“Most Important News of the Year” — Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson Comments on Nature.com

Brian Josephson, British physicist and Nobel laureate (1973 prize for physics) has made a comment on the website of Nature regarding the release of the E-Cat report. Josephson has long followed the work of Andrea Rossi and has shown strong interest in the E-Cat over the years.

His comment on the Seven Days page of Nature, where readers comment on significant science news over the last week:

“The most important news of the year, perhaps, not just the last seven days? The results of a new investigation into the Rossi reactor (allegedly a high-power cold fusion reactor), involving running the reactor over a 32-day period, are now out. The report not only confirms output power far in excess of anything possible by chemical reaction, but also gives a clear indication that a nuclear reaction is occurring, on the basis of a substantial change in the isotopic proportions of Li and Ni over the period of the run. (…) As before, I predict that pigs will fly before Nature makes any mention of the report, which has also been put on hold by the physics preprint archive arxiv.org (with an earlier report, a leaked email disclosed that the moderators were trying hard to find a reason to block the report but eventually gave in).”

http://www.nature.com/news/seven-days-3-9-october-2014-1.16087#comment-1626001865

A comment like this is not likely to attract much attention, but this is probably as close as we’ll get from seeing cold fusion or the E-Cat mentioned in Nature for the time being.

  • Jonnyb

    This is great news, and a major step forward.

  • Jonnyb

    This is great news, and a major step forward.

  • Sandy

    Three cheers for Brian Josephson!

  • Sandy

    Three cheers for Brian Josephson!

  • Harry

    Would someone please submit an article on Zerohedge.com? I’ll bet Simon Black would like to hear about this too.

  • Ged

    Awesome to have someone as great as Brian Josephson post such a comment at the Nature forums. He’s a brave man.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Indeed, he seems like an integer and brave soul.

  • Curbina

    Considering that Josephson is not the only Nobel laureate to take LENR seriously (the first one Julian Schwinger), its always good to see his comments against the likes as Pomp (ous) and company.

  • Ged

    Awesome to have someone as great as Brian Josephson post such a comment at the Nature forums. He’s a brave man.

    • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

      Indeed, he seems like an integer and brave soul.

  • Curbina

    Considering that Josephson is not the only Nobel laureate to take LENR seriously (the first one Julian Schwinger), its always good to see his comments against the likes as Pomp (ous) and company.

  • Curbina

    Unfortunately, Mr. Josephson, and many other Nobel Laureates, in the pseudoskeptical mind, tend to suffer from something called “The Nobel disease” http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease
    I would say that the amount of Nobels with this “disease” point exactly to the opposite, that the pseudoskeptics are the ones with a disease.

  • Curbina

    Unfortunately, Mr. Josephson, and many other Nobel Laureates, in the pseudoskeptical mind, tend to suffer from something called “The Nobel disease” http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nobel_disease
    I would say that the amount of Nobels with this “disease” point exactly to the opposite, that the pseudoskeptics are the ones with a disease.

    • bachcole

      Nice. To get a Nobel prize a person must break new ground, by definition. Skeptopaths are not that keen on new ground being broken.

  • So unless we make flying pigs somehow Nature wont publish the report?
    Hmmmm

    This is a tough one!

    • Ophelia Rump

      The pigs are airborne! Check out the nature comments session.

  • So unless we make flying pigs somehow Nature wont publish the report?
    Hmmmm

    This is a tough one!

    • Ophelia Rump

      The pigs are airborne! Check out the nature comments session.

      Felix Rends; Indeed he does!

  • Ophelia Rump

    Hah, that thread in nature is now an official UN war zone!

    Perhaps we can promote publication there by referencing it into general popularity.
    Stephan Pomp has responded to Phaeton Rudegar and appears to be on the ropes, can it be long before one of his co-authors enters the ring to save him.

    Felix Rends
    http://www.lenr-forum.com
    Has tagged into the ring with Phaeton and they are circling the wounded Stephan Pomp.
    He seems to be having trouble getting to his feet.

    Mary Yugo has tagged in for Stephan Pomp in a surprise appearance.
    She is claiming that a large lump of cheese was introduced and the research team would not ask, “Why has Rossi wedged a lump of cheese into the meters?”
    The science is indisputable, she has a video of a lump of cheese with wire sticking out of it.
    All that remains is for Pomp to pick up the cheese and run with it, making LENR Fondu.

    We have to wonder, how will Pomp and his colleagues manage to distance themselves from their insane defender and come away with any credibility or self respect remaining?

  • Mauzen

    I find his last point (“with an earlier report, a leaked email disclosed that the moderators
    were trying hard to find a reason to block the report but eventually
    gave in”) even more interesting. I havent read that before, maybe I just missed it. But people actually trying to block scientific papers about the LENR from being released in the archieve is a real threat to the scientific independence and authenticity.
    Science MUST not ignore information just because it doesnt fit in their current view.

  • Tom59

    THANKS PROF. JOSEPHSON!

  • Tom59

    THANKS PROF. JOSEPHSON!

  • Andrew

    Too funny.

  • Andrew

    Too funny.

