The E-Cat and Food Industry — Rossi Says Partnering with ‘US Global Company’

In comments on the Journal of Nuclear Physics over the last couple of days, Andrea Rossi seems to have confirmed that his first partner is in the food industry.

Here are some questions and answers on the subjects:

April 8, 2018 at 4:36 AM
Dr Andrea Rossi:
I think that the food industry is the one that mostly can take advantage of your technology, what do you think?

Andrea Rossi
April 8, 2018 at 8:06 AM
Yes, I think that the food industry will be among the most reactive , at least initially.
Warm Regards,

Frank Acland
April 9, 2018 at 9:41 PM
Dear Andrea,

I was interested your comment about the food industry being reactive to the E-Cat. It is a huge market that uses massive amounts of heat. Think of all the baking, boiling, heating, steaming, sterilizing, etc. that takes place in all kinds of food and drink processing plants.

Here is one example, a Frito Lay factory for making potato chips:

Interesting they use co-generation in their plants — their natural gas powered deep fryers also generate electricity so the whole plant is off grid.

What do you think about applying the heat of the E-Cat for plants like this?

Andrea Rossi
April 9, 2018 at 9:49 PM
Frank Acland:
I think there will be important developments in the food industry sector related to the Ecat. Their strong need of heat to process their products makes them the ideal match for the Ecat. So the Ecat will say, like a poet: ” M’illumino di mensa”.
Warm Regards,

Elliott Wilcher
April 10, 2018 at 3:45 AM
Dr Rossi:
It is clear after your answers of yesterday that you are partnering with an important company in the food business. Can you say where is it located?

Andrea Rossi
April 10, 2018 at 6:42 AM
Elliott Wilcher:
It is a US global company.
Warm Regards,

The food and drinks industry would seem to me to be a very good industry in which to deploy the E-Cat since so much energy is required to provide the massive amounts of heat that is required for all the baking, pasteurizing, boiling, steaming, sterilizing, drying, etc. that takes place in different types of food processing.

Rossi states above that he is partnering with a US global company, of which there are plenty within the food sector. If you are a food producer you are naturally going to want to cut your overhead costs, of which energy for heating is probably one of the most significant. I found it interesting in the video I linked mentioned above, that the Frito Lay plant in Killingly, Connecticut their deep fryers are powered by natural gas in a co-generation system which also provides all the electricity that the factory needs. If a food plant like this was on board with the E-Cat, I am sure they would be working to employ the E-Cat to provide not only their heat, but electricity also.

  • gdaigle

    That’s good news for my state, Minnesota. We have lots of corporate headquarters here of firms that do food and grain processing including, but not limited to:

    Buffalo Wild Wings
    Cub Foods
    General Mills
    Green Giant
    Land O’Lakes
    Midwest Supplies
    MOM Brands
    Schwan Food Company

  • causal observer

    Energy use in the food industry:

    Food Processing
    Food processing takes up an increasingly large share of the energy used in food production. In recent years, it has jumped from 11%-16% of the total amount of energy use in the food system Processing refers to the transformation of raw ingredients into a food product, such as the processing of raw corn into cereal. Food processing consumes 1,640 trillion BTUs of energy per year.

    • frank

      This is all nice but first let’s wait for the first commercial product. In order to save that much money you will need millions of Ecats in use, which we won’t see within the next years. And I do not expect Leonardo Corp to go public without having a product in the market that no one haven’t even seen, used or tested yet. So unfortunately we have to wait and see, instead of ordering products or buying shares….

      • LarryJ

        If Rossi’s ecat is all that we hope it is then the dissemination of it will be very fast. The first two factories will be proof of concept and they will be working models on which to base new factories. The only thing missing will be capital and Rossi has already said that as soon as he is in production he plans to go public to raise the necessary funds. The capital markets are awash with cash for bright new ideas and they don’t get much brighter than this, especially if there are customers already using mass produced products.There will be ecat factories springing up all over the industrialized world. Millions of ecats will not be a problem.

        • sam

          The smart phone will
          always amaze me.

