Gold From Mats Lewan's Impossible Invention Book (Engineer48)

The following post has been submitted by Engineer48

Guys,

OK time to come clean

Don’t really know why but until today I had never read Mat’s book. More fool I.

Can tell you there are pure GOLD nuggets in that book, so much so that I have decided to toss my hat into the ring.

Have started to design a hot water heater pre heater and a HVAC pre heater that both add significant heat into the supplied product, being cold water or return air/water that should vastly reduce the running cost associated with any form of domestic heating of air or water.

OK some may say that is putting the cart before the horse but you see I think I have figured out how to make the Rossi Effect work and why others have so far, well publicly at least, failed to see excess heat.

I have spoken at length with the various standards and radiation safety bodies in Australia and there seems to be no real issue with a DIY experimental kit as neither the fuel, the reactor nor the spent fuel are radioactive. There are safety standards involved but they are easily complied with.

No way can I fund building massive plants nor production lines. I’ll leave that for Leonardo, plus I have seen personally and from the various details in Mat’s book read what happens when you expose financial types to the opportunity to CONTROL a new multi trillion dollar market. I have personally seen what unrestrained greed does to the best of people and it is not nice.

What I can do is to supply DIY kits, plus a really good and interactive chat support forum as you have seen I can do, and to use existing distribution channels via sites such as LookingForHeat and others that will allow pioneer DIYers to experiment with a proven LENR reactor that can, if they so desire, be incorporated to heat the water and air in their homes.

So yes Mats, there are nuggets of pure GOLD in your book, that when combined with current events and gained knowledge, paints a very clear pathway as to how to make the reaction have a very high COP and respond to input stimulation VERY quickly.

I can share that what I have seen of other DIY replicators, well they are trying to push shite up hill and while they may succeed to some extent in doing that, their efforts are really going, in my opinion, the wrong way.

If I sell 1,000 kits at $1,000 each, well I’ll be very happy that I made a good return and that LENR will never be suppressed. BTW these kit will be fully functional black boxes that deliver reliable excess heat output. So not a DIY bunch of parts but a fully functional black box that generates very significant excess heat the DIY integrators can apply to water and air heating as they desire.

And yes they will be certified as to the excess heat generated by authoritative independent certifiers.

I have no plans to patent anything as patents are only worth having if you have the mega bucks and time to defend transgressors in court.

Comments most welcome.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Frank,

    Thanks.

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      My best wishs for your project !

      Cheers

      • Engineer48

        Hi Toussaint,

        Thanks. Most appreciated.
        .

  • Engineer48

    Hi Frank,

    Thanks.

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      My best wishs for your project !

      Cheers

      • Engineer48

        Hi Toussaint,

        Thanks. Most appreciated.
        .

  • Mats002

    E48, if you can make the effect reproducible on demand DIY will rule!

    If you have the time and money and believe in your project (which you obviously do) – go for it!

    We, at least me, myself and I, will keep on discus with you 😉

    But please, don’t underestimate what it takes to make the effect in single mode.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats002,

      I have designed, developed and marketed more complex systems that this many times before.

      Many people look at data and try to fit what they see to what they know. My brain doesn’t work like that and sees relationships what others apparently don’t see.
      .

      • Mats002

        I wish you good luck and will follow you with high interest!

  • Mats002

    E48, if you can make the effect reproducible on demand DIY will rule!

    If you have the time and money and believe in your project (which you obviously do) – go for it!

    We, at least me, myself and I, will keep on discus with you 😉

    But please, don’t underestimate what it takes to make the effect in single mode.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats002,

      I have designed, developed and marketed more complex systems that this many times before.

      Many people look at data and try to fit what they see to what they know. My brain doesn’t work like that and sees relationships what others apparently don’t see.
      .

      • Mats002

        I wish you good luck and will follow you with high interest!

  • A number of thoughts come to mind.

    A – Yay!
    B – You might want to actually try it out first before making such bold statements.
    C – If you fail to publish the ‘secrets’ and the black boxes are always around the corner, you’re going to be vilified and tank the significant amount of credibility and good will you’ve built up so far. (You see the scam right? — Get everyone excited and gain their confidence, put black boxes up for sale for $1k, make $Xk, disappear).
    D – MFMP would eagerly test your first black box prototype.

    • Engineer48

      Hi LenrG,

      You really think I work like that????
      .

      • I don’t see why you would keep the information to yourself.

        • Engineer48

          Hi LenrG,

          Well maybe the reactor control firmware will be confidential but only to stop reactor BANG meltdowns it if was modified.

          • Cool. So when do you plan your big reveal?

          • Engineer48

            Hi LenrG,

            As you so correctly state I need to walk the talk, which I’m engaging and doing the work to support.

            BTW at least one LENR reactor DIY supplier has told me they will support my efforts.
            .

    • Engineer48
      • Alan DeAngelis

        I like the reactor but I always like to have a pressure relief valve somewhere in the system when I do pressurized reactions (I’m not too fond of pipe bombs).
        http://encyclopedia.che.engin.umich.edu/Images/Safety/PressureRelief/PRV_1.jpg
        And maybe a little glass wool at the cooler end between the fuel and the gage to prevent the powders from clogging the gage and valve (although it just might make things worse with the molten lithium).
        This MSDS says glass wool has a melting of 1710 C. I didn’t think an amorphous solid would have a sharp melting point.

        http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924141

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          Thanks.

          The glass wool idea looks good as the fuel tube end stuffers will have a small gap. Don’t intend for the rod stuffers to tughtly compact the fuel but to just try to restricts it movement a bit. Which neans YES there could be some smal
          powder movement until the Li and LAN melts & coats the Ni.

          Alan from LookingForHeat has agreed to use his shaker and ball mill to mix the fuel.
          .

  • A number of thoughts come to mind.

    A – Yay!
    B – You might want to actually try it out first before making such bold statements.
    C – If you fail to publish the ‘secrets’ and the black boxes are always around the corner, you’re going to be vilified and tank the significant amount of credibility and good will you’ve built up so far. (You see the scam right? — Get everyone excited and gain their confidence, put black boxes up for sale for $1k, make $Xk, disappear).
    D – MFMP would eagerly test your first black box prototype.

    • Engineer48

      Hi LenrG,

      You really think I work like that????
      .

      • I don’t see why you would keep the information to yourself.

        • Engineer48

          Hi LenrG,

          Well maybe the reactor control firmware will be confidential but only to stop reactor BANG meltdowns it if was modified.

          • Cool. So when do you plan your big reveal?

          • Engineer48

            Hi LenrG,

            As you so correctly state I need to walk the talk, which I’m engaging and doing the work to support.

            BTW at least one LENR reactor DIY supplier has told me they will support my efforts.
            .

    • Engineer48
  • Engineer48

    BTW I did email Andrea with my intentions to watch his back and that his tech will never be buried, ignored nor controlled against public interest.

    Frank has a copy of that email.
    .

  • Engineer48

    BTW I did email Andrea with my intentions to watch his back and that his tech will never be buried, ignored nor controlled against public interest.

    Frank has a copy of that email.
    .

  • hhiram

    If you are the first to get a real LENR product into people’s hands, you will get a big chunk of the credit for revolutionizing humanity’s energy future!

    • Engineer48

      Hi HHiram,

      Rossi and others did the heavy lifting.

      Read Mats book.
      .

  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    Here is a real info tip.

    Mats book is a virtual GOLD mine of info nuggets IF YOU HAVE AN OPEN ENGINEERING MINDSET.

    As example the corro on the 28 Oct 2011 test TOTALLY explains why each BlueCat and Tiger reactor has it’s own topping up pump. No way would any scam implement this individual reactor water level control technology.

    Sorry to say but the anti Rossi non engineers have got it TOTALLY wrong. This is 100% experience/development driven engineering that implements what past coalface experience DEMANDS needs to be implemented in future plants as was done.
    .

  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    Here is a real info tip.

    Mats book is a virtual GOLD mine of info nuggets IF YOU HAVE AN OPEN ENGINEERING MINDSET.

    As example the corro on the 28 Oct 2011 test TOTALLY explains why each BlueCat and Tiger reactor has it’s own topping up pump. No way would any scam implement this individual reactor water level control technology.

    Sorry to say but the anti Rossi non engineers have got it TOTALLY wrong. This is 100% experience/development driven engineering that implements what past coalface engineering experience DEMANDS needs to be implemented in future plants as was done.
    .

  • psi2u2

    Never a dull moment.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Psi2u2,

      No never.

      Why should life be dull and boring?
      Is that life or just existence?
      Have we lost the pioneering / exploration drive?
      The energy and power density of the Ecat enables this to happen.

      https://youtu.be/YH3c1QZzRK4
      .

      • Mats002

        Swedes again I notice 😉

        • Engineer48

          Yup.

          BTW flying on Titan would be really, really cool.

          Well next to my bar on Mars with the coldest beer and best food in the solar system. 😉
          .

          • psi2u2

            exactly. Keep up the great work. The only reason I may not order your kit is that I am not really a tekkie type. However, I would be interested in getting our local University science people hooked up with one! So let me put in my order for that purpose right now.

  • Zeddicus23

    The kits you anticipate selling sound interesting. What is the anticipated COP?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      In SSM, like the QuarkX COP.
      .

  • Zeddicus23

    The kits you anticipate selling sound interesting. What is the anticipated COP?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      In SSM, like the QuarkX COP.
      .

  • Zeddicus23

    “I think I have figured out how to make the Rossi Effect work and why others have so far, well publicly at least, failed to see excess heat.”

    Have you tested this, or is this just “hot air”?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      Stay tuned.

      BTW I’m not a vapourware kind of guy and I will NEVER ask for any money up front. I don’t work like that.

      When I’m ready I will deliver.
      .

      • Zeddicus23

        OK. I’ll stay tuned. Good luck with your experiments!

      • Rene

        Be careful, those are very similar words Rossi uses.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Rene,

          Rossi delivered in Oct 2011 for 5.5 hours of no touch SSM and delivered for 350 days 2015 to 2016.

          Why should I be careful?
          .

          • Rene

            See above.

  • Zeddicus23

    “I think I have figured out how to make the Rossi Effect work and why others have so far, well publicly at least, failed to see excess heat.”

    Have you tested this, or is this just “hot air”?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      Stay tuned.

      BTW I’m not a vapourware kind of guy and I will NEVER ask for any money up front. I don’t work like that.

      When I’m ready I will deliver.
      .

      • Zeddicus23

        OK. I’ll stay tuned. Good luck with your experiments!

      • Rene

        Be careful, those are very similar words Rossi uses.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Rene,

          Rossi delivered in Oct 2011 for 5.5 hours of no touch SSM and delivered for 350 days 2015 to 2016.

          Why should I be careful?
          .

          • Rene

            See above.

        • Vinney

          Engineer48 will probably setup his own blog site of his progress (real-time science and development) and we will be able to comment on his announcements at ECW.
          This site is going to become “exemplary’ for public participation on a new technological breakthrough. Interesting times ahead.

  • Zeddicus23

    Why is it that no one who ever claims success in LENR can ever reveal all of the details so that others can reproduce? Also, this isn’t April 1, so perhaps Engineer48’s account has been hacked?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      No hacking has occurred.

      Sorry but what I plan to sell are complete mini 1 to 5kW LENR reactors. No DIY kits that may or may not work.
      .

      • Zephir

        You should first construct one and to demonstrate at publics, it does work.

  • Zeddicus23

    Why is it that no one who ever claims success in LENR can ever reveal all of the details so that others can reproduce? Also, this isn’t April 1, so perhaps Engineer48’s account has been hacked?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      No hacking has occurred.

      Sorry but what I plan to sell are complete mini 1 to 5kW LENR reactors. No DIY kits that may or may not work.
      .

      • Zephir

        You should first construct one and to demonstrate at publics, it does work.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good luck Engineer48!

    Please play safe, we have repeatedly seen Gamma in 2013 in Celani wire (no Lithium, transition metals only) and this year in a Rossi patent analogue operating at modest apparent excess in both cases. We have also seen evidence of neutrons.

    Others, including Canon, Piantelli, Focardi, Violante, Celani, Jean-Paul Biberian, Mobberley, Takahashi, Matsumoto, Bush and Eagleton, Storms, Mizuno, Clean Planet etc. and various Russian researchers have seen or claimed to have seen photons at a range of energies and neutrons. me356 has claimed to have been able to stimulate events with very high neutron fluxes.

    Of course, what we have apparently observed is temperature and event dependent and hardly what you would call sustained though reports from Clean Planet and me356 would guide design. The long term photons from the basic technology are claimed to be shield-able and this would be consistent with our observations to date.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Seriously mate I appreciate your efforts and input.

      Hope to be able to contribute to move forward the communal effort and results.

      A long time ago I worked out:
      .

      • Zeddicus23

        “A long time ago I worked out:”

        What happened? You’re going to leave us mid-sentence? The suspense is killing me!

        • Engineer48

          I worked out:

          None of US are as SMART as ALL of US.

          • sam

            Vessy’s books are pure gold.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Sam,

            As are Mats book.
            .

          • sam

            Engineer 48
            When your not busy with your project here is some
            new gold mining technology.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQKB7-vL_w

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for your kind words.

        I am sure you will!

    • Engineer48

      Bob,

      This circuit is inside the BlueCat reactor control box and wired into the heater control system.

      Do you understand why it is there?

      I believe I do and that it feeds back to the central control computer 10 to 20 times a second the ECat reaction heartbeat pulse strength from Em field induced EMF into the non powered heater coil. As an EE that has many times designed similar circuits to monitor similar effects I knew what it has there for at 1st sight.
      .

      • Engineer48

        Rest of my proposed Blue/Tiger ECat plant schematic.
        .

      • Bob Greenyer

        I’m not good at believing things until I see them operating as claimed with my own eyes with instruments I have confidence in.

        When you say this circuit “is inside the BlueCat reactor control box” is this known to you or is this deduced from forensic study of published photos combined with your own insight and experience? Forgive me for not already knowing the answer to this question but I have been on a family holiday this past few weeks. Also, is your sample rate (10-20 per second) inferred or known?

        Of course the system should have some control feedback to manage claimed SSM modes and back EMF, should that be a reactor operating parameter that can be effectively monitored, could form part of that control loop and safety system. Naturally, isolation in the from of Optical and electromagnetic switching is desirable when mixing power electronics with LV control logic.

        We have, as you may be aware, [re] established that Alumina drops its resistance at high temperatures and also we have discussed that a drop out in our GS5.2 may have been due to either this or potentially some EMF component feeding back to our power analyser which we have yet to see again (though we have only had one replication, it did run for several weeks) – it was for this reason that we upgraded the power analyser between GS 5.2 and GS 5.3

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob.

          I have for many years designed, manufactured and delivered complex control systems.

          When I saw the small PCBs that Fulvio was working on, I instantly saw they were 4 pin linear voltage monitor OptoCouplers that I was very familiar with.

          I then analysed the BlueCat reactor control box images from the trademark application and worked out the circuit and how the small PCB was wired in and from experience it’s circuit and why it was there.

          My conclusions are the Rossi Effect generates, internal to the reaction core, an Em fields that induce a EMF in the unpowered heater coil that this circuit picks up and is used as a high speed, non thermocouple slow response, heart beat to control the reactor without needing an embedded thermocouple that suffers from a delayed response due to thermal mass lag time.

          Ok you opinion may differ but the reality is the small PCB is there and is wired into the heater circuit and the monitoring output is wired to the LAN based I/O pcb.

          It is there for a reason that should NOT be ignored.
          .

          • Bob Greenyer

            Agreed that the opto-coupler is there and the power relay circuit board is off the shelf and exists in photos.

          • Mats002

            Hi E48 and Bob,
            Consider the possibility that there are two coils inside the reactor; one optimized for heat and the other optimized for pick up of the EMF. I cannot judge if the wiring or extra hidden components can support this idea though.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats002,

            Consider that Rossi uses phase to phase heater coil excitation. ie the highest voltage possible.

            Next consider what that says about his coil resistance? Very high!

            Next consider what that says about the number of turns in his heater coil? Also very high?

            Next consider the voltage induced by a fixed EMF that is then dependent on the turn count in the coil? The higher the coil turn count the higher any Em field induced EMF.

            So if Rossi uses the highest excitation voltage possible, any Em field induced EMF will be as high as possible.

            Which may mean DIYers using low turn count and low voltage coils may not observe much Em field induced EMF in their heater coils.
            .

          • Eyedoc

            E48, you have done an elegant analysis….makes me trust your potential ‘black box’ sale idea…….I’ll order one when they are ready… . (and even if something prevents your completing the project, please do continue to advise this forum, you are vital to LENR future)

          • Bob Greenyer

            This is entirely possible, however, I think it may be simpler.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            It is there for a reason.

            I have used this peak detector circuit before and for this very reason.

            Need to monitor a phase to phase situation that needs total isolation as there is no neutral.

            That the output of the 4 pin linear optocoupler feeds a 0-3.3 VDC 10 bit adc tell me everything I need to know.

            It is there to monitor and report on the max heater coil induced EMF during heater coil non powered periods. I assume Rossi uses this sense to provided a better/faster reaction heartbeat that using a temp sensor.

            BTW the only temp sensor is of the outlet steam temp. There are no other temp sensor inputs.

            The main LAN I/O PCB has 3 analogue inputs:

            1) Reactor water level

            2) Outlet steam temp

            3) EMF from the heater coil

            There are 3 outputs:

            1) Topping up pump On/Off

            2) Heater coil On/Off.

            3) Open the heater coil safety circuit breaker and short the heater coil.

            All monitored / controlled 10 to 20 times a second.

            That the control box uses mechanical relays instead of solid state relays tell me heaps about what can come out of the heater coil and that may F##k up a SSR.
            ,
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            You rightly say that mechanical relays have their advantages.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good luck Engineer48!

    Please play safe, we have repeatedly seen Gamma in 2013 in Celani wire (no Lithium, transition metals only) and this year in a Rossi patent analogue operating at modest apparent excess in both cases. We have also seen evidence of neutrons.

    Others, including Canon, Piantelli, Focardi, Violante, Celani, Jean-Paul Biberian, Mobberley, Takahashi, Matsumoto, Bush and Eagleton, Storms, Mizuno, Clean Planet etc. and various Russian researchers have seen or claimed to have seen photons at a range of energies and neutrons. me356 has claimed to have been able to stimulate events with very high neutron fluxes.

    Of course, what we have apparently observed is temperature and event dependent and hardly what you would call sustained though reports from Clean Planet and me356 would guide design. The long term photons from the basic technology are claimed to be shield-able and this would be consistent with our observations to date.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bob,

      Your efforts to date are amazing. Watched every video and read every word. Seriously mate I appreciate your efforts and input.

      Hope to be able to contribute to move forward the communal effort and results.

      A long time ago I worked out:
      .

      • Zeddicus23

        “A long time ago I worked out:”

        What happened? You’re going to leave us mid-sentence? The suspense is killing me!

        • Engineer48

          I worked out:

          None of US are as SMART as ALL of US.

          • sam

            Vessy’s books are pure gold.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Sam,

            As are Mats book.
            .

          • sam

            Engineer 48
            When your not busy with your project here is some
            new gold mining technology.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLQKB7-vL_w

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thanks for your kind words.

        I am sure you will!

    • Engineer48

      Bob,

      This circuit is inside the BlueCat reactor control box and wired into the heater control system.

      Do you understand why it is there?

      I believe I do and that it feeds back to the central control computer 10 to 20 times a second the ECat reaction heartbeat pulse strength from Em field induced EMF into the non powered heater coil. As an EE that has many times designed similar circuits to monitor similar effects I knew what it has there for at 1st sight.
      .

      • Engineer48

        Rest of my proposed Blue/Tiger ECat plant schematic.
        .

      • Bob Greenyer

        I’m not good at believing things until I see them operating as claimed with my own eyes with instruments I have confidence in.

        When you say this circuit “is inside the BlueCat reactor control box” is this known to you or is this deduced from forensic study of published photos combined with your own insight and experience? Forgive me for not already knowing the answer to this question but I have been on a family holiday this past few weeks. Also, is your sample rate (10-20 per second) inferred or known?

        Of course the system should have some control feedback to manage claimed SSM modes and back EMF, should that be a reactor operating parameter that can be effectively monitored, could form part of that control loop and safety system. Naturally, isolation in the from of Optical and electromagnetic switching is desirable when mixing power electronics with LV control logic.

        We have, as you may be aware, [re] established that Alumina drops its resistance at high temperatures and also we have discussed that a drop out in our GS5.2 may have been due to either this or potentially some EMF component feeding back to our power analyser which we have yet to see again (though we have only had one replication, it did run for several weeks) – it was for this reason that we upgraded the power analyser between GS 5.2 and GS 5.3

        • Engineer48

          Hi Bob.

          I have for many years designed, manufactured and delivered complex control systems.

          When I saw the small PCBs that Fulvio was working on, I instantly saw they were 4 pin linear voltage monitor OptoCouplers that I was very familiar with.

          I then analysed the BlueCat reactor control box images from the trademark application and worked out the circuit and how the small PCB was wired in and from experience it’s circuit and why it was there.

          My conclusions are the Rossi Effect generates, internal to the reaction core, an Em fields that induce a EMF in the unpowered heater coil that this circuit picks up and is used as a high speed, non thermocouple slow response, heart beat to control the reactor without needing an embedded thermocouple that suffers from a delayed response due to thermal mass lag time.

          Ok you opinion may differ but the reality is the small PCB is there and is wired into the heater circuit and the monitoring output is wired to the LAN based I/O pcb.

          It is there for a reason that should NOT be ignored.
          .

          • Bob Greenyer

            Agreed that the opto-coupler is there and the power relay circuit board is off the shelf and exists in photos.

          • Mats002

            Hi E48 and Bob,
            Consider the possibility that there are two coils inside the reactor; one optimized for heat and the other optimized for pick up of the EMF. I cannot judge if the wiring or extra hidden components can support this idea though.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats002,

            Consider that Rossi uses phase to phase heater coil excitation. ie the highest voltage possible.

            Next consider what that says about his coil resistance? Very high!

            Next consider what that says about the number of turns in his heater coil? Also very high?

            Next consider the voltage induced by a fixed EMF that is then dependent on the turn count in the coil? The higher the coil turn count the higher any Em field induced EMF.

            So if Rossi uses the highest excitation voltage possible, any Em field induced EMF will be as high as possible.

            Which may mean DIYers using low turn count and low voltage coils may not observe much Em field induced EMF in their heater coils.
            .

          • Eyedoc

            E48, you have done an elegant analysis….makes me trust your potential ‘black box’ sale idea…….I’ll order one when they are ready… . (and even if something prevents your completing the project, please do continue to advise this forum, you are vital to LENR future)

          • Bob Greenyer

            This is entirely possible, however, I think it may be simpler.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            It is there for a reason.

            I have used this peak detector circuit before and for this very reason.

            Need to monitor a phase to phase situation that needs total isolation as there is no neutral.

            That the output of the 4 pin linear optocoupler feeds a 0-3.3 VDC 10 bit adc tell me everything I need to know.

            It is there to monitor and report on the max heater coil induced EMF during heater coil non powered periods. I assume Rossi uses this sense to provided a better/faster reaction heartbeat that using a temp sensor.

            BTW the only temp sensor is of the outlet steam temp. There are no other temp sensor inputs.

            The main LAN I/O PCB has 3 analogue inputs:

            1) Reactor water level

            2) Outlet steam temp

            3) EMF from the heater coil

            There are 3 outputs:

            1) Topping up pump On/Off

            2) Heater coil On/Off.

            3) Open the heater coil safety circuit breaker and short the heater coil.

            All monitored / controlled 10 to 20 times a second.

            That the control box uses mechanical relays instead of solid state relays tell me heaps about what can come out of the heater coil and that may F##k up a SSR.
            ,
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            You rightly say that mechanical relays have their advantages.

  • Andy Kumar

    Good job “Engineer” for seeing gold where most see a pile of sh** with their untrained eye. Brilliant minds at Stanford are trained to look for gold. I am sure your excellent “engineering” training helps you see things that others fail to see.
    .
    In the beginning was the plan.
    And then came the assumptions.
    And the assumptions were without form.
    And the plan was without substance. …….
    .
    http://ogun.stanford.edu/~bnayfeh/plan.html

  • Engineer48

    Hi HHiram,

    Rossi and others did the heavy lifting.

    Read Mats book.
    .

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    I think this is a great initiative. Obviously you have extensive engineering knowledge, so I believe you when you say you can build a DIY black box. If only it will work…

    I’ve seen many experiments fail or just succeed, but not with any high confidence or COP. It seems to me that laboratory LENR is, though difficult, possible but most researchers struggle with the control parameters and getting high COP. Something which may have to do with electromagnetic or RF stimulation that may be required for high COP and is not very well researched yet. So I hope you have figured out how to get high COP, but I am a bit doubtful.

    Having said that, I am glad that you will do this. I will be following your work closely and wish you all the luck you need and hope you will succeed at this. Who knows maybe your name will go down in history as the first man to deliver a working LENR device to mankind. We live in interesting times.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      Others including Rossi have already delivered that.

      His 28 Oct 2011 plant demo has never been seriously defeated. Mats book explains why each BlueCat and Tiger reactor has it’s own topping up pump and reactor water level sensor.

      No one does this for a scam but for a real operational reactor is it the only way to do it.
      .

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Hi E48,

        I’m with you in that Rossi seems the real deal. Also the COP=1 was busted very elegantly by yourself. So I imagine you have figured out much of the engineering part of the reactor.

        Now for physics: Can you elaborate how you think you will achieve high COP and fine control over the reaction?

        • Engineer48

          As attached.
          .

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            Well, you’ve got my vote. Looking forward to see what you can deliver in the future.

        • LuFong

          What I don’t understand is why all this “design” of boilers and hot water heaters. They’ve been around for centuries. One would think that an existing OEM would easily adapt a technology like Rossi’s to fit their product line. That’s how things work in the real world.

          Oh, yeah–the E-Cat is still not available. The only independent group that got their hands on one, and they themselves had a huge financial incentive to claim that it works and I wouldn’t even consider them truly independent, says it doesn’t. Maybe we are putting the cart before the horse?

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    I think this is a great initiative. Obviously you have extensive engineering knowledge, so I believe you when you say you can build a DIY black box. If only it will work…

    I’ve seen many experiments fail or just succeed, but not with any high confidence or COP. It seems to me that laboratory LENR is, though difficult, possible but most researchers struggle with the control parameters and getting high COP. Something which may have to do with electromagnetic or RF stimulation that may be required for high COP and is not very well researched yet. So I hope you have figured out how to get high COP, but I am a bit doubtful.

    Having said that, I am glad that you will do this. I will be following your work closely and wish you all the luck you need and hope you will succeed at this. Who knows maybe your name will go down in history as the first man to deliver a working LENR device to mankind. We live in interesting times.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Zed,

      Others including Rossi have already delivered that.

      His 28 Oct 2011 plant demo has never been seriously defeated. Mats book explains why each BlueCat and Tiger reactor has it’s own topping up pump and reactor water level sensor.

      No one does this for a scam but for a real operational reactor is it the only way to do it.
      .

      • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

        Hi E48,

        I’m with you in that Rossi seems the real deal. Also the COP=1 was busted very elegantly by yourself. So I imagine you have figured out much of the engineering part of the reactor.

        Now for physics: Can you elaborate how you think you will achieve high COP and fine control over the reaction?

        • Engineer48

          As attached.
          .

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            Well, you’ve got my vote. Looking forward to see what you can deliver in the future.

  • James Rice

    Seems to me that the best first step would be to put the first prototype in the hands of MFMP and get their test results. Their integrity is such that there should be a huge demand for your reactor if the results are positive.

    • Engineer48

      Hi James,

      For sure a totally independent Australian test lab will test and report on the reactor.
      .

    • Rene

      Indeed, let them run a proper, public, demonstration.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Rene,

        For sure and I 100% agree.
        .

  • James Rice

    Seems to me that the best first step would be to put the first prototype in the hands of MFMP and get their test results. Their integrity is such that there should be a huge demand for your reactor if the results are positive.

    • Engineer48

      Hi James,

      For sure a totally independent Australian test lab will test and report on the Black Box reactor kWt output and compliance to Australian product safety standard.

      No Black Box reactor public product offers will happen nor will orders be accepted before that test result is in hand. published AND product production is happening.

      There is no guarantee the Black Box Reactor product will be available as many issues that may be beyond my control may stop the availability.
      .

    • Rene

      Indeed, let them run a proper, public, demonstration.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Rene,

        For sure and I 100% agree.
        .

  • SG

    I suggest that you aim to replicate a QuarkX type configuration. Look closely at Rossi’s description of it. He has actually provided a healthy amount of information about it on his blog, from the dimensions of the quartz container (small) to the contents of the fuel.

    It might actually be an easier experiment to construct, test, and verify excess heat than a dogbone type configuration (which has suffered from all kinds of problems including melted wires, exploded alumina, and the like).

    • Engineer48

      Hi Sg,

      I have a reasonable good understand of how the QuarkX works.

      Imagine a transparent Black HotCat that has the prime output as totally thermaliseable photons and Em Fields. Here I mean who has ever seen a ECat reactor that was contained in a Sapphire tube?
      .

      • SG

        Yes, could very well be sapphire, as BG speculated:
        http://disq.us/p/196li3s

        Potential source of sapphire capillary tubes:

        http://www.crystals.saint-gobain.com/uploadedFiles/SG-Crystals/Documents/Sapphire_Tubes%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

        • Engineer48

          Hi Sg,

          I believe all Rossi Effect reactor work from thermalised photon and Em field output.

          What makes QuarkX different is low thermal mass and you can see the raw output.

          Then just slide over the Sapphire capillary tube a metal thermalisation tube and you have variable visible photon output or long wave IR thermalised output.

          Very elegant and simple. KISS LENR reactor engineering.

          • Mats002

            Ha-ha yes – if you are right the message is truly Keep It Simple Stupid! ^^

        • Bob Greenyer

          And in my next video, I will attempt to explain it and why I said that and how my thinking is consistent with other research and patents. It will not be expected.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      I’ve forgotten. Can the QuarkX be tweaked to give 100% electricity and no heat?

      • SG

        Electric energy up to 10%, at least as reported by Rossi at this time:

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/14/report-on-preliminary-findings-from-e-cat-quarkx-testing-posted-on-ecat-com/comment-page-3/

        Mr. Rossi has said that things have been improved since then (in terms of COP), so maybe electric out has also been improved.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Sg,

          Andrea told me to expect QuarkX production electrical output to be around 20% of thermal output.

          Which for my Remote Area / Disaster Relief plant design is really good news:

          http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/22/remote-area-disaster-relief-acdc-power-heated-air-warm-water-and-clean-water-e-cat-quarkx-system-concept-engineer48/

          Please note Andrea likes this plan and it is self powered as the QuarkX reactor electrical output charges the battery that powers the Dc to AC inverter that powers the QuarkX input.

          So the COP is infinite as was the 5.5 hours of SSM during the 28 Oct 2011 1MW plant test.

          Really amazes me that people think lengthy SSM was something that Andrea did when living at the 1 year test site. Sorry Rossi bashers but that is BS.

          SSM was there in 2011 and it was there in 2015/2016 in the IH built dual reactors. Which means IH knows to build SSM reactors. Wonder who taught them, gave them the IP, of how to do that?
          .
          .

          • Rene

            1. Stop with the ‘Rossi basher’ crap. Not called for.
            2. Yes, we all who have been through hthis 5-6 year adventure/entertainment know that SSM was being achieved, but at first is was a very low time: heat it up one hour then maybe SSM 1-5 hours, (different variations too).
            3. He recent claims of high SSM have all been noted – reasonable verification was supposed to be the ERV report. Oh dear! Can’t see it.
            4. Ability to have long SSM (by his own words) seems correlated with steady near constant load. Change the load too much and either approach meltdown (controls have to quench the reaction) or SSM fizzles because it got too cool.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rene,

            28 Oct 2011. 5.5 hours of no one touched the controls SSM at 490kWh/hr.
            That means nothing to you?

          • Rene

            It means this to me: in a carefully controlled set up with constant loading he ran SSM for 5.5 hours. In a varying situation it fails to maintain that length of time. Why else is he concentrating on commercial/industrial applications where load can be tightly controlled? It is a good strategy for now given the limitations.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rene,

            No matter the load, you do realise what 5.5 hour of 490kWh/h represents when there was NO heater current?

            Infinite COP.
            .

          • Rene

            Yes, it means a rather spectacular meltdown or a disappointing fizzle if you have a variable load and not the fancy (but incomplete) controls Rossi uses.

          • TVulgaris

            Therefore, even if only Leonardo comes out with anything soon, this offers a potentially MUCH bigger market for advanced storage technologies than anything else to date. Has Elon Musk made any serious moves in this field beyond informational inquiries? He might need to build another dozen Gigafactories…

          • Rene

            BTW, and I really mean this in a positive way, I am looking forward to your first LENR meltdown. It will be a definitive 3rd party replication.

          • TVulgaris

            A dead-simple engineering problem in load management- as I pointed out before, with local storage, this is the kind of system perfect for micro-grid distributed generation.

          • TVulgaris

            >Pointed out months ago, not in this or any recent thread.
            E48, you’re free to post any blue-sky vision (I’m a definite fan, especially of your shared CAD and sketches here)- but you can’t be surprised when people freak out on you for specific details, some of that reaction is justified.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Thanks SG and Engineer48.

            OK then. We’ll us it to heat air.
            http://www.prometheusturbine.info/flowchart_atomic_bomber.jpg

          • Alan Smith

            Hi Mark. Total Con. Save your Neurons.

          • psi2u2

            Me three.

            .

          • I think you need to fix the scheme in your figure: QuarkX Reactor ‘AC out’ should be ‘DC out’.

            Q:
            “Andreas Moraitis
            December 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM
            Dear Andrea Rossi,

            First of all, congratulations on your latest achievements! Could you perhaps tell us whether the E-Cat X is producing AC or DC?

            Best regards,
            Andreas Moraitis”

            A:
            “Andrea Rossi
            December 26, 2015 at 3:14 PM
            Andreas Moraitis:
            DC, that obviously can be inverted into AC with the inverters.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.”

          • Engineer48

            Hi Seppo,

            The output is AC as stated.

            Rossi later revised the statement you quoted.
            .

          • Any reference? What I quoted still stands on JoNP.

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        The reason I ask is: We can get teenagers interested in LENR if we could come up with something that moves fast. Seriously, we need to get young people interested in this before we become landfill (or ashes). So, retrofit these all electric R/C model airplanes with QuarkXs.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fO93Kg0q0

      • Rene

        no.

  • SG

    I suggest that you aim to replicate a QuarkX type configuration. Look closely at Rossi’s description of it. He has actually provided a healthy amount of information about it on his blog, from the dimensions of the quartz container (small) to the contents of the fuel.

    It might actually be an easier experiment to construct, test, and verify excess heat than a dogbone type configuration (which has suffered from all kinds of problems including melted wires, exploded alumina, and the like).

    • Engineer48

      Hi Sg,

      I have a reasonable good understand of how the QuarkX works.

      Imagine a transparent Black HotCat that has the prime output as totally thermaliseable photons and Em Fields. Here I mean who has ever seen a ECat reactor that was contained in a Sapphire tube?
      .

      • SG

        Yes, could very well be sapphire, as BG speculated:
        http://disq.us/p/196li3s

        Potential source of sapphire capillary tubes:

        http://www.crystals.saint-gobain.com/uploadedFiles/SG-Crystals/Documents/Sapphire_Tubes%20Data%20Sheet.pdf

        I thought Mr. Rossi had originally said quartz, but can no longer find that. Others (including you, apparently) speculate that it is a small sapphire capillary tube. I tend to think that is the case now as well.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Sg,

          I believe all Rossi Effect reactor work from thermalised photon and Em field output.

          What makes QuarkX different is low thermal mass and you can see the raw output.

          Then just slide over the Sapphire capillary tube a metal thermalisation tube and you have variable visible photon output or long wave IR thermalised output.

          Very elegant and simple. KISS LENR reactor engineering.

          • Mats002

            Ha-ha yes – if you are right the message is truly Keep It Simple Stupid! ^^

        • Bob Greenyer

          And in my next video, I will attempt to explain it and why I said that and how my thinking is consistent with other research and patents. It will not be expected.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      I’ve forgotten. Can the QuarkX be tweaked to give 100% electricity and no heat?

      • SG

        Electric energy up to 10%, at least as reported by Rossi at this time:

        http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/14/report-on-preliminary-findings-from-e-cat-quarkx-testing-posted-on-ecat-com/comment-page-3/

        Mr. Rossi has said that things have been improved since then (in terms of COP), so maybe electric out has also been improved.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Sg,

          Andrea told me to expect QuarkX production electrical output to be around 20% of thermal output.

          Which for my Remote Area / Disaster Relief plant design is really good news:

          http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/06/22/remote-area-disaster-relief-acdc-power-heated-air-warm-water-and-clean-water-e-cat-quarkx-system-concept-engineer48/

          Please note Andrea likes this plan and it is self powered as the QuarkX reactor electrical output charges the battery that powers the Dc to AC inverter that powers the QuarkX input.

          So the COP is infinite as was the 5.5 hours of SSM during the 28 Oct 2011 1MW plant test.

          Really amazes me that people think lengthy SSM was something that Andrea did when living at the 1 year test site. Sorry Rossi bashers but that is BS.

          SSM was there in 2011 and it was there in 2015/2016 in the IH built dual reactors. Which means IH knows to build SSM reactors. Wonder who taught them, gave them the IP, of how to do that?
          .
          .

          • Rene

            1. Stop with the ‘Rossi basher’ crap. Not called for.
            2. Yes, we all who have been through hthis 5-6 year adventure/entertainment know that SSM was being achieved, but at first is was a very low time: heat it up one hour then maybe SSM 1-5 hours, (different variations too).
            3. He recent claims of high SSM have all been noted – reasonable verification was supposed to be the ERV report. Oh dear! Can’t see it.
            4. Ability to have long SSM (by his own words) seems correlated with steady near constant load. Change the load too much and either approach meltdown (controls have to quench the reaction) or SSM fizzles because it got too cool.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rene,

            28 Oct 2011. 5.5 hours of no one touched the controls SSM at 490kWh/hr.
            That means nothing to you?

          • Rene

            It means this to me: in a carefully controlled set up with constant loading he ran SSM for 5.5 hours. In a varying situation it fails to maintain that length of time. Why else is he concentrating on commercial/industrial applications where load can be tightly controlled? It is a good strategy for now given the limitations.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rene,

            No matter the load, you do realise what 5.5 hour of 490kWh/h represents when there was NO heater current?

