Louis DeChiaro of US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) on Replicating Pons and Fleischmann

Thanks to Adrian Ashfield for sharing this information with me who tells me this information comes from the research notes of Louis F. DeChiaro, Ph.D, a physicist with the US Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA), Dahlgren Warfare Center. I am told this text has been cleared for public dissemination.

As for duplicating the Pons and Fleischmann results, we now have a much better understanding of the phenomenon, and the list of prerequisite conditions is rather lengthy. Failure to meet even one of those conditions results in zero excess energy output. The data suggest that there may be more than one initiation mechanism, so I’m most qualified to comment upon what is known as the atomic vibrational LENR initiation mechanism (because my formal background is in Condensed Matter Physics). If one had to summarize the list in a fairly brief manner, I would write it as follows:

1. It is necessary to set up conditions favoring the formation of molecular hydrogen (H2 or D2) inside the solid lattice for a certain range of possible values of lattice constant and for some fraction of the allowed values for electron momentum. This condition alone rules out almost ALL the elemental , because the electron density is just too large to permit molecules to form, except near vacancies in the lattice where a metal atom is absent.

2. The overall hydrogen loading fraction (ratio of hydrogen to palladium atoms, for example) must exceed the minimum threshold of about 0.88, otherwise the “party” never even gets started. Achieving this level of loading in Pd is not trivial.

3. Conditions must be set up (by appropriate choice of materials parameters and achieved by the right kind of alloying) so that these hydrogen molecules can be caused to break up and then re-assemble very rapidly in a periodic time sequence when an appropriate physical quantity such as background electric charge, magnetic field, etc. is made to oscillate periodically over a small range.

4. The critical value of lattice constant at which this break up and reassembly occurs must lie very close to the nominal value of lattice constant for which the ground state energy of the lattice is minimal. This requirement alone rules out essentially all of the elemental lattices and about 99% of the binary and ternary alloys.

5. A departure from equilibrium must be established that will permit an external energy source (eg. the DC power supply in an electrolysis experiment and/or a pair of low power lasers as in the Letts/Hagelstein two laser experiment) to feed energy into the H-H or D-D stretching mode vibrations. The difference in chemical potential that is established in gas loading experiments can also serve very nicely; in this case the flux feeds energy into the stretching mode vibrations.

6. The nature of the lattice must permit these stretching mode vibrations to grow so large (over a period of perhaps many nanoseconds) that their amplitude becomes comparable to the lattice constant. When this occurs, the H atoms oscillate so violently that at the instants of closest approach, the curvature of the parabolic energy wells in which the atomic nuclei vibrate will become perturbed. Thus the curvature of the well oscillates as a periodic function of time. These very large amplitude vibrations are known as superoscillations in the Western literature and as “discrete breathers” in the Ukrainian literature. Under the right conditions, these oscillations can grow without impacting the atoms, which are much more massive than the hydrogens. We explored this computationally via Density Functional Molecular Dynamics runs.

7. When the curvatures of the parabolic energy wells of the nuclei are modulated at a frequency very near the natural resonant frequency, the quantum expectation value of the nuclear wave function spatial spread will oscillate with time in such a way that the positive-going peaks grow exponentially with time. Originally, I found this idea in the Ukrainian literature and was skeptical. So, we verified it by doing a direct numerical solution of the time-dependent Schrodinger Equation for a single nuclear particle in a parabolic energy well. These oscillations in spatial spread will periodically delocalize the nucleus and facilitate the tunneling of adjacent nuclei into the Strong Force attractive nuclear potential well, giving rise to nuclear fusion at rates that are several tens of orders of magnitude larger than what one calculates via the usual Gamow Factor integral relationship.

Almost none of this material was obvious back in 1989. Without knowing what one is doing and why it works, the probability of achieving successful results via the so-called Edisonian method of trial and error is disappointingly low. Reasonable scientists and engineers can be forgiven for their difficulty in believing that there might exist ANY circumstances under which such things could be possible. And to be blunt, it was only in the last few months that the causal chain finally became clear.

An old saying holds that it is easy to appear tall when standing on the shoulders of giants. My colleagues and I are most humbly grateful to have been given the opportunity to stand on the shoulders of such giants, however briefly.

I would also suggest that some praise might be due to people like Andrea Rossi, who (by and large) had little alternative but to employ the Edisonian method and nevertheless appear to have obtained positive results. We have run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on our best guess of Rossi’s alloy material. It satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Nickel does not.

In like manner, the Naval Research Labs (NRL) ran over 300 experiments using pure Pd cathodes, all of them yielding negative results. Then somebody suggested that NRL should try an alloy of 90% Pd and 10% Rh. The very first such alloy cathode they tried yielded over 10,000 Joules of excess thermal energy – all from less than 1 gram of cathode material. I ran Density Functional Theory simulations on that alloy, and it, too, satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Pd and pure Rh do not.

NRL christened this cathode with the name Eve, after the obvious Biblical analogy. I’m pleased to share the news that Eve had a number of “sisters” who produced equal and even greater excess thermal energy, among a number of other more interesting effects. Finally, I can observe that the materials simulations now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and estimate its level of LENR activity. We have good correlations between the simulation results and the known levels of experimentally-determined LENR activity in a number of different alloys whose dominant elements come from the Transition Metal Group of the Periodic Table. Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material released for publication to the general public over the next few weeks.

  • catfish

    The information hydrogen loading really starts to explain why it’s been so hard for MFMP and Celani to have consistent replicaitons, but maybe it will become steadily easier, now.

  • catfish

    The information hydrogen loading really starts to explain why it’s been so hard for MFMP and Celani to have consistent replicaitons, but maybe it will become steadily easier, now.

  • US_Citizen71

    “We have run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on our best guess of Rossi’s alloy material. It satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Nickel does not.” – I think this might be the biggest lead yet for replicators. But, what Nickel alloy is it?

    • Sanjeev

      IF he is right, and Rossi uses an alloy rather than pure Ni, then this itself will be a big revelation. I guess it can be Ni-Li or it can be Ni-Fe.

      • ss dd

        Ni-Al ?

        • Axil Axil

          Why is palladium loading so inportant? These is a treshold in loading when reached the begins the production of nanoparticles of hydrogen, In this study, those nanoparticles are called clusters.

          http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/Wolf.html

          Quote:

          “Onset of the beta phase in palladium hydride at 300 degrees Kelvin. This phase change occurs as the concentration of hydrogen atoms (yellow) in the palladium (purple) increases. At early stages (the alpha phase), hydrogen atoms randomly populate small interstices in the lattice structure. At a critical point, the lattice expands, allowing hydrogen to cluster at higher density, as visualized here. This image shows the lattice from the (001) direction.”

          http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/neat3-sm.GIF

        • Sanjeev

          or Ni-C (carbonyl Ni). All wild guesses at this time.

  • US_Citizen71

    “We have run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on our best guess of Rossi’s alloy material. It satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Nickel does not.” – I think this might be the biggest lead yet for replicators. But, what Nickel alloy is it?

    • Sanjeev

      IF he is right, and Rossi uses an alloy rather than pure Ni, then this itself will be a big revelation. I guess it can be Ni-Li or it can be Ni-Fe.

      • ss dd

        Ni-Al ?

        • Sanjeev

          or Ni-C (carbonyl Ni). All wild guesses at this time.

  • Yeay!

    They will make a publication. Hopefully in a big journal.

    It looks like they found a way to theoretically identifiy the keypoints of a good LENR fuel and they were able to validate these theoretical results by experimental results.

    When I understood correctly, then this paper could be the biggest event since Fleischmann and Pons!

    • Ged

      Yes, this is incredible. It takes the main initiation method we’ve mostly all been looking at, and then uses simulation methods not only to identify parameters that fit the available data, but which predicted new experiments that would work according to theory behind the simulation, and it did.

      This is a seminal result! The ability to analyze and systematically predict LENR materials and conditions blows the whole field wide open. This is the “theory” that has been lacking, as now predictions rather than educated guesses based on observations can guide experiments.

      The closest we got to this on the MFMP website some years ago was noticing that all the materials reported to have LENR activity were FCC lattice structures or closely related with a particularly range of lattice distances (e.g. Ni, Pd, W)–but there was no way we could expand our ideas past that back then (I didn’t have the skill or knowledge to pursue the math and dynamics further). This work does, and goes all the way with their dynamic simulations.

      Next step is to start applying these ideas in replications, particularly after publication, to test and validate thus further. And to explore other possible initiation methods.

      • Jarea

        Maybe this early announcement has something to do with the Airbus announcement of a theory breakthrough in LENR. They wanted to show this month. Maybe Navsea want to be the first releasing the theory.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    I’m wondering how the lack of radiation comes about in this scenario.

    • Ged

      Good question. Though, purhaps this ends up being the same ultradense-like situation that guides the radiation less muon generating method. Just instead of laser pressure, you get lattice resonance pressure.

  • radvar

    Goosebumps!

  • Bob Greenyer

    oooo – now you have my attention.

    epi-catalysis – just like Celani says

    • Ged

      Those dang FCC lattices with their peculiar atomic distance ranges and vibrational constants! Obvioisly, what I just said there is like saying the sky is blue, while this work describes the why and how. Gotta test it to see if it really pans out universally.

      Edit: this is really exciting; a solid prediction platform to test is the critical core of a fully functional theory.

  • Gerard McEk

    Great!!!!!!! Finally we are starting to understand LENR!!!

  • radvar

    The Article
    Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) Phenomena and Potential Applications
    Louis F. DeChiaro, Ph.D. Physicist
    September 23, 2015

    http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Attachment/386-IEEE-brief-DeChiaro-9-2015-pdf/

    Wow!

    • Sanjeev

      That links to the presentation.
      Hopefully we will see an official link somewhere soon.

      • Jarea

        The last sentence is very promising:

        “Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material released for publication to the general public over the next few weeks.”

        Maybe they want to do it before Airbus announce their theoretical breakthrough. Or do they want to do that together?
        Very very good news today!

  • deleo77

    What’s funny is that Rossi has said that he was never able to replicate P&F but he did use their methodologies to gain an understanding of the basic reaction.

  • radvar
  • Sanjeev

    I’m pleasantly shocked, this is big. This is bigger than their presentation at IEEE. In fact this announcement is as big as F&P’s and Rossi’s announcement of their discoveries.

    So pleased to see a great breakthrough in theory and simulation of LENR. This will surely make things easier. Bonus is that we have an on demand replication of F&P now.

    • Agaricus

      I agree – this could be an important ‘milestone’, especially if details of the theoretical method for evaluating probable CF activity are released in the promised publication: “…the materials simulations now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and estimate its level of LENR activity.

      Time to take another look at the analyses of Rossi’s fuel for potential alloyed metals other than those in the alkali group (iron?, copper?).

  • Sanjeev

    I’m pleasantly shocked, this is big. This is bigger than their presentation at IEEE. In fact this announcement is as big as F&P’s and Rossi’s announcement of their discoveries.

    So pleased to see a great breakthrough in theory and simulation of LENR. This will surely make things easier. Bonus is that we have an on demand replication of F&P now.

    • bachcole

      I agree. This really is GINORMOUS. This may be bigger than anything since F&P.

    • bachcole

      Yes, but Rossi has been the main force driving people to take a second look at F&P’s work and cold fusion in general. Without Rossi, this here would not have happened.

    • bachcole

      I agree. This really is GINORMOUS. This may be bigger than anything since F&P.

    • I agree – this could be an important ‘milestone’, especially if details of the theoretical method for evaluating probable CF activity are released in the promised publication: “…the materials simulations now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and estimate its level of LENR activity.

      Time to take another look at the analyses of Rossi’s fuel for potential alloyed metals other than those in the alkali group (iron? chromium? copper?).

      ON EDIT: On reading down the thread I see that Barty and Ged have already made the point about the importance of a method for predicting good LENR lattice alloys.

  • magicsnd1

    I recently found in the GS4 tests that liquid Li or Li-Al alloy will dissolve or etch pure Ni at temperatures far below the melting point of nickel. The image shows the nickel foil fuel capsule removed from the GS4.1 cell after about 12 hours of heating with LiAlH4.

    Analysis of a piece of the foil showed it to be pure nickel, so the surface change is due to material removal rather than added Li or Al metal.This suggests that the active alloy may contain both Ni and Li. Further experiment to explore this is planned.

    • Ecco

      Molten lithium is very corrosive to nickel metal.

      http://i.imgur.com/RVJm4Qz.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        So – it could be forming an alloy – with particle / cluster formation.

        As we found in “Bang!” EDX – the coating (Li Al H2) showed dissolved Ni.

        • Ecco

          Perhaps after prolonged exposure of nickel powder in a relatively large amount of liquid lithium at high temperature you will find that it will have completely dissolved in it, with little remaining of the starting material.

          • Bob Greenyer

            and potentially – nano clusters of Nickel may form – in the right lower and upper cluster sizes as per Piantelli.

          • bkrharold

            “Finally, I can observe that the materials simulations now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and estimate its level of LENR activity. ”

            This is great news. Finally a solid theoretical basis for evaluating lattices for LENR activity. When the results are published we should see an explosion of activity. The fossil fuel industry will become a fossil itself, and any business that is left behind in the coming race to exploit LENR, will soon be extinct. It looks the breakthrough we have all been waiting for is finally happening.

          • bkrharold

            There have been reports that various goverment agencies were working on LENR. They even published some papers on the subject a few years ago. Then they went completely dark, and it was reported they were no longer doing research. I assumed they had been silenced like so many other brave souls. I am delighted with this unexpected turn of events. The depth and scope of their discoveries is breathtaking in its detail. Rossi spent years of trial and error to discover the ecat. This work that is soon to be published should speed up the process, and hopefully help to optimize it to a point where Gigawatts of electricity can be generated safely and cheaply. In a few weeks the mainstream media will be falling over themselves to interview Rossi, and we will have entered the new era. This new branch of physics may also have many other practical applications that will make life better for millions.

          • Axil Axil

            This is a confusing result. Pure palladium does not work here, but is does work 100% of the time for co deposition of palladium hydride. But when 10% Rh is added to palladium, the reaction works. What makes 10% Rh like co disposition?

            Does co disposition produce Discrete Breathers? How does it happen that way?

          • Bob Greenyer

            some of the topics are discussed in our “how to make the right catalyst” and related documents.

          • Ged

            Doping (small percentage of some element mixed with a nearly pure one) a lattice is a well known method to get all sorts of bizarre and unexpected behavior otherwise impossible for the pure material. This is used heavily in the semiconductor industry, for instance. Many times the effect of doping is conferred by the physical deformities and warping of the lattice that the dopant causes. That is likely what is happening here.

        • Da Phys

          Wow. Dubinko’s theory has been one of the most appealing theory because in full continuation of Hagelstein’s approach of the 1990’s with the introduction of anharmonicity as a critical factor to produce large amplitude vibrations. The nice addition here by DeChiaro is the confirmation of this effect through computer simulations and, apparently, experiments as well. The possibility to optimize the system through computer simulations is extremely interesting, this may be a game changer in CF/LENR history.

          A nice aspect of Dubinko’s theory is that it can explain the experimental results found with both PD/D and NI/H systems. Last year I postulated that the adsorption (or even absorption) of Li can facilitate the anharmonicity required to produce these large amplitude vibrations. What is interesting in the Hot-Cat is that H loading, although partial and limited to the Ni surface, is effective at low temperature, while the release of Li happens at a higher temperature when the first layers of Ni are already loaded with H- anions. The thermal decomposition LiAlH4 is perfect in that sense, full credit goes to Rossi for that.

          Now, if we take the best of Piantelli’s theory, that is a lattice composed of H- anions, together with the anharmonic large amplitude vibrations of Dubinko’s (rather than the “H- ejection” assumption of Piantelli), add to this some Li+ ions as first done by F&P but only mastered technically by Rossi, we may find the ultimate theory, and in turn, LENR system.

          • Gerard McEk

            You seem a physisist Da Phys, can I ask you some questions about the article?
            1. What does Louise mean with: ” This condition alone rules out almost ALL the elemental” (point 1)
            2. Is it required that Ni and Li are alloyed, or can also other elements be used?
            3. Is it possible that also hydrogen fuses with hydrogen, or just lithium and hydrogen.
            4. Can you explain the isotopical shift of nickel, (Lugano test), based on this artickel?
            Thanks, Gerard

          • wpj

            If you read Rossi’s interview, he says not to read too much into the Ni isotope shift from the Lugano report as there was only 2mg taken from 1g of sample. He says that there is an on-going analysis of the bulk.