    • Leonard Weinstein

      The saving quoted assumes no cost for the energy in the e-cat system. The quoted gas rate is about $0.03 per kW-hr of energy, so the e-cat energy has to be far less than $0.03 for any saving! If it came to $0.02 per kW-hr, the saving would be only 1/3 of the quoted, and a cost of $0.02 is a very low energy cost.

  • scottlshman


    If electricity could be generated using a LENR system then the generating plant could be in a safe and secure site and therefore the electricity could be sold directly to the national grid. The possibility that competitors could obtain a device and cheaply replicate such devices in a Far East low cost labour sweat shop would then be much reduced.


    • Jonnyb

      Here lies the problem, electricity production.

    • Vinney

      Much more feasible with the 10kw and 100kw modules in the reactor heating assembly, rather than the 1kw.
      The size of the subsequent 10MW and 100MW generation plant are going to be very small.
      I wonder if with the new higher temperatures we have eliminated the use of natural gas to reach the optimal temperatures of steam turbines.

    • gdaigle

      The spin‐Seebeck effect mediated thermoelectric energy conversion can provide an efficient alternative to traditional thermoelectrics for waste heat recovery. Now a giant Rashba spin‐Seebeck effect has been demonstrated with results showing generation of 100.3 μV per 160 × 10 μm2.

    • greggoble

      If a food processing plant uses energy off the grid for processing and some of that energy was created by the Nuclear Power Industry… maybe I’ve been eating some nuclear processed food all along! Maybe I’ve been driving a nuclear powered car… or drilling with a nuclear powered drill…

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • sam

    April 10, 2018 at 5:36 AM
    How are positioned now to start the sales within this year? Are the probabilities stable?

    Andrea Rossi
    April 10, 2018 at 6:39 AM
    Warm Regards,

  • kenko1

    I wonder if this food MFG company makes frozen french fries. If so,

  • Buck

    It looks like the US global food company is an early adopter . . . they are willing to do some testing when the Ecat Qx goes on sale.


    Frank Acland
    April 11, 2018 at 8:40 AM

    Dear Andrea,

    The US global food company you mention, have they verified for themselves the performance of the E-Cat QX, and are satisfied it could be useful to them?

    Many thanks,

    Frank Acland

    Andrea Rossi
    April 11, 2018 at 9:56 AM

    Frank Acland:

    This will happen when we will be ready to start the sales of the product ready for industrialization.

    Warm Regards,


  • George N

    There are two reports of Negative Mass being discovered, where if the negative mass is pushed, it moves towards the pusher; and when pulled, it moves away from the puller. Negative mass could eventually be used in faster than light warp drives, anti-gravity skateboards, tractor beams, and more powerful and compact lasers. But I guess because the discoveries are microscopic and at superfluid temperatures, this has not generated a lot of fanfare — I cannot see to much scientific enthusiastic interest as well, but the sources are credible:

  • gdaigle

    Daiya Foods is now owned by Japanese harmaceutical company Otsuka, though Cargill does trade in the cassava and arrowroot starches from which Daiya cheeses are made. I’m more impressed with the vegan “impossible burger” served at lots of places in the U.S. A bit overcooked at the Agra Culture restaurant where I had it, but very beef-like and tasty.

    • Thanks for setting me straight, Greg. I knew that they were owned by Cargill, at one point, but, I guess, not any more. I’m glad that you are open to trying vegetable burgers. Too many carnivores are not.

      By the way, are you still working with those Orbo Power Packs? If so, you might be able to get McCarthy to explain how they work, to you…or, maybe not. I suspect that he may be more open to telling you because he has, recently, said that he is, now, working on a different approach to an everlasting battery. Check out this article:

  • greggoble

    I enjoy Rossi advancement.

    Alway curious…

    A few questions.

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    Understanding the weak nuclear force?….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.1.181….0.P1POfVjA79Y

    Weak nuclear force and LENR energy systems?….0…1c.2.64.psy-ab..…0.FimkYlgLLsw

  • LarryJ

    You’re such a stick. Once proven and on the market the fun, the anticipation and the wonder will all be over like the day after xmas. Once this tech arrives people will treat it like another boring ho hum miracle like the smartphone and pretend it always existed. The journey is what I love. Knowing I saw it way before everybody and got to enjoy every minute of the roller-coaster ride to reality is the thrill for me. You refuse to suspend disbelief for even a minute, despite strong but not absolute evidence and miss out on it all for fear of disappointment. That’s a shame.

