"Why 62Ni? The Complete Justification" (New MFMP Video in Series Posted)

The following video has been posted by the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project today. While the focus of the video is on Bob Greenyer’s thoughts on the role that 62 Nickel plays in the E-Cat/New Fire, it also more broadly includes an update on the activities of the MFMP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0PtOSYRZto&feature=youtu.be

A second video, titled “Should I Stay or Should I Go” has been posted by the MFMP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMs2We34jXo

  • Michael W Wolf

    ball is pushed to the surface not sucked.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks, I new when I was saying it I had made a mistake – but I didn’t want to break flow, I’d say pulled, if I was to make a correction – I will put a caption on to correct later.

      • Michael W Wolf

        I love what you have done Bob. But everyone says pulled but I think that is wrong. Space is not nothing. If you take an object with mass and insert it into space, say the Earth, it displaces space, that displaced space is trying to return to where the mass is now, that is what pushes things to the surface. I mean if the whole of science sees it backwards, couldn’t that be one of the cause of the mystery of gravity? And think about it, the bigger the mass, the more the displacement, the stronger the gravity.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I am trying to speak in ways many people can understand.

        • Saint

          Michael,
          These things you say are pushed to the surface are also surrounded on all sides by the space they are displacing resulting in a zero net force in any direction. Its easier to visualize a case where one immerses in water a denser than water object. Then the water will exert pressure trying to take back the volume displaced by the object but that does not cause things to be pushed against the object.
          Einstein’s explanation that has been verified is that Mass distorts the fabric of space. For practical calculations Newton’s gravity law is all one needs. In which case newton’s apple was sucked.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Thanks for the insight.

  • Michael W Wolf

    ball is pushed to the surface not sucked.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks, I new when I was saying it I had made a mistake – but I didn’t want to break flow, I’d say pulled, if I was to make a correction – I will put a caption on to correct later.

      • Michael W Wolf

        I love what you have done Bob. But everyone says pulled but I think that is wrong. Space is not nothing. If you take an object with mass and insert it into space, say the Earth, it displaces space, that displaced space is trying to return to where the mass is now, that is what pushes things to the surface. I mean if the whole of science sees it backwards, couldn’t that be one of the cause of the mystery of gravity? And think about it, the bigger the mass, the more the displacement, the stronger the gravity.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I am trying to speak in ways many people can understand.

        • Saint

          Michael,
          These things you say are pushed to the surface are also surrounded on all sides by the space they are displacing resulting in a zero net force in any direction. Its easier to visualize a case where one immerses in water a denser than water object. Then the water will exert pressure trying to take back the volume displaced by the object but that does not cause things to be pushed against the object.
          Einstein’s explanation that has been verified is that Mass distorts the fabric of space. For practical calculations Newton’s gravity law is all one needs. In which case newton’s apple was sucked.

          • Michael W Wolf

            Thanks for the insight.

  • Bob Matulis

    Love these video updates Bob. They are interesting and informative. Very cool learning how all the pieces to the puzzle are starting to fit.

  • Bob Matulis

    Love these video updates Bob. They are interesting and informative. Very cool learning how all the pieces to the puzzle are starting to fit.

  • Gerard McEk

    I love these video’s, Bob. When I measure it on your level of enthousiasme, I believe you are right. Nevertheless I want to be convinced that you are on the right track, so I hope to see it proven soon!

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is proven, but it is only when you see it with your own eyes. Piantelli told us he had conducted his original experiments he designed with Focardi et al more than 100 times.

      • Gerard McEk

        OK! But why did it take you more than 2 years to replicate it. Did he not tell you the exact procedure for replication?

        • Bob Greenyer

          No – as you can see we drew on several sources, each given due credit.

          • Gerard McEk

            Thanks for your straight answer. Now things become a bit more clear. I hope that Piantelli, the father of the NiH LENR reaction, is not angry that his invention is now so openly replicated and employed. He should be honored for it!
            Now that more replications are being made (another one today in the Institute of Nuclear Science in China), LENR will soon face a media breakthrough. You and your colleagues of MFMP are major promotors of LENR. Please continue to lead us to the New Fire.
            Good luck also for Arik Boher!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Gerard, Piantelli’s daughter has, effectively, the master patent. Rossi has the sauce – Alkali metal – this makes it trivial to get H-, but without Piantelli it would be nothing. Period.

  • Gerard McEk

    I love these video’s, Bob. When I measure it on your level of enthousiasme, I believe you are right. Nevertheless I want to be convinced that you are on the right track, so I hope to see it proven soon!

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is proven, but it is only when you see it with your own eyes. Piantelli told us he had conducted his original experiments he designed with Focardi et al more than 100 times.

      • Gerard McEk

        OK! But why did it take you more than 2 years to replicate it. Did he not tell you the exact procedure for replication?

        • Bob Greenyer

          No – as you can see we drew on several sources, each given due credit and our own experience.

          Just received the from Arik Boher at SKINNER

          “We are starting performing the protocol you send me in our High Temp. Gas Loading cell (HTGL).”

          • Gerard McEk

            Thanks for your straight answer. Now things become a bit more clear. I hope that Piantelli, the father of the NiH LENR reaction, is not angry that his invention is now so openly replicated and employed. He should be honored for it!
            Now that more replications are being made (another one today in the Institute of Nuclear Science in China), LENR will soon face a media breakthrough. You and your colleagues of MFMP are major promotors of LENR. Please continue to lead us to the New Fire.
            Good luck also for Arik Boher!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Gerard, Piantelli’s daughter has, effectively, the master patent. Rossi has the sauce – Alkali metal – this makes it trivial to get H-, but without Piantelli it would be nothing. Period.

  • Curbina

    Bob, tell me if I’m wrong, but I detect that, at least for you, the detection of the signal and the latter realization that Rossi was never lying, has marked a sort of “before and after”, and now you are “full fledged” into demostrate it to the world. I loved when you expressed your dissapointment with the people trying to belittle your efforts, and specially when you said: “this is happening, for better or worse, this is happening”. I’m really glad to see people that incarnate both knowledge and passion is involved in this. I’m thankfull for the existence of the MFPM. My Best Regards!!!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Curbina, thank you – you have been there cheering us on through the dark times.

      I need to sleep – but I will then edit the next video, time is so frustrating as is exhaustion now – I want the world to see with the Lucid clarity I have now.

  • Curbina

    Bob, tell me if I’m wrong, but I detect that, at least for you, the detection of the signal and the latter realization that Rossi was never lying, has marked a sort of “before and after”, and now you are “full fledged” into demostrate it to the world. I loved when you expressed your dissapointment with the people trying to belittle your efforts, and specially when you said: “this is happening, for better or worse, this is happening”. I’m really glad to see people that incarnate both knowledge and passion is involved in this. I’m thankfull for the existence of the MFPM. My Best Regards!!!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Curbina, thank you – you have been there cheering us on through the dark times.

      I need to sleep – but I will then edit the next video, time is so frustrating as is exhaustion now – I want the world to see with the Lucid clarity I have now.

  • Bob Matulis

    Just finished the video and have one question. The gravitational forces are relatively so minute I cannot understand how the heavier Ni would make a discernible difference?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Please read Stoyan Sarg (the first guy to make a working anti-gravity drive, before EM and my next project). He talks about super gravitational force with respect to atoms – it the whole basis of his theory. The gravity falls of inverse square law – in the range of femto meters, it is super gravity – every little bit counts.

      What you need is a way in – and then the biggest attractors there is. I will explain all and you will see why I am so certain.

      • Bob Matulis

        Looks like I have some homework to do! Thanks

        • Bob Greenyer

          Only so you can go AH HAH! instead of Eh What?

          • Bob Matulis

            Exactly! Like I tell my kids, I don’t design car engines but with time can understand how they work and whether or not they are a good design.

      • vokzzi V

        Unifying gravity with the other three interactions would provide a theory of everything (TOE)

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yep – but to most people, what they care about is power.

          • Josh G

            Bob, you are on a roll!!

            This guy has a novel approach to ‘unifying’ gravity and E/M fields:

            http://milesmathis.com/uft2.html

            “Now we continue on to Coulomb’s equation:

            “F = kq1q2/r2

            “One hundred years after Newton, we got another unified field equation. Here we have charges instead of masses, and the constant is different, but otherwise the equation looks the same as Newton’s. Physicists have always wondered why the equations are so similar, but until now, no one really knew. No one understood that they are both the same equation, in a different disguise.

            “I unveiled this equation using a different trick…
            It happened like this: I noticed that the angular velocity equation in textbooks didn’t make any sense, so I went back to Newton to see how it was derived. I discovered that Newton had given us different values for tangential velocity and orbital velocity, but that the two numbers had gotten conflated since then. Meaning, the two numbers had become one. Modern physicists now think tangential velocity and orbital velocity are the same thing, but they aren’t. In correcting this muddle, I found that the angular momentum equation had to change. By my analysis, L = rmv was no longer true. After I corrected it, I went to Bohr’s equations for hydrogen, finding that they had to be redone. Once I fixed them, it turned out that the value for the Bohr radius was exactly the same as Coulomb’s constant (in reverse). The new Bohr radius is 9 x 10-9 meters. Coulomb’s constant is 9 x 109.

            I could immediately see that Coulomb’s constant is another scaling constant, like G. Instead of scaling smaller, like G, k scales larger. Coulomb’s constant takes us up from the Bohr radius to the radius of macro-objects like Coulomb’s spheres. It turns the single electron charge into a field charge.”

            See the pdf for more, and his website for even more: http://milesmathis.com/index.html

  • Brokeeper

    The presentation was very well done and easy to follow. Thanks Bob.
    To verify my understanding, there are gradient steps to initiate excitation within the catalyst. Heavy Ni62 is needed within the first steps to aid in pullling nuetrons to the atom’s nucleus with its stronger gravity pull and thus creating the necesary radation signals to excite the reactions further. Is this correct?

    • Bob Greenyer

      No neutrons – protium is one proton and 1 electron.

      It is Protide or H- , a proton with two electrons.

      I will explain in a future video.

  • Bob Matulis

    Just finished the video and have one question. The gravitational forces are relatively so minute I cannot understand how the heavier Ni would make a discernible difference?

    • Rémi Andre

      I don’t understand too

    • Bob Greenyer

      Please read Stoyan Sarg (the first guy to make a working anti-gravity drive, before EM and my next project). He talks about super gravitational force with respect to atoms – it is the whole basis of his theory, and he used to work on inter-stella propulsion during the soviet era. The gravity falls off with an inverse square law – in the range of femto meters, it is super gravity – every little bit counts.

      What you need is a way in – and then the biggest attractors there is. I will explain all and you will see why I am so certain.

      Please go and review the quantum mechanical electron probability models which you can find a good link to from the “Symphony of the New Fire” document – this will help you with understanding future videos as the information is rolled out.

      • Bob Matulis

        Looks like I have some homework to do! Thanks

        • Bob Greenyer

          Only so you can go AH HAH! instead of Eh What?

          • Bob Matulis

            Exactly! Like I tell my kids, I don’t design car engines but with time can understand how they work and whether or not they are a good design.

      • vokzzi V

        Unifying gravity with the other three interactions would provide a theory of everything (TOE)

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yep – but to most people, what they care about is power.

          • vokzzi V

            So you think you have it? ToE
            That would be something .

          • Josh G

            Bob, you are on a roll!!

            This guy has a novel approach to ‘unifying’ gravity and E/M fields:

            http://milesmathis.com/uft2.html

            “Now we continue on to Coulomb’s equation:

            “F = kq1q2/r2

            “One hundred years after Newton, we got another unified field equation. Here we have charges instead of masses, and the constant is different, but otherwise the equation looks the same as Newton’s. Physicists have always wondered why the equations are so similar, but until now, no one really knew. No one understood that they are both the same equation, in a different disguise.

            “I unveiled this equation using a different trick…
            It happened like this: I noticed that the angular velocity equation in textbooks didn’t make any sense, so I went back to Newton to see how it was derived. I discovered that Newton had given us different values for tangential velocity and orbital velocity, but that the two numbers had gotten conflated since then. Meaning, the two numbers had become one. Modern physicists now think tangential velocity and orbital velocity are the same thing, but they aren’t. In correcting this muddle, I found that the angular momentum equation had to change. By my analysis, L = rmv was no longer true. After I corrected it, I went to Bohr’s equations for hydrogen, finding that they had to be redone. Once I fixed them, it turned out that the value for the Bohr radius was exactly the same as Coulomb’s constant (in reverse). The new Bohr radius is 9 x 10-9 meters. Coulomb’s constant is 9 x 109.

            I could immediately see that Coulomb’s constant is another scaling constant, like G. Instead of scaling smaller, like G, k scales larger. Coulomb’s constant takes us up from the Bohr radius to the radius of macro-objects like Coulomb’s spheres. It turns the single electron charge into a field charge.”

            See the pdf for more, and his website for even more: http://milesmathis.com/index.html

  • Brokeeper

    The presentation was very well done and easy to follow. Thanks Bob.
    To verify my understanding, there are gradient steps to initiate excitation within the catalyst. Heavier Ni62 is needed within the first steps to aid in pullling nuetrons to the atom’s nucleus with its stronger gravity pull and thus creating the necesary radiation signals to excite the reactions further. Is this correct?

    • Bob Greenyer

      No neutrons – protium is one proton and 1 electron.

      It is Protide or H- , a proton with two electrons.

      I will explain in a future video.

  • Private Citizen

    Thumbs-up for the Hitchhiker’s Guide to Ni62

    • Bob Greenyer

      There is so much more – it is just trying to fit it all into the symphony so that it plays well and can be listened to with ease.

  • Private Citizen

    Thumbs-up for the Hitchhiker’s Guide to Ni62

    • Bob Greenyer

      There is so much more – it is just trying to fit it all into the symphony so that it plays well and can be listened to with ease.

  • Dods

    Cheers Bob another brilliant presentation. “Johnny 5 need more input”, “Feed me Seymour” you get the gist.

    • Bob Greenyer

      People mocked me in the CMNS forum – I have had senior scientists send notes of pity – but they didn’t have the crowd, you guys, enable an audience with Piantelli – he discovered this without a doubt and developed with Focardi – Rossi added the sauce, and that was an Ionic molten metal hydride which made H- production guaranteed.

      As a heads up to the reveal in the next video, please go and see what I wrote in the first months of last year in a desperate attempt to ensure it could not be patented as the implications are earth shattering. Look in my spreadsheet from line 482 onwards

      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Ntgj0_CUo2U9Ic0lgoHEFgezpXZq6vIcbkD1LP2zLuk/edit#gid=1904317063

      Have fun – the world will not know what is about to hit it!

      • psi2u2

        Heh heh heh heh.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Oh yeh baby – this thing ‘ll sing like a canary in the palm of your hand!

          • coolabuelo

            You are really good bob, I am in Maspalomas and I can hear them singing at this moment! Perfect!

          • Warthog

            Well, perhaps for the skeptopaths it will be the fat lady rather than a canary.

      • georgehants

        Bob, you wrote —– ” please go and see what I wrote in the first months of last year in a desperate attempt to ensure it could not be patented as the implications are earth shattering.”
        Wonderful.

  • pg

    -15 to test results!!

  • pg

    -15 to test results!!

  • orsobubu

    if I can, for us not native english listeners, I prey you to record your fantastic videos in a way there is less echo, it would help…

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi there – in both videos, I could not hire the video companies Sennheiser Radio Microphones – so we had to make do. I have made it possible for the crowd to add CC or translations.

      Perhaps we can get one – I will look into it.

      • MWerner

        All you need is a small lapel mike with a long cord:-)

        • Mats002

          Or cushions in the roof mitigating the ecco…

          • Bob Greenyer

            I used to do a lot of recordings in my home office – I would pile up every pillow and duvet in the house, covering every hard surface and talk into one.

            Now I have a 11 month and a 2Y9M in the house and no amount of padding can guarantee piece!

        • Warthog

          That is what bluetooth is for.

  • catfish

    Very erudite, very enjoyable. This really does answer a few questions for me. Thanks so much. At the risk of being off topic. Bob Greenyer MUST be the next Doctor Who

    • Bob Matulis

      LOL!

    • Bob Greenyer

      Why thank you, I’d love to play the role!

      • jimbo92107

        More like a guest appearance. And have Dr. Who recommend something off the wall, like “Don’t forget to add a pinch of salt.” Then we’d all be chasing around looking at the periodic table on sodium and chlorine… 😉

        • Bob Greenyer

          too right

          • jimbo92107

            The show you should get on right now is Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s “Star Talk” podcast. Forget fantasy shows. LENR needs credibility. Explain to Tyson how this tech is mimicking the nuclear reactions on the surface of a brown dwarf star. That’s a pretty good opening for a fun discussion. If you can convince Tyson that this stuff is legit, then Bill Nye’s not far behind.

            Also, quit saying COP. There’s enough nerdy alphabet soup in the world. Break down some of the jargon into words laypeople can understand, like “percentage gain.” You add 100 Watts in, you get 1000 Watts out. That’s a gain of 1000 percent, or ten times the input. If that 58Ni + H2 theory pans out, we could be looking at a gain of 1000 times the input power. Anybody can see that’s a good thing.

            Oh, and get Rossi to sign your cast. That would be tre cool.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Good tips, thanks.

  • catfish

    Very erudite, very enjoyable. This really does answer a few questions for me. Thanks so much. At the risk of being off topic. Bob Greenyer MUST be the next Doctor Who

    • Bob Matulis

      LOL!

      • e-dog

        He’d also make a good Sherlock too???

        • Bob Greenyer

          I have had to smoke on stage before – never enjoyed it as I am a non-smoker, put me off my lines.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Why thank you, I’d love to play the role!

      • jimbo92107

        More like a guest appearance. And have Dr. Who recommend something off the wall, like “Don’t forget to add a pinch of salt.” Then we’d all be chasing around looking at the periodic table on sodium and chlorine… 😉

        • Bob Greenyer

          too right

          • jimbo92107

            The show you should get on right now is Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s “Star Talk” podcast. Forget fantasy shows. LENR needs credibility. Explain to Tyson how this tech is mimicking the nuclear reactions on the surface of a brown dwarf star. That’s a pretty good opening for a fun discussion. If you can convince Tyson that this stuff is legit, then Bill Nye’s not far behind.

            Also, quit saying COP. There’s enough nerdy alphabet soup in the world. Break down some of the jargon into words laypeople can understand, like “percentage gain.” You add 100 Watts in, you get 1000 Watts out. That’s a gain of 1000 percent, or ten times the input. If that 58Ni + H2 theory pans out, we could be looking at a gain of 1000 times the input power. Anybody can see that’s a good thing.

            Oh, and get Rossi to sign your cast. That would be tre cool.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Good tips, thanks.

  • Antonio LaGatta and John T Vaughn (Industrial Heat) have incorporated HMRI R&D Inc in North Carolina:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2838-Antonio-LaGatta-and-John-T-Vaughn-have-incorporated-HMRI-R-D-Inc-in-North-Caroli/

  • e-dog

    Great video Bob! Can I just add something to the Live Open Science you guys are doing?? Live Entertaining Open Science!!! Keep those videos coming.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Editing one now – and it is a killer!