            Point (1) of yours is that, probably, the lattice with pure elements is too regular while the alloys have the lattice broken up with other metals incorporated. This makes the processes easier to take place.

            Point (3) is also discussed in the Rossi interview.

          • Da Phys

            I’m indeed a physicist but no expert in this field.
            1. A word is probably missing after the adjective elemental: elemental lattices ?
            2. I’m not sure I understand your question because Ni and Li don’t “alloy”. This theory suggests that the hydride or deuteride sponge must fulfil some conditions, something not surprising because we most probably have a resonant system. IMO it is not by chance that the ratios of the atomic masses H/Ni and D/Pd are similar, we need a light atom that vibrates in a lattice formed by heavier atoms.
            3. Don’t know. WOuld love to know the answer to that question.
            4. The isotopic shift mentioned in the Lugano report cannot be (readily) explained by this theory, at least not without additional assumptions. On a side note, I don’t trust much the results of the Lugano test.

          • Gerard McEk

            Thanks.
            Regarding 2: I would assume that lithium is also in the DB, how else can a proton fuse with the lithium? BTW, an interesting remark regarding the ratio/resonance frequencies.
            Regarding 3: I assume that these DB resonances will also bring the Ni atoms very near together. Maybe so near that also neutrons may ‘tunnel’ from one to the other Ni atom. Because Ni62 is the most stable, I just thought they may all tend to Ni62. Is that a bad idea?

  • magicsnd1

    I recently found in the GS4 tests that liquid Li or Li-Al alloy will dissolve or etch pure Ni at temperatures far below the melting point of nickel. The image shows the nickel foil fuel capsule removed from the GS4.1 cell after about 12 hours of heating with LiAlH4.

    Analysis of a piece of the foil showed it to be pure nickel, so the surface change is due to material removal rather than added Li or Al metal.This suggests that the active alloy may contain both Ni and Li. Further experiment to explore this is planned.

    • Ecco

      Molten lithium is very corrosive to nickel metal.

      http://i.imgur.com/RVJm4Qz.jpg

      • Bob Greenyer

        So – it could be forming an alloy – with particle / cluster formation.

        As we found in “Bang!” EDX – the coating (Li Al H2) showed dissolved Ni.

        • Ecco

          Perhaps after prolonged exposure of nickel powder in a relatively large amount of liquid lithium at high temperature you will find that it will have completely dissolved in it, with little remaining of the starting material.

          It might be a brute force way for “regenerating nanoparticles”.

          • Bob Greenyer

            and potentially – nano clusters of Nickel may form – in the right lower and upper cluster sizes as per Piantelli.

          • Axil Axil

            This is a confusing result. Pure palladium does not work here, but is does work 100% of the time for co deposition of palladium hydride. But when 10% Rh is added to palladium, the reaction works. What makes 10% Rh like co disposition?

            Does co disposition produce Discrete Breathers? How does it happen that way?

          • Bob Greenyer

            some of the topics are discussed in our “how to make the right catalyst” and related documents.

          • Ged

            Doping (small percentage of some element mixed with a nearly pure one) a lattice is a well known method to get all sorts of bizarre and unexpected behavior otherwise impossible for the pure material. This is used heavily in the semiconductor industry, for instance. Many times the effect of doping is conferred by the physical deformities and warping of the lattice that the dopant causes. That is likely what is happening here.

  • bachcole

    {oh wow}^11. More {wows}^3.141592654 This is so great.

    This might not be so great for Andrea Rossi, unless he can integrate this knowledge into his thinking and projects quickly. In which case, he is still ahead. I want him and his investors to be rewarded.

  • bachcole

    Could someone in 3 sentences tell me what Dr. DeChario said about the actual process? I promise that I will read his version again, but it was sort of over my head.

  • bfast

    I love the rich detail of this post. Clearly Louis DeChario has done the work. His affiliation with NAVSEA certainly adds credibility to his findings.

  • Kristian

    The combination (and agreement) of theory, computational simulation, and experiment in this note, combined with a credible affiliation, makes this an incredibly interesting development!

  • Bob Greenyer

    like… happy day!

    • Curbina

      So I take I was not wrong when I thought MFMP people would be salivating all over these juicy revelations? 😉

  • Mcihel

    Skeptopaths on suicide watch!

  • bachcole

    Typing just doesn’t express the excitement that I feel. I am going to have to go outside and do some gardening or else I am going to explode.

    Tell me, did Dr. DeChario say that using their theory that they got 100% replication. I think that I got that, but I am not sure. Help me out here. I tried re-reading it, and the actual process with the holes and the electrons is pretty freaking thick.

    • bkrharold

      Yes it is extremely exciting. O happy day. Dr DeChario wrote that it is possible to run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on any alloy to reliably predict LENR activity.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Frank, is this information legit? Can the person who provided it be trusted?

    • AdrianAshfield

      I don’t go for spoofs. It would be hard to make that stuff up anyway.
      Also, I post under my real name.

      • Teemu Soilamo

        My apologies. But you must understand, I’m not super well-informed and therefore can’t deduce the reliability of each source by myself.

      • Wishful Thinking Energy

        Adrian, can you tell us any more info on how these notes came into your possession? Did you attend the recent presentation by Dr. DeChario at Teradyne.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks Adrian… I’d second the call for understanding where the text above came from.

        • AdrianAshfield

          Bob, They came from a private discussion with someone who had received the text, but wished to remain anonymous for work related reasons. He had received authorization to make them public.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hi Adrian, Thanks for the detail.

            I will back reference if possible to people we know at the NRL.

      • if only eetom could see you now!

        • AdrianAshfield

          I wish! I just ran across some stale posts of his on http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy and replied. Had’t seen him around for a while.

          • wade_owen_watts

            Where did you get the information from, Adrian?

          • He’s squirming I’m sure. I hope he’s lurking around here and sees how nicely you broke a whopper!

  • pg

    I don t want to sound bad, but it feels like Prof. DeChiaro is giving a personal reading of the LENR field, not a NAVSEA one.
    I hope I am wrong

    • Agaricus

      I doubt he did the work on which his report is based on his kitchen table.

      • pg

        Ok, I am just saying that it does not look like it is a NAVSEA endorsed LENR position, but the personal opinion of a person that is working inside NAVSEA. That’s all.

        • Warthog

          Look at the header in his slides. Use of that logo basically constitutes an endorsement by NAVSEA of what he is presenting as representing NAVSEA’s position on the subject.

          • My opinion, on navsea, Navy, Nasa, Airbus, ENEA, INFN, Shell, STMicro who have their logo on LENR presentations is not that it mean an endorsement of what is in the slides.
            To be clear in all big organisations there is massive opposition to LENR
            it is a tolerance granted to “executive” or “fellow executives” to give their opinion in public, not because everybody agrees, but because the competence of the authors are so much recognized that the company as a human structure agrees that it may be wrong in opposing.
            Privilege of the King’s Jester

            There is massive opposition against LENR scientists in ENEA, INFN, but also Nasa, Airbus, STM… but there is also noticeable supports by insiders, discretely…
            Big organisations should not be considered as a coherent entity.
            it is a network of selfish interests, sometime converging, sometime coordinated more or less locally, sometime supported by ideology and altruism…

            Navy don’t support LENR. the executives of Navsea, the Darpa funding committees, Nasa executives, agreed to let few maverick authors experiment and publish on LENR.
            Some may even lobby the opponents to let it happen, negotiating discretion.

          • Warthog

            I can’t agree. Look at the “footer” as well. This means that the contents of the talk have been vetted by NAVSEA upper management and approved for release.

            There may be opposition (of a certainty), but this indicates strong support on the part of at least “some” high level players.

          • the content have been approved by NavSea PR you are right., but this does not mean a positive endorsement, a general strategy.
            It just meant they let it be published…
            Maybe cowardly, maybe to avoid trouble, maybe to avoid being judged as deluded later… But this does not mean that LENR is a main plan.

            It is tolerated, but not used in most decisions.

            I am shocked to see many company, many governments, who clearly invest in LENR, watch LENR, are godwilling for LENR startups, have a clearly LENR-unaware big strategy in the newspapers.

            see:
            http://www.economist.com/events-conferences/emea/energy-summit-2015

            pathetic, no?

            I know they know, but… they behave as if their don’t know.

  • pg

    I don t want to sound bad, but it feels like Prof. DeChiaro is giving a personal reading of the LENR field, not a NAVSEA one.
    I hope I am wrong

    • I doubt he did the work on which his report is based on his kitchen table.

      • pg

        Ok, I am just saying that it does not look like it is a NAVSEA endorsed LENR position, but the personal opinion of a person that is working inside NAVSEA. That’s all.

        • Warthog

          Look at the header in his slides. Use of that logo basically constitutes an endorsement by NAVSEA of what he is presenting as representing NAVSEA’s position on the subject.

          • My opinion, on navsea, Navy, Nasa, Airbus, ENEA, INFN, Shell, STMicro who have their logo on LENR presentations is not that it mean an endorsement of what is in the slides.
            To be clear in all big organisations there is massive opposition to LENR
            it is a tolerance granted to “executive” or “fellow executives” to give their opinion in public, not because everybody agrees, but because the competence of the authors are so much recognized that the company as a human structure agrees that it may be wrong in opposing.
            Privilege of the King’s Jester

            There is massive opposition against LENR scientists in ENEA, INFN, but also Nasa, Airbus, STM… but there is also noticeable supports by insiders, discretely…
            Big organisations should not be considered as a coherent entity.
            it is a network of selfish interests, sometime converging, sometime coordinated more or less locally, sometime supported by ideology and altruism…

            Navy don’t support LENR. the executives of Navsea, the Darpa funding committees, Nasa executives, agreed to let few maverick authors experiment and publish on LENR.
            Some may even lobby the opponents to let it happen, negotiating discretion.

          • Warthog

            I can’t agree. Look at the “footer” as well. This means that the contents of the talk have been vetted by NAVSEA upper management and approved for release.

            There may be opposition (of a certainty), but this indicates strong support on the part of at least “some” high level players.

          • the content have been approved by NavSea PR you are right., but this does not mean a positive endorsement, a general strategy.
            It just meant they let it be published…
            Maybe cowardly, maybe to avoid trouble, maybe to avoid being judged as deluded later… But this does not mean that LENR is a main plan.

            It is tolerated, but not used in most decisions.

            I am shocked to see many company, many governments, who clearly invest in LENR, watch LENR, are godwilling for LENR startups, have a clearly LENR-unaware big strategy in the newspapers.

            see:
            http://www.economist.com/events-conferences/emea/energy-summit-2015

            pathetic, no?

            I know they know, but… they behave as if their don’t know.

  • Ecco

    Pd-Rh, as in catalytic converters?
    Good job, but I can’t help but feel that they’re complicating the uncomplicated.

    • Agaricus

      I think that is DeChiaro’s thesis – that the conditions for CF ARE complicated. That would certainly explain why meticulous researchers such as MFMP tend to produce null results, while ‘Edisonian’ experimenters sometimes get lucky.

      • Ecco

        Storms’ conclusions on his ‘nano-crack’ theory testing performed in the past three months suggest otherwise, even with pure Pd cathodes seemingly impossible to activate in the case of DeChiaro:

        http://lenrexplained.com/2015/10/conclusion-key-to-understanding-fpe-is-temperature/

        • Ged

          DeChiaro does say there seems to be multiple initiation methods, and his work is focused on a specific one. So, possibly apples to oranges.

  • Ecco

    Pd-Rh, as in catalytic converters?
    Good job, but I can’t help but feel that they’re complicating the uncomplicated.

    • I think that is DeChiaro’s thesis – that the conditions for CF ARE complicated. That would certainly explain why meticulous researchers such as MFMP often produce null results, while ‘Edisonian’ experimenters sometimes get lucky.

      • Ecco

        Storms’ conclusions on his ‘nano-crack’ theory testing performed in the past three months suggest otherwise, even with pure Pd cathodes seemingly impossible to activate in the case of DeChiaro:

        http://lenrexplained.com/2015/10/conclusion-key-to-understanding-fpe-is-temperature/

        • Ged

          DeChiaro does say there seems to be multiple initiation methods, and his work is focused on a specific one. So, possibly apples to oranges.

  • Curbina

    Upon finishing reading this, I can’t help but saying that it seems that this means that LENR has been taken farm more seriously and subject to far much more research than would have been obvious from an outsider point of view. The summary given reads like it was developed after painstakingly researching all material properties. I wonder what other researchers think of these points, I bet MFMP team is salivating (in the good way). 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      Oh yeh. I expect Pons knows by now. Mathieu Valat > J-P B >…

      And Martin’s granddaughter will know soon enough as she is an avid follower of the MFMP FB.

      Happy day

  • Curbina

    Upon finishing reading this, I can’t help but saying that it seems that this means that LENR has been taken far more seriously and subject to far much more research than would have been obvious from an outsider to the Navy R&D programs point of view. The summary given reads like it was developed after painstakingly researching all material properties. I wonder what other researchers think of these points, I bet MFMP team is salivating (in the good way). 🙂

    • Bob Greenyer

      Oh yeh. I expect Pons knows by now. Mathieu Valat > J-P B >…

      And Martin’s granddaughter will know soon enough as she is an avid follower of the MFMP FB.

      Happy day

  • Claude Couture

    B R I L L I A N T !

  • Axil Axil

    Visualization of a discrete breather, a localized superoscillation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMimi8aA1oY

    How were these oscillations detected experimentally?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Nice find Axil

    • AdrianAshfield

      Axil,
      I doubt they were observed. I think they are more of a theoretical calculation that explains things

  • US_Citizen71

    I wonder if the lattice is Inconel as a nano powder? It has many of the trace elements seen in the fuel and ash of the Lugano Report.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inconel

  • Slightly Skeptic

    Where is Mary Ohno? Does he/she have much negative to say about this researcher and his organization?

    The stone may be turned over at last.

    • Jarea

      FYI
      Maryyugo is George Hody. Please see the following link.
      http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy/pseudoskepticism-skeptopathy-cryptodenialism-rossi-ecat/

      • Yep – he’ll be all over this wherever it appears, like a fly on a fresh t*rd. Not here though, hopefully.

      • Perhaps someone might similarly reveal the real identity of Axil Axil… that individual pontificates effusive braggadacio as a ‘pundit’ on the topic of cold fusion and lenr and in doing so creates a dank cloud distracting focus from earnest experimentalists working in the field.

        • Jarea

          Interesting view! At least, Axil Axil do contributions pro LENR. XD

        • Axil Axil

          fortis Fortuna adiuvat

    • tchernik

      I’ve seen some self appointed skeptics doing a convincing imitation of a suffocating carp in reddit and other sites.

      Seems like a too strong an addiction to being right can cause such displays of hyperventilation, when the sufferer suspects he was in fact, wrong.

  • bkrharold

    “Finally, I can observe that the materials simulations now make it fairly easy to evaluate any given solid lattice material and estimate its level of LENR activity. ”

    This is great news. Finally a solid theoretical basis for evaluating lattices for LENR activity. When the results are published we should see an explosion of activity. The fossil fuel industry will become a fossil itself, and any business that is left behind in the coming race to exploit LENR, will soon be extinct. It looks the breakthrough we have all been waiting for is finally happening.

    • bachcole

      “It looks the breakthrough we have all been waiting for is finally happening.” And from the most unexpected place. I really didn’t think that they were interested. I guess we could call it a bias against conspiracy theories. I could be called an anti-conspiracy theorist.

      • Owen Geiger

        So you expect government agencies to reveal what they’re secretly working on???

    • bkrharold

      There have been reports that various goverment agencies were working on LENR. They even published some papers on the subject a few years ago. Then they went completely dark, and it was reported they were no longer doing research. I assumed they had been silenced like so many other brave souls. I am delighted with this unexpected turn of events. The depth and scope of their discoveries is breathtaking in its detail. Rossi spent years of trial and error to discover the ecat. This work that is soon to be published should speed up the process, and hopefully help to optimize it to a point where Gigawatts of electricity can be generated safely and cheaply. In a few weeks the mainstream media will be falling over themselves to interview Rossi, and we will have entered the new era. This new branch of physics may also have many other practical applications that will make life better for millions.

  • bkrharold

    Yes it is extremely exciting. O happy day. Dr DeChario wrote that it is possible to run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on any alloy to reliably predict LENR activity.