  • nietsnie

    “Large Processor Switches to Nuclear Heat For Food Production”

    “Campbell’s Soup: Now Glows In Dark!”

    There will be some uphill PR effort required here. The plan will not play out well in some sectors due to concerns about radiation. I’m surprised he picked food to go first.

    • Vinney

      For the temperatures food processing requires, the heat would be transferred via heat exchangers, one solution circulates the E-cat, another circuit (probably distilled water) is used in the food processing. This solution of distalled water has no contact with the reactor modules.
      Water does not transmit radiation, and is used as a radiation barrier in nuclear facilities. But particles in water can transmit radioactivity wherever they settle, including in the ground, ie: Fukushima.

      • nietsnie

        In addition LENR has far less radioactive emission (if any…).

        The facts don’t matter here. You and I have spent a lot of time thinking this over and reading. But, the public, who will not spend a lot of time, will hear, “nuclear” and “food” and make a snap judgement. Plus they won’t find out right away. They’ll realize they’ve been eating ‘nuclear food’ without even knowing it, without having the option, and they won’t be happy.

        They don’t like it when food is preserved by radiating it even though no radiation remains. They don’t like it when their plants are bio-engineered. When it comes up the food company will say, “Trust us – it’s OK”. But, the public will be dubious. They’ve been through that before (even if it is OK this time). Some may suggest that food resulting from a process that was heated by nuclear means be labeled in order that those who want to can avoid it for health reasons.

        It can be overcome, but it will require a lot of effort that could have been avoided by choosing some other industry to begin.

        • Omega Z

          The general public wont pay much attention and those who do will quickly move on to what the Kardashians or some other fake reality star is up to,

          When it was determined to radiate certain foods to kill certain bacteria, the people had forgotten it before the practice had even began. They suffer a serious case of ADD(Attention Deficit Disorder).

          • nietsnie

            There was a successful effort by those people to require foods in the US that have been irradiated to be labeled as such so that consumers whose opinion of its safety is different than the manufacturers or the FDA can choose to eat food that has not been. Same reason that stores can sell organic food for a premium and why there are strict rules as to what can be labeled ‘organic’.

            For a lot of people the answer to the question “Is irradiated food dangerous?” is “No-one knows yet” and so the safe thing to do is wait a few decades and see what happens to the guinee pigs (like me…) that ate it without knowing for sure. It’s much harder to prove that something new is safe than it is to prove that it is not. It is at least known that food that has been exposed to gamma, x-rays, or electron beams is chemically changed. Some people think they can taste it.


            But this is getting away from my point – which is that a portion of the population will choose not to be the guinee pigs in a new food process that involves radiation. It doesn’t matter whether it is ultimately proven to be baseless or not. This is especially the case with nuclear power.

          • Omega Z

            If irradiated ingredients are added to foods that have not been irradiated, no special labeling is required on retail packages.

            Such as I have a product that includes irradiated eggs or some other ingredient, No label required.

            As to LENR- Low Energy Nuclear Reaction. Just change the acronym.
            NMRI- Nuclear Magnetic Resonance Imager
            Became MRI- Magnetic Resonance Imager

            If the E-cat involves Magnetic Resonance, label it
            LEMR- Low Energy Magnetic Resonance.
            You can also use 1 of several labels/acronyms currently associated with this technology that doesn’t use the negative nuclear term. Or just educate people.

            People will also ignore certain details if the product has major benefits to them in their opinion. People are aware that microwaves, cell phones and WiFi give of radiations and are oblivious as to the difference of ionizing or non ionizing radiation. They just want what they want and expect the experts to look out for there safety. ???

            Anyway, this discussion is pretty pointless at this time. This technology will be used in industrial and power generation for sometime before the general public has access to it. The nuclear aspect will not delay this as there are many known uses of nuclear product used everywhere all the time in the world.

