New Energy Developments: Concepts and Conceptual Generator (Guest post)

The following has been submitted by E-Cat World reader Gordon Docherty and has been submitted as a first draft for encouraging cross fertilization of ideas.

Over the last two years, it is hard to deny that there has been much activity in the field of, what I term loosely here, “New Energy Developments”, developments that seek new ways of providing energy other than through the use of traditional fossil fuels, fission reactors, and often wind/wave/solar farms. A quick trawl of the Internet quickly reveals there are many approaches being taken:

At the lower end:

  • MIT’s NANOR device (yes, that MIT) that has continued to pour out excess energy for over six months – and it is tiny

In the middle there is:

  • Brillouin energy, working together with (the) SRI to develop commercial wet and dry boiler systems – their technology has been replicated by Los-Alamos National Laboratory)
  • Blacklight Power, who have a system, based on a process they call Catalyst-Induced-Hydrino-Transition (or CIHT) that has been solidly validated by leading experts from MIT, CalTech and Rowan University, that produces electricity from the conversion of water vapour (as feedstock) to a new form of Hydrogen, with no less than six studies by academic and industry experts validating this breakthrough non-polluting energy source based on Blacklight Power’s Hydrino theory.

At the very top-end (energy-wise) there is:

  • Rossi’s e-cat, now reportedly working at a COP of 6 and at 1200 degrees Centigrade and in a form suitable to work even with Stirling engines and highly efficient turbines making use of the Carnot Cycle: the forth-coming event in Zurich on September 8th 2012 is expected to reveal more…
  • NanoSpire Inc., now producing cavitation zero point energy and fusion systems capable of easily scaling up to provide large scale production of hot water that not only create energy, but do so by what they have dubbed the LeClair Effect, an intense “bow wave” effect that triggers fusion, fission and large scale elemental transmutation – starting from water, they can produce elements all the way up the periodic table (for those worried about this last technology, it produces nothing that governments don’t already have access to, and would be an effective way to produce rarer elements, including Gold, Diamond (Carbon), Neodymium, without the need to demolish half a mountain or burn down a forest, so potentially having the added benefit of alleviating elemental scarcity – and the conflicts that result).

These technologies and approaches are all very interesting (and viable) in their own right. There also appear to be certain commonalities underlying these approaches. So, with this in mind, I started to think about whether a “conceptual generator” could be developed based on these (demonstrated) effects to provide a means by which the differing approaches could be considered, compared and contrasted, a “Rosetta Stone” for facilitating discussion and the sharing of ideas between each approach. The result is a document (below) that briefly considers these underlying effects and presents the first rough-draft design of this “conceptual generator”. It is my hope that this document be freely used to stimulate discussion and so some useful ideas for new experiments and developments in the field of “New Energy Developments”

New Energy Developments – Concepts and Conceptual Generator (2)

  • daniel maris

    Thanks to Gordon Docherty!

    Well this is certainly helping bring into focus ideas of which I am dimly aware.

    I think certainly that this presentation helps explain why replication is not easy and why progress has been slow but nevertheless productive.

    One small point: “principle” is misspelt “principal” at several points – Gordon might want to change that.

    • Yes, this is a terrific synthesis of many important ideas that will impact us for the next several centuries. Thank you, Gordon!

      BTW, in addition to the “principal-principle” problem, you have closed a parenthesis much too early to make sense, and you need to either remove a word or add one to make this a coherent sentence:

      This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds.

      I think the best approach is: “This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed – bulldozed in front of the bow shock. The only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds.”

      Your phrase, “hydrinoions,” should probably be hydrino ions; and you seem to randomly capitalize the word hydrogen; also, it is not necessary to capitalize the word “hydrino.” Scientists are rarely the best of editors and grammarians!

      Thank you, Gordon Docherty, for an amazing piece of work!

      • Joe,

        You are close. Instead of a supernova it is a “Bosenova” triggered from the collapse of matter at the center . This has been triggered many times recently in labs.

        I mention them in my blog.


      • Gordon Docherty

        Dear Joe,

        OK, I’ve updated the spelling. AS to “This is implied by the heavy element transmutation observed bull-dozed in front of the bow shock, the only way these heavy elements are known to form in nature is either from stellar core collapse or supernova explosions, both occurring at relativistic speeds.”, this is part of a direct quote from Nanospire’s website, so it is as it is…

        Thanks for the updates and glad you enjoyed it. The more the merrier!

        Gordon Docherty

      • Job001

        Several factors indicate that the assumed necessity of relativistic speeds is incorrect. First, periodic lattice organization may provide inherent or dynamic charge shielding. Second, charge movement is potentially highly directional rather than random as in plasma or gases. Third, coulomb barriers in lattice maybe statistically reduced by tunneling equivalent phenomena.
        Given these factors, standard physics gas or plasma assumptions appear lattice inappropriate.
        It is not unusual for standard assumptions to be inappropriate, a similar heartburn occurred when tunneling and many other discoveries (solar centric, black holes, flight, relativity, viruses, etc.) were made.

  • dsm

    This is a very good read. Nice work !. Thanks.