  • artefact

    “who produced equal and even greater excess thermal energy, among a number of other more interesting effects”

    more interesting? electricity? light?

    • ..self generated magnetic fields?

      • Jarea

        That would be great!

    • LCD

      Transmutations

  • Jarea

    The last sentence is very promising:

    “Hopefully, we will be able to get all the details of this material released for publication to the general public over the next few weeks.”

    Maybe they want to do it before Airbus announce their theoretical breakthrough. Or do they want to do that together?
    Very very good news today!

  • Wes

    Excellent; the path to LENR has been lit! Now to build the house-hold version of a Power Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation (PASER) product. Homedepot is out of $1100/ounce Palladium and Rhodium; can we use tin cans and leftovers to build a PASER?

  • Stephen

    The more data that gets released a shared like this the closer we get to understanding what underlies LENR and its potential and the better prepared we become for its arrival. Thank you Louis DeChiaro and Adrian Ashfield for sharing this.

    It gives me real hope to see that this work is done at top level like this and the and serious research and models have been successful applied in your investigations. Really great news.

  • Stephen

    The more data that gets released a shared like this the closer we get as a community to understanding what underlies LENR and its potential and the better prepared we become for its arrival. Thank you Louis DeChiaro and Adrian Ashfield for sharing this.

    It gives me real hope to see that this work is done at top level like this and the and serious research and models have been successful applied in your investigations. Really great news.

  • purplepartyguy

    Looks the LENR is ready to go main stream and in a big way. Airbus jumping in with a theory and engine design. The US Navy reporting they can model different type of metallic compounds and predict output based on the mix. Rossi better have some e-cats ready for public presentation as soon as this drops because “you must strike while the iron is hot” …

  • Mike403

    Eureka !

  • bachcole

    I am happy that no one has yet speculated in the follow direction: I think that we can be certain that Obama is up to speed with LENR. Does anyone doubt that? Can anyone doubt that? If he is, then the most recent “treaty” with Iran, which I have abhorred, looks completely different to me. Iran has been punked, big time. They won’t make it to the 10 year limit of this treaty. They and all over countries most dependent upon oil are going down, hard.

    • AdrianAshfield

      I doubt that Obama knows about progress in LENR or he wouldn’t go on about CO2 reduction. He is surrounded by advisers who in turn talk to group-think “experts.”
      I commented on Rossi’s interview with the Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-h-bailey/interview-with-andrea-ros_b_8248624.html as follows:

      “….One might think DOE would be interested in this but they are not. I have been trying to get a letter about this delivered to Secretary Moniz through their Office of Science since 7/7/2015 without success. My point is that they should at least investigate it, because if real they are wasting hundreds of billions of dollars on alternative energy and CO2 reduction.”

      • right, but it is general for most subjects.

        our governments are demanding to be disinformed

        http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-24/congress-investigating-whether-centcom-skewed-isis-intel

      • bachcole

        Obama is certainly not above a scam, so he may very well be interested in the CO2 nonsense for personal gain. But your point is sufficient to put the whole thing into the “We don’t know’ category.

      • Jarea

        I agree. And thanks for trying to get DOE attention to LENR!. Could it be that they have a hidden agenda? I mean they are aware but they need to give time to the oil partners and alternative energy friends to disengage and ramp down in their projects?

      • Zephir

        You should know, that Moniz (as a proponent of nuclear lobby) has been actively engaged in suppression of LENR research at MIT, so I do perceive sorta funny, you have sent letter just to him. He’s one of most prominent enemies of cold fusion research.

        http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2884679/posts

        With respect to importance of LENR for energetic sovereignty of the USA I consider him as a public enemy, waiting for prosecution.

        • AdrianAshfield

          I was aware of MIT’s early negative activity towards LENR and that someone there had managed to get a grant withdrawn. I don’t know Moniz nor if he had anything to do with the above. Do you know that he has?
          I knew that DOE in general is very negative and was hoping that new blood might be more open to reason.

  • Axil Axil

    Why is palladium loading so important? There is a strong correlation with
    hydrogen loading level (no effect below 88% loading).There is a threshold in loading when reached there begins the production of nanoparticles of hydrogen, In this study, those nanoparticles are called clusters.

    http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/Wolf.html

    Quote:

    “Onset of the beta phase in palladium hydride at 300 degrees Kelvin. This phase change occurs as the concentration of hydrogen atoms (yellow) in the palladium (purple) increases. At early stages (the alpha phase), hydrogen atoms randomly populate small interstices in the lattice structure. At a critical point, the lattice expands, allowing hydrogen to cluster at higher density, as visualized here. This image shows the lattice from the (001) direction.”

    http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/neat3-sm.GIF

    The reason why co deposition works 100% of the time is that co deposition produces palladium hydride nanoparticle right from the getgo.

    Palladium and Iridium produce Hydrogen Rydberg matter. The cause of LENR in palladium is due to Rydberg matter production at high loading, and not Decrete Breathers.

  • AdrianAshfield

    I wish! I just ran across some stale posts of his on http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy and replied. Had’t seen him around for a while.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      He’s squirming I’m sure. I hope he’s lurking around here and sees how nicely you broke a whopper!

  • RLittle

    I
    would like to note that these steps (with computational verifications) proposed
    by Dr. DeChiaro in Sept 2015 are totally consistent with the prior 2005
    published mechanism of Reginald B. Little.
    I note such below by considering DeChiaro’s seven steps and quoting
    prior such in the publication (http://arxiv.org/ftp/cond-mat/papers/0608/0608071.pdf
    ). I am happy that Rossi has developed
    such mechanism into an application; I am also happy for his patent. I am happy that the calculations noted by
    DeChiaro are consistent with such prior mechanism of RBL. I am very pleased that my theory and
    mechanism are consistent. My prior
    conceptual theory are peaceful and happy with the applications, recent
    experimental evidence and these calculated steps:

    1.
    It is necessary to set up conditions favoring the formation of
    molecular hydrogen (H2 or D2) inside the solid lattice for a certain range of
    possible values of lattice constant and for some fraction of the allowed values
    for electron momentum. This condition alone rules out almost ALL the elemental
    , because the electron density is just too large to permit molecules to form,
    except near vacancies in the lattice where a metal atom is absent.

    “The electrochemical effects between dense e- and p+ and
    metal nuclei cause pycnonuclear reactions at the lower kinetic energy densities
    relative to the much higher energy densities within the neutron stars and
    magnetars. “ page 14

    “1.) under the prevailing conditions hydrogen uptake by the
    metal lattice and the high current density allow the formation of some amount
    of a hydride species (H-);”.
    This first is totally consistent with RBL prior conceptual model in
    2005. As the large uptake involves
    protons , hydride and electrons in side the metal lattice in s and d orbitals
    and bands of the metal as noted in RBL in 2005.

    2.
    The overall hydrogen
    loading fraction (ratio of hydrogen to palladium atoms, for example) must
    exceed the minimum threshold of about 0.88, otherwise the “party” never even
    gets started. Achieving this level of loading in Pd is not trivial.

    Such large H2 absorption is
    captured by the existence of hydride and proton and electrons inside the s and
    d bands of the metal at or below the density of the ground state of the metal.

    3.
    Conditions must be set up
    (by appropriate choice of materials parameters and achieved by the right kind
    of alloying) so that these hydrogen molecules can be caused to break up and
    then re-assemble very rapidly in a periodic time sequence when an appropriate
    physical quantity such as background electric charge, magnetic field, etc. is
    made to oscillate periodically over a small range.

    “2.) the thermal and pressure fluctuations and magnetization
    cause the electronic rehybridization of the background Cu-Ag lattice with
    consequent sporadic localization and delocalization of these electrons and
    protons of hydride species (H-) within the Cu-Ag lattice;” Note the small range is equivalent to localization
    and the later (step 5 below) larger oscillations in departure from equilibrium is
    equivalent to the delocalization in the prior RBL.

    Also “An external magnetic
    field organizes (as in this work) the (eeor pa-p+b-) and metal
    nuclei for more favorable weak interactions, leading to enhanced cross-sections
    for fusion events. In zero applied magnetic field, the proper spin and
    orbital orientations for such fusion processes are much more random and less
    likely. The important of such left-right symmetry during weak processes has
    been demonstrated by Yang and Lee [40]. Yang and Lee determined that within an
    external magnetic field, the nuclear spin oriented such that during the beta
    process the release of electron has specific momentum relative to the nucleus
    that released it. Here on the basis of the Little Effect, it is demonstrated
    that an external magnetic field can orient the e and nucleus for the reverse
    process of reverse beta for greater probability of such rare fusion events. The
    external magnetic field in this way organizes the spins for such symmetry for
    the reverse beta process and e- + capture process by the metal nucleus for
    greater rates and reproducibility of the pycnonuclear reactions. Without the
    external magnetization, the cross-section and probability are much lower. “

    4.
    The critical value of lattice constant at which this break up and
    reassembly occurs must lie very close to the nominal value of lattice constant
    for which the ground state energy of the lattice is minimal. This requirement
    alone rules out essentially all of the elemental lattices and about 99% of the
    binary and ternary alloys.

    “3.) these protons and electrons of this hydride species
    exist delocalized in the 4d-like orbitals of the Cu-Ag lattice; 4.)
    localization of protons and electrons produces this hydride species in the
    metal lattice by the rehybridization of 3d, 4d, 4s, and 5s orbitals of the
    metal lattice; 5.) such localization by lattice rehybridization and confinement
    of H- within
    sd hybrid orbitals contribute to greater s character of the interacting
    electrons and protons in the form of (ea-p+eb- ) or
    (hydride species) within the sd hybrid orbitals within the metal lattice;” – Note in order for the proton and electrons
    of hydride to exist in the d and s electrons of the metal lattice the lattice
    constant must be near the lattice constant of the ground state of the metal.

    5.
    A departure from
    equilibrium must be established that will permit an external energy source (eg.
    the DC power supply in an electrolysis experiment and/or a pair of low power
    lasers as in the Letts/Hagelstein two laser experiment) to feed energy into the
    H-H or D-D stretching mode vibrations. The difference in chemical potential
    that is established in gas loading experiments can also serve very nicely; in
    this case the flux feeds energy into the stretching mode vibrations.

    “Having
    spin and orbital momenta and magnetic moments, these e-, p+, and
    metal nuclei are organized by external magnetic field such that these
    pycnonuclear reactions are enhanced by the strong external magnetization. The
    magnetic field may contribute to faster more reproducible effects, of such
    pycnonuclear reactions.” – page 15

    It is important to note this model previously noted the
    phonons exciting both electrons and protons from orbital to virtual states (called
    continuum states by RBL in 2005) and within the continuum states the protons
    exist in stable negative regions about nuclei of more classical nature but with
    relativistic motions. This allows step
    wise excitation of protons and electrons across the virtual states by lattice
    phonons. “The Little Effect
    introduces the organization of heat by fermion motion by spin interactions for
    torque of orbital states for exciting virtual states with the consequent antisymmetry
    of the aligned fermion spins within the virtual states preventing their
    relaxation from these intermediary virtual states by the release of phonons. So
    that the adiabatic multi- phonon excitation of upper level high spin organized
    virtual orbital states is stabilized so that further stepwise multi-phonon
    excitation can yield a high spin organized stationary upper level orbital state
    for the overall adiabatic stepwise spin induced orbital excitation. The Little
    Effect thereby determines an adiabatic spin, induced orbital excitation of
    fermions.” It is impotant to note
    that the phonons are noted in 2005 for exciting the electrons and protons of
    the localized and delocalized states in the d and s orbitals of the lattice
    just as here de Chiaro notes the vibtations excite, the prior RBL gives a
    mechanism for how the vibrations excite the delocalized and localized states of
    the electrons ad protons.. Note
    exciting electrons away from nucleus is consistent with exciting protons inward
    toward nucleus and the two couple for localized and delocalized protonic and
    electronic states and with higher energy excitation this model notes the
    excited electrons into core eventually couple with nuclear states and this can
    promote the delocalization of the quantum states of the nucleus into the
    electronic lattice. It is important to note that the proposed gamma exchange
    between the core electrons and protons and the nucleons prevent not only gamma exchange
    between the electrons and protons of the core but gamma exchange with the
    nuclei nearby thereby extending the wavefunction of nuclei into the core of the
    atom.

    6.
    The nature of the lattice
    must permit these stretching mode vibrations to grow so large (over a period of
    perhaps many nanoseconds) that their amplitude becomes comparable to the
    lattice constant. When this occurs, the H atoms oscillate so violently that at
    the instants of closest approach, the curvature of the parabolic energy wells
    in which the atomic nuclei vibrate will become perturbed. Thus the curvature of
    the well oscillates as a periodic function of time. These very large amplitude
    vibrations are known as superoscillations in the Western literature and as
    “discrete breathers” in the Ukrainian literature. Under the right conditions,
    these oscillations can grow without impacting the atoms, which are much more
    massive than the hydrogens. We explored this computationally via Density
    Functional Molecular Dynamics runs.

    “Such low frequency pycnonuclear reactions and the magnetic field
    enhancement are here predicted, explored and demonstrated here on the basis of
    the Little Effect, whereby the magnetic organization of dense electrons,
    protons and metal nuclei within the metal lattice and thermal and pressure
    fluctuation cause oscillations between delocalized and localized electronic and
    protonic states, involving the already demonstrated s-d rehybridization and
    nuclear coupled intersystem crossing characteristic of Cu and Ag lattice under
    prevailing magnetic and thermal conditions such that e- and p+ become
    localized into s orbitals of the Ag with the strong electric field of the Ag
    nuclei strongly disrupting gamma exchange between the e- and p+ and e- —Ag
    nuclei for electron capture by the proton (reverse beta) and/or e- and/or
    p+ capture
    by Ag nuclei.” – Page 14

    I also point out the coupling of such electronic to nuclear
    oscillations as noted in this 2005 mechanism: “

    7.
    When the curvatures of the
    parabolic energy wells of the nuclei are modulated at a frequency very near the
    natural resonant frequency, the quantum expectation value of the nuclear wave
    function spatial spread will oscillate with time in such a way that the
    positive-going peaks grow exponentially with time. Originally, I found this
    idea in the Ukrainian literature and was skeptical. So, we verified it by doing
    a direct numerical solution of the time-dependent Schrodinger Equation for a
    single nuclear particle in a parabolic energy well. These oscillations in
    spatial spread will periodically delocalize the nucleus and facilitate the
    tunneling of adjacent nuclei into the Strong Force attractive nuclear potential
    well, giving rise to nuclear fusion at rates that are several tens of orders of
    magnitude larger than what one calculates via the usual Gamow Factor integral
    relationship.

    “12.) the proximity (less than 0.5 Angstroms) of the ea- — p+ to the
    eb- and
    the metal nucleus (M47+) within the s orbital allows huge local magnetic fields
    within the s orbital for extremely strong spin torque of ea- into
    the p+ thereby
    preventing gamma exchange as in isolated hydrogen thereby allowing the ea- — p+ to
    form a neutron. It is within the s orbital with finite nonzero probability of
    the ea- — p+ and eb- having
    very close proximity to the metal nucleus that length scales of 10-10 m
    such that the magnetic forces within the s orbital are on the order of 1/(10-5) 2 times
    the magnetic forces between lattice electrons in the domain of say a
    ferrometal.”

  • RLittle

    I
    would like to note that these steps (with computational verifications) proposed
    by Dr. DeChiaro in Sept 2015 are totally consistent with the prior 2005
    published mechanism of Reginald B. Little.
    I note such below by considering DeChiaro’s seven steps and quoting
    prior such in the publication (http://arxiv.org/ftp/cond-mat/papers/0608/0608071.pdf
    ). I am happy that Rossi has developed
    such mechanism into an application; I am also happy for his patent. I am happy that the calculations noted by
    DeChiaro are consistent with such prior mechanism of RBL. I am very pleased that my theory and
    mechanism are consistent. My prior
    conceptual theory are peaceful and happy with the applications, recent
    experimental evidence and these calculated steps:

    1.
    It is necessary to set up conditions favoring the formation of
    molecular hydrogen (H2 or D2) inside the solid lattice for a certain range of
    possible values of lattice constant and for some fraction of the allowed values
    for electron momentum. This condition alone rules out almost ALL the elemental
    , because the electron density is just too large to permit molecules to form,
    except near vacancies in the lattice where a metal atom is absent.