            Also, when available to the general public, I expect it to only be used for home heating. Generating electricity at the individual level will not be economical.

        • Vinney

          Part of the E-cat heat generation installation, and particularly for the food industry, that already has continuous sampling and testing for various bacteria, PPM contamination of various substances and heavy metals, and pathogens, will be continuous radiation monitoring (probably very near the reactor).
          Considering the separate circuits of heated fluids, I don’t think at this point the manufacturers are required to advice the public. But I agree, the FDA should legislate for continuous monitoring equipment to be installed whose data cannot be tampered, and can be monitored by the inspectors on a regular basis to begin with.
          If, as you say, the manufacturers have to declare use of the E-cat in food manufacturing, there will be a concentrated public education campaign, and as we know .the E-cat has been incident free for 10 years, with Rossi himself being the ‘live’ human testimony.
          This may be the contingency in ‘fast-tracking’ the 10kw and 100kw modules, so in case a ‘media’ backlash, the E-cat quickly moves to direct power generation, and locomotive applications (trains and cargo ships).

        • Karl Venter

          Their opposition will also not let you forget “Not produced by nuclear reaction:”

  • greggoble

    Thanks extended to a few of the folks at LENR forum who provided a couple of leads. I’ll be adding it to the United States Government LENR Energy 2018 review as Chapter 2…
    LENR at the NASA Glenn Research Center AEC Effort (alternative energy conversion)

    • greggoble

      Nov. 7, 2017 Aviation Renaissance: NASA Advances Concepts for Next-gen Aircraft

      Quote: Some of the key propulsion system advances the NASA Glenn team is pursuing converge in an aircraft concept study called STARC-ABL (single-aisle turboelectric aircraft with an aft [at the rear of the aircraft] boundary-layer propulsor).

      The STARC-ABL concept, developed by NASA’s Jim Felder and Jason Welstead, is under consideration as one of NASA’s future X-planes. It looks similar to the proven tube-and-wing aircraft you see every day. But, unlike those aircraft, a significant amount of electrical power, approximately three megawatts, is used for turboelectric propulsion, in addition to the electrical operation of subsystems like flight controls, avionics and de-icing. – end quotes

      Same person… James L. Felder

      Propulsion Systems Analysis Branch
      NASA Glenn Research Center
      Conceptual Design of a Single-Aisle Turboelectric Commercial Transport with

      Fuselage Boundary Layer Ingestion

      James Felder also conceptualizes LENR powered flight in the NASA SUGAR program. 2012 NASA/Boeing Publication (applied engineering) NASA Contract NNL08AA16B – NNL11AA00T “Subsonic Ultra Green Aircraft Research – Phase II N+4 Advanced Concept Development” Pg. 24 -Even though we do not know the specific cost of the LENR itself, we assumed a cost of jet fuel at $4/gallon and weight based aircraft cost. We were able to calculate cost per mile for the LENR equipped aircraft compared to a conventional aircraft (Figure 3.2). Looking at the plots, one could select a point where the projected cost per mile is 33% less than a conventionally powered aircraft (Heat engine > 1 HP/lb & LENR > 3.5 HP/lb).

      (editor note) The NASA Working Group Report also makes public the following list of organizations and individuals working on the advanced concept contract:

      Marty Bradley, Christopher Droney, Zachary Hoisington, Timothy Allen, Dwaine Cotes, Yueping Guo, Brian Foist, Blaine Rawdon, Sean Wakayama, Emily Dallara, Ed Kowalski, Joe Wa, Ismail Robbana, Sergey Barmichev, Larry Fink, Mithra Sankrithi, Edward White

      General Electric
      Kurt Murrow, Jeff Hammel, Srini Gowda

      Georgia Tech
      Michelle Kirby, Hongjun Ran, Teawoo Nam, Jimmy Tai, Chris Perullo

      Vermont Tech
      Joe Schetz, Rakesh Kapania

      Mark Guynn, Erik Olson, Gerald Brown, Larry Leavitt, Richard Wahls, Doug Wells, James Felder, Casey Burley, John Martin

