Industrial Heat's Acquisition of E-Cat is Major Endorsement of Rossi, Boost for LENR

Today’s announcement by Industrial Heat, LLC of its acquisition of the rights to Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat technology is one of the most important milestones in the whole LENR story to date, in my opinion. We now have a company founded by serious and experienced professionals (JT Vaughn and Tom Darden, both of Cherokee Ivestment Partners) who have put serious money behind Andrea Rossi’s invention, and who have come out publicly in favor of it.

For years Andrea Rossi’s claims have been dealt harshly with by critics and skeptics who seem to have had a lot of sway over public opinion, and the E-Cat has not been taken seriously by most opinion-makers in science or the media. I believe that today’s announcement will be the beginning of a change in the way people view the E-Cat. I don’t expects skeptics to back off right away, but in time I think their objections will become less and less credible, and their influence will significantly diminish.

It should be noted that in today’s press release, Industrial Heat cites not only the Levi report published last year as being the means of validating the technology and convincing them to make the E-Cat acquisition; they also mention that “in addition, performance validation tests were conducted in the presence of IH personnel and certified by an independent expert.”

I see no credible reason for Messrs Vaughn, Darden, and other investors to take this step, other than the fact that they know the technology is real and that it works at acceptable industrial levels of performance. These people will certainly have been aware of the controversial nature of this technology, and would surely not have taken this step lightly, knowing that investing in something fraudulent could severely damage their reputations and thus their current business interests. They will most certainly have consulted qualified experts to double check everything regarding Rossi’s technology before making the purchase.

Then, there was the important announcement made by Rossi last summer about how his partner had been able to make an E-Cat from scratch in their factory, without his help, and it worked just as well as those that he made. This must have been a very significant moment for all involved.

My guess is that today’s announcements will send ripples all around the world. There are informed people all over the world who have been paying attention to the E-Cat, and this vote of confidence by Industrial Heat, LLC, to step out of the shadows and publicly endorse the technology will not go unnoticed by smart and serious observers. And this press release will have done more than convince people of the E-Cat is real. It has shown that the field of LENR is a legitimate area of research and development. There will surely be people who realize that if Andrea Rossi can make something like the E-Cat, then others can too. Once a discovery this important has been confirmed, then ambitious and curious people will be trying to equal and surpass Rossi’s achievement.

I think this is a very big day for Andrea Rossi — but it could turn out to be a bigger day for LENR in general.

  • Buck

    Amen.

  • Daniel Maris

    Excellent article Frank. Can’t say I disagree with a single word.

  • Christina

    Me too!
    AMEN.

    • Christina

      Okay, it should have been “Me neither.” Sorry.

      I am so excited to think that food, shelter, and comfort are within our grasp for the Third World. Pray so that it all works out as God wills it to work out so that lenr is not used in a way detrimental to people everywhere.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Nice Christina… Here I was just thinking of my future 150ft boat cruising fast around the world a few times with no need for fuel. You are a humanitarian. Thought most of those died off, but glad to see there is still some left.

  • Christina

    Me too!
    AMEN.

    • Christina

      Okay, it should have been “Me neither.” Sorry.

      I am so excited to think that food, shelter, and comfort are within our grasp for the Third World. Pray so that it all works out as God wills it to work out so that lenr is not used in a way detrimental to people everywhere.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Nice Christina… Here I was just thinking of my future 150ft boat cruising fast around the world a few times with no need for fuel. You are a humanitarian. Thought most of those died off, but glad to see there is still some left.

  • NT

    A big day for LENR alright and hopefully something good down the line for our beatup ole earth and its humanity!

  • NT

    A big day for LENR alright and hopefully something good down the line for our beatup ole earth and its humanity!

  • Kim

    Very good Frank.
    I hope your life is enriched with your endeavors.

    Respect
    Kim

  • Kim

    Very good Frank.
    I hope your life is enriched with your endeavors.

    Respect
    Kim

  • Nixter

    I had thought that GE was the Company, but I am glad to be wrong about it, GE is too big and too military for dispersing the technology properly. I am satisfied to see a Company like Industrial Heat, LLC take up the E-Cat reins. They are well positioned to exploit and commercialize the technology in a way that will benefit the people who need it the most. I am extremely pleased to see the sudden influx of other players sporting similar technology. I wish to see the Rossi effect validated and accepted by the doubters, but Dr. Rossi hit the nail squarely on the head when he said that it will be proven by the industrial and commercial deployment on a wide scale. I say this to forewarn the faithful against unrealistic expectations when the flood of peer reviewed papers and technical demonstrations are unleashed early this year. It will not be those most interesting revelations that will attract the attention of the mainstream media and science establishments, it will more likely be the proliferation of Cold Fusion based devices running reliably in factories, farms, and other suitable settings that will catch the eye of the worlds media outlets. The recognition of the Rossi Effect by the Cold Fusion deniers and news media pales in comparison to the ramifications of its successful deployment throughout the world. While we here will know that the upcoming verification reports signal its arrival, the rest of the world will probably have to wait until the Elephant has grown so large that they can no longer fit into their living room at all.

    • Charles

      Regarding GE, when I was working in the Electronics Industry, the word was often said that it was easier to sell something to GE than to buy something from them.

      • Nixter

        I’m not sure what that story means exactly, perhaps that the secret military side of GE’s operations tend to absorb everything of value for its own internal use, furthering its advanced technology projects, but it itself, disseminates very little information in return? That would make sense.

    • Ryan

      Well, GE could still be involved. Industrial Heat seems more like a front company with other entities investing in it for a portion of the pie. GE, Siemens, Google and more could all have a finger in this with the option to double down. If things should go belly up with this venture though then they can all back off with most none the wiser. Thus, lots of advantage with limited risks to their credibility.

      • GreenWin

        Note, Siemens Westinghouse is involved in BLP. US DOE has heavily invested in mid-Atlantic commercial power utility Pepco Holdings Inc.
        (PHI), which is a shareholder in BlackLight Power.

        • Ryan

          Interesting. Didn’t know that. Personally I really hope BLP has what they’ve been talking about as that would be a very, very nice turn of events and having Siemens invest in them does make it appear even more possible. Granted, I could see Siemens investing in IH as well just to cover their bases. Anyone know if BLP is publically traded (couldn’t find anything myself on them as a stock)? They have a profile up like IH on Bloomberg but nothing with details about whether your average person could invest in them. Always try to keep my eyes open for the next Google or Microsoft to invest in.

          • GreenWin

            Ryan, BLP is privately held and will not likely go public since it works on government projects that cannot tolerate that kind of exposure. There will likely be marketing deals with public companies that trade over the counter or NYSE/NASDAQ. PepCo Holdings is publicly traded.

      • Nixter

        GE is a preferred supplier of Military software and hardware for the Navy, I would assume that they already have or will soon be working with the Rossi Effect in this regard. As is common with hidden Military endeavors, we won’t see any of it for many years to come, but I would guess that GE will advance the hardware and the underlying theories by using it’s connections within the “Black Projects” community. Rossi shared his secrets with the Naval Research Labs back in 2009-2010 according to Professor Sergio Focardi. If they have not taken advantage of this head start I would be surprised. The US Navy is known to be heavily involved with top secret space technologies and LENR+ is a perfect fit for that niche also.

  • Nixter

    I had thought that GE was the Company, but I am glad to be wrong about it, GE is too big and too military for dispersing the technology properly. I am satisfied to see a Company like Industrial Heat, LLC take up the E-Cat reins. They are well positioned to exploit and commercialize the technology in a way that will benefit the people who need it the most. I am extremely pleased to see the sudden influx of other players sporting similar technology. I wish to see the Rossi effect validated and accepted by the doubters, but Dr. Rossi hit the nail squarely on the head when he said that it will be proven by the industrial and commercial deployment on a wide scale. I say this to forewarn the faithful against unrealistic expectations when the flood of peer reviewed papers and technical demonstrations are unleashed early this year. It will not be those most interesting revelations that will attract the attention of the mainstream media and science establishments, it will more likely be the proliferation of Cold Fusion based devices running reliably in factories, farms, and other suitable settings that will catch the eye of the worlds media outlets. The recognition of the Rossi Effect by the Cold Fusion deniers and news media pales in comparison to the ramifications of its successful deployment throughout the world. While we here will know that the upcoming verification reports signal its arrival, the rest of the world will probably have to wait until the Elephant has grown so large that they can no longer fit into their living room at all.

