Rossi: An Alloy and Outsourcing (Updated)

A couple of new details provided by Andrea Rossi today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Courtney Kissinger
February 4, 2018 at 2:07 AM
Dear Andrea
Can you explain the material the reactor that contains the plasma is made with?

Andrea Rossi
February 4, 2018 at 8:35 AM
Courtney Kissinger:
I cannot, it is an alloy we invented.
Warm Regards,

February 4, 2018 at 4:59 AM
Mr Rossi,
Will you also outsource part of the components of the Ecats?

Andrea Rossi
February 4, 2018 at 8:34 AM
Warm Regards,

The alloy Rossi mentions here probably refers to something he has reported previously — that they had to make a material that was heat-resistant enough to handle the high temperatures of the E-Cat QX, because they could not find a commercially available material to do the job.

As far as outsourcing goes, I would imagine if they can get parts for the E-Cat (that are not confidential) made more efficiently by outside companies, they will do so, as it will save them time and money in what would surely is already a complex operation.

UPDATE (Feb 5, 2018)

Here’s a little bit more from a Q&A on the JONP regarding the alloy:

Colin Watters
February 5, 2018 at 5:54 AM
Dear Mr Rossi,

Do the wires taking power into the plasma electrodes also have to be made of a similar high temperature alloy? Did you need to invent one for those as well? Thanks.

Andrea Rossi
February 5, 2018 at 9:05 AM
Colin Watters:
Warm Regards,

  • sam
  • sam


    February 4, 2018 at 10:29 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    It is fascinating that you have invented a new alloy as the QX plasma
    catalyst. Was this alloy essential for the need to resist the melting
    point of the high temperatures required for full operation or melt into a
    plasma state when a required temperature is met. Could you explain
    further if neither? Will you patent the alloy if within patent criteria
    or would that be too risky with patent rogue nations? Thank you.
    With much respect,

    Andrea Rossi
    February 4, 2018 at 11:12 AM
    I cannot give more info about this issue.
    Warm Regards,

    • Brokeeper

      Lol! Frank is much better at extracting information.

      • sam

        Frank has obtained some interesting information from
        the questions he has asked A.R.

        • Brokeeper

          Of course Mats Lewan is the Master. 🙂

  • sam


    February 4, 2018 at 9:08 AM
    Dear Dr. Andrea Rosii.

    On this photo the streets of Manhattan in 1900 and 1913.

    I am sure that the E-Kat cause as much explosive development of engineering and technology.

    Do you think we are already in the “1900” year?

    And another question (I think this should not be a secret, because in
    the previous experiments you have repeatedly called), the number
    (weight) of the “fuel” loaded in the Quark QX.

    And the second question (the actual variation of the first), what is the specific energy intensity of the “fuel”?

    (E = TC2 I know He, he, he …)
    Thank you.
    Yuriy Isaev
    Russia, Tyumen

    Andrea Rossi
    February 4, 2018 at 11:17 AM
    These numbers will be defined in the proposals of the actual products.
    Warm Regards,

  • cashmemorz

    First, if Randell Mills Hydrino-hydrate based plastics, are as “extremely energy intensive to destroy” as Mills claims, and both Mills and Rossi got together, somehow, but competition is a bitch. But maybe, just in case then Rossi could have another material that seems to fit Rossi’s requirement for a material with such high heat resistant properties. There was mention of Mills’ hydrino-hydrate, blueish-purplish crystals have been analyzed by someone, unclear who. My take is the military would be all over these crystals if they exist. In which case Rossi might have to wait in line until the military finds something even better. And that may take a long time, given the low probability of coming across anything else as good in the near future.

    • Ophelia Rump

      I don’t think that Hydrino-Hydrate based plastics exist. If they did, that would prove the existence of Hydrino, and their existence is a matter of some considerable doubt.

      Surely Randell would provide a single rubber duckey made of the stuff and accept his Nobel prize if he had such a thing; as it would instantly overturn quantum theory. Wouldn’t he?

      • enantiomer2000

        Producing these hydrino based compounds in the past has apparently been (until very recently) difficult. On the other hand, Randell Mills is an entrepreneur. He wants to make a lot of money from hydrino. Considering that it is more than a +1 trillion dollar per year market, he will be a very rich man.. if he ever gets a product to market.

        • cashmemorz

          There are two products in use, one since 1986 and another since 2012. The third to be this year. So its is not if ever he gets one to market, they are already out there and more in development. That is why he has stopped accepting investments.

