Rossi Hopes for Public Presentation of E-Cat X Plant this Year (Update: Says ABB Is Providing the Production Robotics)

Andrea Rossi has said many times that now the 1MW plant test is over he is now focusing all his efforts on developing the E-Cat X, and getting it ready for mass production. It seems that he has his heart set on getting plants on the market this year — and also doing a presentation of the plant.

Here are some comments about this presentation:

Andrea Rossi
February 25, 2016 at 7:37 AM
Rick Norris:
We are proceeding very well and in several months we’ll have, perhaps, to make a great presentation. But it could also fail, so we have to work, work, work on it.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Patrice Delvoux:
I hope that we will have it in operation in 2016; we will present it officially and in that occasion the information you request will be released.
F9.
Warm Regards
A.R.

Q: This presentation you refer to: do you want it to be in private, or for the general public to see?

Andrea Rossi
February 25, 2016 at 1:00 PM
Frank Acland:
That will be a very important presentation of a product. It has to be studied carefully and my intention is to make it publicly. This issue will be discussed with the people we will have to agree with.
Warm Regards
A.R.

If Rossi wants to make a big splash, a public presentation of the E-Cat X would certainly be the way to get the world’s attention. But a public presentation without verified data to back it up would also be suspect, so getting certified results published for the 1 MW plant would be a very important step in building the credibility that will be needed to be taken seriously.

We can’t know now whether this presentation will actually take place this year, but it does sound like Rossi and Co. are moving ahead as quickly as they can right now. If positive results are published by a respected independent body, I would guess that access to investment capital would become much easier, and there will be lots of money needed to allow for the “massive” production of E-Cats that Andrea Rossi has so often spoken about.

UPDATE (Feb 25, 2016)

Thanks to pg for posting this comment from the JONP:

Andrea Rossi
February 25, 2016 at 5:07 PM
Koen Vandewalle:
I am not just an inventor; I am also the guy which will industrialize
the E-Ca ts. As a matter of fact I have right now finisged my meeting
with ABB that will realize the robotized production line. And pretty
advanced with it.
As I said, the best defense of our intellectual property will be the
speed and the economy scale with which we will produce the E-Cats.
F9.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

  • Gerard McEk

    A plant of what power level? Supplying heat, DC power and light?

    • mcloki

      At this point it’s irrelevant. All Rossi really needs to do is a public proof of concept. I can see him doing this if they are deciding to do a public offering.

      • passerby

        An IPO would be a mistake. It would reduce control from the people who had enough vision to make this happen.

      • LarryJ

        Rossi’s public proof of concept will be the only one that matters. Products in the marketplace. He has said that until we have products in the market it is as if we have done nothing. Maybe, this type of thinking is why it takes a bonafide philosopher to deliver a paradigm shift like this.

  • Gerard McEk

    A plant of what power level? Supplying heat, DC power and light?

    • mcloki

      At this point it’s irrelevant. All Rossi really needs to do is a public proof of concept. I can see him doing this if they are deciding to do a public offering.

      • passerby

        An IPO would be a mistake. It would reduce control from the people who had enough vision to make this happen.

      • LarryJ

        Rossi’s public proof of concept will be implemented as the only one that matters. Products in the marketplace. He has said that until we have products in the market it is as if we have done nothing. Maybe, this type of thinking is why it takes a bonafide philosopher to deliver a paradigm shift like this.

  • Stephen Taylor

    Rossi has said, and in his case certainly, the ONLY proof is in the market place. We wait.

  • HS61AF91

    You know, this talk about investment money, and sort of getting rich off of the introduction and supply of E-Cats is kinda strange, to me, in this way: E-Cats will diminish the need for continuous outlays for energy, self-producing the stuff itself. So how does an investor keep getting returns on his investment, if the object he’s investing in is self perpetuating? Guess I am not a business oriented individual, otherwise this quandary of mine would not exist. I just do want to see the world’s people have the energy they need without the strings of paying always for it. The path in my mind to true freedom and kindness among all peoples.

    • Observer

      The E-Cat will reduce the operating expense of any system that uses it for its energy supply. First adopters will corner the market of their industry. Those that do not move quickly may find themselves out of business. This is the kind of market disruption that will make and/or break fortunes.

      • Miles

        I’m on the waiting list to be one of the first to buy an e-Cat. I’ve been reading this website for at least 3 years and hope that I can be first to get my hands on it in Australia. I might even apply for a job in this new Green Technology sector. Exciting times indeed.

      • HS61AF91

        Ah yes, the people who put into their production e-cat ‘free’ energy will benefit. thanks.

      • theBuckWheat

        The other side of this coin is the amount of disruption in the present world power dynamic. A number of nations depend up on the sale of crude oil in order to pay for their food imports. The rapid adoption of LENR devices will displace oil and the only question will be how far and how fast will the price drop.

        • Steve H

          The use of this technology in the Oil & Gas industry could make the cost of lifting a barrel of oil much cheaper. Think heat exchangers that cost very little to run, compressors driven by steam impellers, pumps driven by steam impellers – all at very little fuel cost. Operating costs would be reduced considerably.
          This applies to most other industries as well.

          • EEStorFanFibb

            “The use of this technology in the Oil & Gas industry could make the cost of lifting a barrel of oil much cheaper.”

            I agree with that, and it’s especially true unconventional oil. BUT!! almost nobody is going to want to burn that oil once it’s lifted when/if they can get heat, light and electricity directly from an eCat.

      • LarryJ

        If Rossi can truly manage a massive introduction of this technology then the disruption you anticipate may not occur because anyone who wants one can get one. The only losers would be those who fail to come to grips with the new reality and continue trying to compete against it.

        • Observer

          It is going to take a major effort to engineer the e-cat to fit each application. This will not be plug and play. (Good news for engineers.) Those who move quickly will be able to secure the IP required to fit the e-cat to their application, and thus will be able to shut out their competition.

          Despite the hopes of people here, this will not be a kumbaya moment.

        • georgehants

          My personal judgement of Cold Fusion success is only when cheap affordable units are producing clean water etc. for the millions suffering in this World.
          Everything else is irrelevant until the priorities are corrected.
          Very quickly if successful, millions can then be put out of work and humanity can begin to move on from the ridiculous situation it is now in.
          Mr. Rossi for me will be judged on the benefit he brings to those that need it most and his financial gain beyond a sensible substantial reward for all those involved is totally unimportant in this misguided society.

          • georgehants

            The moment Mr. Rossi shows conformation of his work then those rewards from society should be paid.
            The job of making sure that the massive Research and production goes ahead can then be left to lesser mortals, while he if he wishes continues his work fully funded and supported by society.

          • wondering

            If everything works out, Rossi will be the most well deserved billionaire ever.

          • Mike Ivanov

            People in this Word suffers not because of lack of cheap energy. They mostly suffers because of poor, outdated cultures in their places, plus failing political management around the globe. I do not think what e-cat will make any difference.

    • Frank Acland

      If we’re starting from scratch there will be the opportunity for lots of sales of e-cats, large and small all over the world, and that’s a huge potential market.

      • HS61AF91

        That’s true, guess I was looking beyond the beginning to the time when e-cats are widely distributed and common place. Getting there is surely a huge potential market. Thanks, again.

        • Omega Z

          Whether you have a car that needs fueled once a week or once a year, The car needs replaced periodically.

          By the time the transition is complete along with all the new applications, it will be time to replace those built before.

          The only real change will be the people who profit from business in general.

          • LarryJ

            New technologies may result in cars/appliances that fix themselves. Nanotechnology is not standing still.

        • LilyLover

          Human eventuality is not destined to make money or make profit or make perpetual business – it is – to be happy.

          As of now the commercial society is a half way between tiger-eat-deer savage jungle and happy heavens.

          The role of E-Cat is going to be push us into abundance. A few will resist. I’ll drag them into the future of worklessness.
          Energy abundance gifted to the World with zero profit will not make business sense, but business itself will be viewed as an artificial construct to run the society.

          High quality of life for free; the ultra creative create and the punished prisoners (cops) do the menial tasks that are not yet robotized.

          The immoral concept of “work is needed for survival” shall soon be eradicated. That’s why I’ll pet the E-Cat. 🙂

          • HS61AF91

            I agree! Great projection of humanity’s future. Much change to embrace, society’s gain, time enough for love.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            The origin of money was the king who needed knights and had to pay them with metal rings. The origin of money was salary, and salary was needed to get someone to do an unpleasant job: dangerous, boring, exhausting, tedious, long-lasting, whatever. The scale of so-called “real” financial economy is basically proportional to the salary sum, which is shrinking because more and more of the necessary work has become pleasant. A human being wants to do something during the day, after all. He or she needs extra incentive in the form of salary only if the work is unpleasant or takes too much of the person’s time.

            The process is ongoing: the financial economy tends to be shrinking, despite fierce but futile countermeasures of the central banks. The relative importance of money in people’s lives is becoming smaller. As always, the trend is not uniform and there are turbulence and eddies. (A side effect is that the “stimulus” money of central banks accumulates in few hands because the real economy cannot suck it up, but whether that effect has larger societal importance is not so clear.)

            Cold fusion might temporarily reverse the trend because everything must be rebuilt, perhaps including colonisation of the solar system. But I am not sure how big fraction of that work is unpleasant, so despite large growth of physical activity, I am not sure if the financial economy will grow or shrink.

            There is a risk that when cold fusion comes, people think that it implies a return to “business as usual” of the “good old times” regarding growth of the financial economy. But the trend of automation continues and when transition to cold fusion has occurred, people’s lives are much easier than today and the amount of necessary work is much less.