      Federal Aviation Administration
      Rhett Jeffries, Christopher Sequiera also

      We also have Jim working on the 2014 NASA and Cal Tech Presentation (applied engineering) “Low Energy Nuclear Reaction Aircraft” NASA Aeronautics Research Mission Directorate (ARMD) 2014 Seedling Technical Seminar, February 19–27, 2014.
      California Polytechnic State University • Dr. Rob McDonald • Advanced Topics in Aircraft Design course (10wks) • Sponsored Research Project Team
      NASA Glenn Research Center • Jim Felder, Chris Snyder
      NASA Langley Research Center • Bill Fredericks, Roger Lepsch, John Martin, Mark Moore, Doug Wells, Joe Zawodny

      I think that NEAT at NASA Glenn Research Center is where we find the SUGAR concept and LENR flight concept coming together… the real deal!

      NASA Electric Aircraft Testbed (NEAT)
      Overview November 28, 2016

      Executive Summary

      As large airline companies compete to reduce emissions, fuel burn, noise, and maintenance costs, it is expected that more of their aircraft systems will shift from using turbofan propulsion, pneumatic bleed power, and hydraulic actuation, to instead using electrical motor propulsion, generator power, and electrical actuation. This requires new flight-weight and flight-efficient powertrain components, fault tolerant power management, and electromagnetic interference mitigation technologies. And NEAT is the first reconfigurable hybrid gas-electric propulsion testbed capable of supporting full-scale single-aisle electrified aircraft powertrain technology including:

       High fidelity turbo-generation and ducted fan transient emulation,
       Establishing baseline power quality and electromagnetic interference levels,
       Validating aircraft powertrain modeling tools
       Demonstrating single-aisle flight-weight powertrains
       Ground test research motors and inverters under flight altitude conditions at full power levels

      NASA Electric Aircraft Test bed (NEAT) Development
      Plan—Design, Fabrication, Installation
      Rodger W. Dyson
      Glenn Research Center, Cleveland, Ohio

    • greggoble

      2016 NASA GRC AEC PineScie LENR Patent

      “Methods and apparatus for enhanced nuclear reactions” US20170263337A1 STATEMENT OF FEDERAL RIGHTS This invention was made with government support under Contract No. NNC14CA16C (ed note: this is the 2017 research paper grant) awarded by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The Government has certain rights in the invention. Inventors: Vladimir Pines, Marianna Pines, Bruce Steinetz, Arnon Chait, Gustave Fralick, Robert Hendricks, Paul Westmeyer – Current Assignee: NASA Glenn Research Center, Pinesci Consulting – Priority date: 2016-03-09, Application: 2017-09-14.

      ed note: This patent citations include two patents “Method and apparatus for generating thermal energy” and “Methods of generating energetic particles using nanotubes and articles thereof” which have a classification: G21B3/00 Low temperature nuclear fusion reactors, e.g. alleged cold fusion reactors.

      USPTO Office Action Summary 4/8/18 at:

  • LarryJ

    Can I help with what I saw before everybody that convinces me. You did ask and of course I can.

    I saw the demo in late 2011. That reactor was rumoured sold to military interests.
    Andrea Rossi launched the first commercial E-Cat plant, a 1 MW thermal
    power plant in Bologna, Italy on October 28th, 2011 which was tested and certified as being acceptable by an agent for an unknown customer.
    Rossi stated that the customer is a military entity that does not want
    to be identified.
    The Ferarra Report done in Ferrara Italy between Nov 2012 and March 2013 by a credible group of physicists and funded by Elforsk.
    After two separate tests, each lasting several days in length, the
    team concluded that much more energy was being produced by the E-Cat
    than could possibly have been produced by a chemical reaction. The team
    did not speculate as to what was creating this unusual amount of energy.
    Where can I read the report?