    • Charles

      Regarding GE, when I was working in the Electronics Industry, the word was often said that it was easier to sell something to GE than to buy something from them.

      • Nixter

        I’m not sure what that story means exactly, perhaps that the secret military side of GE’s operations tend to absorb everything of value for its own internal use, furthering its advanced technology projects, but it itself, disseminates very little information in return? That would make sense.

    • Ryan

      Well, GE could still be involved. Industrial Heat seems more like a front company with other entities investing in it for a portion of the pie. GE, Siemens, Google and more could all have a finger in this with the option to double down. If things should go belly up with this venture though then they can all back off with most none the wiser. Thus, lots of advantage with limited risks to their credibility.

      • roseland67

        Ryan,
        GE is huge in the CHP world.
        IF, this tech works, GE would be a perfect fit

      • GreenWin

        Note, Siemens Westinghouse is involved in BLP. US DOE has heavily invested in mid-Atlantic commercial power utility Pepco Holdings Inc.
        (PHI), which is a shareholder in BlackLight Power.

        • Ryan

          Interesting. Didn’t know that. Personally I really hope BLP has what they’ve been talking about as that would be a very, very nice turn of events and having Siemens invest in them does make it appear even more possible. Granted, I could see Siemens investing in IH as well just to cover their bases. Anyone know if BLP is publically traded (couldn’t find anything myself on them as a stock)? They have a profile up like IH on Bloomberg but nothing with details about whether your average person could invest in them. Always try to keep my eyes open for the next Google or Microsoft to invest in.

          • GreenWin

            Ryan, BLP is privately held and will not likely go public since it works on government projects that cannot tolerate that kind of exposure. There will likely be marketing deals with public companies that trade over the counter or NYSE/NASDAQ. PepCo Holdings is publicly traded.

      • Nixter

        GE is a preferred supplier of Military software and hardware for the Navy, I would assume that they already have or will soon be working with the Rossi Effect in this regard. As is common with hidden Military endeavors, we won’t see any of it for many years to come, but I would guess that GE will advance the hardware and the underlying theories by using it’s connections within the “Black Projects” community. Rossi shared his secrets with the Naval Research Labs back in 2009-2010 according to Professor Sergio Focardi. If they have not taken advantage of this head start I would be surprised. The US Navy is known to be heavily involved with top secret space technologies and LENR+ is a perfect fit for that niche also.

  • Daniel Maris
    • Mr. Moho

      Still only the press release, not an actual news story.
      Press releases from business entities apparently get distributed in a semi-automated way.

      • Daniel Maris

        True, but Yahoo News is quite a big site is it not?

        • Mr. Moho

          I guess you have a point, but given their nature I don’t think press releases like that have much exposure; they are used more like fillers to bump up page views and ad revenues. You won’t find that in the yahoo news home page.

          • JCK
          • Sanjeev

            http://www.einnews.com/pr_news/187104550/industrial-heat-has-acquired-andrea-rossi-s-e-cat-technology
            Some of their 65 million users may read this.
            As I understand it a press release is meant to be published as it is. Its like a broadcast.

          • Daniel Maris

            I see – point taken.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            – Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD.
            He did not run to hawaii (his Visa handed to him by The
            President of the United States), he continued environmental
            science. If his only concern was money he could have retired
            rich in his 30’s.

            – When Italys mafia took his waste management business by
            making his storage illegal (Apparently “The Mafia” reaches as
            far as Italy (who knew?), and they apparently like to control
            waste management in many countries) Andrea Rossi faced and
            beat all his Environment charges, when he could have hid in
            the U.S.A. (remember the VISA the President Carter gave
            him.).

            – All of Andrea Rossi science is common theme of
            environmental science.

            – Many scam corporations think to raise money (scam) by
            selling shares. This scam was common with mining companies.
            Tell everyone you found a rich vein then sell shares then pay
            yourself a million in salary and go broke. Andrea Rossi has
            not sold or tried to sell any shares in Leonardo corporation.
            This would be easiest scam opportunity.

            – Andrea Rossi is immigrating to the US where anti fraud laws
            are extremely tough.

            – Andrea Rossi funded the first 5 years of this from his own
            pocket including hiring Focardi. Scammers have a history of
            using other peoples money for scams, and Andrea Rossi has used his own.

            Since Andrea Rossi made the Nickel/Hydrogen version of LENR
            popular in 2011, we have seen many unrelated labs confirm
            this is indeed possible and very effective. So he is on the
            right track according to many.

            These separate and unrelated entities all claim THEY have a
            working LENR device. Why would so many reputable
            corporations claim this? Toyota, NASA, Brillouin, George
            Miley, Patterson cell, Honda, Mitsubishi, Peter Hagelstein,
            Celani, MFMP, Defkalion, The Athanor creators. That is a
            dozen just off the top of my head that does not include the
            ecat device.

            – He seems to be logically progressing. His best demo was 18
            hours on an unstable product and Defkalion bailed on him
            because he could not do a 48 hour run, but now he is running
            (confirmed) at much higher temperatuires for longer. If this
            was fake why did he not fake a 48 hour run with Defkalion or
            when he was demonstrating in 2011. Are skeptics suggesting
            he has advanced his fakery in this time?

            I REPEAT. DEFKALION WAS WILLING TO PAY $15 million to Rossi for a 48 hour
            demo. If Rossi was faking, why could he not fake a stable product back then. Now
            it is stable according to him and verifying team.

            – He has demonstrated publicly in front of many skeptics and
            geniuses many times during 2011.

            – He did allow this recent team to evaluate the ecats with
            very impressive results, and DC input has also been ruled
            out. We must EITHER think there is criminal conspiracy among
            very impressive verifying team of scholars with reputations
            at stake, or accept the reality of the ecat.

            – Andrea Rossi did publish a paper on this (see his website)
            in 2010 but it was basically ignored, and all patents for
            anything suggestive of Cold Fusion have been banned. How
            would a normal person proceed?

            -He cannot get patents on this because of ban , but also has
            secret catalyst that is his advantage in market. How would
            anyone protect it?

            Look at the Zawodny videos on the NASA website.

            Rossi has never been poor. He could have gone to
            Margaritaville 20 years ago if he wanted to.

            As Forbes Magazine Mark gibbs says,”This is not, of course,
            the last word or even one anywhere near the end of this story
            but unless this is one of the most elaborate hoaxes in
            scientific history it looks like the world may well be about
            to change.”

            Some say Andrea Rossi defrauded the American Department of Defense .. Here is his version..
            “in the year 2000 LTI agreed with DOD to test an industrialized version of a prototype working by the Seebeck Effect: such prototype, made by myself in 1000 hours, therefore extremely expensive, had reached 20% of efficiency; we had to make an industrialized version, economically sustainable, but I have not been able to do it, in fact the efficiency of the thermoelectric modules after industrialized production fall down to 5%, made by modules of 2 to 5 Watts of power, destined to be combined to make any power. The research has been made with the clear knowledge of the fact that the passage from a manufacturing made handycraft by me to an industrialized version could not work. The honesty of our work has been so clear, that DOD continued for years to work with LTI for other issues.”

            WHO KNEW THIS?
            Andrea Rossi has always been an achiever. He held
            the WORLD RECORD for distance running for two years in a row.

            Who here did not know Andrea Rossi was a world champion
            runner for 2 consecutive years in a competition that required
            perseverance (24 hour runs).

            He is likely imho to go down in history as one of the men
            responsible for clean energy and will save millions of lives.

            I say we go easy on the guy. He has ALWAYS done what he said
            he would do. I think he is very, very, very, credible.

          • Paul

            How do you know about is records as a runner? I cannot find anything on the web. If real, I should, don’t you think?

          • friendlyprogrammer

            he was Italian road-running champion in 1970, and in 1969 held the Junior World Record for the 24-hour run

            from

            http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/RossiECat/RossiPetroldragonStory.shtml

            And that is Krivits website (Rossi nemesis). I am sure you could find more.

          • clovis ray

            hey, mats o buddy, what’s shaking,so glad to hear from you, come and precipitate in the rossi disclosures, we would love to hear what you thing, it don’t take much time, and frank has the best site to watch, most of our old friends are here.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            I just quote one Rossi’s sentence here. It’s not related to the E-cat, but I think it’s well said:
            “The tunnel of research never ends, when you see the light it is an illusion, a reflection of your present knowledge.”

