

    One week ago, the MFMP asked the question “So you want to see a replication?”, well, there seems to be demand for one (thanks for all the well-wishers and donations) however, we obviously cannot do a “replication” per se because we are not privy to all the facts…

    What we can do first is empirically answer criticisms of the report and attempt to use our experience to build something for the people – because everyone of us and our dogs should have one!

    We think we can build initial test reactors much cheaper than the price that was ball parked to us yesterday and that might enable a much wider group to participate in parameter sweeping.

    The team is working hard on the control simulations at the moment and we are starting to model a practical test reactor in 3D – you might even be able to print it on a home 3D printer! Well, in plastic – but that could be made into a mould.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Has begun…

    One week ago, the MFMP asked the question “So you want to see a replication?”, well, there seems to be demand for one (thanks for all the well-wishers and donations) however, we obviously cannot do a “replication” per se because we are not privy to all the facts…

    What we can do first is empirically answer criticisms of the report and attempt to use our experience to build something for the people – because everyone of us and our dogs should have one!

    We think we can build initial test reactors much cheaper than the price that was ball parked to us yesterday and that might enable a much wider group to participate in parameter sweeping.

    The team is working hard on the control simulations at the moment and we are starting to model a practical test reactor in 3D – you might even be able to print it on a home 3D printer! Well, in plastic – but that could be made into a mould.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • catman

    How about updating quatumheat.org with []=Project Dog Bone=[] ?

    Increased awareness = Increased donations…

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes Catman, That is the intention, we have so much to publish, FB is quick for bite-size chunks – but we’ll have a dedicated page on the main site too.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Yes Catman, That is the intention, we have so much to publish, FB is quick for bite-size chunks – but we’ll have a dedicated page on the main site too.

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest FB post, we report on one of our []=Project Dog Bone=[] guiding documents

    It was first presented at the 80th Annual Meeting of the American Ceramic Society in Detroit, Michigan on May 9. 1978 . The research was supported by the Magnetic Fusion Energy Division of the U.S. Department of Energy, under Contract No. EY-76-S-05-4721.

    It concludes that High density sintered alumina is suitable as a hydrogen permeation barrier over a wide range of pressures.

    The consideration of use of Alumina in magnetically driven, hydrogen based fusion, is not new.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Andreas Moraitis

      This is consistent with the following information:

      March 5th, 2014

      Q: “Do you notice a decrease in Hydrogen pressure after long eCat operations (days or months)?”

      AR: “Not within the term of 6 months.”

      I would not have expected that alumina could be that tight. Maybe there is an additional protective layer, or some process inside the reactor by which the pores are blocked up.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I have also been wondering how they manage to seal the caps and the wire inlets. One possibility is that they add a sealant to the powder that evaporates as soon as the reactor is heated up. Perhaps this could even explain that some elements which were initially present are missing in the ash.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Firstly, if you go to our BOM – we specify high density sintered alumina core elements from Coorstek in line with this ancient report.

          Secondly, you will be able to see from the 3D model how simple it all is.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I’m looking forward to seeing it. I only thought of the decrease of hydrogen pressure that you have observed in your early experiments.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The Li, Ni and Zr (as wire) would regulate the pressure of H2 across pressure changes – this will need a bit of iterative work to get right. Remember we only need VERY small amounts of H2 and there is no need for initial attempts to run for a month. Let us see when we get into practical builds.

          • What do you think when the first tests can start?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well, it is probably better to measure twice and cut once. And since our thinking time is unpaid – it is far better to work with the crowd to resolve problems before we start committing funds.

            We need to get prices for winding the wires and other equipment also.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            The Powder Cells are apparently unemployed at the moment. How about a run with Ni-LiAlH4?

  • Bob Greenyer

    In our latest FB post, we report on one of our []=Project Dog Bone=[] guiding documents

    It was first presented at the 80th Annual Meeting of the American Ceramic Society in Detroit, Michigan on May 9. 1978 . The research was supported by the Magnetic Fusion Energy Division of the U.S. Department of Energy, under Contract No. EY-76-S-05-4721.

    It concludes that High density sintered alumina is suitable as a hydrogen permeation barrier over a wide range of pressures.

    The consideration of use of Alumina in magnetically driven, hydrogen based fusion, is not new.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Andreas Moraitis

      This is consistent with the following information:

      March 5th, 2014

      Q: “Do you notice a decrease in Hydrogen pressure after long eCat operations (days or months)?”

      AR: “Not within the term of 6 months.”

      I would not have expected that alumina could be that tight. Maybe there is an additional protective layer, or some process inside the reactor by which the pores are blocked up.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I have also been wondering how they manage to seal the caps and the wire inlets. One possibility is that they add a sealant to the powder that evaporates as soon as the reactor is heated up. Perhaps this could even explain that some elements which were initially present are missing in the ash.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Firstly, if you go to our BOM – we specify high density sintered alumina core elements from Coorstek in line with this ancient report.

          Secondly, you will be able to see from the 3D model how simple it all is.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I’m looking forward to seeing it. I only thought of the decrease of hydrogen pressure that you have observed in your early experiments.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The Li, Ni and Zr (as wire) would regulate the pressure of H2 across pressure changes – this will need a bit of iterative work to get right. Remember we only need VERY small amounts of H2 and there is no need for initial attempts to run for a month. Let us see when we get into practical builds.

          • What do you think when the first tests can start?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well, it is probably better to measure twice and cut once. And since our thinking time is unpaid – it is far better to work with the crowd to resolve problems before we start committing funds.

            We need to get prices for winding the wires and other equipment also.

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Ingredients for a reactor core?

    1. AL995 (or similar) – High grade Alumina long capped ceramic tube for main reactor vessel from here

    http://www.morgantechnicalceramics.com/materials/alumina-al203/98-alumina

    2. AL995 (or similar) – High grade Alumina short capped ceramic tube with flange for thermo-well (possibly with Moly-Manganese brazing agent pre-applied) from here

    http://www.morgantechnicalceramics.com/materials/alumina-al203/98-alumina

    discussion on brazing here

    http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=1079

    http://www.microcertec.com/fiche-produits-en-52-ceramic-to-metal-brazed-assemblies.html

    Alternative (if getter results in below atmospheric pressure – better)

    http://www.geocorpinc.com/products/protection-tubes/

    3. if not brazing then a high temperature alumina based adhesive cement like this

    http://www.fortafix.com/2-part-chemical-sets.html

    er… that’s it. Enjoy the video!

    http://youtu.be/uaHq8BIS7Vs

  • Guest

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Thanks to a Dr. Bob, of Dr. Bob’s Blog for the inspiration for the name.

    Ingredients to make a reactor core?

    1. AL995 (or similar) – High grade Alumina long capped ceramic tube for main reactor vessel from here

    http://www.morgantechnicalceramics.com/materials/alumina-al203/98-alumina

    2. AL995 (or similar) – High grade Alumina short capped ceramic tube with flange for thermo-well (possibly with Moly-Manganese brazing agent pre-applied) from here

    http://www.morgantechnicalceramics.com/materials/alumina-al203/98-alumina

    discussion on brazing here

    http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=1079

    http://www.microcertec.com/fiche-produits-en-52-ceramic-to-metal-brazed-assemblies.html

    Alternative (if getter results in below atmospheric pressure – better)

    http://www.geocorpinc.com/products/protection-tubes/

    3. if not brazing then a high temperature alumina based adhesive cement like this

    http://www.fortafix.com/2-part-chemical-sets.html

    er… that’s it. Enjoy the video!

    http://youtu.be/uaHq8BIS7Vs

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    The blood vessels are in

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Mr. Moho

      The thermal image on report page 15 shows a different winding pattern.
      Here is an enhanced version of that image:

      http://i.imgur.com/kOJKhDf.png

      Shouldn’t this be worth of analysis?

      • Bob Greenyer

        The initial reactor winding plan is based off the various photos projection mapped onto a scale model and guided by the “shadows/glows”.

        The 3D printable mould I envisage for casting will have separate end plates enabling different wire geometry to be explored without changes to the main mould. The end pieces will be able to be printed on a domestic 3D printer, or if people do not have one – they can get it printed locally using 3Dhubs.com.

        Net result is rapid iterations will be possible.

      • LuFong

        I agree. I noticed this “banding” as well in the report and it is even more pronounced in this photo. This seems to run counter to the other photographs (density and direction) of the hot E-Cat and it’s shadows. Will be interesting to see if this shows up in the replication.

        • Bob Greenyer

          It might be an artefact of the sensor and and/or high level of jpeg compression combined with over-zealous application of colour tools in PShop or something similar

          • Mr. Moho

            There’s a similar thing showing in the first third party report and to me it’s not consistent with a sensor artifact but rather something real. Have a close look at this, from page 21 of the one on Arxiv:

            http://i.imgur.com/DO2In5W.png
            (enhanced image)

            Even though the reactor tested was different (and also much thicker), there appears to be some sort of thick cabling inside making about 3 turns around a thin, cylindrical inner core.

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, its interesting. Only one spiral shows up in dummy, whereas (to me), a triple spiral shows up as shadows in active tube.
        This can mean that only phase was on during the dummy (to keep a low temperature).
        Anyway, these is not much info about the internal construction of the tube to conclude anything.

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    The blood vessels are in

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • LuFong

    This showed up in the comments of Mat Lewan’s blog but I’ve seen no comments about it thus far. Extremely important IMO.The author seems to have corrected the Joule heating calculation and recomputed the current based on current loads/resistances and came up with a COP of nearly 1:

    http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/interview-on-radio-show-free-energy-quest-tonight/#comment-3749 . (See the PDF first as the DOC is just the same thing).

    Another thing to check out with the replication.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes – testing this is top of the list.

    • Sanjeev

      Its not a new issue, the same which was raised before. May be he found it independently and presented it formally. Just as before we wait for the authors of the report to respond.

      • LuFong

        Yes, I realize that. The person that first brought this up was the one Rossi ridiculed and insulted, no? This write-up as you say formalizes and quantifies the effects of these possible errors. It’s also very interesting because it shows that if the data is interpreted in one way, the COP is less than 1. In other words the heat data doesn’t appear to be internally consistent and interpreted in another way does not support the conclusion of the report. Let’s hope the Professor’s don’t dismiss this like Rossi did.

    • Sanjeev

      There is some hint in the report2 and also in one of Rossi’s comments that he handled the loading and emptying of the fuel/ash himself to protect the IP. So I was wondering what did he actually do ?

      If the catalyst was in the form of a fine powder mixed with the fuel or a bound substance, its difficult to separate without doing a distillation or some other chemical process. The report does not say anywhere that such catalyst extraction was done. It does say that the fuel powder was inserted as is after doing a radiation check and after extraction a radiation check was done again and the ash was handed over for analysis as it is.

      So how did he take the catalyst back?

