Open Power Association Publishes Report on Production of Anomalous Heat and Electricity

The Italian Open Power Association has published the full text of a report it was hoping to present at the ICCF19 conference in Padua, Italy. The communication I received is prefaced with this remark:

As you can see in Our newsletter of April, in PDF attachment, the Committtee of ICCF19 decided not to give voice to the Open Science Research in Italy! And We of Open Power.

Do not Hide Our bitterness, disappointment and disbelief, for this decision, which has no scientific basis, in our opinion. We have already officially asked the reasons for this negative decision, but we are still waiting for feedback from the organization…

As it is in our style, and thanks to the Internet, we promptly decided to disclose the full text of what would be our intervention to ICCF19, if we had been invited. Also, last but not least, we also publish the full text of the patent connected and already filed.

The paper is titled, “Experimental Tests on Energy Localization: Anomalous Effects of High Voltage, Narrow Pulsed Electrical Discharges on Metal Powders, in Electrolysis and Gas” and is written by Ugo Abundo, A. Burgognoni, Q. Cuccioli, M. Di Lecce, P. Pieravanti, F. Santandrea, L. Saporito.

The report also included the text of a patent: “Apparatus and method for the production of energy by means of pulsed electro-compression of light elements in nanostructured ceramic-metallic composite matrices” which the association is filed “to protect Open Science against mere business: in prospective, free licenses will be distributed to selected major protagonists.”

The report can be read here: http://www.hydrobetatron.org/files/ICCF19_ABUNDO_Pubb.pdf

From the abstract:

“With the goal of determining the conditions to promote some anomalous effects (thermal and electrical) shown by metals in the presence of hydrogen gas or during electrolytic evolution, we focused the attention on the use of high voltage, narrow electric pulses, with low repetition rate, on small sized metal powders.

“The experimental data collected during the experimentation, relative to cathodes made from tungsten micrometric powders subjected to electrolytic regime (solutions of K2 CO3) at voltages up to 350 V and the average power of 200-300 W, show the spontaneous formation of pulses of high instantaneous power, up to 30 – 40 KW, in conjunction with abnormal development of heat.

“Moreover, we was able to perform a direct extraction of a part of the electric energy contained in such plasma pulsations, by a suitable circuit, inth e so called “negative resistance” region.”

  • Bob Matulis

    Read the conclusions and was unable to determine if a COP >1 was accomplished.

    • Sanjeev

      Slide#18 mentions a COP of 1.26 for one of the experiment. But as far as I know this is from some old experiment (hydrobetatron ?). Couldn’t find any mention of COP for their new arc reactor. The photos show that great amount of work and effort went into it, but its not clear (to me) what was achieved.

      Note that instantaneous power of 40KW for nanoseconds doesn’t mean that any excess energy was produced. The pulse can be of KW but since it lasts for a nanosecond, the energy will be almost nil. Its sad that they fail to give a proper COP. May be this caused the rejection of the paper from ICCF.

      I was hoping for some results from their E-Cat replication attempt, a really nice setup they had. I wonder why they got distracted by this arc and plasma thing.

      • Bob Matulis

        Great summary. Thanks. I agree they put a lot of effort in their tests. Will be interesting if and when they produce clear positive results.

  • Bob Matulis

    Read the conclusions and was unable to determine if a COP >1 was accomplished.

    • Sanjeev

      Slide#18 mentions a COP of 1.26 for one of the experiment. But as far as I know this is from some old experiment (hydrobetatron ?). Couldn’t find any mention of COP for their new arc reactor. The photos show that great amount of work and effort went into it, but its not clear (to me) what was achieved.

      Note that instantaneous power of 40KW for nanoseconds doesn’t mean that any excess energy was produced. The pulse can be of KW but since it lasts for a nanosecond, the energy will be almost nil. Its sad that they fail to give a proper COP. May be this caused the rejection of the paper from ICCF.

      I was hoping for some results from their E-Cat replication attempt, a really nice setup they had. I wonder why they got distracted by this arc and plasma thing.

      • Bob Matulis

        Great summary. Thanks. I agree they put a lot of effort in their tests. Will be interesting if and when they produce clear positive results.

      • Mark Underwood

        I like that they perform some experiments at a high school.

        I find the experiment iffy on several levels. One is the way that they measured the 40kW:

        “In the plasma phase, by recording and analyzing the electric and
        acoustic power oscillations induced by plasma, we find electric
        pulses, 10 – 20 nanoseconds long, carrying instantaneous power
        up to 40 KW, while the mean input power is about 200 W.”