          • Daniel Maris

            Ah, Fibber, we feel for you…you being such a gutsy supporter of the E Cat. 🙂

            However, this feels like a very good fit to me. Cherokee have no conflict of interest over E Cat development.

            Nothing will stop the development of the E Cat if it works. In terms of China for instance, if they can demonstrate just one working plant, the Chinese state will do the rest, as they are desperate for an answert to their pollution problems. Within 5 years there could be tens of thousands of reactors across China.

          • BroKeeper

            Unfortunately that will only offset some of the growing pollution. China will need tens of millions to see any significant changes.

          • Daniel Maris

            China is investing heavily in green energy as well – wind and solar primarily. I think they will be able to start turning the tide on pollution and carbon emissions within 5 years if the technology is demonstrated to work as claimed.

          • BroKeeper

            With other green energy with a head start then perhaps a start. It’s a huge problem there as you are well aware. I had the privilege to visit Beijing in 1983 and the air clarity then in contrast to today’s air quality is striking. I hope you are right and the air will begin to clear for the sake of the beautiful Chinese people.

          • Omega Z

            Fibb, Just to add. P.O.V.

            Tho I also hoped it was someone Big, This situation isn’t all that bad.
            They can License it to Many Big Players. Siemens, G.E., B&W, Carrier, Etc, Etc…

            And many small Entities as well. People looking to invest will greatly benefit from the small company.

            Buy Siemens at say $100 & should it double in value doubles your investment.. However to make Large sums of gain from your investment requires large sums of money. How many $100 shares can you afford. Likely not many. $10K gets you $20K.

            This is a Great return if you have a few Million or a Billion to invest. Not so much for the Average Joe who starts with little.
            These Big Corporations due to the fact that they are so large to begin with have limitations on stock value growth. Doubling is a Big & Rare Deal.

            However, A Small Company with stock value of a few dollars is a totally different story. It has Great potential. Having a small share of a huge market leaves plenty of room to grow. Plenty of room to double, quadruple, Etc, in size & stock value.

            Purchase 2000 shares of a $2 stock that over a half dozen years climbs to say $100 dollars a share & your near ready to retire. & if that stock splits 2 for 1 a couple times- Your retired.

            Small can be Beautiful. 🙂

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I concur entirely with what you say, but one point we should not forget: Investing in a small cap startup company is much more risky than investing in a firmly established enterprise. Some time ago, I’ve bought a modest number of shares of the “usual suspects” like Siemens, GE, B&W, National Instruments, Mitsubishi Heavy, Ansaldo, and so on. The risk seems to be manageable, even if none of these companies should be related to a LENR project. I also own some shares of Cyclone Power. The risk here appears to be at least one, if not two orders of magnitude higher. Not only because CYPW still is a small startup company, but also since they have basically only one product. They could fail due to problems with financing, but also due to future technical developments that would make their engine obsolete. I recommend everyone to balance investments risks, so that a total default in one or two cases wouldn’t have disastrous consequences.

          • Warthog

            Let me point out a connection that everyone thus far seems to be missing. Rossi’s entire life has been focused on cleaning up the environment (Petroldragon). The company he initially worked with in the USA was largely focused in the same area. And Cherokee is almost totally focused on that same issue. I suspect Rossi chose Cherokee not because they were huge, but because they shared his life-long vision.

          • ecatworld

            Thanks, very much Mats — nice of you to stop by and say hello!

          • I quoted you for the thread on rossi history.

            You makes good summary and give good points.

            http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2384-Rossi-on-Burning-his-Finger-(The-Beginnings-of-the-E-Cat)&p=6105#post6105

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Thank you

          • Adam Lepczak

            All these libelous articles about Dr. Rossi upset me deeply for exactly these reasons. Its like talking down Nicola Tesla. We are setting up a dangerous precedence – dangerous for a human race. Our best people should be put up on the pedestal and not put up in jails and bad mouthed!

          • clovis ray

            thanks friendly, that was very informative. it had a few things i didn’t know ,nice

          • Job001

            Evidence that LENR researchers are scammers and frauds appears weak.
            Evidence that those calling LENR researchers names suffer from “Confirmation bias” is strong.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

          • confirmation bias is a weak term.

            it is what Benabou calls huge asymmetric updates.

            Self-enforced blindness (“color blind in a sea of red flags”).

            http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf

            it is groupthink

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

            but the worst kind, the mutual assured delusion.

          • Job001

            Groupthink is a good general term yet unspecific in logic/intellectual realms.

            More specifically;

            Confirmation bias illustrates logic secondary to data “Cherry picking” which science has shown is how human brains work rather than how pride-full intellectuals think they think.

            Dogmatism illustrates a more religious closed minded Groupthink.

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Anti fraud laws in the USA are tough? Perhaps for companies that are listed at NYSE or NASDAQ. But what happens at the OTC or Pink Sheet market is another matter. Even if the SEC acts in a suspect case, it’s mostly too late for shareholders. Rossi could have easily collected a lot of money by issuing shares. Thus, it’s still a larger plus for his credibility that he didn’t do that from the start.

  • mcloki

    This is actually a very big deal. Expect the LENR press releases to come fast and furious now. Especially that IH is actively pursuing patents.

    • GreenWin

      The very same blackout on LENR remains. Rossi got more mainstream press from his 2011 demos in Italy. Not to sound “skeptical” but until MIC orders change – there will be little or no mainstream press. And so what. Innovation is not built on PR. It’s built on hard technology and the marketplace.

  • mcloki

    This is actually a very big deal. Expect the LENR press releases to come fast and furious now. Especially that IH is actively pursuing patents.

    • GreenWin

      The very same blackout on LENR remains. Rossi got more mainstream press from his 2011 demos in Italy. Not to sound “skeptical” but until MIC orders change – there will be little or no mainstream press. And so what. Innovation is not built on PR. It’s built on hard technology and the marketplace.

  • E_man

    This is the first shot to the not yet born HF embryo I think.
    The second one will come next Tuesday I hope.

  • E_man

    This is the first shot to the not yet born HF embryo I think.
    The second one will come next Tuesday I hope.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    I bet that the Cherokee folks incubated their eCat interests at eCatWorld.
    Frank, you likely helped move the technology forward.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    I bet that the Cherokee folks incubated their eCat interests at eCatWorld.
    Frank, you likely helped move the technology forward.

  • BroKeeper

    Nice coverage Frank. This is one of the major announcements we have long awaited. A real boost for the ECAT and inventor Andre Rossi if not for all LENR efforts.
    Tuesday the 28th may offer another boost. I’m not talking only about the anticipated BLP demonstration by Randell Mills but one that may be even more meaningful.
    With a record low popularity from failed foreign policies, Obamacare problems, and NSA leaks, President Obama’s ‘State of the UNION’ address will afford a strategic moment to acclaim success of his ‘New Energy’ policies. Announcing a New Fire and other LENR advances will strike a positive cord he desperately needs for his legacy. I don’t believe Obama’s visit to Triangle Park last week was a coincidence. Either way the 28th will be very interesting.

    • Tom59

      He should then honor F&P and Rossi

    • Omega Z

      Personally, I’d prefer the Politicians stay out of it considering they have been involved in it’s suppression over the years.

      They’ll just lay claim to having invented it.
      Like the Internet & Gore.

      • GreenWin

        O Z, wait. You mean Algore did NOT invent the internet? The only politician that needs to come forward and make sweeping changes is DOE Sect Ernest Moniz. He needs to announce conversion of failed hot fusion projects to plasma energy research where taxpayer money will go a lot further.

        • BroKeeper

          Or help balance the budget.

  • Brokeeper

    Nice coverage Frank. This is one of the major announcements we have long awaited. A real boost for the ECAT and inventor Andre Rossi if not for all LENR efforts.
    Tuesday the 28th may offer another boost. I’m not talking only about the anticipated BLP demonstration by Randell Mills but one that may be even more meaningful.
    With a record low popularity from failed foreign policies, Obamacare problems, and NSA leaks, President Obama’s ‘State of the UNION’ address will afford a strategic moment to acclaim success of his ‘New Energy’ policies. Announcing a New Fire and other LENR advances will strike a positive cord he desperately needs for his legacy. I don’t believe Obama’s visit to Triangle Park last week was a coincidence. Either way the 28th will be very interesting.