      May be he did not take it, it was there in the fuel. The last page of the report says “Besides the
      analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash.” Can any of these act as a catalyst ?

  • Bob Greenyer

    A potential way to mould the reactor is posted. I now need to get some more sleep!

    Really interested in your suggestions.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    A potential way to mould the reactor is posted. I now need to get some more sleep!

    Really interested in your suggestions.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Robert Ellefson

    I have concluded that the iron grain seen in the Lugano ash (particle 3, pages 43-44) is made from Electrical Steel, aka Silicon Steel, which is commonly used in laminated transformer cores because it has high permittivity. I describe the characteristics which lead me to conclude that it was produced from ordinary sheet stock with an abrasive grinding process at the end of this post:
    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg99351.html

    I suspect that use of a similar grain size and morphology could be an important factor in replication.

    • Bob Greenyer

      That is really useful info Robert, thank you

  • Bob Greenyer

    That is really useful info Robert, thank you

  • Bob Greenyer

    I had a moment of lucidity at the Heat Treatment Congress. See if it makes sense to you all.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyp14fnE1jQ

    NOTES:
    Apologies with audio it was my first time with keynote, I’ll try and re-record it at some point.

    On the “Hot Cat in housing” slide, in the right photo, there are only 4 electrical contacts coming out of the reactor and connected in pairs. There is a common ground between the 3 reactors and a single live wire per reactor, very different configuration to current design.

    On the conclusions, point two should read

    “No need to generate electricity, IH and Rossi can focus on improving the technology in a favourable industry”

    • clovis ray

      Hi, Bob
      I think you are right on the mark, it just sounds right , what a huge market there would be for that type reactor,

  • Facepalm

    Maby this is useful:

    http://stauniverse.en.alibaba.com/product/857390403-219114824/China_professional_supplier_STA_85_90_95_99_99_7_al2o3_porous_alumina_ceramic_tube.html

    Or this:

    “In a first step 100, hydrogen gas, H2, is made to flow over a
    hydrogen transfer catalyst 14 configured to cause the hydrogen gas to
    transition to ultra-dense hydrogen, H(-1). The hydrogen transfer
    catalyst may, for example, be a commercial so called styrene catalyst,
    i.e. a type of solid catalyst used in the chemical industry for
    producing styrene (for plastic production) from ethylene benzene. This
    type of catalyst is made from porous Fe-O material with several
    different additives, especially potassium (K) as so called promoter.
    However, it has been shown that other catalysts, such as Pt-catalysts or
    lr-catalysts can be used to convert hydrogen gas to ultra-dense
    hydrogen. A brief account of the current understanding of the mechanism
    behind the conversion from hydrogen gas to ultra-dense hydrogen will be
    provided further below under the heading “Theoretical discussion”.”

    http://www.google.com/patents/EP2680271A1?cl=en

  • Mr. Moho

    The latest photo by Vessela Nikolova shows that one of these was used as well (kudos to Cobraf people for finding this out). It’s located to the right of (behind) the red CCI Fusion power controller: http://www.altestore.com/mmsolar/others/Square_D_Safety_Switch.pdf

    It looks like they needed to be able to shut down things quickly and safely in case of emergency (?) This seems like a very specialized piece of equipment to me ie I don’t think it’s something that Rossi took out of the shelf just for showing off as others are speculating. I wonder if this could help understanding the electrical setup for the replication efforts.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks Mr. Moho

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have a PCE830 on the way and negotiated a tasty discount.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have a PCE830 on the way and negotiated a tasty discount.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We have just published the MFMP’s working consensus for the phase trigger angle and the resistance of the 3 heater coils.

    We have a challenge for you

    Is there anyone out there that can produce a ohms per meter calculator google sheet, for standard furnace resistance wires for various diameters?

    Essentially, the user would enter

    – diameter of core
    – diameter of wire
    – length of coil
    – number of turns per length

    and it would give the resistance for a range of standard furnace resistance wires like

    – Molybdenum
    – ML
    – Nickel Chrome
    – Iron-Chrome-Aluminum
    – KANTHAL SUPER electric heating elements up to 1900°C
    – SUPERTHAL heating modules up to 1550°C
    – ZIRCOTHAL high temperature heating systems up to 2000°C
    – KANTHAL and NIKROTHAL heating alloys up to 1425°C
    Whatever you can find!

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We have just published the MFMP’s working consensus for the phase trigger angle and the resistance of the 3 heater coils.

    We have a challenge for you

    Is there anyone out there that can produce a ohms per meter calculator google sheet, for standard furnace resistance wires for various diameters?

    Essentially, the user would enter

    – diameter of core
    – diameter of wire
    – length of coil
    – number of turns per length

    and it would give the resistance for a range of standard furnace resistance wires like

    – Molybdenum
    – ML
    – Nickel Chrome
    – Iron-Chrome-Aluminum
    – KANTHAL and NIKROTHAL heating alloys up to 1425°C
    Whatever you can find!

    Something like the one on this page

    http://www.metallab.net/kanthal.php

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Osmo Laarksonen has started to build a wire coil type/resistance calculator here:

    http://bit.ly/1t0CDB7

    If you have a gmail account and would like to collaborate on improving this, send an email requesting to do so to info@quantumheat.org

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Osmo Laarksonen has started to build a wire coil type/resistance calculator here:

    http://bit.ly/1t0CDB7

    If you have a gmail account and would like to collaborate on improving this, send an email requesting to do so to info@quantumheat.org

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We put forward a suggestion for rapid thermal screening of powder mixes using an off the shelf micro furnace that works up to 1700ºC and has in built thermocouple.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We put forward a suggestion for rapid thermal screening of powder mixes using an off the shelf micro furnace that works up to 1700ºC and has in built thermocouple.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Mr. Moho

    Just throwing a monkey wrench…

    Could it be that Rossi is making a special variation of a tubular solid oxide fuel cell (SOFC)? I think you will be able to see many similarities with his earlier-type Hot-Cats if you search this up on the Web.

    http://americanhistory.si.edu/fuelcells/images/sofc2.jpg
    http://fusionfroide.ch/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Rossis-HOT-CAT-reactor.jpg

  • Sanjeev

    There is some hint in the report2 and also in one of Rossi’s comments that he handled the loading and emptying of the fuel/ash himself to protect the IP. So I was wondering what did he actually do ?

    If the catalyst was in the form of a fine powder mixed with the fuel or a bound substance, its difficult to separate without doing a distillation or some other chemical process. The report does not say anywhere that such catalyst extraction was done. It does say that the fuel powder was inserted as is after doing a radiation check and after extraction a radiation check was done again and the ash was handed over for analysis as it is.

    So how did he take the catalyst back?

    May be he did not take it, it was there in the fuel. The last page of the report says “Besides the
    analyzed elements it has been found that the fuel also contains rather high concentrations of C, Ca, Cl, Fe, Mg, Mn and these are not found in the ash.” Can any of these act as a catalyst ?

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.eng.usf.edu/~volinsky/LiAlH4CatalyzedByNanoparticles.pdf

    Dehydrogenation Improvement of LiAlH4 Catalyzed by Fe2O3 and

    Co2O3 Nanoparticles

    This bit of info might be of interest to those who are replicating Rossi’s reactor.

    I just ran across this paper on hydrogen storage. Adding a bit of iron oxide to lithium aluminum hydride reduces the desorption temperature of the hydride. This might explain why iron and cobalt was found in the Rossi fuel charge.

    CONCLUSIONS

    In summary, the dehydrogenation properties of LiAlH4 doped
    with Fe2O3 and nanoparticles exhibit a dramatic
    improvement compared with that of as-received LiAlH4. The
    nonisothermal hydrogen desorption analysis reveals that the
    addition of increasing amounts of Fe2O3 and Co2O3 nanoparticles
    to LiAlH4 results in a progressive reduction of the onset
    temperature of LiAlH4. The onset temperature of LiAlH4 doped
    with 7 mol % Fe2O3 and Co2O3 have reduced by as much as 97
    and 93 °C, respectively, compared with the pristine LiAlH4.

    Between various Fe2O3- and Co2O3-doped samples, the 5 mol %
    oxide-doped samples are found to be the optimal materials with
    the highest released hydrogen capacity and substantially reduced
    activation energy for the LiAlH4 dehydrogenation. Isothermal
    volumetric measurements reveal that LiAlH4 + 5 mol % Fe2O3
    and LiAlH4 + 5 mol % Co2O3 samples can release about 7.1 and
    6.9 wt % hydrogen in 70 min at 120 °C, whereas the as-received
    LiAlH4 only releases about 0.3 wt % hydrogen for the same
    temperature and time. The DSC and Kissinger desorption
    surface catalyst and are reduced to Co3O4 during the ball-milling
    process, and then translate to CoO when heated to 250 °C.

    Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the finely dispersed
    Fe oxide, Li−Fe oxide, and Co oxide may contribute to
    dehydrogenation kinetics improvement and provide a synergetic
    catalytic effect by serving as active sites for nucleation and growth
    of the dehydrogenated products, resulting in the shortening of
    the diffusion distance of the reaction ions. Meanwhile, the
    reduction of high valence transition metals during heating may
    play an important role in improving the kinetic desorption of the
    doped samples. In summary, it is reasonable to conclude that
    Fe2O3 and Co2O3 nanoparticles are promising additives for
    remarkably improving the dehydrogenation performance of
    LiAlH4, and the Fe2O3kinetics analyses reveal that the apparent activation energies of
    as-received LiAlH4 are 94.8 and 172.3 kJ/mol, while the Ea of the
    5 mol % Fe2O3-doped sample declines to 54.2 and 86.4 kJ/mol,
    resulting in declined rates of 42.8 and 50.0%, respectively, for the
    first two decomposition reactions. Furthermore, FTIR, XRD,
    and XPS demonstrate that LiAlH4 reacts with Fe2O3 during ballmilling
    by local forming of Fe oxide species with a lower
    oxidation state and a mixed Li−Fe oxide. These finely dispersed
    dehydrogenated products would contribute to the dehydrogenation
    kinetics improvement and provide a synergetic catalytic
    effect for the remarkably improved dehydrogenation kinetics of
    nanoadditive is more efficient than the Co2O3 nanoadditive.

  • Axil Axil

    http://www.eng.usf.edu/~volinsky/LiAlH4CatalyzedByNanoparticles.pdf

    Dehydrogenation Improvement of LiAlH4 Catalyzed by Fe2O3 and

    Co2O3 Nanoparticles

    This bit of info might be of interest to those who are replicating Rossi’s reactor.

    I just ran across this paper on hydrogen storage. Adding a bit of iron oxide to lithium aluminum hydride reduces the desorption temperature of the hydride. This might explain why iron and cobalt was found in the Rossi fuel charge.