    “The electrochemical effects between dense e- and p+ and
    metal nuclei cause pycnonuclear reactions at the lower kinetic energy densities
    relative to the much higher energy densities within the neutron stars and
    magnetars. “ page 14

    “1.) under the prevailing conditions hydrogen uptake by the
    metal lattice and the high current density allow the formation of some amount
    of a hydride species (H-);”.
    This first is totally consistent with RBL prior conceptual model in
    2005. As the large uptake involves
    protons , hydride and electrons in side the metal lattice in s and d orbitals
    and bands of the metal as noted in RBL in 2005.

    2.
    The overall hydrogen
    loading fraction (ratio of hydrogen to palladium atoms, for example) must
    exceed the minimum threshold of about 0.88, otherwise the “party” never even
    gets started. Achieving this level of loading in Pd is not trivial.

    Such large H2 absorption is
    captured by the existence of hydride and proton and electrons inside the s and
    d bands of the metal at or below the density of the ground state of the metal.

    3.
    Conditions must be set up
    (by appropriate choice of materials parameters and achieved by the right kind
    of alloying) so that these hydrogen molecules can be caused to break up and
    then re-assemble very rapidly in a periodic time sequence when an appropriate
    physical quantity such as background electric charge, magnetic field, etc. is
    made to oscillate periodically over a small range.

    “2.) the thermal and pressure fluctuations and magnetization
    cause the electronic rehybridization of the background Cu-Ag lattice with
    consequent sporadic localization and delocalization of these electrons and
    protons of hydride species (H-) within the Cu-Ag lattice;” Note the small range is equivalent to localization
    and the later (step 5 below) larger oscillations in departure from equilibrium is
    equivalent to the delocalization in the prior RBL.

    Also “An external magnetic
    field organizes (as in this work) the (eeor pa-p+b-) and metal
    nuclei for more favorable weak interactions, leading to enhanced cross-sections
    for fusion events. In zero applied magnetic field, the proper spin and
    orbital orientations for such fusion processes are much more random and less
    likely. The important of such left-right symmetry during weak processes has
    been demonstrated by Yang and Lee [40]. Yang and Lee determined that within an
    external magnetic field, the nuclear spin oriented such that during the beta
    process the release of electron has specific momentum relative to the nucleus
    that released it. Here on the basis of the Little Effect, it is demonstrated
    that an external magnetic field can orient the e and nucleus for the reverse
    process of reverse beta for greater probability of such rare fusion events. The
    external magnetic field in this way organizes the spins for such symmetry for
    the reverse beta process and e- + capture process by the metal nucleus for
    greater rates and reproducibility of the pycnonuclear reactions. Without the
    external magnetization, the cross-section and probability are much lower. “

    4.
    The critical value of lattice constant at which this break up and
    reassembly occurs must lie very close to the nominal value of lattice constant
    for which the ground state energy of the lattice is minimal. This requirement
    alone rules out essentially all of the elemental lattices and about 99% of the
    binary and ternary alloys.

    “3.) these protons and electrons of this hydride species
    exist delocalized in the 4d-like orbitals of the Cu-Ag lattice; 4.)
    localization of protons and electrons produces this hydride species in the
    metal lattice by the rehybridization of 3d, 4d, 4s, and 5s orbitals of the
    metal lattice; 5.) such localization by lattice rehybridization and confinement
    of H- within
    sd hybrid orbitals contribute to greater s character of the interacting
    electrons and protons in the form of (ea-p+eb- ) or
    (hydride species) within the sd hybrid orbitals within the metal lattice;” – Note in order for the proton and electrons
    of hydride to exist in the d and s electrons of the metal lattice the lattice
    constant must be near the lattice constant of the ground state of the metal.

    5.
    A departure from
    equilibrium must be established that will permit an external energy source (eg.
    the DC power supply in an electrolysis experiment and/or a pair of low power
    lasers as in the Letts/Hagelstein two laser experiment) to feed energy into the
    H-H or D-D stretching mode vibrations. The difference in chemical potential
    that is established in gas loading experiments can also serve very nicely; in
    this case the flux feeds energy into the stretching mode vibrations.

    “Having
    spin and orbital momenta and magnetic moments, these e-, p+, and
    metal nuclei are organized by external magnetic field such that these
    pycnonuclear reactions are enhanced by the strong external magnetization. The
    magnetic field may contribute to faster more reproducible effects, of such
    pycnonuclear reactions.” – page 15

    It is important to note this model previously noted the
    phonons exciting both electrons and protons from orbital to virtual states (called
    continuum states by RBL in 2005) and within the continuum states the protons
    exist in stable negative regions about nuclei of more classical nature but with
    relativistic motions. This allows step
    wise excitation of protons and electrons across the virtual states by lattice
    phonons. “The Little Effect
    introduces the organization of heat by fermion motion by spin interactions for
    torque of orbital states for exciting virtual states with the consequent antisymmetry
    of the aligned fermion spins within the virtual states preventing their
    relaxation from these intermediary virtual states by the release of phonons. So
    that the adiabatic multi- phonon excitation of upper level high spin organized
    virtual orbital states is stabilized so that further stepwise multi-phonon
    excitation can yield a high spin organized stationary upper level orbital state
    for the overall adiabatic stepwise spin induced orbital excitation. The Little
    Effect thereby determines an adiabatic spin, induced orbital excitation of
    fermions.” It is impotant to note
    that the phonons are noted in 2005 for exciting the electrons and protons of
    the localized and delocalized states in the d and s orbitals of the lattice
    just as here de Chiaro notes the vibtations excite, the prior RBL gives a
    mechanism for how the vibrations excite the delocalized and localized states of
    the electrons ad protons.. Note
    exciting electrons away from nucleus is consistent with exciting protons inward
    toward nucleus and the two couple for localized and delocalized protonic and
    electronic states and with higher energy excitation this model notes the
    excited electrons into core eventually couple with nuclear states and this can
    promote the delocalization of the quantum states of the nucleus into the
    electronic lattice. It is important to note that the proposed gamma exchange
    between the core electrons and protons and the nucleons prevent not only gamma exchange
    between the electrons and protons of the core but gamma exchange with the
    nuclei nearby thereby extending the wavefunction of nuclei into the core of the
    atom.

    6.
    The nature of the lattice
    must permit these stretching mode vibrations to grow so large (over a period of
    perhaps many nanoseconds) that their amplitude becomes comparable to the
    lattice constant. When this occurs, the H atoms oscillate so violently that at
    the instants of closest approach, the curvature of the parabolic energy wells
    in which the atomic nuclei vibrate will become perturbed. Thus the curvature of
    the well oscillates as a periodic function of time. These very large amplitude
    vibrations are known as superoscillations in the Western literature and as
    “discrete breathers” in the Ukrainian literature. Under the right conditions,
    these oscillations can grow without impacting the atoms, which are much more
    massive than the hydrogens. We explored this computationally via Density
    Functional Molecular Dynamics runs.

    “Such low frequency pycnonuclear reactions and the magnetic field
    enhancement are here predicted, explored and demonstrated here on the basis of
    the Little Effect, whereby the magnetic organization of dense electrons,
    protons and metal nuclei within the metal lattice and thermal and pressure
    fluctuation cause oscillations between delocalized and localized electronic and
    protonic states, involving the already demonstrated s-d rehybridization and
    nuclear coupled intersystem crossing characteristic of Cu and Ag lattice under
    prevailing magnetic and thermal conditions such that e- and p+ become
    localized into s orbitals of the Ag with the strong electric field of the Ag
    nuclei strongly disrupting gamma exchange between the e- and p+ and e- —Ag
    nuclei for electron capture by the proton (reverse beta) and/or e- and/or
    p+ capture
    by Ag nuclei.” – Page 14

    I also point out the coupling of such electronic to nuclear
    oscillations as noted in this 2005 mechanism: “

    7.
    When the curvatures of the
    parabolic energy wells of the nuclei are modulated at a frequency very near the
    natural resonant frequency, the quantum expectation value of the nuclear wave
    function spatial spread will oscillate with time in such a way that the
    positive-going peaks grow exponentially with time. Originally, I found this
    idea in the Ukrainian literature and was skeptical. So, we verified it by doing
    a direct numerical solution of the time-dependent Schrodinger Equation for a
    single nuclear particle in a parabolic energy well. These oscillations in
    spatial spread will periodically delocalize the nucleus and facilitate the
    tunneling of adjacent nuclei into the Strong Force attractive nuclear potential
    well, giving rise to nuclear fusion at rates that are several tens of orders of
    magnitude larger than what one calculates via the usual Gamow Factor integral
    relationship.

    “12.) the proximity (less than 0.5 Angstroms) of the ea- — p+ to the
    eb- and
    the metal nucleus (M47+) within the s orbital allows huge local magnetic fields
    within the s orbital for extremely strong spin torque of ea- into
    the p+ thereby
    preventing gamma exchange as in isolated hydrogen thereby allowing the ea- — p+ to
    form a neutron. It is within the s orbital with finite nonzero probability of
    the ea- — p+ and eb- having
    very close proximity to the metal nucleus that length scales of 10-10 m
    such that the magnetic forces within the s orbital are on the order of 1/(10-5) 2 times
    the magnetic forces between lattice electrons in the domain of say a
    ferrometal.”

    • oldrolledgold

      You can be the new William Friese-Greene.We’ve had enough use out of the original.

  • bachcole

    I don’t think what DeChiaro is doing is the same thing as what Rossi is doing. But what really counts if the COP > 1

  • Herb Gillis

    Now we seem to have entered the predictive phase of LENR. It will be important to get the simulation model widely distributed.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes – very much so

  • Herb Gillis

    Now we seem to have entered the predictive phase of LENR. It will be important to get the simulation model widely distributed.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Yes – very much so

  • Job001

    New Fire has catalytic flint!

  • LION

    Hi Frank, Thanks for posting Louis DeChiaro’s revelations. Great news. Nice to see “I would also suggest that some praise might be due to people like Andrea Rossi…” though I would take out the “might” as in my opinion Andrea Rossi is deserving of the very highest accolades that we can give to him for his tireless work. Personally I hope he receives a Nobel prize.
    The October issue of Fortune magazine came out in the UK today and there is an article called ‘Fusion 2.0: The Entrepreneurs Attack’ by Brian Dumaine pp18-20, with Tom Darden and Cold Fusion being mentioned on p19. However the earlier article that was posted on Fortune’s website September 27, 2015, ‘This investor is chasing a new kind of fusion’ by Brian Dumaine did not appear in the UK issue. I am not entirely surprised as many international magazines like Time for instance produce at least three versions of their magazine, for the Americas, Europe, the Far East, all carrying big stories but locally targeted. Of course there is the possibility that this important interview with Tom Darden might appear in the November issue. My hope is that all the business and financial people in the City of London will read this story and hopefully Fortune magazine will interview Woodford Investment Management in the UK sometime soon. The good news is that things are really starting to move now with an ever wider audience being informed of these momentous events. Thanks again, Frank, for all your wonderful work.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Question:
    Can this explain the Mitsubishi transmutations?

    Answer:
    No.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iNy47-PKxoQ/T2ziOYJ2RvI/AAAAAAAASLo/OcvAZx1OnVo/s1600/LENRJapantransmute.png

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      The assumption is that d-d fusion is taking place but could palladium be transmuted in a F&P cell (as heaver elements are most definitely being transmuted in the Mitsubishi experiments)?

      Pd + 2d > Cd* > Pd + He (a fusion-fission reaction)
      Overall:
      2d > He 24 MeV (no gamma rays)

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Question:
    Can this explain the Mitsubishi transmutations?

    Answer:
    No.
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iNy47-PKxoQ/T2ziOYJ2RvI/AAAAAAAASLo/OcvAZx1OnVo/s1600/LENRJapantransmute.png

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      The assumption is that d-d fusion is taking place but could palladium be transmuted in a F&P cell (as heaver elements are most definitely being transmuted in the Mitsubishi experiments)?

      Pd + 2d > Cd* > Pd + He (a fusion-fission reaction)
      Overall:
      2d > He 24 MeV (no gamma rays)

  • Steve Savage

    This is the straw the breaks the camels back?

  • Private Citizen

    Adding nothing to the discussion, just this: a positive and believable explanation of LENR above. This reads like reputable journals must publish the theory or look ridiculous in the very near future.

    • Axil Axil

      Release of this information will be a non event. Co-disposition of palladium hydride produced the LENR reaction 100% of the time. When those results were released, nothing happened.

      Rossi is right, when there is a “must have” LENR product on the market, then people will take notice.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is true that a product will be the big news.

        Was Co-Deposition in Science/Nature – because NRL have the clout to get there and co-deposition wasn’t vindicating P&F, this is.

        Also co-deposition wasn’t about measurable excess heat like this is as far as I know – though the PD deposit was shown to melt!

  • Private Citizen

    Adding nothing to the discussion, just this: a positive and believable explanation of LENR above. This reads like reputable journals must publish the work or look ridiculous in the very near future.

    • Axil Axil

      Release of this information will be a non event. Co-disposition of palladium hydride produced the LENR reaction 100% of the time. When those results were released, nothing happened.

      Rossi is right, when there is a “must have” LENR product on the market, then people will take notice.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is true that a product will be the big news.

        Was Co-Deposition in Science/Nature – because NRL have the clout to get there and co-deposition wasn’t vindicating P&F, this is.

        Also co-deposition wasn’t about measurable excess heat like this is as far as I know – though the PD deposit was shown to melt!

  • MasterBlaster7

    WTF did I just read?! Did they just crack the theory?! Or, at least part of the theory?!

    A point for Swartz and Hagelstein with their atomic vacancies. Not so much for Storms and his nano-cracks.

    So, this is molecular hydrogen vibrating so violently (within the atomic vacancies) that they release energy? Any physicist want to explain the nuances to me?

    • Axil Axil

      At this juncture, all LENR theory is just a guess. We don’t have access to the instrumentation to see what is really happening on the nano-scale.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The important thing is that following information, most likely from ENEA and a more spelt out paper discussing Anharmonic Oscillations that Piantelli says is critical, by Dubinko at ICCF19 – they have shown repeatable excess heat and vindicated Pons and Fleischmann.

      This is coming from the NRL that have been dogged in their determination by vocally sceptical in the fruits of their research until now.

  • MasterBlaster7

    WTF did I just read?! Did they just crack the theory?! Or, at least part of the theory?!

    A point for Swartz and Hagelstein with their atomic vacancies. Not so much for Storms and his nano-cracks.

    So, this is molecular hydrogen vibrating so violently (within the atomic vacancies) that they release energy? Any physicist want to explain the nuances to me?

    • Axil Axil

      At this juncture, all LENR theory is just a guess. We don’t have access to the instrumentation to see what is really happening on the nano-scale.

    • Bob Greenyer

      The important thing is that following information, most likely from ENEA and a more spelt out paper discussing Anharmonic Oscillations that Piantelli says is critical, by Dubinko at ICCF19 – they have shown repeatable excess heat and vindicated Pons and Fleischmann.

      This is coming from the NRL that have been dogged in their determination by vocally sceptical in the fruits of their research until now.

  • Owen Geiger

    So you expect government agencies to reveal what they’re secretly working on???

  • David Taylor-Fuller

    NOW THAT…. was a BIG F*CKING DEAL

  • magicsnd1

    A good deal of credit is due Ukranian theorist V.I.Dubinko. His talk at ICCF19 was the high point of the technical sessions. See pg. 93 of:
    http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol14.pdf

  • magicsnd1

    A good deal of credit is due Ukranian theorist V.I.Dubinko. His talk at ICCF19 was the high point of the technical sessions. See pg. 93 of:
    http://www.iscmns.org/CMNS/JCMNS-Vol14.pdf

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I must have missed something. If it is d-d fusion why doesn’t it have fusion products of hot fusion? Even muon catalyzed fusion (another form of “cold fusion”) has the same branching ratios as hot fusion.

    Hydride is a soft base and would form a soft polarizable bond with palladium (by Pearson’s HSAB theory) http://www.adichemistry.com/inorganic/cochem/hsab/hard-soft-acid-base-theory.html
    that would oscillate at infrared stretching frequencies. This might allow the neutron end of the deuteron to get close enough to the palladium nucleus to tunnel and start out fusing in a
    manner similar (but not exactly) to that of an Oppenheimer-Phillips reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppenheimer%E2%80%93Phillips_process but ending up absorbing the entire deuteron as in the Mitsubishi transmutations.