    • Heath

      This is my thinking. The timing is strange and there may be a pattern. We shall see. If not, then not–I suppose. But the newest information about the continuing government involvement is striking, even from the latest McKubre interview. And the old patent with the Navy and the involvement of LRC and NASA (who deals less from the energy lobby than most departments). These things are ongoing and not about the govt chasing a fantasy energy source. And as I would expect, this is a joint venture apparently–political, industrial, scientific and the press. Frank, perhaps you helped untie the knot of secrecy on this. I have a good feeling that the people on this site had a great deal to do with this revelation as well. I’m not talking about a conspiracy, but perhaps it pushed forward the truth of what many entities (including Rossi and Cherokee) we’re hoping to contain until the time was right in their minds or was agreed upon.

      • Brokeeper

        Good points. Obama knows the military and NASA’s use of ECAT/LENR technology will eventually be revealed and a backlash from not sharing it with the struggling tax paying populace would be political suicide. If the announcement is not made this year it may be too late next year and Obama’s popularity would further plummet, especially with his New Energy commitments. The pressures will escalate.

    • Tom59

      He should then honor F&P and Rossi

    • Omega Z

      Personally, I’d prefer the Politicians stay out of it considering they have been involved in it’s suppression over the years.

      They’ll just lay claim to having invented it.
      Like the Internet & Gore.

      • GreenWin

        O Z, wait. You mean Algore did NOT invent the internet? The only politician that needs to come forward and make sweeping changes is DOE Sect Ernest Moniz. He needs to announce conversion of failed hot fusion projects to plasma energy research where taxpayer money will go a lot further.

        • Brokeeper

          Or help balance the budget.

  • STW

    Frank, could you let some hardcore sceptics post something, just for fun?

    • GreenWin

      Why? They got their own forum at Paul’s place, replete with the racial slur-loving Big Willy Johnson. These “skeptics” are filled with hate and bile and it’s all on record.

  • STW

    Frank, could you let some hardcore sceptics post something, just for fun?

    • GreenWin

      Why? They got their own forum at Paul’s place, replete with the racial slur-loving Big Willy Johnson. These “skeptics” are filled with hate and bile and it’s all on record.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Eric Walker Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:23:15 -0800
    “Kudos to Frank Acland and the fellow who broke this story well before it
    was announced to the public.”
    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89367.html

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Eric Walker Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:23:15 -0800
    “Kudos to Frank Acland and the fellow who broke this story well before it
    was announced to the public.”
    http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg89367.html

  • Christopher Dennis

    Does anyone know how to go about buying stock in Industrial Heat, Llc? According to an earlier post, the company filed with the SEC to sell 20 million in shares. Probably time to buy – no joke!

    • Ryan

      I’m guessing once public investment opportunities become available this site will update the information about it and what exchange it will be on. If you look up GE for example it will give a variety of information about their stock and such. http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=245130378 Best guess would be to check regularly and see when it updates. Once you can identify the exchange and what IH will be called under it then buying stock would work like any other company.

  • A much larger company could be behind Industrial Heat. If I were a big corporation, I would create a smaller corporation or partnership to hide my involvement.

    • Alex

      Yeah, at this point I might guess this has been guided and backed federally. Obama was in Triangle Park last week paying a visit. Too much of a coincidence not to be.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Maybe they are focused mainly on R&D and plan to outsource the production to one or more bigger enterprises with the necessary capabilities. This would surely be the most effective strategy.

      • Paul

        It seems follow a scheme similar to that adopted with Defkalion prior the divorce from Rossi. There were two companies, one for the part IP and another for the mass production of all the remanining part.

    • Bruce Williams

      A smart observation.

    • GreenWin

      That sounds about right to me. Layers of LLC structure help deflect unwanted attention. There remain many “parent” candidates with weightier resumes than IH.

    • clovis ray

      a very interesting statement, and i quite agree, there is so much we don’t know, maybe it all will be revealed soon. i said the very same thing this morning, some how it all just don’t add up. if 12 million is all the money that cherokee and IH has i would not even considered them, much less sellout to them.

  • Mats Eriksson

    Well, Frank. Your work is paying off. Congratulation. Long time since Spitlalfields Market. I heard the Irish boys are still at it.

    • clovis ray

      hey, mats o buddy, what’s shaking,so glad to hear from you, come and precipitate in the rossi disclosures, we would love to hear what you thing, it don’t take much time, and frank has the best site to watch, most of our old friends are here.

    • nightcreature3

      Now THAT Irish claim was one classic case of “smoke and mirrors”

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks, very much Mats — nice of you to stop by and say hello!

  • Allan Shura

    The press release invites commercial interest to adapt the technology. Rossi reported selling exclusive territorial rights to .license
    holders in all but a few countries some time ago. How could this be managed in this context?

  • Allan Shura

    The press release invites commercial interest to adapt the technology. Rossi reported selling exclusive territorial rights to .license
    holders in all but a few countries some time ago. How could this be managed in this context?

  • jousterusa

    Can we now talk to Rossi and get real answers to our questions? Is Cherokee/IH the “partner” that Rossi so often said was obligating him to stay silent? What about the upcoming independent validation report? Were IH engineers the folks who built the E-Cat from scratch? Was there one really sold to the military or to NASA? I think the answer to all of these things is yes, but I’d like to hear it from Rossi. Presumably his free speech has been restored by the disposition of his rights. One of the very important media accounts of this sale will be in Forbes, which can do extensive research and checking with impeccable sources. I was surprised that the press release from Cherokee/IH didn’t mention anything about the industrial park in China and the likelihood of it being manufactured there. As many readers know, Chinese law says that any company operating out of China must be 51% owned by the Chinese government, and that may eventually be a huge problem. But let’s see whether they launch a crash program to save their part of the planet from the pollution that is killing them rather quickly.

    • ecatworld

      I asked Rossi about his response to the news and he said ‘no comment’. He won’t comment until the report is published

      • Gerrit

        the NDA that Rossi signed is not obsoleted just because the partner issues press releases, so from a legal point of view, “no comment”, is ok.

        I worked for a company that kept refusing to name a customer by its real name long after the whole world knew the two companies had a supplier-customer relation.

  • jousterusa

    Can we now talk to Rossi and get real answers to our questions? Is Cherokee/IH the “partner” that Rossi so often said was obligating him to stay silent? What about the upcoming independent validation report? Were IH engineers the folks who built the E-Cat from scratch? Was there one really sold to the military or to NASA? I think the answer to all of these things is yes, but I’d like to hear it from Rossi. Presumably his free speech has been restored by the disposition of his rights. One of the very important media accounts of this sale will be in Forbes, which can do extensive research and checking with impeccable sources. I was surprised that the press release from Cherokee/IH didn’t mention anything about the industrial park in China and the likelihood of the E-Cat being manufactured there. As many readers know, Chinese law says that any company operating out of China must be 51% owned by the Chinese government, and that may eventually be a huge problem. But let’s see whether they launch a crash program to save their part of the planet from the pollution that is killing them rather quickly, and whether, given their less onerous regulations, they can propel the production of home E-Cats into Chinese homes. That may not be a priority for the government – except that such a move would be likely to strengthen public approval of the current Premier.

    • Frank Acland

      I asked Rossi about his response to the news and he said ‘no comment’. He won’t comment until the report is published

      • Gerrit

        the NDA that Rossi signed is not obsoleted just because the partner issues press releases, so from a legal point of view, “no comment”, is ok.

        I worked for a company that kept refusing to name a customer by its real name long after the whole world knew the two companies had a supplier-customer relation.

  • TommyS

    Have
    anyone considered that the timing of this press release could have been forced
    by the fact that BLP will perform a demo of their technology that have the
    ability to outperform Rossi’s E-CAT? There are also other potential
    technologies that can challenge Rossi which maybe forcing IH to go public now.
    We all know that startup time of the E-CAT is several hours which make it less
    suitable for directly powering things like cars,…

    • Freethinker

      The proverbial “chicken or the egg” question. Does it really matter?