          • pg

            The 1MW e-cat is the whole point. If that works as claimed, I have no doubts the e-cat x works too. It would be quite illogical to abandon the development of something that works, to commercialize something that does not.
            If the 1MW e-cat does not work, it is very unlikely that a more sophisticated and complicated machine that derives from it does work.

          • Mr Rossi has the customers.
            I for one will buy one, got my name down.
            If in 8 months time I get an E-mail asking for conformation of order.
            The money is there waiting.
            I like many others.
            That is all the Proof needed to get the worlds Attention.

          • Nixter

            The early adopters will be critical to the long-term success of this technology, so it would be great if there were many people with your mindset, let’s hope for the best.

          • Mike Ivanov

            “e-cat works” is not equal “works stable” and “ready for production and industrial usage”

          • shiv

            Mfmp should beat him by their own public display.

          • Observer

            If happiness was the goal of life, then drug dealers would be the heroes of society. Survival of life and perpetuation of life are the goals of life. Happiness that promotes these goals are a good thing. Happiness that impedes these goals is not self-sustaining and leads to a dead end. As I have said many times, suffering is not a valid excuse not to exist. Happiness and suffering are a means to an end, not the end itself.

          • Skip

            I would have written your comment a bit differently, but I fully agree with your sentiment

      • Omega Z

        Don’t expect confirmation. That’s not the way business is done.
        Recall Rossi’s dealings with National Instruments. All they would confirm was consultations had taken place and nothing of what those consultations were about. I believe even that response was brought on by outsiders badgering them to deny those consultations.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          oh I don’t expect it at all

        • georgehants

          Peter, many thanks, first thing is to admit awareness of the problems that can then be solved.
          Then as you show above many ways to approach solving the problems.
          Their must be a will to find the way, I think.

    • Michael W Wolf

      They are devices that will not last forever. Also fuel cells need to be replaced. It’s not free energy, but cheap.

    • LarryJ

      As the technology improves there will be more and more applications that have not even been thought of yet. We haven’t even started and even with our 20th century point of view we can think of thousands of applications. Just imagine how many more there will be in 10 years once the wide world comes to grips with its potential.

  • HS61AF91

    You know, this talk about investment money, and sort of getting rich off of the introduction and supply of E-Cats is kinda strange, to me, in this way: E-Cats will diminish the need for continuous outlays for energy, self-producing the stuff itself. So how does an investor keep getting returns on his investment, if the object he’s investing in is self perpetuating? Guess I am not a business oriented individual, otherwise this quandary of mine would not exist. I just do want to see the world’s people have the energy they need without the strings of paying always for it. The path in my mind to true freedom and kindness among all peoples.

    • Observer

      The E-Cat will reduce the operating expense of any system that uses it for its energy supply. First adopters will corner the market of their industry. Those that do not move quickly may find themselves out of business. This is the kind of market disruption that will make and/or break fortunes.

      • Miles

        I’m on the waiting list to be one of the first to buy an e-Cat. I’ve been reading this website for at least 3 years and hope that I can be first to get my hands on it in Australia. I might even apply for a job in this new Green Technology sector. Exciting times indeed.

      • HS61AF91

        Ah yes, the people who put into their production e-cat ‘free’ energy will benefit. thanks.

      • theBuckWheat

        The other side of this coin is the amount of disruption in the present world power dynamic. A number of nations depend up on the sale of crude oil in order to pay for their food imports. The rapid adoption of LENR devices will displace oil and the only question will be how far and how fast will the price drop.

        • Steve H

          The use of this technology in the Oil & Gas industry could make the cost of lifting a barrel of oil much cheaper. Think heat exchangers that cost very little to run, compressors driven by steam impellers, pumps driven by steam impellers – all at very little fuel cost. Operating costs would be reduced considerably.
          This applies to most other industries as well.

          • “The use of this technology in the Oil & Gas industry could make the cost of lifting a barrel of oil much cheaper.”

            I agree with that, and it’s especially true unconventional oil. BUT!! almost nobody is going to want to burn that oil once it’s lifted when/if they can get heat, light and electricity directly from an eCat.

      • LarryJ

        If Rossi can truly manage a massive introduction of this technology then the disruption you anticipate may be minimal because anyone who wants one can get one. The only losers would be those who fail to come to grips with the new reality and continue trying to compete against it.

        • Observer

          It is going to take a major effort to engineer the e-cat to fit each application. This will not be plug and play. (Good news for engineers.) Those who move quickly will be able to secure the IP required to fit the e-cat to their application, and thus will be able to shut out their competition.

          Despite the hopes of people here, this will not be a kumbaya moment.

    • Frank Acland

      If we’re starting from scratch there will be the opportunity for lots of sales of e-cats, large and small all over the world, and that’s a huge potential market.

      • HS61AF91

        That’s true, guess I was looking beyond the beginning to the time when e-cats are widely distributed and common place. Getting there is surely a huge potential market. Thanks, again.

        • right…. it’s in the getting there that fortunes will be made. overall the getting there could generate trillions of dollars of revenue methinks. It’s a big world and replacing ALL the fossil fuel infrastructure is a very big undertaking.

        • Omega Z

          Whether you have a car that needs fueled once a week or once a year, The car needs replaced periodically.

          By the time the transition is complete along with all the new applications, it will be time to replace those built before.

          The only real change will be the people who profit from business in general.

          • LarryJ

            New technologies may result in cars/appliances that fix themselves. Nanotechnology is not standing still.

        • LilyLover

          Human eventuality is not destined to make money or make profit or make perpetual business – it is – to be happy.

          As of now the commercial society is a half way between tiger-eat-deer savage jungle and happy heavens.

          The role of E-Cat is going to be push us into abundance. A few will resist. I’ll drag them into the future of worklessness.
          Energy abundance gifted to the World with zero profit will not make business sense, but business itself will be viewed as an artificial construct to run the society.

          High quality of life for free; the ultra creative create and the punished prisoners (cops) do the menial tasks that are not yet robotized.

          The immoral concept of “work is needed for survival” shall soon be eradicated. That’s why I’ll pet the E-Cat. 🙂

          • HS61AF91

            I agree! Great projection of humanity’s future. Much change to embrace, society’s gain, time enough for love.

          • bachcole

            There is always time for love. (:->)

          • Pekka Janhunen

            The origin of money was the king who needed knights and had to pay them with metal rings. The origin of money was salary, and salary was needed to get someone to do an unpleasant job: dangerous, boring, exhausting, tedious, long-lasting, whatever. The scale of so-called “real” financial economy is basically proportional to the salary sum, which is shrinking because more and more of the necessary work has become pleasant. A human being wants to do something during the day, after all. He or she needs extra incentive in the form of salary only if the work is unpleasant or takes too much of the person’s time.

            The process is ongoing: the financial economy tends to be shrinking, despite fierce but futile countermeasures of the central banks. The relative importance of money in people’s lives is becoming smaller. As always, the trend is not uniform and there are turbulence and eddies. (A side effect is that the “stimulus” money of central banks accumulates in few hands because the real economy cannot suck it up, but whether that effect has larger societal importance is not so clear.)

            Cold fusion might temporarily reverse the trend because everything must be rebuilt, perhaps including colonisation of the solar system. But I am not sure how big fraction of that work is unpleasant, so despite large growth of physical activity, I am not sure if the financial economy will grow or shrink.

            There is a risk that when cold fusion comes, people think that it implies a return to “business as usual” of the “good old times” regarding growth of the financial economy. But the trend of automation continues and when transition to cold fusion has occurred, people’s lives are much easier than today and the amount of necessary work is much less.

          • Observer

            If happiness was the goal of life, then drug dealers would be the heroes of society. Survival of life and perpetuation of life are the goals of life. Happiness that promotes these goals are a good thing. Happiness that impedes these goals is not self-sustaining and leads to a dead end. As I have said many times, suffering is not a valid excuse not to exist. Happiness and suffering are a means to an end, not the end itself.

          • bachcole

            Love and happiness are the goals of life.

          • Observer

            Sticks and carrots produce domesticated sheep in pens. I would rather be the wild ram on the mountain side.

            Happiness should come from achieving goals just as trophies should come from winning races. It is a corruption of purpose to skip the race and just take the trophy.

          • bachcole

            True happiness comes from getting closer and closer to God through love. Everything else is reflected images of this true love.

          • Observer

            Thus happiness is the results of achieving a goal; not the goal itself.

          • bachcole

            I am no expert on happiness. But I know a guy who claims to be, and he is so loving, so giving to others, so dynamic, and so wonderful in every way, including great philosophy and other writings, that I have given up my own notions about happiness and am determined to follow him without reservations or yammering. And he says that he IS infinite happiness and lived an entire life of loving service to others, and I am going to stick with him and end this my yammering about it like a monkey looking into a pond and seeing the moon and making pronouncements about the moon.

          • Skip

            I would have written your comment a bit differently, but I fully agree with your sentiment

          • bachcole

            So you and Observer experience infinite bliss eternally?

          • Skip

            Well Roger, I won’t presume to speak for Observer, but yes, that (eternal bliss) is a worthy goal. Lets understand the difference between Purpose and Goal, tho.

            Purpose is a construct. At least originally it was natural, it could be argued that regardless of our interference, it still is natural; or not.

            The Purpose of mankind is the same as all life, to further the species within the bounds of sustainability; local to global.

            Goal is an individual (but can be shared) emotional response to actual and presumed needs and wants.

            Source: dictionary of skip

    • Michael W Wolf

      They are devices that will not last forever. Also fuel cells need to be replaced. It’s not free energy, but cheap.

    • LarryJ

      As the technology improves there will be more and more applications that have not even been thought of yet. We haven’t even started and even with our 20th century point of view we can think of thousands of applications. Just imagine how many more there will be in 10 years once the wide world comes to grips with its potential.