      • Toussaint françois

        We will have it tonight ?

        • Michael W Wolf

          The same synapses were popping in my mind. hehe

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hmmm – I think I need to sleep – I want to get this one right.

  • e-dog

    Great video Bob! Can I just add something to the Live Open Science you guys are doing?? Live Entertaining Open Science!!! Keep those videos coming.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Editing one now – and it is a killer!

      • Toussaint françois

        We will have it tonight ?

        • Michael W Wolf

          The same synapses were popping in my mind. hehe

          • Bob Greenyer

            Hmmm – I think I need to sleep – I want to get this one right.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Could anyone summarize this in a few words? I’m sorry but I belong to the people who do not enjoy watching internet videos which are significantly longer than 2 minutes.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I watched it, but understood almost nothing, frankly speaking. So I would also be interested in a written summary.

      • Zephir

        Me too – after all, as Einstein has said: if you cannot explain your stuff to grandma, then you probably don’t understand it too. I just wasted my time with video.

    • Mats002

      Nickel is a HEAVY transition element (actually has high mass, but this is a popular version) and that is the key to the LENR reaction according to Piantelli from whom Rossi got his marbles. Ni62 is the heaviest of the Ni isotopes and therefore don’t want to change further.

      Rossi enhanced the effect by introducing H from LiAlH4 instead of H2 gas and that is IP of Rossi but the base recipe is the IP of Piantelli.

      • Bob Greenyer

        64Ni is heaviest but in low concentration, but it reverts to 62Ni

        Because of the way isotopes are fractionated (MOND + CENTRIFUGE or ZONE REFINING) there will be more 64Ni in any attempt to get pure 62Ni

        • Axil Axil

          Defkalion did not transmute Ni61 because their reaction was weakened by magnetic interference. Rossi’s reaction is more powerful and can transmute Ni61 which has a non zero nuclear spin. Rossi’s reaction is strong enough to transmute to Ni62 but not to Ni64.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Thank you, Mats. Ok, Piantelli’s H- ion theory again. A clever one, admittedly – at least as far as I can judge.

      • Michael W Wolf

        I think you nailed it, other matts. 🙂

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Could anyone summarize this in a few words? I’m sorry but I belong to the people who do not enjoy watching internet videos which are significantly longer than 2 minutes.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I watched it, but understood almost nothing, frankly speaking. So I would also be interested in a written summary.

      • Zephir

        Me too – after all, as Einstein has said: if you cannot explain your stuff to grandma, then you probably don’t understand it too. I just wasted my time with video.

    • Mats002

      Nickel is a HEAVY transition element (actually has high mass, but this is a popular version) and that is the key to the LENR reaction according to Piantelli from whom Rossi got his marbles. Ni62 is the heaviest of the Ni isotopes and therefore don’t want to change further.

      Rossi enhanced the effect by introducing H from LiAlH4 instead of H2 gas which increase the amount of H- and that is IP of Rossi but the base recipe is the IP of Piantelli.

      • Bob Greenyer

        64Ni is heaviest but in low concentration, but it reverts to 62Ni

        Because of the way isotopes are fractionated (MOND + CENTRIFUGE or ZONE REFINING) there will be more 64Ni in any attempt to get pure 62Ni

        • Axil Axil

          Defkalion did not transmute Ni61 because their reaction was weakened by magnetic interference. Rossi’s reaction is more powerful, it has less interference, and can transmute Ni61 which has a non zero nuclear spin. Rossi’s reaction is strong enough to transmute to Ni62 but not to Ni64.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Thank you, Mats. Ok, Piantelli’s H- ion theory again. A clever one, admittedly – at least as far as I can judge.

      • Michael W Wolf

        I think you nailed it, other matts. 🙂

      • clovis ray

        bull,

  • radvar

    Bob Greenyer is *on* the New Fire!

    • Bob Greenyer

      When you understand the process – the rest is obvious engineering.

  • Axil Axil

    The results from Lugano are not useful in reverse engineering the LENR reaction at the initial stage that MFMP is now. On the contrary, those Lugano results have led Rossi to a very advanced understanding of the LENR reaction. Rossi said that the Lugano results inspired him to create the design of the E Cat X. IMHO, that XCat insight goes beyond the NI62 question and more into the LENR reaction in the vapor stage.

    The purpose of fuel preprocessing is to make the nickel particles porous through sintering and able to produce hydrogen nanocrystals. In Lugano, the nickel melted and lost the ability to produces LENR active effect using it porosity. The melting of nickel during the Lugano test took away nickel’s role in the LENR reaction.

    The melted nickel became passive and its ability to flow in the liquid state allowed the mixing of the nickel to completely transmute into the Ni62 isotope. After the nickel converted to Ni62 as a side reaction off the main LENR reaction, the Ni62 stopped participating in the LENR reaction as a dead end. It is a dead end because no Ni64 was found.

    The active LENR agents in Lugano were in place after nickel melted. In other words, nickel played a role in initiating the LENR reaction but after a time became inactive when it melted. The core of the Lugano reactor has all the metallized hydrogen required to keep the LENR reaction going.

    Rossi used this observation to setup the XCat to operate at a temperature greater than the melting point of nickel(over 1500C).

    The active agent in the LENR reaction at those high temperatures is metalized hydrogen. Once that form of hydrogen forms, it takes over the LENR reaction from the melted nickel particles.

    Think of the LENR reaction like a multistage rocket where each stage is discarded after its function has completed.

    Rossi has gone beyond Piantelli on the design of the XCat. It is bad form to mix the XCat design with Piantilli design thinking.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Wait till the next video.

    • Matt Sevrens

      You talk so much talk. Why don’t you do your own replication.

      • TomR

        Matt, please don’t discourage Axil Axil from stating his thoughts. I realize he probably doesn’t have to state them in such an absolute positive way.

      • Axil Axil

        My talent revolves around synisys. Others have more talent in experimentation. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear( An old-fashioned way of saying that you cannot make a good quality product using bad quality materials.

        • Karl Venter

          Please dont stop Axil
          I read all your posts most of the time 3 or 4 time just to try and understand and I get only a little wiser every time
          Please dont stop

    • US_Citizen71

      I think in essence he may have created a Lithium vapor light. If the reaction is Li7 + p > 2 He4 and that reaction can be triggered by a laser when the Li and H are both vapors why not by a high voltage arc. Materials to contain it would be the only big stopper.

      • Axil Axil

        I had alway thought that magnetism was essential to the LENR reaction, but I have changed by view on this because LENR may be like superconductivity. Bose condensation is destroyed by magnetism and if condensation is essential to the LENR reaction, its destruction weakens it. When a LENR system is exposed to magnetism, it produces gamma radiation. That says to me that it is Bose condensation that thermalized gamma radiation.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Rossi’s Patent reactor is a flat pancake with a heater in the middle operating at temperatures above the curie point of pretty much most things.

          It is Heat.

  • Axil Axil

    The results from Lugano are not useful in reverse engineering the LENR reaction at the initial rudimentary stage of analysis that MFMP is now. On the contrary, those Lugano results have led Rossi to a very advanced understanding of the LENR reaction. Rossi said that the Lugano results inspired him to create the design of the E Cat X. IMHO, that XCat insight goes beyond the NI62 question and more into the LENR reaction in the vapor stage.

    The purpose of fuel preprocessing is to make the nickel particles porous through sintering and able to produce hydrogen nanocrystals. In Lugano, the nickel melted and lost the ability to produce the LENR active effect using it porosity. The melting of nickel during the Lugano test took away nickel’s role in the LENR reaction.

    The melted nickel became passive and its ability to flow in the liquid state allowed the mixing of the nickel to completely transmute into the Ni62 isotope. After the nickel converted to Ni62 as a side reaction off the main LENR reaction, the Ni62 stopped participating in the LENR reaction as a dead end. It is a dead end because no Ni64 was found.

    The active LENR agents in Lugano were in place after nickel melted. In other words, nickel played a role in initiating the LENR reaction but after a time became inactive when it melted. The core of the Lugano reactor has all the metallized hydrogen required to keep the LENR reaction going.

    Rossi used this observation to setup the XCat to operate at a temperature greater than the melting point of nickel(over 1500C).

    The active agent in the LENR reaction at those high temperatures is metalized hydrogen. Once that form of hydrogen forms, it takes over the LENR reaction from the melted nickel particles.

    Think of the LENR reaction like a multistage rocket where each stage is discarded after its function has completed.

    Rossi has gone beyond Piantelli on the design of the XCat. It is bad analysis technique and therefore confusing to mix the XCat design with Piantilli design thinking.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Wait till the next video.

    • Matt Sevrens

      You talk so much talk. Why don’t you do your own replication.

      • TomR

        Matt, please don’t discourage Axil Axil from stating his thoughts. I realize he probably doesn’t have to state them in such an absolute positive way.

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Because he is a theoretician, not an experimenter.

        Sorry, but I don’t like your comment.

        I think Axil Axil his contributions to the LENR discussions are highly valuable and thought provoking though not always easy to follow. I certainly enjoy them. He seems like a highly trained scientist, open to phenomenons like LENR (definitely not every scientist is) and willing to share his quite advanced thoughts on the various topics. Those qualities in itself are highly commendable.

        Besides sharing his thoughts on what is happening in LENR processes, why would he need to prove himself further to anybody by also doing his own replication in a field that is very probably not his expertise at all?

        I could also ask you what your contribution to the discussion is and I sincerely doubt if that would be equal to Axil Axil his contribution.

        • Bob Greenyer

          I agree – Axil Axil has worked very hard over the years – He even gets a mention in the next video which I recorded 2 days ago and which will be published shortly.

        • Zephir

          /* He seems like a highly trained scientist */

          I got exactly the opposite opinion from his posts, but anyway – the ability to distinguish publicly available facts from private speculations is what every scientist should handle.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            I’m not a scientist so I cannot really judge his expertise. However, whatever his opinions are, he’s able to substantiate them with either links to theories and experiments or he admits to theorizing and not stating facts. That sounds like a scientific mindset to me. He also provides anyone who asks with more information.

            In the end everyone has to draw his or her own conclusions and mine is that he seems an intelligent and scientific minded individual who’s contributions I enjoy.

      • Axil Axil

        My talent revolves around synthesis. Others have more talent in experimentation. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear( An old-fashioned way of saying that you cannot make a good quality product using bad quality materials.)

        • Karl Venter

          Please dont stop Axil
          I read all your posts most of the time 3 or 4 time just to try and understand and I get only a little wiser every time
          Please dont stop

    • US_Citizen71

      I think in essence he may have created a Lithium vapor light. If the reaction is Li7 + p > 2 He4 and that reaction can be triggered by a laser when the Li and H are both vapors why not by a high voltage arc. Materials to contain it would be the only big stopper.

      • Axil Axil

        I had alway thought that magnetism was essential to the LENR reaction, but I have changed by view on this because LENR may be like superconductivity. Bose condensation is destroyed by magnetism and if condensation is essential to the LENR reaction, its destruction weakens it. When a LENR system is exposed to magnetism, it produces gamma radiation. That says to me that it is Bose condensation that thermalized gamma radiation.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Rossi’s Patent reactor is a flat pancake with a heater in the middle operating at temperatures above the curie point of pretty much most things.

          It is Heat.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi there – in both videos, I could not hire the video companies Sennheiser Radio Microphones – so we had to make do. I have made it possible for the crowd to add CC or translations.

    Perhaps we can get one – I will look into it.

    • MWerner

      All you need is a small lapel mike with a long cord:-)

      • Mats002

        Or cushions in the roof mitigating the ecco…

        • Bob Greenyer

          I used to do a lot of recordings in my home office – I would pile up every pillow and duvet in the house, covering every hard surface and talk into one.

          Now I have a 11 month and a 2Y9M in the house and no amount of padding can guarantee piece!

      • Warthog

        That is what bluetooth is for.

  • Gerald

    It makes me wonder if by looking at were nickel is harvested and the % 58 vs 62 if its all the same on the earth or if there are fluctuations. So is LERN a natural fenomena occuring right now or is the nickel all forced right after the big bang in stars..

    Loved the video and really loved the sentence: It all makes sense….

    • Obvious

      The isotopes do vary. The source does make a difference.
      I figured out where and how heavy Ni isotopes are concentrated naturally within days of the Lugano report going public.
      I mentioned this to Rossi in a letter, but he simply praised my skill and wished me the best of luck in my future endeavors.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is what drives the heat under the crust.

  • Gerald

    It makes me wonder if by looking at were nickel is harvested and the % 58 vs 62 if its all the same on the earth or if there are fluctuations. So is LERN a natural fenomena occuring right now or is the nickel all forced right after the big bang in stars..

    Loved the video and really loved the sentence: It all makes sense….

    • Obvious

      The isotopes do vary. The source does make a difference.
      I figured out where and how heavy Ni isotopes are concentrated naturally within days of the Lugano report going public.
      I mentioned this to Rossi in a letter, but he simply praised my skill and wished me the best of luck in my future endeavors.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is what drives the heat under the crust.

  • LindbergofSwed

    Good riddance to no excess heat, mate! May the Signal be with you!

    What do you think about this old post?

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/15/lundin-and-lidgren-predict-cop-of-over-1000-based-on-their-theory/

    “Overall, the H2 + Ni58 reactor gives a higher performance. In fact, by combining wave input at frequencies closer to resonance with decreasing external power, (low-power mode) a new equilibrium may theoretically establish where the gain/COP may exceed 1000” (p. 8).

    • jimbo92107

      If this was written in 2015, why hasn’t somebody already tested this hypothesis? Or have they??

      Is somebody going to buy a LENR kit and burn their garage down with 58Ni?

    • LindbergofSwed

      I mean in light of the new knowledge.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is entirely consistent – You see – this is WITHOUT 7Li

        62Ni is useless for the base Piantelli reaction that drives the big gain secondary reaction.

        But 58Ni is ideal!

  • LindbergofSwed

    Good riddance to no excess heat, mate! May the Signal be with you!

    What do you think about this old post?

    http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/10/15/lundin-and-lidgren-predict-cop-of-over-1000-based-on-their-theory/

    “Overall, the H2 + Ni58 reactor gives a higher performance. In fact, by combining wave input at frequencies closer to resonance with decreasing external power, (low-power mode) a new equilibrium may theoretically establish where the gain/COP may exceed 1000” (p. 8).

    • jimbo92107

      If this was written in 2015, why hasn’t somebody already tested this hypothesis? Or have they??

      Is somebody going to buy a LENR kit and burn their garage down with 58Ni?

    • LindbergofSwed

      I mean in light of the new knowledge.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is entirely consistent – You see – this is WITHOUT 7Li

        62Ni is useless for the base Piantelli reaction that drives the big gain secondary reaction.

        But 58Ni is ideal!

  • hempenearth

    Heavy man!

  • hempenearth

    Heavy man!

  • Optimist

    Just wondering regarding the Pb shielding if metallic foam could help reducing the weight and volume?

    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/jul/24/metal-foams-could-make-promising-radiation-shields

    • Navdrew

      Forward to Rossi for his consideration if you haven’t done so.

    • Warthog

      Unfortunately, it also reduces shielding ability. For gamma, solid metal of high atomic number is what is needed, with the density of the metal being the key parameter. In actual fact, depleted uranium is sometimes used in place of lead for gamma shielding.

  • Optimist

    Just wondering regarding the Pb shielding if metallic foam could help reducing the weight and volume?

    http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2015/jul/24/metal-foams-could-make-promising-radiation-shields

    • Navdrew

      Forward to Rossi for his consideration if you haven’t done so.

    • Warthog

      Unfortunately, it also reduces shielding ability. For gamma, solid metal of high atomic number is what is needed, with the density of the metal being the key parameter. In actual fact, depleted uranium is sometimes used in place of lead for gamma shielding.

  • Axil Axil

    When Bob G says heavy, he means the most nuclear binding energy per nucleon. Ni62 has the most nuclear binding energy per nucleon of any element, In that sense, Ni62 is the heaviest element.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy.

    It could be that this nuclear binding energy is the quantity that must come into a state of equilibrium by way of the LENR reaction among all the elements that the LENR reaction effects as covered by the nuclear condensate.

    If a Bose condensate is formed among all the nuclear components inside the reactor, then all those components may want to become energetically equal through a multi-particle entanglement process in terms of nuclear binding energy.

    As nuclear energy is removed from the condensate through the action of black thermal radiation from the metalized hydrogen, total binding energy in the condensate goes up.

    Small nuclei that are larger than hydrogen can combine into bigger ones and release energy. By releasing energy, they increase their nuclear binding energy. But in combining such nuclei, the amount of energy released is much smaller compared to hydrogen fusion. The reason is that while the overall process releases energy from letting the nuclear attraction do its work, bose condensation energy must rebalance nuclear forces between all the elements in the process of condensation.

    Nuclear energy is removed from the nickel nucleus until the nuclear binding energy is maximized.

    The nuclear energy is removed from the all the elements under the influence of the bose condensate and moved to the metalized hydrogen EMF surface field which continually leaks energy away as hawking radiation in the thermal spectrum.

    • LindbergofSwed

      Excellent!!!!!

  • Axil Axil

    When Bob G says heavy, he means the most nuclear binding energy per nucleon. Ni62 has the most nuclear binding energy per nucleon of any element, In that sense, Ni62 is the heaviest element.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_binding_energy.

    It could be that this nuclear binding energy is the quantity that must come into a state of equilibrium by way of the LENR reaction among all the elements that the LENR reaction effects as covered by the nuclear condensate.

    If a Bose condensate is formed among all the nuclear components inside the reactor, then all those components may want to become energetically equal through a multi-particle entanglement process in terms of nuclear binding energy.

    As nuclear energy is removed from the condensate through the action of black thermal radiation from the metalized hydrogen, total binding energy in the condensate goes up.

    Small nuclei that are larger than hydrogen can combine into bigger ones and release energy. By releasing energy, they increase their nuclear binding energy. But in combining such nuclei, the amount of energy released is much smaller compared to hydrogen fusion. The reason is that while the overall process releases energy from letting the nuclear attraction do its work, bose condensation energy must rebalance nuclear forces between all the elements in the process of condensation.

    Nuclear energy is removed from the nickel nucleus until the nuclear binding energy is maximized.

    The nuclear energy is removed from all the elements under the influence of the bose condensate and moved to the metalized hydrogen EMF surface field which continually leaks energy away as hawking radiation in the thermal spectrum.

    The most enhancement of the LENR reaction might be to use pure Ni58 which has the most energy to give over to the LENR process before the Ni62 ash product is reached.

    What is telling in understanding that binding energy is the critical quantity in the LENR nuclear equation is because Ni64 becomes Ni62. This happens because by giving up its nuclear energy to the condensate, its binding energy is increased and maximized as Ni62.

    It might also be that when nickel is a liquid, its flow allows more nickel to be converted to Ni62 than if it were a solid.

    • LindbergofSwed

      Excellent!!!!!

  • Bob Greenyer

    Mats Lewan just had a recollection from his book (which I deliberately did not read in order to “clean room” my thoughts.

    “In my book (and elsewhere) Rossi speaks about the natural choice of nickel and hydrogen as the (heavy) anvil and the (light and fast) hammer. As the idea that guided him.”