            Infinite COP.
            .

          • Rene

            Yes, it means a rather spectacular meltdown or a disappointing fizzle if you have a variable load and not the fancy (but incomplete) controls Rossi uses.

          • TVulgaris

            Therefore, even if only Leonardo comes out with anything soon, this offers a potentially MUCH bigger market for advanced storage technologies than anything else to date. Has Elon Musk made any serious moves in this field beyond informational inquiries? He might need to build another dozen Gigafactories…

          • Rene

            BTW, and I really mean this in a positive way, I am looking forward to your first LENR meltdown. It will be a definitive 3rd party replication.

          • TVulgaris

            A dead-simple engineering problem in load management- as I pointed out before, with local storage, this is the kind of system perfect for micro-grid distributed generation.

          • TVulgaris

            >Pointed out months ago, not in this or any recent thread.
            E48, you’re free to post any blue-sky vision (I’m a definite fan, especially of your shared CAD and sketches here)- but you can’t be surprised when people freak out on you for specific details, some of that reaction is justified.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Thanks SG and Engineer48.

            OK then. We’ll us it to heat air.
            http://www.prometheusturbine.info/flowchart_atomic_bomber.jpg

          • I think you need to fix the scheme in your figure: QuarkX Reactor ‘AC out’ should be ‘DC out’.

            Q:
            “Andreas Moraitis
            December 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM
            Dear Andrea Rossi,

            First of all, congratulations on your latest achievements! Could you perhaps tell us whether the E-Cat X is producing AC or DC?

            Best regards,
            Andreas Moraitis”

            A:
            “Andrea Rossi
            December 26, 2015 at 3:14 PM
            Andreas Moraitis:
            DC, that obviously can be inverted into AC with the inverters.
            Warm Regards,
            A.R.”

          • Engineer48

            Hi Seppo,

            The output is AC as stated.

            Rossi later revised the statement you quoted.
            .

          • Any reference? What I quoted still stands on JoNP.
            Edit: Found it (AC) here http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=132#comment-1201269

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        The reason I ask is: We can get teenagers interested in LENR if we could come up with something that moves fast. Seriously, we need to get young people interested in this before we become landfill (or ashes). So, retrofit these all electric R/C model airplanes with QuarkXs.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fO93Kg0q0

      • Rene

        no.

  • Engineer48

    Please understand that I HAVE NO INTENTION of delivering domestic capable LENR reactors.

    I will leave that to Leonardo Corp and its licensees.

    What I plan to deliver are LENR Black Box reactor modules that will enable DIYers to experiment with how to apply the excess heat to whatever application they desire and which will totally remove any commercial doubt about the reality of LENR excess heat.
    .

    • My2c

      Engineer48,
      since you plan to sell DIY kits, do you mind to let us know who you are (Your ‘real life’ name etc.)?
      I guess people who ident to buy such a kit would like to know with whom they deal.

      Will Frank buy and (live) test one of this kits, like he did with the Orbo?

    • f sedei

      In doing so, you will have finally opened the floodgates of the LENR generation. Congratulations in advance.

  • roseland67

    Congrats 48,

    My hopes are that you build it,
    Show excess heat,
    Publicize BOM, build instructions, & testing protocol, it gets replicated by multiple engineers, then I’ll retire and tell people
    “I knew you when”

  • Hey, Engineer48, I have a question for you that is about a different subject, if you are willing to answer. I have heard of this QEG machine that is being promoted by that chick calling herself HopeGirl and her Fix The World organization. I want to know if you have heard of it, before, and, if so, if you have an opinion on it. If you have not heard of it, however, and are interested, you can download the open-sourced plans to build one on this website:

    http://www.hopegirlblog.com/
    If you have trouble with that, let me know, and I’ll send you the .pdf file. I had a hard time understanding it, but I’m no expert, so that’s probably why. I would like to have the opinion of someone who knows more about it than me, but I’m having a hard time finding people who take it seriously.

    • Alan Smith

      Hi Mark. Total Con. Save your Neurons.

    • Zephir

      HopeGirl sells the plans of machine based on ancient Tesla patent, the principle of which she doesn’t understand. The consequence is unavoidable: I never saw her QED machine working and to generate overunity.

  • Alex

    Hi Engineer48,

    Will we be able to reload your black box with a new charge when the fuel runs out?

  • Jimr

    Eng48. I certainly wish you all the luck in the world, but it concerns me a little that you are announcing this before having a working model. Best of luck .

    • Engineer48

      Hi Jimr,

      That is how I play this game.
      Set the end goals and publicly announce them.
      Keeping quiet until everything is settled is now an accountant plays the game and with no risk.

      For me either you believe in the goal and move forward or you don’t believe in the goal and never move forward as you might not succeed.

  • Jimr

    Eng48. I certainly wish you all the luck in the world, but it concerns me a little that you are announcing this before having a working model. Best of luck .

    • Engineer48

      Hi Jimr,

      That is how I play this game.
      Set the end goals and publicly announce them.
      Keeping quiet until everything is settled is now an accountant plays the game and with no risk.

      For me either you believe in the goal and move forward or you don’t believe in the goal and never move forward as you might not succeed.

      • Cuthbert Allgood

        The problem with announcing results before you have them is that you’re creating the illusion of progress, when you’ve actually done absolutely nothing. There’s a reason that the vast majority of the most successful people in the world don’t announce what they’re doing before they’ve done it — because they’re too busy doing it.

        I don’t mean this to sound harsh, but you’re making this statement “this is how I play the game” as if you’re staking out a higher moral authority, when it’s actually a warning sign, as Jimr rightly points out.

        I have no skin the game either way — I’m a hopeful skeptic that something will pop out of all this confused smoke over the last (x) years. Just a little piece of advice from someone who’s gone around in a number of start-ups. The successful ones were always the quiet ones, because they were working their asses off. The ones who constantly talked about what they were doing… well, weren’t.

        This is just a humble observation: I see you post around here a lot, and when you’re talking about shipping DIY kits for $1000 to anyone who wants one, and you claim you’ve cracked the secret of something that **no one has demonstrably and reliably reproduced in human history**, and that’s without even having a working model — well, I think you might want to slow down the hype train.

        “For me either you believe in the goal and move forward or you don’t believe in the goal and never move forward as you might not succeed.”

        Indeed — but what does that have to do with all the talk, and lack of action? Note that announcing something is absolutely zero progress. You have done nothing substantive. You haven’t risked anything.

        Again, I’m not trying to be an ass here. By all means, move ahead with your plans and see what you can do. If you come up with something reproducible, it will (of course) be extremely interesting. But there is no virtue in announcing things before you have anything. Quite the opposite, in fact.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Cuthbert,

          What can I say but watch this space. Nothing will be offered for sale until all the necessary safety and performance certifications are in place.

          All this is just a teaser of what may eventuate.

          • Julio Ruben Vazquez Turnes

            Yes. I understand both points.

            It is true that E48 could end having a nonworking prototype. So announcing in advance may sound a bad idea.

            But think about it E48 after joining here is working hard providing us a lot of useful info.
            The previous anouncement is making him know the interest of this group in what he is planning to build.
            It makes sense to know if there is enough demand for it before doing the effort of building it.

            By the way E48 (i hope you like my abbreviature of your name) I want to make you a suggestion.
            I feel that people is having issues at replication most of the time due to the fuel mix. As you are now in close connection with Rossi due to the bussiness you are planing to have with him.
            Maybe it is a good idea to ask him to sell you the fuel mix (maybe not the last and improved version of it but one reliable to make the reactor run at COP>1) so you would only need to focus in the design.

            Kind regards.

          • Cuthbert Allgood

            > The previous anouncement is making him know the interest of this group in what he is planning to build.

            You seriously think that he needs data about whether there is any interest in purchasing a machine that provides near limitless energy and has never been publicly demonstrated? That has been teased for years and years by various people? That made Pons and Fleischmann overnight celebrities and then crushed them when they couldn’t actually make it work? That mainstream physicists generally regard as impossible?

            You think he needs data about whether there is any interest in a machine, where if it works, guarantees a Nobel Prize in your back pocket?

            Come on.

            Let’s be clear what he’s claiming: By reading one book, he suddenly claims that he cracked the secret that thousands, if not tens of thousands of full-blown physicists have been unable to crack. He “just knows” it’s going to work, without having *actually tried it*. Really roll that around: He’s announcing *pricing* for a miracle device that has never been reliably publicly demonstrated, and all he has is some Big Secret (that he hasn’t revealed), but admits he has produced no hardware, run no experiments and has no empirical validation.

            Rossi, if he has something, has spent years trying to tame the dragon of reliability, yet this guy has cracked the code.

            E48 seems like a sincere guy. But I’m concerned this might move into territory of sending money in advance. E48 will say he has no plans for that, but plans change when you think you’re going to be famous as the guy who gave the world The Big Secret.

            It’s 99.9% probable that he doesn’t have what he thinks he has, when no one else has what he thinks he has. Let’s take a deep breath and remember that it’s very easy to delude oneself.

    • roseland67

      Jimr,

      Some people are wound a little different, they need pressure to stay focused.

      A friend off mine, incredibly smart man,
      Technical whiz, has 10-20 patents, builds electronic widgets for multiple companies, monumentally anti social, retired at 52, never got out of high school.
      Sound familiar?
      Well anyway, he decided he wanted to learn how to fly, so he BOUGHT A PLANE,
      he bought a freakin airplane.
      What kind of a knucklehead would do that?

      Point being, he knew he could never learn as most people do, so the purchase of the plane made it an absolute necessity that he learn.
      He flies every week now.

      Wierd, I know, but these people are
      “a half a bubble off”

      Would be nice if 48 just bought the plane.

      • Cuthbert Allgood

        You’ll notice your buddy actually goes out and does things, rather than just talk about doing things. Buying a plane is possibly motivating for someone. Talking about doing something is motivating for very, very few people. The vast majority of very successful people never talk about what they’re doing until they do it. The vast majority of people who talk about what they’re going to do never do it.

        • roseland67

          Good,

          Well put

  • bfast

    When you can certify that you have working kits, I will buy one.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bfast,

      Noted as the 1st potential order.

      Talk to you later.
      .

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Ernest Moniz will have to wait.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          I’m Aussie but Google tells me what I need to know,
          ,

        • Navdrew

          Dr. Chu’s successor will keep the establishment very happy. Please don’t bother him.

      • Mark

        I’ll buy one. 600GBP seems pretty cheap

  • bfast

    When you can certify that you have working kits, I will buy one.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Bfast,

      Noted as the 1st potential order.

      Talk to you later.
      .

      • Alan DeAngelis

        Ernest Moniz will have to wait.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          I’m Aussie but Google tells me what I need to know about that gentleman.
          ,

        • Navdrew

          Dr. Chu’s successor will keep the establishment very happy. Please don’t bother him.

      • Mark

        I’ll buy one. 600GBP seems pretty cheap

  • Thomas Kaminski

    Good idea. Consider also a method of measuring the performance of the device for “tuning”. If you stick to heating water with it and not generating steam, the calorimetry would be pretty easy to do, so that people can experiment with improving the process. If steam is generated, a more complex meter (and expensive) is needed.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Thomas,

      Yup.

      60C hot water is very easy and fairly safe to measure.
      .

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Sign me up for a kit or two. I will donate one to the local technical college, too.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Thomas,

          Thanks. Noted.
          .

        • Hey, Disqus just added spoiler tags.

          • Frank Acland

            Thanks for the tip, LG — I hadn’t seen that. How do you make them work?

          • Just ‘spoiler’ tags before and after as if they were HTML.

          • Frank Acland

            Like this?

          • BINGO

          • Mats002

            Only one year to go then.

            Technology developments accelerates but the psychology of people when it comes to disruptive leeps is still the same as 1903.

          • Engineer48

            Here is how the energetic protons are generated in the Ni lattice (the COP 2 to 4 Mouse) that fire up the p + Li7 aneutronic fusion reaction (COP 57).

            Mouse COP = 4 x Cat COP = 57 = overall COP = 228. Understand now?

            Method for producing energy and apparatus therefor
            “Fusion by absorption in a matrix”
            https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2368252B1/en

            Add Piantelli’s detailed reaction description patent to Rossi’s fuel recipe patent with the Li and LiAlH4 added to the Ni, plus the p + Li7 aneutronic fusion reaction and you have it all.

            Or as Mats wrote. Finally this is possibly how the ECat works:
            https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/03/07/finally-this-is-possibly-how-the-e-cat-works/

            Well I suggest maybe a bit more than possibly!
            .

          • The Wikipedia post on Aneutronic Fusion is interesting. Should have read that before. Explains why Piantelli writes about lithium and boron in his patent.

          • Steve H

            Under “Methods for energy capture” – it also appears to explain the under-pinning theory for the production of light, heat and electricity, in AR’s Quark unit.

          • Right!

          • psi2u2

            Wow.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – and that is the basis for my SISOSIG video

            https://youtu.be/zMs2We34jXo

          • Steve H

            Hidden in plain view!
            They keep doing things like that. I think they call them books.

          • Axil Axil

            Lithium is not required in LENR. Robert Godes (Brillouin Energy Technologies, Inc.) posted as follows:

            about 3 months ago

            “That is quite funny when my IP was filed in 2006 before Rossi was even involved in LENR. Rossi by his own admission has studied it extensively taking about 100 pages of notes. I looked at Rossi’s IP and it does not teach anything. By the way I don’t use Li in my reactor cores. Only occasionally is Li used for diagnostics.”

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Correct.

            Li is not needed. Many pure NiH reactors prove that.

            However adding Li allows the energetic protons created by the NiH reaction to trigger ANOTHER high thermal gain fusion reaction, being p+Li7.
            .

          • Axil Axil

            How does the p+Li7 reaction get to Li6?

          • Steve H

            Hi E48 – Great info.
            You really seem to be developing an epic understanding for this stuff.
            Long may it continue.

          • Alan DeAngelis
          • Alan DeAngelis

            It was the first totally artificial transmutation.
            http://disq.us/p/d2lx60

          • Alan DeAngelis

            PS
            There could also be coupled chain reactions.

            H(1) + Li(7) > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV

            Al(27) + He(4) > Si(30) + H(1) 2.3722 MeV

            http://disq.us/p/vmubbm

          • Engineer48

            Hi Alan,

            Go team GO.

            MouseCat+ wins! We ALL win. Well maybe NOT IH.
            .

          • Alan DeAngelis

            PPS
            Even better with some Shostakovich.
            http://disq.us/p/wbbik8

          • Engineer48

            Hi Alan,

            That 15 Euro coin shows the safe & low temperature p+Li7 fusion reaction which will forever change the world.

            Of course powered by energetic protons leaving the Ni+H reaction.
            .

          • Engineer48

            Hi Arnie,

            Powered by a dual aneutronic fusion reactor where the 1st Ni+H reaction feeds the resultant energetic protons into the 2nd p+Li7 reaction.
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
            nuclide symbol Z(p) N(n) isotopic mass (u) half-life decaymode daughter isotope(s)
            58Ni 28 30 57.9353429(7) Observationally stable
            59Ni 28 31 58.9343467(7) 7.6(5)×104 y
            60Ni 28 32 59.9307864(7) Stable
            61Ni 28 33 60.9310560(7) Stable
            62Ni 28 34 61.9283451(6) Stable

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_copper
            58Cu 29 29 57.9445385(17) 3.204(7) s β+ 58Ni
            59Cu 29 30 58.9394980(8) 81.5(5) s β+ 59Ni
            60Cu 29 31 59.9373650(18) 23.7(4) min β+ 60Ni
            61Cu 29 32 60.9334578(11) 3.333(5) h β+ 61Ni
            62Cu 29 33 61.932584(4) 9.673(8) min β+ 62Ni

            The Nickel isotopes are stable but the copper are not.
            Ni+H works its way up the Nickel-Copper-Nickel chain to Ni62
            It is the time delay inherent in the Copper half lives that makes the whole work in a stable and controllable fashion.

          • I think Focardi’s hypotheses for the process went in this direction. Then at some point, the copper found in the ash was supposedly considered to be contamination, and this explanation was discarded, at least officially, by Rossi.

          • GiveADogABone

            Thanks for that Mats,
            The text below the copper and nickel isotope tables was written by :-
            by Dott. Giuliano Bettini
            Retired. Earlier: Selenia SpA, Rome and IDS SpA, Pisa
            Also Adjunct Professor at the University of Pisa
            Adjunct Professor at Naval Academy, Leghorn (Italian Navy)

            That Copper-Nickel chain explains so much that maybe Rossi tried to cover his tracks? You could stop the chain happening if you used NI62 in the fuel but then you lose the stabilizing effect of the Copper half-lives. Very hard to throw that hypothesis away. Also the article is from the JONP and dated April 2011.

  • Thomas Kaminski

    Good idea. Consider also a method of measuring the performance of the device for “tuning”. If you stick to heating water with it and not generating steam, the calorimetry would be pretty easy to do, so that people can experiment with improving the process. If steam is generated, a more complex meter (and expensive) is needed.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Thomas,

      Yup.

      60C hot water is very easy and fairly safe to measure.
      .

      • Thomas Kaminski

        Sign me up for a kit or two. I will donate one to the local technical college, too.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Thomas,

          Thanks. Noted.
          .

        • roseland67

          GREAT idea Dr. Kaminski

          Let’s hope 48 gets it operational, tested, verified and replicated

  • Bruce__H

    Sounds great! Congratulations on taking this initiative.

    Do you have a rough time frame for your first attempt at a working system?

  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    This is NOT happening tomorrow or the next day.

    There is a lot of shite to get through and many regulatory issues could kill the project. It is after all a NUCLEAR REACTOR.

    Never forget that some public servant may decide to make themselves the savior of the public exposure to dangerous LENR REACTORS. So YES any number of PUBLIC servants may step up to the wicket and declare their intent to use their powers to PROTECT the public.

    What I can say is the process will be done professionally and properly or it will not happen.
    .

    • SG

      That’s why we should never refer to it as a nuclear anything. Just like the MRI folks never referred to theirs as a nuclear magnetic resonance machine. Similar to how Skype never referred to their service as a telecommunications service. And similar to how distributed autonomous organizations (DAOs) don’t refer to themselves as corporations. We stand at the forefront of this technology and as a community, we get to define the terms. Anything but nuclear, please.

    • Bruce__H

      Do you need to bother with regulatory issues just to try out your design? Forget about marketing it until after you see if it works.

    • Don’t call it a nuclear reactor. Include a box on the side that’s labelled ‘fuel’ and refill it once in a while with some water or something. Then when you sell the devices, it will take the regulators a decade to realize that your box labelled ‘fuel’ has never really been refilled.

  • Jas

    If I bought one of your devices could I give it to a plumber/heating engineer and say pull out my existing boiler and install this one? Would it be that easy?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Jas,

      Sorry but not designed to do that.

      Please wait for the Leonardo domestic ECat product.
      .

      • Jas

        So I just need to buy Bob a plane ticket and pay him to hook it up to my central heating system?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Jas,

          NOT!
          .

  • Jas

    If I bought one of your devices could I give it to a plumber/heating engineer and say pull out my existing boiler and install this one? Would it be that easy?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Jas,

      Sorry but not designed to do that.

      Please wait for the Leonardo domestic ECat product.
      .

      • Jas

        So I just need to buy Bob a plane ticket and pay him to hook it up to my central heating system?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Jas,

          NOT!
          .

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Great to see another pioneer spring up.

    You really don’t have to do much more then create a working reactor. It clearly not that easy
    since Brillion has working devices, but they not public shared if they made progress of late.

    You really only need to create some kit that produces heat. At that point any skeptic can purchase one and try it out – when that happens its game over for the skeptic crowd.

    Like the computer industry that sprang up in the late 1970’s, there were “many” winners. Some
    made sound cards (eventually create labs “sound blaster” card became the industry
    standard. And Hayes modems again became the standard. And some made great money
    by starting up a chain of stores (xxx comes to mind).

    And remember, the “early” computers were Heath-kit computers that you assembled yourself.

    While many here would be excited over a kit – a demo of a working reactor would have people
    lined up by the 1000’s to purchase such a kit.

    Remember, it was the “idea” of even owning a computer that sold them. The idea of owning a working LENR device will spawn the imagination of 1000’s if not millions of people!
    You have a chance to make history here!
    Good luck – may the wind be in your sails!

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Engineer48

      Hi Albert,

      This may be age revealing but I was building 8008 4KB Intel single PCB computers when the Apple guys worked in their garage as I did.

      I actually convinced Gates to use a “Soft Bios” that my company had developed that loaded at boot time and modified the ROM loaded BIOS during a lunch at Comtex Las Vegas. In return we got DOS source that we put in ROM for almost instant DOS load. All back in the dark years of PCs.

      My God that was a LONG TIME AGO.

      Hey anybody remember Falcon DOS? I can tell an interesting story.
      .

      • Gerald

        Falcon dos I don’t have real memories of but my weird mind hit me with phoenix. Its almost four in the morning here, I’ll see if the mind dreams up some memories. already thanks Engineer48, funtimes when I was young playing with computers.

        • What is this all about? Did you do your own replication and got excess heat?

          Why again this secrecy? Publish all you know!

          You want science to believe that LENR is real? Then make science and publish your findings!

          We have MFMP, Looking for Heat and even more I don’t remember yet.
          And again there pops up a guy wanting to sell his findings…I don’t get it.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Barty,

            I have already talked with Alan. He will probably supply a lot of the components and have the Black Box Heater for sale.

            Currently looking at sapphire tubes for the fuel and sapphire rods that will allow my control system and me to directly observe the reaction.

            Early days yet but I can see the pathway and how it all stack together, how Rossi controls the BlueCat reactors including ensuring not a Joule of energy escapes the reactor unless it does desired work.

            In addition to reading Mats book, working out how the 51 x BlueCat reactors worked as a system and what that little PCB did was very important.

            Engineers don’t design stuff in unless there is a job it needs to do. The little PCB opened the door a little, Mats book and other data helped to open the door wide.
            .

          • Omega Z

            “Why again this secrecy?”
            Tell it to the scientists Barty. They all withhold R&D details.
            Funny thing though.
            Many of them are funded by the tax payers.

            Private individuals expect a return on their investments.

    • sam

      Robert E Godes said on Lenr forum that SRI would be presenting some of Brillouin work.
      He said they would have an up to
      day report at iccf 20 in Japan .

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Great to see another pioneer spring up.

    You really don’t have to do much more then create a working reactor. It clearly not that easy
    since Brillion has working devices, but they not public shared if they made progress of late.

    You really only need to create some kit that produces heat. At that point any skeptic can purchase one and try it out – when that happens its game over for the skeptic crowd.

    Like the computer industry that sprang up in the late 1970’s, there were “many” winners. Some
    made sound cards (eventually create labs “sound blaster” card became the industry
    standard. And Hayes modems again became the standard. And some made great money
    by starting up a chain of stores (xxx comes to mind).

    And remember, the “early” computers were Heath-kit computers that you assembled yourself.

    While many here would be excited over a kit – a demo of a working reactor would have people
    lined up by the 1000’s to purchase such a kit.

    Remember, it was the “idea” of even owning a computer that sold them. The idea of owning a working LENR device will spawn the imagination of 1000’s if not millions of people!
    You have a chance to make history here!
    Good luck – may the wind be in your sails!

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Engineer48

      Hi Albert,

      This may be age revealing but I was building 8008 4KB Intel single PCB computers when the Apple guys worked in their garage as I did.

      I actually convinced Gates to use a “Soft Bios” that my company had developed that loaded at boot time and modified the ROM loaded BIOS during a lunch at Comtex Las Vegas. In return we got DOS source that we put in ROM for almost instant DOS load. All back in the dark years of PCs.

      My God that was a LONG TIME AGO.

      Hey anybody remember Falcon DOS? I can tell an interesting story.
      .

      • Gerald

        Falcon dos I don’t have real memories of but my weird mind hit me with phoenix. Its almost four in the morning here, I’ll see if the mind dreams up some memories. already thanks Engineer48, funtimes when I was young playing with computers.

    • sam

      Robert E Godes said on Lenr forum that SRI would be presenting some of Brillouin work.
      He said they would have an up to
      day report at iccf 20 in Japan .

  • ak47

    E48, I assume you aren’t going to be selling these under a pseudonym?
    Can you share more of your experience and background in this area?
    You’ve alluded to it but, as in all such cases, people should do their
    own due diligence before spending money. Do you have an official CV or
    LinkedIn profile you can share? If not ,when will this info be available?

    • Engineer48

      Hi AK47,

      All revealed when the E48 Black Box LENR Reactor goes public, which means it has gained all the necessary Australian approvals.

      If that never happens, there will never be a product launch.
      .

      • Richard Hill

        Hi E48,
        I have had contact with an engineer involved with certification in Australia. He said that a device based on an unknown physical principle would NEVER be approved. I guess that is why Rossi insists that the known laws of physics are observed in his devices. You would have to get reputed professors of physics to agree that they are observed for certification purposes. I wonder if a reputable professor would agree that a “black box” with a COP>10 follows known laws of physics.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Richard,

          How does COP > 1 factor into any current certification?

          COP < 1 certification can easily be obtained as a Black Box electrical heater. But of course all product safety needs to be compliant, as it will be.
          .

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Maybe Brian Josephson could help (in comments here).
          http://coldfusionnow.org/michio-kaku-informed-on-new-developments-in-cold-fusion/

          “Nuclear and high energy physicists seem to be unaware of the fact that phenomena in materials are not always as reproducible as are phenomena in their field. Transistors are a good example of variability in solid state devices.”

          – Brian Josephson

        • DrD

          I would think quite a few australians already have heat pumps certified and in use. These have COP>>1, albeit no where near to 10. No magic there (COP>1 that is).

          • Hank Mills

            As far as I remember, no.

            What we need are more experimenters like Me356 who are willing to perform daily testing. My feeling is that fuel prep is the number one key factor. We don’t know what factors are most important when it comes to fuel prep. My guess is that it is a combination of surface texture, surface cleanliness, and hydrogenation. EM stimulation won’t do anything if the fuel is not optimized.

          • Engineer48

            Thanks to Frank, you all are with me on this journey.

            What I learn, what I think that means, now I intend to implement what I learn and workout and finally build and test will be shared via this thread.

            This will be as public or more as MFMP does.

            I do believe I can make a LENR reactor work and work very well. Why? Because I can stand on the shoulders of those who went before and if what I discover and share via this thread can help others, well they are welcomed to use that information and to stand on my shoulders if that helps them to see further down the road.
            .

          • georgehants

            Engineer48, it seems that you are going to an awful lot of effort for nothing, in a reply to me below,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada
            Assures me that there is open, published, repeatable, data that would allow you to immediately follow and repeatably show a COP of above 1.
            I have asked him to kindly put up a link to this information that you seem to have missed.

          • Albert D. Kallal

            I said nothing about plans or a recipe that you can follow – and your context and statement never was limited to such a narrow context.

            What I said is there are rather good independent tests of LENR devices producing heat.
            Brilllion and their SRI tests are such an example.

            The skeptical physicist provided by the American Physics Society for the 60 minutes “cold fusion is hot again” piece also has a great example of someone who looked into LENR and visited a lab I Israel – this physicist again concluded that LENR was real and
            not some measuring artifact.

            So your claim or statement said nothing about a recipe that one can follow.

            Regards,
            Albert D. Kallal
            Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • ak47

    E48, I assume you aren’t going to be selling these under a pseudonym?
    Can you share more of your experience and background in this area?
    You’ve alluded to it but, as in all such cases, people should do their
    own due diligence before spending money. Do you have an official CV or
    LinkedIn profile you can share? If not ,when will this info be available?

    • Engineer48

      Hi AK47,

      All revealed when the E48 Black Box LENR Reactor goes public, which means it has gained all the necessary Australian approvals.

      If that never happens, there will never be a product launch.
      .

      • Richard Hill

        Hi E48,
        I have had contact with an engineer involved with certification in Australia. He said that a device based on an unknown physical principle would NEVER be approved. I guess that is why Rossi insists that the known laws of physics are observed in his devices. You would have to get reputed professors of physics to agree that they are observed for certification purposes. I wonder if a reputable professor would agree that a “black box” with a COP>10 follows known laws of physics.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Richard,

          How does COP > 1 factor into any current certification?

          COP < 1 certification can easily be obtained as a Black Box electrical heater. But of course all product safety needs to be compliant, as it will be.
          .

        • Alan DeAngelis

          Maybe Brian Josephson could help (in comments here).
          http://coldfusionnow.org/michio-kaku-informed-on-new-developments-in-cold-fusion/

          “Nuclear and high energy physicists seem to be unaware of the fact that phenomena in materials are not always as reproducible as are phenomena in their field. Transistors are a good example of variability in solid state devices.”

          – Brian Josephson

        • DrD

          I would think quite a few australians already have heat pumps certified and in use. These have COP>>1, albeit no where near to 10. No magic there (COP>1 that is).

  • Steve H

    E48,
    Best wishes and good luck.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Steve,

      Thanks.
      .

  • Steve H

    E48,
    Best wishes and good luck.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Steve,

      Thanks.
      .

  • Engineer48

    Hi Cuthbert,

    What can I say but watch this space. Nothing will be offered for sale until all the necessary safety and performance certifications are in place.

    All this is just a teaser of what may eventuate.

    • Julio Ruben Vazquez Turnes

      Yes. I understand both points.

      It is true that E48 could end having a nonworking prototype. So announcing in advance may sound a bad idea.

      But think about it E48 after joining here is working hard providing us a lot of useful info.
      The previous anouncement is making him know the interest of this group in what he is planning to build.
      It makes sense to know if there is enough demand for it before doing the effort of building it.

      By the way E48 (i hope you like my abbreviature of your name) I want to make you a suggestion.
      I feel that people is having issues at replication most of the time due to the fuel mix. As you are now in close connection with Rossi due to the bussiness you are planing to have with him.
      Maybe it is a good idea to ask him to sell you the fuel mix (maybe not the last and improved version of it but one reliable to make the reactor run at COP>1) so you would only need to focus in the design.

      Kind regards.

  • LukeDC

    E48 We have been experimenting in WA on and off for a couple of years

    • Engineer48

      Hi Luke,

      Struth mate. Take 2 Bex every 2 hours and trust it goes yonder.
      .

  • LukeDC

    E48 We have been experimenting in WA on and off for a couple of years. I should add that we have not been able to replicate Rossi’s results. Our designs have mostly been rudimentary. I look forward to seeing your progress

  • Hi Engineer48, If you want a good chat platform may I recommend the free version of slack.

    see here for more information: http://tinyurl.com/zsptcj8

    I use slack for my eestor community and it’s fantastic. great tools and easy to operate. 170 members and growing.

    An easy way to trade files, documents and ideas.

  • Engineer48

    Please understand there is no reason to do a halfway job.

    A reactor that draws nice COP diagrams is useful to how many people?

    A reactor that heats water or air and reduces utility bills is useful to how many people?

    Point here is how you start needs to be determined by how you intend to finish and that finish goal need to be stated before you start, so all know the end goal.
    .

  • Engineer48

    Please understand there is no reason to do a halfway job.

    A reactor that draws nice COP diagrams is useful to how many people?

    A reactor that heats water or air and reduces utility bills is useful to how many people?

    Point here is how you start needs to be determined by how you intend to finish and that finish goal need to be stated before you start, so all know the end goal.
    .

  • SG

    That’s why we should never refer to it as a nuclear anything. Just like the MRI folks never referred to theirs as a nuclear magnetic resonance machine. Similar to how Skype never referred to their service as a telecommunications service. And similar to how distributed autonomous organizations (DAOs) don’t refer to themselves as corporations. We stand at the forefront of this technology and as a community, we get to define the terms. Anything but nuclear, please.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    E48, I have been following this story for over five years and when you say your can build LENR reactors and be satisfied to “sell 1,000 kits at $1,000 each, well I’ll be very happy that I made a good return AND THAT LENR WILL NEVER BE SURPRESSED” (my emphasis) it is music to my ears. It is also very encouraging you have agreed to respect Rossi and give him all the credit he deserves for doing the “hard lifting”. Please cooperate with MFMP and their open source agenda.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    E48, I have been following this story for over five years and when you say your can build LENR reactors and be satisfied to “sell 1,000 kits at $1,000 each, well I’ll be very happy that I made a good return AND THAT LENR WILL NEVER BE SURPRESSED” (my emphasis) it is music to my ears. It is also very encouraging you have agreed to respect Rossi and give him all the credit he deserves for doing the “hard lifting”. Please cooperate with MFMP and their open source agenda. Thanks.

  • JohnOman

    I’m a semi-retired EE with 30+ years of process control experience. I’m available to help…
    If you don’t need the help and are ready to guarantee some reasonable level of COP results in the near term, I have $1K ready for a kit.

  • I’m a semi-retired EE with 30+ years of process control experience. I’m available to help…
    If you don’t need the help and are ready to guarantee some reasonable level of COP results in the near term, I have $1K ready for a kit.

  • Zephir

    HopeGirl sells the plans of machine based on ancient Tesla patent, the principle of which she doesn’t understand. The consequence is unavoidable: I never saw her QED machine working and to generate overunity.

  • SD

    E48: Have you actually already made a device and measured a high COP?

  • SD

    E48: Have you actually already made a device and measured a high COP?

  • What is this all about? Did you do your own replication and got excess heat?

    Why again this secrecy? Publish everything you know!

    You want science to believe that LENR is real? Then MAKE science and publish your findings!

    We have MFMP, Looking for Heat and even more I don’t remember yet, which are all hot to replicate what you found out!

    But instead, yet again a strange guy pops up wanting to sell his findings…I don’t get it.

    If you want to make a lot of money, publish your findings. You will get the noble prize for that. And a part of the prize are a few million $.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Barty,

      I have already talked with Alan. He will probably supply a lot of the components and have the Black Box Heater for sale.

      Currently looking at sapphire tubes for the fuel and sapphire rods that will allow my control system and me to directly observe the reaction.

      Early days yet but I can see the pathway and how it all stack together, how Rossi controls the BlueCat reactors including ensuring not a Joule of energy escapes the reactor unless it does desired work.

      In addition to reading Mats book, working out how the 51 x BlueCat reactors worked as a system and what that little PCB did was very important.

      Engineers don’t design stuff in unless there is a job it needs to do. The little PCB opened the door a little, Mats book and other data helped to open the door wide.
      .

    • Omega Z

      “Why again this secrecy?”
      Tell it to the scientists Barty. They all withhold R&D details.
      Funny thing though.
      Many of them are funded by the tax payers.

      Private individuals expect a return on their investments.

  • DrD

    Hi Eng.
    It’s using the “Rossi effect”?
    If so how do you avoid contravening the patents?

  • DrD

    Hi Eng.
    It’s using the “Rossi effect”?
    If so how do you avoid contravening the patents?

  • Guru Khalsa

    Best of luck in this endeavor.
    You’ll know you’re getting close when you’re are branded a liar and a crook.

  • Guru Khalsa

    Best of luck in this endeavor.
    You’ll know you’re getting close when you’re are branded a liar and a crook.

  • georgehants

    Engineer48, Well the sentiments that you express in your post cannot (I think) be faulted.
    When many more people begin to think in the way you describe this sad World may begin to advance.
    Look forward to the first time that you report on these pages that you have succeeded in producing a device that is openly, repeatably, showing a COP above 1 that others can confirm.
    Best wishes

    • Albert D. Kallal

      You would of course become the first person in the World to do so.

      You mean showing a COP > 1?

      Are you kidding me?

      Brillouin has on their site independent tests from Stanford Research Institute with COP’s over 3.

      Dr. Hagalson from MIT gives working NANOR’s to their students everyone in his cold fusion 101 course – they all produce COP’s > 1

      The idea here that no one’s had independent tests of devices showing a COP > 1 is beyond silly.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • georgehants

        Albert., I wrote —–
        “that is openly, repeatably, showing a COP above 1 ”
        are you suggesting that MFMP, Engineer 48, etc are stupid and unable to follow open, published instructions to repeat.
        Perhaps you could help by showing them a link to where to find this published, open, repeatable work that you insist is available.

        • DrD

          Heat pumps have been doing it for decades. Cops are consistent and COP>2 is fairly conservative, COP=4 is possible, depending on how they are used.

          • georgehants

            DrD, please not off-topic rubbish, the Topic on this Website is Cold Fusion and the effort to show a reliable repeatable Cop of above 1, meaning over-unity.
            Please, if you also think that is openly available put up the link for everybody to simply follow, as it would prove Cold Fusion has been openly cracked.

          • DrD

            Hello George.
            definitely not off topic.
            Google it. “heat pumps”.
            They are available off the shelf.
            First ones built around 1750 I think but not sold commercially till the 1940’s
            I prefer LENR and AR is well on the way but to be competitive you need a COP > 2, otherwise why not just buy a heat pump. To be fair they do have disadvantages (like noise and bulk) which the E-CAT (or other) LENR may not suffer from so E-Cat might still have the edge even with a COP as low as 2.
            i’m sure Eng48 will be looking at a COP>>6 so he’s no problem there.
            You won’t get electric or steam out of them but hot air and water are possible. can be run from electric or gas.

          • georgehants

            DrD, no wonder science and the World is in such a mess.
            Just put up the Truth, you cannot link to an open repeatable Website where one can follow the data and consistently achieve Cold Fusion with a COP above 1.
            If you can put up the bloody link.

          • DrD

            Heat pumps don’t use cold fusion But they do have COP>>1.
            Even the E-cat may not be fusion it might be isotopic change which also occurs naturally. Personally I think it is fusion but lets see what Andreas theory is when it’s realeased.
            Since you asked:
            http://www.idealprice.co.uk/compare.html?q=Heat-Pumps&ort=Heat-Pumps-Sale&adid=iaCkp56qyJKmYLHX0KGlWdDNoHmXlNWPs6afo9SI1m6ZlNbViZSalNOfqw%3D%3D&baa=H&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ak_Niche_90_plus_2015_041215_H_3&utm_term=%2BHeat%20%2BPumps&utm_content=Heat%20Pumps

          • georgehants

            DrD more circular crap, who do you think you are talking too, some poor student that has to be taught not to question his tutor.
            If you are correct in your opinion, put up the bloody Website link or retract.