  • Brokeeper

    “I would also suggest that some praise might be due to people like Andrea Rossi”. ‘Some praise’?! My Aspartame! If it weren’t for Andria Rossi and the 1MW plant sold to the Navy I doubt NAVSEA would have been enlightened enough to allocate further massive funds for LENR research for Louis DeChiaro inspirations. Come on!! Edisonian methods trump scientific theory every time. Without experimentation theories which “appear to have obtained positive results” would not sprout. Thanks to the Lugano tests and its report allowed confirmation to their theories: “We have run materials simulations (also known as Density Functional Theory simulations) on our best guess of Rossi’s
    alloy material. It satisfies all the conditions given above, while pure Nickel does not.”
    I hope they don’t break their arms patting themselves on the back.

    Otherwise, congratulations NAVSEA! It couldn’t have been done without you.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      You’re forgetting. We should fawn over physicists because of this guy.

      “I believe that I have really found the relationship between gravitation and electricity, assuming that the Miller experiments are based on a fundamental error. Otherwise, the whole relativity theory collapses like a house of cards.”
      — Albert Einstein
      http://www.orgonelab.org/miller.htm

  • Axil Axil

    Holmlid states in his patent as follows:

    “The hydrogen transfer catalyst may further be configured to cause a transition of the hydrogen into the ultradense state if the hydrogen atoms are prevented from re-forming covalent bonds. The mechanisms behind the catalytic transition from the gaseous state to the ultra-dense state are quite well understood, and it has been experimentally shown that this transition can be achieved using various hydrogen transfer catalysts, including, for example, commercially available so-called styrene catalysts, as well as (purely) metallic catalysts, such as Iridium and Palladium.”

    Palladium and Iridium produce Hydrogen Rydberg matter. The cause of LENR in palladium is due to Rydberg matter production at high loading, and not Decrete Breathers.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think the key point about the post above is that repeatable excess heat has been seen in a system similar to the ENEA P&F analogue by an organisation that has been very vocal about never seeing excess heat in pure Pd – that is the real news

  • Axil Axil

    Holmlid states in his patent as follows:

    “The hydrogen transfer catalyst may further be configured to cause a transition of the hydrogen into the ultradense state if the hydrogen atoms are prevented from re-forming covalent bonds. The mechanisms behind the catalytic transition from the gaseous state to the ultra-dense state are quite well understood, and it has been experimentally shown that this transition can be achieved using various hydrogen transfer catalysts, including, for example, commercially available so-called styrene catalysts, as well as (purely) metallic catalysts, such as Iridium and Palladium.”

    Palladium and Iridium produce Hydrogen Rydberg matter. The cause of LENR in palladium is due to Rydberg matter production at high loading, and not Decrete Breathers.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think the key point about the post above is that repeatable excess heat has been seen in a system similar to the ENEA P&F analogue by an organisation that has been very vocal about never seeing excess heat in pure Pd – that is the real news

  • Jarea

    Somebody must contact Space X and tell Elon Musk that he has to invest in LENR after these news! XD

    • skeptickle

      Elon is beaten by Carl Page, Tom Darden, Woodford Funds. AND by Airbus, Toyota, Boeing Research, Mitsubishi, GE Aviation, LENR Invest, etc.

      But if the customer test of 1MW unit succeeds – Elon should purchase an E-Cat or two to charge his Tesla automobiles.

  • Da Phys

    Wow. Dubinko’s theory has been one of the most appealing theory because in full continuation of Hagelstein’s approach of the 1990’s with the introduction of anharmonicity as a critical factor to produce large amplitude vibrations. The nice addition here by DeChiaro is the confirmation of this effect through computer simulations and, apparently, experiments as well. The possibility to optimize the system through computer simulations is extremely interesting, this may be a game changer in CF/LENR history.

    A nice aspect of Dubinko’s theory is that it can explain the experimental results found with both PD/D and NI/H systems. Last year I postulated that the adsorption (or even absorption) of Li can facilitate the anharmonicity required to produce these large amplitude vibrations. What is interesting in the Hot-Cat is that H loading, although partial and limited to the Ni surface, is effective at low temperature, while the release of Li happens at a higher temperature when the first layers of Ni are already loaded with H- anions. The thermal decomposition LiAlH4 is perfect in that sense, full credit goes to Rossi for that.

    Now, if we take the best of Piantelli’s theory, that is a lattice composed of H- anions, together with the anharmonic large amplitude vibrations of Dubinko’s (rather than the “H- ejection” assumption of Piantelli), add to this some Li+ ions as first done by F&P but only mastered technically by Rossi, we may find the ultimate theory, and in turn, LENR system.

    • Gerard McEk

      You seem a physisist Da Phys, can I ask you some questions about the article?
      1. What does Louise mean with: ” This condition alone rules out almost ALL the elemental” (point 1)
      2. Is it required that Ni and Li are alloyed, or can also other elements be used?
      3. Is it possible that also hydrogen fuses with hydrogen, or just lithium and hydrogen.
      4. Can you explain the isotopical shift of nickel, (Lugano test), based on this artickel?
      Thanks, Gerard

      • Leonardo Della Pietra

        Not expert on this subject, but:
        1) Monoatomic lattices (Pure Pd, pure Rh, …) are not ok, because the lattice haracteristics are not what we need
        2) There are many other combinations possible, which can be evaluated by a proper simulation.
        3&4) do not know

      • wpj

        If you read Rossi’s interview, he says not to read too much into the Ni isotope shift from the Lugano report as there was only 2mg taken from 1g of sample. He says that there is an on-going analysis of the bulk.

        Point (1) of yours is that, probably, the lattice with pure elements is too regular while the alloys have the lattice broken up with other metals incorporated. This makes the processes easier to take place.

        Point (3) is also discussed in the Rossi interview.

      • Da Phys

        I’m indeed a physicist but no expert in this field.
        1. A word is probably missing after the adjective elemental: elemental lattices ?
        2. I’m not sure I understand your question because Ni and Li don’t “alloy”. This theory suggests that the hydride or deuteride sponge must fulfil some conditions, something not surprising because we most probably have a resonant system. IMO it is not by chance that the ratios of the atomic masses H/Ni and D/Pd are similar, we need a light atom that vibrates in a lattice formed by heavier atoms.
        3. Don’t know. WOuld love to know the answer to that question.
        4. The isotopic shift mentioned in the Lugano report cannot be (readily) explained by this theory, at least not without additional assumptions. On a side note, I don’t trust much the results of the Lugano test.

        • Gerard McEk

          Thanks.
          Regarding 2: I would assume that lithium is also in the DB, how else can a proton fuse with the lithium? BTW, an interesting remark regarding the ratio/resonance frequencies.
          Regarding 3: I assume that these DB resonances will also bring the Ni atoms very near together. Maybe so near that also neutrons may ‘tunnel’ from one to the other Ni atom. Because Ni62 is the most stable, I just thought they may all tend to Ni62. Is that a bad idea?

  • Gerard McEk

    After one night sleep….
    Yesterday if was very excited to read the article above, but this morning I feel some doubt. Can it be verified that it is genuine, that the autor is indeed Louis DeChiaro of NAVSEA?
    If this is all cleared and verified, I have an important question for NAVSEA: Why do they allow a pre-release of this important information? Why don’t they wait for a proper media release?
    Maybe many institutes are working on this and is LENR at the brink of a break-through and NAVSEA also wants to receive some recognition for their work?

    • Owen Geiger

      I think they’re trying to stay ahead of the news releases so they can get some credit = more funding for them.

      • Jarea

        My personal theory is that they want to have the credit before Airbus expose his big LENR theory breakthrough this month.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Everyone has to get their cards on the table. This is the biggest discovery of all time.

    • racribeiro

      I’ve tried to google on this filtering out any “pro-LENR” related websites. There is nothing on this elsewhere… I’ve found some references to Louis DeChiaro on some documentation that I’m not confident about the origin also.
      I want this to be true, but the evidence isn’t strong enough…

      • as I said, it came from Albert Opdenaker,
        who clearly stated it was ok for publication (agreed by the Navsea),

        both him and DeChiaro have co-authored few article and presentations about LENR…

        this presentation shows nothing really new.

        It is great, but it is great since very long ago.

        • Brent Buckner

          Did you say that (” it came from Albert Opdenaker”) about the IEEE presentation slides only, or also about the “research notes” of this post? Please advise!

          • only the slides.

            good precision, thanks.

    • bachcole

      Yeah, I am thinking similar thoughts. We will see what we will see.

    • Bob Matulis

      Agreed. I am an Engineer and the content was WAY over my head. Either it is the real deal or a bunch of science babble. I am unable to discern. Time will tell.

    • SG

      IEEE meeting:
      https://meetings.vtools.ieee.org/m/35303

      http://coldfusionnow.org/ieee-meeting-on-lenr-phenomenon-well-attended/

      In one photo you can see DeChiaro presenting one of the slides of the presentation with the NavSea logo.

      • Gerard McEk

        Thanks SG, I could not find anything about him on Google. At least he is a real person. I hope somebody can approach him to check the article above.

    • LCD

      I feel you. One thing is to replicate Rossi, it’s a whole other level up too understand the theory.

      Excited but cautious.

      I got my last degree possibly five years too early.

      There will probably be a dozen nobels from this over the next five years. Imho

    • Axil Axil

      The breakthrough in LENR will not come from the way NAVSEA is using palladium. Look for that advance to come from Rossi and the E-Cat X.

  • Jarea

    Sorry but i can’t agree with DeChiaro in the following sentence:

    ” Reasonable scientists and engineers can be forgiven for their difficulty in believing that there might exist ANY circumstances under which such things could be possible. And to be blunt, it was only in the last few months that the causal chain finally became clear.”

    It depends on what is considered reasonable scientists.
    There were some scientists that not only stop believing in LENR but it blocked actively the research and used science conferences to blame other scientists for doing blop science. Please, we all remember our heroe Eugene Mallove. I cant forget. I can’t accept that relativist and soft message to the scientific community. We have to learn about what happened with the big science failure in LENR. We need to learn and provide feedback so that we reduce that possibility again. Investigate if that view of LENR was promoted by big oil or other interesest (hot fussion) and how can we avoid that in the future. Why do we have science/true gatekeepers?. The evidence should be (more important) beyond the gatekeepers.
    Besides, that is not about rage and revenge, it is about improving our scientific method and open the process for reaching the true.

    I expect honesty in science and that cannot be avoided if there is no consequences for the dishonest behavior.

    • orsobubu

      The other big damage is made by journalists and media operators, and in this case I think rage and revenge is a good thing, since they are the normal link between high realm of science and the general public. So I support an idea proposed here some time ago for save and collect the dishonest, corrupted behavior in publications and propaganda during these years. I have some material.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “…He felt that cold fusion research was being suppressed and academic freedom violated. He wrote: ‘The pressure for conformity is enormous. I have experienced it in editors’ rejection of submitted papers, based on venomous criticism of anonymous referees. The replacement of impartial reviewing by censorship will be the death of science.’…”
      Julian Schwinger
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Schwinger

    • I follow on your idea.
      No revenge, but deterrence for the next generation of deniers.

      I support the principle of organizing an International Criminal Court on Cold Fusion Denial. It should be fairly done, based on evidence…
      evidence of misconduct, evidence of frauds, evidence of bias, evidence of stupidity, one by one, paper by paper, scientist by scientists, book by book, page by page, TV by TV, newspaper by Newspaper, Journal by Journal, Wiki by Wiki…
      Punishment should remove any advantage taken by the convicted criminal during his career, ruin his reputation , make him look like a fool, an annoyance to Science, and insult to ethic and journalism, and much more to deter the next generation of mindguards and parrots. No pity, no revenge, just deterrence.
      Care should be taken to convict the small players, like journalist, editors, forum-managers, so that the one by whom the groupthink spread don’t feel exonerated of their responsibilities. The crimes are possible because of the small players, who exploit the violence of the most nasty ones.

      Maybe it is because my wife prepares IPT65, but I feel the IPT could be an interesting process.

      • JIPelsor

        Isn’t also time to put a full court press on energy agencies to assure the transfer of funds from hot fusion (just 10 years away! haha) to Lenr. It’s just unbelievable the status quo can be maintained with news like this.

        • we need no public money, we are economically viable, provided we use good organizations (LENRG style) to bootstrap the market.

          we need no academic support, we have scientific evidence.
          we need no journalist support, we have good news.
          we need no political support, it is safe and cheap energy.

          all we need is they shut up, journalist, editors, scaremongers politicians, and academic, and let LENR scientists work, engineers develop, blogger inform, and investors invest, without being systematically attacked by FUD, mindguards scaremongers and conspiracy theorists.

          “Laissez nous faire !” (F**k)

      • LCD

        I think the public ridicule that will soon come will be punishment enough. I would financially support the proper disclosure of the people who have suppressed research.

        Over confidence in the knowledge of the laws of physics is as much a danger to research as non peer review and non replication, scientific method, etc.

        For sure we need to remove key scientists from positions of power.

        • Jarea

          No. i don’t think that is enough. I find the idea of AlainCo very good. As i said, without consequences the corruption and the dishonest behaviors like blaming, bulling and degrading others work become part of the science process which is a disaster.
          With this i mean consequences not only to the people who did actively wrong but to add to our process some protection mechanism so that we can recognize these behaviors and exclude them from science.
          I see the same problem with the EMdrive.

        • I have echo that my IPT proposal is a bit shocking.
          some people say “live and let live”…

          Business people, scientist, should be that way, as it is more productive.
          Businessman reven is making money, and scientific revenge is publishing papers.

          I think like the “client” of “science”, “journalism”, “government”. I want to complain. Is it rational?

          Note that what shock me even more than the misconduct of 1989+, it is that I start to see a general amnesty for the deniers, and worst of all a coverage of the work of earlier LENr scientists.

          as Thomas Kuhn explains, and as Nassim taleb exmplains, history is rewritten to hid the real innovators, who were initially insulted and marginalized…
          Just see the difference between Wikipravda and the history books, and witness, on Semmelweiss, Shechtmann, wegener, and now F&P…

          the interest of an IPT is to have a reference documentation to oppose to the fairytales of wikipedia.

    • bachcole

      I noticed that remark, and I think that he may be trying to soft pedal his presentation so as to help the acceptance of it. If he came on like gang busters and started accusing people of wrong doing, he may not get published.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I would propose that this model be posted as a sort or “Seti at home” java app that anyone could screen elemental and structural permutations on their phone / laptop / desktop into a public database.

    The model would produce candidate materials that would then be tested for activity, the results of which would adjust the model for another permutation of distributed simulation.

    This would be like the guy that used a learning system – analysed 10,000s of top songs and then let it create millions of new melodies with chart potential.

    • When in the paper all mathematical equations are revealed, this should not be the problem 🙂

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      I think isnt a Java app but C++ anyway you mean BOINC platform:

      http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

      Good idea if you are very sure on what models simulate.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I would propose that this model be posted as a sort or “Seti at home” java app that anyone could screen elemental and structural permutations on their phone / laptop / desktop into a public database.

    The model would produce candidate materials that would then be tested for activity, the results of which would adjust the model for another permutation of distributed simulation.

    This would be like the guy that used a learning system – analysed 10,000s of top songs and then let it create millions of new melodies with chart potential.

    • When in the paper all mathematical equations are revealed, this should not be the problem 🙂

    • Enrique Ferreyra

      I think isnt a Java app but C++ anyway you mean BOINC platform:

      http://boinc.berkeley.edu/

      Good idea if you are very sure on what models simulate.

  • tobalt

    Hope they release a paper about the DFT results. This is what i always told that solid state simulations should be used to analyze the behaviour and not single particle crossections such as for colliders or plasmas.

    excellent news

  • tobalt

    Hope they release a paper about the DFT results. This is what i always told that solid state simulations should be used to analyze the behaviour and not single particle crossections such as for colliders or plasmas.

    excellent news

  • wpj

    Wonder what the “other more interesting effects” are? More interesting than excess energy……..

    • GreenWin

      Nanomaterials can make you question what you see with your own eyes. Good fun.

  • wpj

    Wonder what the “other more interesting effects” are? More interesting than excess energy……..

    • GreenWin

      Nanomaterials can make you question what you see with your own eyes. Good fun.