    CONCLUSIONS

    In summary, the dehydrogenation properties of LiAlH4 doped
    with Fe2O3 and nanoparticles exhibit a dramatic
    improvement compared with that of as-received LiAlH4. The
    nonisothermal hydrogen desorption analysis reveals that the
    addition of increasing amounts of Fe2O3 and Co2O3 nanoparticles
    to LiAlH4 results in a progressive reduction of the onset
    temperature of LiAlH4. The onset temperature of LiAlH4 doped
    with 7 mol % Fe2O3 and Co2O3 have reduced by as much as 97
    and 93 °C, respectively, compared with the pristine LiAlH4.

    Between various Fe2O3- and Co2O3-doped samples, the 5 mol %
    oxide-doped samples are found to be the optimal materials with
    the highest released hydrogen capacity and substantially reduced
    activation energy for the LiAlH4 dehydrogenation. Isothermal
    volumetric measurements reveal that LiAlH4 + 5 mol % Fe2O3
    and LiAlH4 + 5 mol % Co2O3 samples can release about 7.1 and
    6.9 wt % hydrogen in 70 min at 120 °C, whereas the as-received
    LiAlH4 only releases about 0.3 wt % hydrogen for the same
    temperature and time. The DSC and Kissinger desorption
    surface catalyst and are reduced to Co3O4 during the ball-milling
    process, and then translate to CoO when heated to 250 °C.

    Therefore, it is reasonable to conclude that the finely dispersed
    Fe oxide, Li−Fe oxide, and Co oxide may contribute to
    dehydrogenation kinetics improvement and provide a synergetic
    catalytic effect by serving as active sites for nucleation and growth
    of the dehydrogenated products, resulting in the shortening of
    the diffusion distance of the reaction ions. Meanwhile, the
    reduction of high valence transition metals during heating may
    play an important role in improving the kinetic desorption of the
    doped samples. In summary, it is reasonable to conclude that
    Fe2O3 and Co2O3 nanoparticles are promising additives for
    remarkably improving the dehydrogenation performance of
    LiAlH4, and the Fe2O3kinetics analyses reveal that the apparent activation energies of
    as-received LiAlH4 are 94.8 and 172.3 kJ/mol, while the Ea of the
    5 mol % Fe2O3-doped sample declines to 54.2 and 86.4 kJ/mol,
    resulting in declined rates of 42.8 and 50.0%, respectively, for the
    first two decomposition reactions. Furthermore, FTIR, XRD,
    and XPS demonstrate that LiAlH4 reacts with Fe2O3 during ballmilling
    by local forming of Fe oxide species with a lower
    oxidation state and a mixed Li−Fe oxide. These finely dispersed
    dehydrogenated products would contribute to the dehydrogenation
    kinetics improvement and provide a synergetic catalytic
    effect for the remarkably improved dehydrogenation kinetics of
    nanoadditive is more efficient than the Co2O3 nanoadditive.

    • Robert Ellefson

      Although some aspects of this reaction may be occurring, I suspect that the large crystal sizes for both the iron and lithium aluminum hydrate suggest that this fuel does not have sufficiently dispersed nano-scale reactants, which this article discusses as a distinguishing feature. Instead, I suspect that the iron is a large grain of fractured electrical steel which is used in bulk form to modulate the induced EMF stimulation into locally-enhanced gradients and spectral distributions, for SPP pumping. That is certainly how it appears in the fuel photograph, (particle 3, pages 43-44) at about 150×200 microns in size, with no apparent abrasions from ball milling or similar processes.

      The LiAlH4 also appears to be (particle 2, pages 43-44) a solid grain of 50×100 microns, and shows yield fractures and signs of being cut from a compressed form, which I believe is the tablet version of LiAlH4, rather than the powdered version. The tablet form is known to be much more stable in air than the powder. Sigma-Aldrich carries the tablets as product #323403. I suspect that 1-5 micron carbonyl-process nickel grains were tumbled with partially crushed or cut tablet grains, such as particle 2 shows, to prep for reactor startup. Ultrasonic stimulation of the nickel particles is known to promote clustering as well, and I suspect this may be a part of the fuel preparation process also.

      I suspect that Rochelle Salt (aka Potassium Sodium Tartrate) is being used as to bind the AlH4 ligands during startup, which may be a source of some of the potassium and sodium observed. The unlabeled particles that appear in Figure 3a on page 44, just below and touching the label box for particle 1, both exhibit a similar morphology that is distinct from that of particles 1, 2 and 3. I suspect these particles could be Rochelle Salt.

      As Bob Higgins pointed out on vortel-l, the role of other chemical getters, such as used in vacuum tube manufacturing and other controlled-atmosphere reactions, seems likely, and could be a source for other fuel elements not yet attributed to specific reactants.

    • Eyedoc

      Axil ( or anyone else ) …Would you say that the use of LiBH4 would
      work as the H source instead of the LiAlH4 ? It may be more stable and
      available ? Thanks for any thoughts

  • Mr. Moho

    A collection of observations about the last released E-Cat photo on Nikolova’s blog, which might be useful for replications:
    http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/photo-andrea-rossi-laboratory-x-ray/

  • Bob Greenyer

    Could we drive our Phase 1 experiments with something this cheap?

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    http://ebay.eu/1ur5Iej

    It comes with a K, but can take other type TCs also, and replace the SSR with one like this.

    http://ebay.eu/1ur5AeU

    Some info on another product.

    http://bit.ly/14jARHd

  • Bob Greenyer

    Could we drive our Phase 1 experiments with something this cheap?

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    http://ebay.eu/1ur5Iej

    It comes with a K, but can take other type TCs also, and replace the SSR with one like this.

    http://ebay.eu/1ur5AeU

    Some info on another product.

    http://bit.ly/14jARHd

  • Sanjeev

    Some hints were dropped by Rossi today.

    ——–
    Neil Taylor
    November 13th, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Dear Doctor Rossi.
    Does your experimental “Gas Cat” also require small electrical input for controllability, etc?
    Congratulations for the many international awakenings on your wonderful e-cat discoveries…
    Neil Taylor,
    Long Time Follower

    Andrea Rossi
    November 13th, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Neil Taylor:
    Yes, it does.
    Thank you for your kind attention.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    ———-

    This one about the OL screenshot:

    ———–

    Andrea Rossi
    November 13th, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Silvio Caggia:
    The photo #5 of the Report of the Independent Third Party is very
    important and has been made on purpose from the Professors. They
    explained to me that the photo has been taken during the set up of the
    measurement stuff and they were controlling that the PCE830 was surely
    able to read perfectly the waves also in extreme conditions: for this
    reason , as surely have understood the experts and the reviewers to whom
    the Professors have given the report before the publication, the photo
    shows the wave also when the system has been put in overload; you can
    understand it from the acronym “OL” that you can read on the display,
    while the wave is perfectly described by the instrument.
    Thank you for the intelligent question.

  • Sanjeev

    Some hints were dropped by Rossi today.

    ——–
    Neil Taylor
    November 13th, 2014 at 4:10 PM

    Dear Doctor Rossi.
    Does your experimental “Gas Cat” also require small electrical input for controllability, etc?
    Congratulations for the many international awakenings on your wonderful e-cat discoveries…
    Neil Taylor,
    Long Time Follower

    Andrea Rossi
    November 13th, 2014 at 4:30 PM

    Neil Taylor:
    Yes, it does.
    Thank you for your kind attention.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    ———-

    This one about the OL screenshot:

    ———–

    Andrea Rossi
    November 13th, 2014 at 1:59 PM

    Silvio Caggia:
    The photo #5 of the Report of the Independent Third Party is very
    important and has been made on purpose from the Professors. They
    explained to me that the photo has been taken during the set up of the
    measurement stuff and they were controlling that the PCE830 was surely
    able to read perfectly the waves also in extreme conditions: for this
    reason , as surely have understood the experts and the reviewers to whom
    the Professors have given the report before the publication, the photo
    shows the wave also when the system has been put in overload; you can
    understand it from the acronym “OL” that you can read on the display,
    while the wave is perfectly described by the instrument.
    Thank you for the intelligent question.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP tests first “dummy LENR Core”

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    As part of the thermal assessment first phase in Project Dog Bone, MFMP team member Alan Goldwater has created a 200mm long 4mm inner diameter Kanthal wire coil on an alumina rod – which will form the fake core for our later tests and has done a test today.

    You can see the results here

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    and comment here

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Thank you very much, at last we are leaving the ‘dark’ age!
      One question: The coil appears to be almost white, whereas a 1119 C blackbody should look like this:

      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1119+degrees+C+perceived+color

      Is the color in the photo just an effect of the camera?

      • Bob Greenyer

        And that is exactly what I was trying to draw peoples attention to in the rather miss-informed criticisms of Lugano report photos.

        It totally depends on the camera, the lense, the type of sensor, the metering, aperture, exposure and the environment.

        In this case, the room lights were turned off.

      • Mr. Moho

        Steel isn’t a perfect blackbody. This chart seems to be more consistent with the video and my personal experience with glowing hot metal:
        http://www.hearth.com/talk/attachments/metal-color-temp-chart-png.100306/

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Judging from the bright spots in the video, the temperature seems quite nonuniform. Do you see any damage on the wire at those spots? Perhaps you could ask the manufacturer’s opinion if such behaviour is normal for their wire.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The video was from the first heat up test when the wire was very close wound. This is Alans’ comments from that first test.

        “Core heater coil first calibration run:

        During the test it was obvious that sections of the coil had shorted together and were visibly cooler than the rest. After cool-down those regions were still shiny while the rest of the surface was coated with a grey oxide layer. The resistance measured 4.1 ohms after the test. The shiny bits were then stretched, and I could hear and feel the inter-coil adhesion releasing. The coil then measured 6.5 ohms.

        Final power based on the post-test measured resistance is 610 watts at 50 volts.”

        He then proposed this

        “My thoughts going forward;
        1) the wire needs to be stretched a bit before heating, to prevent inter-turn shorting
        2) the core temperature will reach safe limit far before the target power is applied
        3) The wire will oxidize rapidly even at 1000 C.”

        And the images and chart are from the second test

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP tests first “dummy LENR Core”

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    As part of the thermal assessment first phase in Project Dog Bone, MFMP team member Alan Goldwater has created a 200mm long 4mm inner diameter Kanthal wire coil on an alumina rod – which will form the fake core for our later tests and has done a test today.

    You can see the results here

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    and comment here

    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb

    Here is a video that Alan did of the previous heat up attempt.

    http://youtu.be/Qq4cwcpikQ4

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Thank you very much, at last we are leaving the ‘dark’ age!
      One question: The coil appears to be almost white, whereas a 1119 C blackbody should look like this:

      http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1119+degrees+C+perceived+color

      Is the color in the photo just an effect of the camera?

      • Bob Greenyer

        And that is exactly what I was trying to draw peoples attention to in the rather miss-informed criticisms of Lugano report photos.