      They are all rallying now to get their stuff into gear. The most prominent and publically available is Rossi. I would say that he to a larger extent has set the time table. While at it, maybe we can discuss bananas and apples. Rossi has all the time clearly stated that propelling vehicles with ecat directly is in the future and not what he is working on. If BLP stuff is good to fuel the old Buick, then fine. The first does not exclue the second, and vice versa. It will be a HUGE business.

      Likely, the press release came to set the record straight and avoid too much speculation, as the Cherokee connection was discovered.

      To all of you that think Obama will use LENR in his SOU, you may be right, but likely not. As I understand, climate will be in the SOU, but think for a second that there has been some severe cold and heat in the US. Specially the cold is a trouble for low income people, who must be said to be an important group of voters for the Democrats. Talking about such an immediate issue will help bring the focus away from obamacare and other burdening issues that Obama may want to avoid. Will he need to fix that with LENR to have a fair SOU? Likely not.

      If he does though, it will be a true milstone in history.

    • NCkhawk

      I don’t think that Darden or his team operates that way. If fact, I bet they are cheering BLP on and wishing them
      the best for their 1/28 demo. My guess is that there is going to be more than one path to commercial excess heat
      success. Mike McKubre was probably in the ballpark when he projected multiple energy sources / vendors. This is not
      to minimize the uphill battles that each of the sector leaders face – there is a lot of hard work left to do. All we need
      is one credible public demo and its off to the races.

    • Timar

      I rather think this press release has been provoked by the great investigative work done by Frank and some of his readers, which has unambiguously revealed the association between Industrial Heat/Cherokee and Rossi. They probably realized that given all that has been published here and elsewhere it would have been silly to further hide behind “no comment” statements.

    • Paul

      The E-Cat technology seems the best for providing thermal energy to industries and big heat consumers. BLP’s tech, on the contrary, seems the best for small and mobile power applications. So, one is probably better for thermal stationary uses, the other for electrical uses on mobile devices, not being harmful accordind to the Mills theory.

    • Redford

      I didn’t consider it – it’s crystal clear that it’s the case. It matters to make sure, on the communication level, that no one take the precursor image from Rossi. And it’s fine, that’s how the game is played.

  • Freethinker

    The proverbial “chicken or the egg” question. Does it really matter?

    They are all rallying now to get their stuff into gear. The most prominent and publically available is Rossi. I would say that he to a larger extent has set the time table. While at it, maybe we can discuss bananas and apples. Rossi has all the time clearly stated that propelling vehicles with ecat directly is in the future and not what he is working on. If BLP stuff is good to fuel the old Buick, then fine. The first does not exclue the second, and vice versa. It will be a HUGE business.

    Likely, the press release came to set the record straight and avoid too much speculation, as the Cherokee connection was discovered.

    To all of you that think Obama will use LENR in his SOU, you may be right, but likely not. As I understand, climate will be in the SOU, but think for a second that there has been some severe cold and heat in the US. Specially the cold is a trouble for low income people, who must be said to be an important group of voters for the Democrats. Talking about such an immediate issue will help bring the focus away from obamacare and other burdening issues that Obama may want to avoid. Will he need to fix that with LENR to have a fair SOU? Likely not.

    If he does though, it will be a true milstone in history.

  • NCkhawk

    I don’t think that Darden or his team operates that way. If fact, I bet they are cheering BLP on and wishing them
    the best for their 1/28 demo. My guess is that there is going to be more than one path to commercial excess heat
    success. Mike McKubre was probably in the ballpark when he projected multiple energy sources / vendors. This is not
    to minimize the uphill battles that each of the sector leaders face – there is a lot of hard work left to do. All we need
    is one credible public demo and its off to the races.

  • Mr T

    Finding it very odd/dubious that the Industrial Heat domain (industrialheat.co – registered 7 Feb 2013) just forwards back to the PR Newswire published press release. Is IH really a serious company, or just nothing more than a name Cherokee setup? A press release from a company that never made it past just a name, not even a one page website for basic info, gives no real hope that this is something serious that is going to produce any results, any time soon.

    • Industrial Heat has raised over $11M. Sounds pretty serious to me. And since Rossi, once again, has been vindicated as to the truth of his earlier assertions I think we can take him at his word that Industrial Heat (aka the US Partner) is where he now serves as Chief Scientist performing R&D and extensive prototype validation in preparation for commercialization.

      Until now only a small number of people even knew Industrial Heat existed. And only yesterday was its involvement with Rossi publicly confirmed. I think having a web page while they were trying to remain under the radar was probably number #4732 on their priority list.

      I’d expect some kind of larger public footprint now that they are out in the open, to include a web site. Hopefully they hire a professional outfit to put it together — cause some of the cold fusion web sites… ugh. Cherokee has a good web site so there’s reason for hope.

    • V.p.S.

      They bought industrialheat.co because industrialheat.com might be just too expensive for a start-up company. But let’s wait and see how things will develop. I think in the next half of year we should definitely see some good internet presense of Industrial Heat. Up to date it was not their priority. And as I already stated, this press release is rather premature and was not intended to be made at this stage.

  • f sedei

    A new beginning for inner and outer space travel? You betcha!

    • Bertuswonkel

      I am hoping on the same thing, space travel is awesome. I want to get off this rock a.s.a.p.
      However, we cannot be sure LENR will work in space.
      Since it is a collective body effect gravity might be needed to maintain the nuclear active environment.

      I recently asked Rossi on his blog if the e-cat would work in space but he could not answer the question.
      He did say it would be an interesting experiment, hope he is willing to donated one to the ISS to find out.
      Think we will be fine but keeping my fingers crossed until an actual experiment is done.

  • Gerard McEk

    This is a major event indeed. See where the ripples take us.

  • Gerard McEk

    This is a major event indeed. See where the ripples take us.

  • Frank Acland

    Just recieved this from Andrea Rossi:

    “Dear Friends,

    Please inform from your blogs that the JoNP is under attack and has been cancelled from the internet. Our IT guy is working to win the battle.

    Warmest regards,

    Andrea”

    • I guess Industrial Heat can expect a ****storm from here on out. Game on.

    • SammyM

      Now that is strange. Who would do that? More importantly can this site be next?

    • barty

      @Frank: Can you say Rossi that his IT guy should try to use the cloudflare.com service?
      The free service is good enough for such DDoS attacks. cloudflare has special hard and software to prevent such flooding attacks.

      • Frank Acland

        Good idea, I use this service myself and it really helps cut down on bandwidth used

    • NCkhawk

      Probably the Italians or whoever hacked out the Industrial Heat leak several weeks ago through one of Rossi’s technician’s Linkedin site. They should not have messed with Rossi back in his pyrolysis days. Guess they now realize that they’ve lost a big one and they are upset.

    • Davide

      Probably too much contacts and the website collapsed.

  • barty

    @Frank: Can you say Rossi that his IT guy should try to use the cloudflare.com service?
    Cloudflare offers a “real time site cache”, and is specialized to prevent such flooding attacks through professional hard- and software mechanism. This is drastically decreasing the bandwith traffic on the real server and cloudflare will automatically detect DDoS and flooding attacks and block these IP ranges.

    • barty

      …and of course, the FREE cloudflare service is absolutely sufficient for such an attack.

      greetings
      barty

  • Joel C.

    President Obama visited the Research Triangle Park last week. Speculate now… 🙂

    http://rtp.org/obama-taps-triangle-tech-innovation

  • BroKeeper

    Good points. Obama knows the military and NASA’s use of ECAT/LENR technology will eventually be revealed and a backlash from not sharing it with the struggling tax paying populace would be political suicide. If the announcement is not made this year it may be too late next year and Obama’s popularity would further plummet, especially with his New Energy commitments. The pressures will escalate.

  • Bob

    Interesting points to ponder!!

    Another confirmation of a “Rossi says”. He stated a company bought him out and it is proven true.
    As with many (most?) of his statements, over time he is confirmed. It seems he is basically honest.
    However, some statements seem to still mystify. What happened to the military sale(s)?

    What happened to the original 13 units that were stated to be sold?
    What happened to the European unit to be publicly displayed?

    When the total story is revealed, it will be quite a read!
    What happens to the original U.S., European and Australian distributors? Are they left “holding the bag”?
    Perhaps someone with connections could ask them?