        Specifically, just how is “electric and acoustic power” emanating from a volume of solution properly measured, and in such a short interval of time? What instrument(s) were used to do this, and what are the error margins? I don’t see that described.

        Changing the subject somewhat. I would like to see a similar experiment done using another electrolyte rather than potassium carbonate. Randy Mills of Blacklight power was doing similar experiments in the early 1990s using aqueous potassium carbonate, and both his theory and experiments showed that this was a catalyst for producing hydrinos.

  • Gerard McEk

    I do not see much evidence that I can understand to support further development. The presentation is very complex and not suitable to convince outsiders of this technology, maybe that is the reason not to allow it at the OCCF?

  • bachcole

    Oh my goodness! A divide forms in the ranks of the LENR supporters/promoters. Feelings are hurt. People are angry. Sides are taken. All of which retards the progress of LENR. I ask that all parties involved get over their hurt feelings, their anger, and their side taking and accept what happened in the past and get on with the job of pushing the most important technological advancement in the history of the world. You’ll feel better and LENR and the human race will thank you for it.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Those young folks are doing wonderful work. If they can get that 30-40 KW nanosecond pulse to drive a piston in a closed system, they could have an aqueous version of the Papp engine that could be hooked up to an electrical generator. Turn a Papp type engine upside down so that the piston is above the electrolyte solution. The adiabatic expansion of steam that would be generated in the nanoseconds pulse in a fixed amount of fluid would cool itself as it does work to move a piston (at least that’s what I think is happening in a Papp engine. See my comments here: http://coldfusionnow.org/plasma-engine-reproduced-now-optimizing-for-efficiency/
    And here is what Eugene Mallove had to say about the Papp engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvni1yvGmxc

    • Axil Axil

      The Papp engine produced more electric current than it used to produce the reaction. The engine had an even number of cylinders whereby each cylinder of the pair fired the other so that each acted as an over unity capacitor for the other.

      Papp had a circuit that controlled the flow of current between cylinders. When Feynman disabled this control circuit by pulling the plug to the control box, the overunity current flow gradually increased over some minutes without constraint from the control box until the engine exploded.

      • James Andrew Rovnak

        Yes Axil! All true!

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Those young folks are doing wonderful work. If they can get that 30-40 KW nanosecond pulse to drive a piston in a closed system, they could have an aqueous version of the Papp engine that could be hooked up to an electrical generator. Turn a Papp type engine upside down so that the piston is above the electrolyte solution. The adiabatic expansion of steam that would be generated in the nanoseconds pulse in a fixed amount of fluid would cool itself as it does work to move a piston (at least that’s what I think is happening in a Papp engine. See my comments here: http://coldfusionnow.org/plasma-engine-reproduced-now-optimizing-for-efficiency/
    And here is what Eugene Mallove had to say about the Papp engine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvni1yvGmxc

    • Axil Axil

      The Papp engine produced more electric current than it used to produce the reaction. The engine had an even number of cylinders whereby each cylinder of the pair fired the other so that each acted as an over unity capacitor for the other.

      Papp had a circuit that controlled the flow of current between cylinders. When Feynman disabled this control circuit by pulling the plug to the control box, the overunity current flow gradually increased over some minutes without constraint from the control box until the engine exploded.

      • bachcole

        People worship Feynman. But no matter the validity of the Papp engine, Feynman was illegally out of line and was responsible for the death of that person.

        • bkrharold

          I am one of those who have a very high regard for Feynman. First Bill Cosby, and now this. I can’t take much more

      • bachcole

        Coming from you, Axil^2, that means something to me.

        • Mark Underwood

          I’ve had an internal debate whether it should be Axil^2 or 2*Axil or Axil^Axil.
          Only when Axil = 2 are they all the same.

      • Toussaint françois

        Is there more research being done on this engine?

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Here is something from 2012 but I don’t know what’s happened since then.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1MsymF8hc

          • Axil Axil

            The real killer for the commercialization of the Papp engine is based on the fact that Papp used radium in the electrodes to gather excess current production. The electrodes or “pots” as Papp named them were hollow. These pots were filled with radium to produce intense alpha radiation when activated by arc discharge.

            http://www.amper.com.tr/the_radioactive_lightning_rods-167.htm

            This is a process that came from the technology that came from radioactive lightning rods that Papp took with him from Europe. It was said that Papp had a bottle of radium buried in his back yard that he brought with him from Europe to fuel his engine. To make the Papp engine a salable product, this “negative” current attraction must be relapsed with another current enhancement attraction technology that does not involve radioactivity.

            Papp knew that he could never get his engine approved because of the radiation that it produced. so he made an excellent living by attracting venture capital.