  • orsobubu

    today a technician for the condominium heating system came and he talked and cried about energy market, regulations, price competition, etc, Usually in these cases I take the opportunity to crank up the marxist big deal, but instead this time I introduced the cold fusion topic, that he was unaware of; he was astonished, so I gave him this site address hehe (l learned this strategy from my friend bachcole)

  • oldrolledgold

    He is ‘grateful to have been given the opportunity’ to work in the field: Would FOIA requests find out who gave him the opportunity and why?(or are they not valid with the military?)

    • wpj

      His bio says that he is a civilian worker there, not a member of the military

      • Ged

        Wouldn’t stop his work from getting classified and exempt from FIOA either.

        • wpj

          No, but maybe he was “grateful” for the freedom to do the work.

  • This is good. I always had a feeling that resonance was part of the explanation. And I believe we will see more in this direction shortly. Will try to report as soon as I can.

    • Isn’t the Widom Larsen Theory using resonance effects of electrons (aka
      “collective motion”) to produce high energetic (large) electrons which
      could be easily captured by the hydrogen proton?

      Maybe they were already on the right track?

      • Ged

        This stuff here is quite different, though conceptually similar (electrons not having such a role and no electron-proton capture, but atomic resonance still involved). This is more like Dr. Kim’s linear two body bose-einstine condensate method of LENR. However, it may not be the same of even that, but yet again just conceptually similar; as I don’t think super oscillations leading to nucleus displacement tunneling was part of Dr. Kim’s theory.

        • GreenWin

          Resonance has also been the mechanism for energy transfer in much of Randell Mills’ hydrino theory. Mills has been on the ground flood of excess heat (CF) even before P&F’s 1989 announcement.

          • Ged

            Basically, nuclear resonance is the key to whatever mechanism, as there doesn’t seem to be a theory without it.

            Probably since resonance allows a very small input to compound and exponentially build within the limit of a system. See mythbusters vibrating a huge bridge with a 5 lb Tesla resonance device as an example.

          • LCD

            Resonance without a strong dampening mechanism would build energy over time which would explain why low energy is needed.

            But key in this theory that lois had summarized is that this is not enough to explain everything. For example lack of radiation.

            So louis AFAIK posits a perturbed wavefunction which is like saying (loosely) that a low energy back door opens up.

            This is key because you needed something to put into the “fusion” equations that allow for the lack of radiation observation.

  • This is good. I always had a feeling that resonance was part of the explanation. And I believe we will see more in this direction shortly. Will try to report as soon as I can.

    • Isn’t the Widom Larsen Theory using resonance effects of electrons (aka
      “collective motion”) to produce high energetic (large) electrons which
      could be easily captured by the hydrogen proton?

      Maybe they were already on the right track?

      • Ged

        This stuff here is quite different, though conceptually similar (electrons not having such a role and no electron-proton capture, but atomic resonance still involved). This is more like Dr. Kim’s linear two body bose-einstine condensate method of LENR. However, it may not be the same of even that, but yet again just conceptually similar; as I don’t think super oscillations leading to nucleus displacement tunneling was part of Dr. Kim’s theory.

        • GreenWin

          Resonance has also been the mechanism for energy transfer in much of Randell Mills’ hydrino theory. Mills has been on the ground flood of excess heat (CF) even before P&F’s 1989 announcement.

          • bachcole

            Yeah, but he still seems to be on the ground floor.

          • Ged

            Basically, nuclear resonance is the key to whatever mechanism, as there doesn’t seem to be a theory without it.

            Probably since resonance allows a very small input to compound and exponentially build within the limit of a system. See mythbusters vibrating a huge bridge with a 5 lb Tesla resonance device as an example.

          • LCD

            Resonance without a strong dampening mechanism would build energy over time which would explain why low energy is needed.

            But key in this theory that lois had summarized is that this is not enough to explain everything. For example lack of radiation.

            So louis AFAIK posits a perturbed wavefunction which is like saying (loosely) that a low energy back door opens up.

            This is key because you needed something to put into the “fusion” equations that allow for the lack of radiation observation.

  • Glen

    This is great. Perhaps we could give Irving Langmuir some props for discovering this a hundred years ago. To bad he was urged to sit on this by none other than Niels Bohr.

    As far as the navy is concerned, I get the feeling that they can now produce gold from lead.

  • wpj

    His bio says that he is a civilian worker there, not a member of the military

    • Ged

      Wouldn’t stop his work from getting classified and exempt from FIOA either.

      • wpj

        No, but maybe he was “grateful” for the freedom to do the work.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    This should be a blueprint on how to make a LENR reactor. The basic guidelines are all specified.

    What I find intriguing is the sentence “among a number of more interesting effects”. Does he mean these effects are more interesting than excess heat? I would be very interested in knowing what other effects have been observed.

    • Tannenbaum

      Agreed. I’m tempted to wonder if this includes direct electricity generation.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I thought it would be better to apply DFT to the metal hydride bonds because hydride is a very soft base by HSAB (HSAB is old but it can give you a rough idea) and bulk metals are soft acids. This might explain the transmutations. (see comment). And somewhere else on E-Catsite.
    https://ecatsite.wordpress.com/2012/04/04/what-happened-to-dr-miley/

  • blanco69

    Ok. Yesterday, I posted a comment about Prof DeChiaro spending the past 6 years working on a Powerpoint presentation on what the key LENR players were up to. The material above goes some way to dispell that somewhat mean appraisal. The notes above do raise an interesting proposition regarding materials modelling and the possibilty of engineering non metalic lattice structures from, say, graphene to maximise the effect. However, I’m still stightly puzzled at the slide pack presented by Navsea. My hope is that the presentation was a “LENR for Dummies” pack where Prof DeChiaro opens the door to the uninitiated. Or that there are a whole set of juicy slides as yet unrevealed detailing the more of the Profs own work as hinted at above.

    • Ged

      Since it is the Navy, some of or the key parts of his work may well be considered classified. Mastering LENR would give the US a serious and significant tactical advantage; very much worthy of classified status.

      • JIPelsor

        Some???! I guess. LOL

        • Ged

          Just speculation! It is within the Navy’s right and power; and makes sense from a national security perspective. But maybe they haven’t; hopefully.

  • blanco69

    Ok. Yesterday, I posted a comment about Prof DeChiaro spending the past 6 years working on a Powerpoint presentation on what the key LENR players were up to. The material above goes some way to dispell that somewhat mean appraisal. The notes above do raise an interesting proposition regarding materials modelling and the possibilty of engineering non metalic lattice structures from, say, graphene to maximise the effect. However, I’m still stightly puzzled at the slide pack presented by Navsea. My hope is that the presentation was a “LENR for Dummies” pack where Prof DeChiaro opens the door to the uninitiated. Or that there are a whole set of juicy slides as yet unrevealed detailing the more of the Profs own work as hinted at above.

    • Ged

      Since it is the Navy, some of or the key parts of his work may well be considered classified. Mastering LENR would give the US a serious and significant tactical advantage; very much worthy of classified status.

      • JIPelsor

        Some???! I guess. LOL

        • Ged

          Just speculation! It is within the Navy’s right and power; and makes sense from a national security perspective. But maybe they haven’t; hopefully.

  • Zephir

    /* The Naval Research Labs (NRL) ran over 300 experiments using pure Pd cathodes, all of them yielding negative results */

    According to my informations, the Italian ENEA lab achieves the cold fusion with palladium cathodes with roughly 70% reproducibility. But these cathodes must be machined in a specialized manner, probably for to introduce a sufficient amount of dislocations and defects into them, which would serve in similar way, like the foreign rhodium atoms. At any case, each system which will move the cold fusion effects closer to full reproducibility will open them for research with mainstream physics, which uses the irreproducibility as an evasion for lack of research. The majority of mainstream physicists isn’t inquisitive at all – they just look for reliable job which would warrant their effort.

    /* The overall hydrogen loading fraction must exceed the minimum threshold of about 0.88, otherwise the “party” never even gets started. Achieving this level of loading in Pd is not trivial.*/

    This is also what prof. Hagelstein and Swartz at MIT have found before many years already. Also the success of ENEA experiments depends on sufficient saturation of palladium with hydrogen.

    • Roland

      SPAWAR claimed 100% replicability after they began deposing palladium directly by electroplating rather than relying on bought palladium wire.

      There was a short documentary posted on this site that interviewed the participants and explained the conceptual evolution required to achieve consistent results.

      • Zephir

        Yep, I know about it. The codeposition is the most reliable method for various homebrew experiments.

  • Zephir

    /* The Naval Research Labs (NRL) ran over 300 experiments using pure Pd cathodes, all of them yielding negative results */

    According to my informations, the Italian ENEA lab achieves the cold fusion with palladium cathodes with roughly 70% reproducibility. But these cathodes must be machined in a specialized manner, probably for to introduce a sufficient amount of dislocations and defects into them, which would serve in similar way, like the foreign rhodium atoms. At any case, each system which will move the cold fusion effects closer to full reproducibility will open them for research with mainstream physics, which uses the irreproducibility as an evasion for lack of research. The majority of mainstream physicists isn’t inquisitive at all – they just look for reliable job which would warrant their effort.

    /* The overall hydrogen loading fraction must exceed the minimum threshold of about 0.88, otherwise the “party” never even gets started. Achieving this level of loading in Pd is not trivial.*/

    This is also what prof. Hagelstein and Swartz at MIT have found before many years already. Also the success of ENEA experiments depends on sufficient saturation of palladium with hydrogen.

    • Roland

      SPAWAR claimed 100% replicability after they began deposing palladium directly by electroplating rather than relying on bought palladium wire.

      There was a short documentary posted on this site that interviewed the participants and explained the conceptual evolution required to achieve consistent results.

      • Zephir

        Yep, I know about it. The codeposition is the most reliable method for various homebrew experiments.

  • wade_owen_watts

    10000 joules excess energy per gram is 1/4 of chemical density of gas. hat tip popeye.

    • Ged

      Close! It is closer to 1/3rd actually, assuming it is 100% hydrogen being referenced (it isn’t). Put in Pd in the calculation and it is quite a bit more than max chemical. In fact, since the loading ratio is less than 1:1 moles, and Pd is 100x more massive (less moles per gram) than hydrogen, and the energy calculation is per moles; the 10000 joules is more than -an order of magnitude- greater than max chemical, when done conservatively.

      But, it also depends on what they mean by “excess” (e.g. Excess over all possible chemical energy?), how much “over 10000” is, and how much “less than 1 gram” is, and what the other “interesting effects” were.

      These guys saw nothing in excess for so long and undoubtably know what they are doing when it comes to calculating that, but we’ll see.

  • rocky172534

    where’s mary yugo to shoot this down lol

  • rocky172534

    where’s mary yugo to shoot this down lol

  • BroKeeper

    ·
    Nero

    October 7th, 2015 at 2:50 AM

    Dear Andrea,

    is the old 1 MW plant (shipped from Italy to USA) still in function? Can you now
    disclose the costumer or at least your goal with this operation? Best regards…
    E che muoia la balena dopo averlo… Eh, eh, eh

    ·
    Andrea Rossi

    October 7th, 2015 at 7:39 AM

    Nero:

    The old 1 MW plant has been used to make experiments.That’s all I can say.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    Hmmm, I wonder what entity that could be?
    Experiments performed on proven experiments = theory? What would Rossi do without theory?
    BroKeeper

    • Gerard McEk

      I asked him a similar question a week ago. I know it was shipped to a military entity and asked about the status of that plant. AR replied he was not authorized to give any comment. So time will tell hopefully.

      • Kneebiter

        AR is not in a hurry to answer your latest question on his blog. Seems the (E)-cat’s got his tongue or something.

        • deleo77

          Now if Rossi would only answer the 64,000 dollar question, has he ever exchanged any information or given a reactor to Louis DeChiaro to study? The answer to that could be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

        • Alan DeAngelis

          This may be totally different from what F&P did and more like what Mitsubishi did where elements are transmuted in the presence of palladium. Even if deuterium is being consumed and helium is being formed we can’t assume d-d fusion is taking place. Maybe the following fusion-fission reaction is taking place. And the alloy would need to be fully saturated to take place.

          Rh + 2d > Ag* (silver in an excited state)

          Ag* > Rh + He
          _____________
          Overall:
          2d > He 24 MeV (no neutrons, no tritium and no gamma rays)

          • Alan DeAngelis

            PS
            Even in the F&P experiment it’s assumed that d-d fusion is taking place because deuterium is being consumed and helium is being formed. The absence of large amounts of neutrons, tritium and gamma rays indicates that a fusion-fission reaction is taking place.

            Pd + 2d > Cd* (cadmium in an excited state)

            Cd* > Pd + He
            _____________
            Overall
            2d > He 24 MeV (no neutrons, no tritium and no gamma rays)

            No need to dream up a complicated mechanism to explain away why there aren’t any

            24 MeV gamma rays.

          • bachcole

            According to Wikidpedia, who has no reason to be biased in this case, rhodium (Rh) cost $350,000 per kilogram in 2008. That would be $350 per gram, $5600 per ounce, and $159,090.91 per pound. Obviously rhodium is pretty impractical for “our” purposes.

          • Obvious

            5 year chart from Kitco

        • Gerard McEk

          Yes…..I guess it may be diffucult to give a comment without revealing too much details of the Ecat.

  • Brokeeper

    ·
    Nero

    October 7th, 2015 at 2:50 AM

    Dear Andrea,

    is the old 1 MW plant (shipped from Italy to USA) still in function? Can you now
    disclose the costumer or at least your goal with this operation? Best regards…
    E che muoia la balena dopo averlo… Eh, eh, eh

    ·
    Andrea Rossi

    October 7th, 2015 at 7:39 AM

    Nero:

    The old 1 MW plant has been used to make experiments.That’s all I can say.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

    Hmmm, I wonder what entity that could be?
    Experiments performed on proven experiments = theory? What would Rossi do without theory?
    See the irony (kindest word I can think of) in all of this?
    BroKeeper

    • Gerard McEk

      I asked him a similar question a week ago. I know it was shipped to a military entity and asked about the status of that plant. AR replied he was not authorized to give any comment. So time will tell hopefully.

      • Kneebiter

        AR is not in a hurry to answer your latest question on his blog. Seems the (E)-cat’s got his tongue or something.

        • deleo77

          Now if Rossi would only answer the 64,000 dollar question, has he ever exchanged any information or given a reactor to Louis DeChiaro to study? The answer to that could be the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

        • Gerard McEk

          Yes…..I guess it may be diffucult to give a comment without revealing too much details of the Ecat.

  • as I said, it came from Albert Opdenaker,
    who clearly stated it was ok for publication (agreed by the Navsea),

    both him and DeChiaro have co-authored few article and presentations about LENR…

    this presentation shows nothing really new.

    It is great, but it is great since very long ago.

    • Brent Buckner

      Did you say that about the IEEE presentation slides only, or also about the “research notes” of this post? Please advise!

      • only the slides.

        good precision, thanks.

  • bfast
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  • Ged

    Close! It is closer to 1/3rd actually, assuming it is 100% hydrogen being referenced. Put in Pd in the calculation and it is quite a bit more than max chemical.

    But, it all depends on what they mean by “excess” (e.g. Excess over all possible chemical energy), how much “over 10000” is, and how much “less than 1 gram” is.

    These guess saw nothing for so long and undoubtably know what they are doing, but we’ll see.

  • deleo77

    Just wondering on the timing of this. As has been reported here, next week Airbus is going to make a major announcement about a theoretical breakthrough for LENR. Is it possible that the U.S. Navy was trying to get a jump on them by putting this out this week?

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/14/airbus-scientist-announces-theoretical-breakthrough-in-cold-fusion-to-be-revealed-in-october/

    • Mats002

      Or they are correlated, sharing the same theory and experimental framework. Is Airbus and US Navy (and NATO Airforce I suppose) cooperating in LENR?

      • I don’t thinks so.
        No evidence support collaboration with Airbus.
        Airbus is an EU-centered organisation.

        Nasa and Boeing collaborate much, with Lockheedmartin too.
        Navy, collaborate with SRI, ENEA, maybe SKINR…
        I see no link between Navy and Nasa, Boeing, Lockheed martin.

        ENEA and Airbus seems not connected, even if many Italian researchers work with LENRG.

        • Jarea

          So i am now more curious about the theoretical breakthrough announced by Airbus 😀

          • Don’t expect too much.
            As far as I’ve heard, JFG will propose a general framework of energy creation where LENR is a natural possibility, like is fire, fission, hot fusion… The goal is :
            “to revert the burden of proof”.
            “LENR is impossible” ? JFG will say, “you have to prove it”.