    The ( ) are annotations he added after seeing the 62Ni Video

    • Axil Axil

      Ni62 could well be an ash product, That is why it exists at the end of the LENR reaction.

      • Bob Greenyer

        and yet there was no slow material down in the reaction in Lugano – what there was, was probably due to 7Li depletion

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Several years ago I was thinking of hydride covalently
      bonded to the lattice and oscillating at its infrared stretching frequency as a paddle ball with a rubber band (see the comments here).
      http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        Maybe if the lithium forms an alloy with the nickel lattice this paddle ball analogy might explain how this reaction takes place.
        [Ni-Li]~~p > Be > 2 He.

        • Axil Axil

          How about this one

          4(Li7) ~~ Ni58 > 4(Li6) ~~ Ni62

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Not bad but I can top that with this delirious one.

            I just remembered my April 1st 2013 contribution. The Rossion.
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/03/31/senate-directs-e-cat-work/#comment-1061392141
            When the core of Rossi’s E-Cat is heated to 60 degrees C (to create infrared photons), electron holes (+) (positively charged fermions from the valance band of the nickel) react with hydrides H(-) to form neutral bosons, called rossions, r(+ -) (that are similar to ecitions. Because these
            rossions are bosons they can easily aggregate to form the most stable nucleus
            there is, Ni-62 .

            H(-)(+) (rossion) > [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + positrons

          • Alan DeAngelis

            So, like your proposal below via a Rossion.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            64 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 64 [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + 34 positrons

            I’m just looking excuse to call something a rossion, that’s why I came up with this crap.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            It’s too late in the day for coherent sentences but I’ll give it another try:

            I’m just looking for an excuse to call something a rossion. That’s why I came up with this crap.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            62 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 62 [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + 34 positrons

          • Bob Greenyer

            Love it – but it’s thinking – and that is what needs to happen – because this **** is real

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Actually, my rossion stuff is total BS but I think we have to pay attention to the chemistry. So, I think the paddle ball analogy is valid. Bulk metals are soft acids by HSAB theory and hydride is a soft base.
            So, they would form a soft polarizable covalent bond between them.

            BTW, Li+ is a hard acid by HSAB. Maybe if it incorporates itself onto the surface of the metal lattice it (the Li) might be able to form a soft polarizable covalent bond with hydride that plain LiH could not. (See the
            comments where I misspelled infrared.)
            http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

          • Stephen

            Alan. Great! I love it when people think our side the box. Even if an idea is wrong it can lead to new ways of thinking. This one is really cool.

          • Stephen

            Just watched the 2nd video. Wow lots to think about. My head is buzzing with possible applications. Bob could it radiate some of the THz radiation? If so could the THz signal be modulated in such a way that it could be used as a transmitter and receiver to allow THz communications? Perhaps THz and X-rays could be used for sensors or imagers in medical or geophysical appliances etc?

            Talking about Dr Who: Bob are you sure the hand held device you showed near the end was not your sonic screwdriver?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Stephen, I think there is a whole blue ocean of opportunity with this new technology. Whilst some people were marvelling or ridiculing the claims of Rossi to be writing something like 150 patents, I was just thinking – naturally, because once you know – it enables new solutions for so much.

            I can’t say your ideas would pan out – but, there are such things as photon filters, I have some on my camera lense – can they be switched on and off to modulate output – quite possibly. The most important thing is you are thinking – keep putting out those ideas in the public domain so that they are free to develop.

            You notice the sonic screwdriver? Dammit, I though that might have got through unnoticed.

          • Warthog

            St. Vidicon of Cathode (sci-fi reference). The emblem of the monks of St. Vidicon was a yellow-handled pocket screwdriver. Patron saint of techies. Enemy of the demon Murphy.

          • Bob Greenyer

            That is the other possibility – and why the full ECat formulae has (+heat from non chemical other)

  • Bob Greenyer

    Mats Lewan just had a recollection from his book (which I deliberately did not read in order to “clean room” my thoughts.

    “In my book (and elsewhere) Rossi speaks about the natural choice of nickel and hydrogen as the (heavy) anvil and the (light and fast) hammer. As the idea that guided him.”

    The ( ) are annotations he added after seeing the 62Ni Video

    • Axil Axil

      Ni62 could well be an ash product, That is why it exists at the end of the LENR reaction.

      • Bob Greenyer

        and yet there was no slow material down in the reaction in Lugano – what there was, was probably due to 7Li depletion

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Several years ago I was thinking of hydride covalently
      bonded to the lattice and oscillating at its infrared stretching frequency as a paddle ball with a rubber band (see the comments here).
      http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        Maybe if the lithium forms an alloy with the nickel lattice this paddle ball analogy might explain how this reaction takes place.
        [Ni-Li]~~p > Be > 2 He.

        • Axil Axil

          How about this one

          4(Li7) ~~ Ni58 > 4(Li6) ~~ Ni62

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Not bad but I can top that with this delirious one.

            I just remembered my April 1st 2013 contribution. The Rossion.
            http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/03/31/senate-directs-e-cat-work/#comment-1061392141
            When the core of Rossi’s E-Cat is heated to 60 degrees C (to create infrared photons), electron holes (+) (positively charged fermions from the valance band of the nickel) react with hydrides H(-) to form neutral bosons, called rossions, r(+ -) (that are similar to ecitions. Because these
            rossions are bosons they can easily aggregate to form the most stable nucleus
            there is, Ni-62 .

            H(-)(+) (rossion) > [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + positrons

          • Alan DeAngelis

            So, like your proposal below via a Rossion.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            64 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 64 [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + 34 positrons

            I’m just looking excuse to call something a rossion, that’s why I came up with this crap.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            It’s too late in the day for coherent sentences but I’ll give it another try:

            I’m just looking for an excuse to call something a rossion. That’s why I came up with this crap.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            62 H(-)(+) (rossion) > 62 [H(-)(+)] (Bose gas) > Ni-62 + 34 positrons

          • Bob Greenyer

            Love it – but it’s thinking – and that is what needs to happen – because this **** is real

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Actually, my rossion stuff is total BS but I think we have to pay attention to the chemistry. So, I think the paddle ball analogy is valid. Bulk metals are soft acids by HSAB theory and hydride is a soft base.
            So, they would form a soft polarizable covalent bond between them.

            BTW, Li+ is a hard acid by HSAB. Maybe if it incorporates itself onto the surface of the metal lattice it (the Li) might be able to form a soft polarizable covalent bond with hydride that plain LiH could not. (See the
            comments where I misspelled infrared.)
            http://coldfusionnow.org/peter-gluck-and-yeong-e-kim-on-lenr-research/

          • Stephen

            Alan. Great! I love it when people think our side the box. Even if an idea is wrong it can lead to new ways of thinking. This one is really cool.

          • Bob Greenyer

            That is the other possibility – and why the full ECat formulae has (+heat from non chemical other)

  • MorganMck

    Thanks for the video Bob. Very enlightening indeed. Looking forward to the next blockbuster.

    You know of course the the monitor is useless to the viewer (too small). Perhaps you can use a large TV as monitor or edit a split screen with the relevant slide synced to the presentation. I know yo have limited resources and appreciate what you do, but can’t help but think there is value in what you have on the indecipherable monitor and would love to actually see it.

    Keep ’em coming. .

    • Bob Greenyer

      Thanks

      I probably have 20 videos to make to get through explaining everything and I have to edit them as well – so – these are rough cuts for guys that are half-way there. I am trying to use resources and point to references that people can go and look at afterwards. This is for you all who have been here through the process. Later – there’ll be time to edit more tightly and mix in images or PIP where it would make things easier.

      • jimbo92107

        That reminds me… Do you have a teleprompter? If not, you can get an app for that, and show it on screen. It’s good for simple stuff like a bulleted list of topics. I had a class on public speaking where the professor said you should limit your main topics to no more than five per talk.

  • fact police

    Ni is the 7th or 8th lightest transition metal of the 30 or 40 elements so identified, so “it’s because they’re heavy” doesn’t seem as important as other factors. Also, the gravitational force is about 10^36 times smaller than the Coulomb force between a proton and Ni-62 nucleus. Seems kind of too small to matter.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Wait.

      • fact police

        If by “wait” you mean wait for the next video, sorry, but I’m unlikely to watch any more. I watched this one, and a few sections of your first, but it’s a very inefficient means to communicate some pretty simple points. It took you multiple minutes to say the October ecat weighed 100 kg, something most of your audience probably knew already.

        If you have some revolutionary physics to communicate, I submit you’ll reach a more relevant audience if you write it down. Of course, you won’t feel as much like a rock star…

        • Bob Greenyer

          Don’t wait

          On the weight of the reactor – I didn’t know and NONE of the MFMP did either!

          Perhaps the rest of the world will not pre-know that. The video is fast for you guys, but minimum viable product for the uninitiated.

          The physics is not mine and will come in later videos.

          • fact police

            Greenyer wrote:

            On the weight of the reactor – I didn’t know and NONE of the MFMP did either!

            Perhaps the rest of the world will not pre-know that.

            The mass was a critical point in arguing that there was enough thermal mass to keep it hot during the claimed self-sustained mode.

            But either way, you could have given the weight in 10 seconds. I know you want to be dramatic and all, but it really slows down the communication.

            The video is fast for you guys, but minimum viable product for the uninitiated.

            It’s too long for anyone. It’s fine if you want to emphasize style over substance, but it would be nice if the substance could be provided sans gesticulation somewhere it could be consumed more efficiently.

        • don’t be a jerk

          • Warthog

            I have to agree with “fact police”. Video is terribly inefficient compared to a written article/summary. I read VERY fast, and to be limited to the SSLLOOOWWW pace of the typical video is horribly frustrating. Far better to do a writeup (or transcript).

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I finally watched your video and found at least that you are a talented entertainer. But…please, use the next time another room with better acoustics, and speak a little bit slower if possible. And it would be nice if you could summarize the most important points somewhere in a few sentences.

        About your Earth-Saturn example: I guess you did not actually refer to gravity, is that correct? Maybe you meant the Coulomb attraction between the Ni nucleus and the hydride ion?

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yes on attraction – absolutely – but it is meant for a wider audience that would run away if faced with words like Coulomb.

          I am trying to be visual. I could write a paper over the next 8 months, get a few insiders to review it and then refine it to the need to knows – but I simply have not got the time – I want more people to feel it and video travels well.

          I really tried about the acoustics – but the video company has it on hire all week – and sadly the next two videos are recorded in the same room. We may be force to buy a mic and maybe record in a house with soft furnishings as Mats002 suggested.

          • fact police

            Greenyer wrote:

            Yes on attraction – absolutely – but it is meant for a wider audience that would run away if faced with words like Coulomb.

            Except there’s no difference in the Coulomb force between Ni58 and Ni62, and it is repulsive for a proton. Likewise, the nuclear force is the same because only nearest neighbors contribute, and it’s not effective at long range anyway.

            I am trying to be visual. I could write a paper over the next 8 months, get a few insiders to review it and then refine it to the need to knows – but I simply have not got the time – I want more people to feel it and video travels well.

            Writing the same message would take less time, not more. And less time for the audience to take in. Multiply their time by their numbers…

          • Bob Matulis

            Bob, I am glad you clarified. The gravity thing was not adding up for me. Despite that I consider your work and videos to be valuable. The “signal” sounds like the real deal and replication will close the deal. In science it is ok to forward some hypothesis and if some do not pan out it does not delegitimize the scientific method.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Wait.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      I finally watched your video and found at least that you are a talented entertainer. But…please, use the next time another room with better acoustics, and speak a little bit slower if possible. And it would be nice if you could summarize the most important points somewhere in a few sentences.

      About your Earth-Saturn example: I guess you did not actually refer to gravity, is that correct? Maybe you meant the Coulomb attraction between the Ni nucleus and the hydride ion?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Yes on attraction – absolutely – but it is meant for a wider audience that would run away if faced with words like Coulomb.

        I am trying to be visual. I could write a paper over the next 8 months, get a few insiders to review it and then refine it to the need to knows – but I simply have not got the time – I want more people to feel it and video travels well.

        I really tried about the acoustics – but the video company has it on hire all week – and sadly the next two videos are recorded in the same room. We may be force to buy a mic and maybe record in a house with soft furnishings as Mats002 suggested.

        • Bob Matulis

          Bob, I am glad you clarified. The gravity thing was not adding up for me. Despite that I consider your work and videos to be valuable. The “signal” sounds like the real deal and replication will close the deal. In science it is ok to forward some hypothesis and if some do not pan out it does not delegitimize the scientific method.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks

    I probably have 20 videos to make to get through explaining everything and I have to edit them as well – so – these are rough cuts for guys that are half-way there. I am trying to use resources and point to references that people can go and look at afterwards. This is for you all who have been here through the process. Later – there’ll be time to edit more tightly and mix in images or PIP where it would make things easier.

    • jimbo92107

      That reminds me… Do you have a teleprompter? If not, you can get an app for that, and show it on screen. It’s good for simple stuff like a bulleted list of topics. I had a class on public speaking where the professor said you should limit your main topics to no more than five per talk.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I agree – Axil Axil has worked very hard over the years – He even gets a mention in the next video which I recorded 2 days ago and which will be published shortly.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Don’t wait

  • Bob Greenyer

    Should I Stay or Should I Go?

    A walk through of a selection of reactor designs based on the Signal and a deep understanding of the driving process.

    https://youtu.be/zMs2We34jXo

    • Mats002

      Remember: Bob can be right or wrong but the main goal is to put as much information as possible out in the public domain so that this new knowledge can be used for free, ie open sourced.

      The window of making a patent that will stop DIYers is closing rapidly.

      This is a good thing for all of us.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Mats002, this is exactly the purpose, no one entity should have total domain over this technology.

        I don’t care if I am wrong, I care if I am right!

    • Gerard McEk

      What I missed in this video is the reason of AR to use a 3 phase coil.

      Additionally Bob, I assume you have seen the light. In the way you are bringing it to the public is entertaining, but not very effective. Untill now we slowly get little bits of information that we cannot easily correlate, so if you are finished in a month time we need to look at all the videos again, to be able to see the light too. I would prefer that you would publish the essentials on paper, without all kind of distractions.
      No offense to you personally, regards Gerard.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Making a presentation helps me think through various aspects. The theory will come in much clearer and succinct presentations – and they are the most important.

        The first set of videos, which has one more to run, are setting context.

        There will be an address.

        And then the main part of the theory.

        • Gerard McEk

          Thanks, yes explaining things to another helps to bring it to full clarity for yourself. I look forward to your written theory.

    • LukeDC

      Bob good vid and thumbs up for the effort. As an engineer I can appreciate the tangential thought in the reactor brainstorms. I represent an entity that is not in the replication countries that you mentioned the other day but F9 will have something to post in the future…

      • Bob Greenyer

        Great – where are you from – would be great to do a shout out to other efforts that are starting up – the more there are and the more they feed into the common learning – the faster we’ll be seeing this gift from the Universe, deliver its promise.

        • LukeDC

          Bob we are located in Australia.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Finally, it would be great to have a replication there.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Should I Stay or Should I Go?

    A walk through of a selection of reactor designs based on the Signal and a deep understanding of the driving process.

    https://youtu.be/zMs2We34jXo

    • Mats002

      Remember: Bob can be right or wrong but the main goal is to put as much information as possible out in the public domain so that this new knowledge can be used for free, ie open sourced.

      The window of making a patent that will stop DIYers is closing rapidly.

      This is a good thing for all of us.

      And I believe that the discussions here at ECW during the years cover a lot of ground, it is searchable.

      To Frank: Do you have a copy of all the texts in DISCUS? Who own those texts? Can DISCUS claim it?

      • Bob Greenyer

        Mats002, this is exactly the purpose, no one entity should have total domain over this technology.

        I don’t care if I am wrong, I care if I am right!

    • Gerard McEk

      What I missed in this video is the reason of AR to use a 3 phase coil.

      Additionally Bob, I assume you have seen the light. In the way you are bringing it to the public is entertaining, but not very effective. Untill now we slowly get little bits of information that we cannot easily correlate, so if you are finished in a month time we need to look at all the videos again, to be able to see the light too. I would prefer that you would publish the essentials on paper, without all kind of distractions.
      No offense to you personally, regards Gerard.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Making a presentation helps me think through various aspects. The theory will come in much clearer and succinct presentations – and they are the most important.

        The first set of videos, which has one more to run, are setting context.

        There will be an address.

        And then the main part of the theory.

        • Gerard McEk

          Thanks, yes explaining things to another helps to bring it to full clarity for yourself. I look forward to your written theory.

    • LukeDC

      Bob good vid and thumbs up for the effort. As an engineer I can appreciate the effort put into the reactor brainstorms. I represent an entity that is not in the replication countries that you mentioned the other day but F9 will have something to post in the future…

      • Bob Greenyer

        Great – where are you from – would be great to do a shout out to other efforts that are starting up – the more there are and the more they feed into the common learning – the faster we’ll be seeing this gift from the Universe, deliver its promise.

        • LukeDC

          Bob we are located in Australia.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Finally, it would be great to have a replication there.

  • pg

    Nevanlinna on Cobraf has found out that between December and January, the various investors in the e-cat have raised around 100 million dollars. This to me is really good news.

    • Ged

      More than enough to fuel construction of a robotizised factory for the E-cat X.

    • Owen Geiger

      More evidence, if we needed any, that Rossi has the real goods. Go Rossi, go.

    • I’ve seen that claim, but I don’t understand the details and teh sources.

      Who invested what and when ?

      I know of Darden 13Mn$ to buy license and launch Industrial Heat
      I know of 50Mn$ of Woodford on two fund in GBP
      http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2073-BIG-Tom-Darden-interviewed-in-Fortune-on-his-LENR-insvestment/?postID=8098#post8098

      but for the rest it is not clear

    • finally Nevanlinna is retracting.
      she seems to claim an accounting problem with 1cent shares (class B) compared to class A shares ar 45$.

    • Warthog

      Well, it is good news as compared to zero, but it barely nudges the meter on the huge (and continuing) money avalanche for hot fusion.

  • pg

    Nevanlinna on Cobraf has found out that between December and January, the various investors in the e-cat have raised around 100 million dollars. This to me is really good news.

    • Ged

      More than enough to fuel construction of a robotizised factory for the E-cat X.

    • Owen Geiger

      More evidence, if we needed any, that Rossi has the real goods. Go Rossi, go.

    • I’ve seen that claim, but I don’t understand the details and teh sources.

      Who invested what and when ?

      I know of Darden 13Mn$ to buy license and launch Industrial Heat
      I know of 50Mn$ of Woodford on two fund in GBP
      http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2073-BIG-Tom-Darden-interviewed-in-Fortune-on-his-LENR-insvestment/?postID=8098#post8098

      but for the rest it is not clear

      EDIT: I’ve seen WPCT own now 2.17% of it’s value as IH shares
      with GBP appreciation, and valuation change, IH shares moved from 49M$ to 53Mn$ in Woodford funds (WPCT and WEIF)

    • finally Nevanlinna is retracting.
      she seems to claim an accounting problem with 1cent shares (class B) compared to class A shares ar 45$.

