New Data to be Reported at Pordenone Meeting

I have been trying to find out more about what is going to be the subject of the October 12 meeting at the Polo Technologica in Purdenone, Italy. Andrea Rossi mentioned on his Journal of Nuclear Physics site that he would not be demonstrating his technology (I didn’t expect he would), but he would be presenting reports.

I emailed Rossi asking what might be subject of these reports might be, and he said that the only new part will be results of recent hot cat tests. So it sounds like that some of the same information presented in Zurich might be repeated. I notice that Rossi has only half an hour on the program, so I expect that he won’t go into too much detail. He took about three hours in Zurich to cover the report there.

I have been told by Rossi that I would receive a copy of the new information he will be presenting, but not sure when that will be. If any E-Cat World readers will be at this meeting, I am sure that everyone here would be interested in any reports that can be sent here, and would be grateful to hear any news. We’re always hungry for new E-Cat News!

  • georgehants

    The Defkalion site has had no comments for a week.
    I put a very simple question yesterday asking for their timetable of events.
    It was not published, just a little strange I think.

    • I’ve seen your comment…
      maybe moderator is busy, and still in europe TZ.

  • I would like to see some photos of the new Hot Cat prototypes at Purdenone.

  • georgehants

    The E-Cat could have a large economic effect therefore I believe it is a valid topic.
    I have tried and failed miserably to put across that a new system is required in the World for everybody to have the basics of existence guaranteed and for those willing to put in effort for society to be rewarded pro-rata.
    This involves the complete abandonment of money (except as a means of utility, probably points) and finance of any kind.
    That everything is based on production and manpower only.

    I am happy to discuss this system, only if we are discussing the overall major system and not every minor effect, they are infinite and only to be addressed if such a system where to be implemented.
    That no discussion involves present economics.
    That no discussion involves communism or capitalism but just a new independent system I am suggesting.

    • Ivan_cev

      I though about a money less word in the past, no motivation for crime, not police, not lawyers, not tax office, no banks, financial advisers, wall St, etc, etc, the percentage of people who actually produce is very small maybe 5% the rest are just parasites. All administered by computers…. maybe the day when we will be pets of them. But mean while there is one lawyer in the word this will be impossible.

    • AstralProjectee

      I’m curious. Tell me more.

      • georgehants

        Astral I have just put this comment up on forums but will leave here to see if any others wish to discuss.
        On this subject have to keep the string to avoid repetition so will transfer to forums as well.
        —-
        First, how many people would need to work in the U.K. to maintain the approximate present level of living, excluding all jobs involving money, finance, tax, vat, insurance, etc. etc. just no job that is not directly concerned with production or services to the population.

        • georgehants

          I have asked this question on the Economist Adam Smith and other financial sites and never yet had a sensible answer.
          If anybody can come up with a rough estimate I would appreciate.
          Anyway it can be counted in millions.
          With a system with no finance you would agree that all these people are now out of work but because the productivity has not changed there is no need for them to work.

          • Omega Z

            George

            Aside from our system being totally out of whack, the VERY First thing we need to do is eliminate the throw away mentality of society. We’re in a continuous cycle of replacing what we have. As long as your constantly replacing things you never get ahead. And there will never be enough to go around.

            And that’s basically what your talking about. Accumulating enough so that everyone eventually has enough.

            Example: We can’t afford to build new roads, because were spending everything we have to maintain or replace the old.

            Presently if you took all the worlds income & distributed it equally, it would come out to about $8500 per person. That’s 60 Trillion divided by 7 Billion people.

            Basically we need to produce much more, But it would be a lot easier if we weren’t constantly throwing away what we built yesterday.

          • georgehants

            Omega Z, I agree, that is why I am trying to start from the beginning again.
            Lots of things wrong but can you see the point I am trying to make above.
            Big subject, one little point at a time I think.

          • Andrew Macleod

            I agree with you George, there must be a better way to do things. I don’t think that money or lack of is the problem… It’s the symptom. Money is just a common bartering tool, you would be replacing one bartering tool for another. The main problem is intrest. Life would be better for all if the maximum allowed intrest was 5% instead of 28% albeit it would be much harder to get a loan but that’s not bad either it would force people to live within their means.

          • atanguy

            “maximum allowed intrest was 5%”
            Why not 0% ?
            No interest= No money made with money= No capital = No capitalisme…

          • note that it is the law in france (probably in europe) to limit interest rate to avoid abusive rates and thus abusive risk (in French: “taux de l’usure”, “usure” meaning abusive loan)
            some says that it would have forbidden some dangerous private loan…

            note that if you limit rate you can allow dividend and sharing benefits.
            that is the essence of capitalism, not the rate.

            if you read “the next convergence” book, you can understand that the bad situation in economy is capitalism with no growth, leading to monopolies and abuse of position and economic rents.

            in high growth, even when you are rich, you can be surpassed by poor smar guys that get in the good revolution…
            inequalities grows but not because of family, just because of talent and luck…
            job of regulation is to allow equal chances, forbide economic rent and monopolies, help growth in undevelopped zone, until all is developped, then organize some redistribution, during lifetime, and between generations… just to avoid misallocation of capital and social tension that are against efficient economy.