  • pg

    Andrea Rossi

    February 25, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    Koen Vandewalle:

    I am not just an inventor; I am also the guy which will industrialize
    the E-Cats. As a matter of fact I have right now finisged my meeting
    with ABB that will realize the robotized production line. And pretty
    advanced with it.

    As I said, the best defense of our intellectual property will be the
    speed and the economy scale with which we will produce the E-Cats.

    F9.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

  • pg

    Andrea Rossi

    February 25, 2016 at 5:07 PM

    Koen Vandewalle:

    I am not just an inventor; I am also the guy which will industrialize
    the E-Cats. As a matter of fact I have right now finisged my meeting
    with ABB that will realize the robotized production line. And pretty
    advanced with it.

    As I said, the best defense of our intellectual property will be the
    speed and the economy scale with which we will produce the E-Cats.

    F9.

    Warm Regards,

    A.R.

  • Brokeeper

    “But it could also fail,..”. Yes, a comet may strike Mars and eject debris projected to Miami, Fl. destroying a 10 block radius around Rossi’s factory.

    • HS61AF91

      Play the lottery much!

  • Brokeeper

    “But it could also fail,..”. Yes, a comet may strike Mars and eject debris projected to Miami, Fl. destroying a 10 block radius around Rossi’s factory.

    • HS61AF91

      Better chance than Playing the lottery!

  • Sanjeev

    Well there is something solid there, a name, and a big one.
    This is a big news, if ABB confirms it.

  • Sanjeev

    Well there is something solid there, a name, and a big one.
    This is a big news, if ABB confirms it.

    • Yes, could be a very big deal. ABB needs to confirm it though for it to have weight. No offense to AR.

      • Omega Z

        Don’t expect confirmation. That’s not the way business is done.
        Recall Rossi’s dealings with National Instruments. All they would confirm was consultations had taken place and nothing of what those consultations were about. I believe even that response was brought on by outsiders badgering them to deny those consultations.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Shouldn’t he get rid of the F9 reservation (and stigma) before building a production plant for the ECat-X?

    • Ged

      Contractual agreement till some unknown benchmark? And/Or he has just gotten too into the habit.

      • These days he seems to be using it as a substitute for ‘God willing’ or similar to indicate lack of hubris. Or perhaps he means TPTB permitting?

        • LilyLover

          Let me assure you – he does not mean TPTB in the conventional sense.

          If he ever used TPTB, it must mean the holy mother of god.

          NOT the TPTB that hides in the plain sight.

          • I’m not sure there is a ‘conventional’ meaning of TPTB – I was using it as shorthand for the 1% of the 1% who control most of the worlds finances, energy supplies, media and politicians.

            I’m sure that Rossi is fully aware that if these people decide that his technology will in any way disrupt their control, they will try to corral it and delay introduction, with a good to excellent chance of succeeding.

          • Ted-X

            TPTB have options: accept Ecat as an Industrial Heat, metered etc. or wait for a chaos (like in Somalia 2008) when the oil will run out. Other devices of the Ecat type were successfully eliminated, usually with their inventors, or purchased (in the best case) and classified. The classified ones are more difficult to put a meter on them (just my guess).

          • I think their options are simpler: use media fearmongering to gain control and then roll out their centralised version of a CF-powered world, or take their hands off the wheel and see where it goes, but take over the huge range of profit streams that will arise, as they arise. Suppression would still be possible, but unprofitable.

          • LilyLover

            That’s the conventional meaning!
            What you suggest has happened a few years ago when Rossi was about to lose his home. The Dragon helped. The Stone-e-fellers sold oil interests. To me that’s triumph!

    • LarryJ

      F9 will disappear with the appearance of the 1 year test report.F9 means the Test results could be positive but also negative. He, of course will be well aware of the results from his own tests and may already have verbal confirmation from the ERV that would allow funding of production facilities to proceed. Now that replications are happening they will be well aware that the clock is ticking.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    Shouldn’t he get rid of the F9 reservation (and stigma) before building a production plant for the ECat-X?

    • Ged

      Contractual agreement till some unknown benchmark? And/Or he has just gotten too into the habit.

      • These days he seems to be using it as a substitute for ‘God willing’ or similar to indicate lack of hubris. Or perhaps he means TPTB permitting?

        • Alberonn

          “Or perhaps he means TPTB permitting?” : you’re wording my deepest fears…

        • LilyLover

          Let me assure you – he does not mean TPTB in the conventional sense.

          If he ever used TPTB, it must mean the holy mother of god.

          NOT the TPTB that hides in the plain sight.

          • I’m not sure there is a ‘conventional’ meaning of TPTB – I was using it as shorthand for the 1% of the 1% who control most of the worlds finances, energy supplies, media and politicians.

            I’m sure that Rossi is fully aware that if these people decide that his technology will in any way disrupt their control, they will try to corral it and delay introduction, with a good to excellent chance of succeeding.

          • Ted-X

            TPTB have options: accept Ecat as an Industrial Heat, metered etc. or wait for a chaos (like in Somalia 2008) when the oil will run out. Other devices of the Ecat type were successfully eliminated, usually with their inventors, or purchased (in the best case) and classified. The classified ones are more difficult to put a meter on them (just my guess).

          • I think their options are simpler: use media fearmongering to gain control and then roll out their centralised version of a CF-powered world, or take their hands off the wheel and see where it goes, but take over the huge range of profit streams that will arise, as they arise. Suppression would still be possible, but unprofitable.

          • LilyLover

            That’s the conventional meaning!
            What you suggest has happened a few years ago when Rossi was about to lose his home. The Dragon helped. The Stone-e-fellers sold oil interests. To me that’s triumph!

        • Pekka Janhunen

          “TPTB is Anglo-Saxon goddess while Rossi is Roman Catholic.” (quoting myself)

          • Sorry Pekka – that one sailed right over my head! (as it did originally). Remember that I am a plodding, literal-minded one-time microbiologist and engineer.

            Do you perhaps mean that Rossi doesn’t believe in any PTB and therefore doesn’t take them into account?

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Something like that, or that he believes in God, compared to which earthly actors do not have absolute strength. I also mean that if looked from my “Scandinavian” viewpoint, I’m noticing that references to “TPTB”, although existing everywhere, are more typical to British and American ways of thinking. I tend to think, rather, that no one is behind the wheel of the world.

          • OK, thanks for the explanation. I’ll refrain from presenting evidence that I feel strongly indicates the existence of the ‘driver’ – or rather several of them.

    • LarryJ

      F9 will disappear with the appearance of the 1 year test report one way or the other. F9 means the One Year Test Results could be positive but also negative. Rossi of course, will be well aware of the results from his own tests and may already have verbal confirmation from the ERV that would allow funding of production facilities to proceed. Now that replications are happening they will be well aware that the clock is ticking.

  • It probably means the test was positive and the investors have given the OK and money to start production. They may have read the “executive summary” that is rumored to be circulating, or maybe the full, detailed report is completed and they are preparing a news conference (hopefully).

  • It probably means the test was positive and the investors have given the OK and money to start production. They may have read the “executive summary” that is rumored to be circulating, or maybe the full, detailed report is completed and they are preparing a news conference (hopefully).

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  • Omega Z

    Keep in mind Rossi says several months. Look for late fall or beyond 2016, not in the next month or two.

    ->”a public presentation without verified data to back it up would also be suspect”

    If this were just Darden and Rossi doing a public presentation, you would end up with D aNd R.

    “Do Not resuscitate”

    Recall that P&F had the University backing and promoting of their news conference and were still crucified.

    Darden and Rossi are both aware of the History. I expect them to come with their powder dry and loaded for bear. They will have a product & not a Lab result along with confirmation from multiple parties.

    Still there will be some skepticism, but a working product is hard to stop and impossible to debunk…

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Many interviews with satisfied customers will seal the deal.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yeah, expect more of this:

    “But two decades ago, a pair of scientists, puzzled by the
    results of an experiment, thought they were observing nuclear fusion at room temperature. Ever since, fringe scientists have been trying to harness the physics-defying effect they called cold fusion. They’ve kept at it despite the fact that the original experiment turned out to be flawed.”
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46342612/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/fraud-claims-over-e-cat-cold-fusion-machine-heating/#.Vs-9a0BKXIs

    “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers live & die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time; whereas the accounts they have
    read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables. General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected
    a great portion of Europe to his will, &c., &c.; but no details can be
    relied on. I will add that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.”

    Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, Washington,
    June 11, 1807

    • Ophelia Rump

      Original thought is the most rare and precious jewel in the universe.
      Ignorance is an abundance which approaches infinite.
      For this reason the power of stupidity rules the ages. That power does not make stupidity a virtue, forever it remains an obstacle the attainment of a better day.

      Me.

      • Brokeeper

        Nothing is original. Only discovered.

        Me too.

        • georgehants

          Brokeeper, your philosophical reply leads to the question —-
          Who then first created every possible sculpture contained in a block of marble ready to be “discovered”
          One has to follow the clear logic and not stop as most of science does when the going gets difficult.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Always in some way or another, a sculpture reflects something of the artist’s environment (natural environment, society etc.). Even if the sculpture is made random, it tells that the artist had some motive to make it so.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, thank you but that in no way answers “the question”

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I mean that the answer is the environment. Environment created the sculptures, as ideas in the artists’ heads, not the process which created the stone. (Probably next you ask who created the environment, but that’s another question.)