          • DrD

            I think you meant “to” George.
            You have the link, read it. If you want more, then google it yourself, there’s plenty around.

          • georgehants

            I think we can take that answer, as you cannot put up a link showing your argument to be correct.
            That shows clearly that you are wrong but will not admit it.
            Good bye.

          • DrD
          • georgehants

            When people read this string, hopefully your colleagues will see the ridiculous lengths you have gone to, to avoid admitting you are completely in error regarding Cold Fusion, I think the laughter will deafening.

          • DrD

            What error? I’ve told you repeateadly, heat pumps don’t use cold fusion but they do have COP>>1 so what’s your problem?
            E-Cat probably does use cold fusion but maybe it doesn’t, but so what, it’s just as good even if it’s only based on istopic shift.
            You clearly haven’t followed the links.
            Here’s another one that explains it (one type).
            http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/renewable-energy/heat/ground-source-heat-pumps
            I’m out of this.

          • georgehants

            DrD, heat pumps are not Cold Fusion, you started in your disagreement to my post that you can read above.
            Simply put up a link to a description of procedure that MFMP or Engineer48 or anybody can follow to repeatably achieve a Cold Fusion COP above I and I will immediately apologise and admit my error.

          • DrD

            No George.
            That isn’t what you wrote.
            Look again.
            There was no mention of LENR in your challenge.

          • georgehants

            DrD if that is your last resort defense of your terrible errors, that you could mistake my clear reply to Engineer48 who’s only concern is to find a repeatable Cold Fusion experiment above COP1, I feel very sad for you.
            I have continually repeated that I am on this Cold Fusion page talking about Cold Fusion and you have ignored it on every occasion.
            Have enjoyed this laughable chat but time to move on to sanity again.
            Best

          • DrD

            Sorry I thought you were interested in free or low cost energy for the poor.
            My mistake there.
            Well my interest is in low cost or free energy for all no matter what the mechanism.
            So now we understand each other.

          • OT: A couple of new lawyers from that new law firm representing Leonardo added to the case.

            One is named Porpoise! And the other’s middle name is Dewey!

            D. Porpoise Evans
            Paul Dewey Turner

            http://pbyalaw.com/professionals/

          • Eyedoc

            HeHe ! what entertainment……..

          • Fernando Aran ( a Cuban-American Boy Scout with a doctorate from Georgetown Law School!) added as attorney for J.M. Products, Inc., Henry Johnson, United States Quantum Leap, LLC.

            Interesting that USQL (Fabiani) would piggyback on JMP’s/Johnson’s lawyer. Guess we know where Fulvio stands.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Yes, in Bob Greener’s recent video he cited a Canon patent that make exactly that claim. You follow their patent and they claim repeatable results. And yes they are looking to gleam ideas from such patents.

          And as noted, my apologies – you did have a specific context and restriction in your claim. It was not that LENR been repeated (that’s a given as I pointed out).

          You were asking if a cook book or patent that claims repeatability exits – Bob Greener cited that patent in one of his recent videos.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • georgehants

    Engineer48, Well the sentiments that you express in your post cannot (I think) be faulted.
    When many more people begin to think in the way you describe this sad World may begin to advance.
    Look forward to the first time that you report on these pages that you have succeeded in producing a device that is openly, repeatably, showing a COP above 1 that others can confirm, no certification necessary to publish your findings only for when you choose to sell them.
    You would of course become the first person in the World to do so.
    Best wishes

    • Albert D. Kallal

      You would of course become the first person in the World to do so.

      You mean showing a COP > 1?

      Are you kidding me?

      Brillouin has on their site independent tests from Stanford Research Institute with COP’s over 3.

      Dr. Hagalson from MIT gives working NANOR’s to their students everyone in his cold fusion 101 course – they all produce COP’s > 1

      The idea here that no one’s had independent tests of devices showing a COP > 1 is beyond silly.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • georgehants

        Albert., I wrote —–
        “that is openly, repeatably, showing a COP above 1 ”
        are you suggesting that MFMP, Engineer 48, etc are daft and unable to follow open, published instructions to repeat.
        Perhaps you could help by showing them a link to where to find this published, open, repeatable work that you insist is available, it would certainly help in their efforts.
        I think Admin would be more than happy to put up a Topic page with your link for everybody to simply copy for producing repeatable, over COP1 devices.

        • DrD

          Heat pumps have been doing it for decades. Cops are consistent and COP>2 is fairly conservative, COP=4 is possible, depending on how they are used.

          • georgehants

            DrD, please not off-topic rubbish, the Topic on this Website is Cold Fusion and the effort to show a reliable repeatable Cop of above 1, meaning over-unity.
            Please, if you also think that is openly available put up the link for everybody to simply follow, as it would prove Cold Fusion has been openly cracked.

          • DrD

            Hello George.
            definitely not off topic.
            Google it. “heat pumps”.
            They are available off the shelf.
            First ones built around 1750 I think but not sold commercially till the 1940’s
            I prefer LENR and AR is well on the way but to be competitive you need a COP > 2, otherwise why not just buy a heat pump. To be fair they do have disadvantages (like noise and bulk) which the E-CAT (or other) LENR may not suffer from so E-Cat might still have the edge even with a COP as low as 2.
            i’m sure Eng48 will be looking at a COP>>6 so he’s no problem there.
            You won’t get electric or steam out of them but hot air and water are possible. can be run from electric or gas.

          • georgehants

            DrD, no wonder science and the World is in such a mess.
            Just put up the Truth, you cannot link to an open repeatable Website where one can follow the data and consistently achieve Cold Fusion with a COP above 1.
            If you can put up the bloody link.

          • DrD

            Heat pumps don’t use cold fusion But they do have COP>>1.
            Even the E-cat may not be fusion it might be isotopic change which also occurs naturally. Personally I think it is fusion but lets see what Andreas theory is when it’s realeased.
            Since you asked:
            http://www.idealprice.co.uk/compare.html?q=Heat-Pumps&ort=Heat-Pumps-Sale&adid=iaCkp56qyJKmYLHX0KGlWdDNoHmXlNWPs6afo9SI1m6ZlNbViZSalNOfqw%3D%3D&baa=H&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ak_Niche_90_plus_2015_041215_H_3&utm_term=%2BHeat%20%2BPumps&utm_content=Heat%20Pumps

          • georgehants

            DrD more circular crap, who do you think you are talking too, some poor student that has to be taught not to question his tutor.
            If you are correct in your opinion, put up the bloody Website link or retract.

          • DrD

            I think you meant “to” George.
            You have the link, read it. If you want more, then google it yourself, there’s plenty around.

          • georgehants

            I think we can take that answer, as you cannot put up a link showing your argument to be correct.
            That shows clearly that you are wrong but will not admit it.
            Good bye.

          • DrD
          • georgehants

            When people read this string, hopefully your colleagues will see the ridiculous lengths you have gone to, to avoid admitting you are completely in error regarding Cold Fusion, I think the laughter will be deafening.

          • DrD

            What error? I’ve told you repeateadly, heat pumps don’t use cold fusion but they do have COP>>1 so what’s your problem?
            E-Cat probably does use cold fusion but maybe it doesn’t, but so what, it’s just as good even if it’s only based on istopic shift.
            You clearly haven’t followed the links.
            Here’s another one that explains it (one type).
            http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/renewable-energy/heat/ground-source-heat-pumps
            I’m out of this.

          • georgehants

            DrD, heat pumps are not Cold Fusion, you started in your disagreement to my post that you can read above.
            Simply put up a link to a description of procedure that MFMP or Engineer48 or anybody can follow to repeatably achieve a Cold Fusion COP above I and I will immediately apologise and admit my error.

          • DrD

            No George.
            That isn’t what you wrote.
            Look again.
            There was no mention of LENR in your challenge.

          • georgehants

            DrD if that is your last resort defense of your terrible errors, that you could mistake my clear reply to Engineer48 who’s only concern is to find a repeatable Cold Fusion experiment above COP1, I feel very sad for you.
            I have continually repeated that I am on this Cold Fusion page talking about Cold Fusion and you have ignored it on every occasion.
            Have enjoyed this laughable chat but time to move on to sanity again.
            Best

          • DrD

            Sorry I thought you were interested in free or low cost energy for the poor.
            My mistake there.
            Well my interest is in low cost or free energy for all no matter what the mechanism.
            So now we understand each other.

        • Albert D. Kallal

          Yes, in Bob Greener’s recent video he cited a Canon patent that make exactly that claim. You follow their patent and they claim repeatable results. And yes they are looking to gleam ideas from such patents.

          And as noted, my apologies – you did have a specific context and restriction in your claim. It was not that LENR been repeated (that’s a given as I pointed out).

          You were asking if a cook book or patent that claims repeatability exits – Bob Greener cited that patent in one of his recent videos.

          Regards,
          Albert D. Kallal
          Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • How about some pictures and data before collecting money?

  • How about showing some pictures and data before collecting money?

  • Freethinker

    How about you explaining about them GOLD NUGGETS that will give that oversized COP, that everyone else who read the book apparently have failed to identify.

    • Hi Freethinker,

      that’s what I said a few comments below.

      Engineer48 is coming from nowhere and everyone believes him.

      A few comments back E48 also claimed he convinced Bill Gates to make some important decisions back in the 80’s when he started Microsoft:
      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/ecw/gold_from_mats_lewan8217s_impossible_invention_book_engineer48/#comment-2850562772

      Can we believe this guy??
      Why can he not simply describe what he did with his reactor (if one exists)?

      Or is this just a campaign to clear the stocks of Mats’ book?

      • sam

        You can purchase Mats book
        kindle edition for $7.59.
        Engineer 48 got a bargain.

      • Freethinker

        Barty, I do not know.

        It is hard to give away trust in this subject. I do not believe people who just talk and make no effort of proving things. I find the claims in this article slightly nebulous, as I have too read that book – a good book, mind you – but found nothing that was not known before that would make a difference in my reproduction attempts.

        But I am not perfect. Maybe he has found some lines where the wording is telling. Just saying, like yourself, that he’d be better of explaining what he think he has found, and showing data of own reproductions with high COP, because his claims at this point are slightly ludicrous.

        I for one will not buy any “kit” from that engineer. At current standing I would advise other against doing it too.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Engineer48 is coming
        from nowhere and everyone believes him.

        Does everyone? I see nothing of the such. Boy, did you have a bad cup of coffee today? Why such a sour puss?

        Engineer48 only claimed he has a good idea and believes he can make a working reactor. Nothing more, nothing less.

        And I don’t think he’s coming from nowhere.

        Engineer48 simply thinks he has a good idea how to make LENR work, and also has the knowledge to put that idea into existence.

        Why would not everyone wish such an endeavor with open arms?

        The idea that people are reading this and someone thinks that a claim of a working device has been made here is beyond laughable!

        Engineer48 clearly has considerable engineering and control experience – a set of skills PERFECT for such an endeavor.

        He done or said nothing in ANY regards that suggests he has a working reactor.

        Let Engineeer48 rise or fall based on what he believes.

        At least he doing something about LENR in place of us here drinking coffee and throwing rocks at ECW.

        Heck, I also know a bunch of people – might have to consider building one myself!

        And if he produces a working LENR device – then just buy one.

        Passion, dreaming combined with skills and knowledge is quite much the key to any success in life. Engineer48 has this PERFECT set of skills. And might as well do something “useful” with all that time he’s spent on ECW.

        Engineer48 is at the talking stage – don’t think anyone sees anything beyond that position.

        However, I will say that among the readers here, if someone was going to achieve results, then my first bets would be Engineer48.

        As Bob Greener pointed out, it not easy, but then again, let the chips fall where they may. And Bob’s answer is perfect – he would be glad to test one in public!

        I wish Engineer48 all the best – that does not mean I assume he already has some reactor. And it does not mean I assume he will succeed. However, you don’t try, then you achieve nothing in life.

        This announcement is more about life, and those who take action vs those who wine and do nothing. You can feel the passion and excitement of Engineer48. So while most get up and go to some crap job that they don’t like?

        I willing to bet Engineer48 cannot wait to get up everyday – I willing to bet that having to sleep will be a “pain” and something that simply interferes with his goals, and passion in life.

        Get out of bed – smell the roses – make your life matter. Engineer48 is saying that drinking coffee and posting on ECW is not enough! Good for him!

        This story is really not about LENR – it is about the fundamentally difference between people that do things, and those that don’t.

        The only proof will be working reactors and I don’t think anyone would assume anything more than a person being at the idea stage at this point in time.

        The simple matter is that like when the computer industry started up – a relative small investment of time and knowledge could yield you huge fortunes. And if fortune is not what you chasing – changing the world for the better is a great and noble cause – I see nothing but positive outcomes from this endeavor on Engineer48’s part.

        At this point we have nothing more than someone who has an idea.

        But MORE important the person is taking action! – that’s the real story here!
        Exactly where is the negative and downside here? This persons actions has the potential to change the world – what’s your story today when you get out of bed?

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Engineer48
  • Freethinker

    How about you explaining about them GOLD NUGGETS that will give that oversized COP, that everyone else who read the book apparently have failed to identify.

    • Hi Freethinker,

      that’s what I said a few comments below.

      Engineer48 is coming from nowhere and everyone believes him.

      A few comments back E48 also claimed he convinced Bill Gates to make some important decisions back in the 80’s when he started Microsoft:
      https://disqus.com/home/discussion/ecw/gold_from_mats_lewan8217s_impossible_invention_book_engineer48/#comment-2850562772

      Can we believe this guy??
      Why can he not simply describe what he did with his reactor (if one exists)?

      Or is this just a campaign to clear the stocks of Mats’ book?

      • sam

        You can purchase Mats book
        kindle edition for $7.59.
        Engineer 48 got a bargain.

      • Freethinker

        Barty, I do not know.

        It is hard to give away trust in this subject. I do not believe people who just talk and make no effort of proving things. I find the claims in this article slightly nebulous, as I have too read that book – a good book, mind you – but found nothing that was not known before that would make a difference in my reproduction attempts.

        But I am not perfect. Maybe he has found some lines where the wording is telling. Just saying, like yourself, that he’d be better of explaining what he think he has found, and showing data of own reproductions with high COP, because his claims at this point are slightly ludicrous.

        I for one will not buy any “kit” from that engineer. At current standing I would advise other against doing it too.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Engineer48 is coming
        from nowhere and everyone believes him.

        Does everyone? I see nothing of the such. Boy, did you have a bad cup of coffee today? Why such a sour puss?

        Engineer48 only claimed he has a good idea and believes he can make a working reactor. Nothing more, nothing less.

        And I don’t think he’s coming from nowhere.

        Engineer48 simply thinks he has a good idea how to make LENR work, and also has the knowledge to put that idea into existence.

        Why would not everyone wish such an endeavor with open arms?

        The idea that people are reading this and someone thinks that a claim of a working device has been made here is beyond laughable!

        Engineer48 clearly has considerable engineering and control experience – a set of skills PERFECT for such an endeavor.

        He done or said nothing in ANY regards that suggests he has a working reactor.

        Let Engineeer48 rise or fall based on what he believes.

        At least he doing something about LENR in place of us here drinking coffee and throwing rocks at ECW.

        Heck, I also know a bunch of people – might have to consider building one myself!

        And if he produces a working LENR device – then just buy one.

        Passion, dreaming combined with skills and knowledge is quite much the key to any success in life. Engineer48 has this PERFECT set of skills. And might as well do something “useful” with all that time he’s spent on ECW.

        Engineer48 is at the talking stage – don’t think anyone sees anything beyond that position.

        However, I will say that among the readers here, if someone was going to achieve results, then my first bets would be Engineer48.

        As Bob Greener pointed out, it not easy, but then again, let the chips fall where they may. And Bob’s answer is perfect – he would be glad to test one in public!

        I wish Engineer48 all the best – that does not mean I assume he already has some reactor. And it does not mean I assume he will succeed. However, you don’t try, then you achieve nothing in life.

        This announcement is more about life, and those who take action vs those who wine and do nothing. You can feel the passion and excitement of Engineer48. So while most get up and go to some crap job that they don’t like?

        I willing to bet Engineer48 cannot wait to get up everyday – I willing to bet that having to sleep will be a “pain” and something that simply interferes with his goals, and passion in life.

        Get out of bed – smell the roses – make your life matter. Engineer48 is saying that drinking coffee and posting on ECW is not enough! Good for him!

        This story is really not about LENR – it is about the fundamentally difference between people that do things, and those that don’t.

        The only proof will be working reactors and I don’t think anyone would assume anything more than a person being at the idea stage at this point in time.

        The simple matter is that like when the computer industry started up – a relative small investment of time and knowledge could yield you huge fortunes. And if fortune is not what you chasing – changing the world for the better is a great and noble cause – I see nothing but positive outcomes from this endeavor on Engineer48’s part.

        At this point we have nothing more than someone who has an idea.

        But MORE important the person is taking action! – that’s the real story here!
        Exactly where is the negative and downside here? This persons actions has the potential to change the world – what’s your story today when you get out of bed?

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Engineer48
    • reader22b

      He explained it to Bob of MFMP in the comments below, complete with pictures. He is seeing that Rossi monitors EMF feedback to control the reaction, not just temperature.

  • Max Nozin

    @engineer48:disqus
    To me LENR appears to be a done deal – it is real and it is already boring. Since you have an experience with the circuitry why don’t try to replicate something like Don L Smith/Kapanadze etc. devices?
    I am following progress on that in Russia and Ukraine and some people there achieved very interesting results such us getting 2-4kw from table top generator without any external input or moving parts whatsoever. Since most of the people still want to profit for this ‘free energy’ (oxymoron right there) they withhold some specifics about their devices but there are few who would share everything
    Still wish you good luck and thanks for the contribution to this forum.

  • MorganMck

    E48 where are you? This was your post and your prospective venture and I think it only right that you answer the obvious and reasonable questions raised below.

    Have you replicated the “Rossi Effect” and what in Matt’s book lead you to the breakthrough?

    If you will not answer those questions, your post should be branded “a major tease” at minimum and your credibility for this venture as well as all prior claims made here be put into question. This is not the E48 I thought I knew, but I have been fooled before. Say it ain’t so E48.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Morgan,

      No I have not replicated the Rossi Effect.

      But I think I understand why many have failed.

      Have made a post on this.
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/21/gold-from-mats-lewans-impossible-invention-book-engineer48/#comment-2853897578

      • Chapman

        Hey Engineer,

        So, now that you figured out the “Gold Nugget”, please think back to the Biasing issue I mentioned to you a few months back. You should see the connection easily.

        And GOOD LUCK and GODSPEED to you on your venture. I have my Visa by my keyboard, ready to fill in an order form on the first day you go live. Best $1000.00 I will ever spend! Count me in!!!

  • Gerard McEk

    Hi E48,
    Do you intend to openly demonstrate your reactor? I am sure it sells better if you can demonstrate light, electricity and a COP>50. It would be nice if you would involve MFMP in it to openly confirm your data.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Gerald,

      Yes.
      .

  • Hank Mills

    A Few Facts For Anyone Serious About Replicating

    1) The vast majority of individuals that attempt to replicate fail to produce any excess heat.

    2) These failed replications have utilized a wide array of powders and various types of input power to provide electromagnetic stimulation (DC, AC, dirty AC, square waves, etc).

    3) A small percentage of replications have been successful — some producing excess heat on the first attempt.

    4) A smaller percentage of successful replications not only produce excess heat on the first attempt, but produce power densities approaching or exceeding ONE KILOWATT per gram of fuel.

    5) No one who does understand exactly what parameters are critical for successful replication attempts have disclosed the information. The few individuals who have claimed to understand frequently “clam up.”

    6) Since massive excess heat has been produced with straight DC to the resistors, it is likely that fuel processing is key.

    7) To design any product or large system without first performing a long series of tests to figure out fuel processing may be doomed to failure.

    8) Don’t expect any help from Andrea Rossi, even if you can prove you have no commercial interest in selling anything.

    9) A good starting point in a fuel processing program would be documenting the preperation for nickel to absorb hydrogen in high amounts. If little or no hydrogen is absorbed, there will be no excess heat.

    10) Be ready to perform tens or hundreds of tests.

    • Rene

      Definitely #9 (fuel loading prep) seems to be important. Years ago, Rossi alluded to this need, and Bob Greenyer’s pre-Rossi patent find on hydrogren loading points out that requirement.

  • Hank Mills

    A Few Facts For Anyone Serious About Replicating

    1) The vast majority of individuals that attempt to replicate fail to produce any excess heat.

    2) These failed replications have utilized a wide array of powders and various types of input power to provide electromagnetic stimulation (DC, AC, dirty AC, square waves, etc).

    3) A small percentage of replications have been successful — some producing excess heat on the first attempt.

    4) A smaller percentage of successful replications not only produce excess heat on the first attempt, but produce power densities approaching or exceeding ONE KILOWATT per gram of fuel.

    5) No one who does understand exactly what parameters are critical for successful replication attempts have disclosed the information. The few individuals who have claimed to understand frequently “clam up.”

    6) Since massive excess heat has been produced with straight DC to the resistors, it is likely that fuel processing is key.

    7) To design any product or large system without first performing a long series of tests to figure out fuel processing may be doomed to failure.

    8) Don’t expect any help from Andrea Rossi, even if you can prove you have no commercial interest in selling anything.

    9) A good starting point in a fuel processing program would be documenting the preperation for nickel to absorb hydrogen in high amounts. If little or no hydrogen is absorbed, there will be no excess heat.

    10) Be ready to perform tens or hundreds of tests.

    • MorganMck

      Thanks for your insights Hank; they seem to square with history. You are probably as close to the “Rossi Effect” and replication attempts to date as anyone and are also familiar with Matt’s book. To your knowledge, is there anything in the book that would provide a missing puzzle piece to a prospective replicator.

      • Hank Mills

        As far as I remember, no.

        What we need are more experimenters like Me356 who are willing to perform daily testing. My feeling is that fuel prep is the number one key factor. We don’t know what factors are most important when it comes to fuel prep. My guess is that it is a combination of surface texture, surface cleanliness, and hydrogenation. EM stimulation won’t do anything if the fuel is not optimized.

    • Rene

      Definitely #9 (fuel loading prep) seems to be important. Years ago, Rossi alluded to this need, and Bob Greenyer’s pre-Rossi patent find on hydrogren loading points out that requirement.

  • reader22b

    Seems like a few people have missed his explanation to Bob Greenyer below:

    “Hi Bob.

    I have for many years designed, manufactured and delivered complex control systems.

    When I saw the small PCBs that Fulvio was working on, I instantly saw they were 4 pin linear voltage monitor OptoCouplers that I was very familiar with.

    I then analysed the BlueCat reactor control box images from the trademark application and worked out the circuit and how the small PCB was wired in and from experience it’s circuit and why it was there.

    My conclusions are the Rossi Effect generates, internal to the reaction core, an Em fields that induce a EMF in the unpowered heater coil that this circuit picks up and is used as a high speed, non thermocouple slow response, heart beat to control the reactor without needing an embedded thermocouple that suffers from a delayed response due to thermal mass lag time.

    Ok you opinion may differ but the reality is the small PCB is there and is wired into the heater circuit and the monitoring output is wired to the LAN based I/O pcb.

    It is there for a reason that should NOT be ignored.”

    Perhaps Frank should update the post with his complete comments and photos.

  • oarmas

    I appreciate the effort of LENR activists. Unfortunately, we don’t really understand the theory behind this product. The fact that material and catalyst variability have such an impact on output (COP) reliability remains my biggest concern with this project. Engineer 48 you might consider a solar cell to diesel fuel kit instead (the tech has been labeled as solarsyn). The progress made with TMDC has made this product a bigger probability in my opinion than LENR. A fuel cell that actually produces fuel cheaply, might be the first step in weaning us from the big energy companies. There are several processes available to explore. This is one of them: https://news.uic.edu/breakthrough-solar-cell-captures-co2-and-sunlight-produces-burnable-fuel

    There are also technologies that convert to hydrogen directly, described in futurism blog.

    • MorganMck

      I used to get excited about these University “breakthroughs” also (there have been scores of battery breakthroughs owing to University research). Unfortunately, very few ever make it out of the lab. It seems the most they actually spawn is: (1) a research paper, (2) a press release, and (3) a grant request for additional funding.

    • TVulgaris

      None of those have the potential to EVER achieve the kind of power and energy density of LENR. I’m a huge fan of PV and other generation, but why would E48 bother with an existing technology with an existing manufacturing base and distribution channels? I doubt simply becoming another business in the alternative-energy field is his primary objective (which he’s already said in different terms here and elsewhere).

    • Zephir

      If we should wait for understanding of phenomena before its practical exploitation, we would still live in stone age era. On the contrary: the practical exploitation of these findings enabled us to start the industrial revolution and occasionally the development of technologies, which finally enabled their deeper understanding.

      • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ

        Exactly. No one knew the plasma physics behind flame but that didn’t stop us from building stoves.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          ..or using wheels without the physics, mechanics theories behind motion….

          Is it a mandatory assumption that theory is supposed to precede an invention?

          Or that without, even contrary to, generally accepted theory there can not be an invention?

          • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ

            It is not a mandatory assumption; it is a naïve one.

  • oarmas

    I appreciate the effort of LENR activists. Unfortunately, we don’t really understand the theory behind this product. The fact that material and catalyst variability have such an impact on output (COP) reliability remains my biggest concern with this project. Engineer 48 you might consider a solar cell to diesel fuel kit instead (the tech has been labeled as solarsyn). The progress made with TMDC has made this product a bigger probability in my opinion than LENR. A fuel cell that actually produces fuel cheaply, might be the first step in weaning us from the big energy companies. There are several processes available to explore. This is one of them: https://news.uic.edu/breakthrough-solar-cell-captures-co2-and-sunlight-produces-burnable-fuel

    There are also technologies that convert to hydrogen directly, described in futurism blog.

    • MorganMck

      I used to get excited about these University “breakthroughs” also (there have been scores of battery breakthroughs owing to University research). Unfortunately, very few ever make it out of the lab. It seems the most they actually spawn is: (1) a research paper, (2) a press release, and (3) a grant request for additional funding.

    • TVulgaris

      None of those have the potential to EVER achieve the kind of power and energy density of LENR. I’m a huge fan of PV and other generation, but why would E48 bother with an existing technology with an existing manufacturing base and distribution channels? I doubt simply becoming another business in the alternative-energy field is his primary objective (which he’s already said in different terms here and elsewhere).

    • Zephir

      If we should wait for understanding of phenomena before its practical exploitation, we would still live in stone age era. On the contrary: the practical exploitation of these findings enabled us to start the industrial revolution and occasionally the development of technologies, which finally enabled their deeper understanding.

      • Exactly. No one knew the plasma physics behind flame but that didn’t stop us from building stoves.

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          ..or using wheels without the physics, mechanics theories behind motion….

          Is it a mandatory assumption that theory is supposed to precede an invention?

          Or that without, even contrary to, generally accepted theory there can not be an invention?

          • It is not a mandatory assumption; it is a naïve one.

    • Michael W Wolf

      “We don’t really understand the theory behind this product”. Tell that to the Wright bothers.

  • Zephir

    I am affraid, Naima Feagin got some jewelery & fat and she changed her business model a bit

    http://i.imgur.com/bTLFVwg.gif https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/12/qeg-phase-3-complete/?c=1250

  • adriano

    Any road map aviable for your plans? Have we to wait either weeks, months or later?

    (And dont rush it pls 😀 most of us already dont digest the “enterprising” optimism of Dr. Rossi :D)

  • William Doerr

    E48:

    Why does A.R need to be physically present at the plant 18 hours a day if it is computer controlled?

    Also, I was going to post this when there was only a couple replys:
    “What’s that dark cloud in the distance. Oh no. It’s a sh** storm, run.”

  • Sean

    We all need to have a go if we can. Some accident of nature as usual will show us the way. Only if we seek, then we can find. Most inventions are made by ordinary folk. The academia stuff will come later as the university’s are most adapt to apply the latest physics and improvements of our work. Remember that necessity is the mother of invention. Pretend we are in an ice age, no oil and no coal. O yea, darkness for 6 months. Just an igloo in Canada’s far north. (Ice sheet only, but here are some metals and minerals to start with.) Brrr, lets get started.

  • Sean

    We all need to have a go if we can. Some accident of nature as usual will show us the way. Only if we seek, then we can find. Most inventions are made by ordinary folk. The academia stuff will come later as the university’s are most adapt to apply the latest physics and improvements of our work. Remember that necessity is the mother of invention. Pretend we are in an ice age, no oil and no coal. O yea, darkness for 6 months. Just an igloo in Canada’s far north. (Ice sheet only, but here are some metals and minerals to start with.) Brrr, lets get started.

  • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ

    You may not want to have your own patents but others may sue you for infringement of their own.

    • cashmemorz

      If they are financially able to= big company with money to spend on trials. The field is not mature enough for such wrangling ie see Cherokee, Industrial heat. These guys are close to breaking even with a potentially high ROI. Others, ie Brillouin are doing it by the book and therefore are in slower development towards market. Patents are worth protecting if potential for ROI is big. Doing it by the book, properly with somewhat proven science? as Brillouin may have something. But is similar to E-Cat. So Engineer 48 has to make some differences that make his version not worthy of protection by others.

      • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ

        ROI is the key, isn’t it? For $50k, a company can secure a $5B corner of a $Trillion market. So it’s worth it to them to patent troll.

        • cashmemorz

          One still never knows what temperament of the one protecting their invention. Some will throw their future earnings into a lawyers pocket just to show the opposition they mean business. Therefore learn everything about the party having a similar device to yours when the design features are nailed down and well before marketing.

          • Engineer48

            Ok guys have a go at tearing this apart. Need to make it all engineering like but this should give an indication of where I’m going.

            The fuel rod is quartz tubing with quartz rod inserts from each end to control the fuel area. Whole fuel rod, including swagelok fittings at each end will slide inside the 3mm wall thickness SS thermalizer cylinder.

            Electrical heaters will be located between the outer cylinder and the inner cylinder.

            Designed to limit damage from BANG events, which I expect there to be many as this design is expected to fold back a lot of heat to the reactor core.

            Right side end plate to flange interface will be water tight so the whole reactor can be placed vertically (right rotate of the drawing) into a tank/bucket of water if desired and still be operated with total safety.

            The reactor can also have the Rossi Stove Pipe totally covered in heavy insulation treatment.

            Designed to operate in

            in water
            in air with no additional insulation
            in air with additional insulation
            at any orientation in air but must be upright in water
            have significant self shielding against BANG damage to the reactor (worst case you lose the fuel rod) and to external operators and equipment.

            Not shown is the still in development high speed control computer, which will feature extensive data logging via a WiFi link to a laptop and the ability to have real time reactor parameter monitoring and the ability to adjust various reactor settings. So one small PCB (with various interfaces in and out) and one laptop is all that will be needed to develop and run the reactor.
            .

          • TOUSSAINT francois

            Boy! I am enjoying this ride !

          • Gerald

            Do you already have an open source control program that you think of using? Or is it all tailor made?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Gerald,

            Building power control systens is what I did. Code will be my microchip C code as I decided against a Raspberry in favour of raw speed in dealing with control input processing loops.

            Raspberry may work OK but for now I want heaps of speed as I really have no real ubderstanding of what I need to control but with heaps of speed I can write code and design hardware to handle just about anything that needs to be done.
            .

          • Rene

            The PI2 will fast enough. Even an applet in python can do sub-millisecond actions. Certainly complied C code is no issue with latencies. I use it for ADS-B MLAT, have a friend who uses it in his high power diode laser cutters.

          • Thomas Kaminski

            Rene,

            I agree, The Pi3 is even faster, and for ADS-B, I have been using Hardkernel’s XU4. Precise real-time is a bit of a problem unless you use a realtime kernel. E48’s solution will probably be better at precise RT control. I think the RPi3 with python is the way to monitor the process and plot data,

          • Rene

            Or write it in a non-interpreted language, like c, c++. And yes, there are several hard-RT kernels to choose.

          • Gerald

            Clear

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            E48, Are you still negotiating with Rossi to buy reactors?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bernie,

            Yes my many pending reactors are still there.

            The Black Box reactor I’m working on is not intended to compete with Leonardo.
            .

          • Rene

            That rightmost plate, make it deliberately weak so that should a bang occur, that will be the direction of the blast event. Then you can design for a catchment/snubber on that end.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wizkid,

            Have ideas but need to get the reactor working 1st.
            .

          • wizkid

            Thx. Any ideas on sourcing high surface area nickel powder to use in the fuel? I’ve been using reagent quality nickel powder, but looks like the high surface stuff help the tunneling processes. ???

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Alan Smith from LookingForHeat will be working with me on that.
            .

          • wizkid

            Tell Alan Tom says hello.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            So where to source?
            .

          • Mats002

            Hi E48 and Wizkid (Tom),

            Tom Conover is one of the few experimenters here at ECW having several meltdowns/runaways, see http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/17/tom-conover-reports-on-replication-efforts/ , and the E-Cat reengineering work from E48 is the answer for how to transform a runaway to a stable high COP mode, see http://disq.us/p/1awwoix.

            Because you have one piece each of the puzzle, I suggest you put them together 😉

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats002,

            Ist I need a working reactor so I can talk the walk.
            .

          • Mats002

            The point is that Tom has a working reactor, but he lacks the control, because it goes BANG (runaway). He needs a feedback listener and you can advice on that.

          • Some Swedes are well known diplomats, making people talk to each other 😉

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats,

            Yup, so it seems.

          • wizkid

            E48:

            Here is where to source, and get the safety data sheet. Also my graph of my most recent live reactor test from last night – null results so far, no runaway this time.

            google search: “Pure Nickel Ni Metal Flak Powder”
            (find your choice of vendors)

            Get the safety Data Sheet:
            https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?storeId=10652&productName=AC395925000

            The most expensive vendor on earth:
            http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search?term=7440-02-0&interface=CAS%20No.&N=0+&mode=partialmax&lang=en&region=US&focus=product

            I ran a live test last night with Ni+7Li+LAH last night as fuel. See graph.
            I purchased some Raney Nickel; aka “Ni Metal Flak Powder Reagent” last night.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Happy to share.

            Can you share your reactor design?

            Do you have a 3mm thick SS cylinder surrounding your fuel rod so aas to thermalise anything, photons, Gammas, Em fields, etc that may come out of the reaction and fold the resultant long wave IR back to the reactor?

            Is your reactor insulated to stop heat loss?

            You mentioned a graph of your most recent reactor run?

            What is the design of your heater and how do you excite it?
            .

          • wizkid

            To see the graph of my last run, click the view button on the discus. I will draw up the design of mine reactor later today when I am back in the office and upload it for you to view.

          • wizkid

            Here is the reactor design (image attached and link to Google Docs).

            https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZP_FfCs8RGufS6pcKwCavyPwXZwkV3WEFdZ5qY3IotA/pub

            Can you share your reactor design? Yes (Google Docs)

            Do you have a 3mm thick SS cylinder surrounding your fuel rod so as to thermalise anything, photons, Gammas, Em fields, etc that may come out of the reaction and fold the resultant long wave IR back to the reactor? I use Stainless Steel Tube ID .148 In, OD: .1875 In, Wall thickness .020 In. Fuel is loaded and ends are laser welded to seal the cell.

            Is your reactor insulated to stop heat loss? More than before. I use a very thick Alumina casing; Outer Hull, Alumina 99.99%
            65810 OD: 0.590 in ID: 0.394.

            You mentioned a graph of your most recent reactor run? I posted it already.

            What is the design of your heater and how do you excite it? See Google docs link or look at it below this comment.

            My Raney-Nickel is on the way! 🙂

          • SG

            Interesting null graph. How do you explain the precipitous temperature drop-off? Was there a reactor breach?

          • SG

            Ah, I see you are using WattHrs on the y-axis, not Watts. So correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears you just turned off the power.

          • wizkid

            I used watts and Watt hours, but the graph is easier to read with watt hours. The test is controlled by an Arduino computer that automatically turns the power off at 650 minutes and allow to cool off time and demonstrates the cool off time. This reactor used a 55 ohm coil, and only achieved 850 degrees Celsius. I will be building a 50 ohm coil and testing it next week. The Arduino automatically monitors for an LENR event and controls the temperature if one is determined. Thank you for your interest, I will be answering e48 later today regarding the heater design.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Freebie to think about:

            Logic says.

            Ni raw surface dissociates H2 to H & H. (Maybe H+ & H-)

            H2 source is LAN.

            Melted LAN will release H2 but also coat Ni, stopping H2 dissociation.

            Ni must be exposed to LAN released H2 but the melted LAN must not coat the Ni.

            Ditto for melted Li to NOT coat the Ni.

            Reaction chamber design must enable this to happen.

            Mixing the Ni & Li & LAN together as a fuel power is maybe NOT a good idea!!!
            .

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wizkid,

            Just thinking out loud.

            Consider the Ni will dissociate any H2 that hits it’s surface and hold the 2 x dissociated Hs on its surface. So if the Ni surface is coated with ANYTHING, the Ni just might not do any H2 dissociation and NOT have any dissociated Hs on its surface.

            IE the Li or LAN coating the NI may stop it loading any more H and maybe NO H.

            Just maybe Rossi has the LAN the other side of a thin Palladium membrane, which will let the H2 through to the Ni but nothing else?

            Do we understand why the Li is there?
            .

  • You may not want to have your own patents but others may sue you for infringement of their own.

    • cashmemorz

      If they are financially able to= big company with money to spend on trials. The field is not mature enough for such wrangling ie see Cherokee, Industrial heat. These guys are close to breaking even with a potentially high ROI. Others, ie Brillouin are doing it by the book and therefore are in slower development towards market. Patents are worth protecting if potential for ROI is big. Doing it by the book, properly with somewhat proven science? as Brillouin may have something. But is similar to E-Cat. So Engineer 48 has to make some differences that make his version not worthy of protection by others.

      • ROI is the key, isn’t it? For $50k, a company can secure a $5B corner of a $Trillion market. So it’s worth it to them to patent troll.