            Personally I don’t care, because this is self-evident.
            When there is experimental evidence, burden of proof is on theory.
            Moreover I don’t see how LENR is impossible, except using the fallacious argument that nobody find a way for it to happen, or that assuming simplifications (few body, vacuum, DD hot fusion) it is formally incompatible with theory (CoM requires gamma).

        • Omega Z

          NASA does many things under the construct & supervision of the various U.S. Military branches. NASA’s origins began with the Air force. Their pilots & nearly all the astronauts came from the Navy & Air force. They even retain their rank.

          Most Americans see NASA as an independent civilian agency. That’s what is portrayed tho the highly visible evidence tells a different story. People do not see what is hidden in plain sight.

          People from these various agencies are involved/visit with Mitsubishi, Toyota, ENEA, French energy agencies & many others in Europe in an unofficially claimed capacity.

          My point is, if you look close enough, you will find connections even to Airbus. Unofficially of course as private individuals. People do not see what is hidden in plain sight.

  • Bob Greenyer

    From one of my sources inside NRL

    “NRL is not NAVSEA and NRL has no control over what they release. To the best of my knowledge, Lou made that report… Most of the report is a review of past experiments and Lou’s take on their results. However, I did not hear his speech, and I do not know what caveats he placed on the words in the slides.”

  • Herb Gillis

    If we take this paper at face value it indicates that an alloy is required for both Pd based and Ni based LENR systems. I would be very interested to see what the model will tell us about the relationship between the atomic mass of the alloying metal and the LENR effect. For example; what would happen if a small amount of a very high mass element were included in the alloy (such as W or Pb)? Would this amplify or reduce the LENR effect?

    • Axil Axil

      In his patent, Holmlid identifies palladium and iridium are catalysts that produce hydrogen rydberg matter. I sited research below that confirms this observation. Palladium does so at very high loading. The addition of rhodium might reduce the loading requirements needed to produce rydberg matter by allowing voids to form more easily in the crystal structure of palladium to open at a lower hydrogen loading level. These lattice imperfections are the sites on the surface of palladium were the hydrogen rydberg crystals form.

      In early palladium experiments, it was found that certain lots of palladium were more LENR active than other lots. This could be due to the presents of other noble metal contaminants alloyed in the palladium. I would try ruthenium, palladium, osmium, iridium, and platinum as platinum family contaminates alloyed in palladium in addition to rhodium.

      • Ecco

        He is not saying that palladium and iridium are catalysts on their own, but that certain catalysts, including metallic ones comprising Pd or Ir, can also work for RM production.

        • Axil Axil

          If you would be kind enough to look at this study on palladium showing void formation and associated hydrogen crystal formation in those voids, it looks like hydrogen rydberg matter formation in palladium to me.

          http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/Wolf.html

          Your opinion as alway is welcome.

          • Da Phys

            What makes you think that a metal hydride such as PD-H would produce H Rydberg matter? Same theory as Pekka Soinonen?

          • Axil Axil

            There may be the same cluster formation mechanism for hydrogen aggregation at work between rust and palladium. Miley has verified that Hydrogen rydberg matter forms inside the voids present in rust. The same void forming process occurs in palladium at high loading. Co disposition of palladium hydride may also form hydrogen Rydberg matter which produce perfect LENR replication results.

          • Da Phys

            Interesting indeed but, if the case, how do you explain that Pd-D works but not Pd-H?

          • Axil Axil

            The photonic stimulation by heat is not strong enough to elicit a reaction using protium in palladium as a bulk material. I suspect that if the palladium was used as nanoparticles in water, a reaction in light water would be successful, Gold nanoparticles in water irradiated with a laser will be successful in producing the LENR reaction in both light and heavy water.

          • Ecco

            What I’m saying is that a lump of solid Pd metal by itself isn’t going to work off the bat unless its lattice structure gets heavily modified. In cold fusion experiments like the ones by DeChiaro (as reported in this blogpost) this is usually performed through deuterium loading and electrolysis over prolonged periods of time. This process can radically alter the lattice and with much luck eventually produce the nano vacancies needed for excess heat production.
            Alloying Pd with a different metal might further increase chances that right vacancies form in the process, but it still might not be enough in some cases.

            What Leif Holmlid’s research suggests is that by employing a prepared (or commercially available) heterogeneous catalyst one might be able to produce Rydberg Matter Hydrogen (possibly the culprit for excess heat in cold fusion experiments) reproducibly and immediately. Besides using potassium-iron oxide catalysts, he suggests in his patent that metallic catalysts could also be used. These usually include a dense micro/nano dispersion of a reactive metal (like Pd) on a porous ceramic support like alumina for structural stability and increased area, so they might already have the needed nano vacancies from the get-go.

            It seems therefore possible that one could shortcut the entire loading and electrolysis process, needed with pure metals or alloys, by using a properly prepared catalyst. Some (like iron oxide Fischer-Tropsch/Styrene catalysts) might work better than others.

          • Axil Axil

            Thanks for your long and well considered response. We are of like mind on this subject. I adhere to the single causation modality in LENR theory, IMHO, pursuant to this belief, it is important to show a common LENR mechanism across many seemingly dissimilar LENR methods.

            For example, rust, palladium, and Fischer-Tropsch/Styrene catalysts, all use the same LENR generation mechanism: the formation of hydrogen Rydberg matter.

  • Herb Gillis

    If we take this paper at face value it indicates that an alloy is required for both Pd based and Ni based LENR systems. I would be very interested to see what the model will tell us about the relationship between the atomic mass of the alloying metal and the LENR effect. For example; what would happen if a small amount of a very high mass element were included in the alloy (such as W or Pb)? Would this amplify or reduce the LENR effect?

    • Axil Axil

      In his patent, Holmlid identifies palladium and iridium are catalysts that produce hydrogen rydberg matter. I sited research below that confirms this observation. Palladium does so at very high loading. The addition of rhodium might reduce the loading requirements needed to produce rydberg matter by allowing voids to form more easily in the crystal structure of palladium to open at a lower hydrogen loading level. These lattice imperfections are the sites on the surface of palladium were the hydrogen rydberg crystals form.

      In early palladium experiments, it was found that certain lots of palladium were more LENR active than other lots. This could be due to the presents of other noble metal contaminants alloyed in the palladium. I would try ruthenium, osmium, iridium, and platinum as platinum family contaminates alloyed in palladium in addition to rhodium.

      • Ecco

        He is not saying that palladium and iridium are catalysts on their own, but that certain catalysts, including metallic ones comprising Pd or Ir, can also work for RM production.

        • Axil Axil

          If you would be kind enough to look at this study on palladium showing void formation and associated hydrogen crystal formation in those voids, it looks like hydrogen rydberg matter formation in palladium to me.

          http://www.psc.edu/science/Wolf/Wolf.html

          Your opinion as alway is welcome.

          • Da Phys

            What makes you think that a metal hydride such as PD-H would produce H Rydberg matter? Same theory as Pekka Soinonen?

          • Axil Axil

            There may be the same cluster formation mechanism for hydrogen aggregation at work between rust and palladium. Miley has verified that Hydrogen rydberg matter forms inside the voids present in rust. The same void forming process occurs in palladium at high loading. Co disposition of palladium hydride may also form hydrogen Rydberg matter which produce perfect LENR replication results.

          • Da Phys

            Interesting indeed but, if the case, how do you explain that Pd-D works but not Pd-H?

          • Axil Axil

            The photonic stimulation by heat is not strong enough to elicit a reaction using protium in palladium as a bulk material. I suspect that if the palladium was used as nanoparticles in water, a reaction in light water would be successful, Gold nanoparticles in water irradiated with a laser will be successful in producing the LENR reaction in both light and heavy water.

          • Ecco

            What I’m saying is that a lump of solid Pd metal by itself isn’t going to work off the bat unless its lattice structure gets heavily modified. In cold fusion experiments like the ones by DeChiaro (as reported in this blogpost) this is usually performed through deuterium loading and electrolysis over prolonged periods of time. This process can radically alter the lattice and with much luck eventually produce the nano vacancies needed for excess heat production.
            Alloying Pd with a different metal might further increase chances that right vacancies form in the process, but it still might not be enough in some cases.

            What Leif Holmlid’s research suggests is that by employing a prepared (or commercially available) heterogeneous catalyst one might be able to produce Rydberg Matter Hydrogen (possibly the culprit for excess heat in cold fusion experiments) reproducibly and immediately. Besides using potassium-iron oxide catalysts, he suggests in his patent that metallic catalysts could also be used. These usually include a dense micro/nano dispersion of a reactive metal (like Pd) on a porous ceramic support like alumina for structural stability and increased area, so they might already have the needed nano vacancies from the get-go.

            It seems therefore possible that one could shortcut the entire loading and electrolysis process, needed with pure metals or alloys, by using a properly prepared catalyst. Some (like iron oxide Fischer-Tropsch/Styrene catalysts) might work better than others.

          • Axil Axil

            Thanks for your long and well considered response. We are of like mind on this subject. I adhere to the single causation modality in LENR theory. IMHO pursuant to this belief, it is important to show a common LENR mechanism across many seemingly dissimilar LENR methods.

            For example, rust, palladium, and Fischer-Tropsch/Styrene catalysts, all use the same LENR generation mechanism: the formation of hydrogen Rydberg matter.

  • Stephen

    This may start off on a tangent but bear with me it gets interesting at the end:

    Have Boron Nitrate Nano tubes been considered for LENR as a catalyst?

    I was originally looking at them to see if fibres made form them could be used to strengthen some of the ceramic tubes being used in experiments but it got much more interesting as i started to read more about them.

    They have some interesting properties all of which may be useful for this task:

    They form strong fibers like carbon nano tubes

    They are stable to much higher temperatures than Carbon Nano tubes (about 1000 deg C i think)

    They have a very high neutron absorption cross section compared to other materials and have been considered by NASA for cosmic ray shielding because of this.

    They are easily manufactured using Chemical Vapour deposition and ball milling

    Looking further:

    They are also very good absorbers of Hydrogen… I read 0.85% interms a weight but I am not sure if this is pressure or temperature dependant. Collapsed BNNT also have higher surface area that may bring some benefit and a allow greater absorption

    They have interesting electrical properties due to a large electrical band gap of 5.5 eV. I’m not sure if this is of benefit or not for LENR?

    They are also resistant to Oxygenation and is also super Hydrophobic which I am also not sure if this is of benefit or not for LENR?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4311706/

    It is also possible to have Doped BNNT with Carbon, Copper, Silicon etc which seem to mostly be used to modify the electrical effects.

    There also seem to be a lot of publications based on its use in spintronics.

    The following is what got me excited especially in terms of this article:

    Hydrogen Adsorption on Rh, Ni, and Pd Functionalized Single-Walled Boron Nitride Nanotubes, by L. P. Zhang*, P. Wu*, and M. B. Sullivan Institute of High Performance Computing, 1 Fusionopolis Way, #16-16 Connexis, Singapore 138632

    http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp1078554

    I haven’t read the whole paper as it requires payment but the abstract already got me interested.

    Here is a quote of their abstract:

    “Rhodium, nickel, and palladium functionalized single-walled boron nitride nanotubes (SWBNNTs) and their applications to hydrogen storage have been investigated using density functional theory (DFT). Single Rh, Ni, and Pd atoms prefer to bind strongly at the axial bridge site of BN nanotube, and each Rh, Ni and Pd atom bound on BNNT may adsorb up to four, three, and two H2 molecules, respectively, with the H−H bonds of H2 molecules significantly elongated. More H2 molecules would bind with metal atoms and tubes when four metal atoms are dispersed at the bridge sites per cell, the presence of Rh, Ni, and Pd metal atoms leads to high hydrogen storage capacity on BNNTs. In addition, our calculation results also show that the nature of interaction between hydrogen and metal-doped BNNT is due to the hybridization of the metal d orbital with the hydrogen s orbital. Our work not only predicts hydrogen capacities and their binding energies for metal-doped BNNTs but also advances the understanding of the nature of hydrogen adsorption for efficient hydrogen storage.”

    Could BNNT’s doped or otherwise be used as a catalyst either by itself or along with Nickel and Paladium metal alloy particles etc?…. Could some kind of Alloy incorporate BNNT with some benefit?

    Would it meet the stretching Mode criteria and permit suitable vibrations I wonder.

    May be interesting to put some BNNT inside a working reactor to see what happens to it.

    • Axil Axil

      Boron and carbon have higher Debye temperatures which means that they are suitable for very high temperature LENR applications. It is hard to get a gainful COP out of high temperature LENR reactions. These types of elements might work well in the Suncell which is a plasma based reaction. In a plasma based LENR reaction, the element must first be vaporized then condensed into nanoparticles. The lighter the element is. the better for LENR. Carbon does well is arc driven discharge in water and in microwave driven plasma reactions. In other works, the LENR system in which an element is used must be optimized for that element.

      • Stephen

        Thanks Axil, I was thinking more in terms of using the material as a catalyst than a fuel or perhaps as and aid or catalyst for the catalyst I’m very curious about this but not a material scientist or chemist so I’m not sure how far it goes.

        Its interesting if Boron can also have LENR fuel applications. I understand as an element it is a good neutron absorber (like BNNT which has the benefit of the absorbed Hydrogen) but tends to decay to Carbon 12, or rarely Be8 and an Alpha. This is interesting if Neutrons are present especially the second reaction given what we know happens to Be8! I suppose Proton absorption would lead to stable Carbon 12. Having said that Im not sure the BNNT are stable at these high temperatures, but maybe locally if a LENR event destroys the BNNT and high T is present the B can react this way?

        Edit: Ironically if Carbon 12 is generated it won’t be Carbon Neutral exactly…

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have published a statement from NRL source on their position, re their data, cited in the recent Louis F. DeChiaro, Ph.D (NAVSEA) report

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/1051219568242075

    • Omega Z

      Bob
      You have people leaving themselves a little wiggle room I believe. No one will fully come forward.

      NRL has been involved in Multiple LENR projects since P&F or is it just 1 long spread out project. They worked in collaboration with ENEA for at least 3 years.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Leaving doubt is the mark of a true scientist – that is what makes them so easy to challenge.

        We published what was said verbatim – read into it what you will.

    • Jarea

      Bob could you ask your source why do they know about Eve? I thought you said NRL and NAVSEA are completely different sections.
      Is NRL a competitor of NAVSEA regarding funding?, i don’t understand why they try to diminish the achievements of NAVSEA.

      • Bob Greenyer

        NAVSEA have taken a look at historical data from NRL – I have no idea if NAVSEA have conducted their own research.

  • Bob Greenyer

    We have published a statement from NRL source on their position, re their data, cited in the recent Louis F. DeChiaro, Ph.D (NAVSEA) report

    https://www.facebook.com/MartinFleischmannMemorialProject/posts/1051219568242075

    • Omega Z

      Bob
      You have people leaving themselves a little wiggle room I believe. No one will fully come forward.

      NRL has been involved in Multiple LENR projects since P&F or is it just 1 long spread out project. They worked in collaboration with ENEA for at least 3 years.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Leaving doubt is the mark of a true scientist – that is what makes them so easy to challenge.

        We published what was said verbatim – read into it what you will.

    • Jarea

      Bob could you ask your source why do they know about Eve? I thought you said NRL and NAVSEA are completely different sections.
      Is NRL a competitor of NAVSEA regarding funding?, i don’t understand why they try to diminish the achievements of NAVSEA.

      • Bob Greenyer

        NAVSEA have taken a look at historical data from NRL – I have no idea if NAVSEA have conducted their own research.

  • psi2u2

    How interesting it is that this is being released now. We must be nearing some big public breakthrough for LENR.

  • psi2u2

    How interesting it is that this is being released now. We must be nearing some big public breakthrough for LENR.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    This may be totally different from what F&P did and more like what Mitsubishi did where elements are transmuted in the presence of palladium. Even if deuterium is being consumed and helium is being formed we can’t assume d-d fusion is taking place. Maybe the following fusion-fission reaction is taking place. And the alloy would need to be fully saturated to take place.

    Rh + 2d > Ag* (silver in an excited state)

    Ag* > Rh + He
    _____________
    Overall:
    2d > He 24 MeV (no neutrons, no tritium and no gamma rays)

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      Even in the F&P experiment it’s assumed that d-d fusion is taking place because deuterium is being consumed and helium is being formed. The absence of large amounts of neutrons, tritium and gamma rays indicates that a fusion-fission reaction is taking place.