  • ztexas
  • profchuck

    There is a fundamental question, “where is the gamma radiation?” Nucleosynthisis on this scale releases energy that is proportional to the mass difference between the “fuel” and the end product. No known fusion process takes place without releasing some of this energy in the form of high energy radiation and particles. To produce the 1.5 megawatt hours over the 30 odd days of the experiment should have produced gamma radiation that was not only detectable but lethal. For this to be real one must accept that not only is low temperature fusion possible but it can occur without producing detectable radiation. That would be two major discoveries that can only be called “New Physics”.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Is there a sufficient mass difference to cover the energy released?
      Or is there another form of energy release like energy from quantum foam suggested?

      • Jonnyb

        The stupid cheese video may be explained by this. I suspect that the supply is both A.C. and D.C. with two series coils
        under the switch to the other terminals. The light is not so bright on
        the cheese, but the meters will not measure D.C. current if set on A.C.
        The easiest way to prove is just pull the power plug to the whole thing, if the cheese still lights it then´╗┐ some other trickery.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Do not be so hard on cheese, everyone likes cheese.

          • Jonnyb

            mmmm

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Li(7) + H(1) > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV no gamma
      very old physics

      • Pekka Janhunen

        However, there is the issue that the resulting alphas (although much more benign than neutrons, gammas or even protons) would still cause a small amount of secondary activation in the elements present in the reactor. For example, from http://www.oecd-nea.org/janis/book/book-alpha.pdf one can find that the cross section of reactions Al27(a,n)P30, Li7(a,n)B10, Ni58(a,p)Cu61,Ni62(a,n)Zn65 is roughly 0.1 barn at alpha energy of 8.5 MeV, i.e., half of 17 MeV (1 barn=1e-28 m^2). Stopping distance of 8 MeV alpha in nickel is about 20 microns, so at 0.1 barn cross section the moving alpha draws a volume of 2e-34 m^3 before stopping (most of the distance it travels near the original energy). There are about 1.8e-5 nickel nuclei in this volume, so a fraction ~1.8e-5 of the alphas would be expected to produce neutrons and other radioactive outcomes. As we know, such radioactivity was not observed in Bianchini’s measurements.

        Maybe the net reaction is indeed equivalent with Li7(p,a)He4, but the output energy somehow gets distributed over a larger number of alpha or other particles. Alpha-induced secondary activation is a rather steep function of alpha energy and is exactly zero below some activation threshold which depends on the reaction.

  • profchuck

    There is a fundamental question, “where is the gamma radiation?” Nucleosynthisis on this scale releases energy that is proportional to the mass difference between the “fuel” and the end product. No known fusion process takes place without releasing some of this energy in the form of high energy radiation and particles. To produce the 1.5 megawatt hours over the 30 odd days of the experiment should have produced gamma radiation that was not only detectable but lethal. For this to be real one must accept that not only is low temperature fusion possible but it can occur without producing detectable radiation. That would be two major discoveries that can only be called “New Physics”.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Is there a sufficient mass difference to cover the energy released?
      Or is there another form of energy release like energy from quantum foam or cheeze whizz suggested?

      Mary Yugo seems to think we could be powering trains with a pound of provolone.
      Is there anything cheesy here? Maybe a sprinkle of Asiago, or a charge of cheddar?

      • Jonnyb

        The stupid cheese video may be explained by this. I suspect that the supply is both A.C. and D.C. with two series coils
        under the switch to the other terminals. The light is not so bright on
        the cheese, but the meters will not measure D.C. current if set on A.C.
        The easiest way to prove is just pull the power plug to the whole thing, if the cheese still lights it then´╗┐ some other trickery.

        • Ophelia Rump

          Do not be so hard on cheese, everyone likes cheese.

          • Jonnyb

            mmmm

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Li(7) + H(1) > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV no gamma
      very old physics

      • Pekka Janhunen

        However, there is the issue that the resulting alphas (although much more benign than neutrons, gammas or even protons) would still cause a small amount of secondary activation in the elements present in the reactor. For example, from http://www.oecd-nea.org/janis/book/book-alpha.pdf one can find that the cross section of reactions Al27(a,n)P30, Li7(a,n)B10, Ni58(a,p)Cu61,Ni62(a,n)Zn65 is roughly 0.1 barn at alpha energy of 8.5 MeV, i.e., half of 17 MeV (1 barn=1e-28 m^2). Stopping distance of 8 MeV alpha in nickel is about 20 microns, so at 0.1 barn cross section the moving alpha draws a volume of 2e-34 m^3 before stopping (most of the distance it travels near the original energy). There are about 1.8e-5 nickel nuclei in this volume, so a fraction ~1.8e-5 of the alphas would be expected to produce neutrons and other radioactive outcomes. As we know, such radioactivity was not observed in Bianchini’s measurements.

        Maybe the net reaction is indeed equivalent with Li7(p,a)He4, but the output energy somehow gets distributed over a larger number of alpha or other particles. Alpha-induced secondary activation is a rather steep function of alpha energy and is exactly zero below some activation threshold which depends on the reaction.