        • cashmemorz

          One still never knows what temperament of the one protecting their invention. Some will throw their future earnings into a lawyers pocket just to show the opposition they mean business. Therefore learn everything about the party having a similar device to yours when the design features are nailed down and well before marketing.

  • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ

    Don’t call it a nuclear reactor. Include a box on the side that’s labelled ‘fuel’ and refill it once in a while with some water or something. Then when you sell the devices, it will take the regulators a decade to realize that your box labelled ‘fuel’ has never really been refilled.

  • Kevmo ✓ᵀʳᵘᵐᵖ
  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    A few points:

    All I have at the moment is a really good understanding of how the BlueCat reactors are controlled.

    As an electronics power systems control engineer I think I understand why Fulvio designed the BlueCat reactor control box the way he did.

    That understanding may help to explain why others have not achieved success.

    As example imagine you saw the 1st petrol engine, copied all you see externally but could never get it to run. Why? Because you failed to time the spark plugs discharge correctly by using feedback from the main crankshaft and instead your spark system was not occuring at the correct time.

    It is about feedback monitoring and using that feedback correctly to excite the reactor. Note the QuarkX is continually excited.

    We have all heard of the meltdowns, the BANG moment. Due to those event, just maybe the DIY reactors have evolved to be very low COP, low thermal gain, devices as they are easier to manually control.

    Plus these low thermal gain reactors radiate away all the heat, instead of folding in back. Why? Same as above, folding back the heat raises the gain and makes the reactor harder to control and easier to go BANG.

    My approach is to start out with a reactor that is very heavily insulated, 3mm thick SS around the fuel and having automated high speed reactor control that monitors & control in a millisecond or 1/100 of a second. That way the reactor can be driven and controlled just below the point of meltdown but not more.

    In this design every emitted photon, gamma, Em field, et outputted will be thermalised and folded back as longwave IR to drive the reactor at a constant temp while using the folded back IR to replace electrical heat and thus to reduce the input electrical energy.

    Just look at the images of Rossi’s stove pipe reactor. It was heavily insulated and folded back almost all the reactor’s heat.

    I believe the Dog Bone approach leads to low thermal gain reactors, with good manual control and massive lost of reactor & excitation heat.

    My approach it to design a very high gain reactor, that can’t be manually controlled and that looses almost no heat. So very little energy will be needed to drive it compared to the open Dog Bone type reactor.

    So while others chase the IH DogBone, I’ll chase the Rossi stove pipe.

    =====================

    Just to make it crystal clear,

    There is no product.
    You can’t order one.
    I’m not asking for money.
    Will not accept any money up front.

    When there is a product, it will not be offered for sale until it is VERY reliable and has all the necessary product certifications to be sold in Australia.
    .

    • SG

      Hi E48, I agree with your general proposition of thermalizing the photons, EM, and any gamma. Rossi’s revelations have shown this to be a crucial element of his designs.

      However, I don’t believe that SS is the best choice for the inner-most vessel to contain the fuel, given its relatively low melting point (1400-1450C). You mentioned sapphire, which was also suggested by BG (and which was also mentioned all the way back in 2013 on Rossi’s blog, although quickly dismissed back then by Ross… possible to throw others off the trail though). The melting point of sapphire is well over 2000C.

      Insert the fuel into a capillary sapphire tube, and slip the tube into an outer SS pipe, with an air-gap inbetween the two of them. Drill a small hole in the outer SS pipe to observe the visual spectrum of light. Aim for high COP / low power. Rossi has shifted his attention to 100 W high COP devices with low power input. I think his move is a calculated one, and should serve as a hint and example of how best to harness the effect.

  • Engineer48

    Guys,

    A few points:

    All I have at the moment is a really good understanding of how the BlueCat reactors are controlled.

    As an electronics power systems control engineer I think I understand why Fulvio designed the BlueCat reactor control box the way he did.

    That understanding may help to explain why others have not achieved success.

    As example imagine you saw the 1st petrol engine, copied all you see externally but could never get it to run. Why? Because you failed to time the spark plugs discharge correctly by using feedback from the main crankshaft and instead your spark system was not occuring at the correct time.

    It is about feedback monitoring and using that feedback correctly to excite the reactor. Note the QuarkX is continually excited.

    We have all heard of the meltdowns, the BANG moment. Due to those event, just maybe the DIY reactors have evolved to be very low COP, low thermal gain, devices as they are easier to manually control.

    Plus these low thermal gain reactors radiate away all the heat, instead of folding in back. Why? Same as above, folding back the heat raises the gain and makes the reactor harder to control and easier to go BANG.

    My approach is to start out with a reactor that is very heavily insulated, 3mm thick SS around the fuel and having automated high speed reactor control that monitors & control in a millisecond or 1/100 of a second. That way the reactor can be driven and controlled just below the point of meltdown but not more.

    In this design every emitted photon, gamma, Em field, et outputted will be thermalised and folded back as longwave IR to drive the reactor at a constant temp while using the folded back IR to replace electrical heat and thus to reduce the input electrical energy.

    Just look at the images of Rossi’s stove pipe reactor. It was heavily insulated and folded back almost all the reactor’s heat.

    I believe the Dog Bone approach leads to low thermal gain reactors, with good manual control and massive lost of reactor & excitation heat.

    My approach it to design a very high gain reactor, that can’t be manually controlled and that looses almost no heat. So very little energy will be needed to drive it compared to the open Dog Bone type reactor.

    So while others chase the IH DogBone, I’ll chase the Rossi stove pipe.

    =====================

    Just to make it crystal clear,

    There is no product.
    You can’t order one.
    I’m not asking for money.
    Will not accept any money up front.

    When there is a product, it will not be offered for sale until it is VERY reliable and has all the necessary product certifications to be sold in Australia.
    .

    • SG

      Hi E48, I agree with your general proposition of thermalizing the photons, EM, and any gamma. Rossi’s revelations have shown this to be a crucial element of his designs.

      However, I don’t believe that SS is the best choice for the inner-most vessel to contain the fuel, given its relatively low melting point (1400-1450C). You mentioned sapphire, which was also suggested by BG (and which was also mentioned all the way back in 2013 on Rossi’s blog, although quickly dismissed back then by Ross… possible to throw others off the trail though). The melting point of sapphire is well over 2000C.

      Insert the fuel into a capillary sapphire tube, and slip the tube into an outer SS pipe, with an air-gap inbetween the two of them. Drill a small hole in the outer SS pipe to observe the visual spectrum of light. Aim for high COP / low power. Rossi has shifted his attention to 100 W high COP devices with low power input. I think his move is a calculated one, and should serve as a hint and example of how best to harness the effect.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Morgan,

    No I have not replicated the Rossi Effect.

    But I think I understand why many have failed.

    Have made a post on this.
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/08/21/gold-from-mats-lewans-impossible-invention-book-engineer48/#comment-2853897578

    • Chapman

      Hey Engineer,

      So, now that you figured out the “Gold Nugget”, please think back to the Biasing issue I mentioned to you a few months back. You should see the connection easily.

      And GOOD LUCK and GODSPEED to you on your venture. I have my Visa by my keyboard, ready to fill in an order form on the first day you go live. Best $1000.00 I will ever spend! Count me in!!!

  • Engineer48

    This is VERY important as it basically says NO reactor heat should EVER escape, other than that needed to create the desired external effect. What is not needed externally should NEVER escape but should be used to reduce the need for external electrical heat to drive the reactor.

    http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/aug-22-2016-lenr-must-be-based-on.html

    Lest we forget that on 28 Oct 2011, in a public display, the Rossi Blue Box reactor delivered 490kWh/h for 5.5 hours with no external energy going to the the ECat module heaters. And Rossi was NOT continually massaging the controls to maintain SSM. However there was a few big light brown boxes that did that.
    .

    • Esko Lyytinen

      My thinking as to the control and especially “no reactor heat escape”, has been a lot along these lines. See may earlier post and also especially my own comments on this.
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/02/on-the-thermal-stability-of-the-lenr-tube-esko-lyytinen/

      I would like to add to the above Engineer48 ” .. NO reactor heat should EVER escape, other than that needed to create the desired external effect.”
      that the desired external effect ( use of use) can and preferably should also be used for the control, more preferably than cotrol by adding energy (except for the start up). You did not explain in detail (even though you mentioned this as importatnt) the role of Rossi water level adjusting but my undertanding is that this was used to regulate the energy output use, that is to control the temperature of the reactor and so to cntrol the reaction.

  • Engineer48

    This is VERY important as it basically says NO reactor heat should EVER escape, other than that needed to create the desired external effect. What is not needed externally should NEVER escape but should be used to reduce the need for external electrical heat to drive the reactor.

    http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com.au/2016/08/aug-22-2016-lenr-must-be-based-on.html

    Lest we forget that on 28 Oct 2011, in a public display, the Rossi Blue Box reactor delivered 490kWh/h for 5.5 hours with no external energy going to the the ECat module heaters. And Rossi was NOT continually massaging the controls to maintain SSM. However there were a few big light brown boxes that did that.
    .

    • Vinney

      By this you mean, the LENR type boiler will have significantly less waste heat than say a comparable gas, deisel or electric boiler.
      This explains the fewer heat extraction devices in the warehouse and manufacturing plant.

    • Esko Lyytinen

      My thinking as to the control and especially “no reactor heat escape”, has been a lot along these lines. See may earlier post and also especially my own comments on this.
      http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/02/on-the-thermal-stability-of-the-lenr-tube-esko-lyytinen/

      I would like to add to the above Engineer48 ” .. NO reactor heat should EVER escape, other than that needed to create the desired external effect.”
      that the desired external effect ( use of use) can and preferably should also be used for the control, more preferably than cotrol by adding energy (except for the start up). You did not explain in detail (even though you mentioned this as importatnt) the role of Rossi water level adjusting but my undertanding is that this was used to regulate the energy output use, that is to control the temperature of the reactor and so to cntrol the reaction.

  • Engineer48

    EVER DIY replicator should read this post:
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/26/always-open-e-cat-world-thread/#comment-2853359793

    Rossi’s Porosity Enhanced Nickel

    As has been mentioned in other posts, it is possible that current third party experiments do not utilise all the information that has been released by Andrea Rossi.

    The following is extracts from Ecat Patent US9115913B1, where POROSITY ENHANCED nickel powder is mentioned.

    SUMMARY
    In other embodiments, the catalyst in powdered form, has been treated to ENHANCE ITS POROSITY. For example, the catalyst can be nickel powder that has been treated to ENHANCE POROSITY thereof.
    Another aspect of the invention is a composition of matter for generating heat, the composition including a mixture of POROSITY-ENHANCED nickel powder, lithium powder, and lithium aluminum powder, and a heat source in thermal communication with the mixture for initiating a nickel catalyzed exothermic reaction.

    DETAILED DESCRIPTION
    Sandwiched between each pair of conductive layers 50, 52 is a fuel layer 54 that contains a fuel mixture having nickel, lithium, and lithium aluminum hydride LiAlH4 (“LAH”), all in powdered form. Preferably, the nickel has been treated to INCREASE ITS POROSITY, for example by heating the nickel powder to for times and temperatures selected to superheat any water present in micro-cavities that are inherently in each particle of nickel powder. The resulting steam pressure causes explosions that create larger cavities, as well as additional smaller nickel particles.

    Having described the invention, and a preferred embodiment thereof, what I claim as new and secured by letters patent is:

    3. The apparatus of claim 2, wherein said nickel powder has been treated to ENHANCE POROSITY thereof.

    This patent does not cover the use of untreated nickel powder, so I would expect that untreated nickel powder will NEVER work effectively, if it did work Andrea Rossi would have included it in the patent.

    Possibly carbonyl nickel powder of nanometre to micrometre size, immersed in water under high pressure for a period of time, allowing sufficient time for water to migrate deep into the grain boundaries and fissures that occur between nickel crystals, drain down the water, apply heat to create steam pressure within the particle grain boundaries and hence open up cracks and voids between the nickel crystals. Experimentation would be required to maximize the amount of cracks within a still solid carbonyl nickel particle without opening up the grain boundaries to the extent that all the particles fragment and you have no cracks just smaller size single crystal particles, similar to popcorn – opened up but not broken up.

    The “porosity enhanced” nickel powder is then mixed with lithium aluminum hydride powder and stabilised lithium powder, when this mixture is heated the lithium + LiAlH4 will melt then flow over the nickel surfaces and be drawn down into the cracks through capillary / surface tension effects, after this as the temperature rises the lithium + LiAlH4 will expand within the cracks and voids creating a substantial internal pressure at lithium / nickel crystal interfaces (active sites), lithium has one of the highest coefficients of thermal expansion with an expansion rate of 3.4 X that of nickel.

    The lithium + hydrogen being trapped within the cracks / internal voids between nickel crystals and under substantial pressure coupled with electromagnetic activation is I think key to the Ecat process.

  • Engineer48

    EVER DIY replicator should read this post:
    http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/10/26/always-open-e-cat-world-thread/#comment-2853359793

    Rossi’s Porosity Enhanced Nickel

    As has been mentioned in other posts, it is possible that current third party experiments do not utilise all the information that has been released by Andrea Rossi.

    The following is extracts from Ecat Patent US9115913B1, where POROSITY ENHANCED nickel powder is mentioned.

    SUMMARY
    In other embodiments, the catalyst in powdered form, has been treated to ENHANCE ITS POROSITY. For example, the catalyst can be nickel powder that has been treated to ENHANCE POROSITY thereof.
    Another aspect of the invention is a composition of matter for generating heat, the composition including a mixture of POROSITY-ENHANCED nickel powder, lithium powder, and lithium aluminum powder, and a heat source in thermal communication with the mixture for initiating a nickel catalyzed exothermic reaction.

    DETAILED DESCRIPTION
    Sandwiched between each pair of conductive layers 50, 52 is a fuel layer 54 that contains a fuel mixture having nickel, lithium, and lithium aluminum hydride LiAlH4 (“LAH”), all in powdered form. Preferably, the nickel has been treated to INCREASE ITS POROSITY, for example by heating the nickel powder to for times and temperatures selected to superheat any water present in micro-cavities that are inherently in each particle of nickel powder. The resulting steam pressure causes explosions that create larger cavities, as well as additional smaller nickel particles.

    Having described the invention, and a preferred embodiment thereof, what I claim as new and secured by letters patent is:

    3. The apparatus of claim 2, wherein said nickel powder has been treated to ENHANCE POROSITY thereof.

    This patent does not cover the use of untreated nickel powder, so I would expect that untreated nickel powder will NEVER work effectively, if it did work Andrea Rossi would have included it in the patent.

    Possibly carbonyl nickel powder of nanometre to micrometre size, immersed in water under high pressure for a period of time, allowing sufficient time for water to migrate deep into the grain boundaries and fissures that occur between nickel crystals, drain down the water, apply heat to create steam pressure within the particle grain boundaries and hence open up cracks and voids between the nickel crystals. Experimentation would be required to maximize the amount of cracks within a still solid carbonyl nickel particle without opening up the grain boundaries to the extent that all the particles fragment and you have no cracks just smaller size single crystal particles, similar to popcorn – opened up but not broken up.

    The “porosity enhanced” nickel powder is then mixed with lithium aluminum hydride powder and stabilised lithium powder, when this mixture is heated the lithium + LiAlH4 will melt then flow over the nickel surfaces and be drawn down into the cracks through capillary / surface tension effects, after this as the temperature rises the lithium + LiAlH4 will expand within the cracks and voids creating a substantial internal pressure at lithium / nickel crystal interfaces (active sites), lithium has one of the highest coefficients of thermal expansion with an expansion rate of 3.4 X that of nickel.

    The lithium + hydrogen being trapped within the cracks / internal voids between nickel crystals and under substantial pressure coupled with electromagnetic activation is I think key to the Ecat process.

  • Engineer48

    An observation passed on:

    In Rossi’s Black HotCat there are 16 coils, apparently connected in series, running the length of the reactor. That are a LOT of coils. From that the coil resistance will be high and that is why Rossi excited the heater coil with 240vac.

    I also note the inner SS fuel rod containing cylinder is 3mm thick. which will thermalise all the photons, gammas and most of the Em fields generated by the reaction. I say most as the SS used has a Em field lower freq that the 3mm is not thick enough to generate a significant eddy current to stop the Em field penetration. Sort of a low pass filter that will allow some of the very low freq Em field energy from the reactor to penetrate and to be detected as an EMF induction in the 16 heater coils placed around the inside of the outer cylinder.

    Then ask yourself why place the 16 heater coils just inside the outer cylinder? I mean why not place them right next to the inner cylinder that has inside it the fuel rod?
    .

    • Obvious

      The heater can be purchased that way. It is a commercial product.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Obvious,

        Link?
        .

        • Obvious

          You can see some here (link). The exact one might take some more digging.
          http://www.conductance.pl/en/oferta-elementy-grzejne.html/ceramiczne.html

          • Engineer48

            Hi Obvious,

            Fine find.
            Thanks.
            Appreciated.
            .

          • Obvious

            If I were to attempt another build, that old style reactor is the one I would go with. It is far simpler than the others, especially in the power supply details. Well within the reach of the moderately skilled builder.

  • Engineer48

    An observation passed on:

    In Rossi’s Black HotCat there are 16 coils, apparently connected in series, running the length of the reactor. That are a LOT of coils. From that the coil resistance will be high and that is why Rossi excited the heater coil with 240vac.

    Also note the inner SS fuel rod containing cylinder is 3mm thick. which will thermalise all the photons, gammas and most of the Em fields generated by the reaction. I say most as the SS used has a Em field lower freq that the 3mm is not thick enough to generate a significant eddy current to stop the Em field penetration. Sort of a low pass filter that will allow some of the very low freq Em field energy from the reactor to penetrate and to be detected as an EMF induction in the 16 heater coils placed around the inside of the outer cylinder.

    Then ask yourself why place the 16 heater coils just inside the outer cylinder? I mean why not place them right next to the inner cylinder that has inside it the fuel rod?

    Don’t see any inner form for the small and long coils. They maybe are inserted as collapsed coils and then pulled out long as the end are connected. The open slot allows the assembler the ability to adjust any coil pair that may be too close together and touching it’s neighbour coil.

    I see a heater coil design that had been through many iterations to get it right. Good design.

    Expect my 1st reactor build will be somewhat like this but quite a bit smaller or maybe not. Maybe 100mm long. Depends on the heater coil build.

    Reactor fuel will be inside a sealed sapphire tube that is placed inside the inner 3mm thick SS thermalisation tube. Sapphire rods will penetrate the 2 SS tubes to allow the raw reaction to be observed, recorded and maybe used as part of the reactor control system.
    .

  • Engineer48

    With stainless steel a 200Hz Em field has a 1x skin depth penetration of 2.9mm. Really good stoppage needs 3x that depth. A 50Hz field has a 1x skin depth in SS of 5.9mm. So a 3mm thick SS inner cylinder wall would start passing Em fields of 200Hz and lower.

    A 50Hz field would easily penetrate the 3mm thick SS wall with little eddy current heating.

    So was the inner cylinder thickness selected or tuned as to what Em field freqs are thermalised and what Em field freqs are allowed to pass through?

    http://mustcalculate.com/electronics/skindepth.php?mat=sts&f=50

    I pixel counted the attached image to get the inner cylinder wall 3mm thickness.
    .

    • adriano

      “I pixel counted the attached image to get the inner cylinder wall 3mm thickness”

      LOL Dude this is awsome

  • Engineer48

    With stainless steel a 200Hz Em field has a 1x skin depth penetration of 2.9mm. Really good stoppage needs 3x that depth. A 50Hz field has a 1x skin depth in SS of 5.9mm. So a 3mm thick SS inner cylinder wall would start passing Em fields of 200Hz and lower.

    A 50Hz field would easily penetrate the 3mm thick SS wall with little eddy current heating.

    So was the inner cylinder thickness selected or tuned as to what Em field freqs are thermalised and what Em field freqs are allowed to pass through?

    http://mustcalculate.com/electronics/skindepth.php?mat=sts&f=50

    I pixel counted the attached image to get the inner cylinder wall 3mm thickness.
    .

    • adriano

      “I pixel counted the attached image to get the inner cylinder wall 3mm thickness”

      LOL Dude this is awsome

  • Engineer48

    Thanks to Frank, you all are with me on this journey.

    What I learn, what I think that means, now I intend to implement what I learn and workout and finally build and test will be shared via this thread.

    This will be as public or more as MFMP does.

    I do believe I can make a LENR reactor work and work very well. Why? Because I can stand on the shoulders of those who went before and if what I discover and share via this thread can help others, well they are welcomed to use that information and to stand on my shoulders if that helps them to see further down the road.
    .

    • georgehants

      Engineer48, it seems that you are going to an awful lot of effort for nothing, in a reply to me below,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada
      Assures me that there is open, published, repeatable, data that would allow you to immediately follow and repeatably show a COP of above 1.
      I have asked him to kindly put up a link to this information that you seem to have missed.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        I said nothing about plans or a recipe that you can follow – and your context and statement never was limited to such a narrow context.

        What I said is there are rather good independent tests of LENR devices producing heat.
        Brilllion and their SRI tests are such an example.

        The skeptical physicist provided by the American Physics Society for the 60 minutes “cold fusion is hot again” piece also has a great example of someone who looked into LENR and visited a lab I Israel – this physicist again concluded that LENR was real and
        not some measuring artifact.

        So your claim or statement said nothing about a recipe that one can follow.

        edit: Actually, my bad and my apologies – I see that you did in fact limit your context..

        So yes, you are correct that no published recipe that can be repeated has been published – the Canon patent Bob Greener talked about does make this claim – you follow their recommends and you will see results – but not aware anyone followed their “formula”. So published recipes do exist – but they have not be tested nor replicated to my knowledge – but that don’t mean if someone follows those published recipes that we would not see results.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Engineer48

    Doing pixel counting, the coil holes in the ceramic holder are ~7.8mm in id and the wire is ~1mm in dia.

    Which suggests the 16 heater coils in the Black HotCat are 7mm OD, 5mm ID with a stretched length of around 300mm which should be doable.

    Counting coils say ~90 turns per coil over a 300mm length which give ~1.5m per coil of AWG18 (1.02mm dia) Kanthal wire at 0.22ohm/mtr = 5.3ohm for the 16 coils which agrees with the measured coil resistance of 6 ohms.

    Happy engineer = measured data = theory data.
    .

    • Bob Greenyer

      Nice exercise in reverse engineering. It is this kind of thing that at least verifies the physical attributes are not just made up numbers for no reason.

      For me, not knowing that the Ottoman-style E-Cat was lead shielded and then coming to the conclusion that the signal from GS 5.3 would require 50mm of lead and then finding out that it was exactly that much that was used in those E-Cats was a profound moment – our own experimental data established the necessity for historical design decisions that we were unaware of.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        The reality is there.

        We just need to take the time to read it, to have the training/experience to understand what we are seeing and then to relate what was seen to other engineering numbers.

        And when they match, well that is a happy engineer that has confirmed he/she understand what he/she is looking at.

        From that understanding you can workout why it is there and what job it is doing.

        I hate reinventing the wheel. So much wasted time.
        .

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bob,

        The reality is there.

        We just need to take the time to read it, to have the training/experience to understand what we are seeing and then to relate what was seen to other engineering numbers.

        And when they match, well that is a happy engineer that has confirmed he/she understand what he/she is looking at.

        From that understanding you can workout why it is there and what job it is doing.

        I hate reinventing the wheel. So much wasted time.
        .

        • Bob Greenyer

          Me too, I hope that through our combined opening out of this information, new entrants do not have to start at ground zero every time, that is one of the points of LOS.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Needing to reinvent the wheel every time is not progress.
            .

      • psi2u2

        Very interesting account of what you might call the “incidental confirmation.” I have this type of experience very often in my work in the humanities. When you get several you know you are on the right track and that eventually you can discover the other relevant parameters.

  • Steve H

    E48,
    An excellent set of observations.
    Do you intend using 3 phase power for the EM stimulation?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Steve,

      See no need. Single phase should be OK.
      .

  • Steve H

    E48,
    An excellent set of observations.
    Do you intend using 3 phase power for the EM stimulation?

    • Engineer48

      Hi Steve,

      See no need. Single phase should be OK.
      .

      • LT

        If single phase would do, why then did Rossi use 3 phase (at least for his lower power versions of the ECAT) ?

        • Thomas Kaminski

          If you look at the “six cylinder” model, there are only 2 heater wires, implying single phase. I suspect the three phase was because of earlier designs that knew worked.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Thomas,

            Correct. Same for the BlueCat and Tiger reactors.

            Larest heater excitation seems to be 208 (phase to phase US) or 220-240vac single phase.

            I’m designing for 240vac as that is what I have.
            .

          • Steve H

            Hi E48
            Not nit-picking, just a query.
            1.732 x 120 = 208 volts (phase to phase). OK got that.
            1.732 x 240 = 415 volts (phase to phase). Hence the need for an industrial, 3-phase supply to tap from.
            His earlier experiments were in Italy – which as you know uses 220 – 240 volts for domestic use. It is also possible to get this type of supply in the USA – I believe.
            I always thought it unusual when AR preferred 3 phase originally, but it may be so that he can get the 415 volts to create “high” voltage/induced EMF.
            In conclusion – two wires can deliver >400 volts @ 60Hz (USA) with the correct industrial supply.

            The give-away would be in AR’s photo’s if there are warning signs adjacent to the equipment – stating “Danger High Voltage – 415V”. This is as per electrical regulations where single and three phase supplies exist within the same work area.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Steve,

            I believe 208 to 240vac is what is needed,
            Here in Oz that comes straight out the wall socket.
            In the US you need to go phase to phase.

            As far as I know Rossi only excited one early version of the Black HotCat with 3 phase and for earlier and later variants it was just 240vac single phase (ROW) or 208vac phase to phase(US).
            .

          • Steve H

            No problem.
            Just curious.

      • roseland67

        48,

        Possible to use dc w/rectifier?

  • Engineer48

    Ok guys have a go at tearing this apart. Need to make it all engineering like but this should give an indication of where I’m going.

    The fuel rod is quartz tubing with quartz rod inserts from each end to control the fuel area. Whole fuel rod, including swagelok fittings at each end will slide inside the 3mm wall thickness SS thermalizer cylinder.

    Electrical heaters will be located between the outer cylinder and the inner cylinder.

    Designed to limit damage from BANG events, which I expect there to be many as this design is expected to fold back a lot of heat to the reactor core.

    Right side end plate to flange interface will be water tight so the whole reactor can be placed vertically (right rotate of the drawing) into a tank/bucket of water if desired and still be operated with total safety.

    The reactor can also have the Rossi Stove Pipe totally covered in heavy insulation treatment.

    Designed to operate in

    in water
    in air with no additional insulation
    in air with additional insulation
    at any orientation in air but must be upright in water
    have significant self shielding against BANG damage to the reactor (worst case you lose the fuel rod) and to external operators and equipment.

    Not shown is the still in development high speed control computer, which will feature extensive data logging via a WiFi link to a laptop and the ability to have real time reactor parameter monitoring and the ability to adjust various reactor settings. So one small PCB (with various interfaces in and out) and one laptop is all that will be needed to develop and run the reactor.
    .

    • TOUSSAINT francois

      Boy! I am enjoying this ride !

    • Gerald

      Do you already have an open source control program that you think of using? Or is it all tailor made?

      • Engineer48

        Hi Gerald,

        Building power control systens is what I did. Code will be my microchip C code as I decided against a Raspberry in favour of raw speed in dealing with control input processing loops.

        Raspberry may work OK but for now I want heaps of speed as I really have no real ubderstanding of what I need to control but with heaps of speed I can write code and design hardware to handle just about anything that needs to be done.
        .

        • Rene

          The PI2 will fast enough. Even an applet in python can do sub-millisecond actions. Certainly complied C code is no issue with latencies. I use it for ADS-B MLAT, have a friend who uses it in his high power diode laser cutters.

          • Thomas Kaminski

            Rene,

            I agree, The Pi3 is even faster, and for ADS-B, I have been using Hardkernel’s XU4. Precise real-time is a bit of a problem unless you use a realtime kernel. E48’s solution will probably be better at precise RT control. I think the RPi3 with python is the way to monitor the process and plot data,

          • Rene

            Or write it in a non-interpreted language, like c, c++. And yes, there are several hard-RT kernels to choose.

        • Gerald

          Clear

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      E48, Are you still negotiating with Rossi to buy reactors?

      • Engineer48

        Hi Bernie,

        Yes my many pending reactors are still there.

        The Black Box reactor I’m working on is not intended to compete with Leonardo.
        .

    • Rene

      That rightmost plate, make it deliberately weak so that should a bang occur, that will be the direction of the blast event. Then you can design for a catchment/snubber on that end.

    • Hhiram

      Will this design support a dummy charge? A null result will, as always, be a crucial point of comparison.

  • Engineer48

    With Mats permission here is a bit of Gold from chapter 15, An Impossible Invention

    Over time, however, I would begin to understand that the test had not been as trouble-free as it had seemed, but on the contrary quite dramatic.
     
    And two years later, under a pseudonym, Domenico Fioravanti described in a post on the web forum Cobraf.com how the problems had started when the power to the electric cartridges had been turned off at 12:36 pm.
     
    The plant then went into self-sustaining mode with just the heat from the reactors, which the military customer wanted to verify, but at the same moment the temperature began to rise in some of the reactors that apparently were not getting enough water.
     
    Steam had begun to enter into the pipes where the cooling water was pumped in and created an imbalance in the flow of water, and to save the situation, half of the reactors were disconnected.
     
    In retrospect Fioravanti would conclude that the problems were due to various design flaws concerning pumps, expansion tanks and gaskets.
     
    But he also noted that the test was successful anyway and that he had decided to stop earlier than Rossi had planned, when the plant had been running in self-sustaining mode for five and a half hours, which was enough.

    What we learn here is why every BlueCat and Tiger have independent reactor internal water level sensor and topping up pump to maintain constant water in each reactor was feeding the total flow from pumps that supply multiple reactors can never achieve constant reactor water level.

    This is real world product development driven by coalface real world results feedback. No one would do this for a scam.

    Here in my plant schematic you can see the individual reactor water level sensors &; topping up pumps.

    They are there because of the problems encounter 28 Oct 2011.
    .

    • Gerald

      So that is the reason for this “expensive” design. Sounds logic. In case of failure of topping pump they open and the main pump functions as failsafe to prevent run away next to cutting power etc? I shall read the pump manual later, did notice they keep a lot of data localy stored.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Gerald,

        As per the BlueCat control box schematic I worked out, if a individual reactor’s pump fails, that reactor’s heater will never be energised.

        Each reactor’s heater circuit also has an individual circuit breaker plus the ability to remotely trip that circuit breaker, so even if a relay failed in a way that continually delivered power to the reactor’s heater core, there are 2 additional layers of protection to shut down the reactor.

        Again this is real world engineering designed into a real working plant. Nway for any of this if this was a scam.

        • Engineer48

          Images

          • Gerald

            Next week when my holyday is over I’ll show them to the engineers I work with.

        • Gerald

          Personally I never really believed it was a scam. To many thing felt right. Rossi never lied as far I can verify, maybe sometimes a little optimistic but that is nature not much more. Does he have a controlled commercial viable proces

          • Gerald

            Some went wrong on the phone. I really don’t know of his proces is viable or if there is a cop of 50. It is somewhat out of this world, but it just looks real and no way its a Hollywood scam.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      E48, yes there are just so many of these examples that point to it not being a scam.

  • Engineer48

    With Mats permission here is a bit of Gold from chapter 15, An Impossible Invention

    Over time, however, I would begin to understand that the test had not been as trouble-free as it had seemed, but on the contrary quite dramatic.
     
    And two years later, under a pseudonym, Domenico Fioravanti described in a post on the web forum Cobraf.com how the problems had started when the power to the electric cartridges had been turned off at 12:36 pm.
     
    The plant then went into self-sustaining mode with just the heat from the reactors, which the military customer wanted to verify, but at the same moment the temperature began to rise in some of the reactors that apparently were not getting enough water.
     
    Steam had begun to enter into the pipes where the cooling water was pumped in and created an imbalance in the flow of water, and to save the situation, half of the reactors were disconnected.
     
    In retrospect Fioravanti would conclude that the problems were due to various design flaws concerning pumps, expansion tanks and gaskets.
     
    But he also noted that the test was successful anyway and that he had decided to stop earlier than Rossi had planned, when the plant had been running in self-sustaining mode for five and a half hours, which was enough.

    What we learn here is why every BlueCat and Tiger have independent reactor internal water level sensor and topping up pump to maintain constant water in each reactor as feeding the total flow from pumps that supply multiple reactors can never achieve constant individual reactor water level.

    This is real world product development driven by coalface real world results feedback. No one would do this for a scam.

    Here in my plant schematic you can see the individual reactor water level sensors &; topping up pumps.

    They are there because of the problems encounter 28 Oct 2011.
    .

    • Gerald

      So that is the reason for this “expensive” design. Sounds logic. In case of failure of topping pump they open and the main pump functions as failsafe to prevent run away next to cutting power etc? I shall read the pump manual later, did notice they keep a lot of data localy stored.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Gerald,

        As per the BlueCat control box schematic I worked out, if a individual reactor’s pump fails, that reactor’s heater will never be energised.

        Each reactor’s heater circuit also has an individual circuit breaker plus the ability to remotely trip that circuit breaker, so even if a relay failed in a way that continually delivered power to the reactor’s heater core, there are 2 additional layers of protection to shut down the reactor.

        Again this is real world engineering designed into a real working plant. Nway for any of this if this was a scam.

        • Engineer48

          Images

          • Gerald

            Next week when my holyday is over I’ll show them to the engineers I work with.

        • Gerald

          Personally I never really believed it was a scam. To many thing felt right. Rossi never lied as far I can verify, maybe sometimes a little optimistic but that is nature not much more. Does he have a controlled commercial viable proces

          • Gerald

            Some went wrong on the phone. I really don’t know of his proces is viable or if there is a cop of 50. It is somewhat out of this world, but it just looks real and no way its a Hollywood scam.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      E48, yes there are just so many of these examples that point to it not being a scam.

  • OT: A couple of new lawyers from that new law firm representing Leonardo added to the case.

    One is named Porpoise! And the other’s middle name is Dewey!

    D. Porpoise Evans
    Paul Dewey Turner

    http://pbyalaw.com/professionals/

    • Eyedoc

      HeHe ! what entertainment……..

    • Fernando Aran (a Cuban-American Boy Scout with a doctorate from Georgetown Law School!) added as attorney for J.M. Products, Inc., Henry Johnson, United States Quantum Leap, LLC.

      Interesting that USQL (Fabiani) would piggyback on JMP’s/Johnson’s lawyer. Guess we know where Fulvio stands.

  • Hey, Disqus just added spoiler tags.

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks for the tip, LG — I hadn’t seen that. How do you make them work?

      • Just ‘spoiler’ tags before and after as if they were HTML.

        • Frank Acland

          Like this?

  • Thomas Kaminski

    If you look at the “six cylinder” model, there are only 2 heater wires, implying single phase. I suspect the three phase was because of earlier designs that knew worked.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Thomas,

      Correct. Same for the BlueCat and Tiger reactors.

      Larest heater excitation seems to be 208 (phase to phase US) or 220-240vac single phase.

      I’m designing for 240vac as that is what I have.
      .

      • Steve H

        Hi E48
        Not nit-picking, just a query.
        1.732 x 120 = 208 volts (phase to phase). OK got that.
        1.732 x 240 = 415 volts (phase to phase). Hence the need for an industrial, 3-phase supply to tap from.
        His earlier experiments were in Italy – which as you know uses 220 – 240 volts for domestic use. It is also possible to get this type of supply in the USA – I believe.
        I always thought it unusual when AR preferred 3 phase originally, but it may be so that he can get the 415 volts to create “high” voltage/induced EMF.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Steve,

          I believe 208 to 240vac is what is needed,
          Here in Oz that comes straight out the wall socket.
          In the US you need to go phase to phase.

          As far as I know Rossi only excited one early version of the Black HotCat with 3 phase and for earlier and later variants it was just 240vac single phase (ROW) or 208vac phase to phase(US).
          .

          • Steve H

            No problem.
            Just curious.

  • wizkid

    Nice work E48. May I ask for an illustration that shows the water flow please? I can’t see it in this image here:

    http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4139/2897/original.jpg

    Thanks!

    (I’ll keep pushing shite uphill for now 🙂 )

    • Engineer48

      Hi Wizkid,

      Have ideas but need to get the reactor working 1st.
      .

      • wizkid

        Thx. Any ideas on sourcing high surface area nickel powder to use in the fuel? I’ve been using reagent quality nickel powder, but looks like the high surface stuff help the tunneling processes. ???

        • Engineer48

          Hi WizKid,

          Alan Smith from LookingForHeat will be working with me on that.
          .

          • wizkid

            Tell Alan Tom says hello.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Would be amazed the very high surface area Ni powder is not already in use.
            So where to source?

            Using pre hydrogenated NI seems to be a good idea but how to do the Ni hydrogenation with atomic / single atom H as just maybe doing the hydrogenation with normal dual atom H may not work well due to the larger physical size. But hey I’m not a chemist.

            As I see it, once the Li and LAN melt and coat all the Ni surface, well that is all the H that will get into the NI, and that may be what limits the fuel life?

            Wonder if this 65m^2/g NI has too much surface area for the volume of Li & LAN to fully coat and seal in the H? Maybe need more Li & LAN to work best with 65m^2/g Ni power?
            .

          • Mats002

            Hi E48 and Wizkid (Tom),

            Tom Conover is one of the few experimenters here at ECW having several meltdowns/runaways, see http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/07/17/tom-conover-reports-on-replication-efforts/ , and the E-Cat reengineering work from E48 is the answer for how to transform a runaway to a stable high COP mode, see http://disq.us/p/1awwoix.

            Because you have one piece each of the puzzle, I suggest you put them together 😉

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats002,

            Ist I need a working reactor so I can talk the walk.
            .

          • Mats002

            The point is that Tom has a working reactor, but he lacks the control, because it goes BANG (runaway). He needs a feedback listener and you can advice on that.

          • Some Swedes are well known diplomats, making people talk to each other 😉

          • Engineer48

            Hi Mats,

            Yup, so it seems.

          • wizkid

            Thanks Mats … Even though I only have some shite to share, I am trying to parley nice.