    Here is a link to a PDF of the Report which is titled “Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device ”:

    The Lugano Report 2014

    On October 8th, 2014, a team of European academics released a report
    of their testing of an E-Cat device supplied to them by Industrial Heat,
    LLC which took place at Lugano, Switzerland. The report can be read in
    full at the following link:

    The one year test of the 1MW Industrial prototype reactor. This test reactor was run 24/7 for 1 year to ratify the sale of the ecat IP to Industrial Heat. The reactor was required to produce an average COP of 6 but according the Expert Responsible for Verification (ERV) the average COP over the year long test was 50 and he declared the test a success. IH defaulted on the contract, were sued by Leonardo and relinquished all rights to the ecat in an out of court settlement.

    The settlement agreement:

    The ERV’s report

  • Miles

    More deflection from Rossi. I wonder what the next topic of discussion will be.

  • Omega Z

    Rossi has said that the product will be about 80% automated.(Robotics).
    Funny thing about Robots. They cost about the same to operate no matter where they are located in the world. Human labor cost no longer apply.

  • sam

    April 12, 2018 at 1:19 AM
    Dear Andrea,
    Do you still think you will be able to start the sales of the industrialized Ecat or its energy by the end of this year?

    Andrea Rossi
    April 12, 2018 at 10:13 AM
    So far, we are inside the scheduled timing.
    Warm Regards,

  • nietsnie

    Or there were incidents and he covered them up.

  • Axil Axil

    Tesla relied on too many robots to build the Model 3, Elon Musk says

    Too much of a good thing sometime is not good

  • sam

    Abd ul-Rahman Lomax on the Cold Fusion Now! podcast

    • Alan DeAngelis

      Yes. Also takes about deuterium in helium out in palladium systems .

  • sam

    Gerald Belfort
    April 15, 2018 at 5:29 AM
    Dear Andrea:
    Do you suffer of anxiety in this difficult period and, if yes, how do you menage it?

    Andrea Rossi
    April 15, 2018 at 8:17 AM
    Gerald Belfort:
    Yes, I suffer of anxiety: time passes too fast and every hour I calculate if I am in time. Weeks seem to be days, months seem to be weeks, so fast they elapse. I am not managing it, just I have to stand anxiety. The work to do is huge.
    Warm Regards,

    • Bruce Williams

      Corragio amico Andrea, siamo qui per t’aiutare et sono convinto que tu vincera !! Bravo a te e bravo a Italia !

  • Buck

    The following exchange with Andrea begs the question: which global food companies are headquartered in Chicago?

    Better yet . . . which global companies are headquartered in Chicago?


    April 17, 2018 at 6:04 AM

    Dear Dr Andrea Rossi:

    Yesterday a friend of mine has spotted you at the airport of Chicago: was that person really you? Can I ask if your concern or partner is in Chicago?

    Andrea Rossi
    April 17, 2018 at 8:57 AM


    He,he,he…yes, I was in Chicago yesterday to sign a contract.

    Warm Regards,


    • sam

      I wonder why A.R. Thinks it is easy to pick which Company
      he is working with?

      • Buck

        I am guessing that things are beginning to pick up for Rossi.

        I don’t think it was lost on him on the incredible coincidence that he should be found and recognized at Chicago’s O’Hare airport on the day he happened to be signing a contract. Like he announced this morning, NDA’s are now part of his business with these industrial companies so he is now simply refusing to reply in the positive or negative.

      • cashmemorz

        If it can be narrowed down as easily as Rossi said and which I did, see my response to Buck above, on Wed., April 18 about 12 noon, then the company is:

        CF Industries Holdings Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
        Agricultural products

  • Buck

    Chicago’s Largest Public Companies:

    The 50 largest publicly traded companies are listed. For the full list, please see the Crain’s Chicago Book of Lists, available in the Office of Career Services.