          • georgehants

            Pekka, “who created the enviroment” is exactly the same question as “asked” by Brokeeper above.
            Not a different question but the same and the point where the Evidence shows that most of science runs away and hides.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I don’t see the word “environment” on page elsewhere except in my answer. If one wants to explain the world with the premise “nothing is original, only discovered”, then the environment becomes the source of everything. If you ask me personally, I wouldn’t really “believe” such premise. I just wanted to apply logic to see where it takes us, if taken as a premise.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, many thanks again for your reply.
            You say —– “the environment becomes the source of everything”
            then the question becomes ——- who crated the enviroment for us to discover the non-original parameter etc.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            So you now asked the question that I said you might probably ask. Again, one has to take some premise and then see if it leads into some contradiction or not. One possible premise is God, another one is randomness. Both are somewhat imprecise concepts and open to more refined interpretations.

            When I studied physics, I thought that there should exist a single accurate “paradigm”, or description of reality, which is only to be discovered. Nowadays I am no longer sure if such description exists or is discoverable by us. It’s rather that different overlapping models and premises describe different features of reality, but none of them is complete observationally or logically. One thing is clear, however: when physics advances, philosophy advances too. For example without quantum mechanics we wouldn’t have quantum philosophy, we wouldn’t be discussing whether a conscious being is needed to collapse the universe’s wave function and thus bring it into existence, or whether instead the universe is a many-world one where conscious beings have free will by their freedom to some extent select their branch of the multiverse.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, could not agree more, would only confirm what you seem to be saying, anybody that does not have a completely open-mind is wasting everybody’s time and making themselves look very foolish.
            Best

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Thank you George.

          • TomR

            Thank you Pekka, for talking about the many-world uninverse and our free will.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Anyone noticed that a former head of ABB Robotics, power and automation is to speak at Mats’ Symposium?

            http://new-symposium.org/#speakers

          • Mats002

            Yes, I was about to write that here but you was first on it. Damn!

            You will also speak, I’ll be there F9

          • bkrharold

            What is this F9?

          • Mats002

            It is a short for ‘can be positive or negative’ that Rossi use in statements. Rossi used this disclaimer so often that someone proposed to use the function key F9 on the keyboard to print it in one go. Mats Lewans symposium will be cancelled if the one year 1 MW test is negative or if the awaited 3rd party report don’t get published in near time, hence my F9.

          • bkrharold

            Thanks for explaining, I missed where this was first introduced. I guessed it was some kind of disclaimer but could not figure out what that had to do with F9

          • Bob Tivnan

            Well, that is a fascinating intersection. Let’s hope it’s not a coincidence. Any comment Mats?

          • Mats002

            I am not that Mats, I am the other one 🙂

          • bachcole

            The good looking one?

          • Mats002

            More like his cousin from the countryside I’m afraid ^^

          • Bob Matulis

            Bob, that symposium sounds fantastic! Brian D. Josephson is a very credible speaker… as well as several others. 😉

          • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

            to be fair to the sceptics… they would probably not consider Brian to be overly credible due to his background in other fringe and pseudo sciences. Not that I agree. I have nothing but respect for him after my interactions with Brian over on the wikipedia talk pages.

          • Omega Z

            To be fair, the skeptics can only wish they had achieved what Brian Josephson has. Note that many esteemed scientist and Nobel Prize winners have dabbled in fringe science.

        • Brokeeper

          I confess this premise is not original but discovered:
          “What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun..”

          Let this “bake your noodle”: If the ‘Alpha and the Omega’ is not bound by His own creation of time, then what came first, the origin of thought or discovery? (no offense intended to the atheists or agnostics)

          • georgehants

            Göran, if your children where dying from lack of clean water or basic drugs you may see the situation in black or white, seeing shades of gray is simply a luxury for those excusing themselves from seeing the obvious.

          • US_Citizen71

            The world is not black and white, take the inconvenient truth that many of the children you speak of suffering are suffering due to the fact that the world fed their parents and grandparents. Before the days of fast shipping of large quantities of materials and foodstuffs populations grew and shrank depending on local resources. Many impoverished areas now have artificially high populations and still have food and water issues. The problems have grown in scope to the point where areas will never be able to be self sufficient without a massive reduction in population. Where is the black and white in this?

          • georgehants

            US, your comment includes the black and white problems that must be solved.
            Pointing out any genuine problems is only the first step, then those with some intelligence have to work out the answers, just as feeding the 18 million children in America that do not get enough food, must be solved and not hidden or disregarded.
            I am sure you would agree.

          • US_Citizen71

            Problems can be black or white, but solutions rarely are.

          • georgehants

            US, maybe not, but one either chooses to try and resolve them or one chooses to ignore them, or even fight those that try to find a resolution.
            Individual free choice, democracy.

          • bachcole

            I intend offence at atheists, friend or otherwise, as being an unscientific position. The agnostics are honest and humble enough to know that the intellect can never know for certain.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            In principle possible, but I think it’s unlikely for two reasons: 1) Rossi writes on JONP like someone who hasn’t lost it, 2) it’s hard to fool oneself with a device that runs in SSM and produces electricity.
            To me, Rossi has never lied, although he has been wrong sometimes. Therefore, until I have reason to do otherwise, I trust him in matters where I expect that he cannot be fooling himself.

        • f sedei

          Only imagination is original. Action allows witnessing of it.

      • Alan DeAngelis
        • Hi all

          US elections looming, October surprise anyone?

          Kind Regards walker

          • pg

            Sh.t we said the same thing four years ago!

          • It’s going to be hard to watch politicians get behind CF at the stage of the game when it surfaces to the top.

          • Omega Z

            In my Opinion, politicians are aware and watching.
            Merely waiting for confirmation.
            Note Trump has engaged in at least 1 reclamation & redevelopment project with Cherokee and Tom Darden a couple years ago.

      • Sorry Pekka – that one sailed right over my head!

        • Pekka Janhunen

          Something like that, or that he believes in God, compared to which earthly actors do not have absolute strength. I also mean that if looked from my “Scandinavian” viewpoint, I’m noticing that references to “TPTB”, although existing everywhere, are more typical to British and American ways of thinking. I tend to think, rather, that no one is behind the wheel of the world.

          • OK, thanks for the explanation. I’ll refrain from presenting evidence that I feel strongly indicates the existence of the ‘driver’ – or rather several of them.

    • Josh G
  • Alan DeAngelis

    Yeah, expect more of this:

    “But two decades ago, a pair of scientists, puzzled by the
    results of an experiment, thought they were observing nuclear fusion at room temperature. Ever since, fringe scientists have been trying to harness the physics-defying effect they called cold fusion. They’ve kept at it despite the fact that the original experiment turned out to be flawed.”
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46342612/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/fraud-claims-over-e-cat-cold-fusion-machine-heating/#.Vs-9a0BKXIs

    “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day. I really look with commiseration over the great body of my fellow citizens, who, reading newspapers live & die in the belief that they have known something of what has been passing in the world in their time; whereas the accounts they have
    read in newspapers are just as true a history of any other period of the world as of the present, except that the real names of the day are affixed to their fables. General facts may indeed be collected from them, such as that Europe is now at war, that Bonaparte has been a successful warrior, that he has subjected
    a great portion of Europe to his will, &c., &c.; but no details can be
    relied on. I will add that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false.”

    Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, Washington,
    June 11, 1807

    • Ophelia Rump

      Original thought is the most rare and precious jewel in the universe.
      Ignorance is an abundance which approaches infinite.
      For this reason the power of stupidity rules the ages. That power does not make stupidity a virtue, forever it remains an obstacle the attainment of a better day.

      Me.

      • Brokeeper

        Nothing is original. Only discovered.

        Me too.

        • georgehants

          Brokeeper, your philosophical reply leads to the question —-
          Who then first created every possible sculpture contained in a block of marble ready to be “discovered”
          One has to follow the clear logic and not stop as most of science does when the going gets difficult.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Always in some way or another, a sculpture reflects something of the artist’s environment (natural environment, society etc.). Even if the sculpture is made random, it tells that the artist had some motive to make it so.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, thank you but that in no way answers “the question”

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I mean that the answer is the environment. Environment created the sculptures, as ideas in the artists’ heads, not the process which created the stone. (Probably next you ask who created the environment, but that’s another question.)

          • georgehants

            Pekka, “who created the enviroment” is exactly the same question as implied by Brokeeper above.
            Not a different question but the same and the point where the Evidence shows that most of science runs away and hides.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I don’t see the word “environment” on page elsewhere except in my answer. If one wants to explain the world with the premise “nothing is original, only discovered”, then the environment becomes the source of everything. If you ask me personally, I wouldn’t really “believe” such premise. I just wanted to apply logic to see where it takes us, if taken as a premise.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, many thanks again for your reply.
            You say —– “the environment becomes the source of everything”
            then the question becomes ——- who crated the enviroment for us to discover the non-original parameter etc.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            So you now asked the question that I said you might probably ask. Again, one has to take some premise and then see if it leads into some contradiction or not. One possible premise is God, another one is randomness. Both are somewhat imprecise concepts and open to more refined interpretations.

            When I studied physics, I thought that there should exist a single accurate “paradigm”, or description of reality, which is only to be discovered. Nowadays I am no longer sure if such description exists or is discoverable by us. It’s rather that different overlapping models and premises describe different features of reality, but none of them is complete observationally or logically. One thing is clear, however: when physics advances, philosophy advances too. For example without quantum mechanics we wouldn’t have quantum philosophy, we wouldn’t be discussing whether a conscious being is needed to collapse the universe’s wave function and thus bring it into existence, or whether instead the universe is a many-world one where conscious beings have free will by their freedom to some extent select their branch of the multiverse.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, could not agree more, would only confirm what you seem to be saying, anybody that does not have a completely open-mind is wasting everybody’s time and making themselves look very foolish.
            Best

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Thank you George.