    • Warthog

      Well, it is good news as compared to zero, but it barely nudges the meter on the huge (and continuing) money avalanche for hot fusion.

  • john

    Long Live Piantelli thanks to him this technology is open source and no one will control it ! And long live to you Bob Greeneyr ! go even further ask someone to investigate more documents and disclosured information the long battle with the law and control groups needs more documents lawyers likes to eat documents and proofs. your videos are fine don’t worry the critics 🙂

    • Brent Buckner

      I’m not sure that “this technology is open souce” – even Piantelli applied for patents.
      c.f. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/30/piantelli-european-patent-revoked/

      • John

        Piantelli tried to protect his ideas when he saw Rossi doing what he was doing, but , Yes Brent, this make americans worried ? Making a Nickel tube and applying hydrogen in it with a hot wire outside is Piantelli’s idea and study and this is what triggered Rossi and Focardi joint-venture and is on the basis of everything else. And the first guy who did it it was Mr. Piantelli, in Italia 1993 in a scientific magazine, we can say that LENR is born in Italy, so, NOT USA ! . This time Americans will not make us eat another Wright Brothers falacy (A Brazilian invented the airplane, his name was Santos Dumont) ! This, no one can take from Piantelli and from us. You can do it , any small company can do it and sell products based on this. All this patent and groups forming around Rossi will simply be challenged all the time First By Asians, Second from the rest of the world and army’s will fight for it if needed. Rossi have 2 years window opportunity to make money, maybe less. He make make apparatus and add other stuff even Vodka on his systems and try to patent it, but the basis ? Is Piantelli property ! And he deserves the Nobel Price. I see IH and Brad Pitt preparing a egg for us to engulf saying Rossi is American and america saves the world, and we have to pay them a bill to use LENR, but this time it will not happen…

        • Brent Buckner

          I’m not sure how you’re conceiving of “open source technology” when you write things like “Piantelli property”.

        • Zephir

          /* He seems like a highly trained scientist */

          I got exactly the opposite opinion from his posts, but anyway – the ability to distinguish publicly available facts from private speculations is what every scientist should handle.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            I’m not a scientist so I cannot really judge his expertise. However, whatever his opinions are, he’s able to substantiate them with either links to theories and experiments or he admits to theorizing and not stating facts. That sounds like a scientific mindset to me. He also provides anyone who asks with more information.

            In the end everyone has to draw his or her own conclusions and mine is that he seems an intelligent and scientific minded individual who’s contributions I enjoy.

        • Warthog

          Methinks you don’t understand how patents work. It may be that the very basic apparatus of Piantelli somehow puts that SPECIFIC device in the public domain (the courts will eventually decide), but modifications to that device such as changes in fuel mix will certainly fall into the “patentable” category and WILL be patented. Rossi is said to have over a hundred patents in the works. I don’t doubt that at all. The approaches outlined in those applications that are accepted will be protected from duplication for sale by others.

          But note that last phrase “….duplication for sale……”. ANY device published in a patent can be duplicated (or duplication attempted) by any individual for their own use, or for reseach.

        • Blue Energy

          Just a couple of notes.

          Santos-Dumont (a Brazilian) flew his first airplane in 1906. In France. The Wright brothers first flew theirs in 1903. Santos-Dumont at that time was already well known for his superior airships, but they were balloons and dirigibles (he didn’t invent those either). By the time Santos-Dumont made his first flight (of 722 feet) the Wright brothers later models had already flown for 24 miles. In 1906 the United States was a relative backwater (like Brazil) compared to France, and Europe in general, on the world stage. As a result, Europeans presumed (perhaps reasonably) that the first airplane flight in Europe must be the first airplane flight – but they were wrong.

          As a bonus, Santos-Dumont didn’t invent the first wristwatch either – that was Cartier.

          http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/12/10/brazil.santosdumont.reut/

          LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) is a euphemism for ‘cold fusion’ which was discovered by Fleischmann and Pons – a Brit and an American – in Utah, USA in 1989. Piantelli and Rossi and all the others came later – and each has added something and patented what they could claim as new knowledge.

          • BillH

            The invention of the watch was surely much earlier, the idea of strapping it to your wrist was hardly a big step forward.

          • Blue Energy

            Actually, since I wrote that I have discovered that the wrist watch pre-dates Cartier by centuries. But, my point was that, for whatever reason, some Brazilians claim the invention of the wristwatch for Santos-Dumont as well. And it’s just not true.

            http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/wristwatches.php

  • john

    Long Live Piantelli thanks to him this technology is open source and no one will control it ! And long live to you Bob Greeneyr ! go even further ask someone to investigate more documents and disclosured information the long battle with the law and control groups needs more documents lawyers likes to eat documents and proofs. your videos are fine don’t worry the critics 🙂

    • Brent Buckner

      I’m not sure that “this technology is open souce” – even Piantelli applied for patents.
      c.f. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/09/30/piantelli-european-patent-revoked/

      • John

        Piantelli tried to protect his ideas when he saw Rossi doing what he was doing, but , Yes Brent, this make americans worried ? Making a Nickel tube and applying hydrogen in it with a hot wire outside is Piantelli’s idea and study and this is what triggered Rossi and Focardi joint-venture and is on the basis of everything else. And the first guy who did it it was Mr. Piantelli, in Italia 1993 in a scientific magazine, we can say that LENR is born in Italy, so, NOT USA ! . This time Americans will not make us eat another Wright Brothers falacy (A Brazilian invented the airplane, his name was Santos Dumont) ! This, no one can take from Piantelli and from us. You can do it , any small company can do it and sell products based on this. All this patent and groups forming around Rossi will simply be challenged all the time First By Asians, Second from the rest of the world and army’s will fight for it if needed. Rossi have 2 years window opportunity to make money, maybe less. He make make apparatus and add other stuff even Vodka on his systems and try to patent it, but the basis ? Is Piantelli property ! And he deserves the Nobel Price. I see IH and Brad Pitt preparing a egg for us to engulf saying Rossi is American and america saves the world, and we have to pay them a bill to use LENR, but this time it will not happen…

        • Brent Buckner

          I’m not sure how you’re conceiving of “open source technology” when you write things like “Piantelli property”.

        • Warthog

          Methinks you don’t understand how patents work. It may be that the very basic apparatus of Piantelli somehow puts that SPECIFIC device in the public domain (the courts will eventually decide), but modifications to that device such as changes in fuel mix will certainly fall into the “patentable” category and WILL be patented. Rossi is said to have over a hundred patents in the works. I don’t doubt that at all. The approaches outlined in those applications that are accepted will be protected from duplication for sale by others.

          But note that last phrase “….duplication for sale……”. ANY device published in a patent can be duplicated (or duplication attempted) by any individual for their own use, or for reseach.

        • Blue Energy

          Just a couple of notes.

          Santos-Dumont (a Brazilian) flew his first airplane in 1906. In France. The Wright brothers first flew theirs in 1903. Santos-Dumont at that time was already well known for his superior airships, but they were balloons and dirigibles (he didn’t invent those either). By the time Santos-Dumont made his first flight (of 722 feet) the Wright brothers later models had already flown for 24 miles. In 1906 the United States was a relative backwater (like Brazil) compared to France, and Europe in general, on the world stage. As a result, Europeans presumed (perhaps reasonably) that the first airplane flight in Europe must be the first airplane flight – but they were wrong.

          As a bonus, Santos-Dumont didn’t invent the first wristwatch either – that was Cartier.

          http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/12/10/brazil.santosdumont.reut/

          LENR (low energy nuclear reaction) is a euphemism for ‘cold fusion’ which was discovered by Fleischmann and Pons – a Brit and an American – in Utah, USA in 1989. Piantelli and Rossi and all the others came later – and each has added something and patented what they could claim as new knowledge.

          • BillH

            The invention of the watch was surely much earlier, the idea of strapping it to your wrist was hardly a big step forward.

          • Blue Energy

            Actually, since I wrote that I have discovered that the wrist watch pre-dates Cartier by centuries. But, my point was that, for whatever reason, some Brazilians claim the invention of the wristwatch for Santos-Dumont as well. And it’s just not true.

            http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/wristwatches.php

  • Andreas Moraitis

    @Bob Greenyer: What is your explanation for the disappearance of 64Ni? Theoretically, it could be transmuted to 65Ni which would then beta decay into 65Cu. But Cu was not found in the Lugano ash, as far as I remember. Maybe the amount was too small (natural abundance of 64Ni is only 0,93%)?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Maybe 64Ni could even go directly to 65Cu. But since 64Ni was detected in the fuel and 65Cu was not detected in the ash one would have to introduce an ad hoc hypothesis, for example that there was a chemical fractionation process which moved the copper away from the fuel, or something like that.

    • Gerard McEk

      Indeed, 64Ni is more ‘heavy’ than 62Ni. If Bob not would have chosen the word ‘heavy’, but instead: ‘Stable’, then that would be more understandable. 62Ni is one of the the atoms with the lowest nuclear mass per nucleon.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Yes, it appears as if he had mixed different things together:

        1. Number of protons (determining the charge of the nucleus).
        2. Number of nucleons and amount of binding energy (both determining the nucleus’ mass).

      • Zephir

        The binding energy curve is very flat, so what the 62Ni should make such a big difference? http://www.mpoweruk.com/images/binding_energy.gif At the peak of binding energy, nickel-62 is the most tightly bound nucleus (per nucleon), followed by iron-58 and iron-56.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I think the point is that 62Ni is the last possible station of any exothermic reaction chain. That’s why it is an end product of the Rossi process. It would not work as a fuel.

          • Obvious

            When it cannot participate as fuel, then it’s ability as a catalyst is more likely to be improved.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Moreover, if the participation of Ni as a reactant were unwanted – maybe because the reaction products would degrade the lattice, as has been stated by Godes (if I recall it correctly) – a catalyst which has been used once could be preprocessed again and might then work even better than the original.

        • Gerard McEk

          Indeed. Bob is still talking riddles. PdD also works. Maybe more expensive, but binding energy can’t be the (only) reason, although he also mentioned that alkali metals should be used, because H- should be formed.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    @Bob Greenyer: What is your explanation for the disappearance of 64Ni? Theoretically, it could be transmuted to 65Ni which would then beta decay into 65Cu. But Cu was not found in the Lugano ash, as far as I remember. Maybe the amount was too small (natural abundance of 64Ni is only 0,93%)?

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Maybe 64Ni could even go directly to 65Cu. But since 64Ni was detected in the fuel and 65Cu was not detected in the ash one would have to introduce an ad hoc hypothesis, for example that there was a chemical fractionation process which moved the copper away from the fuel, or something like that.

    • Gerard McEk

      Indeed, 64Ni is more ‘heavy’ than 62Ni. If Bob not would have chosen the word ‘heavy’, but instead: ‘Stable’, then that would be more understandable. 62Ni is one of the the atoms with the lowest nuclear mass per nucleon.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Yes, it appears as if he had mixed different things together:

        1. Number of protons (determining the charge of the nucleus).
        2. Number of nucleons and amount of binding energy (both determining the nucleus’ mass).

      • Zephir

        The binding energy curve is very flat, so what the 62Ni should make such a big difference? http://www.mpoweruk.com/images/binding_energy.gif At the peak of binding energy, nickel-62 is the most tightly bound nucleus (per nucleon), followed by iron-58 and iron-56.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          I think the point is that 62Ni is the last possible station of any exothermic reaction chain. That’s why it is an end product of the Rossi process. It would not work as a fuel.

          • Obvious

            When it cannot participate as fuel, then it’s ability as a catalyst is more likely to be improved.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Moreover, if the participation of Ni as a reactant were unwanted – maybe because the reaction products would degrade the lattice, as has been stated by Godes (if I recall it correctly) – a catalyst which has been used once could be preprocessed again and might then work even better than the original.

        • Gerard McEk

          Indeed. Bob is still talking riddles. PdD also works. Maybe more expensive, but binding energy can’t be the (only) reason, although he also mentioned that alkali metals should be used, because H- should be formed.

  • Mark S.

    Thanks, but you lost me with this second video. Both are way to long for what they have to say. I will wait for a review when you have completed the series.

  • Mark S.

    Thanks, but you lost me with this second video. Both are way to long for what they have to say. I will wait for a review when you have completed the series.

  • Oystein Lande

    Did I miss something? “why Ni62?” – “because it’s heavy”. And the point of heavyness is…- what?

    • Brent Buckner

      See Andreas Moraitis’s comment below (about 11 hours before your query: “About your Earth-Saturn example: I guess you did not actually refer to
      gravity, is that correct? Maybe you meant the Coulomb attraction between
      the Ni nucleus and the hydride ion?”), and Bob Grenyer’s reply.

      • Zeddicus23

        The Coulomb attraction between the negatively charge hydride ion and the Ni nucleus is NOT affected by the number of neutrons (“heaviness”) since neutrons are neutral. However, it is conceivable that extra neutrons (again “heaviness”) could allow a positively charged particle (such as a bare proton or the proton of a H atom or ion) to get somewhat closer to the nucleus, before being repelled by Coulomb repulsion. Getting back to “heaviness”, the extra few neutrons for Ni62 compared to Ni58 or other isotopes is relatively negligible in terms of mass, so I do not understand why Bob Greenyer is talking about heaviness in the first video (I haven’t yet watched the 2nd video). Furthermore, if he is referring to binding energy the effect of this on mass is relatively small and inversely proportional to heaviness, e.g. increased binding energy leads to reduced mass using the equation E = mc^2.

        • Brent Buckner

          Elsewhere there have been references to the importance of Ni62 having the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          „The Coulomb attraction between the negatively charge hydride ion and the Ni nucleus is NOT affected by the number of neutrons (“heaviness”) since neutrons are neutral.“

          That’s correct. Bob has said that his intention was to simplify things for an audience that is not so familiar with the basic concepts of physics. Actually, he did no refer to the mass but to the charge of the nucleus in this particular case.

  • Oystein Lande

    Did I miss something? “why Ni62?” – “because it’s heavy”. And the point of heaviness is…- what?

    • Brent Buckner

      See Andreas Moraitis’s comment below (about 11 hours before your query: “About your Earth-Saturn example: I guess you did not actually refer to
      gravity, is that correct? Maybe you meant the Coulomb attraction between
      the Ni nucleus and the hydride ion?”), and Bob Grenyer’s reply.

      • Zeddicus23

        The Coulomb attraction between the negatively charge hydride ion and the Ni nucleus is NOT affected by the number of neutrons (“heaviness”) since neutrons are neutral. However, it is conceivable that extra neutrons (again “heaviness”) could allow a positively charged particle (such as a bare proton or the proton of a H atom or ion) to get somewhat closer to the nucleus, before being repelled by Coulomb repulsion. Getting back to “heaviness”, the extra few neutrons for Ni62 compared to Ni58 or other isotopes is relatively negligible in terms of mass, so I do not understand why Bob Greenyer is talking about heaviness in the first video (I haven’t yet watched the 2nd video). Furthermore, if he is referring to binding energy the effect of this on mass is relatively small and inversely proportional to heaviness, e.g. increased binding energy leads to reduced mass using the equation E = mc^2.

        • Brent Buckner

          Elsewhere there have been references to the importance of Ni62 having the highest binding energy per nucleon of any known nuclide.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          „The Coulomb attraction between the negatively charge hydride ion and the Ni nucleus is NOT affected by the number of neutrons (“heaviness”) since neutrons are neutral.“

          That’s correct. Bob has said that his intention was to simplify things for an audience that is not so familiar with the basic concepts of physics. Actually, he did no refer to the mass but to the charge of the nucleus in this particular case.

    • Dods

      So when all this is made into films (thinking at minimum a trilogy here). He can play himself it being a late appearance.

  • It looks like Brad Pitt is one of the investors of Darden’s, Antonio LaGatta’s and John T Vaughn’s new LENR R&D company:

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2838-Antonio-LaGatta-and-John-T-Vaughn-have-incorporated-HMRI-R-D-Inc-in-North-Caroli/?postID=14672#post14672

    • Dods

      So when all this is made into films (thinking at minimum a trilogy here). He can play himself it being a late appearance.

      Being on the right side of karma though he should be sponsoring the MFMP.

  • Stephen

    Just watched the 2nd video. Wow lots to think about. My head is buzzing with possible applications. Bob could it radiate some of the THz radiation? If so could the THz signal be modulated in such a way that it could be used as a transmitter and receiver to allow THz communications? Perhaps THz and X-rays could be used for sensors or imagers in medical or geophysical appliances etc?

    Talking about Dr Who: Bob are you sure the hand held device you showed near the end was not your sonic screwdriver?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Stephen, I think there is a whole blue ocean of opportunity with this new technology. Whilst some people were marvelling or ridiculing the claims of Rossi to be writing something like 150 patents, I was just thinking – naturally, because once you know – it enables new solutions for so much.

      I can’t say your ideas would pan out – but, there are such things as photon filters, I have some on my camera lense – can they be switched on and off to modulate output – quite possibly. The most important thing is you are thinking – keep putting out those ideas in the public domain so that they are free to develop.

      You notice the sonic screwdriver? Dammit, I though that might have got through unnoticed.

      • Warthog

        St. Vidicon of Cathode (sci-fi reference). The emblem of the monks of St. Vidicon was a yellow-handled pocket screwdriver. Patron saint of techies. Enemy of the demon Murphy.

        Also…”…the perversity of the inanimate….”

  • Warthog

    I have to agree with “fact police”. Video is terribly inefficient compared to a written article/summary. I read VERY fast, and to be limited to the SSLLOOOWWW pace of the typical video is horribly frustrating. Far better to do a writeup (or transcript).

  • Zeddicus23

    I strongly support the efforts of MFMP and hope they are able to replicate and make additional progress. However, this first video really has me really confused and even questioning their understanding of basic physics. Bob Greenyer seems to be completely confused between the effects of gravity (which is negligible), inertial mass (which again is only slightly affected by the number of neutrons, and Coulomb repulsion (which is related to charge). To be honest this video looks like a perfect example of crackpot science, and is likely to have a significantly negative effect on the credibility of MFMP. Can anyone explain what he is talking about?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi there,

      This 62Ni video is not meant for physicists just like the Bohr model of the atom (which is taught everywhere on earth) is next to useless for understanding how this phenomenon works – but the Bohr model does work to help basic understanding in chemistryand so is therefore NOT called crackpot science.

      Did I mention gravity in the video once? Ok, I said “Heavy” which implies weight which is derived from mass in the presence of gravity, yes. OK, so I did not say Mass, or Density in the main feel part of the video – because you start to loose people with these terms. I did say Mass number when referring to the periodic table.

      After I published this video, Mats Lewan wrote to me and said Rossi had said this

      “In my book Rossi speaks about the natural choice of nickel and hydrogen as the (heavy) anvil and the (light and fast) hammer. As the idea that guided him.”

      Brackets added by Mats.

      You have to remember I am a volunteer that is not good at accepting “It can’t be done because I say so” dictums. I am a graphic designer with a passion for science, the environment and social justice – I am not a tenured physicist.

      No doubt you can produce a video that gets the message across more correctly

      • toussaint françois

        Great video ! bob, passion gives you an overview of things, you are on the right track !