  • Stefan Flueler, Zurich

    @Gordon Docherty – Could you provide us with a direct link to your paper (not Scriptd) ?
    On Scriptd, one can only download it, via a Facebook account, and I don’t have such an account (and never will have one).

    • Omega Z

      Stefan Flueler

      You can do a copy paste right here.
      Just did a small test with word pad.

  • Although (based on still largely circumstantial but manyfold evidence) I consider nickel hydrogen anomalous heating to be true and although Casimir force is known to exist, I don’t see how it would be possible to extract macroscopic energy out of the Casimir force. I appears to me that it is equally impossible than to extract energy from Earth’s gravity field without falling, for example. Work (energy) is force times displacement, if the latter is zero then so is energy. The Casimir force is only a name given to one part of the electric interaction between small assemblages of charged particles. I read this story with strong suspicion.

    • Pekka, I think Docherty’s suggestions are just a ‘first draft’, designed to define the basic observations and put forward some very tentative ideas as a starting point for consideration. His intention appears to be to try to engage scientists like yourself, in the hope that they can propose new and better explanations for the various currently unexplained phenomena that he is attempting to bring together in one place (on the assumption that they are probably all related).

      • Gordon Docherty

        Dear Peter,

        spot on! I believe we will soon be transitioning from a period of “is it possible?” to “what else is possible?” It is my hope that this “first draft” can encourage the transition along…

        Gordon Docherty 🙂

        • Gordon, it’s a very useful initiative, and I hope you succeed in engaging some of the less hidebound physicists, electrochemists and mathematicians in the discussion – even if they have to contribute anonymously for ‘career’ reasons, at least for the time being.

    • Gordon Docherty

      Dear Pekka,

      it may well be that the reduced vacuum energy in Casimir cavities allows for the electron(s) around the hydrogen nucleus to fall into a new, lower ground state, so providing energy out. If it helps, I imagine an electron around a nucleus to be like a net around a ball, where the ball is trying to pull the net closer in, but there is energy in the holes in the net that stop it contracting any further. By reducing that energy, the net can eventually contract some more. In other words, the nucleus is a “wrapped up” ball, surrounded by an “electron-as-a-net” curved around the nucleus – a freee electron is an electron that has “opened up” into a 2-dimensional circular web (with a central core) that is ready to “curl around” another nucleus. I know imagery is rather “rough-and-ready”, but it works for me…

      Gordon Docherty

  • alexvs

    We thank Mr. Gordon Docherty for his effort.
    He has pointed some not fully explained effects which are worth of ulterior research. If such effects can be combined in additive way is nevertheless dubious.
    We will point another curious circumstance, i.e. the (relative) ability of alpha particles to drive into (light elements) and from (heavy elements, alpha decay) atomic nucleus. To think of.

  • barty

    Brillouin Energy of Berkeley, California has been granted a patent for their hot-water boiler technology in China.
    The Chinese patent is a huge breakthrough for commercial development of this ultra-clean energy technology. Any duplicate technologies released in the United States would force the USPTO to grant the Brillouin patent, and compel the other company to negotiate with the Brillouin Energy Corporation. This would necessitate a break in the long-standing Department of Energy (DoE) policy that refuses to acknowledge the existence of cold fusion, also called low-energy nuclear reactions (LENR), lattice-assisted nuclear reactions (LANR), and quantum fusion, and which influences USPTO policy.

    • Thanks for bringing this very important development to the attention of this forum, Barty. Now the corporate-controlled ‘West’ can sit back and watch as China takes full advantage of this technology, or finally get its head out of its ar$e. As Brillouin have submitted identical patents in the US and EU, and maybe elsewhere – it will be fascinating to watch what happens next. Failure to do anything about the corruption of the USPTO and other patent offices by commercial interests and covert government agendas will be economically disastrous.

    • Offhand it looks like Brillouin’s hot tube boiler design may have followed almost the same route that Rossi/Leonardo is taking with the hot cats, but looks to be a couple of years ahead of Rossi, unless it is still purely conceptual. If they have a level of control of the reaction comparable to that which Rossi is claiming, and can reach similar temperatures, they would currently seem to be leading the field. All big ‘ifs’ though, for the time being.

      • Omega Z


        I think their dry core is still in concept or early development.
        The Dry core is what SRI is supposed to help them scale up.

        • Yes, that is likely, although they do seem to have taken their design concept a lot further forward. Really it all depends on what degree of control they have relative to Rossi I suppose. Possibly they can’t yet reach Rossi’s claimed temps, but Rossi is obviously still groping towards a vertical boiler design that may well end up looking like Brillouin’s! The Brillouin patent, albeit in China only at the moment, must be something of a shock to Rossi I suspect.

          • georgehants

            Peter is this it, I have already had half a bottle or red but will start on the bubbly if appropriate.

          • George, these days we would be three sheets to the wind most of the time, if we were celebrating each and every new development!

          • georgehants

            What a Wonderful excuse though for a glass.
            Maybe Rossi’s conference will now show something good to keep up.

    • Steve B

      The statement “Any duplicate technologies released in the United States would force the USPTO to grant the Brillouin patent” is nonsense.
      The USPTO and EPO will examine independently and may grant or reject patent applications.