          • wizkid

            E48:

            Here is where to source, and get the safety data sheet. Also my graph of my most recent live reactor test from last night – null results so far, no runaway this time.

            google search: “Pure Nickel Ni Metal Flak Powder”
            (find your choice of vendors)

            Get the safety Data Sheet:
            https://www.fishersci.com/shop/msdsproxy?storeId=10652&productName=AC395925000

            The most expensive vendor on earth:
            http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/search?term=7440-02-0&interface=CAS%20No.&N=0+&mode=partialmax&lang=en&region=US&focus=product

            I ran a live test last night with Ni+7Li+LAH last night as fuel. See graph.
            I purchased some Raney Nickel; aka “Ni Metal Flak Powder Reagent” last night.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Happy to share.

            Can you share your reactor design?

            Do you have a 3mm thick SS cylinder surrounding your fuel rod so aas to thermalise anything, photons, Gammas, Em fields, etc that may come out of the reaction and fold the resultant long wave IR back to the reactor?

            Is your reactor insulated to stop heat loss?

            You mentioned a graph of your most recent reactor run?

            What is the design of your heater and how do you excite it?
            .

          • wizkid

            To see the graph of my last run, click the view button on the discus. I will draw up the design of mine reactor later today when I am back in the office and upload it for you to view.

          • wizkid

            Here is the reactor design (image attached and link to Google Docs).

            https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZP_FfCs8RGufS6pcKwCavyPwXZwkV3WEFdZ5qY3IotA/pub

            Can you share your reactor design? Yes (Google Docs)

            Do you have a 3mm thick SS cylinder surrounding your fuel rod so as to thermalise anything, photons, Gammas, Em fields, etc that may come out of the reaction and fold the resultant long wave IR back to the reactor? I use Stainless Steel Tube ID .148 In, OD: .1875 In, Wall thickness .020 In. Fuel is loaded and ends are laser welded to seal the cell.

            Is your reactor insulated to stop heat loss? More than before. I use a very thick Alumina casing; Outer Hull, Alumina 99.99%
            65810 OD: 0.590 in ID: 0.394.

            You mentioned a graph of your most recent reactor run? I posted it already.

            What is the design of your heater and how do you excite it? See Google docs link or look at it below this comment.

            My Raney-Nickel is on the way! 🙂

          • SG

            Interesting null graph. How do you explain the precipitous temperature drop-off? Was there a reactor breach?

          • SG

            Ah, I see you are using WattHrs on the y-axis, not Watts. So correct me if I’m wrong, but it appears you just turned off the power.

          • wizkid

            I used watts and Watt hours, but the graph is easier to read with watt hours. The test is controlled by an Arduino computer that automatically turns the power off at 650 minutes and allow to cool off time and demonstrates the cool off time. This reactor used a 55 ohm coil, and only achieved 850 degrees Celsius. I will be building a 50 ohm coil and testing it next week. The Arduino automatically monitors for an LENR event and controls the temperature if one is determined. Thank you for your interest, I will be answering e48 later today regarding the heater design.

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Freebie to think about:

            Logic says.

            Ni raw surface dissociates H2 to H & H. (Maybe H+ & H-)

            H2 source is LAN.

            Melted LAN will release H2 but also coat Ni, stopping H2 dissociation.

            Ni must be exposed to LAN released H2 but the melted LAN must not coat the Ni.

            Ditto for melted Li to NOT coat the Ni.

            Reaction chamber design must enable this to happen.

            Mixing the Ni & Li & LAN together as a fuel power is maybe NOT a good idea!!!
            .

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wizkid,

            Just thinking out loud.

            Consider the Ni will dissociate any H2 that hits it’s surface and hold the 2 x dissociated Hs on its surface. So if the Ni surface is coated with ANYTHING, the Ni just might not do any H2 dissociation and NOT have any dissociated Hs on its surface.

            IE the Li or LAN coating the NI may stop it loading any more H and maybe NO H.

            Just maybe Rossi has the LAN the other side of a thin Palladium membrane, which will let the H2 through to the Ni but nothing else?

            Do we understand why the Li is there?

            Have we all been taken on a ride of too much information?
            .

  • Hhiram

    Hi E48,

    You’re providing tremendous info about the reactor housing and control, amazing reverse-engineering work!

    Can we ask: what is your plan for the fuel? Hank Mill’s recent post (in line with what many of us have long expected) suggests that having a hyper-porous micro/nano structure is crucial. Have you identified a supplier for all of the fuel components, including the structure-sensitive nickel powder?

    (My own suspicion is that Rossi is actually sourcing this powder from his UK partner Johnson Matthey, who as we presume through the various holding companies were also his “customer” in the 1-year test.)

    • Engineer48

      Hi Hhiram,

      I’ll be working with Alan Smith from LookingForHeat for my fuel. To start plan to follow the Rossi patent as close as can be done.

      With the plumping on the reactor, will be able to pump to vac or pressurise the system with H for a few days if desired.

      Something like this but with a different arrangement of a few bits.
      .

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      It’s time to lay this myth to rest.

      http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=892&cpage=101#comment-1176404 April 24, 2016 at 4:22 PM

      Andrea Rossi: “Your comment contains a big mistake: Johnson Matthey has nothing to do with us. We bought from them some materials but that is all. Please do not diffuse false information.
      No further comments.”

      Some have speculated that Rossi is protecting his partner’s privacy, but that would be handled by not making a comment at all. If pressed, Rossi has a standard refusal to discuss anything connected to Rossi v. Darden, and that would quite suffice.

      In any case, Industrial Heat would certainly have checked this by private contact with the real Johnson Matthey, before mentioning this in their Answer.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I like the reactor but I always like to have a pressure relief valve somewhere in the system when I do pressurized reactions (I’m not too fond of pipe bombs).
    http://encyclopedia.che.engin.umich.edu/Images/Safety/PressureRelief/PRV_1.jpg
    And maybe a little glass wool at the cooler end between the fuel and the gage to prevent the powders from clogging the gage and valve (although it just might make things worse with the molten lithium).
    This MSDS says glass wool has a melting of 1710 C. I didn’t think an amorphous solid would have a sharp melting point.

    http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9924141

    • Engineer48

      Hi Alan,

      Thanks.

      The glass wool idea looks good as the fuel tube end stuffer rods will have a small gap. Don’t intend for the rod stuffers to tightly compact the fuel but to just try to restricts it movement a bit. Which means YES there could be some small
      powder movement until the Li and LAN melts & coats the Ni.

      As for a pressure relief valve on the fuel rod, well I guess cracking the quartz rod will do that and forensic analysis of the crack site might deliver interesting intel.

      Alan from LookingForHeat has agreed to use his shaker and ball mill to mix the fuel.
      .

  • Engineer48

    Hi Hhiram,

    I’ll be working with Alan Smith from LookingForHeat for my fuel. To start plan to follow the Rossi patent as close as can be done.

    With the plumping on the reactor, will be able to pump to vac or pressurise the system with H for a few days if desired.

    Something like this but with a different arrangement of a few bits.
    .

  • Tim Reese

    MFMP has also addressed some of these issues with sustaining the reactor (converting high wavelength radiation back to the reactor as heat) in this video…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtTeHU4vBmc

    And, Brillouin Energy, has also discussed pulsing the reactor to control and accelerate the process…

    “the repetitive application of a very short, high-powered excitation
    pulse to the rod core. Brillouin has determined that precisely how the
    core is fabricated, the hydrogen is loaded, and the pulse is applied
    affect whether or not LENR occurs and the intensity of the reactions. – ”

    See more at: http://brillouinenergy.com/about/faqs/#sthash.sUVgaqBD.dpuf

    • Engineer48

      Hi Tim,

      But there was no iron inside to break the H2 into H, so how to force enough diatomic H2 into the Ni, when in may need monatomic H to be small enough to get significant H inside the Ni lattice?

      Google Haber reaction to make Ammonia from N and H2.
      .

      • gameover

        H2 automatically dissociates at the surface of the Ni grains, where is then absorbed inside the metal in atomic form. The rate of absorption (and it seems, also the total amount of hydrogen absorbed) depends by the total Ni surface area available. To increase the atomic H absorption, increase the Ni surface so that more H2 is dissociated and absorbed. Industrial nanostructured catalysts have a large surface area, so they absorb H quickly and in great quantities.

      • Tim Reese

        That’s a good question… I have wondered about this too. Electrolysis, provides ionic hydrogen, if you’re using a wet reactor. But a dry, powder reactor?
        Maybe someone out there can help explain this?

        • Mats002

          At a deeper level the PF effect is caused by electron density at the tip of the cathode. Huge pressure in a tiny volume.

          In powder there are many places (NAEs) where high electron density at cathodes can occur. In wet system only one.

          It is a scale up thing.

  • Engineer48
  • Engineer48

    Interesting:

    http://www.lookingforheat.com/shop/chemicals/hydrogenated-nickel-nanopowder-ni-cas-7440-02-0/

    http://www.lookingforheat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/LENR-Hydrogenation-of-Nickel-as-a-factor-in-Excess-Heat.pdf

    Will need to alter my reactor fuel rod plumbing a bit.

    Using pre hydrogenated NI seems to be a good idea but how to do the Ni hydrogenation with atomic / single atom H as just maybe doing the hydrogenation with normal dual atom H may not work well due to the larger physical size. But hey I’m not a chemist.

    As I see it, once the Li and LAN melt and coat all the Ni surface, well that is all the H that will get into the NI, and that may be what limits the fuel life?

    Wonder if this 65m^2/g NI has too much surface area for the volume of Li & LAN to fully coat and seal in the H? Maybe need more Li & LAN to work best with 65m^2/g Ni power?
    .

    • LesioQ

      Maybe a high voltage arc discharge ‘pretreatment’ to inflowing Hydrogen would do the trick. It does in atomic hydrogen welder.

  • gameover

    So Engineer48,

    In practice what is this EMF feedback (as I seem to understand) doing? Are we sure there isn’t an easier or more practical way to do the same thing? Keep in mind that Rossi may be doing was he is doing to protect his interests or in other words to make reverse engineering more complicated.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Gameover,

      I suspect the EMF induced into the heater coil is a measure of the strength of the reaction, sort of a reactor heartbeat that is a much faster feedback than using a thermocouple, of which on the BlueCat reactor is only on the steam output. There is no thermocouple on the reactor core. So how to monitor the activity of the reaction?
      .

      • gameover

        Now I get it. I did not understand correctly what you meant as it’s very hard to follow the discussion here. Either the reaction generates directly some sort of signal that goes back to the input or the performance is very predictable.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Tim,

    But there was no iron inside to break the H2 into H, so how to force enough H2 into the Ni, when in may need H to be small enough to get significant H inside the Ni lattice?

    Google Haber reaction to make Ammonia from N and H2.
    .

  • Engineer48

    Hi Guys,

    Palladium is used as a membrane to filter H2 to VERY pure H2,
    http://www.saespuregas.com/cm/Products/Gas-Purifier/Hydrogen/Palladium-Membrane/Palladium-Purifier-PS7-PD05.html

    It does this by the Palladium dissociating H2 on the surface, then transporting the 2 x Hs through the thin membrane until it gets to the other side where the 2 x Hs recombines to form H2.

    What if Palladium was deposited onto Ni as a thin film, the Palladium outer surface dissociates the H2 in 2 x Hs, then transported the 2 x Hs to the other side of the thin Palladium film, to the Ni/Palladium bound line, where the surface of the Ni is exposed to pure H for easy and rapid lattice absorption.

    Comments?
    .

    • Engineer48

      This just gets better and better as tall tails are unwound.

      Interesting that ANY transition metal will dissociate H2 and adsorb (hold on the surface) the 2 x Hs. So the Ni should dissociate ANY H2 that hits its surface and leave the 2 x Hs on the surface. I assume by heating and pressure the 2 x Hs are then driven into the Ni lattice.
      http://orgchem.chem.uconn.edu/2444f2011/2444-102411.pdf

      So forget the Iron, the Palladium and the super special high M^2/g NI. Red Herrings. Not Needed.

      Use Raney Nickel which has a BET rating of over 100m^2/g.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raney_nickel

      Just add pressure and a little heat to force the dissociated 2 x Hs into the lattice.
      .

      • wpj

        The problem with Raney (AKA sponge) Ni is that it is stored over water as it has a propensity to go up in flames if dried out due to the absorbed hydrogen and the high surface area.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          So put the Raney slurry into the fuel rod, seal it, vac the water away, pressurize with H2 to really fill the Raney surface and cracks with H, hold until the pressure is stable, wait a few hours, vac the H2 off, seal it and should be ready to go. Maybe no need for LAH or Li.
          .

          • wpj

            We usually washed with alcohol a couple of times, decanted most and (if not sticking in someone’s drying oven as a joke) remove the alcohol under vacuum, crack to nitrogen and work fast!

            The silica/alumina absorbed material might be a better option.

      • wpj

        Forgot to mention Nickel on Silica/alumina which is nice and stable as an alternative to Ra-Ni.

        http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/208779?lang=en&region=GB

      • wpj

        The Ni/Silica/alumina has 170 sq m /g.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          But what is the actual Ni surface area as it is ONLY a NI surface that will cause H2 dissociation and adsorb (not absorb) / hold the 2 x Hs on it’s surface.

          This effect is VITAL.
          .

          • wpj

            I am assuming it is the Ni surface as it is coated as a thin layer on top of the silica/alumina rather than as particles (as per RaNi).

            I need to check the Lugano analysis for Si and Al, which I believe we quite substantial; not enough time at the moment; need to ship a product on Tuesday and it’s currently out of spec so no Bank Holiday for me!

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wpj,

            Biggie below:

            Logic says.

            Ni raw surface dissociates H2 to H & H. (Maybe H+ & H-)

            H2 source is LAN.

            Melted LAN will release H2 but also coat Ni, stopping H2 dissociation.

            Ni must be exposed to LAN released H2 but the melted LAN must not coat the Ni.

            Ditto for melted Li to NOT coat the Ni.

            Reaction chamber design must enable this to happen.

            Mixing the Ni & Li & LAN together as a fuel power is maybe NOT a good idea!!!
            .

          • Mats002

            E48, did you mean LAH, not LAN? If not, what is LAN?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          Is that surface area determined by BET H2 adsorption?
          If so that is an amazing value!

      • wizkid

        The LAH melting adds pressure to be able to trigger the reaction you described. It also produces hydrogen gas which is absorbed of course by the nickel, Raney nickel. The Li7 morphs into Li6 according to the isotopic analysis of the ash. I’m glad that you enjoyed my introduction of the Raney Nickel to this group.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Guys,

    Palladium is used as a membrane to filter H2 to VERY pure H2,
    http://www.saespuregas.com/cm/Products/Gas-Purifier/Hydrogen/Palladium-Membrane/Palladium-Purifier-PS7-PD05.html

    It does this by the Palladium dissociating H2 on the surface, then transporting the 2 x Hs through the thin membrane until it gets to the other side where the 2 x Hs recombines to form H2.

    What if Palladium was deposited onto Ni as a thin film, the Palladium outer surface dissociates the H2 in 2 x Hs, then transported the 2 x Hs to the other side of the thin Palladium film, to the Ni/Palladium bound line, where the surface of the Ni is exposed to pure H for easy and rapid lattice absorption.

    Comments?
    .

    • Engineer48

      This just gets better and better as tall tails are unwound.

      Interesting that ANY transition metal will dissociate H2 and adsorb (hold on the surface) the 2 x Hs. So the Ni should dissociate ANY H2 that hits its surface and leave the 2 x Hs on the surface. I assume by heating and pressure the 2 x Hs are then driven into the Ni lattice.
      http://orgchem.chem.uconn.edu/2444f2011/2444-102411.pdf

      So forget the Iron, the Palladium and the super special high M^2/g NI. Red Herrings. Not Needed.

      Use Raney Nickel which has a BET rating of over 100m^2/g.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raney_nickel

      Just add pressure and a little heat to force the dissociated 2 x Hs into the lattice.
      .

      • wpj

        The problem with Raney (AKA sponge) Ni is that it is stored over water as it has a propensity to go up in flames if dried out due to the absorbed hydrogen and the high surface area.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          So put the Raney slurry into the fuel rod, seal it, vac the water away, pressurize with H2 to really fill the Raney surface and cracks with dissociated H, hold until the pressure is stable, wait a few hours, vac the H2 off, seal it and should be ready to go. Maybe no need for LAH or Li.
          .

          • wpj

            We usually washed with alcohol a couple of times, decanted most and (if not sticking in someone’s drying oven as a joke) remove the alcohol under vacuum, crack to nitrogen and work fast!

            The silica/alumina absorbed material might be a better option.

          • Hhiram

            Hi E48 (and WPJ),

            Just FYI (you’re probably already aware), Johnson Matthey (UK) manufacturers metal sponges (including palladium):

            http://www.jmprotech.com/sponge-metal-johnson-matthey

            The sponge of the platinum group metals takes the form of powder:

            http://www.platinum.matthey.com/services/faqs/what-is-the-sponge-form-of-platinum-group-metals

            So, again, it seems possible – perhaps likely – that Rossi is working with them as his supplier of ultra-high-surface-area nanopowder. And just as a reminder to all: Johnson Matthey UK is strongly suspected to be the holding company of JM Chemical Products, the “customer” of the 1-year test in Florida.

          • gameover

            Spongy catalysts are made to be nanostructured within their entire volume, in a tridimensional manner. I don’t think there is need for them to be in the form of nanoparticles, microparticles will be ok too and safer to use.

      • wpj

        Forgot to mention Nickel on Silica/alumina which is nice and stable as an alternative to Ra-Ni.

        http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/product/aldrich/208779?lang=en&region=GB

        Actually, wasn’t there a lot of silicon and aluminium in the Lugano analysis, which was put down to the reactor tube, but maybe it wasn’t?

      • wpj

        The Ni/Silica/alumina has 170 sq m /g.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          But what is the actual Ni surface area as it is ONLY a NI surface that will cause H2 dissociation and adsorb (not absorb) / hold the 2 x Hs on it’s surface.

          This effect is VITAL.
          .

          • wpj

            I am assuming it is the Ni surface as it is coated as a thin layer on top of the silica/alumina rather than as particles (as per RaNi).

            I need to check the Lugano analysis for Si and Al, which I believe we quite substantial; not enough time at the moment; need to ship a product on Tuesday and it’s currently out of spec so no Bank Holiday for me!

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wpj,

            Biggie below:

            Logic says.

            Ni raw surface dissociates H2 to H & H. (Maybe H+ & H-)

            H2 source is LAN.

            Melted LAN will release H2 but also coat Ni, stopping H2 dissociation.

            Ni must be exposed to LAN released H2 but the melted LAN must not coat the Ni.

            Ditto for melted Li to NOT coat the Ni.

            Reaction chamber design must enable this to happen.

            Mixing the Ni & Li & LAN together as a fuel power is maybe NOT a good idea!!!
            .

          • Mats002

            E48, did you mean LAH, not LAN? If not, what is LAN?

        • Engineer48

          Hi Wpj,

          Is that surface area determined by BET H2 adsorption?
          If so that is an amazing value!

      • gameover

        Ultrasounds could help the process by making the nickel grains agitate vigorously. This will in addition cause pressure waves in the H2 gas. Locally there may be large pressure gradients. The rubbing effect of the powders against themselves or other reactor parts (possibly made of ceramic) will also charge the particles (tribocharging) and potentially cause static discharges in the system, which can also help ionize the hydrogen gas among other things.

        This could overall help the reaction in addition to the high surface area nickel powder. But it may still be not enough.

      • wizkid

        The LAH melting adds pressure to be able to trigger the reaction you described. It also produces hydrogen gas which is absorbed of course by the nickel, Raney nickel. The Li7 morphs into Li6 according to the isotopic analysis of the ash. I’m glad that you enjoyed my introduction of the Raney Nickel to this group.

        • gameover

          I think there is a better way to add pressure….. see my reply to Engineer48 (it’s in the moderation queue at the time of writing).

  • Engineer48

    Hi Gameover,

    I suspect the EMF induced into the heater coil is a measure of the strength of the reaction, sort of a reactor heartbeat that is a much faster feedback than using a thermocouple, of which on the BlueCat reactor is only on the steam output. There is no thermocouple on the reactor core. So how to monitor the activity of the reaction?
    .

  • You are here:

    Planet Rossi has conclusively shown that the design of the 1 MW plant makes engineering sense and that it is possible to have an endothermic process within the customer area and dispose of any excess heat (all the way up to 1 MW); props to E48, Bone, Ged and others who chased all this down. Planet Zero won’t give an inch though and sticks by asserting an obvious scam perpetrated by a conspiratorial clan at least 4 people deep… with broiled engineers, half-filled pipes, and ridiculous air pressures and steam flows.

    Team Leonardo is lawyering up. Their response to Industrial Heat’s (et. al.) allegations of fraud are pending and could be very interesting. Three plants are supposedly being hand-built for the new ‘customer’ even as R&D on the Quark version of the E-Cat continues without, we are told, any major difficulties.

    MFMP is gearing up for GS6, armed with another iteration of lessons learned and has found a key University partner that should help them with the resources they need. me356 has gone silent for quite a while now though, tiring of the never ending stream of trolls online. Perhaps he’s on the verge of announcing/publishing something substantial. Others experiment as well (with, notably, E48 confident he’s cracked the nut and promising black box kits in the not too distant future).

    Congressional hearings on LENR approach in September and ICCF-20 approach in October. Further scientific evidence for LENR and LENR+ is likely to emerge from these, with perhaps some of the players in the field revealing more about their status and plans.

    The center cannot hold.

    Buckle up folks. The next couple of months have the potential to be utterly mind-blowing.

    • SG

      Although I cringed a little when you referred to the LENR+ community as Planet Rossi, perhaps it is time for the community to embrace the term so that it loses its pejorative connotation. Maybe it is also time for the anti-LENR+ folks to also embrace the Planet Zero moniker.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Sg,

        Maybe better to not join in with the name calling.
        .

        • It’s just shorthand.

      • Mats002

        We are the ECW University. I am a student here.

        Frank is principal and I wonder when we graduate, five years should give som title. Or at least a diploma 😉

        • “You can check out any time you like / But you can never leave!”

        • Frank Acland

          You all pass!

          • Frank Acland

            This is an exercise in persistence 🙂

          • Mats002

            Another year then… :/

        • sam

          I hope I don’t have to pass
          Axil course to receive my
          Diploma.
          AxilAugust 25, 2016 at 12:05 PM
          sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

          For more detail see as follows:

          arxiv.org/pdf/1604.08297v1.pdf

          Abstract

          Nonperturbative coupling of light with condensed matter in an optical cavity is expected to reveal a host of coherent many-body phenomena and states [1–7]. In addition, strong coherent light-matter interaction in a solid-state environment is of great interest to emerging quantum-based technologies [8, 9]. However, creating a system that combines a long electronic coherence time, a large dipole moment, and a high cavity quality (Q) factor has been a challenging goal [10–13]. Here, we report collective ultrastrong light-matter coupling in an ultrahigh-mobility two-dimensional electron gas in a high-Q terahertz photonic-crystal cavity in a quantizing magnetic field, demonstrating a cooperativity of ∼360. The splitting of cyclotron resonance (CR) into the lower and upper polariton branches exhibited a √ ne-dependence on the electron density (ne), a hallmark of collective vacuum Rabi splitting. Furthermore, a small but definite blue shift was observed for the polariton frequencies due to the normally negligible A 2 term in the light-matter interaction Hamiltonian. Finally, the high-Q cavity suppressed the superradiant decay of coherent CR, which resulted in an unprecedentedly narrow intrinsic CR linewidth of 5.6 GHz at 2 K. These results open up a variety of new possibilities to combine the traditional disciplines of many-body condensed matter physics and cavity-based quantum optics.

          The key to LENR is strong coupling between the hydrogen atom and light. When the cavity that holds the hydrogen is the optimum size, vacuum energy provides most of the energy to delocalized electrons from protons to form metalized hydrogen. The optimum cavity size does the same job as extreme pressure to form metalized hydrogen.

          If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed: a proton condinsate.

          This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of hydrogen as measured by Holmlid where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other, this state of charge delocalization has been seen in water inclusions inside a crystal.

          physics.aps.org/articles/v9/43
          Water Molecule Spreads Out When Caged

          What actually compresses the protons into a condinsate is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly.

          As described in the referenced article by looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a LENR researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance.

          Currently in LENR reactors, pure chance produces metalized hydrogen in a highly porous metal that feature a wide range of cavity sizes which include the optimum cavity size that is made widely available by random chance.

          What really compresses hydrogen to the LENR active ultra-dense metalized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, EMF environment and vacuum energy.

          • Mats002

            Well, the underlying reason to the LENR effect is very high electron density which evolve near a cathode. This is the common for wet PdD systems (FP) and NiH (Piantelli) and me356 and others plasma fusion reactors and Q-pulse as in Brillouin.

            At this underlying level of understanding of the phenomena we leave engineers like E48 because it is redundant information to make a working, safe reactor.

            Axil is chasning the level under the electron density causation so we now find ourself in pure wave-land.

            In the pure wave-land quantum mechanics rules, and here a nucleus is a living ball of yarn, having standing waves, twisting and turning, but because everything is waves of different frequencies they adds and take each other out.

            This is the world of zero point energy which is not a void, but instead holds an enourmous pressure.

            LENR free up this ZPE by wave interference.

            Can I go now?

          • sam

            Class Dismissed.

          • sam

            Hi Mats 002
            Does this Theory make any sense to you.
            Jelle Boersma

            Nov 9, 2008 at 4:23 am

            Perhaps the following theoretical idea related to how cold fusion may occur

            is highly naive, but since I could not find any documentation discussing this the

            only way to find out is to bring it up, Thanks for any feedback.

            Could it be that cold-fusion is facilitated by quantum-entanglement of two

            deuterium nuclei with the external degrees of freedom (eg the phonons

            in the metal-lattice in which the D-nuclei are dissolved).

            The idea is that if two D-nuclei are entangled with independent exterior degrees

            of freedom then the density matrix describing the subsystem of two D-nuclei

            will be diagonal and the interaction hamiltonian vanishes even when the two

            nuclei have overlapping wave-functions in space and time .

            In other words, the electrostatic repulsion between two D-nuclei could be temporarily neutralized, along with the weak and the strong interactions.

            For two decohered nuclei at the same location it would take recoherence (through alignment of the exterior degrees of freedom with which the two nuclei are entangled) to restore the interactions. If the two nuclei recohere with sufficient overlap so that the strong attraction exceeds the electrostatic repulsion then fusion may occur.
            Thanks
            Sam

    • psi2u2

      Very nice summary. And we haven’t even gotten to the October surprise yet.

      • Engineer48

        Now busy with reading as many of the Focardi, Piantelli & MFMP LENR papers as I can find. Thanks Bob & Hank for the Skype discussion

        Can tell you there are pure GOLD nuggets in those papers and Skype discussions, especially for someone who sees new dot points that others missed and how those new dot points relate to old dot points and other new dot points.

        Part of what it tells me is the Rossi patent fuel components will work but maybe not as a well mixed fuel power of the 3 ingredients Being Ni, Li & LiAlH4. But hey is that not the patent game? Never give all the recipe or recipe steps that should be obvious to someone skilled in the art, as if there are those skilled in the art of Rossi fuel mix recipe.

        The fog is clearing and I can see a very bright light at the end of my journey. Scotty, engage the “proton drive”. Now where did I put that Ni Mouse?

        BTW as Rossi has said many times, the design of the fuel chamber is critical, which I now believe is 100% correct.
        .

  • You are here:

    Planet Rossi has conclusively shown that the design of the 1 MW plant makes engineering sense and that it is possible to have an endothermic process within the customer area and dispose of any excess heat (all the way up to 1 MW); props to E48, Bone, Ged and others who chased all this down. Planet Zero won’t give an inch though and sticks by asserting an obvious scam perpetrated by a conspiratorial clan at least 4 people deep… with broiled engineers, half-filled pipes, and ridiculous air pressures and steam flows.

    Team Leonardo is lawyering up. Their response to Industrial Heat’s (et. al.) allegations of fraud is pending and could be very interesting. Three plants are supposedly being hand-built for the new ‘customer’ even as R&D on the Quark version of the E-Cat continues without, we are told, any major difficulties.

    MFMP is gearing up for GS6, armed with another iteration of lessons learned and has found a key University partner that should help them with the resources they need. me356 has gone silent for quite a while now though, tiring of the never ending stream of trolls online. Perhaps he’s on the verge of announcing/publishing something substantial. Others experiment as well (with, notably, E48 confident he’s cracked the nut and promising black box kits in the not too distant future).

    Congressional hearings on LENR approach in September and ICCF-20 approaches in October. Further scientific evidence for LENR and LENR+ is likely to emerge from these, with perhaps some of the players in the field revealing more about their status and plans.

    The center cannot hold.

    Buckle up folks. The next couple of months have the potential to be utterly mind-blowing.

    • SG

      Although I cringed a little when you referred to the LENR+ community as Planet Rossi, perhaps it is time for the community to embrace the term so that it loses its pejorative connotation. Maybe it is also time for the anti-LENR+ folks to also embrace the Planet Zero moniker.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Sg,

        Maybe better NOT to join in with the name calling.
        .

        • It’s just shorthand.

          EDIT: I coined Planet Zero…
          Zero excess heat…
          Zero chance that the E-Cat works…
          Rossi has zero credibility…
          Zero tests had a positive result…

          You get the idea. It’s not meant to be pejorative (necessarily… except when I want to use it that way, ha).

      • Mats002

        We are the ECW University. I am a student here.

        Frank is principal and I wonder when we graduate, five years should give som title. Or at least a diploma 😉

        • “You can check out any time you like / But you can never leave!”

        • Frank Acland

          You all pass!

          • Frank Acland

            This is an exercise in persistence 🙂

          • Mats002

            Another year then… :/

        • sam

          I hope I don’t have to pass
          Axil course to receive my
          Diploma.
          AxilAugust 25, 2016 at 12:05 PM
          sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160822152626.htm

          For more detail see as follows:

          arxiv.org/pdf/1604.08297v1.pdf

          Abstract

          Nonperturbative coupling of light with condensed matter in an optical cavity is expected to reveal a host of coherent many-body phenomena and states [1–7]. In addition, strong coherent light-matter interaction in a solid-state environment is of great interest to emerging quantum-based technologies [8, 9]. However, creating a system that combines a long electronic coherence time, a large dipole moment, and a high cavity quality (Q) factor has been a challenging goal [10–13]. Here, we report collective ultrastrong light-matter coupling in an ultrahigh-mobility two-dimensional electron gas in a high-Q terahertz photonic-crystal cavity in a quantizing magnetic field, demonstrating a cooperativity of ∼360. The splitting of cyclotron resonance (CR) into the lower and upper polariton branches exhibited a √ ne-dependence on the electron density (ne), a hallmark of collective vacuum Rabi splitting. Furthermore, a small but definite blue shift was observed for the polariton frequencies due to the normally negligible A 2 term in the light-matter interaction Hamiltonian. Finally, the high-Q cavity suppressed the superradiant decay of coherent CR, which resulted in an unprecedentedly narrow intrinsic CR linewidth of 5.6 GHz at 2 K. These results open up a variety of new possibilities to combine the traditional disciplines of many-body condensed matter physics and cavity-based quantum optics.

          The key to LENR is strong coupling between the hydrogen atom and light. When the cavity that holds the hydrogen is the optimum size, vacuum energy provides most of the energy to delocalized electrons from protons to form metalized hydrogen. The optimum cavity size does the same job as extreme pressure to form metalized hydrogen.

          If hydrogen is packed into a Nano cavity of the ideal size a strong coupling state might be achieved between the protons in the hydrogen and the light. In this way a state of superconductive coherence of protons might be formed: a proton condinsate.

          This state of superconductivity has been detected by Holmlid and Miley in iron oxide. The high temperature proton BEC might produce a super-dense state of hydrogen as measured by Holmlid where the electrons and protons are delocalized from each other, this state of charge delocalization has been seen in water inclusions inside a crystal.

          physics.aps.org/articles/v9/43
          Water Molecule Spreads Out When Caged

          What actually compresses the protons into a condinsate is vacuum energy because the cavity squeezes the light/matter condensate greatly.

          As described in the referenced article by looking for a hydrogen BEC in cavities, a LENR researcher could find the ideal dimensions of the Nano cavity that produces the condensed hydrogen and engineer a material that produces this ultra-dense hydrogen crystal in abundance.

          Currently in LENR reactors, pure chance produces metalized hydrogen in a highly porous metal that feature a wide range of cavity sizes which include the optimum cavity size that is made widely available by random chance.

          What really compresses hydrogen to the LENR active ultra-dense metalized state is not high pressure, but the ideal combination of cavity shape/size, light frequency, EMF environment and vacuum energy.

          • Mats002

            Well, the underlying reason to the LENR effect is very high electron density which evolve near a cathode. This is the common for wet PdD systems (FP) and NiH (Piantelli) and me356 and others plasma fusion reactors and Q-pulse as in Brillouin.

            At this underlying level of understanding of the phenomena we leave engineers like E48 because it is redundant information to make a working, safe reactor.

            Axil is chasning the level under the electron density causation so we now find ourself in pure wave-land.

            In the pure wave-land quantum mechanics rules, and here a nucleus is a living ball of yarn, having standing waves, twisting and turning, but because everything is waves of different frequencies they adds and take each other out.

            This is the world of zero point energy which is not a void, but instead holds an enourmous pressure.

            LENR free up this ZPE by wave interference.

            Can I go now?

          • sam

            Class Dismissed.

          • Chapman

            Axil is chasing purple unicorns.

            His class at ECW University is equivalent to the “Gender Studies” at other institutions. Pure nonsense that just draws in the misfits – and next thing you know the campus is overrun and everyone is being “triggered” and screaming for recognition of their personal philosophy.

            Never trust a lecturer who shows up with his underwear on his head…

          • sam

            Hi Mats 002
            Does this Theory make any sense to you.
            Jelle Boersma

            Nov 9, 2008 at 4:23 am

            Perhaps the following theoretical idea related to how cold fusion may occur

            is highly naive, but since I could not find any documentation discussing this the

            only way to find out is to bring it up, Thanks for any feedback.

            Could it be that cold-fusion is facilitated by quantum-entanglement of two

            deuterium nuclei with the external degrees of freedom (eg the phonons

            in the metal-lattice in which the D-nuclei are dissolved).

            The idea is that if two D-nuclei are entangled with independent exterior degrees

            of freedom then the density matrix describing the subsystem of two D-nuclei

            will be diagonal and the interaction hamiltonian vanishes even when the two

            nuclei have overlapping wave-functions in space and time .

            In other words, the electrostatic repulsion between two D-nuclei could be temporarily neutralized, along with the weak and the strong interactions.

            For two decohered nuclei at the same location it would take recoherence (through alignment of the exterior degrees of freedom with which the two nuclei are entangled) to restore the interactions. If the two nuclei recohere with sufficient overlap so that the strong attraction exceeds the electrostatic repulsion then fusion may occur.
            Thanks
            Sam

    • psi2u2

      Very nice summary. And we haven’t even gotten to the October surprise yet.

  • Engineer48

    Very interesting conversation with Bob and Hank on Skype about fuel. Very interesting.

    Seems separating the LiAlH4 from the Ni to stop the melted LiAl from coating the NI after the release of the H4 is a very good thing to do.

    Likewise pre hydrogenation of the Ni BEFORE introducing the Li is also a very good idea.

    Evolving is the recipe that Ni reactor fuel cooks need to follow to bake a delicious cake.

    Any comments about possibly using NiAlSi as the Ni material would be welcomed. Why NiAlSi? Because it has an amazing surface area of 175m^2/g. That is a LOT of Ni surface area to hold H2 dissociated H+ or H- ions via adsorption to the Ni surface.

    Engineers and Chemists rule!

    • gameover

      I read that molecular sieves (zeolites), which are made of silica-alumina, have an extremely large surface area too. They can be made into catalysts by metal impregnation and some industrial processes actually use them.

      Anyway I would stick with what is already tried and tested without doing premature optimization. Metallic catalysts with a lower surface area may be sufficient with the proper conditions and triggering.

      • wpj

        Yes, Ni/molecular sieves is used but the problem there is short lifetime as the Ni tends to “migrate” and form clusters which kills the processes.

    • wpj

      The Ni/SiO2/Al2O3 is prepared by hydrogenation of the NiO2/SiO2/Al2O3 so you could potentially purchase the precursor and hydrogenate. RaNi does go off fairly rapidly ( months) as it is in water and gets oxidised. Always best to make fresh if possible. May be the same with the supported stuff (I had some for years just in case, and it never worked when I came to use it).

      • Engineer48

        Hi Wpj,

        Well the BET area of NiAlSi is massive, 175m^2/g of adsorption area for the dissociated H2s H+ & H-, to populate.

        The BET method is worthy of a read:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BET_theory

        • wpj

          During the formation of RaNi there is 0.5 to 1 mole of hydrogen occluded. Clearly, complete saturation will require a further pre-treatment before use in a reactor. I don’t know what the situation is regarding the silica/alumina supported material which is prepared by hydrogenation; fully saturated?

          • Engineer48

            Hi Wpj,

            Thanks.

            Further researching Ni/Al/Si hydrogenation.
            .

      • gameover

        Does not the specific surface area of the catalyst also depend strongly on how the support is made? Mesoporous SiO2/Al2O3 supports for example can be in the order of 500-1000 m2/g BET surface area. Here is a random example:

        “The Preparation of High-Surface-Area Pt/SiO2 Catalysts with Well-Defined Pore-Size Distributions”
        http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021951785710834

        “…… BET surface areas in the 500-800 m2/g and metal dispersions of 50-85% can be achieved.”

        • wpj

          Just quoting the spec sheets of commercial material; I doubt that AR would be making his own.

    • Thomas Kaminski

      I have seen very fine wires of drawn Ni made in a process by people investigating the magnetic properties of such nanowires. Though they do not have the same surface area as other materials, they behave differently as though they are single magnetic domains (my calculations, about 3 m^2 per gram for a 2 micron diameter wire). People have also made very thin films of Ni that also behave in interesting manners when subjected to magnetic fields.

      Is the structure of nickel also important? Perhaps these single magnetic domains might have some interesting properties when loaded with hydrogen.