      • cashmemorz

        At first I thought that quantum mechanics as based on wave theory of matter was the cats meow and apple pie and stuff like that as most people interested in physics are. Since the 1960’s, in high school, then university where I majored in physics at the BSc level, much work using physics with government military and private sector, so iI “had” a sense of what physics was all about. Then In 2011, I came across Randell Mills and his demos. It looked awfully hokey at the time. Curousity got me and I dug in every which way, into what his work is all about from the very start when Herman Haus used that theory to make the Free Electron Laser for the USA military. Quantum Mechanics could not be used for engineering that item or any thing else. Then 2 more items, the Millsian in use by thousands, the Suncell to be past final engineering phase this year. three more items in development. All these items should not work according to QM but do. There is a ton of evidence against QM and two tons of evidence for Grand Unified Theory-Classical Physics. That is why I keep harping about When I realized that, then Randell Mills id=s the only physics game in town. The evidence is all over, you just have to look at it.

        • LilyLover

          On this one, I agree with you!

        • Ophelia Rump

          On a personal level he strikes me as a self aggrandizing carnival huckster. On the technical level which I am capable of appreciating,(Pedestrian) it seems to me that he is wet burning aluminum in an arc welder.

          When his proponents suggest he has some physical manifestation of his theory in the form of a room temperature or severely much higher temperature hydrate super plastic, I begin to wonder why anyone would be shilling for this huckster with such intensity and disregard for reason.

          I guess I am just a skeptic by nature. It’s only me, I hope you can forgive my hesitance to accept what has been presented.

      • tlp

        Mills today when asked about that latest video from December 2017:
        “The tests to date indicate that the filamentous product comprises hydrino. I am working on a paper that reports the results of many types of analyses. It will likely take a month or two to complete. Very exciting! Hydrino in a bottle!”

        • Ophelia Rump

          So it just went from Hydrino-Hydrate based plastics to filamentous product which might comprise hydrino?

          Step back, I think you are standing in quicksand.

  • Bruce__H

    ” … It is an alloy we invented.”

    Who is “we”? Those who are helping Mr Rossi invent an alloys enable the ecatx should get some recognition!

  • I agree f sedei. And I note that Rossi is regularly on that tiny edge—could be either genius as you say, or simple strategy to get the maximum attention (adding to the confusion is Rossi’s tendency to be overly optimistic). Most of the time, however, I conclude that the genius explanation fits better. But until I see his product on the market—which actually seems to be approaching now—I will always keep the door open to alternative storylines. I suppose that’s part of a journalist’s routine.

    • Bruce Williams

      Mats,I consider your reply to be a very intelligent observation, obviously based on a long-time exposure to Dr Rossi. This “chimes” with my own thoughts, having followed this saga (a well-known Nordic word I believe).


    • Axil Axil

      Bob Greenyer: “As I said a few times now – either Rossi does not know what is going on and got lucky, or he does, and he has repeatedly wasted good peoples time.”

      Bob is right, Rossi is clueless when it come to the theory behind LENR. How could Rossi have performed those thousands of experiments and be so wrong about how LENR works?

      Unless he means to mislead people who what to replicate his work.

      • LilyLover

        Embracing COG-theory is a brilliant chase-move. Am I being facetious?

      • Pekka Janhunen

        The theory part has only secondary importance to Rossi, but he kicks it forward if he sees opportunity and has time. I don’t understand what misleading has to do with it. Rossi is bright and brainy, but physics is not his forte, which he also readily admits.

      • causal observer

        Edison vs Einstein

      • Vinney

        Some of the patents Bob is talking about are reaching expiry, and many of the patent holders have done nothing to commercialise their IP.
        The courts will look at them likewise, little more than ‘Astroturfing’. Do you remember when Rossi filed an expired Piantelli patent before he started working with Focardi.
        They (Piantelli and Focardi) had reached a stalemate, they needed new ideas and talent in their team. They could not get results better than of ‘minor’ academic interest. Incidentally most teams are at the same point (their repeatable results). Some of the teams they worked with were extensive, but still didn’t match the multidisciplinary talents of Rossi and his team.
        Piantelli was still of the idea (his theory just before Rossi came to public knowledge) that LENR could be started in a solid block of nickel, we would have been waiting decades for high COP LENR.
        This little patent altercation didn’t stop Focardi working with Rossi and the rest is now history.

  • Dr. Mike

    If Rossi has invented a new alloy for electrical conductors, he will certainly have to evaluate the reliability of the integrity of electrical contacts to other conductors used in building the modules. A new alloy would not have any information available on possible degradation of the electrical contacts, which may be very important for high temperature operation.