  • LENR4you

    eCat has now been certified!

    “This sensational new invention of Andrea Rossi has now been certified after 20 years of research conducted by SGS and is now ready for the market”

    “At SGS, we provide independent services that touch the lives of millions of people across the globe. We provide you with industry leading inspection, verification, testing and certification services – anywhere in the world.”

    Interesting news!


    • Ivan Mohorovicic

      Interesting. Is SGS a well-known, reputable company?

      I’ve never read about it before and I doubt most skeptics did either (possible room for criticism?).

    • LENR4you

      Country Head Office Switzerland:
      SGS S.A.
      Technoparkstrasse 1

      At the same site where the Congress on Saturday 8 September and Sunday 9 September 2012 Technopark Zurich, Technoparkstr. 1, CH 8005 Zurich, Auditorium takes place.


    • Renzo

      So this is the third party tester? Excellent, after the conference this will give even the most hard pseudo-skeptics pause for thought 🙂

    • “…has now been certified after 20 years of research conducted by SGS…”

      20 years? Do they mean 20 months? And what exactly has been ‘certified’, and to which national or international standards – boiler and pipes?, electronic/electrical control systems?, low temperature LENR in general?, operator health and safety? all of the above? I think we need some more info asap. Can’t wait for the conference.

      • Reading more carefully, I think that as Renzo says, in this case ‘certified’ simply means that a 3rd party has documented excess heat, and no safety certificates (as required for actual sales) are involved as such. (Although “and is now ready for the market” seems to imply more.) I’m still mystified by the 20 years bit – perhaps 20 weeks of excess heat output?

        • admin

          German speakers needed. It could be Google getting things messed up. Maybe it implies that Rossi has been working on the tech for 20 years.

          • Gordon Docherty

            Deutsch: nach 20-jähriger Forschungsarbeit
            English: after 20 years research work

            So, it is talking about AR working for 20 years in research, not that the e-cat is 20 years old.

            Gordon Docherty 🙂
            (lived and worked in Munich for several years)

        • Renzo

          reading their website I found they make CE certifications among many other things and Rossi said the test was done for the process of CE certification. This time all fits into place!

          A thorough third party calorimetry test performed by SGS engineers is just the kind of validation we have been waiting for 🙂

          • In that case, maybe it’s indeed a real CE certification for the industrial units, as Rossi has said since a few months that the industrial units have already been certified.

          • tappanjack

            CE certification:
            Existing in its present form since 1993, the CE marking is a key indicator of a product’s compliance with EU legislation and enables the free movement of products within the European market. By affixing the CE marking on a product, a manufacturer is declaring, at their sole responsibility, conformity with all of the legal requirements to achieve CE marking and therefore ensuring validity for that product to be sold throughout the European Economic Area. This also applies to products made in third countries which are sold in the EEA

          • Two of those ‘legal requirements’ being that the product has been subjected to, and meets, all applicable EU safety standards and has the necessary certificates to prove it, and also that it conforms to all applicable EU directives.

      • The original ( “Diese sensationell neue Erfindung von Andrea Rossi wurde nun nach 20-jähriger Forschungsarbeit von SGS zertifiziert und ist nun marktreif.”

        I.e., “This sensational new invention by Andrea Rossi was now, after 20 years long research work, certified by SGS and is now ready for the market.”

        I think Rossi has said that he started to study it soon after F&P, so it indeed means 20 years. “Certified” probably does not refer to a legal certification for selling the home units (i.e. the one Rossi is waiting for), but that some version of the device was tested by SGS and was found to work. (Addendum: I wrote this before seeing Renzo’s, Peter’s new comments, but largely we seem to agree…)

        • Thanks for the much clearer translation about the 20 years. It does seem that ‘certified’ should perhaps read ‘validated’ or ‘confirmed’.

    • cx

      Any other sources for news preferably from sgs. Any one try contact sgs to confirm.

  • GreenWin

    Gordon, could you format a PDF or Word doc for easier use? Thanks!!

    • Gordon Docherty

      you just need to click on the Download link to get the PDF. One point worth mentioning is that the “machine” outlined in this first draft would work on an initial filling of the chamber / heating of the block, then a continual cycle of pulsed pressurization / gas/water phonon pulse / water jet (from below) / lattice phonon pulse / depressurization – a sort of “five stroke” machine whose output (heat), in part is used to keep the system active. This may require additional “pipes” running through the metal block (depending on size, otherwise, simply tap the heat from the block and surrounding gas/fluid using a jacket)

      Gordon Docherty

  • Gordon Docherty

    I was reading up on dissociation of Hydrogen molecules to atoms.

    Apparently “Hydrogen molecules dissociate to atoms endothermically at high temperatures (heat of dissociation about 103 cal/gram mole) in an electric arc, or by irradiation.” “… the hydrogen atoms recombine at the metal surface to provide heat required for welding.” whereas “Langmuir-measured heat-energy release from Atomic Hydrogen (mono-atomic) (H1) when recombining on the surface of tungsten electrodes” released “approx. 109,000 calories/gram mole.” without the hydrogen being consumed…

    ( with more interesting info at its parent )