      If you are interested, I have a contact in this area who does draw the fine nickel wires. He also has a process that coats them with glass as an insulator for magnetic field detectors that use the GMR effect (I think).

      There is an electroless plating process used that can make very thin layers of nickel, though the nickel is usually alloyed with phosphorous. I wonder if a suspension of silica gel or other porous materials (zeolite molecular sieves) with large internal surface area would be plated with a fine layer of nickel?

      • Engineer48

        Hi Thomas,

        Well before the temp gets to the operational range, the Ni has passed the curie point.
        .

        • gameover

          Engineer48,

          I gently suggest that you consider the possibility that lower operating temperatures may as a matter of fact work as well. In a correct setup it may not be necessary to actually “bake” the powder in the literal sense. Consider that early prototype Rossi low-temp E-Cats had a very large COP.

          I also reccommend that you read this patent made by a competitor (or collaborator?) of Rossi who lived in Ferrara and had access to his same university staff of the University of Bologna at the same time of Rossi when he was in Italy in the early 2010s. Maybe there has been a “cross-pollination” of ideas. There are many interesting details from which you can take inspiration for your black box idea. Rossi always omits the critical details, but this seems a rather complete patent:

          https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000032450137/PAMPH/WO2016026720.pdf

    • Rene

      Yes, this was discussed a while back that it seemed he shifted to preprocessing his fuel to eliminate the difficult startup side reactions in his earlier e-cats.

    • wpj

      I have found a paper which states that the Ni particle size on silica support is a constant average of 65 angstrom.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Wpj,

        Please share?
        .

        • wpj

          I have the full paper, but it is Pdf format. I have converted to jpeg and this is the most important page.

          • Engineer48

            engineer48 dot 99 at gmail dot com

        • wpj

          Also, they state that particle size is constant and is not dependent on loading.

    • Mats002

      …and business men (and women) distribute the fruits they create and politicians distribute the wealth produced…

  • I just wish people being convinced by the crap accusations of the MW plant being a fraud would follow this discussion. In detail. And understand.
    I suppose that they will understand one day, still being confused, but at a higher level.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats,

      Engineers and Chemists rule.

      You can’t fake electronics, hydraulics, mechanical engineering, plant engineering, process engineering and chemistry. It only works one way.
      .

    • Albert D. Kallal

      It certainly must be trying at times for you. You certainly stuck your neck out quite early in this saga – and at times it must be hard to keep your head up!

      The “best” witness and case for Rossi is the “sound” engineering that gone into the plant. Everything makes “sense”

      I don’t want to hi-jack this great thread. I simply find it hard to believe that the ERV was outright incompetent. I guess time will tell.

      All the engineering points to a plant that clearly does something and is designed to do something!

      Form has to follow function. Cleary the 1MW plant has a solid and well thought out design.

      This IH/Rossi mess has cast some doubt on many. Even for me it has raised questions about performance. That plant does something, and the design speaks out that it does.

      It is very hard to think that the ecat don’t do anything – it just not a reasonable position when one looks at the plant and the “long list” of design considerations built around a concept.

      The position of IH does not make sense to me unless they know something we don’t?

      Again my apologies for going off topic and bringing up the IH/Rossi mess.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Thanks for your consideration Albert. I’m not worried. Feels good to have the neck out 😉

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “A mass in movement resists change of direction. So does the world oppose a new idea. It takes time to make up the minds to its value and importance. Ignorance, prejudice and inertia of the old retard its early progress. It is discredited by insincere exponents and selfish exploiters. It is attacked and condemned by its enemies. Eventually, though, all barriers are thrown down, and it spreads like fire.”
      -Nikola Tesla

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        Two Nobel laureates (Schwinger, Josephson) thought (think) that LENR was (is) real. It’s the second stringers who doubt its reality.

      • True Alan.
        Same goes for Niccolò Machiavelli who back in 1532 wrote in his book ‘The Prince’ (quoted in my book):

        “There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order. This lukewarmness arises partly from fear of their adversaries, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had actual experience of it.”

      • Engineer48

        What amazes me is the classical proton energy needed to penetrate the Li nucleus is 1.2 MeV and yet the paper shows the researchers measuring alphas (the product of p+Li7 fusion) with 20 keV protons, so go figure.

        http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Ionic%20Debye%20screening%20in%20Li-p%20reaction.pdf

        Of course in the latest Piantelli patent issued 18 May 2016, he is obviously very aware of this and positions some Li very close to but not touching the Ni so the p+Li7 output products hit the Ni and cause it to produce more protons, which then fires more protons into the Li, which then fires more Li fusion products into the NI which then foires more protons into the Li ………. and the positive feedback dual fusion reaction amplification loop continues.

        What I see here is basically how a fission reaction works, from the positive feedback but this time using 2 fusion reactions that do not need radioactive fuels, produce neutrons or other undesirable outputs.

        This is VERY clever and very real engineering.

        Hello world, here is my latest dual fusion reactor that uses no radioactive fuel and generates no radioactive fuel nor dangerous emissions.

        I call it “Mr. Fusion”.

        • Rene

          There is an analogue with Li6 D fusion. That too is a positive feedback process but with neutrons. The irony is that a softer from of energy with no radiologicals comes from Li7, the stuff thrown away when the massive separation of Li6 was done to make all those H bombs.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rene,

            Yup.

            With experimental data backing p+Li7 fusion can occur with 20keV protons and the classical energy needed is 1.2MeV, well it seems there is another page to be added to the book of fusion physics.
            .

        • GiveADogABone

          I am seeing the gap between primary and secondary fuel as necessary for allowing Hydrogen in and Helium out. The Helium is stated to depress the reaction so the Helium must be vented.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            BIG 😉

          • georgehants

            Morning, as you guys continue to deeply analyze every scrap of information available and seem to feel you are getting somewhere, would anybody like to take a chance and forecast when it will all fall together and the first openly, repeatable, report confirming useful Cold Fusion will appear on these pages.

          • Alan DeAngelis

            He just has to work out a few bugs.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwlNPhn64TA

          • Rene

            We have a firm date – F9

          • GiveADogABone

            Seems simple enough to me.
            No reason to think that the pathways to Copper and Lithium are not numerically stable, until you mess about with the control system. Yesterday’s problem sorted 🙂

            1: Orbital Capture
            (H-)-2e -> p

            2: Nuclear Capture
            p+Ni -> Cu
            -1H + 58Ni-> 59Cu + 3.417 MeV{1a}
            -1H + 60Ni-> 61Cu + 4.796 MeV{1b}
            -1H + 61Ni-> 62Cu + 5.866 MeV{1c}
            -1H + 62Ni-> 63Cu + 6.122 MeV{1d}
            -1H + 64Ni-> 65Cu + 7.453 MeV{1e}

            3: Coulomb Repulsion
            p+Ni -> p+Ni 6.7Mev

            Repelled ‘p’s
            3.1 p+Ni -> Cu Nuclear Capture as in 2:
            3.2 p+Li7 -> 2He4 Lithium Fission

          • Wouldn’t this be Focardi’s and Rossi’s original paper from March 2010 (https://espace.cern.ch/test-vila/WP4/Documents/A%20new%20energy%20source%20from%20nuclear%20fusion%20Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf ) , merged with Piantelli’s theories?

          • wizkid

            Elements composing fuel are minimized for surface contact. Provision is made for H to transfer in gaseous form through the cell. Fuel cell updated per comments. Special attention was given to the comment made by E regarding “Interesting details in the Rossi patent update: linked below”

            https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000032278621/PDOC/WO2016018851.pdf

            These details show that Ni + LiAIH4 are used in one embodiment of the invention. Ni and LiAlH4 are used in the fuel of at least one working embodiment that works.

            See the NEW reactor design below:

          • GiveADogABone

            An obvious first question : Who has the prior art?
            This paper is dated March 22, 2010 and mentions a patent.
            The Piantelli patent: Date of filing:13.07.2012 When did Piantelli first file this IP?
            This needs to be sorted out.
            Goodness knows how a patent court would view the obvious coming clash?

            The second question is the physics. Is there any substantial difference in the Focardi/Rossi process and the Piantelli process?
            Both use Ni, H and Li, maybe arranged in different geometries. Piantelli separates the Li from the Ni where Rossi now seems to merge the Ni+Li in a single powder mixture.

        • GiveADogABone

          This is for a p-p interaction at T=10,000K. Recalculate for p+Li7 at T=1000K?
          http://burro.cwru.edu/Academics/Astr221/StarPhys/coulomb.html
          So particles with 3-10 keV of energy (which there are plenty of in the Sun’s core) can overcome the Coulomb barrier.

  • I just wish people being convinced by the crap accusations of the MW plant being a fraud would follow this discussion. In detail. And understand.
    I suppose that they will understand one day, still being confused, but at a higher level.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats,

      Engineers and Chemists rule.

      You can’t fake electronics, hydraulics, mechanical engineering, plant engineering, process engineering and chemistry. It only works one way.
      .

      • chemist

        In 1903 one of the Wright brothers made the world´s first flight with an aeroplane, and six years later Bleriot made the first flight across the English channel. In 2011 Rossi announced the eCat and offered the public to sign up for orders. Now five years later we are still waiting for the eCat and the LENR process remains controversial.

        • Mats002

          Only one year to go then.

          Technology developments accelerates but the psychology of people when it comes to disruptive leeps is still the same as 1903.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      It certainly must be trying at times for you. You certainly stuck your neck out quite early in this saga – and at times it must be hard to keep your head up!

      The “best” witness and case for Rossi is the “sound” engineering that gone into the plant. Everything makes “sense”

      I don’t want to hi-jack this great thread. I simply find it hard to believe that the ERV was outright incompetent. I guess time will tell.

      All the engineering points to a plant that clearly does something and is designed to do something!

      Form has to follow function. Cleary the 1MW plant has a solid and well thought out design.

      This IH/Rossi mess has cast some doubt on many. Even for me it has raised questions about performance. That plant does something, and the design speaks out that it does.

      It is very hard to think that the ecat don’t do anything – it just not a reasonable position when one looks at the plant and the “long list” of design considerations built around a concept.

      The position of IH does not make sense to me unless they know something we don’t?

      Again my apologies for going off topic and bringing up the IH/Rossi mess.

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Hhiram

        >> The position of IH does not make sense to me unless they know something we don’t?

        I think IH’s position is quite easy to make sense of, assuming that Rossi has product that works.

        1. IH may not think the IP they can acquire from Rossi is worth $10+89 million. After all, if Rossi is telling the truth, the QuarkX is going to make the original ECat obsolete.

        2. IH may not have access to $89 million for additional payment. They may have entered into an agreement for that based on assumptions/plans/hopes that they could raise those funds through partnerships with other investors (e.g. in China). If they failed to get enough interest, they may simply not have the money.

        In either scenario, their best option is to use the stigma against cold fusion and Rossi’s bad reputation as a way to escape from their contracted obligation to pay $89 million. Sure, it makes them look like idiots for investing $10 million in the first place, but so what?

        I don’t personally find either of those scenarios to be far-fetched. Maybe fraud by Rossi is still the most likely scenario, sure. But those other scenarios are plausible enough that I can continue to take Rossi seriously – especially now that the E48 and others have gained so much confidence in the quality of Rossi’s reactor designs.

        • Chapman

          So, here is a curious thought for you.

          IF IH balked because they do not have the funds, and Rossi wins the 89 million claim PLUS punitive damages for Fraud and Defamation (which could DOUBLE the claim), then IH faces bankruptcy.

          BUT Rossi has the right to take the liquidating ASSETS from the bankruptcy against his claim, based on market value, rather than have the court negotiate a liquidation to a third party and Rossi taking the monetary proceeds. Now, keep in mind that IH has bought many patents and IP rights of many other LENR research groups. No need to name names, but we all know who sold out to IH and shared in the theft of the Rossi IP. What this means is that Rossi can walk away from the suit with only a small lump of cash, but control of a vast portion of the total LENR IP and research out there.

          Rossi could wind up as another Westinghouse or Edison.

          Thanks IH!

      • Chapman

        You know, Mr. Lewan has not really stuck his neck out at all. He has maintained a clear neutrality in regards to the core legal issue, and is clearly not a Rossi sycophant. But he DOES call BS on obvious nonsense, and since so much nonsense has come from IH recently it makes it APPEAR that he has taken a side – while in reality he has simply taken the side of common sense.

        If you look back you will see he has often demonstrated great skill at being “supportive” of Rossi’s efforts, and LENR in general, without crossing over into “Team-Rossi” territory – but he has equally pointed out the strengths of IH’s few intelligent observations.

        I have a mind. I can make my own decisions about what I think is happening based on clear facts and unfiltered information, and so I welcome his friendly neutrality. I am not offended by his fairness to IH, but I also do not misconstrue his encouragement or respect for Rossi as a sign that he is “on our side”.

        In short – I think Mr. Lewans plays a pretty straight game. He understands, and respects, what being a Journalist is supposed to be about.

        • Thanks Chapman.
          As I wrote a couple of weeks ago here on ECW:

          I really appreciated the message in this recent piece in NY Times—that journalists’ most sacred duty is to be true to the facts, not “balanced” (in that case regarding the ongoing presidential campaign):

          “…journalism shouldn’t measure itself against any one campaign’s definition of fairness. It is journalism’s job to be true to the readers and viewers, and true to the facts, in a way that will stand up to history’s judgment. To do anything less would be untenable.”

          http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

          • William Doerr

            LOL

          • Chapman

            On a side note Mr. Lewan, are you open for contract work?

            The U.S. Commission on Presidential Debates is having problems finding a suitable Journalist that can serve to moderate the upcoming Presidential debates.

            There is no single partisan reporter in the American Press Pool that will be acceptable to both parties, as they are all openly affiliated with one party or the other.

            It appears that there really ARE no REAL Journalists left in America.

            So, do you have anything planned for September???

            Do you work on an hourly rate, or by assignment???

      • Thanks for your consideration Albert. I’m not worried. Feels good to have the neck out 😉

    • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

      1. You wrote: “I asked myself again if there was any pattern behind this, if Rossi consciously or unconsciously made sure it ended in discord and distrust.” (AII, p. 246).
      2. You quoted Rothwell as “apt”: “I think Rossi wants people to think he’s a fraud.” (p. 282).

      I suggest you read the evidence presented by Industrial Heat. You might look at Exhibit 12, an email from Rossi, in which he describes the Hydro Fusion demo, and compare that with your own experience, which you describe on pp. 243-249. If what Rossi told Darden was true, he caused all of those people, including you, to travel for nothing but his ruse to get out of an agreement. And if it was false, he was lying to them to assure them that there was no problem with the technology.

      Rossi filed a lawsuit claiming fraud, where the evidence he alleged for fraud was no evidence of fraud at all (the judge rejected the motion to dismiss around that based on assuming a false claim by Rossi was true, as a judge must do with a motion to dismiss, assume that all the claims are true.) Charged with fraud, Industrial Heat has layers of defense, the strongest being that the Doral plant was not a Guaranteed Performance Test as defined in the Agreement and the Second Amendment, and unless Darden made some mistake that we don’t know about — it wasn’t. Rossi has presented no actual evidence that it was (such as the required written agreement to the setting of the test date, or an equivalent clearly agreeing to a GPT, not merely allowing Penon to make some measurements). The second layer of defense is that Rossi did not deliver the technology. And the third layer of defense is to claim that fraud was involved, and some levels of fraud are reasonably apparent.

      So calling the fraud allegations “crap” is taking a side in a matter where it’s looking like you are not familiar with the evidence. You stopped maintaining the case files on your blog. They are all hosted in one place at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/files/Rossi_v_Darden/. To get those files, you will need a yahoo account and then subscribe that account to newvortex at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/newvortex/info. The files are also hosted elsewhere but in dribs and drabs. You will need to read, especially, the amended answer and then relevant exhibits.

      The discussion here, on ideas about LENR technology, has *nothing* to do with this!

      all the best.

      • Abd,

        1. I have looked at IH’s ‘evidence’. They have all been pulled to pieces here. Waiting for more. Most of it is BTW circumstantial, just hinting at probable fraud. Really weak.
        2. And as has been seen in the discussions here, everything hints at a real plant with true engineering reasons for every detail, which a fraudster would NEVER do.
        3. Add to that, that people who have insight in the MW report confirm that the only way to challenge it is by claiming fraud (funny IH won’t make it public!).
        4. Add to that my own experience through these years, and tests that I have assisted.
        5. Add to that testimonials that I cannot yet report on.

        6. The Rossi/Hydrofusion story is no problem from my horizon (btw proves NOTHING ELSE), knowing all people involved. But I agree that it tells something about Rossi’s character (see comment below). Not even sure that what he wrote was actually true, could also be a story made up to explain/cover the failure. How could Rossi possibly have known that the Swedish group would have brought true RMS instruments? Don’t think so. Maybe it was premeditated not to reach effective temperature.

        Honestly, I wouldn’t like to be in IH’s shoes.

        Won’t discuss this more. Have other things to do than worry about people who cannot follow investigations on real facts and move on.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      “A mass in movement resists change of direction. So does the world oppose a new idea. It takes time to make up the minds to its value and importance. Ignorance, prejudice and inertia of the old retard its early progress. It is discredited by insincere exponents and selfish exploiters. It is attacked and condemned by its enemies. Eventually, though, all barriers are thrown down, and it spreads like fire.”
      -Nikola Tesla

      • Alan DeAngelis

        PS
        Two Nobel laureates (Schwinger, Josephson) thought (think) that LENR was (is) real. It’s the second stringers who doubt its reality.

        • Abd Ul-Rahman Lomax

          While there are classic pseudoskeptics crying fraud, there are also long-time supporters of LENR claiming that there is evidence of fraud, and there is evidence.

          Evidence is not proof, but, then, what is the proof that the devices work? What Lewan pointed out was that, historically, it seemed that Rossi always arranged for there to be suspicion and doubt. So when that doubt spreads, this would be what he created. That’s the point here. The IH Answer, when Rossi claimed fraud, was not that Rossi never had real heat, only that they were never able to independently verify it, and the tests were manipulated by Rossi so as to make reality obscure. IH apparently has accepted LENR reality, based on much more than Rossi evidence, and is continuing to invest in research.

      • True Alan.
        Same goes for Niccolò Machiavelli who back in 1532 wrote in his book ‘The Prince’ (quoted in my book):

        “There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order. This lukewarmness arises partly from fear of their adversaries, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had actual experience of it.”

        • orsobubu

          Curiously, this sentence seems appropriated for revolutionary events (he obviously uses the word “reformer”, since he lived well before illuminism), but in reality his political philosophy finds its better application in counter-revolutionary events (we can call them also “political realism”). Defense of national interest is the classic example in Machiavelli, where the princeps (or the class) that holds the power can use all the means he has to crush the opposition, even if he behaves as a beast (the ends justify the means). So, in cases of revolutionary action, when the political superstructure must dialectically subvert the established order because the material structure (economy, science, industry, society) is deeply mutated, it is better to take Marx as theoretical reference, and Lenin for the pragmatic application.

          In fact, if you look at epistemology, the science branch studying specifically the revolutions, you’ll find that most prominent members come from marxist and leninist school, also known as dialectical materialism (Geymonat, one of Rossi’s teachers, and Feyerabend, even if in this case it’s better to look at anarchism, but leninism and anarchism are well connected).

          All of this have not to be seen as particularly strange, because revolution (marx) and counter-revolution (machiavelli) are two faces of the same medal: the medal, the scientific process of historic evolution, is dialectical materialism, where there are two movements in opposite direction, ie capitalists and proletariat, innovators and reactionaries, etc, fighting to win and wipe out the enemy; it is like cold and hot, they are at the opposite, but together inside the same scientific frame of thermodynamics. So, for Lenin too the ends justify the means, but in the opposite direction than Machiavelli’s, the direction of revolution against the direction of reaction and counter-revolution. Lenin (or marat, or napoleon, or hungary communists in ’56) and Stalin (or Hitler, or talleyrand, or kissinger) are at the opposite ends, but rightly both fighting for their respective classes (in different ways and historical contexts, I’m not saying Hitler equals to kissinger, ok?).

          Before dialectical materialism, this was an unresolved contradiction, because in idealism there were instead two opposite ideal entities (god and evil, etc) which contemporary existence couldn’t be logically justified; or, even worse, there was only one metaphisical and aeternal entitity (god, the state, the bourgeoisie power, etc). So, in case of need of a philosophical frame for revolution in science, economy, society, etc is way better go with engels, marx and lenin.

          Take into account that the stupid critique by karl popper to dialectical materialism was totally debunked by geymonat and feyerabend; dialectical materialism is not an idealistic faith, as popper intends stating that it cannot be falsified. even if history demonstrates that to date revolutions cannot be avoided (so seeming that dialectical materialism canot be falsified), there could easily be a huge asteroid crashing on earth and sending mankind back to the middle age. In the same way, if there isn’t an organization by revolutionaries, using Lenin’s strategies, there will surely be a counter-revolution by reactionaries using Machiavelli’s strategies.

  • Mats002

    At a deeper level the PF effect is caused by electron density at the tip of the cathode. Huge pressure in a tiny volume.

    In powder there are many places (NAEs) where high electron density at cathodes can occur. In wet system only one.

    It is a scale up thing.

  • Engineer48

    Now busy with reading as many of the Focardi, Piantelli & MFMP LENR papers as I can find. Thanks Bob & Hank for the Skype discussion

    Can tell you there are pure GOLD nuggets in those papers and Skype discussions, especially for someone who sees new dot points that others missed and how those new dot points relate to old dot points and other new dot points.

    Part of what it tells me is the Rossi patent fuel components will work but maybe not as a well mixed fuel power of the 3 ingredients Being Ni, Li & LiAlH4. But hey is that not the patent game? Never give all the recipe or recipe steps that should be obvious to someone skilled in the art, as if there are those skilled in the art of Rossi fuel mix recipe.

    The fog is clearing and I can see a very bright light at the end of my journey. Scotty, engage the “proton drive”. Now where did I put that Ni Mouse? Oh yes Scotty needs it at the moment.

    BTW as Rossi has said many times, the design of the fuel chamber is critical, which I now believe is 100% correct.
    .

  • Abd,

    1. I have looked at IH’s ‘evidence’. They have all been pulled to pieces here. Waiting for more. Most of it is BTW circumstantial, just hinting at probable fraud. Really weak.
    2. And as has been seen in the discussions here, everything hints at a real plant with true engineering reasons for every detail, which a fraudster would NEVER do.
    3. Add to that that people who have insight in the MW report confirm that that the only way to challenge it is by claiming fraud (funny IH won’t make it public!).
    4. Add to that my own experience through these years, and tests that I have assisted.
    5. Add to that testimonials that I cannot yet report on.

    6. The Rossi/Hydrofusion story is no problem from my horizon (btw proves NOTHING ELSE), knowing all people involved. But I agree that it tells something about Rossi’s character (see comment below). Not even sure that what he wrote was actually true, could also be a story made up to explain/cover the failure. How could Rossi possibly have known that the Swedish group would have brought true RMS instruments? Donate think so. Maybe it was premeditated not to reach effective temperature.

    Won’t discuss this more. Have other things to do than worry about people who cannot follow investigations on real facts and move on.

  • wpj

    Just quoting the spec sheets of commercial material; I doubt that AR would be making his own.

  • Engineer48

    Interesting data from me356:
    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3225-me356-Reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=34286#post34286

    Reactor B (utilizing plasma) is made mainly from quartz tube. So the plasma is visible and it is glowing very nicely. This is not a replication, but very different kind of reactor. This reactor was not loaded with any Lithium, only trace of Nickel and mainly Tungsten.

    After tuning ionization parameters I have found something interesting. Abnormal temperature spikes occurred from time to time. So I have tried to set optimal conditions. After a while of fine-tuning, temperature shooted so high that COP 2 was achieved. It was rather coincidence that I have proceeded in this way.. Because temperature increased so high (just in 1 second) I have immediately turned off the stimulation as I was afraid. I am sure that the COP would increase to at least 4. I have verified detectors, everything was in normal level. When turned off, temperature dropped immediately, but not completely and excess heat was still present (with logarithmic declination) for at least 10 minutes until returned to its original level (no excess heat).

    Before I have started with tuning, I have found that there was high energetic neutron burst. So my focus stayed on the detector all the time and fortunately I was unable to detect anything more.

    Excess heat was triggered at 350°C. Power level during the test was constant. Reactor glowed enormously (purple to white color). Plasma was in 3/4 of the fuel chamber, even where anode/cathode was not present which was quite interesting.

    I am controlling H1 production directly

    I am sure that the reaction will work with many other transition metals. By selecting correct materials you can get a different output products.

    My update: I have tested plasma based reactor for longer period of time.. Results are clear.
    Unfortunately the power that is under the lid is so strong I will probably not continue in this area.
    Reactor is emitting neutrons a few days after the test!

    Emissions (RF, electrons and UV) during the test were so strong that my control circuit was absolutely crazy even that it was 3 meters away – it is unusable.

    No, this is not true. Higher neutron flux can be achieved even with Parkhomov-like reactor and with pressures under 3 Bars. You do not need any acceleration e.g. by high voltage. On the other hand it is great indicator that the mouse process is working properly. The most problematic part is, when the excess heat is triggered.

    Interesting observation today – To start the secondary reaction (Cat), Lithium should be in contact with Nickel or in “a direct visibility”. If there is some material, that will block products of the Mouse process, it will not work or it can be significantly throttled.

    But from my experiments, it looks like it is not that easy. Lithium is also affecting the transition metal (Nickel) and at least from what I have saw, the heat is not coming just from lithium itself, but also from the nickel. Next interesting thing is how lithium is behaving in the reactor if it is in a bulk form (in some cases). When it is inside nickel (covered from each side) it does not react chemically with nickel nearly at all. At least if nickel is prepared well. It is looking as if it is levitating inside and after excess heat it looks like a dried-fruit. So only peripheral surface will stay there (probably contaminants). Even alumina tube is not touched by lithium at all which is very good. No traces of vaporized lithium are found (at least optically) which mean the reaction was complete and extremely fast.

    Yes, resistance of the fuel is dropping always in the latest experiments while Ni-H reaction is active. But exact reason for this is not known yet. I can increase/decrease the resistance on will (mostly in range of 10 – 40% of the original value).

    Regarding the question about IGBT: Yes, I still use IGBTs but also MOSFETs (depending on the operation). I also use triac boards. But this is not necessity. In LENR you can replace one thing with another relatively easily. This makes it very good because you are not limited with a certain materials and techniques.

    Hank Mills: To make it work, you will need Lithium in vicinity or in a direct contact with Nickel. If LiAlH4 is used only for supplying hydrogen, you can use whatever else, but the reaction will be just Ni-H. Yes, removing aluminium will make the reaction stronger.

    Hank Mills: there are usually at least two problems. One which nearly nobody is doing, but is done by a successful replicators (if done, chances of getting excess heat is probably 90% higher) and second that all unsuccessful replicators are unaware. Second one is not mentioned in any replication report and even not all successfull replicators might be aware of this. But you can still find at least a hint in one report.

    This mean, that everything you will need was already told in the reports. No one is replicating exactly. But doing so is really hard.

    Replicators are spending too much effort in the areas that can be done in a few seconds. But areas that are necessary are not done at all.

    I have also found new directions where to go. Observed phenomenons are so strange that I can’t understand, how something like this is possible. Well, I understand it now, but with logical thinking it is not easy. Similar as that you can park submarine in a matchbox.

    I can’t tell the details, although I would like to share my excitement.

    In some experiments, with a certain materials and in a certain conditions, one can establish a transfer channel. It can be considered as “a black hole”. This mean, that in just few milliseconds even 1L of hydrogen can just “disappear” and is irreversibly transformed to other kind of energy (including neutron radiation). We can completely exclude lithium or similar compounds that can create a hydrides.

    This behavior can be performed repeatedly, if correct conditions are set.

    Enormous COP can be achieved (100 and more).

    Regarding plasma there are more reasons why to use it. There are more utilizations. For example arcing can be used in very different way than a glow discharge. Both can boost the effect, but you can also replace it with other phenomenons. LENR can be stimulated in many ways.

    Charlie Tapp: Yes, one heating coil can indirectly work as stimulation too.

    • Engineer48

      So just maybe this circuit, or some alternative, with an appropriate heater coil acting as a sense coil, could deliver high speed feedback on the internal reactor strength to the high speed reactor control circuits?
      .

    • Interesting. My conclusion so far is that you need the insights that Rossi, and ‘replicators’ as Me356, have reached, combined with experience of electronic control systems which Engineer48 obviously has, and Fulvio Fabiani too. My impression is that Fabiani made important contributions to Rossi’s work regarding system control.

      • More by Me356 from LENR Forum:

        Sharing the basic information to allow wide replications might be the problem, because it is based on what can cause big troubles. When you are successfull you must definitively face with this issue. Better results you obtain (which is just matter of time), bigger troubles can occur. And as you know how it really works, it is easy to boost the effect.

        On the other hand, well tuned and tested reactor can be absolutely fine.

        – – – –

        While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.

        On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can’t happen?

        – – – –

        I am convinced that what I am doing will lead to 100% success – there will be working device that everybody can use.

        If there is potential to help the people, we can send this device completely for free, where it is really needed.

        But will this be possible, when such things will be banned, illegal or limited in any way? Probably no. All this work will be useless.

        It is nice we can replace current fuels, but there might be restrictions, fees, taxes, etc very soon. Than everything can change.

        For example even today, you need a special rights to transport Nickel in various forms over some countries. Else it is not legal too.

        What is legal today, can be completely illegal tommorow.

        If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can’t cause any risk, this can’t happen that easily.

        – – – –

        I am convinced that I understand source of radiation and reason why there are neutrons and also exactly how to control this.

        It is really beutifull phenomenon, that reflects how far mankind is.

        Sadly, we were able to do this for more than 100 years.

        On the other hand, I have to admit that absolutely no energy source is completely safe. It is simply impossible to avoid any hazard if energy is produced and consumed.

        I also believe that knowledge of LENR process will be available very, very soon to all.
        – – – –

  • Engineer48

    Interesting data from me356:
    https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/3225-me356-Reactor-parameters-part-2/?postID=34286#post34286

    Reactor B (utilizing plasma) is made mainly from quartz tube. So the plasma is visible and it is glowing very nicely. This is not a replication, but very different kind of reactor. This reactor was not loaded with any Lithium, only trace of Nickel and mainly Tungsten.

    After tuning ionization parameters I have found something interesting. Abnormal temperature spikes occurred from time to time. So I have tried to set optimal conditions. After a while of fine-tuning, temperature shooted so high that COP 2 was achieved. It was rather coincidence that I have proceeded in this way.. Because temperature increased so high (just in 1 second) I have immediately turned off the stimulation as I was afraid. I am sure that the COP would increase to at least 4. I have verified detectors, everything was in normal level. When turned off, temperature dropped immediately, but not completely and excess heat was still present (with logarithmic declination) for at least 10 minutes until returned to its original level (no excess heat).

    Before I have started with tuning, I have found that there was high energetic neutron burst. So my focus stayed on the detector all the time and fortunately I was unable to detect anything more.

    Excess heat was triggered at 350°C. Power level during the test was constant. Reactor glowed enormously (purple to white color). Plasma was in 3/4 of the fuel chamber, even where anode/cathode was not present which was quite interesting.

    I am controlling H1 production directly

    I am sure that the reaction will work with many other transition metals. By selecting correct materials you can get a different output products.

    My update: I have tested plasma based reactor for longer period of time.. Results are clear.
    Unfortunately the power that is under the lid is so strong I will probably not continue in this area.
    Reactor is emitting neutrons a few days after the test!

    Emissions (RF, electrons and UV) during the test were so strong that my control circuit was absolutely crazy even that it was 3 meters away – it is unusable.

    No, this is not true. Higher neutron flux can be achieved even with Parkhomov-like reactor and with pressures under 3 Bars. You do not need any acceleration e.g. by high voltage. On the other hand it is great indicator that the mouse process is working properly. The most problematic part is, when the excess heat is triggered.

    Interesting observation today – To start the secondary reaction (Cat), Lithium should be in contact with Nickel or in “a direct visibility”. If there is some material, that will block products of the Mouse process, it will not work or it can be significantly throttled.

    But from my experiments, it looks like it is not that easy. Lithium is also affecting the transition metal (Nickel) and at least from what I have saw, the heat is not coming just from lithium itself, but also from the nickel. Next interesting thing is how lithium is behaving in the reactor if it is in a bulk form (in some cases). When it is inside nickel (covered from each side) it does not react chemically with nickel nearly at all. At least if nickel is prepared well. It is looking as if it is levitating inside and after excess heat it looks like a dried-fruit. So only peripheral surface will stay there (probably contaminants). Even alumina tube is not touched by lithium at all which is very good. No traces of vaporized lithium are found (at least optically) which mean the reaction was complete and extremely fast.

    Yes, resistance of the fuel is dropping always in the latest experiments while Ni-H reaction is active. But exact reason for this is not known yet. I can increase/decrease the resistance on will (mostly in range of 10 – 40% of the original value).

    Regarding the question about IGBT: Yes, I still use IGBTs but also MOSFETs (depending on the operation). I also use triac boards. But this is not necessity. In LENR you can replace one thing with another relatively easily. This makes it very good because you are not limited with a certain materials and techniques.

    Hank Mills: To make it work, you will need Lithium in vicinity or in a direct contact with Nickel. If LiAlH4 is used only for supplying hydrogen, you can use whatever else, but the reaction will be just Ni-H. Yes, removing aluminium will make the reaction stronger.

    Hank Mills: there are usually at least two problems. One which nearly nobody is doing, but is done by a successful replicators (if done, chances of getting excess heat is probably 90% higher) and second that all unsuccessful replicators are unaware. Second one is not mentioned in any replication report and even not all successfull replicators might be aware of this. But you can still find at least a hint in one report.

    This mean, that everything you will need was already told in the reports. No one is replicating exactly. But doing so is really hard.

    Replicators are spending too much effort in the areas that can be done in a few seconds. But areas that are necessary are not done at all.

    I have also found new directions where to go. Observed phenomenons are so strange that I can’t understand, how something like this is possible. Well, I understand it now, but with logical thinking it is not easy. Similar as that you can park submarine in a matchbox.

    I can’t tell the details, although I would like to share my excitement.

    In some experiments, with a certain materials and in a certain conditions, one can establish a transfer channel. It can be considered as “a black hole”. This mean, that in just few milliseconds even 1L of hydrogen can just “disappear” and is irreversibly transformed to other kind of energy (including neutron radiation). We can completely exclude lithium or similar compounds that can create a hydrides.

    This behavior can be performed repeatedly, if correct conditions are set.

    Enormous COP can be achieved (100 and more).

    Regarding plasma there are more reasons why to use it. There are more utilizations. For example arcing can be used in very different way than a glow discharge. Both can boost the effect, but you can also replace it with other phenomenons. LENR can be stimulated in many ways.

    Charlie Tapp: Yes, one heating coil can indirectly work as stimulation too.

    Note my bolded text.

    If me356 used a 3mm wall thickness SS tube over the reactor, I suggest the massive Em field emissions woulds be very significantly reduced, be thermalised and the long wave Ir folded back to feed the reactor’s input heat needs. IE COP would climb.

    This stated effect could also have generated a strong EMF induction in any heater coil, that is depending on if it was used, how it was designed and positioned.
    .

    • Engineer48

      So just maybe this circuit, or some alternative, with an appropriate heater coil acting as a sense coil, could deliver high speed feedback on the internal reactor strength to the high speed reactor control circuits?
      .

      • gameover

        It makes sense. The thing is that most people expected excess heat and not electron emission (or other EM emission), especially without ionizing radiation.

        Then it is also possible that electrical noise problems for example attributed to the electrical grounding or equipment malfunctions are actually because of this emission, so LENR may pass undetected in some cases.

    • Interesting. My conclusion so far is that you need the insights that Rossi, and ‘replicators’ as Me356, have reached, combined with experience of electronic control systems which Engineer48 obviously has, and Fulvio Fabiani too. My impression is that Fabiani made important contributions to Rossi’s work regarding system control.

      • More by Me356 from LENR Forum:

        Sharing the basic information to allow wide replications might be the problem, because it is based on what can cause big troubles. When you are successfull you must definitively face with this issue. Better results you obtain (which is just matter of time), bigger troubles can occur. And as you know how it really works, it is easy to boost the effect.

        On the other hand, well tuned and tested reactor can be absolutely fine.

        – – – –

        While there is not a really working recipe, mass replications will not start. Public will be still unaware of it and from nothing there can be a LENR device you can buy freely.

        On the other hand, with mass replications there can be already many accidents before we can buy anything certified. Government and other regulation institutions can be aware of possible issues. Thus there may be new limitations defined by law and doing such things might be even illegal overnight. This is not good start. Are you sure this can’t happen?

        – – – –

        I am convinced that what I am doing will lead to 100% success – there will be working device that everybody can use.

        If there is potential to help the people, we can send this device completely for free, where it is really needed.

        But will this be possible, when such things will be banned, illegal or limited in any way? Probably no. All this work will be useless.

        It is nice we can replace current fuels, but there might be restrictions, fees, taxes, etc very soon. Than everything can change.

        For example even today, you need a special rights to transport Nickel in various forms over some countries. Else it is not legal too.

        What is legal today, can be completely illegal tommorow.

        If we will proceed according to all safety precautions, such devices will be tested where it can’t cause any risk, this can’t happen that easily.

        – – – –

        I am convinced that I understand source of radiation and reason why there are neutrons and also exactly how to control this.

        It is really beutifull phenomenon, that reflects how far mankind is.

        Sadly, we were able to do this for more than 100 years.

        On the other hand, I have to admit that absolutely no energy source is completely safe. It is simply impossible to avoid any hazard if energy is produced and consumed.

        I also believe that knowledge of LENR process will be available very, very soon to all.
        – – – –

  • wpj

    Yes, Ni/molecular sieves is used but the problem there is short lifetime as the Ni tends to “migrate” and form clusters which kills the processes.

  • Engineer48

    If you ever wondered why the Lithium is in the Rossi ECat fuel formula of:

    Ni
    Li
    LiAlH4

    the reason is attached.

    Piantelli in his patent claims to have measured protons leaving the hydrogenated, H loaded and active, Ni with up to 6.7 MeV. Note that only 0.3 MeV is the min proton energy needed to penetrate the Li7 nucleus and generate an aneutronic fusion reaction.