          • orsobubu

            pekka, three short thoughts in reply:
            -environment create sculptures together with ideas, and who create the environment: to me the best answer to date is found in dialectical materialism
            einstein and feyerabend too were close to this interpretation, not to mention marx and lenin of course
            -none (models of reality) is complete: it reminds to Godel’s theory of incompleteness, very interesting
            -philosophy advances too: here I’m more near to Wittgenstein: after Marxism (dialecticasl materialism), philosophy lost its usefulness for the comprehension of reality (other than give a theoretical frame to the history of man thought, and other than be useful for language studies, semiotics), and is substituted by physical sciences

          • TomR

            Thank you Pekka, for talking about the many-world universe and our free will.

        • Brokeeper

          I confess this premise is not original but discovered:
          “What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun..”

          Let this “bake your noodle”: If the ‘Alpha and the Omega’ is not bound by His own creation of time, then what came first, the origin of thought or discovery? (no offense intended to my atheist or agnostic friends)

          • bachcole

            I intend offence at atheists, friend or otherwise, as being an unscientific position. The agnostics are honest and humble enough to know that the intellect can never know for certain.

        • f sedei

          Only imagination is original. Action allows witnessing of it.

      • Alan DeAngelis
    • Josh G
  • Ophelia Rump

    Producing and delivering product is the point of impact. It will penetrate barriers and open doors for the delivery of future promise. Trust is a thing earned, only delivering product can establish the trust required to shift the paradigm.

  • Ophelia Rump

    Producing and delivering product is the point of impact. It will penetrate barriers and open doors for the delivery of future promise. Trust is a thing earned, only delivering product can establish the trust required to shift the paradigm.

  • Varmlandstok

    I sold my ABB shares because of the e-cat, then I thought again last year and baught some again.

    • TomR

      I just bought more today.

  • Sylvie Cemoi

    Is he talking about a robotized production line for the 1 MW e-cat or for the e-cat x?

  • Nigel Appleton

    I can’t imagine ABB wasting their time (if by ABB Rossi means ASEA Brown Boveri) Their presence adds considerable credibility

    • Specifically I suppose he means Michigan-based ABB Robotics, a major supplier of pedestal mounted robotic arms, plus ancillary equipment such as conveyors.

      http://new.abb.com/products/robotics/industrial-robots

      This kind of kit is more suited to flexible assembly of larger items than small intricate ones such as reactor ‘cores’. The flexibility would obviously be useful if designs evolve rapidly, but otherwise I’m not sure it would make much sense, especially initially, to employ this kind of equipment to make the equivalent of domestic gas boilers.

      It would be cheaper and quicker to order the ‘carcases’ (appliance minus reactor) from China, although for purposes of IP security it might be considered necessary to make the reactors themselves in the US . From what little we know of the latter, they would probably be best manufactured using the kind of automated mass production systems typically used in electronics components factories.

    • Who says they are “wasting their time”?
      If they get paid for it, they would do it.

      For me it’s not a sign of credibility.

      • psi2u2

        Perhaps not in isolation, but this is not the first time by any means that well established players have nodded favorably in Rossi’s direction. There’s a long history of this, including and up to Cherokee and affiliates putting large money behind Rossi’s research. All in all, the social evidence of this nature strongly supports the essential credibility of Rossi’s claims, as does the recent MFMP discovery of a reliable LENR replication. The basis for skepticism, if not entirely gone, is dwindling rapidly.

        • Yes sure. For people like us, who followed this Rossi story day by day since the beginning, we could read between the lines on such announcements.

          But to be objective (and that’s import in science and media), the fact that ABB delivers equipment confirms absolutely nothing about the realitiy of LENR.

      • US_Citizen71

        Sure a business will sell anything to anyone with the money. Want a cement mixer to build a tower to the moon? You’ll find no shortage sellers.

  • Nigel Appleton

    I can’t imagine ABB wasting their time (if by ABB Rossi means ASEA Brown Boveri) Their presence adds considerable credibility

    • Specifically I suppose he means Michigan-based ABB Robotics, a major supplier of pedestal mounted robotic arms, plus ancillary equipment such as conveyors.

      http://new.abb.com/products/robotics/industrial-robots

      This kind of kit is more suited to flexible assembly of larger items than small intricate ones such as reactor ‘cores’. The flexibility would obviously be useful if designs evolve rapidly, but otherwise I’m not sure it would make much sense, especially initially, to employ this kind of equipment to make the equivalent of domestic gas boilers. Apart from anything else, they are hideously expensive.

      It would be cheaper and quicker to order the ‘carcases’ (appliance minus reactor) from China, although for purposes of IP security it might be considered necessary to make the reactors themselves in the US . From what little we know of the latter, they would probably be best manufactured using the kind of automated mass production systems typically used in electronics components factories.

      While Rossi may have spoken to a rep to find out what is available, at this stage I’m not inclined to place much more significance on the name dropping than on similar previous similar mentions of National Instruments, Siemens etc.

    • Who says they are “wasting their time”?
      If they get paid for it, they would do it.

      For me it’s not a sign of credibility.

      • psi2u2

        Perhaps not in isolation, but this is not the first time by any means that well established players have nodded favorably in Rossi’s direction. There’s a long history of this, including and up to Cherokee and affiliates putting large money behind Rossi’s research. All in all, the social evidence of this nature strongly supports the essential credibility of Rossi’s claims, as does the recent MFMP discovery of a reliable LENR replication. The basis for skepticism, if not entirely gone, is dwindling rapidly.

        • Yes sure. For people like us, who followed this Rossi story day by day since the beginning, we could read between the lines on such announcements.

          But to be objective (and that’s import in science and media), the fact that ABB delivers equipment confirms absolutely nothing about the realitiy of LENR.

      • US_Citizen71

        Sure a business will sell anything to anyone with the money. Want a cement mixer to build a tower to the moon? You’ll find no shortage sellers.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland February 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    When you mention economies of scale, do you intend to go into high-volume production mode as soon as possible, or to gradually build up as you test the market?
    Many thanks,
    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi February 25, 2016 at 7:40 PM
    Frank Acland:
    No, if the results of the test made on the 1 MW plant and the R&D on course on the E-Cat X will be positive, we will make a massive aggression of the market, to bar the action of our competitors, that are “massively” waiting for our product to copy it. Our defense will be an offense based on the legal protection of the IP against the competitors and on the competitivity that will make very difficult for them to enter in the business. We are years ahead of them, in any sense, as far as I know from the intelligence we have collected. It will be extremely difficult to compete against us for our competitors, as big as their names
    might be. Much cheaper to find an agreement with us. This is the strategy, in a nutshell.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • steven

      the competitors and on the competitivity that will make very difficult for them to enter in the business. We are years ahead of them, in any sense
      hmmm…I remember wright brothers saying something similer

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Frank Acland February 25, 2016 at 6:30 PM
    Dear Andrea,
    When you mention economies of scale, do you intend to go into high-volume production mode as soon as possible, or to gradually build up as you test the market?
    Many thanks,
    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi February 25, 2016 at 7:40 PM
    Frank Acland:
    No, if the results of the test made on the 1 MW plant and the R&D on course on the E-Cat X will be positive, we will make a massive aggression of the market, to bar the action of our competitors, that are “massively” waiting for our product to copy it. Our defense will be an offense based on the legal protection of the IP against the competitors and on the competitivity that will make very difficult for them to enter in the business. We are years ahead of them, in any sense, as far as I know from the intelligence we have collected. It will be extremely difficult to compete against us for our competitors, as big as their names
    might be. Much cheaper to find an agreement with us. This is the strategy, in a nutshell.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • steven

      the competitors and on the competitivity that will make very difficult for them to enter in the business. We are years ahead of them, in any sense
      hmmm…I remember wright brothers saying something similer

  • georgehants

    My personal judgement of Cold Fusion success is only when cheap affordable units are producing clean water etc. for the millions suffering in this World.
    Everything else is irrelevant until the priorities are corrected.
    Very quickly if successful, millions can then be put out of work and humanity can begin to move on from the ridiculous situation it is now in.
    Mr. Rossi for me will be judged on the benefit he brings to those that need it most and his financial gain beyond a sensible substantial reward from society for all those involved, including P&F is totally unimportant in this misguided society.
    Edit added—-
    The moment Mr. Rossi shows conformation of his work then those rewards from society should be paid.
    The job of making sure that the massive Research and production goes ahead can then be left to lesser mortals Worldwide, while he if he wishes continues his work fully funded and supported by society.

    • georgehants

      Added to my above comment

    • Göran Jansson

      Georgehants, you have many, many times discussed black or white tings. Often in a spiritual way. I beg you to also remember and include the enormously wide spectrum of grey shades between the black and white. Not least when discussing ethical issues.

      • georgehants

        Göran, if your children where dying from lack of clean water or basic drugs you may see the situation in black or white, seeing shades of grey is simply a luxury for those excusing themselves from seeing the obvious.

        • US_Citizen71

          The world is not black and white, take the inconvenient truth that many of the children you speak of suffering are suffering due to the fact that the world fed their parents and grandparents. Before the days of fast shipping of large quantities of materials and foodstuffs populations grew and shrank depending on local resources. Many impoverished areas now have artificially high populations and still have food and water issues. The problems have grown in scope to the point where areas will never be able to be self sufficient without a massive reduction in population. Where is the black and white in this?

          • georgehants

            US, your comment includes some of the black and white problems that must be solved.
            Pointing out any genuine problems is only the first step, then those with some intelligence have to work out the answers, just as feeding the 15 million children in America that do not get enough food must be solved and not hidden or disregarded.
            I am sure you would agree.
            ——–
            Feeding America
            In the United States today, 15 million children face hunger.
            http://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/impact-of-hunger/child-hunger/

          • bachcole

            Every child is my child.

          • georgehants

            Thanks Roger, Wonderful thought.