        It totally depends on the camera, the lense, the type of sensor, the metering, aperture, exposure and the environment. It also depends on the emissivity of the material.

        In this case, the room lights were turned off.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Judging from the bright spots in the video, the temperature seems quite nonuniform. Do you see any damage on the wire at those spots? Perhaps you could ask the manufacturer’s opinion if such behaviour is normal for their wire.

      • Bob Greenyer

        The video was from the first heat up test when the wire was very close wound. This is Alans’ comments from that first test.

        “Core heater coil first calibration run:

        During the test it was obvious that sections of the coil had shorted together and were visibly cooler than the rest. After cool-down those regions were still shiny while the rest of the surface was coated with a grey oxide layer. The resistance measured 4.1 ohms after the test. The shiny bits were then stretched, and I could hear and feel the inter-coil adhesion releasing. The coil then measured 6.5 ohms.

        Final power based on the post-test measured resistance is 610 watts at 50 volts.”

        He then proposed this

        “My thoughts going forward;
        1) the wire needs to be stretched a bit before heating, to prevent inter-turn shorting
        2) the core temperature will reach safe limit far before the target power is applied
        3) The wire will oxidize rapidly even at 1000 C.”

        And the images and chart are from the second test

  • Bob Greenyer

    The first technical ceramics have arrived!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    The first technical ceramics have arrived!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Answers to the other big questions…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Other than the isotopic shifts and the thermal assessment, I might have answered

    – the type of resistor that can get to 1400ºC and stay there in free air

    – the type of resistor that would easily have a negative resistance temperature coefficient of 3 up to 900ºC and barely rise from between 1200 and 1400ºC

    – the reason why you would need careful warm up

    – the reason for “doping” comment

    – the look and shape of the reactor.

    All on latest Facebook comment

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Answers to the other big questions…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Other than the isotopic shifts and the thermal assessment, I might have answered

    – the type of resistor that can get to 1400ºC and stay there in free air

    – the type of resistor that would easily have a negative resistance temperature coefficient of 3 up to 900ºC and barely rise from between 1200 and 1400ºC

    – the reason why you would need careful warm up

    – the reason for “doping” comment

    – the look and shape of the reactor.

    All on latest Facebook comment

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Here are some alternative, partly very conservative calculations of the average COP (according to the data in table 7, p. 22 of TPR2):

    Parameters – formula – COP

    All parameters: (rad+conv+rods)/(cons-jh) = 3.51
    Without joule heating: (rad+conv+rods)/(cons) = 3.35
    Without rods: (rad+conv)/(cons-jh) = 3.1
    Without convection and rods: rad/(cons-jh) = 2.6
    Without convection, rods and joule heating: rad/cons = 2.48

    rad = reactor output by radiation
    conv = reactor output by convection
    rods = output via rods
    cons = reactor input as measured at position C1
    jh = joule heating in the wires

    Even the most conservative method gives a COP of almost 2.5. Since none of the skipped parameters can be lower than zero, it might be enough to determine the ratio between radiative output and electric input in the course of the replication. This would facilitate the procedure significantly.

    • Sanjeev

      It was a bad decision to not use the ON-OFF method. It would have increased the COP many times and would have left no room for objections such as inverted clamps. The reactor would have shown heat output in absence of any power (SSM), which puts to rest all objections/doubts/accusations regarding the input power measurement.

      At least they should have repeated the test in on-off mode for one more day, just to see how it performs. They should have recorded the initial heating up and heat after death data too. This can clearly show the “anomalous” behavior as distinct from that of simple resistive heating.

      Another thing, if IH did use SiC spiral element for heating, then the authors have made a wrong assumption regarding the shadows. Perhaps someone who is in contact with them can inform them. They may want to consult IH and correct it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Sanjeev

        I linked in another thread to a study of IR emission from SiC – of course, that is more standard SiC – but have no time to correlate it to Alumina.

        http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/59/jresv59n6p405_A1b.pdf

        • Sanjeev

          Thanks for the link Bob.
          Any conclusions from this ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – once we have studied Alumina – we might be able to cross-reference – for now it is just another variable in the variable soup – but it is empirically derived data!

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Maybe the use of SSM would have revealed too much of Rossi’s IP. One option which has already been mentioned is that the coils are short-circuited in this mode, generating heat by currents that are caused by magnetic fields which are produced in the core. Naturally, the PCM-830 would register such currents. Admittedly, this hypothesis is fairly speculative and could be completely wrong. But the assumption that the reactor itself generates electric energy could also explain the drop of the apparent resistance in the standard mode.

        • Sanjeev

          Thats an interesting theory, but if the fuel is producing these magnetic fields, large enough to cause heavy currents in small length of wire and enough to maintain temperatures at 1000C, then its a bigger feat than LENR itself.
          The fields should cause currents in ON part also and so the PCE will register a very unusual waveform. I’m sure the testers would have noticed.
          We have a similar claim by DGT, but I guess its still in “doubtful” area.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Andreas,

      In the industrial heater market – vendors tout energy savings of 5% as being worth being their products for!

      The most awkward thing about the COP being around 3 is that it is not incontrovertible and therefore requires more analysis.

      It would help if more data was released.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I’m not at all complaining about the COP. What I have tried to say is that one could go without the complicated math that has been used by the testers, provided that the radiative output is clearly higher than the electric input. Skipping the other parameters would not imply any risk to overestimate the reactor’s performance.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Ahhh – got you… this should feed nicely into our reactor analogue verification of the Lugano thermal assessment techniques.

    • US_Citizen71

      In truth the setup should be evaluated as a heating device like a space heater. To do that all heating values including the power dissipated by the control box should be added together and then divided by the power in from the mains to find the efficiency of the heater. You likely drop below 300% but it will definitely outperform the oil filled radiant heater I have in my living room.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Here are some alternative, partly very conservative calculations of the average COP (according to the data in table 7, p. 22 of TPR2):

    Parameters – formula – COP

    All parameters: (rad+conv+rods)/(cons-jh) = 3.51
    Without joule heating: (rad+conv+rods)/(cons) = 3.35
    Without rods: (rad+conv)/(cons-jh) = 3.1
    Without convection and rods: rad/(cons-jh) = 2.6
    Without convection, rods and joule heating: rad/cons = 2.48

    rad = reactor output by radiation
    conv = reactor output by convection
    rods = output via rods
    cons = reactor input as measured at position C1
    jh = joule heating in the wires

    Even the most conservative method gives a COP of almost 2.5. Since none of the skipped parameters can be lower than zero, it might be enough to determine the ratio between radiative output and electric input in the course of the replication. This would facilitate the procedure significantly.

    • Sanjeev

      It was a bad decision to not use the ON-OFF method. It would have increased the COP many times and would have left no room for objections such as inverted clamps. The reactor would have shown heat output in absence of any power (SSM), which puts to rest all objections/doubts/accusations regarding the input power measurement.

      At least they should have repeated the test in on-off mode for one more day, just to see how it performs. They should have recorded the initial heating up and heat after death data too. This can clearly show the “anomalous” behavior as distinct from that of simple resistive heating.

      Another thing, if IH did use SiC spiral element for heating, then the authors have made a wrong assumption regarding the shadows. Perhaps someone who is in contact with them can inform them. They may want to consult IH and correct it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Sanjeev

        I linked in another thread to a study of IR emission from SiC – of course, that is more standard SiC – but have no time to correlate it to Alumina.

        http://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/59/jresv59n6p405_A1b.pdf

        • Sanjeev

          Thanks for the link Bob.
          Any conclusions from this ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – once we have studied Alumina – we might be able to cross-reference – for now it is just another variable in the variable soup – but it is empirically derived data!

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Maybe the use of SSM would have revealed too much of Rossi’s IP. One option which has already been mentioned is that the coils are short-circuited in this mode, generating heat by currents that are caused by magnetic fields which are produced in the core. Naturally, the PCM-830 would register such currents. Admittedly, this hypothesis is fairly speculative and could be completely wrong. But the assumption that the reactor itself generates electric energy could also explain the drop of the apparent resistance in the standard mode.

        • Sanjeev

          Thats an interesting theory, but if the fuel is producing these magnetic fields, large enough to cause heavy currents in small length of wire and enough to maintain temperatures at 1000C, then its a bigger feat than LENR itself.
          The fields should cause currents in ON part also and so the PCE will register a very unusual waveform. I’m sure the testers would have noticed.
          We have a similar claim by DGT, but I guess its still in “doubtful” area.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Andreas,

      In the industrial heater market – vendors tout energy savings of 5% as being worth being their products for!

      The most awkward thing about the COP being around 3 is that it is not incontrovertible and therefore requires more analysis.

      It would help if more data was released.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I’m not at all complaining about the COP. What I have tried to say is that one could go without the complicated math that has been used by the testers, provided that the radiative output is clearly higher than the electric input. Skipping the other parameters would not imply any risk to overestimate the reactor’s performance.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Ahhh – got you… this should feed nicely into our reactor analogue verification of the Lugano thermal assessment techniques.

    • US_Citizen71

      In truth the setup should be evaluated as a heating device like a space heater. To do that all heating values including the power dissipated by the control box should be added together and then divided by the power in from the mains to find the efficiency of the heater. You likely drop below 300% but it will definitely outperform the oil filled radiant heater I have in my living room. I think this is what you are saying.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LOADS of new photos with descriptions of progress on

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    on our FaceBook Page

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Wouldn’t it be easier to 3D-print the moulds? There are a number of companies who offer a corresponding service. You send them a CAD file, and you will get the printed model within days. It would be even more convenient to print the reactor casings directly, but I do not know if this is possible with alumina.

  • Bob Greenyer

    LOADS of new photos with descriptions of progress on

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    on our FaceBook Page

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Wouldn’t it be easier to 3D-print the moulds? There are a number of companies who offer a corresponding service. You send them a CAD file, and you will get the printed model within days. It would be even more convenient to print the reactor casings directly, but I do not know if this is possible with alumina.