    With the min input energy of 0.3MeV and output energy release of 17.2MeV that is a reaction COP = 57.3.

    This is existing physics, assuming Piantelli in his patent is correct in reporting the detection of protons exiting the Ni with energies of up to 6.7MeV. The p + Li7 reaction generates no neutrons or other dangerous particles or by products and the generated alpha particles are turned into heat.
    .

    • Gerald

      Didn’t the Piantelli and Rossi patent claim more or less the same? MFMP probably knows, they learned a lot from Piantelli. For me as an laymen Rossi hit the gas pedal with the reaction, Piantelli wrote the instructions. But again, this is a simplified way for myself.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Gerald,

        Rossi never talked about how the reactor really worked but did give fuel details. So as I see it, Rossi added some operational details to the Piantelli patent but Rossi never addressed why the Li and LiAlH4 was there, while reading the Piantelli patent it was made clear what they did and why.
        .

  • Engineer48

    If you ever wondered why the Lithium is in the Rossi ECat fuel formula of:

    Ni
    Li
    LiAlH4

    the reason is attached.

    Piantelli in his patent claims to have measured protons leaving the hydrogenated, H loaded and active, Ni with up to 6.7 MeV. Note that only 0.3 MeV is the min proton energy needed to penetrate the Li7 nucleus and generate an aneutronic fusion reaction.

    With the min input energy of 0.3MeV and output energy release of 17.2MeV that is a reaction COP = 57.3.

    This is existing physics, assuming Piantelli in his patent is correct in reporting the detection of protons exiting the Ni with energies of up to 6.7MeV. The p + Li7 reaction generates no neutrons or other dangerous particles or by products and the generated alpha particles are turned into heat.

    More here:
    https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/03/07/finally-this-is-possibly-how-the-e-cat-works/
    .

    • Gerald

      Didn’t the Piantelli and Rossi patent claim more or less the same? MFMP probably knows, they learned a lot from Piantelli. For me as an laymen Rossi hit the gas pedal with the reaction, Piantelli wrote the instructions. But again, this is a simplified way for myself.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Gerald,

        Rossi never talked about how the reactor really worked but did give fuel details. So as I see it, Rossi added some operational details to the Piantelli patent but Rossi never addressed why the Li and LiAlH4 was there, while reading the Piantelli patent it was made clear what they did and why.
        .

  • Engineer48

    Here is how the energetic protons are generated in the Ni lattice (the COP 2 to 4 Mouse) that fire up the p + Li7 aneutronic fusion reaction (COP 57).

    Mouse COP = 4 x Cat COP = 57 = overall COP = 228. Understand now?

    Method for producing energy and apparatus therefor
    “Fusion by absorption in a matrix”
    https://patents.google.com/patent/EP2368252B1/en

    Add Piantelli’s detailed reaction description patent to Rossi’s fuel recipe patent with the Li and LiAlH4 added to the Ni, plus the p + Li7 aneutronic fusion reaction and you have it all.

    Aneutronic Fusion:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion

    Or as Mats wrote. Finally this is possibly how the ECat works:
    https://animpossibleinvention.com/2016/03/07/finally-this-is-possibly-how-the-e-cat-works/

    Well I suggest maybe a bit more than possibly!
    .

    • The Wikipedia post on Aneutronic Fusion is interesting. Should have read that before. Explains why Piantelli writes about lithium and boron in his patent.

      • Steve H

        Under “Methods for energy capture” – it also appears to explain the under-pinning theory for the production of light, heat and electricity, in AR’s Quark unit.

        • Right!

          • psi2u2

            Wow.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Yes – and that is the basis for my SISOSIG video

          https://youtu.be/zMs2We34jXo

          • Steve H

            Hidden in plain view!
            They keep doing things like that. I think they call them books.

      • Axil Axil

        Lithium is not required in LENR. Robert Godes (Brillouin Energy Technologies, Inc.) posted as follows:

        about 3 months ago

        “That is quite funny when my IP was filed in 2006 before Rossi was even involved in LENR. Rossi by his own admission has studied it extensively taking about 100 pages of notes. I looked at Rossi’s IP and it does not teach anything. By the way I don’t use Li in my reactor cores. Only occasionally is Li used for diagnostics.”

        • Chapman

          Li is not needed for LENR (mouse). – cop 100 or more

          • GiveADogABone

            Which explains why the Licence Agreement thought that CoP=6 would be hard to achieve. The advance to CoP=50 was a fuel change alone and that could have been introduced at any time, albeit with control issues.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Chapman,

            Yup.

            Pure and simple aneutronic p+Li7 fusion reaction.

            Would LOVE to watch the alphas boil off the Li into a nearby cloud chamber.

            Imagine the regulatory issues.

            Yes sir it is a confirmed very high dual COP FUSION reactor.

            Yes sir I did say a dual fusion reactor.

            What are the dual fusion reactions?

            Ni+H > p > p+Li7.

            No sir there are NO harmful neutrons or other nasties emitted. The alphas generate the heat.

            Sir please, STOP, you can’t, please don’t lock me up & throw away the key……………………………………..
            . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01836e1c8e4bea4a68b82821c168794788f2a900e44724aaab9f328e732ce16d.jpg

          • GiveADogABone

            There is a problem with Ni+H > p > p+Li7.
            I have Ni58 + p → Cu59→ Ni59 + ν + e+ and also e- + e+ → γ + γ
            The p in p+Li7 must be coming from somewhere else but there are plenty of ‘p’s around to do the Lithium fission; the energy level is therefore an open question.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            From Piantelli’s latest granted patent 18 May 2016:
            https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

            [0011] More in detail, during the process of orbital capture, H- ions can lose its own couple of electrons and form protons 1H+.

            A first fraction of the protons 1H+ is subjected to direct nuclear capture reactions by the nuclei of the same atoms of the clusters in which the orbital capture has occurred, while a second fraction of the protons 1H+ can be expelled by Coulomb repulsion from the nucleus of the metal atom where the orbital capture has taken place.

            The expelled protons have an energy that can be determined and characterised.

            For instance, in the case of Nickel, this energy is about 6.7 MeV, as detected by a Wilson chamber, on the basis of Bethe’s equation.

            A part of the protons of the second portion, which does not react with other nuclei of the primary material, can leave the latter and interact with a material adapted to give rise to proton-dependent reactions, if this is present.

          • GiveADogABone

            You beat me by about ten minutes! There are the expelled protons at 6.7Mev and the ones that enter the nucleus and become copper, so the p as is >p> is not the same one (of definitely in a fixed ratio?) for either side of the equation.

            We therefore have two separate equations.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            You need to read para 22 onward as Piantelli is using the alphas and other particles from the p+Li7 reaction to feedback back into the Ni+H reaction to enhance it.

            SHITE!

            [0022] In an exemplary embodiment, a step is provided of prearranging an amount of a secondary material facing the primary material

            and within a predetermined maximum distance from the primary material,

            the secondary material selected to engage with protons of energy higher than a predetermined energy threshold, which come from the primary material,

            by nuclear proton-dependent reactions that occur with a release of radiations,

            in particular of α, β, γ, X radiations, and/or of particles,

            wherein said protons are emitted by said primary material,

            wherein said step of supplying an energy vector (69) is carried out by said radiations and/or said particles released by said proton-dependent reactions,

            the radiations and/or the particles reaching the hydrogen proximate to the primary material, which provides am excitation step.

            .

          • GiveADogABone

            Feedback can be fun as any control engineer knows. Positive or negative as Rossi would say.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            You need to read para 22 onward as Piantelli is using the alphas and other particles from the p+Li7 reaction to feedback back into the Ni+H reaction to enhance it.

            SHITE!

            [0022] In an exemplary embodiment, a step is provided of prearranging an amount of a secondary material facing the primary material

            and within a predetermined maximum distance from the primary material,

            the secondary material selected to engage with protons of energy higher than a predetermined energy threshold, which come from the primary material,

            by nuclear proton-dependent reactions that occur with a release of radiations,

            in particular of α, β, γ, X radiations, and/or of particles,

            wherein said protons are emitted by said primary material,

            wherein said step of supplying an energy vector (69) is carried out by said radiations and/or said particles released by said proton-dependent reactions,

            the radiations and/or the particles reaching the hydrogen proximate to the primary material, which provides an excitation step.

            DOUBLE SHITE!!
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/37755/h2-molecule-dissociation-with-respect-to-temperature
            H2 dissociation is only 0.081% at around 2000K and 95.5% at around 5000K, why?
            I have read somewhere that H2 must disassociate to enter the Nickel lattice but then recombines to form H2.
            H2 with electrons is neutral.
            Fire that at a Nickel nucleus and what happens?
            Maybe one of the ‘H’s goes inwards and one is expelled?
            That would be kind of handy.
            No evidence of course.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            H2 dissociates on contact with transitional metals and the 2 x Hs are adsorbed on the surface. I understand there are geometry constraints regarding flats, peaks, pits, cracks, etc.

            Piantelli’s latest patent is good at explaining:
            https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

            why the 2 variances H+ and H- are needed.
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            I think you are still on the surface but inside there is a great deal of research about Hydrogen embrittlement. I am confident I got that quote from there. I also remember quotes about extremely high pressure in lattice defects and again I think that was molecular Hydrogen. I will try to find something.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement
            These individual hydrogen atoms within the metal gradually recombine to form hydrogen molecules, creating pressure from within the metal. This pressure can increase to levels where the metal has reduced ductility, toughness, and tensile strength, up to the point where it cracks open (hydrogen-induced cracking, or HIC)

            https://dspace.lib.cranfield.ac.uk/bitstream/1826/103/5/CHAPTER%201%20(11-81).pdf
            The internal pressure theory, suggested by Zapffe and Sims [29], assumes that hydrogen pressure in voids itself is the cause of HE. Embrittlement is attributed to hydrogen concentration in voids, which grow, as atomic hydrogen diffusing through the metal can combine to form molecular hydrogen,

            http://electronicstructure.wikidot.com/hydrogen-embrittlement-of-metals
            Hydrogen-induced cracking occurs when two H atoms form an H2 molecule inside the metal matrix. When this happens in abundance, it results in a local increase in pressure.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            Try this:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride

            Surface:
            Hydrogen atoms bond strongly with a nickel surface, with hydrogen molecules disassociating in order to do so.

            Disassociation of hydrogen requires enough energy to cross a barrier.
            On a Ni(111) crystal surface the barrier is 46 kJ/mol,
            On a Ni(100) crystal surface the barrier is 52 kJ/mol.
            On a Ni(110) crystal surface the barrier is 36 kJ/mol.

            The surface layer of hydrogen on nickel can be released by heating. Ni(111) lost hydrogen between 320 and 380 K.
            Ni(100) lost hydrogen between 220 and 360 K.
            Ni(110) lost hydrogen between 230 and 430 K.

            In order to dissolve inside the nickel, hydrogen must migrate from on the surface through the face of a nickel crystal. This does not take place in a vacuum, but can take place when the hydrogen coated nickel surface is impacted by other molecules. The molecules do not have to be hydrogen, but they appear to work like hammers punching the hydrogen atoms through the nickel surface to the subsurface. An activation energy of 100 kJ/mol is required to penetrate the surface.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Axil,

          Correct.

          Li is not needed. Many pure NiH reactors prove that.

          However adding Li allows the energetic protons created by the NiH reaction to trigger ANOTHER high thermal gain fusion reaction, being p+Li7.
          .

          • Axil Axil

            How does the p+Li7 reaction get to Li6?

          • Chapman

            OK Axil, now you are just being intentionally obtuse.

            You already know there is not a path from Li7 to Li6. You are ignoring the fact that there was no relative percentage to total mass given in that report, and you obstinately insist that Li6 actually increased in population rather than just in proportion to the Li7.

            Bringing this up again does not reflect well for you. I was beginning to give you a little credit for your recent contributions to the discussion on the potential plant process, but here you go with another round of foolishness.

            Come on, dude. Do you HAVE to act this way?

            As you can see from the current discussion, the LENR process is exactly as I have been arguing with you about for months. Why can’t you accept what everybody else is now realizing? It is just protons – doing what protons do. You have to let go of all those theories about BEC’s, Micro Black holes, wormholes to other dimensions, spontaneous nucleon decay, instantaneous FTL energy teleportation. I mean the list goes on and on and on.

            Geeez… Just accept it. It is just protons.

          • Axil Axil

            The Lugano report shows that Li7 transmuted into Li6, there is nothing obtuse about that.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Axil,

            Just maybe the Li7 was transmutted into Helium and Alphas by energetic protons emitted by the precursor Ni+H reaction?

            So then the % ratio alters as Li6 stays constant and Li7 drops?
            .

      • David Albert

        Lawrenceville Plasma Physics (http://lppfusion.com/) use aneutronic methods and are gaining on there attempt at hot fusion in a small reactor.

    • Steve H

      Hi E48 – Great info.
      You really seem to be developing an epic understanding for this stuff.
      Long may it continue.

    • Alan DeAngelis
      • Alan DeAngelis

        It was the first totally artificial transmutation.
        http://disq.us/p/d2lx60

        • Chapman

          Amen Brother.

          Everyone wants fantastic new particles and mystical fifth forces, while the real answers have been with us from the start.

          Here you have a case where the transmutation experiment was set up simply to prove that they had succeeded in building a proton accelerator, and here we are 100 years later looking at the same results in a different experiment but wondering what could possibly be the cause! DUH!!!

        • Alan DeAngelis

          PS
          There could also be coupled chain reactions.

          H(1) + Li(7) > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV

          Al(27) + He(4) > Si(30) + H(1) 2.3722 MeV

          http://disq.us/p/vmubbm

          • Engineer48

            Hi Alan,

            Go team GO.

            MouseCat+ wins! We ALL win. Well maybe NOT IH.
            .

          • Alan DeAngelis

            PPS
            Even better with some Shostakovich.
            http://disq.us/p/wbbik8

      • Engineer48

        Hi Alan,

        That 15 Euro coin shows the safe & low temperature p+Li7 fusion reaction which will forever change the world.

        Of course powered by energetic protons leaving the Ni+H reaction.
        .

    • Chapman

      As I said back in MAY!

      ——————–

      From JONP

      Chapman
      May 4, 2016 at 7:16 PM
      Dear Mr. Rossi,

      Folks seem to be having a hard time visualizing what is actually happening in an E-Cat. Please allow me to put forth this visual model in order to clarify the “inner workings” and “deep mysteries” within.

      Consider a standard kitchen blender with a glass carafe, like you make margaritas in during warm summer afternoons.

      Like most blenders, the lid has a small plug which can be removed for adding ingredients during operation. Around the hole for the plug there is a small flat lip.

      Now, imagine this:

      1. Remove the plug, and balance a few steel ball bearings on the lip around the hole.

      2. Turn on the blender, just on low to start with, but SLOWLY increase the blender until it is up to “High”.

      Take a moment to look at it. The blades are whirling around at high RPM and the ball bearings are jiggling around from the vibration, teetering around the edge of the lip.

      3. Now, WHACK the blender with a rolling pin!

      What happens?

      The ball bearings fall from the lip and into the fast spinning blades below, and are sent smashing through the glass of the carafe, shattering it into pieces!

      In this visual aid, the blender blades are Nickel atoms, the ball bearings are Hydrogen Ions liberated from the Lithium-Aluminum-Hydride and the glass carafe is the web of Lithium Atoms mixed throughout.

      Heating the mixture to just short of the melting point of the nickel, and pumping up the electron shells about the nickel nuclei is represented by the power of the high speed blades.

      Whacking the blender with a rolling pin is identical to sending an Electromagnetic Pulse through the energized e-cat reactor vessel. Deformation of the electron shells causes the capture and eventual disassembly of hydrogen ions within the maelstrom of the electron shell energy fields resulting in the energetic expulsion of suddenly solitary protons.

      These ejected protons then collide with lithium atoms and transmutate Lithium 7 to Beryllium 8, which promptly decay to two Alpha – which consequently gain electrons to become Helium atoms.

      The process of the forced decay of Lithium to Helium – resulting in a large energy release – is well documented, and was the first nuclear fission process ever demonstrated. [see Cockcroft-Walton; 1932]

      The genius of the e-cat is in its application of the primary LENR process (proton liberation from an energized nickel-hydride) to effectively utilize individual Nickel atoms as sub-Nano scale proton accelerators.

      Indeed, this invention should be rightly considered a breakthrough in Nano-Tech Engineering, as the apparatus is, in fact, mechanical in nature rather than chemical or nuclear, just as a Scanning Electron Microscope is a MACHINE, not a “reaction”.

      Consider: This process does not involve molecular interactions and formations (other than the Hydride fuel supplement), so this exhibit can not be called “chemical” in nature. And, while we see Helium being produced while Hydrogen is consumed, this clearly is not “Fusion”, as it is a sequence going through Lithium and then DOWN to Helium. Now, in modern terms, the breakdown of Beryllium is a “decay” into Alpha particles as radiation, so this clearly does not qualify as fission under current models.

      So I repeat, the E-Cat is neither CHEMICAL, FISSION nor FUSION. It is a MACHINE! A beautiful, badass, Nano-Tech, Energy Liberating Machine!

      GOD BLESS YOU, Mr. Rossi. May he continue to bless your endeavours with success, while you continue to work to bring this to the masses!

      – Chapman –

      ——————————–

      I have repeatedly gone on and on about the fact that the reaction chain is aneutronic, and the only neutron troubles arise as the result of misguided individuals insisting on FOULING their experiments with deuterium, thinking they were chasing a classic “Hot-Fusion” model of fusing hydrogen into helium.

      Again, I say to all, this has been out there for years, and anyone can read up and understand what the process is and how it works.

      But I would point out one thing I think you need to look closer at. Piantelli writes about the proton energy at expulsion – after the disassociation of the hydrogen – as being around 6.7MEV. Unfortunately, that is derived from the coulomb barrier potential resulting from the total charged nucleons involved. But if you think it through you will realize that the hydrogen dissociates at the point where the external forces equal the attractive force of its own structure – a little over 1 MEV. The hydrogen ION cannot penetrate to the deepest reaches of the electron cloud because it is ripped apart only part way down.

      You still get protons with enough energy for the lowest probability lithium penetrations, but a reduced total count. So where does the additional energy come from to pump the protons up not only to the point of totally dominating the lithium, but even absorption by the nickel?

      That is where the Plasmons come in. As “superstructures” they affect colliding protons by dramatically increasing the proton energy, enabling direct nickel absorption. And the same mechanism also facilitates supercharging alpha particles from the lithium decay to the point where they also can penetrate the nickel.

      For all those people arguing about collision statistics based upon accelerator models, I would remind you that the protons in question are not fired from an external source, to be deflected and lost, but rather are internally released. The proper comparison would be photon migration from the center of the sun to the surface. 20,000 to 100,000 years.

      Read about “Drunkard’s walk” and you will understand that even the LOWEST PROBABILITY collision results become guaranteed certainties after no more than SECONDS of the internal pinball-like environment. And, speaking of pinball, consider that while a proton may bounce off a nickel atom like a pinball bounces off a passive bumper, when the pinball bounces off a plasmon it is like hitting an ACTIVE bumper that kicks the ball away harder than it approached.

      Anyway, this plasmon action explains why the reaction is heat-dependant. Plasmon energy levels are the product of the size of the plasmon, and the heat of the individual participating members.

      Pumping up protons to the point that they can only penetrate partway through the electron cloud of target atoms will result in radiation emissions as the proton disrupts the deep shells. As temperature increases and proton energy passes the absorption threshold these emissions will cease. What this means is that there are several discrete “emission windows” as the reactor is brought up to operational temperatures. These emissions can be mitigated, or even capitalized on, by careful material selection and a strict initiation protocol.

      Finally – any nickel will do. As long as it is powdered form and heat treated for embrittlement. I suggest heat under vacuum, then flush with hydrogen to quench. Repeat. This will achieve the molecular beta phase, the microfractures for porosity, elimination of contaminant gases, AND hydrogen saturation for pre-loading. Catalytic Nickel sponges are overkill. They are formed for molecular scale filtration, and we are talking about hydrogen atoms! They leak through on their own. You just want to fracture the grains by flash quenching so that under a microscope they look like dandelion puffs = maximum surface area.

      In the end, this ain’t rocket science. All it takes is a little reading and a few days of staring at a blank wall while you let your brain fit it all together. The physics are simple. It is the Engineering that is tricky! Materials have limitations that do not show up in equations!!!

      • cashmemorz

        A while back I was asking for a “LENR for Dummies”. Ok, so I am a dummy. What Chapman just did was answer my question about LENR process in a way that I can understand. It makes sense of all those other statements made by all of those other physicists that were using esoteric language. It all fits and fits nicely. Thank you Mr. Chapman. Also I should add, this is the kind of “putting it all together nicely” that Albert Einstein did that made him recognized in the new field of cosmology. He took all of the earlier work done by the likes of Lorentz, added a bit of his own insights and simply restated it all in a neat concise way to the point that his paper showed irrefutably to be comprehensive and accurate as to what had been stated by others at earlier times but in somewhat disjointed ways.

        Thank you again. I’m not sure if you qualify for a Noble prize but you’re close in a way that Einstein was in his ability to describe the process or mechanics of cosmology. Piantelli, Rossi and others have stated the process of LENR in also esoteric or disjointed ways. It’s just that you have put it in a nice and, may I say simple stupid enough way so that I and many others can easily understand the process of the machine.

        • Chapman

          That means a great deal to me, coming from you. I mean that seriously.

          I am humbled.

          I am very happy my ramblings helped in some way.

          • cashmemorz

            You have a separate topic on ECW based on that “rambling”. I for one will be quoting that if you don’t mind. I try to promote LENR at least Rossi’s E-Cat and the way you describe it may be used to enlighten those interested.

          • Chapman

            Consider it yours to use freely as you will in the furtherance of that effort. No citation or footnotes required, or expected. 🙂

  • Thanks Chapman.
    As I wrote a couple of weeks ago here on ECW:

    I really appreciated the message in this recent piece in NY Times—that journalists’ most sacred duty is to be true to the facts, not “balanced” (in that case regarding the ongoing presidential campaign):

    “…journalism shouldn’t measure itself against any one campaign’s definition of fairness. It is journalism’s job to be true to the readers and viewers, and true to the facts, in a way that will stand up to history’s judgment. To do anything less would be untenable.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/08/business/balance-fairness-and-a-proudly-provocative-presidential-candidate.html?_r=0

    • Chapman

      On a side note Mr. Lewan, are you open for contract work?

      The U.S. Commission on Presidential Debates is having problems finding a suitable Journalist that can serve to moderate the upcoming Presidential debates.

      There is no single partisan reporter in the American Press Pool that will be acceptable to both parties, as they are all openly affiliated with one party or the other.

      It appears that there really ARE no REAL Journalists left in America.

      So, do you have anything planned for September???

      Do you work on an hourly rate, or by assignment???

  • This seems to be accelerating now. No way stopping it.

    • Adam Lepczak

      Dear Mats and all:
      New independent replication here:
      Please contact them and possibly have MFMP look at this too:
      http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/GEC16/Session/MW6.27

    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats,

      Yup.

      Would seem both the Mouse & Cat are out of the bag. Pandora’s box is open. No going back now.
      .

      • Alan DeAngelis

        We’re on our way. No we can’t turn back.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_PlMgekN0

        • psi2u2

          Nice soundtrack.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          This will be one result as with the power & energy density Rossi’s DUAL fusion reaction can delivery, this will happen:

          https://youtu.be/YH3c1QZzRK4

          Yes we are away and back to being Wanderers who sail forbidden seas.
          .

      • Rene

        Well, yes. Perhaps the mouse and cat really referred to the two reactions, not two different reactors.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Rene,

          Yup.
          .

          • Alan DeAngelis

            Perhaps the lithium hydride, LiH that is trapped in a nickel cavity has some covalent bond character. Maybe the infrared stretching oscillations of that covalent bond might bring the nuclei close enough together to tunnel. Li~~H Li~H Li~~H Li~H http://disq.us/p/16j7thj

          • Alan DeAngelis

            OK, I put you all to sleep with the molecular spectroscopy video. I’ll have to pull out all the stops. This video will help you more fully appreciate oscillating systems in nature.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc

          • Jouni Tuomela

            Finding the effective frequency from the crowd could be the key??

          • Alan DeAngelis

            It needs some DoE funding.

    • GiveADogABone

      But you must stop the acceleration or it all goes BOOM!!
      Technically, that would be a prompt criticality like Chernobyl.
      It’s the copper half lives that save the day.

  • This seems to be accelerating now. No way stopping it.

    • Adam Lepczak

      Dear Mats and all:
      New independent replication here:
      Please contact them and possibly have MFMP look at this too:
      http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/GEC16/Session/MW6.27

      • Engineer48

        Hi Adam,

        Wow. That paper presented at a APS meeting?

        IH will not be happy.
        .

        • psi2u2

          Hahaha. What does the APS know that Mary Yugo et al. still can’t figure out.

        • Adam Lepczak

          The implication is that the Lugano test was done correctly. Also, the author of the replication paper at the APS: Mr. Shi Nguyen-Kuok is defenitely not just “an oriental random person” but a serious scientist.
          http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319437194#aboutAuthors

          So question their calorimetry with caution

          P.S. The paper will be presented in October in Germany – Bob from MFMP should attend me thinks…

          • Engineer48

            Hi Adam,

            Yup on all counts.

            The Mouse > Cat > Tiger pathway is out of the bag.

            It now all changes.
            .

          • Adam Lepczak

            Hi Engineer48, thank you for your work… I have found the paper translated into English on here:
            http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf
            i think this paper will be presented. Looks lie they were following Lugano to my untrained eye

          • Engineer48

            Hi Adam,

            Thanks for the paper.

            Looks like all the pieces of the dual Ni+H > p > p+Li7 fusion reactions have come together.

          • rusolf

            “Serious scientist”… be careful guys. Maybe I have different standards. No English homepage (neither for his person nor for his lab), no publications with significant numbers of citations (neither in English nor Russian). A shitty-looking publication at Unconventional Science. Come on, how desperate can you be? Even if the topic is controversal and most scientists reject LENR, I am sure I would be able to publish a short paper in English at a low-profile workshop by choosing the right wording.

            And about the “APS-paper”… This is not a paper. This a 10-line abstract for a poster session.

            Edit: auto-correct errors corrected.

          • GiveADogABone

            Shi Nguyen-Kuok – Professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Electrical Sciences, Head of Laboratory of Plasma Physics of National Research University “Moscow Power Engineering Institute”, Supervisor of Ltd “Technokeramika”.

            Do you mean this scientist? How much higher do you have to go to get serious?
            http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf
            That is four pages. Where do you get your facts?

          • rusolf

            “Professor, Doctor…”
            Maybe it’s because I am surrounded by professors and doctors that I don’t give a damn about their titles. Quality of scientific output is the only thing that counts. Shi Nguyen-Kuok is 50 years old. What is his (her?) track record?

            “That is four pages. Where do you get your facts?”
            This is the translation of the Russian paper. Maybe you don’t know how things work in academia? The poster at the 69th Annual Gaseous Electronics Conference has been accepted at the conference based on a 10-line abstract. I doubt that anybody at that conference comittee has seen that Russian paper, i.e., that paper has not been peer-reviewed or at least discussed with other experts/colleagues (quite obvious when you see how poorly written it is).

            It’s funny that the general opinion in this forum is against the “established science”, but when people here see somebody with a Doctor degree and a conference poster they get all excited.

            Edit: language

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rusolf, who wrote:

            “It’s funny that the general opinion in this forum is against the “established science”, but when people here see somebody with a Doctor degree and a conference poster they get all excited.”

            Actually most of those active here are good engineers and chemists who understand and value good analysis of how devices and processes can and can’t work.

            For me, I don’t get excited by a title. What gets me excited is when many experimenters describe a “Different looking dog but with a common leg action”.

            Engineers and chemists like shite like this that helps to define the operational characteristics of a device.

            The quoted paper was just another example that some apparently tried to diminish the value of.

            BTW is the aneutronic fusion reaction p+Li7 = 17.3MeV or that a 300keV proton can initiate against established science?
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            This is a serious scientist at a serious lab.

            Do not under estimate the fast way they make their experiments.

            The Moscow Power Institute has a fantastic array of lab facilities.

          • rusolf

            Hi Bob,
            You seem to know the MPI well. Can you give me a link to the homepage of the plasma lab of Shi Nguyen-Kuok? To what (sub-)institute and (Edit:) department does it belong?
            The homepage of MPI is really a mess. I don’t understand how their students can find anything.

          • rusolf

            @Bob:
            Sorry if I have wasted your time with my previous question. I have finally found the Plasma Lab (thanks to a news text on the MPI homepage). It’s part of the Department of General Physics and Nuclear Fusion (OFiYaS).

            I am wondering how they do research there. Dead web links everywhere. Website (phns.mpei.ru) is currently down but only in Russian anyway (according to Google cache). Only low-profile publications. Most people without any significant track record, even the directors. Strange place. No wonder Shi Nguyen-Kuok is so hard to find (Edit: in the archived version). His name is missing on the staff list of the plasma lab. Why doesn’t he have an institute mail address?

          • Bob Greenyer

            Russians like to get on with the research, they are not so good at self promotion – advertising only really reached Russia after 1992 and so more mature scientists just don’t consider it.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Rusolf,

            You are correct and it will take a long time until APS apologies for past crimes against LENR.
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            Unfortunately I will be presenting in Japan… depends on dates – I have a small window.

      • Veblin
    • Engineer48

      Hi Mats,

      Yup.

      Would seem both the Mouse & Cat are out of the bag. Pandora’s box is open. No going back now.
      .

      • Alan DeAngelis

        We’re on our way. No we can’t turn back.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2_PlMgekN0

        • psi2u2

          Nice soundtrack.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Alan,

          This will be one result as with the power & energy density Rossi’s DUAL fusion reaction can delivery, this will happen:

          https://youtu.be/YH3c1QZzRK4

          Yes we are away and back to being Wanderers who sail forbidden seas.
          .

      • Rene

        Well, yes. Perhaps the mouse and cat really referred to the two reactions, not two different reactors.

        • Engineer48

          Hi Rene,

          Yup.
          .

    • GiveADogABone

      But you must stop the acceleration or it all goes BOOM!!
      Technically, that would be a prompt criticality like Chernobyl.
      It’s the copper half lives that save the day.

      Now I get it. In a conventional fission reactor it is the neutron flux that rockets upwards in a prompt criticality. In an LENR reactor it is the proton flux.

      In a conventional fission reactor it is the delayed neutrons[1:] that enable control. In an LENR reactor it is the delayed protons that give control and the delay comes from the copper half lives. Once you know those delay times you can design a control system to stabilise the reactor.

      [1:] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prompt_criticality
      A small additional source of neutrons is the fission products. Some of the nuclei resulting from the fission are radioactive isotopes with short half-lives, and nuclear reactions among them release additional neutrons after a long delay of up to several minutes after the initial fission event.

  • Arnie

    Planet Rossi just reached critical mass…

    • Arnie

      … In a positive way, that is.
      The scene in Clarkes 2010 coming to mind, Jupiter ignition. Seemingly impossible, but suddenly no way to stop it.

    • Engineer48

      Hi Arnie,

      Powered by a dual aneutronic fusion reactor where the 1st Ni+H reaction feeds the resultant energetic protons into the 2nd p+Li7 reaction.
      .

      • GiveADogABone

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
        nuclide symbol Z(p) N(n) isotopic mass (u) half-life decaymode daughter isotope(s)
        58Ni 28 30 57.9353429(7) Observationally stable
        59Ni 28 31 58.9343467(7) 7.6(5)×104 y
        60Ni 28 32 59.9307864(7) Stable
        61Ni 28 33 60.9310560(7) Stable
        62Ni 28 34 61.9283451(6) Stable

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_copper
        58Cu 29 29 57.9445385(17) 3.204(7) s β+ 58Ni
        59Cu 29 30 58.9394980(8) 81.5(5) s β+ 59Ni
        60Cu 29 31 59.9373650(18) 23.7(4) min β+ 60Ni
        61Cu 29 32 60.9334578(11) 3.333(5) h β+ 61Ni
        62Cu 29 33 61.932584(4) 9.673(8) min β+ 62Ni
        63Cu 29 34 62.9295975(6) Stable

        The Nickel isotopes are stable but the copper are not until Cu63.
        Ni+H works its way up the Nickel-Copper-Nickel chain.
        It is the time delay inherent in the Copper half lives that makes the whole work in a stable and controllable fashion.

        Found a clear reference :
        http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=473
        How can 30% of nickel in Rossi’s reactor be transmuted into copper?
        In the present article I would like to answer a question posed by L. Kowalsky in a recent paper: how can 30% of nickel in Rossi’s reactor be transmuted into copper? “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler”, says a guy. I apologizes if I am too simplistic here.

        Introduction
        The interest on Andrea Rossi’s Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion technology is accelerating [1]. However, Rossi says that about 30% of nickel was turned into copper, after 6 months of uninterrupted operation. Kowalski [2]. says that “this seems to be impossible because the produced copper isotopes rapidly decay into Ni”. But how it works?

        How it works
        Following Focardi Rossi [3]. a Ni58 nucleus produces a Copper nucleus according to the reaction
        Ni58 + p → Cu59

        Copper nucleus Cu59 decays with positron (e+) and neutrino (ν) emission in Ni59 nucleus according to
        Cu59 → Ni59 + ν + e+

        Then (e+) annichilates with (e-) in two gamma-rays
        e- + e+ → γ + γ

        Starting [3] from Ni58 which is the more abundant isotope, we can obtain as described in the two above processes Copper formation and its successive decay in Nickel, producing Ni59, Ni60, Ni61 and Ni62. Because Cu63, which can be formed starting by Ni62, is stable and does not decay in Ni63, the chain stops at Ni62 (i.e. Cu63). Each process means some MeV.

        • I think Focardi’s hypotheses for the process went in this direction. Then at some point, the copper found in the ash was supposedly considered to be contamination, and this explanation was discarded, at least officially, by Rossi.

          • GiveADogABone

            Thanks for that Mats,
            The text below the copper and nickel isotope tables was written by :-
            by Dott. Giuliano Bettini
            Retired. Earlier: Selenia SpA, Rome and IDS SpA, Pisa
            Also Adjunct Professor at the University of Pisa
            Adjunct Professor at Naval Academy, Leghorn (Italian Navy)

            That Copper-Nickel chain explains so much that maybe Rossi tried to cover his tracks? You could stop the chain happening if you used NI62 in the fuel but then you lose the stabilizing effect of the Copper half-lives. Very hard to throw that hypothesis away. Also the article is from the JONP and dated April 2011.

            https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf
            Page 9
            [0090] In the case of Nickel, the internal primary nuclear reactions of direct capture, as calculated taking into account the conservation of the spin and of the parity, as well as the Gamow coefficient, can be written:
            -1H + 58Ni-> 59Cu + 3.417 MeV{1a}
            -1H + 60Ni-> 61Cu + 4.796 MeV{1b}
            -1H + 61Ni-> 62Cu + 5.866 MeV{1c}
            -1H + 62Ni-> 63Cu + 6.122 MeV{1d}
            -1H + 64Ni-> 65Cu + 7.453 MeV{1e}.

  • Engineer48

    Are we all enjoying the Gold Nuggets I found in Mats, Bob, Rossi, Focardi & Piantelli, etc’s work?

    • psi2u2

      Absolutely incredible to be able to follow, even as a neophyte, these remarkable developments and insights achieved through experiment, careful conjecture, and discussion.

    • sam

      I hope Frank gives a summary and
      opens a new thread to get a better
      understanding of what this is all about.

  • Engineer48

    Do IH understand the 4 x Tiger reactors Rossi used for the 1 year trial generated most of their COP from a classical p+Li7 fusion reaction?

    Do IH understand that, with the p+Li7 fusion reaction, a COP > 50 result IS EXPECTED to happed and so that result should NOT be a surprise?

    Do IH understand what they are throwing away?

    Sadly it would appear they do not.
    .

    • Axil Axil

      The Lugano report shows that Li7 transmuted into Li6, there is nothing obtuse about that.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Axil,

        Just maybe the Li7 was transmutted into Helium and Alphas by energetic protons emitted by the precursor Ni+H reaction?

        So then the % ratio alters as Li6 stays constant and Li7 drops?
        .

        • georgehants

          You guys all seem very cheery this morning, has the optimism risen that MFMP or any of you, can produce the first open, repeatable, Cold Fusion above COP1 in the World.
          Or has any of the links below given that information making them the first.

          • Engineer48

            Hi George,

            Have you read Piantelli’s patents / papers and the papers of Focardi?

            It is all there. Has been for years.
            .

          • georgehants

            Engineer48, thanks I have no interest in papers, patents, etc. until somebody produces a clear, open, repeatable, recipe that anybody skilled in the art can copy and show a COP above 1, without any interpretation, experimentation or whatever, then Cold Fusion is not exceptable as a proven science.
            Are you guys now in that position, to construct a device and report here on ECW your success on my above terms?
            Best

          • GiveADogABone

            http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf
            Does this meet your terms?

            It is reported on ECW a bit further down this thread.
            Approximately CoP 2.47 is stated.

          • Bob Greenyer

            It is one of the lesser preferred secondary materials in Piantelli patent

          • georgehants

            Give, please confirm that you (I think you do Cold Fusion work) MFMP, Engineer48 etc. can and will repeat the work you describe in your reply, then when you consistently achieve a COP above 1, the people you describe can claim to be the first in the World to have their work confirmed and should be recognised and rewarded for their World changing achievement.
            Claims such as Mr. Rossi’s are scientifically null until confirmed by open repetition.

          • GiveADogABone

            Which explains why the Licence Agreement thought that CoP=6 would be hard to achieve. The advance to CoP=50 was a fuel change alone and that could have been introduced at any time, albeit with control issues.

    • tlp

      But then there is that Piantelli patent. Rossi may have some problems with that.

  • Engineer48

    Do IH understand the 4 x Tiger reactors Rossi used for the 1 year trial generated most of their COP from a classical p+Li7 fusion reaction?

    Do IH understand that, with the p+Li7 fusion reaction, a COP > 50 result IS EXPECTED to happed and so that result should NOT be a surprise?

    Do IH understand what they are throwing away?