          • clovis ray

            so he made an excellent living by attracting venture capital.

            Papp’s did not have anything, but a con,

          • Axil Axil

            The Papp engine passed a independent third party test as ordered and controlled by the patent office and a patent was granted. A con could not have passed such a test.

          • clovis ray

            i don’t know where you been getting your info but, it all news to me, i have had a friend looking into the papp mess for years, himself and a group of like minded friends took up the papp, thing whatever you want to call it, and tried all kind of the latest experiments to no joy they went as far as building proto types. and from what i learned over the years is papp guy was a scammer, fraud, or just a thief . the main leader of this group was trying the same thing as papp, and all he got from his involvement was a visit from the FBI, they shut his as- down .

          • Axil Axil

            Was that the RWGresearch replication attempt by Russ Gries? That is where I got my info about the Papp engine because I worked on the Popper with Russ. Russ had to stop work on the Popper because he wanted to have more children and he was afraid of the radiation produced from the Popper.

            I have seen a copy of the affidavit that was signed by the Patent people who did the third party DYNO test on the Papp engine.

            From: http://rexresearch.com/papp/1papp.htm

            “The Mystery and Legacy of Joseph Papp’s Noble Gas Engine”

            by Eugene F. Mallove
            Copyright © 2003

            “Inert Gas Fuel, Fuel Preparation Apparatus and System for Extracting Useful Work from the Fuel,” applied for September 4, 1980, granted as U.S. #4,428,193, January 31, 1984, and assigned to Papp International, Inc. of Lincoln, Nebraska. This is a very lengthy patent, filled with many insights about how his sealed, non-cooled engine process may have worked.

            One of the high points of subsequent activity by Papp and his colleagues was the independent certification testing in 1983. Thanks to the late Dr. Paul Brown and to Jack Kneifl, I have had in my files for several years photocopies of the actual documentation of the certification test, which was done in Oklahoma. It has been circulating among those who have been interested in reviving the Papp technology, and includes Chemistry Professor Nolan’s impressive C.V. The affidavit is reprinted in Appendix A.
            ——————————————————–

            Get a back copy of infinite energy (see below) for the affidavit or Jed Rothwell may have a copy of the affidavit in his library.

            Issue 51
            September/October 2003
            Infinite Energy Magazine

          • clovis ray

            Does, John or bob, Roner, ring any bells.

          • Axil Axil

            John has trouble with the SEC, he never worked with Papp. Bob was part of the Papp engine build team and is now a replicator.

          • clovis ray

            yep, your correct, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
            did shut them down, and a raid , by FBI. took all data.
            but others have looked into this, as well and found absoluty nothing even remotely workable .

          • Axil Axil

            Only John was charged, Bob hated John and would have nothing to do with him.

          • clovis ray

            yep, that true, bob diden’t do anything wrong that i know of, Axil, what tees me off about these guys is they take from the integrity of our group, and should be exposed when ever they raise their heads.

          • Axil Axil

            Joe Papp was a bad man, a psychopath, and a nut. He taught the Rohners boys how to do the con. But this has nothing to do with the validity of the Papp engine. This engine was a marketing toll for the Papp con. That con was the best there has ever been because the engine worked. That engine could never has been turned into a personal energy product because it was radioactive but it could have been used as a micro nuclear reactor.

          • clovis ray

            OK, enough said on this, not the best topic, lol,

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Maybe Klostermann and Sanchez are onto something with their Pulser Plasma Engine.
            http://coldfusionnow.org/heinz-klostermann-on-the-papp-engine-there-should-be-a-marshall-plan-to-support-this/
            It uses air instead of noble gasses.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            PS
            It uses air instead of noble gasses.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNSAXbZfnbE

      • James Andrew Rovnak

        Yes Axil! All true!

  • Andy Kumar

    It is strange that they were rejected. What do you have to do to get respectability in LENR circles? It is like the outcast trying to exclude others. I recently happened to find the following psychology study.

    Three year olds continue to believe *repeated lies* told by trusted adults.
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/10/101014154755.htm

    The question occurred to me, if this group of LENR followers would have shown the same zealous support
    for Rossi, DGT and others if they had only *read about them in old style print journals* instead of watching Rossi in videos. Does Rossi’s old world charm and sense of sincerity and dedication he exudes, in any way influences the level of trust this group has.
    Please compare print versus video mode of communication.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yeah, we do see the general public (the children) respond this way to a “trusted adult”. Another example of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BemTGkjl6U

  • Freethinker

    The information is vague as to why.

    There is the question, what Open Power Association requested as in format, for partaking. It is not by itself given that you get to make an oral presentation at a conference. Maybe they rejected a poster slot.