    Walgreens Boots Alliance Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Drugstores, mail-order pharmaceuticals

    Boeing Co. (Chicago, IL)
    Aerospace, defense

    Archer Daniels Midland Co. (Chicago, IL)
    Agricultural products

    Caterpillar Inc. (Peoria, IL)
    Construction and mining machinery, heavy trucks

    United Continental Holdings Inc. (Chicago, IL)

    Allstate Corp. (Northbrook, IL)
    Property, casualty, and life insurance

    Exelon Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Electricity supplier

    Deere & Co. (Moline, IL)
    Construction and farm machinery, heavy trucks

    Kraft Heinz Co. (Chicago, IL)
    Food processing

    Mondelez International Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Snacks, beverages, packaged meals

    Abbvie Inc. (North Chicago, IL)
    Pharmaceuticals, medical products

    McDonald’s Corp. (Oak Brook, IL)
    Fast-food restaurants

    US Foods Holding Corp. (Rosemont, IL)
    Food distribution

    Sears Holdings Corp. (Hoffman Estates, IL)
    Department stores

    Abbott Laboratories (North Chicago, IL)
    Phamaceuticals, medical products

    CDW Corp. (Lincolnshire, IL)
    Computer hardware, software and accessories

    Illinois Tool Works Inc. (Glenview, IL)
    Industrial machinery

    Conagra Brands Inc. (Chicago, IL)
    Packaged foods

    Discover Financial Services (Riverwoods, IL)
    Credit card issuer

    Baxter International Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Medical products and services

    W.W. Grainger Inc. (Lake Forest, IL)
    Maintenance equipment and supplies

    CNA Financial Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Property and casualty insurance

    Tenneco Inc. (Lake Forest, IL)
    Auto parts and equipment

    LKQ Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Recycled auto parts

    Navistar International Corp. (Lisle, IL)
    Buses, commercial trucks, military vehicles

    Univar Inc. (Downers Grove, IL)
    Chemicals and allied products distributor

    Anixter International Inc. (Glenview, IL)
    Communications and specialty wire and cable products

    R.R. Donnelley & Sons Co. (Chicago, IL)
    Commercial printing

    Jones Lang LaSalle Inc. (Chicago, IL)
    Real estate management, development

    Dover Corp. (Downers Grove, IL)
    Manufacturing equipment

    Treehouse Foods, Inc. (Oak Brook, IL)
    Private label food processing

    Motorola Solutions Inc. (Schaumburg, IL)

    Ingredion Inc. (Westchester, IL)
    Food and ingredient processor

    Old Republic International Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Insurance holding company

    Packaging Corp. of America (Lake Forest, IL)
    Paper packaging

    Arthur J. Gallagher & Co. (Itasca, IL)
    Insurance Brokerage

    Essendant Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Office products supplier

    Northern Trust Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Commercial banks

    Telephone & Data Systems Inc. (Chicago, IL)
    Wireless telecommunication services

    Fortune Brands Home & Security Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Homebuilding materials

    ULTA Salon Cosmetics & Fragrance Inc. (Bolingbrook, IL)
    Beauty products retailer

    NiSource Inc. (Merrillville, IN)
    Natural gas utility

    Brunswick Corp. (Lake Forest, IL)
    Leisure products

    Hyatt Hotels Corp. (Chicago, IL)

    U.S. Cellular Corp. (Chicago, IL)
    Wireless telecommunications services

    Mead Johnson Nutrition Co. (Glenview, IL)
    Infant food products

    CF Industries Holdings Inc. (Deerfield, IL)
    Agricultural products

    LSC Communications Inc. (Chicago, IL)
    Print services

    CME Group Inc. (Chicago, IL)
    Security and commodity brokers

    Zebra Technologies Corp. (Lincolnshire, IL)
    Bar-code printers, related supplies

    • Buck

      Rossi’s response

      Andrea Rossi
      April 17, 2018 at 12:34 PM


      The name is global, but I cannot answer in positive or in negative, because I am under NDA. Obviously with a series of lists, by exclusion, it would be easy to individuate the name.

      Warm Regards,


    • cashmemorz

      Archer Daniels Midland Co./Agricultural products, Kraft Heinz Co./Food processing, Mondelez International Inc./Snacks, beverages, packaged meals, McDonald’s Corp./Fast-food restaurants, Conagra Brands Inc./Packaged foods, Treehouse Foods Inc./Private label food processing, Ingredion Inc./Food and ingredient processor, Mead Johnson Nutrition Co./Infant food products, CF Industries Holdings Inc./Agricultural products.