      Pd + 2d > Cd* (cadmium in an excited state)

      Cd* > Pd + He
      _____________
      Overall
      2d > He 24 MeV (no neutrons, no tritium and no gamma rays)

      No need to dream up a complicated mechanism to explain away why there aren’t any

      24 MeV gamma rays.

    • bachcole

      According to Wikidpedia, who has no reason to be biased in this case, rhodium (Rh) cost $350,000 per kilogram in 2008. That would be $350 per gram, $5600 per ounce, and $159,090.91 per pound. Obviously rhodium is pretty impractical for “our” purposes.

  • Sandy

    These reports make me wonder if fixing a palladium wire, maybe ten feet long, in a jig and then stretching the wire until it starts to make little snap and crackle noises, might create discontinuities in the palladium lattice that can become sites where Rydberg matter forms. It might also help to twist the wire 90 degrees one way, and then 90 degrees back the other way, while the wire is being stretched.

  • Sandy

    These reports make me wonder if fixing a palladium wire, maybe ten feet long, in a jig and then stretching the wire until it starts to make little snap and crackle noises, might create discontinuities in the palladium lattice that can become sites where Rydberg matter forms. It might also help to twist the wire 90 degrees one way, and then 90 degrees back the other way, while the wire is being stretched.

  • Sanjeev

    The resonance idea brings to mind the photo of Rossi listening to his E-Cat via a S-scope. Is it possible that resonance is in audible range or at least produces some audible effects. If yes then may be he was trying to guess if the E-Cat is resonating at the correct frequency.

    • Gerald

      Didn’t Rossi call it like listening to an orchestra of sounds. I remember he could hear if the cats where running well. Makes me thing, is this why its called a cat? Because it sounds like the spinning sound that a cat makes maybe?

      • Manuel Cruz

        Because E-Cat stands for Energy Catalyzer

        • Gerald

          Sorry, yes I know from the catalyzer Manuel. But what I also know from reading here last couple of years that Rossi mostly means more things then one. He loves to give little hints in words and metafors. Mostly his remarks make me smile a little.

      • Sanjeev

        I suggest attaching a microphone (on a cold spot) to one of the reactors and plot the sound data. Probably we will see something interesting.

    • US_Citizen71

      Probably more likely listening for liquid sounds like cavitation and such. If a pump is
      cavitating your flow rate will be reduced. Leading to uneven cooling and ???

      • Sanjeev

        A flow meter would do that job more effectively, I guess.

        • US_Citizen71

          But a flow meter wouldn’t be able to tell you where the issue was happening. At this point my guess is Rossi’s problems are likely 80/20 – plumbing/ECat , listening to pipes and fluid systems to find trouble areas is not a new diagnostic tool.

      • Obvious

        That’s pretty much my guess.
        Sounds of trouble, like “drip, drip”, “hissss” and (worst) groans.

    • Axil Axil

      Rossi is listening for Bosenova explosions that pop when SPPs reach and then exceed maximum energy storage levels.

  • we need no public money, we are economically viable, provided we use good organizations (LENRG style) to bootstrap the market.

    we need no academic support, we have scientific evidence.
    we need no journalist support, we have good news.
    we need no political support, it is safe and cheap energy.

    all we need is they shut up, journalist, editors, scaremongers politicians, and academic, and let LENR scientists work, engineers develop, blogger inform, and investors invest, without being systematically attacked by FUD, mindguards scaremongers and conspiracy theorists.

    “Laissez nous faire !” (F**k)

    • Roger Barker

      Hi everybody, Roger Barker here. I’ve posted on ecatnews before but got banned from there because I was taking it to Popeye, Mary Yugo and co. They didn’t like that much.

      This particular finding from navsea is very interesting. Where are they with their research now?

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I don’t get it. I’m too feeble minded. If it is d-d fusion, why doesn’t have the same branching ratios of products as muon catalyzed fusion (the other cold fusion)?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Pardon me. I meant to ask: …why doesn’t this tunneling
      reaction have…

      I just think the theorists have been making the wrong assumptions since 1989. I think there is something going on that resembles d-d fusion in that deuterium is going in and helium is being created but it’s not d-d fusion.

      2d + ? > He + ?
      Overall:
      2d > He 24 MeV

    • Axil Axil

      If it was D-D fusion, we would see 50% tritium. No tritium is seen.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I don’t get it. I’m too feeble minded. If it is d-d fusion, why doesn’t have the same branching ratios of products as muon catalyzed fusion (the other cold fusion)?

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Pardon me. I meant to ask: …why doesn’t this tunneling
      reaction have…

      I just think the theorists have been making the wrong assumptions since 1989. I think there is something going on that resembles d-d fusion in that deuterium is going in and helium is being created but it’s not d-d fusion.

      2d + ? > He + ?
      Overall:
      2d > He 24 MeV

    • Axil Axil

      If it was D-D fusion, we would see 50% tritium. No tritium is seen. The helium might arise from the formation of alpha particles as in the Be8 reaction that Rossi likes.

  • Sanjeev

    I suggest attaching a microphone (on a cold spot) to one of the reactors and plot the sound data. Probably we will see something interesting.

  • Robert Ellefson

    Here is the ICCF17 presentation (given in 2012) from these folks, which appears to show data from the experiments referenced by Dr. DeChiaro. He is listed as an author, along with several NRL folks. Thanks to GED for the link.
    http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DominguezDanomalousr.pdf

  • RLittle

    The muon catalyzed fusion is feasible within the lattice of the pycnomedia involving the excitement of the core of the pycnomedia of the Ni and/or Fe as the excitements of many core electrons outward from the nucleus and penetration of the many hydrides, hydrogens and/or protons inward (core states) toward the nucleus via the continuum dynamics (virtual excitements via thermal energy) (which are anharmonic vibrations) [ as noted in http://www.google.com/patents/US20140140461 ] can cause high energy protons in the core of these metals as the pycnomedia. Some kind of sporadic perturbation of the pycnonuclear lattice can cause the sudden emissions of such high energy protons (in the core of these metals) which are of such high energy to be as cosmic rays. Such cosmic ray like protons can interact with electrons to produce muons in this pycnomedia; this mechanism would be a catalyzed formation of muons. The muons can thereby effect nuclear reactions. Holmlid noted recently to look for muons in LENR; but he halted as he noted his process generates muons via hot processes as excited by laser and it is so as he uses only hydrogen and it would be autocatalytic. But by these metal lattices and in particular (as introduced in http://www.google.com/patents/US20140140461) the cores of these metal atoms a novel catalytic process was introduced in 2005 by RBL! Based on the 2005 mechanism [ http://www.google.com/patents/US20140140461%5D muons can be produced by core high energy protons in such systems. (Quite beautifully I coupled such core states to surface states in April 2005 prior to Widom Larsen in May 2005) As the intrinsic nature by such mechanism is energy in the form of potential and fields in such pycnomedia the mechanism and dynamics would be different from the convention hot fusion dynamics and very high temperature environment. Such should be the case as in the Ni and Fe the process is catalyzed. Based on the mechanism [ http://www.google.com/patents/US20140140461%5D this catalytic mechanism would be accelerated in Ni and Fe due to the ferromagnetism. The process may be excited in Pd especially nano as hydrogen may induce weaker ferromagnetism in Pd nano but the process would be more fragile. I can easily reason Rh via its electronic vacancy at valence enhancing the magnetic of the Pd to accelerate the process in Pd/Rh alloy. Sorry to intrude – RBL

    • Axil Axil

      Holmlid has not detected high energy protons in his sensors. Even more surprising, He reports that muons are produced under the illumination of fluorescent tube lighting from his lab. Muons were detected in diminishing amounts even after the light were turned off. There is a energy storage and amplification mechanism at work here. Your theory would be well served to incorporate that idea into its workings.

      • RLittle

        You are correct Holmlid has not detected high energy protons in his system at least not as indicated in published communications; But I never said he did detect such high energy protons. I mentioned such high energy protons as they (as you know) are known to produce muons in interaction with electrons. Thereby my intent in the prior message was to note how such high energy protons may be produced in some metal hydride systems as I noted in patent ten years ago { http://www.google.com/patents/US20140140461} wherein I noted by energy accumulation and thereby just as high energy protons in cosmic rays can generate muons a mechanism thereby where the high energy protons in these metal hydrides can also generate muons and be a means of unconventional nuclear reactions. Thank for your note. I only clarify the prior. And it is not my intention here to get involved in a competitive discussion with you here. I have nothing further to discuss with you on the topic.

        • Axil Axil

          I am fascinated by how the light from a low power light source can be collected and amplified to such a huge level that that diluted energy source can produce muons. The CERN project wants to produce muons using a muon factory for research purposes at the cost of 20 billion Euros. CERN intend to use high energy protons to due this job. There is something amazing in Holmlid’s findings that begs for an explanation.

          See:

          New boson sparks call for ‘Higgs factory’

          http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2012/jul/05/new-boson-sparks-call-for-higgs-factory

          Quote:

          “CERN’s discovery of a new fundamental particle – most likely a Higgs boson – was barely hours old when physicists speaking at this year’s Lindau Nobel Laureate Meeting in Germany argued the case for a new facility to measure its properties in detail. Speaking out in favour of a new machine was former CERN boss Carlo Rubbia, who shared the 1984 Nobel Prize for Physics for the discovery of the W and Z bosons. “The technology is there to construct a Higgs factory,” he claimed. “You don’t need €10bn; it could be done relatively cheaply.”

    • Stephen

      Hi RLittle, Your posts never intrude, You are certainly one of the most intelligent and knowledgable thinkers in LENR and I think you are highly respected and always welcome here. I for example was very impressed by this and your earlier posts and I very much respect your approach. I hope you continue to add your insights here they certainly help my understanding. Your knowledge and ideas are an important part of the LENR story and investigation and should continue to be part of it.

      • RLittle

        Hi Sir,
        Thanks for your kind encouraging words. Over so very many years with so little encouragement it is tremendous to me. Thanks very much. RBL

  • Tadej

    Article about resonance and frequency in E-Cat:
    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=806

  • Jarea

    Hi Frank,

    Next Big Future says that NASA subsonic ultra green aircraft reasearch has announced a report looking LENR.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/08/subsonic-ultra-green-aircraft-research.html

    That deserves an article too XD

    • BroKeeper

      Published May 2012. But does not negate their goals.

  • Jarea

    Hi Frank,

    Next Big Future says that NASA subsonic ultra green aircraft reasearch has delivered a report looking at LENR.

    http://nextbigfuture.com/2012/08/subsonic-ultra-green-aircraft-research.html

    NASA report
    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120009038.pdf

    That deserves an article too XD

    • gregha

      very old info

    • bachcole

      ” in case the technology pans out.” So we are back to square Rossi, which is definitely NOT square one.

    • Brokeeper

      Published May 2012. But does not negate their goals.

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I think that Mills theory for two atom molecules can be used to explain an increase in
    cross-sections that I’ve not seen mentioned when discussing the recent notes from
    Louis DeChiaro.

    The short story is that one of the factors that demand such high energies in standard theory
    is that any small deflection from a perfect hit will deflect the trajectory if the incoming nucleus is
    at small energies, so you you not only need to overcome the energy barrier to hit the target, you must also have such high momentum so that the repulsion have less impact on the deflection.

    What I can argue from reading Randell Mills GUTCP and perhaps one can copy the idea over
    to QM is that essentially the electron field and an interplay with angular momentum enable a focusing effect of the incoming nucleus at lower energies meaning that cross-section increases many orders of magnitude. If you then consider a condensed matter you could realize that this aiming is aligning the movements more and more for each oscillation and resulting in a nucleus
    hit at high rate. Also note that for high energy hits are at large relative speeds. But if we have
    an aiming effect in condensed matter we tend to have much lower relative speeds at an hit. Could this low relative hit mean that we have a more spherical symmetric interaction and much more balance essentially enabling other kinds of radiation phenomena then what is expected from high energy fusion experiments. Remember most of our experience is at high energy collisions.

    What is this aiming. Well, as the nucleus approach the target the most energy efficient electron distribution for the combined cluster is that of a cigar or ellipsoid with the angular momentum axis along the long axis of the ellipsoid. If the in-coming nucleus is missing the target we would essentially get an angular momentum that is varying if we assumed the minimal energy distribution if the electron field for each radial distance, but the system preserve the angular momentum. So a less energetically electron distribution must be the reality. In an oscillation the best energetically period is
    one that does a perfect hit e.g. there is a force that aims the nucleus to align perfectly. At least that
    is how I picture it myself the reality is more complex, but you get the principle from my argument.

    Enjoy!

  • Stefan Israelsson Tampe

    I think that Mills theory for two atom molecules can be used to explain an increase in
    cross-sections that I’ve not seen mentioned when discussing the recent notes from
    Louis DeChiaro.

    The short story is that one of the factors that demand such high energies in standard theory
    is that any small deflection from a perfect hit will deflect the trajectory if the incoming nucleus is
    at small energies, so you you not only need to overcome the energy barrier to hit the target, you must also have such high momentum so that the repulsion have less impact on the deflection.

    What I can argue from reading Randell Mills GUTCP and perhaps one can copy the idea over
    to QM is that essentially the electron field and an interplay with angular momentum enable a focusing effect of the incoming nucleus at lower energies meaning that cross-section increases many orders of magnitude. If you then consider a condensed matter you could realize that this aiming is aligning the movements more and more for each oscillation and resulting in a nucleus
    hit at high rate. Also note that for high energy hits are at large relative speeds. But if we have
    an aiming effect in condensed matter we tend to have much lower relative speeds at an hit. Could this low relative hit mean that we have a more spherical symmetric interaction and much more balance essentially enabling other kinds of radiation phenomena then what is expected from high energy fusion experiments. Remember most of our experience is at high energy collisions.

    What is this aiming. Well, as the nucleus approach the target the most energy efficient electron distribution for the combined cluster is that of a cigar or ellipsoid with the angular momentum axis along the long axis of the ellipsoid. If the in-coming nucleus is missing the target we would essentially get an angular momentum that is varying if we assumed the minimal energy distribution if the electron field for each radial distance, but the system preserve the angular momentum. So a less energetically electron distribution must be the reality. In an oscillation the best energetically period is
    one that does a perfect hit e.g. there is a force that aims the nucleus to align perfectly. At least that
    is how I picture it myself the reality is more complex, but you get the principle from my argument.

    Enjoy!

  • protn7

    DeChiaro’s observations gibe well with those of Ikegami. His group also noted that molecules and not sibgle atoms were necessary for LENR reactions. Ikegami has written several volumes and papers about his theory.

  • Roger Barker

    Hi everybody, Roger Barker here. I’ve posted on ecatnews before but got banned from there because I was taking it to Popeye, Mary Yugo and co. They didn’t like that much.

    This particular finding from navsea is very interesting. Where are they with their research now?

    • bachcole

      You must be new to Disqus because I clicked your handle (name) and got only this comment that I am commenting on now. What was your handle at ecatnews?

      By the way, I used to be at ecatnews and I liked it. I guess it was before the owner turned on Rossi.

      • Roger Barker

        Hi bachcole. I was Roger Barker. Most of my comments were removed because the deniers didn’t like me expressing my opinions on their site.

        • Slad

          The wig got full

          • Roger Barker

            Yes it did … got full good. But you will find I am posting here freely. And if you read down what I write you will understand me better. 🙂

          • Slad

            I have no problems with a sticky wig…

          • Roger Barker

            I’ve been posting many a gem for the ecatnews haters to read on this site. I bet they’re foaming at the mouth and pleasuring each other as we speak! No need to “read down” on that. 😉

  • Optist

    What’s the relationship between magnetism and localised high energy oscillations?

  • Optist

    What’s the relationship between magnetism and localised high energy oscillations?

  • Slad

    The wig got full

  • Slad

    I have no problems with a sticky wig…

  • Brent Buckner
  • sam

    It is interesting that that they comprare Rossi method to Edison
    hunt and try method.
    This is exactly what AR has been doing.
    The fact they did 300 experiments before they had positive results
    is interesting.
    The person who wrote this sounds sincere to me.

  • sam

    It is interesting that that they comprare Rossi method to Edison
    hunt and try method.
    This is exactly what AR has been doing.
    The fact they did 300 experiments before they had positive results
    is interesting.
    The person who wrote this sounds sincere to me.