    Sadly it would appear they do not.
    .

    • Thor

      Has anybody tried a fuel mixture with boron (p+B11)? If the eCat really is catalyzing a classical fusion reaction, then you should theoretically be able to make it work with boron as well, right?

      Just a thought.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aneutronic_fusion

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is one of the lesser preferred secondary materials in Piantelli patent

    • tlp

      But then there is that Piantelli patent. Rossi may have some problems with that.

  • Engineer48
    • GiveADogABone

      First time I have seen Deuterium specifically mentioned as part of the fuel, I think?

      • Engineer48

        Hi GiveADogABone,

        I’m learning there are many recipes to bake that dual fusion reaction cake

        • Engineer48

          Piantelli’s latest granted patent (granted 18 May 2016):
          https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

          The 2nd page is Pure Gold as attached.
          .

          • gameover

            I would simply focus on paragraphs [0014] – [0016].

          • Engineer48

            Hi GameOver,

            Piantelli is using part of the energy release from the 2 fusion reactions to create a positive feedback system to drive the reaction rate of both the Ni+H and p+_Li7 reactions higher and higher.

            That is GOOD engineering.
            .

          • gameover

            But that is an “extra”. The core of the reaction is described in paragraphs 0014-0016. Piantelli is basically saying “to generate H- ionize the hydrogen atoms adsorbed on the clusters using a method of your choice”.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GameOver,

            Well I suggest it will increase reactor output power to very high levels as a part of the energy release from each fusion reaction is used to drive the other fusion reactor.

            As a systems engineer, that is how to do the business.

            Use some of the p+Li7 released particles to enhance the drive of the Ni+H system while will generate more protons, which will generate more feedback products to the Ni+H reaction.

            This will need a really good control system or it will go BANG and maybe in a not so nice way as we now have a dual fusion reaction with each system feeding back energy into the other.

            Not so nice to think about but wonder how fast that reaction could ramp up?
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            The half lives of the copper isotopes tell you that.
            Have you read my post?

          • Bob Greenyer

            This is correct, and even more so for directly coupled molten Li on Ni. In addition, the Li has very high heat capacity and so can effectively prevent overheating of the Nickel. The problem or perhaps benefit is that Nickel can be dissolved by Lithium. In Piantelli embodiment, the low pressure H2 may not be as effective at removing heat from the primary material.

            It is nice to see this re-iterated, when people have demanded to be told how it works, I have often said to go and read Piantelli’s patents.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Piantelli’s patents are very readable and tell a very graphic story, that to me is a man who knows how to talk the talk that does the walk. IE he knows what he talks.
            .

          • Engineer48

            The Gold Nuggets showing how thicker Li liquid enhances lower keV reaction efficiencies.
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            E48 – assuming this is that same paper I read a while back, making Lithium Molten gives 500eV of screening, that is the takeway.

            You may have missed the Unified Gravity Coorporation research that shows the proton only needs to be <225 eV to do the p+7Li reaction. Couple these two together and you have a much higher probability.

            One last point, in Piantelli's embodiment, he may actually deliberately set the H2 pressure and reactant plate distances to attenuate the protons to an energy suitably optimised to interact with the way the Lithium is supported/chemically held in the secondary plate.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – that research is what I meant the other day when I said there is another reason you want it liquid.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Russians like to get on with the research, they are not so good at self promotion – advertising only really reached Russia after 1992 and so more mature scientists just don’t consider it.

          • Rene

            Microseconds. Hopefully doppler scattering will slow it down.

          • Rene

            I too have similar concerns. What has been missing in the MFMP experiments is the total lack of feedback mechanisms in their reactor. Now granted the last experiments were performed to determine if the first step reaction, NiH, generates LENR. The apparatus, being completely dissipative, means the results would be small. The next step is getting the Li7 reaction set up in an experimental run to see how the results of that dual pump LENR effect will fare.
            I think knowing more about the patents and other prior knowledge, especially the fuel preparation processes will help ignite a strong LENR effect outside of just Rossi’s claims, which being secretive are easily challenged claims. Even COP 2-3 for 30 minutes would be outstanding.
            So the question, whether E48, et-al can do better than MFMP or Piantelli, is not quite the proper ask. Rather, a better ask is if any of them have found the recipe that achieves strong LENR as Rossi has said he can do. These recent discussions seem to be going that way.
            And again, although it is extremely important to develop decent control methods to deliver sustained linear strong LENR (I have been critical this need), getting to strong LENR replication is the critical first goal.

  • Engineer48
    • GiveADogABone

      First time I have seen Deuterium specifically mentioned as part of the fuel, I think?

      • Engineer48

        Hi GiveADogABone,

        I’m learning there are many recipes to bake that dual fusion reaction cake

  • georgehants

    You guys all seem very cheery this morning, has the optimism risen that MFMP or any of you, can produce the first open, repeatable, Cold Fusion above COP1 in the World.
    Or has any of the links below given that information making them the first.

    • Engineer48

      Hi George,

      Have you read Piantelli’s patents / papers and the papers of Focardi?

      It is all there. Has been for years.
      .

      • georgehants

        Engineer48, thanks I have no interest in papers, patents, etc. until somebody produces a clear, open, repeatable, recipe that anybody skilled in the art can copy and show a COP above 1, without any interpretation, experimentation or whatever, until then Cold Fusion is not exceptable as a proven science.
        Are you guys now in that position, to construct a device and report here on ECW your success on my above terms?
        Best

        • GiveADogABone

          http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf
          Does this meet your terms?

          It is reported on ECW a bit further down this thread.
          Approximately CoP 2.47 is stated.

          • georgehants

            Give, No, please confirm that you (I think you do Cold Fusion work) MFMP, Engineer48 etc. can and will repeat the work you describe in your reply, then when you consistently achieve a COP above 1, the people you describe can claim to be the first in the World to have their work confirmed and should be recognised and rewarded for their World changing achievement.
            Claims such as Rossi’s are scientifically null until confirmed by open repetition or completely free and open testing.

          • Chapman

            “Claims such as Rossi’s are scientifically null until confirmed by open repetition or completely free and open testing.”

            So, was the work of the Manhattan Project scientifically null up until the Russians mastered the bomb?

            By your assertion, Fat Man and Little Boy were scientifically inconsequential, failed to prove the ability to harness nuclear chain reactions, and subject to skepticism – because the exact engineering behind them, and the design details, were not publically available, and because no one else could replicate them. That is a ridiculous argument. Reality is not subject to consensus opinion, nor dependant upon third-party replication.

            So, I guess the first hand witness of the Japanese citizenry meant nothing? The footage was probably faked – right? Nobody died because the US did not publish a peer-review paper?

            THEORY is useful – but DEMONSTRATION is PROOF George.

            Publication, replication, and peer-reviewed theory papers are totally irrelevant when the damn thing is sitting there in front of you.

            Your constant slights and denials are tiresome and childish.

          • you make a point.
            a real independent client ca be a solid evidence.

            the city of Hiroshima were indépendant clients, clearly not accomplice with US labs. It is not fair to say they were satisfied but they were not in mood to reverse the US claim that it worked as designed. (sorry for the dark humor reading Nankin funny groupthink story make it more bearable)

            If Rossi can prove he have a real and happy client, who is not his attorney, who have a real product line, I will be convinced.

            for now he rather raise red flags.

        • Cedric Hazell

          As per GiveADogABone response do you consider your terms met?

  • GiveADogABone

    Hot(800C), Hydrogen saturated, catalytic Nickel.

    Strange thing is that this is a description of the SMR process vessel I have been working with on the 1MW test production plant process. Cook it up to 1100C. Would that make it take off as an LENR reactor like Quoc’s[1:] test cell?

    You could add some Lithium doping as well; the SMR catalysts are already doped with Potassium to reduce carbon deposition and the catalysts contain as much Hydrogen at the end as at the begining of a run.

    [1:] http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf

  • GiveADogABone

    Hot(800C), Hydrogen saturated, catalytic Nickel.

    Strange thing is that this is a description of the SMR process vessel I have been working with on the 1MW test production plant process. Cook it up to 1100C. Would that make it take off as an LENR reactor like Quoc’s[1:] test cell?

    You could add some Lithium doping as well; the SMR catalysts are already doped with Potassium to reduce carbon deposition and the catalysts contain as much Hydrogen at the end as at the begining of a run.

    [1:] http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ExcessHeatInLAH-Ni_Stepanov_English.pdf

  • Engineer48
  • Engineer48
    • Chapman

      Sir,

      Now that you have the core reaction process completely nailed down, do me a favor and take a moment to think through what the exact same reactor does if you replace the nickel with Platinum or Palladium.

      What influence do the total mass, atomic number, and atomic diameter of the transition metal have on the Mouse, the Cat, and whatever might happen beyond the Cat?

      Also – what happens if you salt the fuel with a small percentage of depleted Uranium from an A-10 Warthog slug?

      • GiveADogABone

        Are we discussing neutrons or protons in respect of the Warthog ammunition?
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238
        Uranium-238 (238U or U-238) is the most common isotope of uranium found in nature. It is not fissile, but is a fertile material: it can capture a slow neutron and after two beta decays become fissile plutonium-239.

        • Chapman

          I am suggesting looking at results of exposing 238 to long term energetic proton bombardment.

          I am not referring to the 238 contributing anything, just the effect ON the 238 after a year long run in an active reactor.

          • GiveADogABone

            Is there a U238+p reaction? Yes
            From the Piantelli patent :-
            1H+ + 238U -> 239Np(β-) + 5.287 MeV{8c}
            then :-
            239Np trace 2.356 d β− 0.218 239Pu

  • Engineer48
    • GiveADogABone

      Are we discussing neutrons or protons in respect of the Warthog ammunition?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238
      Uranium-238 (238U or U-238) is the most common isotope of uranium found in nature. It is not fissile, but is a fertile material: it can capture a slow neutron and after two beta decays become fissile plutonium-239.

      • Chapman

        I am suggesting looking at results of exposing 238 to long term energetic proton bombardment.

        I am not referring to the 238 contributing anything, just the effect ON the 238 after a year long run in an active reactor.

        • GiveADogABone

          Is there a U238+p reaction? I only know about U238+n. Do a double n and you get Plutonium.

  • Engineer48
  • GiveADogABone

    Shi Nguyen-Kuok – Professor, Doctor of Technical Sciences, Academician of the Russian Academy of Electrical Sciences, Head of Laboratory of Plasma Physics of National Research University “Moscow Power Engineering Institute”, Supervisor of Ltd “Technokeramika”.

    Do you mean this scientist? How much higher do you have to go to get serious?

    • Bob Greenyer

      This is a serious scientist at a serious lab.

      Do not under estimate the fast way they make their experiments.

      The Moscow Power Institute has a fantastic array of lab facilities.

  • Engineer48

    Hi Chapman,

    Yup.

    Pure and simple aneutronic p+Li7 fusion reaction.

    Would LOVE to watch the alphas boil off the Li into a nearby cloud chamber.

    Imagine the regulatory issues.

    Yes sir it is a confirmed very high dual COP FUSION reactor.

    Yes sir I did say a dual fusion reactor.

    What are the dual fusion reactions?

    Ni+H > p > p+Li7.

    No sir there are NO harmful neutrons or other nasties emitted. The alphas generate the heat.

    Sir please, STOP, you can’t, please don’t lock me up & throw away the key……………………………………..
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01836e1c8e4bea4a68b82821c168794788f2a900e44724aaab9f328e732ce16d.jpg

    • Engineer48

      Hi Rusolf,

      You are correct and it will take a long time until APS apologies for past crimes against LENR.
      .

    • GiveADogABone

      There is a problem with Ni+H > p > p+Li7.
      I have Ni58 + p → Cu59→ Ni59 + ν + e+ and also e- + e+ → γ + γ
      The p in p+Li7 must be coming from somewhere else but there are plenty of ‘p’s around to do the Lithium fission.

      • Engineer48

        Hi GiveADogABone,

        From Piantelli’s latest granted patent 18 May 2016:
        https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

        [0011] More in detail, during the process of orbital capture, H- ions can lose its own couple of electrons and form protons 1H+.

        A first fraction of the protons 1H+ is subjected to direct nuclear capture reactions by the nuclei of the same atoms of the clusters in which the orbital capture has occurred, while a second fraction of the protons 1H+ can be expelled by Coulomb repulsion from the nucleus of the metal atom where the orbital capture has taken place.

        The expelled protons have an energy that can be determined and characterised.

        For instance, in the case of Nickel, this energy is about 6.7 MeV, as detected by a Wilson chamber, on the basis of Bethe’s equation.

        A part of the protons of the second portion, which does not react with other nuclei of the primary material, can leave the latter and interact with a material adapted to give rise to proton-dependent reactions, if this is present.

        • GiveADogABone

          You beat me by about ten minutes! There are the expelled protons at 6.7Mev and the ones that enter the nucleus and become copper, so the p as is >p> is not the same one (of definitely in a fixed ratio?) for either side of the equation.

          We therefore have two separate equations.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            You need to read para 22 onward as Piantelli is using the alphas and other particles from the p+Li7 reaction to feedback back into the Ni+H reaction to enhance it.

            SHITE!

            [0022] In an exemplary embodiment, a step is provided of prearranging an amount of a secondary material facing the primary material

            and within a predetermined maximum distance from the primary material,

            the secondary material selected to engage with protons of energy higher than a predetermined energy threshold, which come from the primary material,

            by nuclear proton-dependent reactions that occur with a release of radiations,

            in particular of α, β, γ, X radiations, and/or of particles,

            wherein said protons are emitted by said primary material,

            wherein said step of supplying an energy vector (69) is carried out by said radiations and/or said particles released by said proton-dependent reactions,

            the radiations and/or the particles reaching the hydrogen proximate to the primary material, which provides an excitation step.

            DOUBLE SHITE!!
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            Feedback can be fun as any control engineer knows. Positive or negative as Rossi would say.

          • GiveADogABone

            http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/37755/h2-molecule-dissociation-with-respect-to-temperature
            H2 dissociation is only 0.081% at around 2000K and 95.5% at around 5000K, why?
            I have read somewhere that H2 must disassociate to enter the Nickel lattice but then recombines to form H2.
            H2 with electrons is neutral.
            Fire that at a Nickel nucleus and what happens?
            Maybe one of the ‘H’s goes inwards and one is expelled?
            That would be kind of handy.
            No evidence of course.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            H2 dissociates on contact with transitional metals and the 2 x Hs are adsorbed on the surface. I understand there are geometry constraints regarding flats, peaks, pits, cracks, etc.

            Piantelli’s latest patent is good at explaining:
            https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

            why the 2 variances H+ and H- are needed.
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            I think you are still on the surface but inside there is a great deal of research about Hydrogen embrittlement. I am confident I got that quote from there. I also remember quotes about extremely high pressure in lattice defects and again I think that was molecular Hydrogen. I will try to find something.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GiveADogABone,

            Try this:
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_hydride

            Surface:
            Hydrogen atoms bond strongly with a nickel surface, with hydrogen molecules disassociating in order to do so.

            Disassociation of hydrogen requires enough energy to cross a barrier.

            On a Ni(111) crystal surface the barrier is 46 kJ/mol, whereas on Ni(100) the barrier is 52 kJ/mol. The Ni(110) crystal plane surface has the lowest activation energy to break the hydrogen molecule at 36 kJ/mol.

            The surface layer of hydrogen on nickel can be released by heating. Ni(111) lost hydrogen between 320 and 380 K. Ni(100) lost hydrogen between 220 and 360 K. Ni(110) crystal surfaces lost hydrogen between 230 and 430 K.[3]

            In order to dissolve inside the nickel, hydrogen must migrate from on the surface through the face of a nickel crystal. This does not take place in a vacuum, but can take place when the hydrogen coated nickel surface is impacted by other molecules. The molecules do not have to be hydrogen, but they appear to work like hammers punching the hydrogen atoms through the nickel surface to the subsurface. An activation energy of 100 kJ/mol is required to penetrate the surface.

        • wizkid

          Ok, to optimize the hydrogenation in my next fuel cell, I propose to separate a mixture of 90% Ni and 10% 7Li (Part 1) from the Lithium aluminium hydride (Part2) in a 50% to 50% ratio. So 50% will be LAH, and 50% Ni 7Li. A small ceramic separator will allow the gas to permeate the Ni7Li portion, but reduce the coating of the Ni7Li with Aluminum. The fuel cell will be heated in the reactor chamber that I am attaching a drawing of. The fuel cell is also shown in a drawing that is attached to this comment. I will wait for some comments for a short time before I begin to prepare the fuel cell. The reactor chamber is already assembled and tested. I will publish the results of the run during the next few days. Thank you for any constructive input you can provide!

          • Engineer48

            Hi WizKid,

            Please read this latest granted Piantelli patent of 18 May 2016:
            https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

            You need to read para 22 onward as Piantelli is using the alphas and other particles from the p+Li7 reaction to feedback back into the Ni+H reaction to enhance it.

            His Li is near the Ni but not in contact with it nor I suspect can the Li chemically contact his Ni. Piantelli manually hydrogenated his Ni and doesn’t use LiAlH4.

            Please read the patent, it is cleared as to what he does than anything else I have read.

            SHITE!

            [0022] In an exemplary embodiment, a step is provided of prearranging an amount of a secondary material facing the primary material

            and within a predetermined maximum distance from the primary material,

            the secondary material selected to engage with protons of energy higher than a predetermined energy threshold, which come from the primary material,

            by nuclear proton-dependent reactions that occur with a release of radiations,

            in particular of α, β, γ, X radiations, and/or of particles,

            wherein said protons are emitted by said primary material,

            wherein said step of supplying an energy vector (69) is carried out by said radiations and/or said particles released by said proton-dependent reactions,

            the radiations and/or the particles reaching the hydrogen proximate to the primary material, which provides an excitation step.

            DOUBLE SHITE!!

          • artefact

            So the Ni surface facing the Li surface should be made as big as possible. Like a waver 🙂 . Place a thin ceramic layer in between as a proton conductor. Many layers are possible.
            One could also use electric fields to guide the proton flow I guess.

          • wizkid

            ?! and ??! Cool beans.

          • sam
          • Frost*

            Just for the record that’s from 2011. Sadly, Prof Kullander passed away in 2014.

          • you make a point.
            a real independent client ca be a solid evidence.

            the city of Hiroshima were indépendant clients, clearly not accomplice with US labs. It is not fair to say they were satisfied but they were not in mood to reverse the US claim that it worked as designed. (sorry for the dark humor reading Nankin funny groupthink story make it more bearable)

            If Rossi can prove he have a real and happy client, who is not his attorney, who have a real product line, I will be convinced.

            for now he rather raise red flags.

          • LION

            sam, thanks for posting, http://www.nyteknik.se/energi/… a very interesting read.

          • Sam, it’s all in my book An Impossible Invention.

          • LION

            Mats, it was great to SEE the video interview. The magic of sound and vision. e books can add a certain dimension but being OLD the pleasure of a real book in the hands will always be tops for me.

          • Thanks Lion. Actually, I had almost forgot about the video interview. Time flies…

  • Engineer48

    Piantelli’s latest granted patent (granted 18 May 2016):
    https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

    The 2nd page is Pure Gold as attached.

    Gotta like this bit:

    [0011] More in detail, during the process of orbital capture, H- ions can lose its own couple of electrons and form protons 1H+.

    A first fraction of the protons 1H+ is subjected to direct nuclear capture reactions by the nuclei of the same atoms of the clusters in which the orbital capture has occurred, while a second fraction of the protons 1H+ can be expelled by Coulomb repulsion from the nucleus of the metal atom where the orbital capture has taken place.

    The expelled protons have an energy that can be determined and characterised.

    For instance, in the case of Nickel, this energy is about 6.7 MeV, as detected by a Wilson chamber, on the basis of Bethe’s equation.

    A part of the protons of the second portion, which does not react with other nuclei of the primary material, can leave the latter and interact with a material adapted to give rise to proton-dependent reactions, if this is present.

    The material adapted to give rise to proton-dependent reactions is Lithium and the aneutronic p+Li7 = 17.3 MeV fusion reaction.

    STOP press. Piantelli is directing the alpha particle output from the p+Li7 reaction back to the Ni to enhance the Ni+H reaction!
    .
    .

    • gameover

      I would simply focus on paragraphs [0014] – [0016].

      • Engineer48

        Hi GameOver,

        Piantelli is using part of the energy release from the 2 fusion reactions to create a positive feedback system to drive the reaction rate of both the Ni+H and p+_Li7 reactions higher and higher.

        That is GOOD engineering.
        .

        • gameover

          But that is an “extra”. The core of the reaction is described in paragraphs 0014-0016. Piantelli is basically saying “to generate H- ionize the hydrogen atoms adsorbed on the clusters using a method of your choice”.

          • Engineer48

            Hi GameOver,

            Well I suggest it will increase reactor output power to very high levels as a part of the energy release from each fusion reaction is used to drive the other fusion reactor.

            As a systems engineer, that is how to do the business.

            Use some of the p+Li7 released particles to enhance the drive of the Ni+H system while will generate more protons, which will generate more feedback products from the p+Li7 reaction to the Ni+H reaction.

            This will need a really good control system or it will go BANG and maybe in a not so nice way as we now have a dual fusion reaction with each system feeding back energy into the other.

            Not so nice to think about but wonder how fast that reaction could ramp up the energy output?
            .

          • GiveADogABone

            The half lives of the copper isotopes tell you that.
            Have you read my post?

          • Bob Greenyer

            This is correct, and even more so for directly coupled molten Li on Ni. In addition, the Li has very high heat capacity and so can effectively prevent overheating of the Nickel. The problem or perhaps benefit is that Nickel can be dissolved by Lithium. In Piantelli embodiment, the low pressure H2 may not be as effective at removing heat from the primary material.

            It is nice to see this re-iterated, when people have demanded to be told how it works, I have often said to go and read Piantelli’s patents.

          • Engineer48

            Hi Bob,

            Piantelli’s patents are very readable and tell a very graphic story, that to me is a man who knows how to talk the talk that does the walk. IE he knows what he talks.

            As for the solid versus liquid Li, well it is all here, including how a thicker amount of Li increases performance at low proton energies.

            http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Ionic%20Debye%20screening%20in%20Li-p%20reaction.pdf

            More pure Gold nuggets.
            .

          • Engineer48

            The Gold Nuggets showing how thicker Li liquid enhances lower keV reaction efficiencies.

            This is so coming together.
            .

          • Bob Greenyer

            E48 – assuming this is that same paper I read a while back, making Lithium Molten gives 500eV of screening, that is the takeway.

            You may have missed the Unified Gravity Coorporation research that shows the proton only needs to be <225 eV to do the p+7Li reaction. Couple these two together and you have a much higher probability.

            One last point, in Piantelli's embodiment, he may actually deliberately set the H2 pressure and reactant plate distances to attenuate the protons to an energy suitably optimised to interact with the way the Lithium is supported/chemically held in the secondary plate.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Yes – that research is what I meant the other day when I said there is another reason you want it liquid.

          • Rene

            Microseconds. Hopefully doppler scattering will slow it down.

  • Charlie tapp

    @engineer 48 well done I personally can not keep up so let me know when I can go to my kitchen and get everything I need to shut off my electric and gas meter. Also when you do your patent don’t say lenr just call it a lithium ni cad battery. (Wonder what would happen if a guy actually made a lithium ni cad battery and threw it in their electric ove???) that’s my speed right there good luck and don’t leave

  • wizkid

    Ok, to optimize the hydrogenation in my next fuel cell, I propose to separate a mixture of 90% Ni and 10% 7Li (Part 1) from the Lithium aluminium hydride (Part2) in a 50% to 50% ratio. So 50% will be LAH, and 50% Ni 7Li. A small ceramic separator will allow the gas to permeate the Ni7Li portion, but reduce the coating of the Ni7Li with Aluminum. The fuel cell will be heated in the reactor chamber that I am attaching a drawing of. The fuel cell is also shown in a drawing that is attached to this comment. I will wait for some comments for a short time before I begin to prepare the fuel cell. The reactor chamber is already assembled and tested. I will publish the results of the run during the next few days. Thank you for any constructive input you can provide!

    • Engineer48

      Hi WizKid,

      Please read this latest granted Piantelli patent of 18 May 2016:
      https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

      You need to read para 22 onward as Piantelli is using the alphas and other particles from the p+Li7 reaction to feedback back into the Ni+H reaction to enhance it.

      His Li is near the Ni but not in contact with it nor I suspect can the Li chemically contact his Ni. Piantelli manually hydrogenated his Ni and doesn’t use LiAlH4.

      Please read the patent, it is cleared as to what he does than anything else I have read.

      SHITE!

      [0022] In an exemplary embodiment, a step is provided of prearranging an amount of a secondary material facing the primary material

      and within a predetermined maximum distance from the primary material,

      the secondary material selected to engage with protons of energy higher than a predetermined energy threshold, which come from the primary material,

      by nuclear proton-dependent reactions that occur with a release of radiations,

      in particular of α, β, γ, X radiations, and/or of particles,

      wherein said protons are emitted by said primary material,

      wherein said step of supplying an energy vector (69) is carried out by said radiations and/or said particles released by said proton-dependent reactions,

      the radiations and/or the particles reaching the hydrogen proximate to the primary material, which provides an excitation step.

      DOUBLE SHITE!!

      • artefact

        So the Ni surface facing the Li surface should be made as big as possible. Like a waver 🙂 . Place a thin ceramic layer in between as a proton conductor. Many layers are possible.
        One could also use electric fields to guide the proton flow I guess.

      • wizkid

        ?! and ??! Cool beans.

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Just for fun, maybe heat up some boric acid with nickel power (It would lose some water upon heating.).
    http://disq.us/p/143xd76

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Just for fun, maybe heat up some boric acid with nickel power (It would lose some water upon heating.).
    http://disq.us/p/143xd76

  • Engineer48

    What amazes me is the classical proton energy needed to penetrate the Li nucleus is 1.2 MeV and yet the paper shows the researchers measuring alphas (the product of p+Li7 fusion) with 20 keV protons, so go figure. Should add that other research shows 200 eV protons initiating p+Li7 fusion, which I suspect may be done via tunneling.

    http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/files/Ionic%20Debye%20screening%20in%20Li-p%20reaction.pdf

    Of course in the latest Piantelli patent issued 18 May 2016,
    https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/ce11de9d72cb3f3d1c68/EP12778404NWB1.pdf

    he is obviously very aware of this and positions some Li very close to but not touching the Ni so the p+Li7 output products hit the Ni and cause it to produce more protons, which then fires more protons into the Li, which then fires more Li fusion products into the NI which then foires more protons into the Li ………. and the positive feedback dual fusion reaction amplification loop continues.

    Should add that by the melted Li NOT covering the Ni, the Ni can keep processing H to make and eject more energetic protons to fire back into the melted nearby but not touching Li.

    So guys it may NOT be a good idea to let ANYTHING coat the Ni.

    What I see here is basically how a fission reaction works, from the positive feedback but this time using 2 fusion reactions that do not need radioactive fuels, produce neutrons or other undesirable outputs.

    This is VERY clever and very real engineering.

    Hello world, here is my latest dual fusion reactor that uses no radioactive fuel and generates no radioactive fuel nor dangerous emissions.

    I call it “Mr. Fusion”.
    .

    • Rene

      There is an analogue with Li6 D fusion. That too is a positive feedback process but with neutrons. The irony is that a softer from of energy with no radiologicals comes from Li7, the stuff thrown away when the massive separation of Li6 was done to make all those H bombs.

      • Engineer48

        Hi Rene,

        Yup.

        With experimental data backing p+Li7 fusion can occur with 20keV protons and the classical energy needed is 1.2MeV, well it seems there is another page to be added to the book of fusion physics.

        Is this more aneutronic / safe fusion data that the “Hot Fusioneers” wish was not in the public domain?
        .

        • David Albert

          E48
          Have you looked at the work of Lawrenceville Plasma Physics on aneutronic reactions? They are working on small hot fusion machine and have shown a lot of progress.

    • GiveADogABone

      I am seeing the gap between primary and secondary fuel as necessary for allowing Hydrogen in and Helium out. The Helium is stated to depress the reaction so the Helium must be vented.

      • Engineer48

        Hi GiveADogABone,

        BIG 😉

      • GiveADogABone

        Seems simple enough to me.
        No reason to think that the pathways to Copper and Lithium are not numerically stable, until you mess about with the control system. Yesterday’s problem sorted 🙂

        1: Orbital Capture
        (H-)-2e -> p

        2: Nuclear Capture
        p+Ni -> Cu
        -1H + 58Ni-> 59Cu + 3.417 MeV{1a}
        -1H + 60Ni-> 61Cu + 4.796 MeV{1b}
        -1H + 61Ni-> 62Cu + 5.866 MeV{1c}
        -1H + 62Ni-> 63Cu + 6.122 MeV{1d}
        -1H + 64Ni-> 65Cu + 7.453 MeV{1e}

        3: Coulomb Repulsion
        p+Ni -> p+Ni 6.7Mev

        Repelled ‘p’s
        3.1 p+Ni -> Cu Nuclear Capture as in 2:
        3.2 p+Li7 -> 2He4 Lithium Fission

        • Wouldn’t this be Focardi’s and Rossi’s original paper from March 2010 (https://espace.cern.ch/test-vila/WP4/Documents/A%20new%20energy%20source%20from%20nuclear%20fusion%20Rossi-Focardi_paper.pdf ) , merged with Piantelli’s theories?

          • GiveADogABone

            An obvious first question : Who has the prior art?
            This paper is dated March 22, 2010 and mentions a patent.
            The Piantelli patent: Date of filing:13.07.2012 When did Piantelli first file this IP?
            This needs to be sorted out.
            Goodness knows how a patent court would view the obvious coming clash?

            The second question is the physics. Is there any substantial difference in the Focardi/Rossi process and the Piantelli process?
            Both use Ni, H and Li, maybe arranged in different geometries. Piantelli separates the Li from the Ni where Rossi now seems to merge the Ni+Li in a single powder mixture but the reactions are the same.

            PS:
            The Focardi/Rossi paper clearly states the Nickel-Copper-Nickel chain in Table 2. Piantelli states the same and I can see no reason to doubt that as a fact The important corollary is the fact that the delay inherent in the half-lives of the Copper is available to stabilize the reactor in exactly the same way that delayed neutrons in a Uranium fission reactor enable proper control.

            Without the Copper time delays the reactors would be uncontrollable and just like a Uranium reactor you can get a ‘prompt criticality’. Plenty of those on the record of the LENR development. The saving grace for LENR is that the fuel melts and the reaction stops with no decay heat. For Uranium you get a Chernobyl.

    • GiveADogABone

      This is for a p-p interaction at T=10,000K. Recalculate for p+Li7 at T=1000K?
      http://burro.cwru.edu/Academics/Astr221/StarPhys/coulomb.html
      So particles with 3-10 keV of energy (which there are plenty of in the Sun’s core) can overcome the Coulomb barrier.

  • georgehants

    Morning, as you guys continue to deeply analyze every scrap of information available and seem to feel you are getting somewhere, would anybody like to take a chance and forecast when it will all fall together and the first openly, repeatable, report confirming useful Cold Fusion will appear on these pages.

  • sam
    • Frost*

      Just for the record that’s from 2011. Sadly, Prof Kullander passed away in 2014.

    • LION

      sam, thanks for posting, http://www.nyteknik.se/energi/… a very interesting read.

    • Sam, it’s all in my book An Impossible Invention.

      • LION

        Mats, it was great to SEE the video interview. The magic of sound and vision. e books can add a certain dimension but being OLD the pleasure of a real book in the hands will always be tops for me.

        • Thanks Lion. Actually, I had almost forgot about the video interview. Time flies…
          BTW, I hope you know there’s a paperback version of the book too.

  • MorganMck

    I would like to be optimistic about high COP LENR as a result of all this new excitement owing to some “new” connecting of the dots from old sources by E48. These “new” insights seem to stem mostly from a close examination of the Piantelli patents with circumstantial corroboration from what Rossi may have “let slip” over time. All this before one reactor has been built or one experiment performed.

    I have a lot of respect for E48 and Bob, but I wonder if the enthusiasm might be a little premature. Here are a couple of reasons why (and I may have my facts all screwed up here in which case I would love to be corrected). Piantelli is the ultimate source for much of the apriori “breakthrough” postualted here yet Piantelli has has demonstrated no high COP reactors applying his patented theory. Why? If he has the goods why hasn’t he produced something more impressive than the low COP apparatus shown so far.

    Also, Piantelli has been working directly with MFMP in a fairly open way. Why hasn’t this collaboration resulted in a successful application of the “secret sauce” embodied in the Piantelli patents? Was Piantelli holding back?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m happy for all the excitement. But help me understand why E48 and Co. have a higher probability of success in applying Piantelli knowledge than MFMP and Pintelli himself. There is probably a good reason that I’m just not seeing.

    • Rene

      I too have similar concerns. What has been missing in the MFMP experiments is the total lack of feedback mechanisms in their reactor. Now granted the last experiments were performed to determine if the first step reaction, NiH, generates LENR. The apparatus, being completely dissipative, means the results would be small. The next step is getting the Li7 reaction set up in an experimental run to see how the results of that dual pump LENR effect will fare.
      I think knowing more about the patents and other prior knowledge, especially the fuel preparation processes will help ignite a strong LENR effect outside of just Rossi’s claims, which being secretive are easily challenged claims. Even COP 2-3 for 30 minutes would be outstanding.
      So the question, whether E48, et-al can do better than MFMP or Piantelli, is not quite the proper ask. Rather, a better ask is if any of them have found the recipe that achieves strong LENR as Rossi has said he can do. These recent discussions seem to be going that way.
      And again, although it is extremely important to develop decent control methods to deliver sustained linear strong LENR (I have been critical this need), getting to strong LENR replication is the critical first goal.

      • MorganMck

        Fair enough Rene. The only reason I focused on Piantellli is he seemed to be the main source of the “hidden treasure.” For that to be true, he would have had to not understand what he had, yet his patent language seems to indicate otherwise. Here’s hoping E48’s epiphany translates into high COP reactors in due course. It will be interesting to see if an engineer can “connect the dots” that the scientists have so far been unable to unravel (at least the ones we know about).

  • Alan DeAngelis

    Perhaps the lithium hydride, LiH that is trapped in a nickel cavity has some covalent bond character. Maybe the infrared stretching oscillations of that covalent bond might bring the nuclei close enough together to tunnel. Li~~H Li~H Li~~H Li~H http://disq.us/p/16j7thj

    • Alan DeAngelis

      OK, I put you all to sleep with the molecular spectroscopy video. I’ll have to pull out all the stops. This video will help you more fully appreciate oscillating systems in nature.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDpD2757jrc

      • Jouni Tuomela

        Finding the effective frequency from the crowd could be the key??

        • Alan DeAngelis

          It needs some DoE funding.

      • Chapman

        You make Physics Absolutely Mesmerizing! All Bill Nye has is that stupid Bow Tie!

        If my Professors had demonstrated oscillating systems this way I would have stuck around for my PHD!!!

  • cashmemorz

    A while back I was asking for a “LENR for Dummies”. Ok, so I am a dummy. What Chapman just did was answer my question about LENR process in a way that I can understand. It makes sense of all those other statements made by all of those other physicists that were using esoteric language. It all fits and fits nicely. Thank you Mr. Chapman. Also I should add, this is the kind of “putting it all together nicely” that Albert Einstein did that made him recognized in the new field of cosmology. He took all of the earlier work done by the likes of Lorentz, added a bit of his own insights and simply restated it all in a neat concise way to the point that his paper showed irrefutably to be comprehensive and accurate as to what had been stated by others at earlier times but in somewhat disjointed ways.

    Thank you again. I’m not sure if you qualify for a Noble prize but you’re close in a way that Einstein was in his ability to describe the process or mechanics of cosmology. Piantelli, Rossi and others have stated the process of LENR in also esoteric or disjointed ways. It’s just that you have put it in a nice and, may I say simple stupid enough way so that I and many others can easily understand the process of the machine.

    • Chapman

      That means a great deal to me, coming from you. I mean that seriously.

      I am humbled.

      I am very happy my ramblings helped in some way.

      • cashmemorz

        You have a separate topic on ECW based on that “rambling”. I for one will be quoting that if you don’t mind. I try to promote LENR at least Rossi’s E-Cat and the way you describe it may be used to enlighten those interested.

  • wizkid

    Elements composing fuel are minimized for surface contact. Provision is made for H to transfer in gaseous form through the cell. Fuel cell updated per comments. Special attention was given to the comment made by E regarding “Interesting details in the Rossi patent update: linked below”

    https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000032278621/PDOC/WO2016018851.pdf

    These details show that Ni + LiAIH4 are used in one embodiment of the invention. Ni and LiAlH4 are used in the fuel of at least one working embodiment that works.

    See the NEW reactor design below:

  • Thor Leach

    Looks like there’s some movement over at the NSF EM Drive Forum. Rumor has it that Eagleworks EM Drive/Q-Thruster paper has been peer reviewed and accepted for publication! Maybe you should consider prioritizing microgravity operation and a high electrical output in your prototype reactor designs 😉

    “It is my understanding that Eaglework’s new paper has been today accepted for publication in a peer-review journal, where it will be published. I expect that Eagleworks should receive notification momentarily (it should be in the mail). 🙂 Note: I have not heard this from anybody employed by NASA.

    Congratulations to the Eagleworks team !!!!!!!!”

    https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=40959.0;all

  • Engineer48

    To help to understand the different stages of Ni hydrogenation or the creation of beta stage Nickel Hydride I have modified this diagram to add state c1 that shows the H2 hammering the alpha stage surface H atoms into the Ni lattice to create beta stage Nickel Hydride that we need to create hydrogenated Ni.

    This process is not as simple as the diagram.

    I and others agree that the main reason that DIYers fail to achieve excess heat is probably their Ni is not fully saturated beta stage Ni.

  • Engineer48

    To help to understand the different stages of Ni hydrogenation or the creation of beta stage Nickel Hydride I have modified this diagram to add state c1 that shows the H2 hammering the alpha stage surface H atoms into the Ni lattice to create beta stage Nickel Hydride that we need to create hydrogenated Ni.

    This process is not as simple as the diagram.

    I and others agree that the main reason that DIYers fail to achieve excess heat is probably their Ni is not fully saturated beta stage Ni.