    • bachcole

      I have absolutely no problem with that. Now we need to figure out what is happening, and saying that Rossi and the professors are crooks and or incompetent won’t be an acceptable explanation for those of us who have known them well for the past 3.5 years.

  • dede

    That Phaeton Rudegard troll misquote (and the response) is hilarious

    • Ophelia Rump

      Felix Rends ripped him a new one!
      And a proper surgery it was.

  • Bernie777

    This is a physics Nobel laureate telling us LENR is being deliberately censored and not just by the “physics academic community”!!!!!

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    This is a physics Nobel laureate telling us LENR is being deliberately censored and not just by the “physics academic community”!!!!!

  • Ophelia Rump

    Felix Rends ripped him a new one!

  • Nixter

    Skeptics on other forums are saying that there is no proof that the Nature.com comment was made by the real Brian Josephson, is there any way to verify that the commenter was “THE”, one and only Brian Josephson?

    • ecatworld

      Yes, I have had contact with Brian Josephson, and can confirm he is the author of the statement.

      • Ophelia Rump

        You have become way too cool!

      • Nixter

        I believe it, but is there a link or anything that has info that confirms it, maybe ask him to make a comment about it on his blog if he has one?

  • Nixter

    Skeptics on other forums are saying that there is no proof that the Nature.com comment was made by the real Brian Josephson, is there any way to verify that the commenter was “THE”, one and only Brian Josephson?

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, I have had contact with Brian Josephson, and can confirm he is the author of the statement.

      • Ophelia Rump

        You have become way too cool!

      • Nixter

        I believe it, but is there a link or anything that has info that confirms it, maybe ask him to make a comment about it on his blog if he has one?

        • bachcole

          Brian Josephson has been supporting LENR+ development for a long time.

      • bachcole

        But <>, how do we know that you are telling the truth? How do we know that you are really Frank Acland?

        I fear that if we proceed any farther with this LENR+ development that we may drive some people into mental hospitals.

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    Brave man Mr. Josephson.

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    Brave man Mr. Josephson.

  • greggoble

    I suspect the isotropic shifts may be a bit complicated, pathways not yet fully understood. As understanding progresses we experience a steep peak, a logarithmic lifting of our minds with some wings.

    Anyways, Brian is sorta’ miffed, and I appreciate him saying so, the real reasons.

    Everyone is having a bit of fun looking at contemporary LENR technology patents, theorists, economists, and good ‘ol american nuclear society physicists. Cracking the ‘cold fusion’ puzzle is all the rave.

    On the pig issue… remember swine flu?

    Applied engineering, utilizing the thermal energetics, is picking up steam (so to speak).

    Nano-physics is new physics, with many elements exhibiting extremely different properties than previously known, we cannot proceed with decades old knowledge.

    Superspreaders of information, the Internet is such while Nature Magazine is not. The ‘press’ faces extinction, just as handwritten scientific works did when the printing press gained popularity. The next hundred years will see most of us gone and a new ‘perspective and experiential’ reality in place… exciting no?

    Concerns over what radiation is not observed seems irrelevant, within the lattice of nano matter, as what can be observed is of greater importance. Improvements in our ability to do so are always taking place. Why is it that the teensy teeny tiny is so interesting?

    Anyways, the patent list is growing and contributions to it are appreciated. Rossi has certainly stimulated disclosure and an acceleration of this field of science.

    Contemporary LENR Technology Patents – Popularly Known as Cold Fusion Energy

    http://gbgoble.kinja.com/contemporary-lenr-patents-popularly-known-as-cold-fus-1644173145

  • greggoble

    I suspect the isotropic shifts may be a bit complicated, pathways not yet fully understood. As understanding progresses we experience a steep peak, a logarithmic lifting of our minds with some wings.

    Brian is sorta’ miffed, and I appreciate him saying so, the real reasons.

    Everyone is having a bit of fun looking at contemporary LENR technology patents, theorists, economists, and good ‘ol american nuclear society physicists. Cracking the ‘cold fusion’ puzzle is all the rave.

    On the pig issue… remember swine flu?

    Applied engineering, utilizing the thermal energetics, is picking up steam (so to speak).

    Nano-physics is new physics, with many elements exhibiting extremely different properties than previously known, we cannot proceed with decades old knowledge.

    Superspreaders of information, the Internet is such while Nature Magazine is not. The ‘press’ faces extinction, just as handwritten scientific works did when the printing press gained popularity. The next hundred years will see most of us gone and a new ‘perspective and experiential’ reality in place… exciting no?

    Concerns over what radiation is not observed seems irrelevant, within the lattice of nano matter, as what can be observed is of greater importance. Improvements in our ability to do so are always taking place. Why is it that the teensy teeny tiny is so interesting?

    Anyways, the patent list is growing and contributions to it are appreciated. Rossi has certainly stimulated disclosure and an acceleration of this field of science.

    Contemporary LENR Technology Patents – Popularly Known as Cold Fusion Energy

    http://gbgoble.kinja.com/contemporary-lenr-patents-popularly-known-as-cold-fus-1644173145