    I watch this whole story with fascination! It is better than any soap opera! The patho-skeptics truly give me
    a good laugh at times. Sometimes they are quite irritating. The back and forth between the “pathos” and
    the faithful is only out done by the constant bickering of the liberals and conservatives! This would make
    a great TV reality show….. only the subject matter is truly substantial in reality with what it could hold for
    the future.

    As far as the IH press release. A big plus for confidence in Rossi. However, we must not jump too far
    ahead of ourselves. 20 years have went by and 6 times the money raised by BLP and we have seen nothing
    but empty promises and misdirection. I do not hold much hope for next weeks demo. If they do show something
    of substance, then good for them. But they have MUCH negative past history to overcome in my book.
    I hope Rossi does not follow the same trail. Years and much money, but no commercial product to show.

    Rossi seems to be honest at heart. If so, he should be years ahead of the other players based upon what he
    has said. (The “positive or negative” statements sure leave him a door out though) If what he has said is
    accurate, I would think that 2014 should see a device confirmed in such a way that it leaves little to no doubt.
    Possibly even close to commercial release. However even commercial release may be optimistic for 2014 and
    that would not be a criticism at all. No real validation of principal in 2014 would be a blow however.

    I had hoped 2011 would be THE YEAR. It was not.
    I had hoped 2012 would be THE YEAR. It was not
    I had hoped 2013 would be THE YEAR. It was not

    I hope that 2014 will be THEY YEAR. As usual we wait…….. 🙂

    • mcloki

      What happened to the military sales.
      That’s above your pay grade soldier.

    • GreenWin

      Bob, one of the basics of “misdirection” in the DFG (Debunker’s Field Guide) is F U D: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Glad to see you have studied well!!

      • Bob

        GreenWin,
        No DFG here. This is a bit of what I was describing about between the “Pathos” and some of the “faithful”. Sometimes both sides lash out at anything that does not support their side 100%!

        My statements and questions are valid. I do strongly hope for Rossi, Defkalion, Brillioun, Celani or even BLP to succeed beyond my expectations! I harbor do ill will to any of them. I am not a hard liner encamped with old school theorist or academia. Nor any holdings with oil, energy or other hidden agendas.

        I am a simply engineer with an open mind. Open to all questions. I applaud Rossi’s efforts and demos, but also find issues that could have been avoided. All testing is that way. I readily admitted above that he seems honest and over time more confirmation of that has been seen. I do not personally know him, but I believe I would like him if I did.

        I am a supporter, but not a blind one. I call them as I see them. This story has had many good tales and still has
        some mysteries out there. I remember statements of Home Depot getting ready to sell home units! Did not happen,
        Does this make Rossi a liar? Not really. Did he speak before he should have? Most certainly!

        We can have differences of opinion in this world and still get along. I mean no disrepect to Rossi or you! However, those who seek truth should not fear honest and valid questions. Rossi owes me nothing however I can still ask questions! The same questions I would ask of BLP, Papp Engine proponents, Hot Fusion crowd, or any other group.

        There is a big difference in asking honest questions from pointed criticism or slander. One opens the opportunity to for open conversation and truth while the other tries to beat down and simply shut up the “infidel”.

        Hope everyone has a good day and I raise my glass to “may LENR / CF / whatever you call it, is confirmed and brings much good to the world!”

        • GreenWin

          Bob, LENR has been confirmed in some 1100 articles in scientific journals. You can read them here: http://lenr-canr.org/ It is now going commercial and opponents are quite simply powerless to stop it. You might not be aware but there has been a LENR blackout on all mainstream press ordered by, military since 2011. Kinda makes sense as energy density reported by Elforsk-Levi is of certain military interest. And didn’t Rossi simply say he was “talking” with Home Depot? Sorry, I have a difference of opinion. Your questions reflect the veneer of FUD to me.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            I don’t see any FUD here, GW. To me Bob is openminded as he does not dismiss the possibility of LENR.

            Of course if he had done his homework, he could have concluded what you and I did, but I can see that those “confirmation” articles aren’t for everyone.

          • I disagree on the “blackout” by military… if so why they allow NRL and ex-spawar, plus DoD to leak many data , participate conferences, run startup, …

            the blackout is the one I observe every day, by “science apologists”, by 1st and 2nd rank mindguards.
            It is an academic group delusion, the Mutual Assured Delusion that is systematic in acadelmic system where your future depends more on the fact that your results are accepted, reviewed, cited, priced, funded, than on your own objective results.

            as Benabou explain, groupthink, MAD, happen when you are punished if you dissent, and you cannot benefit from your realism.
            Finance is a bit like that, but less, since reality fight back unless there is huge loan and debt to hide the failures (thanks to the fed to allow groupthink in finance).

          • GreenWin

            We see the blackout timed exactly to the termination of the SPAWAR lab – a division of Navy. Prior to that, there were mainstream news stories on Rossi and E-Cat. I certainly could be wrong. Orthodox academics are lockstep with media conglomerates & fossil/fission and they carefully guard their towers.

          • Charles Beaudette in Excess Heat explain that Nuclear Physicist since Manhattan project, gained great prestige, and reached top position as government advisers.

            For me they represent the top of science, because they are no more scientific, but Aristotelian… their prestige is that they are not cookers but theorist.

            There are few reported facts of academic advisers having blocked investments in LENR.

            One if hagelstein accusin MIT advisors for blocking private investpr

            http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/07/mit-physicist-nixes-cold-fusion-funding/

            Another is about Defkalion Story, when papandreou is advised by skeptical experts

            http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=645&cpage=4#comment-269793

    • Bertuswonkel

      Interesting points, was thinking the same. Rossi has slowly gained my confidence over time since much of what he stated turned out to be true. He seems to be an honest man and a clever experimenter. This is also i think a big difference with Mills, Rossi does not care about theory he just wants it to work. He is not going to take time off to write a book for some grand theory, just improve the experiment by trail and error. I have confidence that Rossi will be far better able to get a product to the market then Mills.

      • GreenWin

        In the end, as Mike McKubre emphasizes, a Win for One, is a Win for All.

  • Bob

    Interesting points to ponder!!

    Another confirmation of a “Rossi says”. He stated a company bought him out and it is proven true.
    As with many (most?) of his statements, over time he is confirmed. It seems he is basically honest.
    However, some statements seem to still mystify. What happened to the military sale(s)?

    What happened to the original 13 units that were stated to be sold?
    What happened to the European unit to be publicly displayed?

    When the total story is revealed, it will be quite a read!
    What happens to the original U.S., European and Australian distributors? Are they left “holding the bag”?
    Perhaps someone with connections could ask them?

    I watch this whole story with fascination! It is better than any soap opera! The patho-skeptics truly give me
    a good laugh at times. Sometimes they are quite irritating. The back and forth between the “pathos” and
    the faithful is only out done by the constant bickering of the liberals and conservatives! This would make
    a great TV reality show….. only the subject matter is truly substantial in reality with what it could hold for
    the future.

    As far as the IH press release. A big plus for confidence in Rossi. However, we must not jump too far
    ahead of ourselves. 20 years have went by and 6 times the money raised by BLP and we have seen nothing
    but empty promises and misdirection. I do not hold much hope for next weeks demo. If they do show something
    of substance, then good for them. But they have MUCH negative past history to overcome in my book.
    I hope Rossi does not follow the same trail. Years and much money, but no commercial product to show.

    Rossi seems to be honest at heart. If so, he should be years ahead of the other players based upon what he
    has said. (The “positive or negative” statements sure leave him a door out though) If what he has said is
    accurate, I would think that 2014 should see a device confirmed in such a way that it leaves little to no doubt.
    Possibly even close to commercial release. However even commercial release may be optimistic for 2014 and
    that would not be a criticism at all. No real validation of principal in 2014 would be a blow however.

    I had hoped 2011 would be THE YEAR. It was not.
    I had hoped 2012 would be THE YEAR. It was not
    I had hoped 2013 would be THE YEAR. It was not

    I hope that 2014 will be THEY YEAR. As usual we wait…….. 🙂

    • mcloki

      What happened to the military sales.
      That’s above your pay grade soldier.

    • GreenWin

      Bob, one of the basics of “misdirection” in the DFG (Debunker’s Field Guide) is F U D: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Glad to see you have studied well!!

      • Bob

        GreenWin,
        No DFG here. This is a bit of what I was describing about between the “Pathos” and some of the “faithful”. Sometimes both sides lash out at anything that does not support their side 100%!