          • Robert Mockan

            Self repairing general purpose robots to run the physical economy could provide goods for maintaining a high standard of living for every living person. Not maybe, this can happen. The technology to do this should be developed enough within the next 20 years. The only reason it might not happen is the technology is prevented from being developed, or if developed, will be prevented from being utilized.

            I suspect any more delay in realizing that future may be attributed to the same causes as the delay in realizing LENR development.

      • AstralProjectee,

        Georgehants’ enthusiasm for waking up the sheeple is commendable, but don’t encourage him 🙂

        Le’ts keep to the topic raised by Frank (E-Cat World)

        • Ivone Martin FitzGerald

          Yes, let’s keep to Cold Fusion, and incidentially, the throw away concept of material economy is in fact a good one for technological advancement and advances in computation. As a general rule you will need to replace a laptop every two years. Your biological body is replaced every three years, and if Cold Fusion proves to be an information technology, the reactors will need to be replaced every three years. But…keep to Cold Fusion!

          • I thought the Zeitgeist Movement was a good idea when I first heard about it 😉 I think it was about the same time that Andrea Rossi did his first public demonstration. Gee, how time flies!

    • Whether abandoning money would work or be beneficial, I don’t know. But I do know that it’s a useful exercise which economists should practice much more to look at economy without looking at money at the same time. That is, to look at the flux of materials, food, energy, individuals and on the physical activities that people do, much like one observes a nest of ants from a distance. At each activity one asks the question how does it contribute to the shorter or longer term well-being of the nest (mankind). In other words, to think how our activities would appear to an outside observer who doesn’t know our language and culture and can only observe our physical doings.

      George by the way, they didn’t delete your message at Defkalion since it’s there.

      • georgehants

        Pekka, have moved your comment to forums, hope you don’t mind, better place for it, I think.
        Ahhh, yes I see it, wait for answer now.

    • Fibber McGourlick

      Georgehants, can I have your money when you abandon it?

  • Chris

    Well, so many comments in previous threads are still awaiting moderation so I’ll repeat this here because it is quite relevant, about Pordenone:

    Neither Sabatini nor Majorana will be present.

    This I was told in reply to an email in which I asked the organization for further details. The reason given is that they “are prevented from it due to other commitments” (very loose translation but the concept is this).

    • Ged

      Too bad about Majorana. Hopefully they will have someone to replace him. Just two of the many people though. I wonder how much they can fit in a three hour conference.

      Will they be writing Rossi’s obituary, or giving him a wave of support? I suppose that will all be determined by what exactly he can show in half an hour, and what the faculty individual (and others) brings to the table, if indeed he’s working on the independent university testing of the hot cat. Rossi’s done well so far, but I hope he’s stepped up his game in preparation for this.

  • Max S

    from facebook: posted by Giuliano Bettini
    “Cryptic messages on Cobraf.
    Seem to annouce:
    no “happy ending” of the story for October 12 (Pordenone).
    Everything is postponed to the end of November.”

    I refrain from further comments at this point in time.

    • admin

      I think that’s a reference to the big University report that people have been expecting, and Rossi hinted might be ready by the time of the Oct. 12 meeting.

      I think Rossi will be presenting his own data at Pordenone — not 3rd party. Just my guess.

      • Ged

        Shoot. That university person made it seems we might get that set of results. Be interesting to see what he has to say.

        Rossi better be careful here — crashing and burning is a vivid possibility.

    • captain

      On Oct.12 only 2 people missing, but Leonardo’s guys with CEO Rossi will be present.
      Thus IMHO an happy ending is expected 🙂

  • GreenWin

    Could the forces of “evil” be winning? Corrupting tests, data, spreading rumors and lies? Perhaps the human race is simply not worth salvation and should remain in shadows of (science) ignorance forever. The “wonderful works” of only a few weeks past, seem no longer wondrous.

    “Evil” has ruled mortals these last 2,000 years. But, there is always the tiny light of transition available! The release from the material to pure consciousness, unburdened by mortal cares. A friend used to insist: We are all just spirits in a human suit, on a field trip. We live again when the field trip is gratefully over.

    • AstralProjectee

      Nice words of wisdom GreenWin. Our multiverse is much bigger than what we realize.

    • Frank

      ‘Could the forces of “evil” be winning? ‘

      If you mean by evil forces the ‘nasty’ coulomb barrier, then I have to agree this one time to you.