        Cheers

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks

      • Ted-X

        Bob,
        Keep going with your excellent work.

      • Appleby

        Bob, please keep your videos in the same simple format. I’d be willing to bet that I am not the only one following you that only has a high school degree.

        I also appreciate the quick distribution of information.

        Again THANKS!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks appleby – it is a torturous process to try and think what needs to be said but keep it understandable. In nearly every case, when there is no battery failure or interruption, the videos are recorded in one take and are completely unscripted so if they make any kind of sense it is a good start – there will be time later to finesse.

          Thanks of your support and for joining the MFMP on this journey

  • Zeddicus23

    I strongly support the efforts of MFMP and hope they are able to replicate and make additional progress. However, this first video really has me really confused and even questioning their understanding of basic physics. Bob Greenyer seems to be completely confused between the effects of gravity (which is negligible), inertial mass (which again is only slightly affected by the number of neutrons, and Coulomb repulsion (which is related to charge). To be honest this video looks like a perfect example of crackpot science, and is likely to have a significantly negative effect on the credibility of MFMP. Can anyone explain what he is talking about?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi there,

      This 62Ni video is not meant for physicists just like the Bohr model of the atom (which is taught everywhere on earth) is next to useless for understanding how this phenomenon works, as you will see – but the Bohr model does work to help basic understanding in chemistry and so is therefore NOT called crackpot science.

      Did I mention gravity in the video once? Ok, I said “Heavy” which implies weight which is derived from mass in the presence of gravity, yes. OK, so I did not say Mass, or Density in the main feel part of the video – because you start to loose people with these terms. I did say Mass number when referring to the periodic table.

      After I published this video, Mats Lewan wrote to me and said Rossi had said this

      “In my book Rossi speaks about the natural choice of nickel and hydrogen as the (heavy) anvil and the (light and fast) hammer. As the idea that guided him.”

      Brackets added by Mats.

      You have to remember I am a volunteer that is not good at accepting “It can’t be done because I say so” dictums. I am a graphic designer with a passion for science, the environment and social justice – I am not a tenured physicist.

      No doubt you can produce a video that gets the message across more correctly

      • toussaint françois

        Great video ! bob, passion gives you an overview of things, you are on the right track !

        Cheers

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks

          • Neil Clark

            Bob, keep up the good work! I’ve been following the coverage on this site for the last year with a sort need to go back to learn basic physics sort of air about me. The videos are enthusiastic and informative I can’t help but be caught up in your passion for this. I’ve sat on the fence for a while with the traditional if something looks to good to be true attitude but the information that has been put out recently along with the “mostly” balanced discussion has won me over completely. The nay sayers will come round eventually. Keep yer chin up.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks, means a lot.

            I hope you will see with the same clarity how it all fits when I get through this.

      • Ted-X

        Bob,
        Keep going with your excellent work.

      • Appleby

        Bob, please keep your videos in the same simple format. I’d be willing to bet that I am not the only one following you that only has a high school degree.

        I also appreciate the quick distribution of information.

        Again THANKS!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks appleby – it is a torturous process to try and think what needs to be said but keep it understandable. In nearly every case, when there is no battery failure or interruption, the videos are recorded in one take and are completely unscripted so if they make any kind of sense it is a good start – there will be time later to finesse.

          Thanks of your support and for joining the MFMP on this journey

      • Byron McDonald

        Hey Bob – contact the TED talk people now! They will eat this up IMO. And, it will take some time to line things up for the main stage. Then you can bring in the pros for some work on the presentation. Ther are also many regional and continental TED talks

        • Bob Greenyer

          I want you guys to have it first.

  • Stephen

    I wonder if it could be used to power and perhaps as active components in the concept laser 3D printer equipment used to manufacture them?

    In terms of manufacture maybe a number of devices can be used in very localised conditions and tuned to certain specific uses at particular places along a production line such as temperature for thermal deposition, photo lithography, light/laser for etching etc. Perhaps a single device controlled by a robot arm could do all things following a timeline to schedule particular effects.

    Could one of these devices be fully manufactured using the capabilities of this device? Along with basic hardware and software to control the process?

    What kind of COP would this be if even the manufacturer of the device itself was made using its inherent capabilities?

  • Stephen

    I wonder if it could be used to power and perhaps as active components in the concept laser 3D printer equipment used to manufacture them?

    In terms of manufacture maybe a number of perhaps very small devices can be used in very localised conditions and tuned to certain specific uses at particular places along a production line such as temperature for thermal deposition, photo lithography, light/laser for etching etc. Perhaps a single device controlled by a robot arm could do all things following a timeline to schedule particular effects.

    Could one of these devices be fully manufactured using the capabilities of this device? Along with basic hardware and software to control the process?

    What kind of COP would this be if even the manufacture of the device itself was made using its inherent capabilities?

    Perhaps the only cost then would be the raw materials and basic equipment.

    Maybe even the raw materials can be extracted cleanly and cost effectively from waste in another machine using the capabilities of this device.

    It could certainly take home 3D printing to the next level.

    Maybe that Aga we talked about a few months ago will also be able to make a new pair of shoes 🙂

    Imagine how useful that would be where it is needed.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks, means a lot.

    I hope you will see with the same clarity how it all fits when I get through this.

  • Stephen

    Would highly hydrogenated materials themselves act a particle shield for neutrons for example or is there a risk of undesirable products such as tritium?

    I suppose if no neutrons are produced then that risk drops to zero though.

    I suppose the large number of nuclei would also increase the effectiveness of bremstrahlung on charged particles.

    It would be great if it could attenuate the gamma too but I suppose the electron density and plasma frequency would be too low? (I guess the electron density would need to be 1000000 times stronger to move the plasma frequency in metals from UV wavelengths to X Ray wave lengths. Can RHM or UDH can achieve this I wonder?

    I understand Axil’s has a process in mind, however, where SPP generated on stimulated hydrogenated metals can absorb the gamma. And maybe even generate heat without the need for lead or tungsten. If so then may be the shielding is not required for safety but just hydrogenated material. That in itself would be a remarkable discovery.

  • Stephen

    Would highly hydrogenated materials themselves act a particle shield for neutrons for example or is there a risk of undesirable products such as tritium?

    I suppose if no neutrons are produced then that risk drops to zero though.

    I suppose the large number of nuclei would also increase the effectiveness of bremstrahlung on charged particles.

    It would be great if it could attenuate the gamma too but I suppose the electron density and plasma frequency would be too low? (I guess the electron density would need to be 1000000 times stronger to move the plasma frequency in metals from UV wavelengths to X Ray wave lengths. Can RHM or UDH achieve this electron density I wonder?

    I understand Axil’s has a process in mind, however, where SPP generated on stimulated hydrogenated metals can absorb the gamma. And maybe even generate heat without the need for lead or tungsten? If so then may be the shielding is not required for safety but just hydrogenated material. That in itself would be a remarkable discovery.

  • Zephir

    It seems, many of you got impressed with video – so can someone explain by his own words here, why 62Ni is good for cold fusion? Or is everyone just pretending that the king is not naked?

    • nietsnie

      No – I watched both and got little. I have a lot of respect for Bob, but I suspect that the videos will not accomplish for him what he hopes – at least with the audience he’s hoping to reach. For me, at least, more linearity and presentation preparation would be helpful – and a narrower focus on the guts of the subject. Less goofy humor and politics might make him seem less ‘mad professor’ to those who don’t already know him. And I thought at points he glossed over science that won’t be immediately obvious to his intended audience. As you say, though, others seem to have gotten more out of them so I’ve thought that maybe it was just me. Good for you for speaking up. Getting this right is pretty important.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will fill in the gaps, but I want to bring people through the process of understanding and making the videos helps me to think about what is the right aspect to focus on next – because it is so much information to get out.

        My mind is pretty non-linear, I call it a blessing, If I went away for a few months sure I’d come up with something that was succinct, but I think it is important that more people get there faster that can – I cannot please everyone whatever I do, so I’ll just be me.

        • nietsnie

          Well, you did not ask for either my opinion or my help – so I’m already out of line. But, it is important that you know the truth. You do not benefit from people slapping you on the shoulder only out of respect. So, I give you this little bit of truth and ask for forgiveness.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You know, when I used to do amateur dramatics – I always preferred and encourage constructive criticism over unadulterated sycophancy – because I could learn from the former.

          • nietsnie

            I had hoped that was the case. I also appreciate straight shooting.

  • Zephir

    It seems, many of you got impressed with video – so can someone explain by his own words here, why 62Ni is good for cold fusion? Or is everyone just pretending that the king is not naked?

    • nietsnie

      No – I watched both and got little. I have a lot of respect for Bob, but I suspect that the videos will not accomplish for him what he hopes – at least with the audience he’s hoping to reach. For me, at least, more linearity and presentation preparation would be helpful – and a narrower focus on the guts of the subject. Less goofy humor and politics might make him seem less ‘mad professor’ to those who don’t already know him. And I thought at points he glossed over science that won’t be immediately obvious to his intended audience. As you say, though, others seem to have gotten more out of them so I’ve thought that maybe it was just me. Good for you for speaking up. Getting this right is pretty important.

      • Bob Greenyer

        I will fill in the gaps, but I want to bring people through the process of understanding and making the videos helps me to think about what is the right aspect to focus on next – because it is so much information to get out.

        My mind is pretty non-linear, I call it a blessing, If I went away for a few months sure I’d come up with something that was succinct, but I think it is important that more people get there faster that can – I cannot please everyone whatever I do, so I’ll just be me.

        • nietsnie

          Well, you did not ask for either my opinion or my help – so I’m already out of line. But, it is important that you know the truth. You do not benefit from people slapping you on the shoulder only out of respect. So, I give you this little bit of truth and ask for forgiveness.

          • Bob Greenyer

            You know, when I used to do amateur dramatics – I always preferred and encourage constructive criticism over unadulterated sycophancy – because I could learn from the former.

          • nietsnie

            I had hoped that was the case. I also appreciate straight shooting.

    • Barbara Samson

      Bob says that videos are coming that will further explain the physics here. What I get so far is that “nickel-62 is the most tightly bound nucleus in terms of energy of binding per nucleon” (from Wikipedia entry on Nuclear Binding Energy). I imagine that this gives 62Ni the greatest potential to overcome the Coulomb barrier, although it is possible the explanation will take us in a different direction. I cannot wait to hear the rest of the story unfold. @Zephir I hope that you and I both will have a better understanding of why 62Ni is good for cold fusion once we have watched the rest of Bob’s videos. And Bob, thanks for all the good work you have put into this so far. I love the goofiness and humour and enthusiasm of your Citizen Science.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Hi Barbara,

        At the end of the public videos – I will host a Live Hangout Q&A where people can ask free form questions – I will answer as possible.

        62Ni will, in my understanding result in more aneutronic fusion

        • Barbara Samson

          Aneutronic fusion: another term for me to learn about!

          There has been some question on here about who these videos are aimed at, since they’re not rigorous enough to please the scientists and perhaps too much for regular folk. I feel like they’re aimed at me. My physics and chemistry classes ended in Grade 12 many years ago, but I have enough background to learn from on-line resources. I have been following E-catworld since the Lugano report and struggling at times to understand the theories tossed around in comments. This is really bringing it all together, so thanks again.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No Probs.

            Aneutronic fusion is the good kind – it doesn’t use Neutrons… moreover, the 1H + 7Li is the first predicted fusion reaction 1928.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Simpler fuel – circumventing Rossi patent?

    Pre-process Nickel + add AB5 HydroStik + Passivated Lithium or other Alkaline metal such as Rubidium / Ceasium , maybe add Al powder.

    http://fuelcellstore.com/horizon-hydrostik-pro-fch-020

    Would need to pre-load Hydrostik then freeze in Liquid nitrogen or maybe solid CO2 to take apart and add to reactor… or can take out and load under 40bar.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Simpler fuel – circumventing Rossi patent?

    Pre-process Nickel + add AB5 HydroStik + Passivated Lithium or other Alkaline metal such as Rubidium / Ceasium , maybe add Al powder.

    http://fuelcellstore.com/horizon-hydrostik-pro-fch-020

    Would need to pre-load Hydrostik then freeze in Liquid nitrogen or maybe solid CO2 to take apart and add to reactor… or can take out and load under 40bar.

  • e-dog

    Hey Bob,
    Do you think you could get some of your graphic design skills onto explaining the process? I think you are doing a great job by the way!!! Love the videos.
    I would really love to see some graphic representations of what you guys think is happening here.. I mean something slick… claymation? some white board animation? CGI? .. actually claymation would be awesome but could take a while… I know you are trying your damndest to explain what you have discovered and uncovered using cooking and music analogies so far. Claymation! … forget that for now..
    Everyone learns the same things in little different ways.

    I would like to see some step by step drawings/sketches on butchers paper to start with on what you think is happening.

    • Bob Greenyer

      In time, I will do it with voxels and volumetric in procedurals – it’ll look like you are right in there with everything as it happens.

      That will take a lot of time and effort.

      • e-dog

        Cheers Bob!
        no claymation????….. oh well!

        Yep, lots of time and effort. Wish I could help with the voxels and volumetrics in procedurals!!! Now, Im going to have to google those terms up!!!

        Oh…..
        I know how to make playdoh….

        Anyway, keep those videos coming! Im happy with the hand waving!!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Video encoding now.

  • e-dog

    Hey Bob,
    Do you think you could get some of your graphic design skills onto explaining the process? I think you are doing a great job by the way!!! Love the videos.
    I would really love to see some graphic representations of what you guys think is happening here.. I mean something slick… claymation? some white board animation? CGI? .. actually claymation would be awesome but could take a while… I know you are trying your damndest to explain what you have discovered and uncovered using cooking and music analogies so far. Claymation! … forget that for now..
    Everyone learns the same things in little different ways.

    I would like to see some step by step drawings/sketches on butchers paper to start with on what you think is happening.

    • Bob Greenyer

      In time, I will do it with voxels and volumetric in procedurals – it’ll look like you are right in there with everything as it happens.

      That will take a lot of time and effort.

      • e-dog

        Cheers Bob!
        no claymation????….. oh well!

        Yep, lots of time and effort. Wish I could help with the voxels and volumetrics in procedurals!!! Now, Im going to have to google those terms up!!!

        Oh…..
        I know how to make playdoh….

        Anyway, keep those videos coming! Im happy with the hand waving!!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Video encoding now.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Hi Barbara,

    At the end of the public videos – I will host a Live Hangout Q&A where people can ask free form questions – I will answer as possible.

    62Ni will, in my understanding result in more aneutronic fusion

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I will try to summarize the points I made below since there are apparently still some misunderstandings.

    1. In Piantelli’s theory, the reaction occurs between the hydride ion (H-) and the nickel nucleus. Since the hydride ion has a negative charge and the target nucleus a positive one, they attract each other. The higher the attractive force, the higher the probability that they will come close enough together so that they can eventually fuse (to simplify a bit). Nickel nuclei have 28 protons, and therefore 28 positive charges. That’s why they attract the hydride ion more effectively than nuclei with fewer protons – that is, most ‘lighter’ nuclei – would do.

    2. The energy that can be gained from nuclear fusion depends on the difference between the binding energy of the reaction product and the binding energies of the reactants. Since 62Ni is the isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon, it could release no energy if it would undergo further fusion reactions. (The binding energy is actually “missing energy”, although it is usually expressed in positive numbers.) Therefore, 62Ni is the endpoint of the reaction chain in the E-Cat and gets finally enriched in the ash.

    Bob used his gravity example as an analogy to explain point #1. Actually, he did not refer to mass and gravitational force but to charge and the electrostatic Coulomb force. That analogy was thought to facilitate understanding for some people, but obviously it has confused many others (including myself).

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good summary, The 62Ni plays a more critical role in the main energy yield from the reactor, that of aneutronic fusion of 7Li and that is why it is desirable in the fuel.

      A question for you, which of these is a boson and which is a fermion

      1. H-
      2. D-

      • Andreas Moraitis

        All I can say is this (F = fermion, B = boson):

        p (1H+) => F
        d (2H/D+) => B

        1H => B
        2H/D => F

        No idea about the anions.

        The energy yield is indeed an interesting additional aspect. Although if its fusion there will be enough energy anyway.

    • e-dog

      Perovskite structures*1 are well known in the form of oxides. Perovskite-type oxides with various physical properties and functions, such as superconductivity, ferroelectricity, and ionic conductivity, have been synthesized and utilized as practical materials such as piezoelectric devices. Similarly, perovskite-type hydrides,*2 in which oxygen atoms of perovskite-type oxides are replaced with hydrogen atoms, are expected to have various physical properties and functions in addition to hydrogen storage; however, few perovskite-type hydrides have been successfully synthesized thus far. Perovskite-type hydrides have been synthesized by mechanochemical processing,*3 the formation process of which remains unclear because it is difficult to observe the process. Hence the development of perovskite-type hydrides has been at a standstill.

      The research group succeeded in synthesizing a new perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3 based on the predictions obtained by first-principles calculations.*4 A powder mixture of lithium hydride (LiH) and nickel (Ni) was hydrogenated using high-temperature and high-pressure hydrogen fluid to synthesize a perovskite-type hydride with high crystallinity as a sintered body. The process of hydrogenation under high temperature and high pressure was observed by time-resolved X-ray diffraction*5 using the high-brilliance synchrotron X-rays to clarify the formation process of the perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3. The diffraction profiles showed that the perovskite-type hydride was formed not directly from the hydrogenation of LiH and Ni but through a three-step reaction: (I) the formation of nickel hydride (NiH), (II) the formation of a solid solution*6 of LiH and NiH (LiyNi1-yH), and (III) the formation of the perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3 induced by the absorption of hydrogen by the solid solution. Also, it was found that the formed solid solution, LiyNi1-yH, played the role of the precursor in the perovskite formation.

      • e-dog
        • e-dog
          • Ecco

            http://scitation.aip.org.sci-hub.io/content/aip/journal/apl/102/9/10.1063/1.4794067

            A mixture of LiH and Ni was hydrogenated at 873 K and 3 GPa […]

            3 GPa = 30000 bar

          • e-dog

            yep… thats a fair bit of pressure!
            little bit more than inside most of the reactors…

            just thinking about alloys and back to my high school metallurgy course.. of the millions of atoms inside the reactor and the millions of interactions between the elements, a very very small percentage could wind up in this particular hydride format? and of those could the H atoms be close enough and excited enough to interact with Ni62?

            Hey ecco is there anyway to figure approx out how many moles of Ni/H were needed to give off the energy observed by the MFMP data?

          • Ecco

            It’s possible that a small fraction might have formed this particular hydride, but I’m not sure about its relevance to the reaction. I’m not able to readily answer about the other calculation other than stating the obvious by writing that there’s probably a way. It would be probably best to think about it once significant apparent excess heat is observed.

          • e-dog

            Cheers! Thanks for the reply

          • Axil Axil

            What makes me believe that the Mills SunCell is a cavitation based system is the degree that his electrodes were pitted, Mills had to go with a liquid electrode system to get around the solid electrode degradation problem.