        My statements and questions are valid. I do strongly hope for Rossi, Defkalion, Brillioun, Celani or even BLP to succeed beyond my expectations! I harbor do ill will to any of them. I am not a hard liner encamped with old school theorist or academia. Nor any holdings with oil, energy or other hidden agendas.

        I am a simply engineer with an open mind. Open to all questions. I applaud Rossi’s efforts and demos, but also find issues that could have been avoided. All testing is that way. I readily admitted above that he seems honest and over time more confirmation of that has been seen. I do not personally know him, but I believe I would like him if I did.

        I am a supporter, but not a blind one. I call them as I see them. This story has had many good tales and still has
        some mysteries out there. I remember statements of Home Depot getting ready to sell home units! Did not happen,
        Does this make Rossi a liar? Not really. Did he speak before he should have? Most certainly!

        We can have differences of opinion in this world and still get along. I mean no disrepect to Rossi or you! However, those who seek truth should not fear honest and valid questions. Rossi owes me nothing however I can still ask questions! The same questions I would ask of BLP, Papp Engine proponents, Hot Fusion crowd, or any other group.

        There is a big difference in asking honest questions from pointed criticism or slander. One opens the opportunity to for open conversation and truth while the other tries to beat down and simply shut up the “infidel”.

        Hope everyone has a good day and I raise my glass to “may LENR / CF / whatever you call it, is confirmed and brings much good to the world!”

        • GreenWin

          Bob, LENR has been confirmed in some 1100 articles in scientific journals. You can read them here: http://lenr-canr.org/ It is now going commercial and opponents are quite simply powerless to stop it. You might not be aware but there has been a LENR blackout on all mainstream press ordered by, military since 2011. Kinda makes sense as energy density reported by Elforsk-Levi is of certain military interest. And didn’t Rossi simply say he was “talking” with Home Depot? Sorry, I have a difference of opinion. Your questions reflect the veneer of FUD to me.

          • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

            I don’t see any FUD here, GW. To me Bob is openminded as he does not dismiss the possibility of LENR.

            Of course if he had done his homework, he could have concluded what you and I did, but I can see that those “confirmation” articles aren’t for everyone.

          • I disagree on the “blackout” by military… if so why they allow NRL and ex-spawar, plus DoD to leak many data , participate conferences, run startup, …

            the blackout is the one I observe every day, by “science apologists”, by 1st and 2nd rank mindguards.
            It is an academic group delusion, the Mutual Assured Delusion that is systematic in acadelmic system where your future depends more on the fact that your results are accepted, reviewed, cited, priced, funded, than on your own objective results.

            as Benabou explain, groupthink, MAD, happen when you are punished if you dissent, and you cannot benefit from your realism.
            Finance is a bit like that, but less, since reality fight back unless there is huge loan and debt to hide the failures (thanks to the fed to allow groupthink in finance).

          • GreenWin

            We see the blackout timed exactly to the termination of the SPAWAR lab – a division of Navy. Prior to that, there were mainstream news stories on Rossi and E-Cat. I certainly could be wrong. Orthodox academics are lockstep with media conglomerates & fossil/fission and they carefully guard their towers.

          • Charles Beaudette in Excess Heat explain that Nuclear Physicist since Manhattan project, gained great prestige, and reached top position as government advisers.

            For me they represent the top of science, because they are no more scientific, but Aristotelian… their prestige is that they are not cookers but theorist.

            There are few reported facts of academic advisers having blocked investments in LENR.

            One if hagelstein accusin MIT advisors for blocking private investpr

            http://e-catsite.com/2012/05/07/mit-physicist-nixes-cold-fusion-funding/

            Another is about Defkalion Story, when papandreou is advised by skeptical experts

            http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=645&cpage=4#comment-269793

    • Bertuswonkel

      Interesting points, was thinking the same. Rossi has slowly gained my confidence over time since much of what he stated turned out to be true. He seems to be an honest man and a clever experimenter. This is also i think a big difference with Mills, Rossi does not care about theory he just wants it to work. He is not going to take time off to write a book for some grand theory, just improve the experiment by trail and error. I have confidence that Rossi will be far better able to get a product to the market then Mills.

      • GreenWin

        In the end, as Mike McKubre emphasizes, a Win for One, is a Win for All.

  • V.p.S.

    They bought industrialheat.co because industrialheat.com might be just too expensive for a start-up company. But let’s wait and see how things will develop. I think in the next half of year we should definitely see some good internet presense of Industrial Heat. Up to date it was not their priority. And as I already stated, this press release is rather premature and was not intended to be made at this stage.

  • GreenWin

    Any developments that will further the expansion of LENR into the light is good news. The PR says IH has obtained “the rights” to E-Cat. It is unusual that the owner of those rights, e.g. (but not necessarily Rossi,) has not made a joint statement along with IH. And we have no indication of what the deal involved, e.g. cash, stock, future equity, etc. But IH appears interested in partnerships and we can be sure that future partners will include some fairly heavy technology companies. As McKubre pointed out, there are four leading players in the LENR game. And we haven’t even heard from Doosan, Mitsubishi, or Toyota. Or… Disney for that matter. 🙂

    Frank has done his usual excellent job of following the E-Cat saga to this new, exciting level. There is a LOT more “in course” we can be sure. Looks too like the announce has annoyed the skeptopaths causing the DoS attack on JNP. That’s a good sign for me. These attacks are mounted by entities threatened by truth. LENR skeps are deeply threatened on multiple fronts. Be afraid skeps – very afraid.

    Congrats to Darden, Cherokee, the good Dr., et al. The very best is yet to come.

    • tappanjack

      Hi GreenWin and all: There is something that has been gnawing at me since the sleuthing started about who is the partner, that is as an inventor who does does Dr Rossi trust? As an inventor myself I have to face this question every time I have an idea that I want to pursue. Now that the identity of the US partner has been revealed it is even more troubling.This is not an attack on the partner since in all fairness we do not know much about them. It is a question as to who built the matching prototype for the partner? This selection could not have been easy. You just don’t just walk in to any material RD firm and present your plans for the next energy revolution in history.you also don’t expect to have the expertise in house. In my opinion the prototype was not built by Mr Darden or anyone else with IH.
      Again my opinion the identity of the potential builder was probably dictated by the terms of the agreement to acquire the “rights” by Dr Rossi. I recall Dr Rossi stating the CEO was able to reproduce the technology himself, I think some room should be allowed for translation such that the terms of the agreement as to the ability to reproduce the tech and by the specified entity has been fulfilled and verified by the CEO.
      My hypothesis is there is still a world class R/D organization involved as directed by Dr Rossi who would utilize the cover provided by the US partner to be left alone from public scrutiny and corporate reporting rules to gain a major lead on the competition.If I was an investor in IH I also would want to know that this tech is being investigated and refined by a highly qualified and reputable company with unrestricted reach.
      So if my conjecture is correct, I have to ask who is it Dr Rossi trusts?

      • GreenWin

        Sounds just about right jack. It is likely that IH already has partners in the venture. And I trust from doing some study that at least two are very reputable, qualified companies – with very capable CEOs – one of whom is an excellent inventor. Personally, I trust that the doc has a near-perfect 12 man dream team on board. Trust and faith are not dissimilar.

  • GreenWin

    Any developments that will further the expansion of LENR into the light is good news. The PR says IH has obtained “the rights” to E-Cat. It is unusual that the owner of those rights, e.g. (but not necessarily Rossi,) has not made a joint statement along with IH. And we have no indication of what the deal involved, e.g. cash, stock, future equity, etc. But IH appears interested in partnerships and we can be sure that future partners will include some fairly heavy technology companies. As McKubre pointed out, there are four leading players in the LENR game. And we haven’t even heard from Doosan, Mitsubishi, or Toyota. Or… Disney for that matter. 🙂

    Frank has done his usual excellent job of following the E-Cat saga to this new, exciting level. There is a LOT more “in course” we can be sure. Looks too like the announce has annoyed the skeptopaths causing the DoS attack on JNP. That’s a good sign for me. These attacks are mounted by entities threatened by truth. LENR skeps are deeply threatened on multiple fronts. Be afraid skeps – very afraid.

    Congrats to Darden, Cherokee, the good Dr., et al. The very best is yet to come.