  • Bob Greenyer

    New casting worked a treat!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    New casting worked a treat!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Heating the new casting to 1200ºC – Including Video

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • pelgrim108

      Your casting looks better than the Lugano reactor.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Heating the new casting to 1200ºC – Including Video

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • pelgrim108

      Your casting looks better than the Lugano reactor.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Here is a REAL 3 phase coil that was made at HUG yesterday

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/Marti

  • Bob Greenyer

    Here is a REAL 3 phase coil that was made at HUG yesterday

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/Marti

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good success / Epic fail

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good success / Epic fail

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Important and revealing data on a sealed “fake LENR core”

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Important and revealing data on a sealed “fake LENR core”

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I would like to propose an additional calibration run with DC. It seems not unlikely that the resistivity of heating wires, as documented by the manufacturers, is measured by means of DC. However, the apparent resistance of the coils should be somewhat higher if AC is used. Moreover, it will be influenced by the chopping pattern of the triac due to changes of the relative amount of harmonics in the spectrum. The smaller the share of the original, sinusoidal waveform, the more the harmonics will become relevant, and vice versa. Since impedance rises with frequency, it should drop with increasing output (= longer sinusoidal sections). This could – besides the regular resistance drop of the wire – be an additional reason for the behaviour that has been observed in the recent test. Since the coil inductance is low, it is not clear if the presumed effect would be significant. But the inductance could rise as soon as the fuel is inserted, so that it might make sense to test DC as well with a loaded reactor.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I would like to propose an additional calibration run with DC. It seems not unlikely that the resistivity of heating wires, as documented by the manufacturers, is measured by means of DC. However, the apparent resistance of the coils should be somewhat higher if AC is used. Moreover, it will be influenced by the chopping pattern of the triac due to changes of the relative amount of harmonics in the spectrum. The smaller the share of the original, sinusoidal waveform, the more the harmonics will become relevant, and vice versa. Since impedance rises with frequency, it should drop with increasing output (= longer sinusoidal sections). This could – besides the regular resistance drop of the wire – be an additional reason for the behaviour that has been observed in the recent test. Since the coil inductance is low, it is not clear if the presumed effect would be significant. But the inductance could rise as soon as the fuel is inserted, so that it might make sense to test DC as well with a loaded reactor.

  • Bob Greenyer

    First of the “fat coils” has arrived.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    First of the “fat coils” has arrived.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are preparing the Powder cell to test Bob Higgins Powder, which may be the part of the first powder we test in a dog bone.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are preparing the Powder cell to test Bob Higgins Powder, which may be the part of the first powder we test in a dog bone.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bob Higgins Ni + Fe2O3 (partially reduced) is now in the powder calorimeter, preparing rest of apparatus for first live run…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Bob Higgins Ni + Fe2O3 (partially reduced) is now in the powder calorimeter, preparing rest of apparatus for first live run…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have just been sent Stoyan Sargs structural basis for the Lugano results presented this week at Nanotech conference in california where he was a keynote speaker.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have just been sent Stoyan Sargs structural basis for the Lugano results presented this week at Nanotech conference in california where he was a keynote speaker.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    First Data from the dog bone…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    getting ready for initial thermocouple tests next week.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    First Data from the dog bone…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    getting ready for initial thermocouple tests next week.

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Herb Gillis

    Questions for the MFMP folks:
    1) Do you think it would be possible to introduce a small amount of H2 into a CFL bulb to see if it speeds up the rate of mercury transmutation?
    2) Likewise to build an analog of a fluorescent bulb with a mix of Ni, Li, and H2 vapors, to look for transmutations like those found in the Lugano report?
    I’m thinking the phosphors in these bulbs may have a catalytic effect for LENR reactions. These phosphors are known (typically iodides of rare earth metals such as yttrium and europium).

    • Bob Greenyer

      An interesting idea, thank you Herb.

      We can’t at this moment in time explore this as we have a full schedule.

  • Bob Greenyer

    An interesting idea, thank you Herb.

    We can’t at this moment in time explore this as we have a full schedule.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It gets warm!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    • Mr. Moho

      Input power and measured temperatures?

      • Bob Greenyer

        The first data point is

        120W=>225C on the surface and 300 inside.

        we will hold off doing wider sweeps until we can get the data live publishing.

        • Mr. Moho

          The Dog Bone in the latest photo seems hotter than that though; that’s what I was referring about.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is, after Ryan took the first data point, he cranked up the variac a little to get a look-see and it highlighted the connection issues where the 3 phases were joined in series. The connections need to be improved – so it was a good test.

            Need to do this and a software mod to the HugNetLab board to account for the high temperature thermocouple before doing live runs.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It gets warm!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    2nd data point from rough test of 3 casting (3 phase dog bone wired as single phase)

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    NOTE: Remember that this reactors heater coil is close to the core, that is to say a “fat coil” should have much more of its heating surface closer to the fins of the dog bone. The internal to external temperature gradient greater may therefore be greater.

    1107 Watts of input into the Dog Bone (Lugano reactor analogue) after 15 minutes settling time resulted in

    1196ºC internal temperature (running to limits of K-Type Thermocouple)

    900ºC external temperature

    Oh and Live Google hangout tomorrow… details on FB

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    2nd data point from rough test of 3 casting (3 phase dog bone wired as single phase)

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    NOTE: Remember that this reactors heater coil is close to the core, that is to say a “fat coil” should have much more of its heating surface closer to the fins of the dog bone. The internal to external temperature gradient greater may therefore be greater.

    1107 Watts of input into the Dog Bone (Lugano reactor analogue) after 15 minutes settling time resulted in

    1196ºC internal core temperature (running to limits of K-Type Thermocouple)

    900ºC external temperature

    Oh and Live Google hangout tomorrow… details on FB

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    More data.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Ryan notes:

    The type K on the exterior was too heavy and not tight enough to the surface.

    First preliminary data only. More fine tuned and trustworthy data will be coming tomorrow – here is a table.

    http://bit.ly/1yIw2lZ

  • Bob Greenyer

    More data.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Ryan notes:

    The type K on the exterior was too heavy and not tight enough to the surface.

    First preliminary data only. More fine tuned and trustworthy data will be coming tomorrow – here is a table.

    http://bit.ly/1yIw2lZ

  • Bob Greenyer

    Stunningly simple test from Alan Goldwater of the “fake” LENR core is very revealing..

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Stunningly simple test from Alan Goldwater of the “fake” LENR core is very revealing..

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some clearer pictures of pre-live run

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Some clearer pictures of pre-live run

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    see it live here

    http://youtu.be/hOKErbL3_1A

    • artefact

      great, thanks.

  • Bob Greenyer

    see it live here

    http://youtu.be/hOKErbL3_1A

    • artefact

      great, thanks.

  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer
  • Bob Greenyer

    Williamson IR to custom build a dual wavelength Pyrometer with optical fibre probe and send it to us on loan – this will help us take random 3mm spot samples of temperatures during the live experiments.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Williamson IR to custom build a dual wavelength Pyrometer with optical fibre probe and send it to us on loan – this will help us take random 3mm spot samples of temperatures during the live experiments.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Live colour calibrator shaping up nicely!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Live colour calibrator shaping up nicely!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP to receive 3 prototype SiC elements from India

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP to receive 3 prototype SiC elements from India

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    First key component arrives for the thermal assessment verification

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    The PCE830 3 Phase power monitor has arrived! Photos on FB

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    First key component arrives for the thermal assessment verification

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    The PCE830 3 Phase power monitor has arrived! Photos on FB

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP to receive hoped-for, further $7500 from New Energy Foundation

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP to receive hoped-for, further $7500 from New Energy Foundation

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP have receive the $7500 check from the New Energy Foundation and Alan Goldwater’s fake LENR cores have arrived at HUG… presents!

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Tomorrow, the MFMP will have a really nice present for you all.

  • Bob Greenyer

    MFMP have received the $7500 cheque from the New Energy Foundation and Alan Goldwater’s fake LENR cores have arrived at HUG… presents!

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Tomorrow, the MFMP will have a really nice present for you all.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Dr. Alexander Parkhamov tells MFMP about the simple nature of his drive power.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Bob Greenyer

    Dr. Alexander Parkhamov tells MFMP about the simple nature of his drive power.

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

  • Sanjeev

    Looks like another replication is in progress by Russ George
    Scroll down to bottom at
    Will there be a rush of simple ‘Hot Cat’ replications?

    http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/30/second-hot-cat-begins-howl/

  • Sanjeev

    Looks like another replication is in progress by Russ George
    Scroll down to bottom at
    Will there be a rush of simple ‘Hot Cat’ replications?

    http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/30/second-hot-cat-begins-howl/

  • Andreas Moraitis

    The Powder Cells are apparently unemployed at the moment. How about a run with Ni-LiAlH4?

  • Sanjeev

    Although the Swedish Military sponsored test failed, there are some clues in the report. Here are two that I found.

  • Sanjeev

    Although the Swedish Military sponsored test failed, there are some clues in the report. Here are two that I found.

  • Mike403

    MFMP are continuing with their replication efforts. See updates on Facebook for details: They have a logical approach and are applying Scientific method as they continue to try to obtain anomalous heat production. Looks encouraging!

  • Eyedoc

    Axil ( or anyone else ) …Would you say that the use of LiBH4 would work as the H source instead of the LiAlH4 ? It may be more stable and available ? Thanks for any thoughts

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  • Mr. Moho

    This blog post on Vessela Nikolova’s blog is reporting interesting insights. Apparently, the importance of pressure in Dog Bone replications by MFMP and others might have been overlooked:

    http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/rossi-effect-visible-without-catalyst/

    • Andreas Moraitis

      The 200 bar statement refers likely to hydrogen that is supplied by a bottle. The required conditions should be different if a chemical hydrogen source is used. In this case, the hydrogen might be released in monatomic form and recombine shortly thereafter. As long as it is monatomic it could be adsorbed by the nickel.

  • Mr. Moho

    Here is a Hot-Cat replication attempt with Nickel and LiAlH4; it looks like he’s getting some excess heat: http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2015/01/13/hot-cat-replication-attempt/

    I wonder if the guy also writes on E-Cat World?

    • Mr. Moho

      My mistake – no LiAlH4 apparently, but something else instead. Still interesting, though.

  • Sanjeev

    Parkhomov Experiment (Analysis by Dr. Michael McKubre)
    http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue120/russian.html

    • Gerard McEk

      I admire the effort that McCubre has done to carefully study the work of Parkhomov. His analysis is extremely valuabe for all experimentalists and will give them clear ways how to perform their tests.

  • Sanjeev

    Parkhomov Experiment (Analysis by Dr. Michael McKubre)
    http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue120/russian.html

    • Gerard McEk

      I admire the effort that McCubre has done to carefully study the work of Parkhomov. His analysis is extremely valuabe for all experimentalists and will give them clear ways how to perform their tests.

  • Gerard McEk
  • Gerard McEk
  • Sanjeev
    • ecatworld

      Thanks, Sanjeev. I looked at this earlier today — not sure what to make of it. The display shows ‘Instant COP’ and ‘Overall COP’ — and the Overall COP in this video is alway < 1.

  • Sanjeev
    • Frank Acland

      Thanks, Sanjeev. I looked at this earlier today — not sure what to make of it. The display shows ‘Instant COP’ and ‘Overall COP’ — and the Overall COP in this video is alway < 1.

  • Axil Axil

    The behavior of the power supplied to the core heater is interesting. A constant power circuit might best be used to minimize the power fluctuations supplied to the reactor heater so that the temperature of the heater stays constant and predictable and most important adjustable.