          • bachcole

            It is a thought and a feeling. I would like to interact (like a silly goose) with every child I see, but I am well aware that in this highly sick society that is very danerous.

          • US_Citizen71

            Problems can be black or white, but solutions rarely are.

          • georgehants

            US, maybe not, but one either chooses to try and resolve them or one chooses to ignore them, or even fight those that try to find a resolution.
            Individual free choice, democracy.

          • bachcole

            This is why I love ISIS so much: a black and white problem. The solution, not quite as binary, but close, some grey.

    • Peter

      I agree with your statements, even though it don’t have to be all cheap! I think that the developed countries should pay more for such a device than, lets say, a poor African farmer. This could be the moment where this new energy can be shared in equal parts to all the world. I am willing to pay far more than the price in order to make this possible for people who have less money to buy the e-cat x. If others follow this example then we all could make it happen!

      • invient

        Leonardo can become the new Tom’s. Although, I think this would give Slavoy Zizek a stroke.

      • georgehants

        Peter, many thanks, first thing is to admit awareness of the problems that can then be solved.
        Then as you show above many ways to approach solving the problems, but for me as a total World society and not as now relying on individuals.
        For example it would cost very little to build factories in say Africa where a small workforce can produce all the Aids, Malaria etc. drugs they need at very low cost, with no patents etc. to worry about.
        But then no profits for the rich only healthy people.
        Their must be a will to find the way, I think.

    • wondering

      If everything works out, Rossi will be the most well deserved billionaire ever.

    • Mike Ivanov

      People in this Word suffers not because of lack of cheap energy. They mostly suffers because of poor, outdated cultures in their places, plus failing political management around the globe. I do not think what e-cat will make any difference.

  • bachcole

    And what is the verification that this is all real, other than the Fulvio interview.

    • pg

      Hopefully we’ll have something in 20 days.

      • bachcole

        Let me clarify. I believe that the units used in the 1M watt test work. Whether they performed up to requirements will be known within a month, hopefully. What I am unsure of is whether the E-Cat X does what it is said to do.

        • pg

          The 1MW e-cat is the whole point. If that works as claimed, I have no doubts the e-cat x works too. It would be quite illogical to abandon the development of something that works, to commercialize something that does not.
          If the 1MW e-cat does not work, it is very unlikely that a more sophisticated and complicated machine that derives from it does work.

          • bachcole

            I think from my not getting many up-clicks lately that that some people think that I have lost faith in Rossi. I never had too much faith in “Rossi says”. I have always had faith in confirmed evidence.

            Now he is talking about the E-Cat X putting out 50% of its energy as electricity and other wonders and miracles. I hope that this is true, but as far as I know it is not confirmed, other than the Fulvio Fabiani interview. There is another interpretation of what we are seeing lately, which may very well be total bunk. Perhaps, after a great invention, Rossi has started to lose his grip on things, thanks to his aging, and people like Fulvio just want to be supportive of their hero. I hope that this is utter bunk, but it does cover the data points that I see. So this thought has given me reason to pause my cheering and await for more confirmation.

          • pg

            Your position is reasonable.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            In principle possible, but I think it’s unlikely for two reasons: 1) Rossi writes on JONP like someone who hasn’t lost it, 2) it’s hard to fool oneself with a device that runs in SSM and produces electricity.
            To me, Rossi has never lied, although he has been wrong sometimes. Therefore, until I have reason to do otherwise, I trust him in matters where I expect that he cannot be fooling himself.

          • bachcole

            If I were to absorb and appreciate moral support from anyone, and I do, it would be from Pekka Janhunen.

          • Bruce__H

            Your open-minded skepticism is admirable here.

            But aren’t you saying that in this case anecdotal evidence and (Rossi’s) personal experience are not enough for you? You want you want some hard evidence before making up your mind right?

            Why is this a good procedure in this case but not in other cases? Why do you refer to people who apply the same standards in other cases as “skeptopaths”.

          • Omega Z

            Rossi hasn’t actually said 50% that I’m aware of. Only that it may be possible. When you have O-cube, O-phome, Glowstick updates happening is short order, it’s easy to confuse speculations with confirmed statements in all the clutter. You’re right to be cautious at this time. I’ll only take Rossi’s statements that it looks promising into account until we hear more.

          • Mike Ivanov

            “e-cat works” is not equal “works stable” and “ready for production and industrial usage”

        • Mike Ivanov

          Yes, old e-cat, plus hot cat concepts have been verified by many 3rd party experiments already, more or less. E-Cat X – so far I heard only buzzwords, nothing else. Will see

    • JiW

      Wikipedia article about Kremlinology:
      “During the Cold War, lack of reliable information about the country forced Western analysts to “read between the lines” and to use the tiniest tidbits, such as the removal of portraits, the rearranging of chairs, positions at the reviewing stand for parades in Red Square, the choice of capital or small initial letters in phrases such as “First Secretary”, the arrangement of articles on the pages of the party newspaper Pravda and other indirect signs to try to understand what was happening in internal Soviet politics.”

      Skillful practice of “Rossiology” gives us all the verification we need.

  • D.Grub

    Did i miss a statement which said, that the factories of IH,HF and Leonardo are very economical because they run on e-cat heat and electricity?

    Since such infrastructure must be implemented in a very early stage of these facilities, the e-cat equipment in those factories is the first to be presented to the press.

    • Hi all

      In reply to D.Grub

      A bit chicken and egg. I would expect a certain fraction of the initial run to be put aside to migrate the plant over to E-Cat X just for testing and to show but until you have built the factory, you have not made enough E-Cat X to run the factory!

      So they would short lease power then switch over gradualy. My initial guess would be 1 in 10 as a nice round figure, in reality you would run it through a spreadsheet working out how much the reactors were worth, if each of them are worth significantly more than the cost the electricity to produce them then you keep selling them until the day before the graph lines cross.

      Kind Regards walker

      • Brent Buckner

        If the E-Cat X factory has ready access to inexpensive utility electricity and heat then the value to IH/Leonardo of an E-Cat X may be lower than to a customer without such access.

  • Hi all

    US elections looming, October surprise anyone?

    Kind Regards walker

    • pg

      Sh.t we said the same thing four years ago!

    • bachcole

      It may be a surprise that no one (except us) foresaw and was able to prepare for.

    • It’s going to be hard to watch politicians get behind CF at the stage of the game when it surfaces to the top.

      • Omega Z

        In my Opinion, politicians are aware and watching.
        Merely waiting for confirmation.
        Note Trump has engaged in at least 1 reclamation & redevelopment project with Cherokee and Tom Darden a couple years ago.

        • bachcole

          I am surprised that Darden could stand to be in the same room with that all-powerful, all-knowing ego.

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “jimmy February 26, 2016 at 12:20 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    In which Country is the customer who bought the first industrial E-Cat X ?
    Thank you if you can answer,
    Jimmy

    Andrea Rossi February 26, 2016 at 9:51 AM
    Jimmy:
    UK
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Darden recently indicated that Woodford Investment Management in the UK plopped a lot of money on them.
      http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuclear-reaction/

      Looking over the top holdings in the funds they manage only a couple of names jump out at me. The first is BAE, which is a big military/aerospace supplier to the UK gov’t. The other is British Telecom.

      BAE would have lots of potential applications for an E-Cat X, such as on naval vessels. BT could use a cheap energy supply.

      Just speculation.

      • Omega Z

        If they hold out until it’s explained scientifically, they could find themselves being bought up by the competitor that took the leap before then.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Practically any business may find a way to use cheap heat energy. It is more matter of trust and willingness to deal with new and strange technology. Because of that, I doubt what any big company, like BAE or BT can be brave enough for this. Too much bureaucracy and too low acceptance for the risk.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      I’m confused. Since when was an industrial ECat X sold? What’s he talking about here?

      • artefact

        I guess it means the contract is done but it is not jet delivered.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          So is this sale of the ECat X in reference to his stated goal to do a (public) presentation of it later in 2016.

          • artefact

            Not sure but I would think so.

        • Mike Ivanov

          So, AR has been working on e-cat 1Mwt for years and suddenly he is already selling industrial E-Cat X? Some kind of jump, I would say…

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “jimmy February 26, 2016 at 12:20 AM
    Dr Andrea Rossi,
    In which Country is the customer who bought the first industrial E-Cat X ?
    Thank you if you can answer,
    Jimmy

    Andrea Rossi February 26, 2016 at 9:51 AM
    Jimmy:
    UK
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

    • Darden recently indicated that Woodford Investment Management in the UK plopped a lot of money on them.
      http://fortune.com/2015/09/27/ceo-cherokee-investment-partners-low-energy-nuclear-reaction/

      Looking over the top holdings in the funds they manage only a couple of names jump out at me. The first is BAE, which is a big military/aerospace supplier to the UK gov’t. The other is British Telecom.

      BAE would have lots of potential applications for an E-Cat X, such as on naval vessels. BT could use a cheap energy supply.

      Just speculation.

      ON EDIT: Also an interesting quote from Darden in that article linked above: “I don’t want to say that cold fusion is real until we can absolutely prove it in ten different ways and then persuade our worst critics to join our camp.”

      I wonder if that time approaches. Will an unambiguous 1 MW test result be enough? Or will they hold out until they can explain it all scientifically?

      • Omega Z

        If they hold out until it’s explained scientifically, they could find themselves being bought up by the competitor that took the leap before then.

      • Mike Ivanov

        Practically any business may find a way to use cheap heat energy. It is more matter of trust and willingness to deal with new and strange technology. Because of that, I doubt what any big company, like BAE or BT can be brave enough for this. Too much bureaucracy and too low acceptance for the risk.

    • bachcole

      eh?

      • Yep! Know a good thing when we see it.

    • I’m confused. Since when was an industrial ECat X sold? What’s he talking about here?