    ICCF19 may prove to be a true pivot point in terms of MS science taking
    this seriously. Possibly the ones deciding the merits of participating
    material felt it did not have what it takes at the moment.

    Are the results so far convincing enough? Or is the main drive for the participation, presentation and a paper in the proceedings, to generate leverage in a patent application, and less on robust results and the science?

    Was there a fallout on matters like these?

    As weird as it seems, there would be a reason. So let’s not get over board on this. Let’s focus on the things that are actually presented there, and appreciate Ugo Abundo et.al’s presentation on the side. Good on them to make it public, any way.

    Side note:
    I tried to get a grip on the misc affiliations that are listed in the rejected presentation, and I found little or nothing about “J. Von Neumann Foundation” or the “Neural Calculus Lab”. Does anybody have info or good links on those two?

  • Freethinker

    The information is vague as to why.

    There is the question, what Open Power Association requested as in format, for partaking. It is not by itself given that you get to make an oral presentation at a conference. Maybe they rejected a poster slot.

    ICCF19 may prove to be a true pivot point in terms of MS science taking
    this seriously. Possibly the ones deciding the merits of participating
    material felt it did not have what it takes at the moment.

    Are the results so far convincing enough? Or is the main drive for the participation, presentation and a paper in the proceedings, to generate leverage in a patent application, and less on robust results and the science?

    Was there a fallout on matters like these?

    As weird as it seems, there would be a reason. So let’s not get over board on this. Let’s focus on the things that are actually presented there, and appreciate Ugo Abundo et.al’s presentation on the side. Good on them to make it public, any way.

    Side note:
    I tried to get a grip on the misc affiliations that are listed in the rejected presentation, and I found little or nothing about “J. Von Neumann Foundation” or the “Neural Calculus Lab”. Does anybody have info or good links on those two?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “ICCF19 may prove to be a true pivot point in terms of MS science taking this seriously.”

      I’ve be following this for 26 years. The opinions of Nobel laureates have been ignored. The only
      thing that put an end to the smug twerps’ “Please, may I have a cup of tea?” jokes was the E-Cat. Another ICCF conference won’t change anything. Rossi’s safety certification is everything. With that, he’ll be able to power the state of North Carolina with LENR and even then MS science will try their best to ignore it.

      • you are right.
        science is a myth, people just trust authorities, and funding… forget evidence.

        the business guys of oil, or industry, know since the 1990s, like the militaries, nuke, and the space agencies that LENR is real. they know also it was not usable at medium term until… until Rossi.

        now shell have done tech watch, airbus join the gang, MHI, toyota, Tohoku,UniMizzou, TTU, Statoil, prepare something…

        when it will be funded academic will believe their paycheck.

        evidence are overvalued… nobody cares of evidence in reality, except the businessman.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Charles Townes, the inventor of the maser was told that he was wasting his time when he was working on it.
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Townes
          And I think (I could be wrong) that one of people who said that he was wrong was even more pissed off at him after he received the Nobel Prize for it and wouldn’t speak to him.

          • Shechtman and his crystal pissed of no less than his boss the nobelized Linus Pauling.

            funny to hear all the crowd of wikiscientists claim it is exaggerated, while hearing the victim say it was very nasty…

            as what is saying one of the DNA inventor…

            funny to see people deny the reality of denial of innovation in science while Thomas Kuhn, historian, explain that history is regularly rewritten to hide those episodes…

            it is documented, but everybody claim the opposite…

            It remind me the fabled peer reviewed papers, the fabled results, the fabled autoradiography, the fabled COP, of LENR….

            all is done in public and it can be a fable

            http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors/i/Wrights/library/WrightSiAm1.html

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Yeah, sometimes some names are forgotten when Nobel Prizes are handed out. http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/1979/C3/c39790000866#!divAbstract

  • bkrharold

    If they have a working LENR system they should let an independent third party lime Mike McKubre test it, and publish the results. He has extensive experience in testing, and if it passes that would convince me

    • Mats002

      Yes and THEN he can present at ICCF.

  • bkrharold

    If they have a working LENR system they should let an independent third party lime Mike McKubre test it, and publish the results. He has extensive experience in testing, and if it passes that would convince me

    • Mats002

      Yes and THEN he can present at ICCF.

    • Robert Ellefson

      What makes you think McKubre would want to drop what he is doing in order to perform this replication? I’m reasonably confident that he is not just twiddling his thumbs right now.

      • bkrharold

        That is a good point. The open power device should be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as Rossi’s e-cat, before being endorsed by ICCF and the LENR community. It is up to them to provide the proof.