    The details of such circuits can be found on the internet but what might be easiest to do is use a battery charger of appropriate amperage output to power the heater and a fast response time constant current regulator

    A large laptop charger or a car battery charger might work paired with a constant power regulator of sufficient power rating..

    Here is a YouTube that looks applicable which might save the cost of an expensive lab power supply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSO70Y_TxYQ

    I am not at all competent in the details in this area, so advice in this area would be appreciated.

    ———————————-

    The TPR2 testers did not report rapid temperature fluctuations so Rossi might have implemented a constant power supply function in his control box.

  • Axil Axil

    The behavior of the power supplied to the core heater is interesting. A constant power circuit might best be used to minimize the power fluctuations supplied to the reactor heater so that the temperature of the heater stays constant and predictable and most important adjustable.

    The details of such circuits can be found on the internet but what might be easiest to do is use a battery charger of appropriate amperage output to power the heater and a fast response time constant current regulator

    A large laptop charger or a car battery charger might work paired with a constant power regulator of sufficient power rating..

    Here is a YouTube that looks applicable which might save the cost of an expensive lab power supply.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSO70Y_TxYQ

    I am not at all competent in the details in this area, so advice in this area would be appreciated.

    ———————————-

    The TPR2 testers did not report rapid temperature fluctuations so Rossi might have implemented a constant power supply function in his control box.

  • Sanjeev
  • Sanjeev
  • Sanjeev

    AG Parkhomov will present on “New experimental results with the analog high-temperature reactor Rossi” on 29th Jan 2015.
    http://lenr.seplm.ru/seminary/seminar-kholodnyi-yadernyi-sintez-i-sharovaya-molniya-v-rudn-sostoitsya-v-chetverg-29-yanvarya-2015-g-v-1600-v-zale-1-7-etazh-inzhenernogo-korpusa
    No idea which experiment is being referred to, perhaps he did another one.

  • Sanjeev

    AG Parkhomov will present on “New experimental results with the analog high-temperature reactor Rossi” on 29th Jan 2015.
    http://lenr.seplm.ru/seminary/seminar-kholodnyi-yadernyi-sintez-i-sharovaya-molniya-v-rudn-sostoitsya-v-chetverg-29-yanvarya-2015-g-v-1600-v-zale-1-7-etazh-inzhenernogo-korpusa
    No idea which experiment is being referred to, perhaps he did another one.

  • GreenWin

    Anything new on Spazionica? Who are they?

  • GreenWin

    Anything new on Spazionica? Who are they?

  • Sanjeev

    Found a mention of Carbon as catalyst in a very old Wired article (1998). In case some experimenter reading this wants to try it out.
    http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html?pg=6&topic=&topic_set=

    and all of a sudden
    I got 1.2 degrees of excess heat from a sample that was palladium on carbon.
    I don’t believe in magic, so it had to be catalytic.”

    Now he had the confirmation he was looking for. “Plus I was generating
    heat,” he continues. “First 5 degrees, then 11 degrees, depending on the
    catalyst, which has to be unactivated carbon. Once I understood this, I
    made a prototype out of two stainless-steel gravy ladles.”

    • Andreas Moraitis

      All elements of group IV A are theoretically suitable as LENR materials. We know that Santilli uses a carbon-deuterium system in his reactors. Thus, the carbon in the described experiment could have been rather an additional reactant than a catalyst in the usual sense. Maybe Rossi’s ‘catalyst’ cliché is at all misleading, who knows…

      • Sanjeev

        It is notable that in Lugano report carbon was found in the fuel but it was absent in the ash. So yes, may be its an ingredient rather than a catalyst. It’d be interesting to see a replication with carbon added to the mix.

        • Bob Greenyer

          The Optris PI160 has landed… we are good to go!

          []=Project Dog Bone=[]

          Finally, after a few nervous days hanging about waiting for the Optris PI160 to arrive, it is here.

          This is THE key peace of equipment we had to secure to run our Phase 1 experiments, those verifying the thermal assessment approach use in Lugano. With the help of sponsors, countless hours on the phone begging, David Müller from Hotset CZ (the Czech Distributors of Optris) has come through as has Optris themselves – with a shiny new thermal imaging camera calibrated to 1500ºC.

          Thank you to everyone that made this possible. Here is an unboxing video for your viewing pleasure.

          http://youtu.be/mDtOhvU1Qv8

          Now we just have to get it to the states intact along with the PCE830.

    • maybe you refere to patterson cell, using case catalyst, some palladium on coconut charcoal…
      ask Jed Rothwell who know well the story, and the difficulties to replicate it because people always change the protocol, imagining that it is not important…

      replication never exist in science. only when scientists know what is important do they not-replicate respecting the minimum required to work.

      at best engineers like Longchampt can replicate if well informed.
      for replication, let it to engineers, that is their job.
      scientist job is never to do the same.

  • Sanjeev

    Found a mention of Carbon as catalyst in a very old Wired article (1998). In case some experimenter reading this wants to try it out.
    http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/6.11/coldfusion.html?pg=6&topic=&topic_set=

    and all of a sudden I got 1.2 degrees of excess heat from a sample that was palladium on carbon. I don’t believe in magic, so it had to be catalytic.”

    Now he had the confirmation he was looking for. “Plus I was generating heat,” he continues. “First 5 degrees, then 11 degrees, depending on the catalyst, which has to be unactivated carbon. Once I understood this, I made a prototype out of two stainless-steel gravy ladles.”

    • Andreas Moraitis

      All elements of group IV A are theoretically suitable as LENR materials. We know that Santilli uses a carbon-deuterium system in his reactors. Thus, the carbon in the described experiment could have been rather an additional reactant than a catalyst in the usual sense. Maybe Rossi’s ‘catalyst’ cliché is at all misleading, who knows…

      • Sanjeev

        It is notable that in Lugano report carbon was found in the fuel but it was absent in the ash. So yes, may be its an ingredient rather than a catalyst. It’d be interesting to see a replication with carbon added to the mix.

      • clovis ray

        I think Dr.Rossi said one time, theoretically one could use raspberry jam, lol.

    • maybe you refere to patterson cell, using case catalyst, some palladium on coconut charcoal…
      ask Jed Rothwell who know well the story, and the difficulties to replicate it because people always change the protocol, imagining that it is not important…

      replication never exist in science. only when scientists know what is important do they not-replicate respecting the minimum required to work.

      at best engineers like Longchampt can replicate if well informed.
      for replication, let it to engineers, that is their job.
      scientist job is never to do the same.

  • Bob Greenyer

    The Optris PI160 has landed… we are good to go!

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    Finally, after a few nervous days hanging about waiting for the Optris PI160 to arrive, it is here.

    This is THE key peace of equipment we had to secure to run our Phase 1 experiments, those verifying the thermal assessment approach use in Lugano. With the help of sponsors, countless hours on the phone begging, David Müller from Hotset CZ (the Czech Distributors of Optris) has come through as has Optris themselves – with a shiny new thermal imaging camera calibrated to 1500ºC.

    Thank you to everyone that made this possible. Here is an unboxing video for your viewing pleasure.

    http://youtu.be/mDtOhvU1Qv8

    Now we just have to get it to the states intact along with the PCE830.

  • Sanjeev

    Very useful info on safety from B. Ahern

    Safety concerns for LENR replication.

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1083-Safety-concerns-Brian-Ahern/

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks sanjeev

  • Sanjeev

    Very useful info on safety from B. Ahern

    Safety concerns for LENR replication.

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1083-Safety-concerns-Brian-Ahern/

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks sanjeev

  • Bob Greenyer

    Wax on, Wax off

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We have been grappling with how we can get the castable ceramic into the SiC element.

    http://youtu.be/s-UluBEHXYA

    On the first attempt at moulding a SiC element, we had tried to use mould release spray in an attempt to ensure we could swap reactor cores in a SiC based dog bone. but that didn’t allow the central ceramic to come out.

    Our latest approach is to use a kind of ‘lost wax’ moulding process, we fashioned and cleaned a cylinder from copper pipe and popped to the hardware store for some candles, we were tempted by scented coloured ones, but in the end we got some plain white ones.

    Using a metal channel to guide the heat-guns air-flow around the candle segment filled tube, we melted down the wax and dipped in the steel tube.

    http://youtu.be/lfHPHhV8mGk

    It took several attempts to get right, putting wax on, taking it off at different temperatures and cooling rates.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Maybe there is a thinner for the castable ceramic? The manufacturer should be able to deliver or to specify it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Wax on, Wax off

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    We have been grappling with how we can get the castable ceramic into the SiC element.

    http://youtu.be/s-UluBEHXYA

    On the first attempt at moulding a SiC element, we had tried to use mould release spray in an attempt to ensure we could swap reactor cores in a SiC based dog bone. but that didn’t allow the central ceramic to come out.

    Our latest approach is to use a kind of ‘lost wax’ moulding process, we fashioned and cleaned a cylinder from copper pipe and popped to the hardware store for some candles, we were tempted by scented coloured ones, but in the end we got some plain white ones.

    Using a metal channel to guide the heat-guns air-flow around the candle segment filled tube, we melted down the wax and dipped in the steel tube.

    http://youtu.be/lfHPHhV8mGk

    It took several attempts to get right, putting wax on, taking it off at different temperatures and cooling rates.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Maybe there is a thinner for the castable ceramic? The manufacturer should be able to deliver or to specify it.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Getting ready…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Today we started to get to grips with some of the key tools for the imminent tests.

    1. We got the United Automation thyristor stack controlling a little Kanthal A1 Coil.

    2. We had the phase chopping and power being monitored by the PCE 830E

    3. We observed the coil heat with the Williamson Pyrometer which was really easy to see what we are sampling with the spot focus guide.

    4. We observed the coil heat with the Optris PI160

    We could see how areas are set up for temperature averaging in the Optris software just like Lugano and we think that we should be able to output the live output as part of the livestream from the tests.

    We could also see how emissivity setting in the Optris varied the assessed temperature.

    We really need a thermocouple in play to understand what is going on fully.

    We also think we will be able to add the power output from the PCE830E onto the live feed, to control the thyristor stack from HUGNet.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Getting ready…

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject

    Today we started to get to grips with some of the key tools for the imminent tests.

    1. We got the United Automation thyristor stack controlling a little Kanthal A1 Coil.

    2. We had the phase chopping and power being monitored by the PCE 830E

    3. We observed the coil heat with the Williamson Pyrometer which was really easy to see what we are sampling with the spot focus guide.

    4. We observed the coil heat with the Optris PI160

    We could see how areas are set up for temperature averaging in the Optris software just like Lugano and we think that we should be able to output the live output as part of the livestream from the tests.

    We could also see how emissivity setting in the Optris varied the assessed temperature.

    We really need a thermocouple in play to understand what is going on fully.

    We also think we will be able to add the power output from the PCE830E onto the live feed, to control the thyristor stack from HUGNet.