      These are into food stuffs in one way or another.

      The most likely to use a novel and potenttially dangerous or questionable method to heat food would be those concerned with their own sourced edibles, to avoid potential problems with third party food contamination. Also off the list are childrens or enfant foods to avoid porential problems there.

      That would leave:

      Archer Daniels Midland Co./Agricultural products,
      Kraft Heinz Co./Food processing,
      Mondelez International Inc./Snacks, beverages, packaged meals,
      Conagra Brands Inc./Packaged foods,
      CF Industries Holdings Inc./Agricultural products,

      as those who might get into risky activity.

      Then a study of these most likey to need a lot of cheap heat, their business practices to show who is the greatest risk taker and who might gain the mostby using LENR. The actual one could be just based on who Rossi’s contacts had the most luck in convincing. Agricultural product sounds like something close to animal feeds, and raw farm produce. The reamining are into known people food. That leaves:

      Archer Daniels Midland Co./Agricultural products,
      CF Industries Holdings Inc./Agricultural products

      Raw products are the least costly to try novel experiments on. These are the safest to try an unknown process with minimal problems to be dealt with if anything goes wrong.

      Archer Daniels Midland Co. deals with harvested farm producrs.

      CF Industries Holdings Inc./Agricultural products. deals with fertilizer, even further removed from direct consumer products. Fertilizer is a chemical that is not a food stuff, but a chemical that is used in the ground, similar to how solids from processed sewage is used as a fertilizer, although a potentially hazardous type of fertilizer, on farm land. This is more in line with what is a very low risk use of a potentially risky process, such as LENR. The end product never gets into the food stream. At least not as directly as using any of the other food processes or products of the other companies on the original list. If anything goes wrong, in the use of LENR, food is never a concern here. At worst, all that would end up is a pile of badly made fertilizer. If anything goes extremely badly, the product can be just burned, similar to fireworks. If radiation is ever a problem, there are ways to deal with that. However, it is only the heat from the LENR device that will be used, even in the processes of making fertilizer. So the ingredients that LENR would ever get into the process is by the indirect route of a heat exchanger before the processes required for making fertilizer ever get close to the LENR device. This kind of customer would be more equiped to deal with any problems in a lowest risk way of dealing with LENR, all of the others.

      If I were Rossi and wanted a lowest risk use of his device in, what he claims is a food industry process(sort of), and needs lots of heat, as fertilizer does, to be made from other ingredients(natural gas and water), this would be the safest bet.

      Look at costs of fertilizer to come down in the next year or two, as sourced from CF Industries Holdings Inc. If the costs do not come down, then the dividends from this company will go up.

      • Buck

        Good perspective . . . and also a excellent example of why an advisor likely prompted Rossi to go down the path of NDA and “neither confirm nor deny”.

  • kasom

    I’d prefer Heinz Kraft because McDonald’s need for heat is too much distributed in thousands of local restaurants and not centralised in any way.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Coca-Cola is the biggest food/beverage company operating in Florida,
    where their Minute-Maid orange juice division requires pasteurization.
    ADM (Archer Daniel Midlands) is Chicago’s largest food company, which
    processes and dries a lot of grain and seeds. ADM is also big in ethanol
    production, which would likely take a big hit from E-Cat. A stake in E-Cat
    would provide an excellent hedge against an ethanol downturn.

  • Buck

    there is a missing accent on the “o” in illumino. So google, with the accent now shows a translation of “he enlightened me at the table”

    • Emilio

      He, Ungaretti, was there in the mountains in ww1. Blood, fear, mud. But that was such a gorgeus morning that He felt like He was enlightened by the entire universe (immense, if exists)

      M’illumino d’immenso

  • Jas

    Lets look at this from another angle. Perhaps there is a company in Chicago that provide field rations for US troops? The Quark X is minute and extremely low cost for the military budgets. It could be incorporated into a ready meal that can be cooked out in the arena of battle,without the need for portable cooking equipment, and disposed of after. What better boost to morale than hot food in a soldiers stomach whilst out on patrol in hostile enviroments. Does this sound crazy? Tell me if this is far fetched.