    • clovis ray

      ‘If they have a working LENR system they should’, take it and set up across the street, they just might be the only ones presenting, A real working device, if not, then they are just like all the rest, all show no go, lol

      • bkrharold

        Mike McKubre has tested and validated several other LENR devices.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Here is something from 2012 but I don’t know what’s happened since then.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS1MsymF8hc

    • Axil Axil

      The real killer for the commercialization of the Papp engine is based on the fact that Papp used radium in the electrodes to gather excess current production. The electrodes or pots as Papp named them were hollow. These pots were filled with radium to produce intense alpha radiation when activated by arc discharge.

      http://www.amper.com.tr/the_radioactive_lightning_rods-167.htm

      This is a process that came from the technology that came from radioactive lightning rods that Papp took with him from Europe. It was said that Papp had a bottle of radium buried in his back yard that he brought with him from Europe to fuel his engine. To make the Papp engine a salable product, this “negative” current attraction must be relapsed with another current enhancement attraction technology that does not involve radioactivity.

      Papp knew that he could never get his engine approved because of the radiation that it produced. so he made an excellent living by attracting venture capital.

  • bkrharold

    I am one of those who have a very high regard for Feynman. First Bill Cosby, and now this. I can’t take much more

  • Andy Kumar

    Open Source is the way to go. I don’t understand Rossi’s obsession with secrecy. He knows he can not hold on to his secrets once the cat is out. A lesson for him from history:

    A man has a very insecure tenure of a property which another can carry away with his eyes. A few months reduced me to the cruel necessity either of destroying my machine, or of giving it to the public. To destroy it, I could not think of; to give up that for which I had laboured so long, was cruel. I had no patent, nor the means of purchasing one. In preference to destroying, I gave it to the public.
    [On his inability to keep for himself a profitable income from his invention of the Spinning Mule.]
    — Samuel Crompton

    http://todayinsci.com/QuotationsCategories/I_Cat/Invention-Quotations.htm

  • you are right.
    science is a myth, people just trust authorities, and funding… forget evidence.

    the business guys of oil, or industry, know since the 1990s, like the militaries, nuke, and the space agencies that LENR is real. they know also it was not usable at medium term until… until Rossi.

    now shell have done tech watch, airbus join the gang, MHI, toyota, Tohoku,UniMizzou, TTU, Statoil, prepare something…

    when it will be funded academic will believe their paycheck.

    evidence are overvalued… nobody cares of evidence in reality, except the businessman.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Charles Townes, the inventor of the maser was told that he was wasting his time when he was working on it.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_H._Townes
      And I think (I could be wrong) that one of people who said that he was wrong was even more pissed off at him after he received the Nobel Prize for it and wouldn’t speak to him.

      • Shechtman and his crystal pissed of no less than his boss the nobelized Linus Pauling.

        funny to hear all the crowd of wikiscientists claim it is exaggerated, while hearing the victim say it was very nasty…

        as what is saying one of the DNA inventor…

        funny to see people deny the reality of denial of innovation in science while Thomas Kuhn, historian, explain that history is regularly rewritten to hide those episodes…

        it is documented, but everybody claim the opposite…

        It remind me the fabled peer reviewed papers, the fabled results, the fabled autoradiography, the fabled COP, of LENR….

        all is done in public and it can be a fable

        http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors/i/Wrights/library/WrightSiAm1.html

  • bkrharold

    That is a good point. The open power device should be subjected to the same level of scrutiny as Rossi’s e-cat, before being endorsed by ICCF and the LENR community. It is up to them to provide the proof.

  • bkrharold

    Mike McKubre has tested and validated several other LENR devices.

  • Axil Axil

    The Papp engine passed a independent third party test as ordered and controlled by the patent office and a patent was granted. A con could not have passed such a test.

  • Axil Axil

    Was that the RWGresearch replication attempt by Russ Griss

    • clovis ray

      Does, John or bob, Roner, ring any bells.

      • Axil Axil

        John has trouble with the SEC, he never worked with Papp. Bob was part of the Papp engine build team and is now a replicator.

        • Axil Axil

          Joe Papp was a bad man and a nut. He taught the Rohners boys how to do the con. But this has nothing to do with the validity of the Papp engine. This engine was a marketing toll for the Papp con. That con was the best there has ever been because the engine worked. That engine could never has been turned into a personal energy product because it was radioactive but it could have been used as a micro nuclear reactor.

          • clovis ray

            OK, enough said on this, not the best topic, lol,

  • Axil Axil

    Only John was charged, Bob hated John and would have nothing to do with him.