  • Fortyniner

    For all replicators, there seems to be a rich seam of information on making objects using castable ceramics (including alumina cement) at http://www.cotronics.com/catalog

    There are also a number of useful instruction sheets at: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/, an index which includes:

    Rescor castable ceramics: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/onepg700.pdf

    Advanced ceramic castables: http://mrclab.com/Media/Uploads/Directionfor-Casting-Ceramics.pdf

    Ceramic adhesives: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/instructions%20%20cer%20amic%20adhesives.pdf

    Precision mold making material: http://www.cotronics.com/catalog/62%20%20101%20%20101MR.pdf
    The latter including details of their mould release material, 101 MR.

  • For all replicators, there seems to be a rich seam of information on making objects using castable ceramics (including alumina cement) at http://www.cotronics.com/catalog

    There are also a number of useful instruction sheets at: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/, an index which includes:

    Rescor castable ceramics: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/onepg700.pdf

    Advanced ceramic castables: http://mrclab.com/Media/Uploads/Directionfor-Casting-Ceramics.pdf

    Ceramic adhesives: http://www.cotronics.com/vo/cotr/pdf/instructions%20%20cer%20amic%20adhesives.pdf

    Precision mold making material: http://www.cotronics.com/catalog/62%20%20101%20%20101MR.pdf
    The latter including details of their mould release material, 101 MR. (When I was using these materials some time ago, the ‘release agent’ of choice was a thin coating of liquid soap stolen from the company toilets!).

  • Obvious

    I was just thinking about the various difficulties in assessing/verifying the heat in replications generally. Perhaps a series of metals (or compounds), arranged by melting point might help in temperature calibrations. Maybe a dog bone could be constructed with a flat side (top) to hold small alumina cups with 1-5 gram “buttons” of various calibration metals. One could pick a short series with melting steps at known values.

    Or use these to confirm extra heat after verifying that a range of these metals cannot be melted at a certain input heat level in dummy tests, them demonstrate them melting in an active run.

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

  • Obvious

    I was just thinking about the various difficulties in assessing/verifying the heat in replications generally. Perhaps a series of metals (or compounds), arranged by melting point might help in temperature calibrations. Maybe a dog bone could be constructed with a flat side (top) to hold small alumina cups with 1-5 gram “buttons” of various calibration metals. One could pick a short series with melting steps at known values.

    Or use these to confirm extra heat after verifying that a range of these metals cannot be melted at a certain input heat level in dummy tests, them demonstrate them melting in an active run.

    http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/melting-temperature-metals-d_860.html

  • Sanjeev
  • Sanjeev
  • Sanjeev

    bschill – plans for a replication.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1110-planning-stage-for-a-replication/

    It looks like a new design rather than an exact replication.

  • Sanjeev

    bschill – plans for a replication.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1110-planning-stage-for-a-replication/

    It looks like a new design rather than an exact replication.

  • Sanjeev

    Lenr-Forum user “wishfulThinking” is planning to use microwaves for his replication. A new replicator on the scene.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1110-planning-stage-for-a-replication/?postID=2696#post2696

  • Sanjeev

    Lenr-Forum user “wishfulThinking” is planning to use microwaves for his replication. A new replicator on the scene.
    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1110-planning-stage-for-a-replication/?postID=2696#post2696

    • Wishful Thinking Energy

      What can I say, when you have a hammer (or in this case a microwave reactor) everything looks like a nail.

      One of the difficulties is going to be that as the alumina tube heats up it will start to absorb microwaves leading to more alumina heating and eventually failure. Another difficulty is how to do accurate calorimetry, or even temperature measurement in a microwave chamber.

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, its challenging. But all the best !
        Perhaps watching the heat after death is a good way. The active tube will have a different cool down curve than the control one. (Assuming your microwave furnace has a built in thermometer).

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, its challenging. But all the best !
    Perhaps watching the heat after death is a good way. The active tube will have a different cool down curve than the control one. (Assuming your microwave furnace has a built in thermometer).

  • Bob Greenyer

    Windup

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    http://youtu.be/t_xoVGsHS7s

    In this short instructional UHD clip, we show how to make a heater coil suitable for a dog bone or *GlowStick*. In this case we used a helically grooved metal rod held in the spindle with a drilled end to seat the lathes centre from the tailstock spindle. The video shows winding of Kanthal A1 wire which is a little springy and needs tension applied. At the end of the video you can see the finished winding next to a “fat coil” dog bone.

    For the *GlowStick* winding, a smaller end drilled rod was used with no groove. For these we used some Inconel 600/601 which is easier to wind.

    For those that do not have access to a lathe, it is possible to make small windings like this:

    http://youtu.be/xZMmAcp7cc0

  • Bob Greenyer

    Windup

    []=Project Dog Bone=[]

    http://youtu.be/t_xoVGsHS7s

    In this short instructional UHD clip, we show how to make a heater coil suitable for a dog bone or *GlowStick*. In this case we used a helically grooved metal rod held in the spindle with a drilled end to seat the lathes centre from the tailstock spindle. The video shows winding of Kanthal A1 wire which is a little springy and needs tension applied. At the end of the video you can see the finished winding next to a “fat coil” dog bone.

    For the *GlowStick* winding, a smaller end drilled rod was used with no groove. For these we used some Inconel 600/601 which is easier to wind.

    For those that do not have access to a lathe, it is possible to make small windings like this:

    http://youtu.be/xZMmAcp7cc0

  • Hi all

    At one time, back in the last century, I worked on some experimental electron beam vacuum welders. There has been some mention of a surfeit of electrons being part of LENR (the Rossi Effect). I am given to wonder if a pre-fuelled powder under an electron beam might be an interesting experiment. The vacuum required would be a problem, perhaps powder sealing. The other problems, might be geometry and finally and most worryingly I always have in my head the formulae E= MC^2. I think those trying out such ideas would do well to try them out in a desert or remote island somewhere.

    Kind Regards walker

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Interesting idea, Ian. Maybe one could even use a hydride mixture instead of a preloaded sample. Pressure and obtainable loading ratio could turn out to be problematic, but anyway this might be worth a try.

  • Hi all

    At one time, back in the last century, I worked on some experimental electron beam vacuum welders. There has been some mention of a surfeit of electrons being part of LENR (the Rossi Effect). I am given to wonder if a pre-fuelled powder under an electron beam might be an interesting experiment. The vacuum required to reduce dissipation would be a problem, perhaps powder sealing, though an E-beam can be run in a non vacuum atmosphere with dissipation , argon is common. The other problems, might be geometry and finally and most worryingly I always have in my head the formulae E= MC^2 when thoughts of LENR experiments come to mind. Keep it small keep it safe. Remember only about 1.5% of fission bomb’s critical mass creates the explosion. Keep it small keep it safe. I think those trying out such ideas would do well to try them out in a desert or remote island somewhere.

    Kind Regards walker

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Interesting idea, Ian. Maybe one could even use a hydride mixture instead of a preloaded sample. Pressure and obtainable loading ratio could turn out to be problematic, but anyway this might be worth a try.

  • Sanjeev

    The Chan method. This is an old post on the Build E-Cat site, but can be useful. (He claimed a successful replication of E-Cat).
    http://www.buildecat.com/blog_detail/the-chan-formula-4.html

  • Bob Greenyer

    youtu.be/3PxvZRqQ-F0

    This instructional video shows:

    – the accuracy of temperature measurement of the Williamson Pyrometer, regardless of the apparent emissivity ( or signal strength ). This can be seen by the pyrometer giving basically the same temperature measurement as the kilns K-Type thermocouple regardless of when looking through the portal or with the door open.

    – coils in the kiln appearing darker when they are not actively being driven to the same or higher temperature as the alumina based insulation in the kiln. This can be seen when the kiln door is open and the power has been switch off to the heater coils.

    In the test we can see what happens to the “signal strength” when the same alumina the dog bones were cast from is measured when at temperature in a kiln that is fully at the same temperature, and when it is exposed to cooler air. In both situations the Williamson performs well.

    You can see some relevant screen grabs here:

    bit.ly/1GiHfLZ

  • Bob Greenyer

    youtu.be/3PxvZRqQ-F0

    This instructional video shows:

    – the accuracy of temperature measurement of the Williamson Pyrometer, regardless of the apparent emissivity ( or signal strength ). This can be seen by the pyrometer giving basically the same temperature measurement as the kilns K-Type thermocouple regardless of when looking through the portal or with the door open.

    – coils in the kiln appearing darker when they are not actively being driven to the same or higher temperature as the alumina based insulation in the kiln. This can be seen when the kiln door is open and the power has been switch off to the heater coils.

    In the test we can see what happens to the “signal strength” when the same alumina the dog bones were cast from is measured when at temperature in a kiln that is fully at the same temperature, and when it is exposed to cooler air. In both situations the Williamson performs well.

    You can see some relevant screen grabs here:

    bit.ly/1GiHfLZ

  • Sanjeev

    Looks like a replication is in progress , by the Betatron group of Ugo Abundo.
    Needs translation (of the pdf especially), but the pics are great.

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1137-OpenPower-Ugo-Abundo-Progettazione-di-repliche-e-modifiche-del-reattore-di-A-Par/

    http://www.hydrobetatron.org/011-report_ultimo-report.html

    • Sanjeev

      Here is a translation of text in pdf report by Google.