      • artefact

        I guess it means the contract is done but it is not jet delivered.

        • So is this sale of the ECat X in reference to his stated goal to do a (public) presentation of it later in 2016.

          • artefact

            Not sure but I would think so.

        • Mike Ivanov

          So, AR has been working on e-cat 1Mwt for years and suddenly he is already selling industrial E-Cat X? Some kind of jump, I would say…

  • Nixter

    Rossi’s strategy will have to change as industrial commercialization
    commences, he stopped attempting to convince the science establishment of the
    E-Cats authenticity quite some time ago, but Rossi/IH will have to make a
    U-turn as a result of the developmental status of his most recent version of
    the final E-Cat hardware. As they transition into manufacturing and selling mass-produced
    hardware, the focus will shift to getting significant customers with adequate capital
    resources, doing so will require a different approach than has been used so far.
    There will be a major change of tactics, they will be financially compelled to promote
    their product line and it will have to be a presentation of legitimacy that
    will address fears and doubts using a straight forward, open approach, there
    has to be convincing demonstrations of functionality and authenticity. Dr.
    Rossi’s unfortunate brush with the Italian legal system in the past will be a
    concern at this crucial phase, to counter any possibility of stigma these
    public demonstrations, commercials or sales pitches will have to be done in a
    way that removes all doubt by staging no nonsense, solid demos with scientifically
    generated documentation backing up their validity by presenting copious amounts
    of reliable evidence and properly analyzed documentation.

    To summarize: The policy of not trying to prove that the
    E-Cat is real to skeptics and doubters (which made sense in the past), will have to change drastically as
    they begin selling their hardware to industry worldwide, in order to do that
    they will have to show a lot more than they have in the past.

    • US_Citizen71

      Like the report of the 1 year test? It will depend on the verification agency but producing 1MW output from 250kW or less input for a solid year should go a long way to proving the effect. Don’t cha’ think?

      • Nixter

        Anyone with an open mind should be convinced quite quickly after seeing the reports, and it might be helpful if they have been following the LENR story for a little while. They might see this as the significant breakthrough that it is, but we have to keep in mind just how gigantic this breakthrough really is, it is absolutely gigantic, earths shattering, etc., so a small amount of skepticism is to be expected in these circumstances. I consider this invention to be similar to someone claiming that they have successfully produced an antigravity device or a teleportation machine, or inventing faster than light travel, it’s that significant, and so it will be accordingly difficult for those who are just hearing about it for the first time to understand it and then take the leap that this is real and it’s safe to invest in it. We’ve all heard that saying that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is, I’m sure that will be the first thing that comes to mind when a lot of people first hear about this.

        • Roland

          Laboratory teleportation, instantaneously, has already occurred. You’re falling behind the curve of events.

        • bachcole

          “Anyone with an open mind”: a very rare commodity indeed, about as common as common sense. Most people, who are very busy, simply defer these kinds of thinkings to their favorite ivory tower thinkers.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      A product that economically produces useful heat and electricity speaks for itself. Paperclips and posty-notes didn’t need a lot of promotion.

      • Nixter

        For those of us that have been following this Saga for some time, we have seen enough evidence that there is no doubt in our minds whatsoever, however we must keep in mind that a large corporation contemplating the purchase of such a device may choose to first consult with a physicist or chemist to get a scientifically-based opinion of the technology. I think the most likely answer from a physicist would be that this is absolutely impossible even in the face of overwhelming evidence, ( at least at first.), I am confident this proof will be produced by Rossi and IH. On the other hand, it is as you say, that is, if they have working hardware that anyone can purchase and clearly see that it is working, then I don’t see this as a long-term problem, however I think we should realize that the transition could take several months, before very large numbers of the units will be purchased by companies, therefore giving them a competitive advantage in the marketplace. The marketplace is notoriously difficult to predict, so I can’t say anything with great confidence, but I think it’s safe to say that it will take some time before this technology is widely excepted as actually being the unbelievable scientific breakthrough that it really is.

    • Oystein Lande

      🙂

      Rossi : “. I can accept financing from professional investors, well aware of all the risks connected with us, but I cannot accept money from persons for whom a loss of their investments could change in worse their life.”

      • Rene

        That is SEC regulation in the U.S. Risky ventures cannot be offered to the laity. Well, except for subprime mortgages 🙂

    • GreenWin

      “Dr. Rossi’s unfortunate brush with the Italian legal system in the past will be a concern at this crucial phase…” Yeah.

      Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Henry D. Thoreau, Bill Gates, Ezra Pound, Martin Luther King, Thomas Paine, Mikhail Gorbachev, Indira Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Menachem Begin, Cosimo de Medici, Anne Frank, Salvador Dali, Napoleon III, Sir Francis Bacon, Charles IV of Spain, Marie Antoinette Jesus of Nazareth, etc. etc. etc. ALL had brushes with the legal system and ALL spent time in jail.

      In most cases it was the political system that was corrupt and specious – not the incarcerated. The “stigma” to be addressed is that of the vast scientific “consensus” that has turned a blind eye to a great humanitarian discovery. Some (e.g. MIT) may have their own brush with the legal system before this is over.

      • bachcole

        Unfortunately, for now at least, this kind of clarity of thought is also as uncommon as common sense and open minds.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi/IH will not have to prove anything to skeptics and doubters. Only potential customers.

      A policy of placing money into an escrow to be released to Leonardo only when the product does as said will suffice in the beginning. Satisfied customers will provide the rest. At that point, new customers wont be a problem. Only meeting demand. As Rossi has said repeatedly, the market will will be the defining proof.

  • Nixter

    Rossi’s strategy will have to change as industrial commercialization
    commences, he stopped attempting to convince the science establishment of the
    E-Cats authenticity quite some time ago, but Rossi/IH will have to make a
    U-turn as a result of the developmental status of his most recent version of
    the final E-Cat hardware. As they transition into manufacturing and selling mass-produced
    hardware, the focus will shift to getting significant customers with adequate capital
    resources, doing so will require a different approach than has been used so far.
    There will be a major change of tactics, they will be financially compelled to promote
    their product line and it will have to be a presentation of legitimacy that
    will address fears and doubts using a straight forward, open approach, there
    has to be convincing demonstrations of functionality and authenticity. Dr.
    Rossi’s unfortunate brush with the Italian legal system in the past will be a
    concern at this crucial phase, to counter any possibility of stigma these
    public demonstrations, commercials or sales pitches will have to be done in a
    way that removes all doubt by staging no nonsense, solid demos with scientifically
    generated documentation backing up their validity by presenting copious amounts
    of reliable evidence and properly analyzed documentation.

    To summarize: The policy of not trying to prove that the
    E-Cat is real to skeptics and doubters (which made sense in the past), will have to change drastically as
    they begin selling their hardware to industry worldwide, in order to do that
    they will have to show a lot more than they have in the past.

    • US_Citizen71

      Like the report of the 1 year test? It will depend on the verification agency but producing 1MW output from 250kW or less input for a solid year should go a long way to proving the effect. Don’t cha’ think?

      • Nixter

        Anyone with an open mind should be convinced quite quickly after seeing the reports, and it might be helpful if they have been following the LENR story for a little while. They might see this as the significant breakthrough that it is, but we have to keep in mind just how gigantic this breakthrough really is, it is absolutely gigantic, earth shattering, etc., so a small amount of skepticism is to be expected in these circumstances. I consider this invention to be similar to someone claiming that they have successfully produced an antigravity device or a teleportation machine, or inventing faster than light travel, it’s that significant, and so it will be accordingly difficult for those who are just hearing about it for the first time to understand it and then take the leap that this is real and it’s safe to invest in it. We’ve all heard that saying that if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is, I’m sure that will be the first thing that comes to mind when a lot of people first hear about this.

        • Roland

          Laboratory teleportation, instantaneously, has already occurred. You’re falling behind the curve of events.

        • bachcole

          “Anyone with an open mind”: a very rare commodity indeed, about as common as common sense. Most people, who are very busy, simply defer these kinds of thinkings to their favorite ivory tower thinkers.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      A product that economically produces useful heat and electricity speaks for itself. Paperclips and posty-notes didn’t need a lot of promotion.

      • Nixter

        For those of us that have been following this Saga for some time, we have seen enough evidence that there is no doubt in our minds whatsoever, however we must keep in mind that a large corporation contemplating the purchase of such a device may choose to first consult with a physicist or chemist to get a scientifically-based opinion of the technology. I think the most likely answer from a physicist would be that this is absolutely impossible even in the face of overwhelming evidence, ( at least at first.), I am confident this proof will be produced by Rossi and IH. On the other hand, it is as you say, that is, if they have working hardware that anyone can purchase and clearly see that it is working, then I don’t see this as a long-term problem, however I think we should realize that the transition could take several months, before very large numbers of the units will be purchased by companies, therefore giving them a competitive advantage in the marketplace. The marketplace is notoriously difficult to predict, so I can’t say anything with great confidence, but I think it’s safe to say that it will take some time before this technology is widely excepted as actually being the unbelievable scientific breakthrough that it really is.

    • GreenWin

      “Dr. Rossi’s unfortunate brush with the Italian legal system in the past will be a concern at this crucial phase…” Yeah.

      Mahatma Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Henry D. Thoreau, Bill Gates, Ezra Pound, Martin Luther King, Thomas Paine, Mikhail Gorbachev, Indira Gandhi, Aung San Suu Kyi, Menachem Begin, Cosimo de Medici, Anne Frank, Salvador Dali, Napoleon III, Sir Francis Bacon, Charles IV of Spain, Marie Antoinette Jesus of Nazareth, etc. etc. etc. ALL had brushes with the legal system and ALL spent time in jail.