            His system also requires water to work.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is basically an arc – you’ll get pits

          • Axil Axil

            Piantelli does not get pits in his nickel bars. Why not. Those Mills electrodes is very tough tungsten. If the two reactions were the same, then the Mills system would not need an electric arc to work.

          • Mats002

            I just saw your theory ‘all info about LENR is true’ go out the window!

          • Axil Axil

            I suspect that Mills is hiding some experimental data that undercuts his hydrino theory.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is not a conspiracy – Piantelli theory is based on known and accepted physics – that is why he got it passed in his patent.

            Piantellis active zone is a complete mess – totally fragmented and fractured, at least the ones he let us handle.

            I have used a welding plant, low voltage ultra high current arcs cause pits, they do, and that is what happens.

          • Mats002

            Mills active zone maybe?

          • Axil Axil

            Mills active zone is a plasma. But that is another reason why the Mills system is different from the Piantelli system.

          • Mats002

            TWO wonders, Ms and Ps? You have invested heavily in ONE!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Axil, if you write a million posts, it still does not change the fact that Mills’ own claimed mechanism (at least the part he makes clear) – that is in the recent technical presentation IS basically the same as an aspect of Piantelli’s which you don’t even know – it is bizarre that you could search for literally anything to push them apart – we started with fictitious extra sapphire and fluorine based crystals – then it was tungsten pitting – then water… which has Hydrogen, then Plasma – look at slide 12 in Mills’ presentation and then wait until I can find time to adequately explain that aspect of Piantelli’s experimentally derived understanding.

            It is not personal – I have literally nothing to gain from sharing the understanding… when it is out there, and people are able to make informed decisions on the basis of it – propose an alternative that makes their life easier right, because no one enjoys wasting life and living a lie.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills needs to open the door in a slightly different way to Rossi which is different to Piantelli – but it is all the same door.

            Mills is using brute force to open the door that brute force is an arc. The choice of a higher mass number transition metal than Nickel (Ag) will skew his output to more high energy photons from one part of the process.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            „Mills needs to open the door in a slightly different way to Rossi which is different to Piantelli – but it is all the same door.“

            I am sure that Mills would disagree, at least as long as you uphold Piantelli’s claims. The type of reactions that Mills postulates is not nuclear. However, speculating about a connection between Mills’ and Piantelli’s theories may lead to interesting questions. For example: Imagine a hydride ion that forms a quasi-atomic system together with a proton – in what way would that system resemble a hydrino?

          • psi2u2

            There’s a thought.

          • e-dog

            I was just thinking that if these Ni/Li hydride crystals form up in side a reactor that has the goldilocks requirements (ratios, structure and temp) between all the elements. Could the H nucleus be sitting in just that right location where it is being pushed or pulled just the right amount by the Ni62 nucleus and the Li nucleus that one in a million fuses with something, that releases a bit of radiation and maybe starts a bit of a landslide among those similar crystals around it?

            Oops my wine is getting low!

      • nietsnie
        • e-dog

          I should have put the link, thanks

  • Andreas Moraitis

    I will try to summarize the points I made below since there are apparently still some misunderstandings.

    1. In Piantelli’s theory, the reaction occurs between the hydride ion (H-) and the nickel nucleus. Since the hydride ion has a negative charge and the target nucleus a positive one, they attract each other. The higher the attractive force, the higher the probability that they will come close enough together so that they can eventually fuse (to simplify a bit). Nickel nuclei have 28 protons, and therefore 28 positive charges. That’s why they attract the hydride ion more effectively than nuclei with fewer protons – that is, most ‘lighter’ nuclei – would do.

    2. The energy that can be gained from nuclear fusion depends on the difference between the binding energy of the reaction product and the binding energies of the reactants. Since 62Ni is the isotope with the highest binding energy per nucleon, it could release no energy if it would undergo further fusion reactions. (The binding energy is actually “missing energy”, although it is usually expressed in positive numbers.) Therefore, 62Ni is the endpoint of the reaction chain in the E-Cat and gets finally enriched in the ash.

    Bob used his gravity example as an analogy to explain point #1. Actually, he did not refer to mass and gravitational force but to charge and the electrostatic Coulomb force. That analogy was thought to facilitate understanding for some people, but obviously it has confused many others (including myself).

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good summary, The 62Ni plays a more critical role in the main energy yield from the reactor, that of aneutronic fusion of 7Li and that is why it is ultimately desirable in the fuel.

      A question for you, which of these is a boson and which is a fermion

      1. H-
      2. D-

      • Andreas Moraitis

        All I can say is this (F = fermion, B = boson):

        p (1H+) => F
        d (2H/D+) => B

        1H => B
        2H/D => F

        No idea about the anions.

        The energy yield is indeed an interesting additional aspect. Although if its fusion there will be enough energy anyway.

    • e-dog

      Perovskite structures*1 are well known in the form of oxides. Perovskite-type oxides with various physical properties and functions, such as superconductivity, ferroelectricity, and ionic conductivity, have been synthesized and utilized as practical materials such as piezoelectric devices. Similarly, perovskite-type hydrides,*2 in which oxygen atoms of perovskite-type oxides are replaced with hydrogen atoms, are expected to have various physical properties and functions in addition to hydrogen storage; however, few perovskite-type hydrides have been successfully synthesized thus far. Perovskite-type hydrides have been synthesized by mechanochemical processing,*3 the formation process of which remains unclear because it is difficult to observe the process. Hence the development of perovskite-type hydrides has been at a standstill.

      The research group succeeded in synthesizing a new perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3 based on the predictions obtained by first-principles calculations.*4 A powder mixture of lithium hydride (LiH) and nickel (Ni) was hydrogenated using high-temperature and high-pressure hydrogen fluid to synthesize a perovskite-type hydride with high crystallinity as a sintered body. The process of hydrogenation under high temperature and high pressure was observed by time-resolved X-ray diffraction*5 using the high-brilliance synchrotron X-rays to clarify the formation process of the perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3. The diffraction profiles showed that the perovskite-type hydride was formed not directly from the hydrogenation of LiH and Ni but through a three-step reaction: (I) the formation of nickel hydride (NiH), (II) the formation of a solid solution*6 of LiH and NiH (LiyNi1-yH), and (III) the formation of the perovskite-type hydride LiNiH3 induced by the absorption of hydrogen by the solid solution. Also, it was found that the formed solid solution, LiyNi1-yH, played the role of the precursor in the perovskite formation.

      • e-dog
        • e-dog
          • Ecco

            http://scitation.aip.org.sci-hub.io/content/aip/journal/apl/102/9/10.1063/1.4794067

            A mixture of LiH and Ni was hydrogenated at 873 K and 3 GPa […]

            3 GPa = 30000 bar

          • e-dog

            yep… thats a fair bit of pressure!
            little bit more than inside most of the reactors…

            just thinking about alloys and back to my high school metallurgy course.. of the millions of atoms inside the reactor and the millions of interactions between the elements, a very very small percentage could wind up in this particular hydride format? and of those could the H atoms be close enough and excited enough to interact with Ni62?

            Hey ecco is there anyway to figure approx out how many moles of Ni/H were needed to give off the energy observed by the MFMP data?

          • Ecco

            It’s possible that a small fraction might have formed this particular hydride, but I’m not sure about its relevance to the reaction. I’m not able to readily answer about the other calculation other than stating the obvious by writing that there’s probably a way. It would be probably best to think about it once significant apparent excess heat is observed.

          • e-dog

            Cheers! Thanks for the reply

          • e-dog

            I was just thinking that if these Ni/Li hydride crystals form up in side a reactor that has the goldilocks requirements (ratios, structure and temp) between all the elements. Could the H nucleus be sitting in just that right location where it is being pushed or pulled just the right amount by the Ni62 nucleus and the Li nucleus that one in a million fuses with something, that releases a bit of radiation and maybe starts a bit of a landslide among those similar crystals around it?

            Oops my wine is getting low!

      • nietsnie
        • e-dog

          I should have put the link, thanks

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob a quick question.
    Are Holmlids results implicated somehow in your analysis too?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have a potential explanation for their observations – I’ll throw is out there, but I am doing some checking right now.

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob a quick question.
    Are Holmlids results implicated somehow in your analysis too?

    • Bob Greenyer

      I have a potential explanation for their observations – I’ll throw is out there, but I am doing some checking right now.

  • Bob Greenyer

    No Probs.

    Aneutronic fusion is the good kind – it doesn’t use Neutrons… moreover, the 1H + 7Li is the first predicted fusion reaction 1928.

  • Bob Greenyer

    I want you guys to have it first.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Implications of Signal 2, Seeing into the SunCell with X-Ray Eyes

    https://youtu.be/9jdEXoFmYVo

    • e-dog

      Cool

      • Bob Greenyer

        No real fusion here in suncell… more like capture/conversion of mass/momentum from electrons

    • Axil Axil

      You might need to view the SunCell demo again a time or two and pay attention.

      When I viewed to the SenCell presentation, it surprised me that a chemical in crystal form was used to downshift the XUV into the visible range using a sapphire or similar window. The SunCell must produce XUV as the primary EMF emission. See demo at 47:00. This optical conversion crystal might have been coated on the doom. silver does not down convert the XUV. Mills can use copper, tungsten instead of silver.

      The SunCell is a cavitation system that requires water. Hydrogen is optional in addition to water. The water crystal is formed that produces the LENR effect.

      There is no SunCell theory connection to the piantelli theory.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Axil Axil, I am unsure what you are referring to, at one point Mills is talking about equipment limitations for measuring photon energies – at that point he refers to “Sapphire or fluoride compound window” – but this is NOTHING whatsoever to do with the reaction. For your own sake, you should probably retract this incorrect statement presented as fact.

        Given that you got you understanding of the presentation wrong – on what basis can you make such a certain statement as “There is no SunCell theory connection to the piantelli theory, IMHO.” – and what do you know of the part of Piantelli theory that is close to Mills description of his process?

        This is not about opinions, it is about Nature and what it does.

        • Axil Axil

          The SunCell uses the tungsten dome to downshift the XUV produced by the Mills reaction to black body radiation of 3500C, The PV is covered with a sapphire window.

          The SunCell requires water to work. It is a cavitation system. Piantelli’s system is not a cavitation system. Hydrogen is supplemental to water only.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As I say in my video – any residual high energy photons are caught by the Tungsten and converted to BB.

            Earlier in the presentation – he plays a gravity fed reactor and there is a live demo – in both cases there is no tungsten between the reactants and the camera and in both cases mills says that the reactants get hot enough and then they start converting the high energy photons to lower, more numerous, visible ones, and the only thing in there is H2 and Ag.

          • Axil Axil

            He uses silver because water covers molten silver ideally. Mills found that water works far better they solid hydrides.

            The SunCell looks like a sonoluminescence based plasma system.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_of_sonoluminescence

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills says it is a change in the state of Hydrogen, so does Piantelli (at least in part) no fusion.

          • Axil Axil

            Piantelli does not use water in his reaction.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What has that got to do with Mills energy coming only from interaction of Hydrogen with a transition metal?

          • Axil Axil

            Piantelli must remove all oxygen from his transition metal before his reaction will work.

            Mills needs oxygen for his reaction to work.

            That is one difference.

          • Ecco

            If Piantelli says that Mills is the closest to being right, does this mean he believes that a shrunken form of Hydrogen exists? Is Piantelli’s H- a shrunken Hydrogen atom?

          • Mats002

            Good question, I can’t see how those two theories can be the same at the level of detail they are described.

            It could though be one common underlying phenomena like Axils monopole that is the root to LENR, but neither Mills nor Piantelli talk about that.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I will come to that.

          • R101

            Great video series Bob, thanks for doing this!

          • Bob Greenyer

            A pleasure, I hope to get onto some of the real meat this week.

          • Bob Greenyer

            So why does Mills say it can use H2O or H2 ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Where in the “BlackLight Process” on page 12 in this document is there H2O

            http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf

            I ONLY see water

          • Axil Axil

            The Mills theory requires that hydrogen is used in all his systems but hydrogen will not work in the SunCell. If it did work, he would use it because using hydrogen is far easier to use than to use water.

          • Bob Greenyer

            But in the presentation he shows the attached image and says it can run on Hydrogen – from the Hydrogen tank. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2fbd6971f497efd5665782e0815f79f3188f434c654e21c4ad3f380347678af4.png

          • Axil Axil

            He selected the water based reaction because it was a great solution, Theory took a backseat to practicality.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is Hydrogen he says it is and all his analysis (And the photons) suggest it is but you seam to have every other explanation in the world but Mills’ (and as you will see, Mills’ is very similar to Piantellis’)

          • Axil Axil

            Hydrogen did not work in the titanium system. Mills had to find another combination that worked and that was water and silver.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It does not matter if he used chocolate covered donuts – it would ONLY be the Hydrogen and a transition metal that takes part in the process!

            This is what he says, this is what the data says, this is what his theory says – and… his theory is very similar to one key aspect of Piantellis.

            No amount of saying water water water is going to change the fact water has Hydrogen in it!

          • Axil Axil

            Mills states that he sees a water compound H2O1,4 consistent with theory. Why is oxygen required in Mills theory?

          • Mats002

            A theorist can not escape the fact that all facts are not facts but anomalies or errors. The theorist do not speak directly to nature, only the experimentalist do so.

          • Axil Axil

            Why is that water tank there. Because it is required.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It could be liquified chocolate truffles – only the H2 and a transition metal would yield the energy – if anything water may help create H-

          • Axil Axil

            As long as deionized water is liquified chocolate truffles then you have a point. The demo was run with only water. I want to see the SunCell run with only hydrogen.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It would need a transition metal

          • Bob Greenyer

            Anyhow – you will see in time that the process RELATING ONLY TO HYDROGEN that Mills claims IS THE SOURCE of the energy (not cavitation or any other process) is very similar to Piantelli.

          • Axil Axil

            You will see in time that metalized hydrogen or the water crystal is the source of the reaction, not H-.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Meanwhile, Piantelli, Celani, Rossi and Mills can use H-.

          • Mats002

            Axil: did I just now see your theory ‘all info about LENR is true’ go out the window?

            The sum of all true info about LENR must be the truth, Yes – but which part is true truth and which part is true anomalies?

          • Axil Axil

            The hard part of truth is to get to the lowest common truth. H- is not a cause of LENR because it cannot produce all the miracles associated with LENR. If H- could, Piantelli would have explained how LENR works in full detail including the miracles.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am going to help me356 with his replication tomorrow, so I need to sleep. Good luck with finding an explination to explain Mill’s reactor (or Rossi’s for that matter) that doesn’t at its core, require Hydrogen and a transition metal.

          • Axil Axil

            Good Luck and God Bless.

          • Mats002

            Same to both of you – wanderers into the history of science 😉

          • Mats002

            I agree so far – still you have a challange to separate true info from experimenters from their dis-interpretation and/or overlooked facts.

      • Axil Axil

        I retract the statement about the sapphire window. That crystal is used on the spectroscope only, not on the PVs.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Implications of Signal 2, Seeing into the SunCell with X-Ray Eyes

    https://youtu.be/9jdEXoFmYVo

    • e-dog

      Cool… fusion?

      • Bob Greenyer

        No real fusion here in suncell… more like capture/conversion of mass/momentum from electrons

    • Byron McDonald

      Bob, could you clarify or expand on the comments about Piattelli and patents/Mills starting @11:40 of this video? It seems you infer the basic triggering process for LENR falls into two iterations one from Piattelli and the other Mills; each operating on same principles but triggered via their own method.

      • Bob Greenyer

        They all unlock a door to a specific aspect of transition metals that I have now added two more videos to “The Symphony of the New Fire” document for pre-learning before I put out a video that will join the dots.

        https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hqjXnJj2jjkPGwU1hQWOE2lqHSOSwChoLnuQHaaTtg

        Look at section 3.

        Piantelli is massaging, Rossi is coaxing and Mills is punching the door open – but they are all opening the same door. Once that door is open, the rest happens auto magically.

    • Axil Axil

      You might need to view the SunCell demo again a time or two and pay attention.

      When I viewed to the SunCell presentation, it surprised me that a tungsten dome is used to downshift the XUV into the visible range using a sapphire or fluoride compound window. The SunCell must produce XUV as the primary EMF emission. See demo at 47:00 and 1:00:00. This optical conversion crystal might be coated on the PV cell. Silver does not down convert the XUV. Mills can use copper, tungsten instead of silver.

      The SunCell is a cavitation system that requires water. Hydrogen is optional in addition to water. The water crystal is formed that produces the LENR effect.

      There is no SunCell theory connection to the piantelli theory, IMHO.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Axil Axil, I am unsure what you are referring to, at one point Mills is talking about equipment limitations for measuring photon energies – at that point he refers to “Sapphire or fluoride compound window” – but this is NOTHING whatsoever to do with the reaction. For your own sake, you should probably retract this incorrect statement presented as fact.

        Given that you got you understanding of the presentation wrong – on what basis can you make such a certain statement as “There is no SunCell theory connection to the piantelli theory, IMHO.” – and what do you know of the part of Piantelli theory that is close to Mills description of his process?

        This is not about opinions, it is about Nature and what it does.

        • Axil Axil

          The SunCell uses the tungsten dome to downshift the XUV produced by the Mills reaction to black body radiation of 3500C, The specroscope is covered with a sapphire window.

          The SunCell requires water to work. It is a cavitation system. Piantelli’s system is not a cavitation system. Hydrogen is supplemental to water only.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As I say in my video – any residual high energy photons are caught by the Tungsten and converted to BB.

            Earlier in the presentation – he plays a gravity fed reactor and there is a live demo – in both cases there is no tungsten between the reactants and the camera and in both cases mills says that the reactants get hot enough and then they start converting the high energy photons to lower, more numerous, visible ones, and the only thing in there is H2 and Ag.

          • Axil Axil

            He uses silver because water covers molten silver ideally. Mills found that water works far better they solid hydrides.

            The SunCell looks like a sonoluminescence based plasma system.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanism_of_sonoluminescence

          • Bob Greenyer

            Mills says it is a change in the state of Hydrogen, so does Piantelli (at least in part) no fusion. It is like you are ignoring what Mills says about his theory to make something else up so that it isn’t like the bit of Piantellis theory that you don’t even know!

            Phew!

          • Axil Axil

            Piantelli does not use water in his reaction.

          • Bob Greenyer

            What has that got to do with Mills energy coming only from interaction of Hydrogen with a transition metal?

          • Axil Axil

            Piantelli must remove all oxygen from his transition metal before his reaction will work.

            Mills needs oxygen for his reaction to work.

            That is one difference.

          • Bob Greenyer

            So why does Mills say it can use H2O or H2 ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Where in the “BlackLight Process” on page 12 in this document is there H2O

            http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf

            I ONLY see water

          • Axil Axil

            The Mills theory requires that hydrogen is used in all his systems but hydrogen will not work in the SunCell. If it did work, he would use it because using hydrogen is far easier to use than to use water.