    • Frank Acland

      Probably they were testing the alloy as well as everything else through the whole Sigma 5 test.

      • Dr. Mike

        I don’t believe that the Sigma 5 test employed enough devices with electrical connections similar to those which will be used in the modules to determine the long term reliability of electrical connections.

    • Omega Z

      Rossi invented the new alloy quite a while back when he 1st created the Quark. It has been used in the QX from the near beginning thus your concerns aren’t warranted.

      • Dr. Mike

        Electrical connections for test setups employing a few QX devices may be quite different from the module which contains 100 or more devices. Long term reliability of electrical connections should be on the list of things that must be verified before the first systems are sold.

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • Axil Axil

    This dialog is full of contradictions. First, the material that holds the plasma must be an insulator and we know it is transparent.

    Next, the wires taking power into the plasma electrodes must be a conductor and they are not transparent.

    Rossi’s answer about the wire alloy is simply “yes”. Rossi did not correct the assertion made by Colin Watters that all special materials that were invented are the same alloy.

    Is this dishonest, misleading, or a mistake?

    I wonder what Rossi would answer to this question: are all the invented materials the same material?

    • LilyLover

      Based on Dr. Rossi’s style, to me, it was obvious that the two distinct materials were invented.
      I.e. “are all the invented materials the same material?” has a solid NO as an answer.

      I do not understand why that was not abundantly clear to you.
      We are pretty much testing his patience. Partial answers are better than none. Even if he is being deliberate to create conditions conducive to conclusions that are erroneous, can he not have a little fun?

      • Axil Axil

        In other words, it’s his game and he sets the rules.

  • E-Cat World has another article on the Rossi catalyst on 2016/03/21 :
    Carbon, The Secret Catalyst (Jamie Sibley)

    • causal observer

      Great, they figured out how to make a new type of explosive…

  • sam

    February 7, 2018 at 4:56 AM
    Dear Andrea,

    In the demonstration of last November the “weak” point was the cooling system inside the power regulator for the reactor.

    I said “weak” meaning that most of the energy consumed by the power supply/regulator went for cooling. To my eyes, it is like to have a super-technological electric car with all the best instrumentation and driving assistance inside but powered by batteries large as a truck. it is like an electric Ferrari pluged to a truck on the back.
    I am following with enthusiasm your work and I really hope you reach all the targets you aim to. I need to ask a few questions:

    1) is there any better control system (less volume, less need for cooling)?
    2) if a better control system is available, why you did not show it at the presentation?

    3) if the control is difficult and no better controller is available, why the power of the reactor was limited at its 30% or so? In other words, why you did not show the full power of the reactor, then making the measurements of COP simpler. In fact, if the reactor would have been pushed at its 100%, the output power would have been much higher than the input power EVEN considering the enery wasted for cooling. In this case, also the measurements of the input could have been simpler. In asking this, I assume that the output power of the reactor is by far much higher as compared to the power adsorbed by the cooling system, that it could have been neglectable as respect to the power output of the reactor

    5) Following my considerations on the cooling system, it seems to me (I hope to be wrong) that QX, as presented, is not really ready for the industrialization. Therefore, as I assume you have a cleaver plan, I expect you did not show (on purpose) the best of the QX. Then my question: why not showing QX at its best (avoiding any scoop of course)?
    6) As the cooling is not needed for cooling the heat coming from the reactor, I assume the cooling is needed to cool some electronic components going to fry when high frequency pulses are given to the reactor. Could you prepare a different power supply with more passive dissipation of the heat? It seems to me that inside the power supply there must be some overheating similar to the processor working at high frequencies in the domestic personal computers. So, most of the times a fan is applied on the top of the processor for dissipation. However, for silent computers, there are passive dissipators. I do not think the frequencies I saw in the oscilloscope for the reactor were so high in frequency as compared to those inside a PC (a PCs goes easily to 1, 2 o 4 GHz), so I assume the passive cooling should work very well as the frequencies in the oscilloscope were not in the order of GHz for sure. I would appreciate some comments on the frequencies and the related heating showed on the oscilloscope at the demo.
    Thank you very much,
    Cari saluti,


    Andrea Rossi
    February 7, 2018 at 8:44 AM
    We have resolved in toto the issue of the overheating.
    We did not present it at the IVA because it was not yet resolved.
    Thank you for your insight and for your attention to our work,
    Warm Regards,