      In most cases it was the political system that was corrupt and specious – not the incarcerated. The “stigma” to be addressed is that of the vast scientific “consensus” that has turned a blind eye to a great humanitarian discovery. Some (e.g. MIT) may have their own brush with the legal system before this is over.

      • bachcole

        Unfortunately, for now at least, this kind of clarity of thought is also as uncommon as common sense and open minds.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi/IH will not have to prove anything to skeptics and doubters. Only potential customers.

      A policy of placing money into an escrow to be released to Leonardo only when the product does as said will suffice in the beginning. Satisfied customers will provide the rest. At that point, new customers wont be a problem. Only meeting demand. As Rossi has said repeatedly, the market will will be the defining proof.

  • pg

    Your position is reasonable.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Anyone noticed that a former head of ABB Robotics, power and automation is to speak at Mats’ Symposium?

    http://new-symposium.org/#speakers

    • Mats002

      Yes, I was about to write that here but you was first on it. Damn!

      You will also speak, I’ll be there F9

      • bkrharold

        What is this F9?

        • Mats002

          It is a short for ‘can be positive or negative’ that Rossi use in statements. Rossi used this disclaimer so often that someone proposed to use the function key F9 on the keyboard to print it in one go. Mats Lewans symposium will be cancelled if the one year 1 MW test is negative or if the awaited 3rd party report don’t get published in near time, hence my F9.

          • bkrharold

            Thanks for explaining, I missed where this was first introduced. I guessed it was some kind of disclaimer but could not figure out what that had to do with F9

    • Bob Tivnan

      Well, that is a fascinating intersection. Let’s hope it’s not a coincidence. Any comment Mats?

      • Mats002

        I am not that Mats, I am the other one 🙂

        • bachcole

          The good looking one?

          • Mats002

            More like his cousin from the countryside I’m afraid ^^

    • Bob Matulis

      Bob, that symposium sounds fantastic! Brian D. Josephson is a very credible speaker… as well as several others. 😉

      • NCY

        to be fair to the sceptics… they would probably not consider Brian to be overly credible due to his background in other fringe and pseudo sciences. Not that I agree. I have nothing but respect for him after my interactions with Brian over on the wikipedia talk pages.

        • Omega Z

          To be fair, the skeptics can only wish they had achieved what Brian Josephson has. Note that many esteemed scientist and Nobel Prize winners have dabbled in fringe science.

        • bachcole

          All unknowns are pseudo-sciences originally. If people did not explore the unknowns, there would be no progress at all.

  • Mr Rossi has the customers.
    I for one will buy one, got my name down.
    If in 8 months time I get an E-mail asking for conformation of order.
    The money is there waiting.
    I, like many others.
    That is all the Proof needed to get the worlds Attention.
    (In the mean time I will continue to try and build my own)

    • Nixter

      The early adopters will be critical to the long-term success of this technology, so it would be great if there were many people with your mindset, let’s hope for the best.

  • Yep! Know a good thing when we see it.

  • shiv

    Mfmp should beat him by their own public display.

    • MorganMck

      shiv,

      Everything MFMP does is on public display the moment they do it. That is what their commitment to Open Science is all about.

      • Robert Ellefson

        How do you know that “everything” the MFMP does is on public display? I don’t think they have ever stated that they would never conduct research in secret, for example.

        • US_Citizen71

          Even the discussion leading to the announcement was public, you just needed to check in at the right places. The whole point of their organization is to conduct the experiments in public, some of the testing of pieces and parts pre-experimental run are not seen, but every the dry calibration runs can be viewed. It would do them no good as an organization to do secret runs, credibility would go out the window.

          • Robert Ellefson

            Yeah, it would seem reasonable to expect that they wouldn’t do anything in secret, given their overall intentions, and yet I’m rather confident that they have never publically stated that they will not do anything in secret. If you have ever seen them state otherwise, I would be interested in knowing where you saw this.

          • Mats002

            I follow and take part in two ways:

            1. The discussion pane at the bottom of the experiment home page, Glowstick 5.2 here:
            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

            2. Live runs are broadcasted via streamed video and there is a discussion pane connected to it, Glowstick 5.2 here:
            http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/

            Click bottom right corner to open the discussion function connected to the video. Actually you can follow their discussion about future plans right now (shh – don’t tell anyone).

          • Robert Ellefson

            You appear to have missed my point entirely. Yes, they do conduct work in public, this much is clear. What is not clear is if they have ever promised not to conduct work in secret. Do you have a definitive answer for this? My informed speculation is that they have never made such a statement.

  • Oystein Lande

    🙂

    Rossi : “. I can accept financing from professional investors, well aware of all the risks connected with us, but I cannot accept money from persons for whom a loss of their investments could change in worse their life.”

    • Rene

      That is SEC regulation in the U.S. Risky ventures cannot be offered to the laity. Well, except for subprime mortgages 🙂

  • TomR

    I just bought more today.

  • John

    Dozens of generic versions of e-cat and e-catX will exists, so mr Rossi is right saying he needs robotics to manufacture it and be unbeatable by the competition. one thing he is not aware and probably his lawyers can do nothing: “A government can and will declare Lenr a matter of national and security interest” and these governments will make a lot of injuries on lenr intelectual patents. This happened to farmaceutical industry, see Brazil/aids and will happen to lenr again and again. Rossi is a great man of our century but Lenr is a great achievement of humanity and no one will control it. We are waiting MFMP disclosure of a functional device and people will create more cheap effective and functional lenr devices even totally different and probably better than rossi ones. Rossi will be remembered as a modern day Nikola Tesla.

    • Omega Z

      “A government can and will declare Lenr a matter of national and security interest”

      If you review the patent process involving Rossi’s patent, you would be aware that the U.S. Government did a National Security review of Rossi’s patent and passed on classifying under those terms.

      The Government won’t allow anyone to monopolize LENR, but as there are others coming along and as IH/Rossi are intent to license the technology, this also wont be an issue. Thus your concerns are without merit…

  • John

    Dozens of generic versions of e-cat and e-catX will exists, so mr Rossi is right saying he needs robotics to manufacture it and be unbeatable by the competition. one thing he is not aware and probably his lawyers can do nothing: “A government can and will declare Lenr a matter of national and security interest” and these governments will make a lot of injuries on lenr intelectual patents. This happened to farmaceutical industry, see Brazil/aids and will happen to lenr again and again. Rossi is a great man of our century but Lenr is a great achievement of humanity and no one will control it. We are waiting MFMP disclosure of a functional device and people will create more cheap effective and functional lenr devices even totally different and probably better than rossi ones. Rossi will be remembered as a modern day Nikola Tesla.

    • Omega Z

      “A government can and will declare Lenr a matter of national and security interest”

      If you review the patent process involving Rossi’s patent, you would be aware that the U.S. Government did a National Security review of Rossi’s patent and passed on classifying under those terms.

      The Government won’t allow anyone to monopolize LENR, but as there are others coming along and as IH/Rossi are intent to license the technology, this also wont be an issue. Thus your concerns are without merit…

  • Observer

    Sticks and carrots produce domesticated sheep in pens. I would rather be the wild ram on the mountain side.

    Happiness should come from achieving goals just as trophies should come from winning races. It is a corruption of purpose to skip the race and just take the trophy.

    • bachcole

      True happiness comes from getting closer and closer to God through love. Everything else is reflected images of this true love.

      • Observer

        Thus happiness is the results of achieving a goal; not the goal itself.

  • US_Citizen71

    Even the discussion leading to the announcement was public, you just needed to check in at the right places. The whole point of their organization is to conduct the experiments in public, some of the testing of pieces and parts pre-experimental run are not seen, but every the dry calibration runs can be viewed. It would do them no good as an organization to do secret runs, credibility would go out the window.

  • Omega Z

    Realistically speaking, a couple megawatts would be necessary. Automation & robots use a lot of electricity.

  • Mats002

    I follow and take part in two ways:

    1. The discussion part on the bortom of the experiment home page, Glowstick 5.2 here:
    http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

    2. Live runs is broadcasted via youtube and there is a discussion pane connected there, Glowstick 5.2 here:
    http://magicsound.us/MFMP/video/

    Click bottom right corner to open the discussion function connected to the video.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi hasn’t actually said 50% that I’m aware of. Only that it may be possible. When you have O-cube, O-phome, Glowstick updates happening is short order, it’s easy to confuse speculations with confirmed statements in all the clutter. You’re right to be cautious at this time. I’ll only take Rossi’s statements that it looks promising into account until we hear more.

  • georgehants

    Thanks Roger, Wonderful thought.

  • Skip

    Well Roger, I won’t presume to speak for Observer, but yes, that (eternal bliss) is a worthy goal. Lets understand the difference between Purpose and Goal, tho.

    Purpose is a construct. At least originally it was natural, it could be argued that regardless of our interference, it still is natural; or not.

    The Purpose of mankind is the same as all life, to further the species within the bounds of sustainability; local to global.

    Goal is an individual (but can be shared) emotional response to actual and presumed needs and wants.

    Source: dictionary of skip

  • Mike Ivanov

    After reading stories about E-cat and Rossi for several years, I would say what only public demonstration of _commercial_ application will make a difference in acceptance of the existence of this new technology. Mainstream science has shown a heavy resistance to all cases of e-cat replications.

  • Mike Ivanov

    After reading stories about E-cat and Rossi for several years, I would say what only public demonstration of _commercial_ application will make a difference in acceptance of the existence of this new technology. Mainstream science has shown a heavy resistance to all cases of e-cat replications.

  • Mike Ivanov

    Yes, old e-cat, plus hot cat concepts have been verified by many 3rd party experiments already, more or less. E-Cat X – so far I heard only buzzwords, nothing else. Will see