          • Bob Greenyer

            But in the presentation he shows the attached image and says it can run on Hydrogen – from the Hydrogen tank. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2fbd6971f497efd5665782e0815f79f3188f434c654e21c4ad3f380347678af4.png

          • Axil Axil

            He selected the water based reaction because it was a great solution, Theory took a backseat to practicality.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is Hydrogen he says it is and all his analysis (And the photons) suggest it is but you seam to have every other explanation in the world but Mills’ (and as you will see, Mills’ is very similar to Piantellis’)

          • Axil Axil

            Hydrogen did not work in the titanium system. Mills had to find another combination that worked and that was water and silver.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It does not matter if he used chocolate covered donuts – it would ONLY be the Hydrogen and a transition metal that takes part in the actual energy yielding process!

            This is what he says, this is what the data says, this is what his theory says – and… his theory is very similar to one key aspect of Piantellis.

            No amount of saying water water water is going to change the fact water has Hydrogen in it!

          • Axil Axil

            Delete

          • Mats002

            A theorist can not escape the fact that all facts are not facts but anomalies or errors. The theorist do not speak directly with nature, only the experimentalist do so.

          • Axil Axil

            Why is that water tank there. Because it is required.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It could be liquified chocolate truffles – only the H2 and a transition metal would yield the energy – if anything water may help create H-

          • Axil Axil

            As long as deionized water is liquified chocolate truffles then you have a point. The demo was run with only water. I want to see the SunCell run with only hydrogen.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It would need a transition metal

          • Bob Greenyer

            Anyhow – you will see in time that the process RELATING ONLY TO HYDROGEN that Mills claims IS THE SOURCE of the energy (not cavitation or any other process) is very similar to Piantelli.

          • Axil Axil

            You will see in time that metalized hydrogen or the water crystal is the source of the reaction, not H-.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Meanwhile, Piantelli, Celani, Rossi and Mills can use H-.

          • Mats002

            Axil: did I just now see your theory ‘all info about LENR is true’ go out the window?

            The sum of all true info about LENR must be the truth, Yes – but which part is true truth and which part is true anomalies?

          • Axil Axil

            The hard part of truth is to get to the lowest common truth. H- is not a cause of LENR because it cannot produce all the miracles associated with LENR. If H- could, Piantelli would have explained how LENR works in full detail including the miracles.

          • Bob Greenyer

            I am going to help me356 with his replication tomorrow, so I need to sleep. Good luck with finding an explination to explain Mill’s reactor (or Rossi’s for that matter) that doesn’t at its core, require Hydrogen and a transition metal.

          • Axil Axil

            Good Luck and God Bless.

          • Mats002

            Same to both of you – wanderers into the history of science 😉

          • Mats002

            I agree so far – still you have a challange to separate true info from experimenters from their dis-interpretation and/or overlooked facts.

      • Axil Axil

        I retract the statement about the sapphire window. That crystal is used on the spectroscope only, not on the PVs.

  • Hhiram

    I have to say, I’m discouraged with where this entire project is headed.

    It’s fine if MFMP is focused on experiments and demonstrating replication of E-cat or other technology. That’s is wonderful, and they have done a great job already. The most important thing (maybe in the world) right now is to provide an absolutely compelling demonstration that LENR results in overunity energy production. A simple, highly-detailed procedure with a near-100% success rate that can be replicated all over the world is what is needed.

    Instead, Bob Greenyer’s videos are now focused on making hackneyed guessplanations about the underlying physics of LENR.

    This is a potentially disastrous distraction. It is virtually guaranteed that these explanations will be wrong. Moreover, it does absolutely no favors for the effort to achieve wider LENR acceptance that non-experts are dabbling in theoretical physics. The confusion created by Bob’s “simplified” “explanations” is a perfect example. And this is among LENR enthusiasts. Imagine the scorn that the rest of the scientific community would give to Bob about this. And then his response is, “well I’m just a graphic designer”.

    This is just disastrous PR for LENR.

    Please guys, stay focused on what matters: produce incontrovertible experimental results, and provide the *exact* procedure and materials so that dozens of other teams around the world can replicate it. And please stop with the amateur conjecture about the underlying physics. It cannot help our cause in any way.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Hhiram

      Firstly, we did publish an EXACT procedure and we are the first organisation to ever do so. Every single component of the apparatus, fuel aspects, processing procedures and the full (recorded live) downloadable data for power, temperature a pressure, radiation. Given that no detail is left out, and we are answering questions where there is any doubt, what more do you think can be reasonably done?

      I think a project that has 3 internal replications in the works (obviously only 1 exact), is assisting universities, individual replicators and government bodies is not a bad thing. If you can point to a better approach, please do. I have worked extremely hard to put together these presentations, coordinate the team etc. and we have manage to raise more funds in the last week than in the previous 9 months – the kind of things you demand we volunteers focus on has ONLY been made possible by messaging and in the modern world, people get videos. As a result of the donations, we are attempting to cover all basis of criticism for the exact replication in Santa Cruz by having a wide array of radiation detection, which these funds have allowed.

      Secondly, If you have some specific issue with what I am saying then why not offer a better explanation. I am an amateur, and that’s just a fact based on my lack of salary, however, what I am saying is not conjecture. Which video are you referring to that you think contains conjecture. My understanding is that conjecture is something that has no basis in fact, on the contrary, what I am putting across is based on scores of accounts of radiation measurements across the history of LENR research including our own. We have repeatedly and to order, witnessed emissions in Celani wire, did you read the Gamma blog from 2013?

      goo.gl/zlv4gj

      I can guarantee you 100% that Piantelli said what he said and I have every reason to believe him now. Plus, on of the core aspect of Piantelli theory, it is very similar to that shown in the Brilliant Light Power technical presentation from their most recent public demonstration (see attached image).

      In our video descriptions there are links to text and websites and calculators etc for further learning and verification.

      I am passing on a theory that was explained in detail to us – works within the standard model and all accepted physics and moreover was fully included in a patent that passed.

      In the 3.5 years we have been volunteering – nearly every player wanted us to sign an NDA before they said anything – even when they had patent protection… we did not sign the NDAs because it is a BIG RED FLAG!

      Not so with Piantelli, he personally took us through coherent steps that were backed up by empirical data and we did not sign an NDA. We did not know if he was correct then, but what he said does look like it may be the way now.

      You can see the “BlackLight Process” on page 11 here:

      http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf

      When I come to going over Piantellis theory, you will see where similarity lies.

      Here we have two commercial companies, Brilliant Light Power and Leonardo both with seemingly working devices and both that, at a base level, are explainable by Piantelli’s theory. Knowing that gives us a lot of insight as to what is possible.

      Do you have an alternative theory that works and is testable?

      • e-dog

        Live open entertaining non-profit SCIENCE!! GO TEAM.
        keep up the fantastic work,
        can you keep us up to date how the experiments are going?

        • Bob Greenyer

          I will give an update in next videos. Mostly they are in preparation, as you may understand we are very keen to get it right.

          SKINNER (University of Missouri) may be first to go. They have been processing some nickel to our protocol (I hope) and on Monday, they should receive some of the exact same passivated Nanoshell Lithium from Brian Albiston – coming from the very same batch which was used in GS 5.2. We have been working closely with them to help them seal their reactors properly and other processing matters.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks David, people much smarter than I can debate the minutia – we need more heads further down the road now.

          • e-dog

            awesome! excited!

      • Axil Axil

        The alternate theory to this one is that photons are confined in the nano-pits in the nickel where they accumulate and form a soliton, Electrons are not involved at least in terms of location; however the electrons are entangled with the photons. The pits are required on the surface of the nickel to confine infrared photons. These photons form a quasiparticle called a Surface Plasmon Polariton(SPP). SPP formation is why heat pumping is required for the LENR reaction to go.

        • Fedir Mykhaylov

          The entanglement between the photons and E- conductivity nickel is I can not imagine. Transmission and storage of energy protons located in the octahedral voids of nickel using surface plasmon here agree with you completely .

      • Josh G

        Ignore the haters and peanut gallery hecklers, Bob. You folks at MFMP restore faith in humanity. Just keep doing what you’re doing!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks – I hope to put a good few more Ah hah! videos this week.

          I’d like to try and keep them simple so that more replicators can be effective – I’ll then come behind at some point in the future and do them “correctly”.

    • EEStorFanFibb

      I disagree.

    • Sanjeev

      There is a procedure. The experimenters can simply ignore the theory stuff for now. An experiment speaks a 1000 words.
      I’ve heard of only 1 team going ahead with this procedure (skinner) so far. Where are the others? We are waiting….

      • Bob Greenyer

        Here is a few:

        me356, Brian Albiston, Free Phases

        Alan Goldwater (straight replication), Bob Higgins, Matheiu Valet

        Ryan Hunt – waiting in the wings.

        • Sanjeev

          Thanks for the info Bob.
          Looking forward to this.

  • Hhiram

    I have to say, I’m discouraged with where this entire project is headed.

    It’s fine if MFMP is focused on experiments and demonstrating replication of E-cat or other technology. That’s is wonderful, and they have done a great job already. The most important thing (maybe in the world) right now is to provide an absolutely compelling demonstration that LENR results in overunity energy production. A simple, highly-detailed procedure with a near-100% success rate that can be replicated all over the world is what is needed.

    Instead, Bob Greenyer’s videos are now focused on making hackneyed guessplanations about the underlying physics of LENR.

    This is a potentially disastrous distraction. It is virtually guaranteed that these explanations will be wrong. Moreover, it does absolutely no favors for the effort to achieve wider LENR acceptance that non-experts are dabbling in theoretical physics. The confusion created by Bob’s “simplified” “explanations” is a perfect example. And this is among LENR enthusiasts. Imagine the scorn that the rest of the scientific community would give to Bob about this. And then his response is, “well I’m just a graphic designer”.

    This is just disastrous PR for LENR.

    Please guys, stay focused on what matters: produce incontrovertible experimental results, and provide the *exact* procedure and materials so that dozens of other teams around the world can replicate it. And please stop with the amateur conjecture about the underlying physics. It cannot help our cause in any way.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Hi Hhiram

      Firstly, we did publish an EXACT procedure and we are the first organisation to ever do so. Every single component of the apparatus, fuel aspects, processing procedures and the full (recorded live) downloadable data for power, temperature and pressure, radiation. Given that no detail is left out, and we are answering questions where there is any doubt, what more do you think can be reasonably done?

      I think a project that has 3 internal replications in the works (obviously only 1 exact), is assisting universities, individual replicators and government bodies is not a bad thing. If you can point to a better approach, please do. I have worked extremely hard to put together these presentations, coordinate the team etc. and we have manage to raise more funds in the last week than in the previous 9 months – the kind of things you demand we volunteers focus on has ONLY been made possible by messaging and in the modern world, people get videos. As a result of the donations, we are attempting to cover all basis of criticism for the exact replication in Santa Cruz by having a wide array of radiation detection, which these funds have allowed.

      Secondly, If you have some specific issue with what I am saying then why not offer a better explanation. I am an amateur, and that’s just a fact based of my lack of salary, however, what I am saying is not conjecture. Which video are you referring to that you think contains conjecture. My understanding is that conjecture is something that has no basis in fact, on the contrary, what I am putting across is based on scores of accounts of radiation measurements across the history of LENR research including our own. We have repeatedly and to order, witnessed emissions in Celani wire, did you read the Gamma blog from 2013?

      goo.gl/zlv4gj

      I can guarantee you 100% that Piantelli said what he said and I have every reason to believe him now. Plus, one of the core aspect of Piantelli theory, it is very similar to that shown in the Brilliant Light Power technical presentation from their most recent public demonstration (see attached image).

      In our video descriptions there are links to text and websites and calculators etc for further learning and verification.

      I am passing on a theory that was explained in detail to us – works within the standard model and all accepted physics and moreover was fully included in a patent that passed.

      In the 3.5 years we have been volunteering – nearly every player wanted us to sign an NDA before they said anything – even when they had patent protection… we did not sign the NDAs because it is a BIG RED FLAG!

      Not so with Piantelli, he personally took us through coherent steps that were backed up by empirical data and we did not sign an NDA. We did not know if he was correct then, but what he said does look like it may be the way now.

      You can see the “BlackLight Process” on page 11 here:

      http://brilliantlightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/presentations/TechnicalPresentation1.8.16.pdf

      When I come to going over Piantellis theory, you will see where similarity lies.

      Here we have two commercial companies, Brilliant Light Power and Leonardo both with seemingly working devices and both that, at a base level, are explainable by Piantelli’s theory. Knowing that gives us a lot of insight as to what is possible.

      Do you have an alternative theory that works and is testable?

      Much of the criticism of the LENR field is that there are as many theories (by professionals) as there are theorists – they can’t all be right. Wouldn’t it be much easier for the wider scientific community to have one testable theory that has shown to work in multiple real world applications, than 130 sometimes wildly divergent theories that don’t seam to have any practical deliverable?

      • David Dragon

        Hi Bob, I appreciate all the hard work pls keep it up, yes everything may not be perfect, but I’d rather hear what you have to say today with a minimal viable product than wait for weeks of post processing! Keep the momentum up!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks David, people much smarter than I can debate the minutia – we need more heads further down the road now.

      • e-dog

        Live open entertaining non-profit SCIENCE!! GO TEAM.
        keep up the fantastic work,
        can you keep us up to date how the experiments are going?

        • Bob Greenyer

          I will give an update in next videos. Mostly they are in preparation, as you may understand we are very keen to get it right.

          SKINNER (University of Missouri) may be first to go. They have been processing some nickel to our protocol (I hope) and on Monday, they should receive some of the exact same passivated Nanoshell Lithium from Brian Albiston – coming from the very same batch which was used in GS 5.2. We have been working closely with them to help them seal their reactors properly and other processing matters.

          • e-dog

            awesome! excited!

      • Axil Axil

        The alternate theory to this one is that photons are confined in the nano-pits in the nickel where they accumulate and form a soliton, Electrons are not involved at least in terms of location; however the electrons are entangled with the photons. The pits are required on the surface of the nickel to confine infrared photons. These photons form a quasiparticle called a Surface Plasmon Polariton(SPP). SPP formation is why heat pumping is required for the LENR reaction to go.

        • Fedir Mykhaylov

          The entanglement between the photons and E- conductivity nickel is I can not imagine. Transmission and storage of energy protons located in the octahedral voids of nickel using surface plasmon here agree with you completely .

      • Josh G

        Ignore the haters and peanut gallery hecklers, Bob. You folks at MFMP restore faith in humanity. Just keep doing what you’re doing!

        • Bob Greenyer

          Thanks – I hope to put a good few more Ah hah! videos this week.

          I’d like to try and keep them simple so that more replicators can be effective – I’ll then come behind at some point in the future and do them “correctly”.

    • I disagree.

    • Sanjeev

      There is a procedure. The experimenters can simply ignore the theory stuff for now. An experiment speaks a 1000 words.
      I’ve heard of only 1 team going ahead with this procedure (skinner) so far. Where are the others? We are waiting….

      • Bob Greenyer

        Here is a few:

        me356, Brian Albiston, Free Phases

        Alan Goldwater (straight replication), Bob Higgins, Matheiu Valet

        Ryan Hunt – waiting in the wings.

        • Sanjeev

          Thanks for the info Bob.
          Looking forward to this.

  • Bob Greenyer

    They all unlock a door to a specific aspect of transition metals that I have now added two more videos to “The Symphony of the New Fire” document for pre-learning before I put out a video that will join the dots.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/13hqjXnJj2jjkPGwU1hQWOE2lqHSOSwChoLnuQHaaTtg

    Look at section 3.

    Piantelli is massaging, Rossi is coaxing and Mills is punching the door open – but they are all opening the same door. Once that door is open, the rest happens auto magically.

  • Sanjeev

    Some good news:
    Jeff C Morriss is reporting significant radiation from his Celani-type of experiment. 7x above background.

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/?postID=14761#post14761

    • Bob Greenyer

      Brilliant… and the Key – removing Oxygen – just like Piantelli says. With oxygen – NO EFFECT – looking forward to precisely explaining why.

      • Ecco

        The wire was first oxidized on purpose in air at elevated temperature, then reduced in hydrogen using the method described in this paper: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jpcc.5b04313

        According to which, if the reduction process takes place at a high enough temperature (> 900°C, although Jeff did it at ~800°C) it leaves an oxide-free, finely porous structure with features of less than 10nm in size.

        The finely porous structure obtained this way should be important.

        • Sanjeev

          So Celani’s process is no more a secret now.
          Hopefully others will try replications of Celani wire too, now that there is no limitation on availability of it. Moreover its simpler than the E-Cat.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No secret – we made the process open last year – 1st September 2015.

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/503-how-to-make-a-celani-wire-is-coming#!20140527_180740

            Essentially – you heat cycle in Air to deliberately grow oxides. These modify the structure of the wire to create a spongy coating after subsequent reduction in a Hydrogen atmosphere.

          • Mats002

            Yes, but did you see any clear signal? I recall not and therefore no attempt to replicate, or…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – we saw 12.5% on Dec 12 2012 – we saw similar results in the S&G which was isothermal and in other experiments.

            In 2013 – we could, at will, create up to 3X background when we added H2. I flew to france to see with my own eyes and recorded it – it is all part of the Gamma blog.

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

          • Mats002

            Awesome!

          • Sanjeev

            Great !
            A third party replication makes all the difference.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – JPB did that within 24 hours – but he is a seasoned LENR guy – I think Jeffs replication means that Celani is vindicated.

            So far we have Pons and Fleischmann, Piantelli/Focardi, Rossi and Celani.

          • Josh G

            Where would you place the Szpak/SPAWAR co-deposition replications? Are they under the Pons and Fleischmann umbrella?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBJjWzlKl0

        • Bob Greenyer

          Essentially the same as Celani wire preparation. Oxidisation on purpose is key to creating the spongy nano structures after reduction.

          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/503-how-to-make-a-celani-wire-is-coming#!20140527_180740

          • Ecco

            The critical detail that is a bit vague from Celani’s patent application is the temperature at which the reduction step occurs. According to claim 32 in the patent:

            32. A process according to claim 31, wherein said treatment in a hydrogen atmosphere is carried out at temperatures between 120 and 900° and for a time of between 50 and 1200 seconds.

            From the previously linked paper it’s apparent that only if this step is performed at high enough temperatures the finely porous structures are created.

  • Sanjeev

    Some good news:
    Jeff C Morriss is reporting significant radiation from his Celani-type of experiment. 7x above background.

    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2847-Celani-Type-Replication/?postID=14761#post14761

    • Bob Greenyer

      Brilliant… and the Key – removing Oxygen – just like Piantelli says. With oxygen – NO EFFECT – looking forward to precisely explaining why.

      • Ecco

        The wire was first oxidized on purpose in air at elevated temperature, then reduced in hydrogen using the method described in this paper: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.jpcc.5b04313

        According to which, if the reduction process takes place at a high enough temperature (> 900°C, although Jeff did it at ~800°C) it leaves an oxide-free, finely porous structure with features of less than 10nm in size.

        The finely porous structure obtained this way should be important.

        • Sanjeev

          So Celani’s process is no more a secret now.
          Hopefully others will try replications of Celani wire too, now that there is no limitation on availability of it. Moreover its simpler than the E-Cat.

          • Bob Greenyer

            No secret – we made the process open last year – 1st September 2015.