      Page 1
      Design of replicas and changes of reactor A. Parkhomov
      (Inspired by the E-cat) in the laboratory Open Power

      The experimental campaign ITAbetatron, There is also the replication of processes that
      believed to take place in the E-cat, and the study of variants which aim to innalzarne performance such as controllability,
      efficiency etc., by the adoption of specific criteria that inform such experimentation.
      Based on the recent experiments of the Russian scientist Alexander Parkhomov, relationships
      independent on the E-cat, and the campaign began to MFMP, puts the emphasis on the serious problems safety, both in the preparation of reagents that in the execution of the tests.
      In this respect, it is considered to provide the details of the equipment that have been chosen to carry out the campaign, just launched, the results of which will be presented and discussed at the conference ICCF19 of April 2015.
      The experimental set-up is divided into 4 sections, modularly composable:
      1) gas supply, with refillable cylinders of hydrogen adsorbed on metal powders, and cylinders
      Argon, with adjustment of the individual pressures and the possibility of mixing;
      2) room glove-box manipulation in an inert atmosphere, for the loading of reactive species in
      capsules steel interchangeable;
      3) the reaction chamber for housing the reactors, by containing them in an inert atmosphere in a container
      pressurized and very resistant mechanically;
      4) the discharge section, with safety valve, expansion tank and filtered collection of dust in the case
      burst, killing chemical hydrogen.
      Composing subsystems 1), 2) and 4), you get the gaming system of preparation of reagents in security,composing subsystems 1), 3) and 4) is obtained in the reaction system security.
      The reactor consists of a ceramic tube which houses an externally wrapped around resistance Nichrome,presenting internally access to a tube removable and interchangeable housing-samples of stainless steel sealed at the ends by threaded screws sealed with firm-threads in the adhesive, ceramic high temperatures, for containment of reagents.
      This tube is wrapped in tape, ceramic fiber for high temperature, and has a tube ceramic
      Direct contact with the inner ceramic tube, for housing thermocouples.
      The whole is inserted in a copper coil for the cooling water or air, further insulated and
      contained in a stainless steel tube exterior. The device, which forms the group
      reactor-heater-cooler, Is contained in the chamber 3),powered by the subsystem 1) and connected to the subsystem 4).A variac guide sending current, once rectified by a bridge, to the heater, and a power meter records the input power after filtering with a low-pass filter and an isolation transformer.
      The measurements of the thermocouples are recorded by the computer interface.
      Page 2
      The difficulty to operate at the high temperatures involved has made ​​a test for resistance testing
      Thermal apparatus, as well as the dangerousness of the reagents has required the adoption of
      manipulation in an inert atmosphere, with recovery of any dust in totally enclosed system.
      Fig.1 Heating resistance of ceramics
      Page 3
      Fig.2 Resistance insulated
      Page 4
      Fig.3 Pipe external
      Page 5
      Fig. 4 Serpentine copper
      Page 6
      Fig. 5 coil position
      Page 7
      Fig. 6 Steel pipe containment isolation
      Page 8
      Fig. 7 Heating test
      Page 9
      Fig. 8 Room containment stainless steel reactor
      Page 10
      Fig. 9 Introduction reactor
      Page 11
      Fig. 10 Sleigh support reactor
      Page 12
      Fig. 11 Positioning reactor
      Page 13
      Fig. 12 Capsule stainless insertable and sealable with threaded bar for the determination of the volume
      reaction
      Page 14
      Fig. 13 Detail of the ceramic tube for the thermocouple and a view of the capsule inserted
      Page 15
      Fig. 14 Complete line of test reactor
      Fig. 15 View Room particular reaction
      Page 16
      Fig. 16 Power supply section argon and / or hydrogen
      Fig. 17 Section controlled waste, with safety valve, expansion tank, dust collection,
      hydrogen reduction
      Page 17
      Fig. 18 Complete handling reagents in a controlled atmosphere
      Fig. 19 View section containment leaks reagents during handling
      Page 18
      Fig. 20 Section realization inert atmosphere (gas interchangeable) in the chamber manipulation
      Fig. 22 View Room manipulation “glove-box” in an inert atmosphere
      Page 19
      Fig. 23 Pump vacuum creation (if necessary)
      Fig. 24 station operator
      Page 20
      Fig. 25 View line manipulation reagents
      Fig. 26 Opening packs reagents

      Open Power Association – Ugo Abundo

  • Sanjeev

    Looks like a replication is in progress , by the Betatron group of Ugo Abundo.
    Needs translation (of the pdf especially), but the pics are great.

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1137-OpenPower-Ugo-Abundo-Progettazione-di-repliche-e-modifiche-del-reattore-di-A-Par/

    http://www.hydrobetatron.org/011-report_ultimo-report.html

    • Sanjeev

      Here is a translation of text in pdf report by Google.

      Design of replicas and changes of reactor A. Parkhomov (Inspired by the E-cat) in the laboratory Open Power

      The experimental campaign ITAbetatron, There is also the replication of processes that
      believed to take place in the E-cat, and the study of variants which aim to innalzarne performance such as controllability, efficiency etc., by the adoption of specific criteria that inform such experimentation.
      Based on the recent experiments of the Russian scientist Alexander Parkhomov, relationships independent on the E-cat, and the campaign began to MFMP, puts the emphasis on the serious problems safety, both in the preparation of reagents that in the execution of the tests.
      In this respect, it is considered to provide the details of the equipment that have been chosen to carry out the campaign, just launched, the results of which will be presented and discussed at the conference ICCF19 of April 2015.
      The experimental set-up is divided into 4 sections, modularly composable:
      1) gas supply, with refillable cylinders of hydrogen adsorbed on metal powders, and cylinders Argon, with adjustment of the individual pressures and the possibility of mixing;
      2) room glove-box manipulation in an inert atmosphere, for the loading of reactive species in capsules steel interchangeable;
      3) the reaction chamber for housing the reactors, by containing them in an inert atmosphere in a container pressurized and very resistant mechanically;
      4) the discharge section, with safety valve, expansion tank and filtered collection of dust in the case burst, killing chemical hydrogen.
      Composing subsystems 1), 2) and 4), you get the gaming system of preparation of reagents in security,composing subsystems 1), 3) and 4) is obtained in the reaction system security.
      The reactor consists of a ceramic tube which houses an externally wrapped around resistance Nichrome,presenting internally access to a tube removable and interchangeable housing-samples of stainless steel sealed at the ends by threaded screws sealed with firm-threads in the adhesive, ceramic high temperatures, for containment of reagents.
      This tube is wrapped in tape, ceramic fiber for high temperature, and has a tube ceramic Direct contact with the inner ceramic tube, for housing thermocouples.
      The whole is inserted in a copper coil for the cooling water or air, further insulated and
      contained in a stainless steel tube exterior. The device, which forms the group
      reactor-heater-cooler, Is contained in the chamber 3),powered by the subsystem 1) and connected to the subsystem 4).A variac guide sending current, once rectified by a bridge, to the heater, and a power meter records the input power after filtering with a low-pass filter and an isolation transformer.
      The measurements of the thermocouples are recorded by the computer interface.

      Page 2
      The difficulty to operate at the high temperatures involved has made ​​a test for resistance testing Thermal apparatus, as well as the dangerousness of the reagents has required the adoption of manipulation in an inert atmosphere, with recovery of any dust in totally enclosed system.
      Fig.1 Heating resistance of ceramics

      Page 3-20
      Fig.2 Resistance insulated
      Fig.3 Pipe external
      Fig. 4 Serpentine copper
      Fig. 5 coil position
      Fig. 6 Steel pipe containment isolation
      Fig. 7 Heating test
      Fig. 8 Room containment stainless steel reactor
      Fig. 9 Introduction reactor
      Fig. 10 Sleigh support reactor
      Fig. 11 Positioning reactor
      Fig. 12 Capsule stainless insertable and sealable with threaded bar for the determination of the volume reaction
      Fig. 13 Detail of the ceramic tube for the thermocouple and a view of the capsule inserted
      Fig. 14 Complete line of test reactor
      Fig. 15 View Room particular reaction
      Fig. 16 Power supply section argon and / or hydrogen
      Fig. 17 Section controlled waste, with safety valve, expansion tank, dust collection,
      hydrogen reduction
      Fig. 18 Complete handling reagents in a controlled atmosphere
      Fig. 19 View section containment leaks reagents during handling
      Fig. 20 Section realization inert atmosphere (gas interchangeable) in the chamber manipulation
      Fig. 22 View Room manipulation “glove-box” in an inert atmosphere
      Fig. 23 Pump vacuum creation (if necessary)
      Fig. 24 station operator
      Fig. 25 View line manipulation reagents
      Fig. 26 Opening packs reagents

      Open Power Association – Ugo Abundo

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Proposal for an experiment – only suitable for those who are able to handle hydrogen at high pressures and temperatures.

    Ingredients: nickel powder, zinc powder, thinned hydrochloric acid.

    Mix the powders and put them into the reactor. The oxygen can be removed by pouring in an inert gas. Add some of the hydrochloric acid and close the vessel quickly.

    The zinc and the hydrochloric acid will react and produce hydrogen:

    Zn + 2HCl > ZnCl2 + H2

    The hydrogen is released in its atomic form and usually recombines shortly thereafter, so that there might be a chance that it migrates into the nickel lattice before that happens. Nickel is not affected by HCl, so it should remain in its original state. Since the reaction is exothermic (156.5 kJ per mol Zn at constant volume) and the gas cannot escape, the reactor will heat up. The reaction rate, and therefore the time that is needed to build the pressure up, can be adjusted by modifying the concentration of the HCl.

    One advantage of this experiment would be that it does not require external heating. Basic calorimetry could be done by comparing the reached temperatures with values from a calibration run, perhaps with a small electric heater inside the reactor. A comparative run without the nickel powder could as well be instructive.

    An alumina vessel should resist the hydrochloric acid, although I am not sure if the same goes for high temperatures. A pressure relief valve and a blast shield are obligatory, and of course one should not forget that escaping hydrogen could catch fire.

    1 g zinc can produce 343 ml H2 at room temperature, so the pressure could become very high. The theoretical maximum should be calculated before starting. I do not know if a high pressure would quench the reaction, though. It is also impossible to predict how much hydrogen will be absorbed by the nickel or by the reactor walls.

    Again: This experiment may be dangerous and is absolutely not suitable for amateurs.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Slight correction: Nickel reacts with hydrochloric acid, but very slowly, especially if the acid is thinned. In the given case, the zinc should protect the nickel due to its lower electronegativity.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Proposal for an experiment – only suitable for those who are able to handle hydrogen at high pressures and temperatures.

    Ingredients: nickel powder, zinc powder, thinned hydrochloric acid.

    Mix the powders and put them into the reactor. The oxygen can be removed by pouring in an inert gas. Add some of the hydrochloric acid and close the vessel quickly.

    The zinc and the hydrochloric acid will react and produce hydrogen:

    Zn + 2HCl > ZnCl2 + H2

    The hydrogen is released in its atomic form and usually recombines shortly thereafter, so that there might be a chance that it migrates into the nickel lattice before that happens. Nickel is not affected by HCl, so it should remain in its original state. Since the reaction is exothermic (156.5 kJ per mol Zn at constant volume) and the gas cannot escape, the reactor will heat up. The reaction rate, and therefore the time that is needed to build the pressure up, can be adjusted by modifying the concentration of the HCl.

    One advantage of this experiment would be that it does not require external heating. Basic calorimetry could be done by comparing the reached temperatures with values from a calibration run, perhaps with a small electric heater inside the reactor. A comparative run without the nickel powder could as well be instructive.

    An alumina vessel should resist the hydrochloric acid, although I am not sure if the same goes for high temperatures. A pressure relief valve and a blast shield are obligatory, and of course one should not forget that escaping hydrogen could catch fire.

    1 g zinc can produce 343 ml H2 at room temperature, so the pressure could become very high. The theoretical maximum should be calculated before starting. I do not know if a high pressure would quench the reaction, though. It is also impossible to predict how much hydrogen will be absorbed by the nickel or by the reactor walls.

    Again: This experiment may be dangerous and is absolutely not suitable for amateurs.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Slight correction: Nickel reacts with hydrochloric acid, but very slowly, especially if the acid is thinned. In the given case, the zinc should protect the nickel due to its lower electronegativity.