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/503-how-to-make-a-celani-wire-is-coming#!20140527_180740

            Essentially – you heat cycle in Air to deliberately grow oxides. These modify the structure of the wire to create a spongy coating after subsequent reduction in a Hydrogen atmosphere.

          • Mats002

            Yes, but did you see any clear signal? I recall not and therefore no attempt to replicate, or…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – we saw 12.5% on Dec 12 2012 – we saw similar results in the S&G which was isothermal and in other experiments.

            In 2013 – we could, at will, create up to 3X background when we added H2, JPB took our procedure and replicated in 24 hours. I flew to france to see with my own eyes and recorded it – it is all part of the Gamma blog.

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

          • Mats002

            Awesome!

          • Sanjeev

            Great !
            A third party replication makes all the difference.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Well – JPB did that within 24 hours – but he is a seasoned LENR guy – I think Jeffs replication means that Celani is vindicated.

            So far we have Pons and Fleischmann, Piantelli/Focardi, Rossi and Celani.

          • Josh G

            Where would you place the Szpak/SPAWAR co-deposition replications? Are they under the Pons and Fleischmann umbrella?
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxBJjWzlKl0

        • Bob Greenyer

          Essentially the same as Celani wire preparation. Oxidisation on purpose is key to creating the spongy nano structures after reduction.

          http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/503-how-to-make-a-celani-wire-is-coming#!20140527_180740

          You can see it all spelt out in Celani’s 2012 patent application here:

          http://ecatnews.com/?p=2359

          “Abstract: Thin nano structured layers on surfaces of nickel or its alloys for quickly achieving high hydrogen adsorption values (H/Ni˜0.7) through direct metal/gas contact. The said layers are produced by a process comprising the step of oxidising the said surfaces, applying a film of aqueous silica sol to them, subsequent heating in an -oxidising atmosphere and final activation through reduction in a reducing atmosphere. …”

          • Ecco

            The critical detail that is a bit vague from Celani’s patent application is the temperature at which the reduction step occurs. According to claim 32 in the patent:

            32. A process according to claim 31, wherein said treatment in a hydrogen atmosphere is carried out at temperatures between 120 and 900° and for a time of between 50 and 1200 seconds.

            From the previously linked paper it’s apparent that only if this step is performed at high enough temperatures the finely porous structures are created.

  • Axil Axil

    Just like Mills does in the the SunCell, Rossi may be using tungsten to convert XUV produced by the LENR reaction into visible Black Body radiation including infrared(Sunlight).

  • Axil Axil

    Just like Mills does in the the SunCell, Rossi may be using tungsten to convert XUV produced by the LENR reaction into visible Black Body radiation including infrared(Sunlight).

    Rossi may use the hot tungsten as an electron emitter.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_cathode

  • Axil Axil

    What makes me believe that the Mills SunCell is a cavitation based system is the degree that his electrodes were pitted, Mills had to go with a liquid electrode system to get around the solid electrode degradation problem.

    His system also requires water to work.

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is basically an arc – you’ll get pits

      • Axil Axil

        Piantelli does not get pits in his nickel bars. Why not. Those Mills electrodes is very tough tungsten. If the two reactions were the same, then the Mills system would not need an electric arc to work, just heat.

        • Mats002

          I just saw your theory ‘all info about LENR is true’ go out the window!

          • Axil Axil

            I suspect that Mills is hiding some experimental data that undercuts his hydrino theory.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is not a conspiracy – Piantelli theory is based on known and accepted physics – that is why he got it passed in his patent.

            Piantellis active zone is a complete mess – totally fragmented and fractured, at least the ones he let us handle.

            I have used a welding plant, low voltage ultra high current arcs cause pits, they do, and that is what happens.

          • Mats002

            Mills active zone maybe?

          • Axil Axil

            Mills active zone is a plasma. But that is another reason why the Mills system is different from the Piantelli system.

          • Mats002

            TWO wonders, Ms and Ps? You have invested heavily in ONE!

          • Bob Greenyer

            Axil, if you write a million posts, it still does not change the fact that Mills’ own claimed mechanism (at least the part he makes clear) – that is in the recent technical presentation IS basically the same as an aspect of Piantelli’s which you don’t even know – it is bizarre that you could search for literally anything to push them apart – we started with fictitious extra sapphire and fluorine based crystals – then it was tungsten pitting – then water… which has Hydrogen, then Plasma – look at slide 12 in Mills’ presentation and then wait until I can find time to adequately explain that aspect of Piantelli’s experimentally derived understanding.

            It is not personal – I have literally nothing to gain from sharing the understanding… when it is out there, and people are able to make informed decisions on the basis of it – propose an alternative that makes their life easier right, because no one enjoys wasting life and living a lie.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Mills needs to open the door in a slightly different way to Rossi which is different to Piantelli – but it is all the same door.

          Mills is using brute force to open the door that brute force is an arc. The choice of a higher mass number transition metal than Nickel (Ag) will skew his output to more high energy photons from one part of the process.

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Where do you see the difference between the approaches of Rossi and Piantelli ?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Rossi is using higher bulk temperature to “open the door” rather than energy localisation like Piantelli / Celani. Piantelli is employing a complex set of parameters to create H-, Rossi’s major contribution is employing an Alkaline metal hydride which is an ionic solution when molten – Li+ H- and consequently provides the H- by the bucket load.

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            The difference in temperature to a higher E- Cat Х. The hydrogen in nickel is in the protonated form of the transfer of most of the electron charge in the metal conduction band . In what form is the hydrogen in the gas phase reactor is not essential .

          • Andreas Moraitis

            „Mills needs to open the door in a slightly different way to Rossi which is different to Piantelli – but it is all the same door.“

            I am sure that Mills would disagree, at least as long as you uphold Piantelli’s claims. The type of reactions that Mills postulates is not nuclear. However, speculating about a connection between Mills’ and Piantelli’s theories may lead to interesting questions. For example: Imagine a hydride ion that forms a quasi-atomic system together with a proton – in what way would that system resemble a hydrino?

          • psi2u2

            There’s a thought.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi is using higher bulk temperature to “open the door” rather than energy localisation like Piantelli / Celani. Piantelli is employing a complex set of parameters to create H-, Rossi’s major contribution is employing an Alkaline metal hydride which is an ionic solution when molten – Li+ H- and consequently provides the H- by the bucket load.

    • Fedir Mykhaylov

      The difference in temperature to a higher E- Cat Х. The hydrogen in nickel is in the protonated form of the transfer of most of the electron charge in the metal conduction band . In what form is the hydrogen in the gas phase reactor is not essential .

  • Stephen

    Does anyone know roughly how much Hydrogen was loaded into the Nickel at various stages during GS5.2 experiment? The ratio of hydrogen atoms to nickel atoms in the product could be interesting to know. Or is this still too uncertain to calculate due to certain factors such as vacuuming, leakage and absorption by other materials?

    If not could this be made more quantifiable in future experiments or is that too difficult or constraining for the test.?

  • Stephen

    Does anyone know roughly how much Hydrogen was loaded into the Nickel at various stages during GS5.2 experiment? The ratio of hydrogen atoms to nickel atoms in the product could be interesting to know. Or is this still too uncertain to calculate due to certain factors such as vacuuming, leakage and absorption by other materials?

    If not could this be made more quantifiable in future experiments or is that too difficult or constraining for the test.?

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob, I like Piantellis theory, I still need to read it more to understand fully but I can see it is very rich and developed and seems to work well.

    I’m curious about a couple of points?

    Is his theory consistent with the ideas of high density Hydrogen expressed elsewhere? If so wouldn’t the H- anions repel each other making the formation of these high density hydrogen more difficult? Or are the H- anions somehow more likely to produce rydbergmatter and dense hydrogen somehow? Or is his theory not using dense hydrogen?

    Is it your opinion that the “Beta Radiation we are seeing is infact coming some how from the Auger electrons that are emitted? If so I wonder how the Auger electrons could reach such high energy that they have such a high Q value of near 1.5 MeV? Would this be by absorbtion of UV emission accelerating the electrons near to plasma frequency of the nickel maybe? Or is the X Ray emmission only looking like Bremstrahlung but is somehow generated from the high energy of H- absorption and associated Auger electron emmission directly? Or maybe it is “bremsstrahlung” from the H- anion interaction with the nuclei itself?

    I must admit I have previously been wondering about stimulated beta and other particle emmission from excited states in normally stable nuclei, and was wondering if evanescence in materials of particular plasma frequency could prevent emissions of propagating waves from nuclei below that frequency. perhaps resulting in a reverse cascade resonance or resonance with other nuclei stimulating them to higher levels of excitation in steps and maintaining these levels with positive Q values long enough for beta decay or other particle emission to take place. I had speculated that perhaps if sufficiently high excitation from successive 10s keV stimulation was achieved it could even stimulate a pion, kaon or phi meson production perhaps with resonance of a nucleon. I think only UDH or UDD however could potentially have an electron density sufficiently dense for the plasma frequency to reach several 10s of KeV though.

    After reading Piantellis patent I think your ideas will probably make more sense. I’m looking forward to seeing this develop.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good show Stephen – you are getting close.

      • Stephen

        Thanks Bob the more I look the more coherent Piantellis theory looks especially with the addition of your insights.

        So I suppose it is the acceleration and deceleration of the Hydrogen anion/ proton along with the accelerated emission of the proton and auger electrons that might account for the Bremsstrahlung like signal?

        I wonder how the lack of characteristic X-rays is accounted for are these all of low enough frequency that they are absorbed by the charged particles?

        I wonder if nucleus excitation along the lines i mentioned is still occurring though. If so could an excited neutron in a nucleus more easily pair with a proton I wonder making proton capture more easy?

        I wonder of a bound Neutron near its maximum excitement energy can more easily tunnel to other nuclei or decay via beta emission.

        I had the following thoughts when looking at Holmlids results a while back but probably its a bit too way out there to be significant:

        There is something else that is interesting about Nickel and Iron if nucleus excitation is implicated. I’m not sure what the highest excitation energy is in these nuclei but if the total binding energy is relevant there is an interesting coincidence.

        Nickel 62 and Iron 56 and 58 have higher binding energy per nucleon than average about 8.79 MeV per nucleon. If we multiply this by the number of nucleons we get the total binding energy for the nucleus:

        Ni 62 binding energy = 62 * 8.7945 = 545 MeV
        Fe 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7922 = 509 MeV
        Fe 56 binding energy = 56 * 8.7903 = 492 MeV

        Interestingly a neutral Kaon has a mass 496 MeV (K0 is a neutral meson made up of oscillating states of down and strange quarks)

        The total binding energy of Ni 62 and Fe 58 would both therefore be sufficient for containing a K0 Meson 496 MeV

        Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.

        The following is a bit speculative but interesting I think:

        I wonder if a Ni 62 and Fe 58 was sufficiently excited to near its maximum total binding energy if it could trigger a resonance in one of its nucleons to generate a K0 Meson

        Lighter elements or isotopes on the other hand would not have enough binding energy to contain the mass energy required for a Kaon. So if present and absorbing radiation perhaps they inhibit to some extent the Kaon production and generate free neutrons or other emissions instead.

        Perhaps this is another reason for enriched Ni 62 and Ni 64.

        Ok I admit that concept is probably far fetched but its an interesting coincidence in energies nevertheless.

  • Stephen

    Hi Bob, I like Piantellis theory, I still need to read it more to understand fully but I can see it is very rich and developed and seems to work well.

    I’m curious about a couple of points?

    Is his theory consistent with the ideas of high density Hydrogen expressed elsewhere? If so wouldn’t the H- anions repel each other making the formation of these high density hydrogen more difficult? Or are the H- anions somehow more likely to produce rydbergmatter and dense hydrogen somehow? Or is his theory not using dense hydrogen?

    Is it your opinion that the “Beta Radiation we are seeing is infact coming some how from the Auger electrons that are emitted? If so I wonder how the Auger electrons could reach such high energy that they have such a high Q value of near 1.5 MeV? Would this be by absorbtion of UV emission accelerating the electrons near to plasma frequency of the nickel maybe? Or is the X Ray emmission only looking like Bremstrahlung but is somehow generated from the high energy of H- absorption and associated Auger electron emmission directly? Or maybe it is “bremsstrahlung” from the H- anion interaction with the nuclei itself?

    I must admit I have previously been wondering about stimulated beta and other particle emmission from excited states in normally stable nuclei, and was wondering if evanescence in materials of particular plasma frequency could prevent emissions of propagating waves from nuclei below that frequency. perhaps resulting in a reverse cascade of stimulated resonance (from bremstrahlung, laser stimulation or phonons etc) or resonance with other nuclei stimulating them to higher levels of excitation in steps and maintaining these levels with positive Q values long enough for beta decay or other particle emission to take place. I had speculated that perhaps if sufficiently high excitation from successive steps of 10s or 100s keV stimulation was achieved it could even stimulate a pion, kaon or phi meson production perhaps through resonance of a nucleon. I think only UDH or UDD however could potentially have an electron density sufficiently dense for the plasma frequency to reach several 10s of KeV though.

    After reading Piantellis patent I think your ideas will probably make more sense. I’m looking forward to seeing this develop.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Good show Stephen – you are getting close.

      • Stephen

        Thanks Bob the more I look the more coherent Piantellis theory looks especially with the addition of your insights.

        So I suppose it is the acceleration and deceleration of the Hydrogen anion/ proton along with the accelerated emission of the proton and auger electrons that might account for the Bremsstrahlung like signal?

        I wonder how the lack of characteristic X-rays is accounted for are these all of low enough frequency that they are absorbed by the charged particles?

        I wonder if nucleus excitation along the lines i mentioned is still occurring though. If so could an excited neutron in a nucleus more easily pair with a proton I wonder making proton capture more easy?

        I wonder of a bound Neutron near its maximum excitement energy can more easily tunnel to other nuclei or decay via beta emission.

        I had the following thoughts when looking at Holmlids results a while back but probably its a bit too way out there to be significant:

        There is something else that is interesting about Nickel and Iron if nucleus excitation is implicated. I’m not sure what the highest excitation energy is in these nuclei but if the total binding energy is relevant there is an interesting coincidence.

        Nickel and Iron have higher binding energy per nucleon than average. If we multiply this by the number of nucleons we get the total binding energy for the nucleus:

        For stable Ni Nuclei we have:

        Ni 62 binding energy = 62 * 8.7945 = 545 MeV
        Ni 60 binding energy = 60 * 8.7807 = 527 MeV
        Ni 64 binding energy = 64 * 8.7774 = 562 MeV
        Ni 61 binding energy = 61 * 8.7649 = 535 MeV
        Ni 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7319 = 506 MeV

        For stable Fe Nuclei we have:

        Fe 58 binding energy = 58 * 8.7922 = 509 MeV
        Fe 56 binding energy = 56 * 8.7903 = 492 MeV
        Fe 57 binding energy = 57 * 8.7701 = 500 MeV
        Fe 54 binding energy = 54 * 8.7362 = 472 MeV

        For stable Co Nuclei we have:

        Co 59 binding energy = 59 * 8.7679 = 517 MeV

        Interestingly a neutral Kaon has a mass 496 MeV (K0 is a neutral meson made up of oscillating states of + and – down and strange quarks)

        The total binding energy of all stable isotopes of Ni and Fe 58 and Fe 57 and Co 59 would all therefore be sufficient for containing a K0 Meson 496 MeV

        Fe 56 on the other hand would just fall short.

        The following is a bit speculative but interesting I think:

        I wonder if suitable Ni and Fe was sufficiently excited to near its maximum total binding energy if it could trigger a resonance in one of its nucleons to generate a K0 Meson

        Lighter elements or isotopes on the other hand would not have enough binding energy to contain the mass energy required for a Kaon. So if present and absorbing radiation perhaps they inhibit to some extent the Kaon production and generate free neutrons or other emissions instead.

        Ok I admit that concept is probably far fetched but its an interesting coincidence in energies nevertheless.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi used “Gamma Scout” radiation detector in 2011 which me356 and Free Phases has shown to be near useless for detecting emissions from Ni+H reaction.

    https://youtu.be/m-8QdVwY98E?t=6m18s

    Immediately following he says “the gamma rays are thermalised in the reactor and for this reason we have energy production”

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Useless in what sense, insensitive to “low” energy quanta?

      If Rossi had some shielding around his reactor, he knew that low energy quanta could not escape but high energy ones could, so it was sufficient to measure only the high energy ones. Could it be so?

      • Bob Greenyer

        But when in operation shielding or no shielding, the GS has been shown to be not effective at measuring expected emissions.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          And you tested it with known radioactive source?

  • Bob Greenyer

    Rossi used “Gamma Scout” radiation detector in 2011 which me356 and Free Phases has shown to be near useless for detecting emissions from Ni+H reaction.

    https://youtu.be/m-8QdVwY98E?t=6m18s

    Immediately following he says “the gamma rays are thermalised in the reactor and for this reason we have energy production”

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Useless in what sense, insensitive to “low” energy quanta?

      If Rossi had some shielding around his reactor, he knew that low energy quanta could not escape but high energy ones could, so it was sufficient to measure only the high energy ones. Could it be so?

      • Bob Greenyer

        But when in operation shielding or no shielding, the GS has been shown to be not effective at measuring expected emissions.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          And you tested it with known radioactive source?

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  • Stephen

    I just found a very good document on SPP. I like it a lot and highly recommend taking a look.

    https://www.physik.hu-berlin.de/de/nano/lehre/Gastvorlesung%20Wien/plasmonics

    Maybe Axil has already posted it here and knows it already? It covers a lot of the points he mentions here sometimes.

  • Stephen

    I just found a very good document on SPP. I like it a lot and highly recommend taking a look.

    https://www.physik.hu-berlin.de/de/nano/lehre/Gastvorlesung%20Wien/plasmonics

    Maybe Axil has already posted it here and knows it already? It covers a lot of the points he mentions here sometimes.

  • Ecco

    If Piantelli says that Mills is the closest to being right, does this mean he believes that a shrunken form of Hydrogen exists? Is Piantelli’s H- a shrunken Hydrogen atom?

    • Mats002

      Good question, I can’t see how those two theories can be the same at the level of detail they are described.

      It could though be one common underlying phenomena like Axils monopole that is the root to LENR, but neither Mills nor Piantelli talk about that.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I will come to that.

  • Mats002
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  • Teemu Soilamo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_92zc-rDXGw New video from MFMP — “Pre-Processing fuel for low emissions”

  • Teemu Soilamo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_92zc-rDXGw New video from MFMP — “Pre-Processing fuel for low emissions”

  • R101

    Great video series Bob, thanks for doing this!

    • Bob Greenyer

      A pleasure, I hope to get onto some of the real meat this week.

  • Karl Venter

    Hi All
    Please advise the significance of trace 7
    Is it the 7th probe of many probes or has it some other nuclear specific explanation

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is to do with the initial bulk transition in the fuel. I will attempt to explain to the best of my ability, knowledge and insight in a future video.

  • Karl Venter

    Hi All
    Please advise the significance of trace 7
    Is it the 7th probe of many probes or has it some other nuclear specific explanation

    • Bob Greenyer

      It is to do with the initial bulk transition in the fuel. I will attempt to explain to the best of my ability, knowledge and insight in a future video.