    • bachcole

      I see no reason to assume that the downed sites are down because of a DoS or any other attack. Perhaps it is. But there are other explanations. I do not think that maryyugo et. al. are intelligent enough to know how to do a DoS attack. The simplest explanation is usually the truth. The sites in question got so many hits that they crashed. I noticed that Frank’s site did not crash, and we are a hotbed of believers. I am sure that malicious hackers would go after Frank also, especially given that Frank and Mr. Moho revealed the Rossi – IH – Cherokee – Chinese connection first. Frank is now a major player; why didn’t he get attacked.

      • Frank Acland

        ECW is defended with 10 foot thick walls, battlements and armed guards.

        • bachcole

          And don’t forget our love and prayers. Of course some of us do not form our love into sentences (prayer), but they are still sending you protective love, whether they realize it or not. (:->)

      • GreenWin

        Rog, you need to get a little more realistic about the dark side. Dr. Rossi wrote to Frank here at E-catWorld and told him they were under attack. And Frank confirms his “10 foot thick walls, battlements and armed guards.” We need these things ’cause like it or not… there is a dark side.

        • bachcole

          I don’t think that it is about the dark side. I think that it is about belief and disbelief. If the ogres don’t wake up, they can’t and won’t hurt you. The more that we can do before the ogres wake up, the better. This is why I am not so hot about outing Darden and Vaughn.

    • tappanjack

      Hi GreenWin and all: There is something that has been gnawing at me since the sleuthing started about who is the partner, that is as an inventor who does does Dr Rossi trust? As an inventor myself I have to face this question every time I have an idea that I want to pursue. Now that the identity of the US partner has been revealed it is even more troubling.This is not an attack on the partner since in all fairness we do not know much about them. It is a question as to who built the matching prototype for the partner? This selection could not have been easy. You just don’t just walk in to any material RD firm and present your plans for the next energy revolution in history.you also don’t expect to have the expertise in house. In my opinion the prototype was not built by Mr Darden or anyone else with IH.
      Again my opinion the identity of the potential builder was probably dictated by the terms of the agreement to acquire the “rights” by Dr Rossi. I recall Dr Rossi stating the CEO was able to reproduce the technology himself, I think some room should be allowed for translation such that the terms of the agreement as to the ability to reproduce the tech and by the specified entity has been fulfilled and verified by the CEO.
      My hypothesis is there is still a world class R/D organization involved as directed by Dr Rossi who would utilize the cover provided by the US partner to be left alone from public scrutiny and corporate reporting rules to gain a major lead on the competition.If I was an investor in IH I also would want to know that this tech is being investigated and refined by a highly qualified and reputable company with unrestricted reach.
      So if my conjecture is correct, I have to ask who is it Dr Rossi trusts?

      • GreenWin

        Sounds just about right jack. It is likely that IH already has partners in the venture. And I trust from doing some study that at least two are very reputable, qualified companies – with very capable CEOs – one of whom is an excellent inventor. Personally, I trust that the doc has a near-perfect 12 man dream team on board. Trust and faith are not dissimilar.

  • Bertuswonkel

    I am hoping on the same thing, space travel is awesome. I want to get off this rock a.s.a.p.
    However, we cannot be sure LENR will work in space.
    Since it is a collective body effect gravity might be needed to maintain the nuclear active environment.

    I recently asked Rossi on his blog if the e-cat would work in space but he could not answer the question.
    He did say it would be an interesting experiment, hope he is willing to donated one to the ISS to find out.
    Think we will be fine but keeping my fingers crossed until an actual experiment is done.

  • bachcole

    Here is a little laugh and irony for you-all. I commented yesterday about our announcement that we are all so excited about in an article called “Why climate change is inevitable”. I mentioned in my comment that we have confirmation for LENR+ and an endorsement from a real company, and I left the link. Now I am getting hundreds of comments and I can’t get the thing to unsubscribe. I don’t think that the hundreds of comments are about LENR. They are still bickering about climate change. I just delete them by hand. But they just don’t get it. People, even here, would rather bicker than be happy and content that the climate change emergency is over. LENR+ is proven and the climate change argument is meaningless.

    • kdk

      Now all we have to do is redirect the greedy lobbyists so they can do something useful like make all of the federal incentives for switching over to LENR… if they can be redirected, we will be in good shape indeed…

  • PD

    Slightly confusing, as the domain suffix .co is the Internet country code top-level domain assigned to Colombia. However, a “whois” lookup indicates the domain is registered to Cherokee – see summary below. GoDaddy also shows there are currently two bids for industrialheat.com

    Domain Name: INDUSTRIALHEAT.CO
    Registry Domain ID: D40646348-CO
    Update Date: 2013-11-21 17:41:43
    Creation Date: 2013-02-07 21:43:20
    Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-02-06 23:59:59
    Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
    Registrant Name: Wendy Carter
    Registrant Organization: Cherokee
    Registrant Street: 111 E Hargett St
    Registrant Street: Suite 300
    Registrant City: Raleigh
    Registrant State/Province: North Carolina
    Registrant Postal Code: 27601
    Registrant Country: United States

  • counter fire in process.
    damage control.
    It is war!

    • STW

      let’s get the insect repellent out…

  • counter fire in process.
    damage control.
    It is war!

    • STW

      let’s get the insect repellent out…

  • bachcole

    This is the most important news story in the history of the world. It is to be expected that there will be opposition. Opposition merely gets more people familiar with words like “E-Cat”, “LENR”, “Andrea Rossi”, etc. Unlike liberalism vs. conservatism, the truth can and will be established, and the opponents know this. The E-Cat is out of the bag, and the cockroaches are scattering.

    • Doug Cutler

      Yes, if real, Cold Fusion/LENR would be the most important moment in human history, not just the power to overcome the impending climate crisis but the means to create a sustainable earth where deserts bloom everywhere from abundant desalinated sea water. After that comes space flight like we never imagined and upon the larger canvas of time perhaps even the means to out live the stars themselves. Cherokee angle is the most smoke we’ve seen yet from this story line.

      • bachcole

        Amen, brother.

  • ecatworld

    ECW is defended with 10 foot thick walls, battlements and armed guards.

  • SammyM

    Rossi’s JONP is back online. He claims that in the last 2 days ‘we have been attacked’. I find this all very strange. Who would want to do that?

    • GreenWin

      Certainly not Mary Yugo and all her many pseudonyms.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      Maybe he is interpreting a billion hits on his website as an attack. It could be curious LENR supporters.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    – Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD.
    He did not run to hawaii (his Visa handed to him by The
    President of the United States), he continued environmental
    science. If his only concern was money he could have retired
    rich in his 30’s.

    – When Italys mafia took his waste management business by
    making his storage illegal (Apparently “The Mafia” reaches as
    far as Italy (who knew?), and they apparently like to control
    waste management in many countries) Andrea Rossi faced and
    beat all his Environment charges, when he could have hid in
    the U.S.A. (remember the VISA the President Carter gave
    him.).

    – All of Andrea Rossi science is common theme of
    environmental science.

    – Many scam corporations think to raise money (scam) by
    selling shares. This scam was common with mining companies.
    Tell everyone you found a rich vein then sell shares then pay
    yourself a million in salary and go broke. Andrea Rossi has
    not sold or tried to sell any shares in Leonardo corporation.
    This would be easiest scam opportunity.

    – Andrea Rossi is immigrating to the US where anti fraud laws
    are extremely tough.

    – Andrea Rossi funded the first 5 years of this from his own
    pocket including hiring Focardi. Scammers have a history of
    using other peoples money for scams, and Andrea Rossi has used his own.

    Since Andrea Rossi made the Nickel/Hydrogen version of LENR
    popular in 2011, we have seen many unrelated labs confirm
    this is indeed possible and very effective. So he is on the
    right track according to many.

    These separate and unrelated entities all claim THEY have a
    working LENR device. Why would so many reputable
    corporations claim this? Toyota, NASA, Brillouin, George
    Miley, Patterson cell, Honda, Mitsubishi, Peter Hagelstein,
    Celani, MFMP, Defkalion, The Athanor creators. That is a
    dozen just off the top of my head that does not include the
    ecat device.

    – He seems to be logically progressing. His best demo was 18
    hours on an unstable product and Defkalion bailed on him
    because he could not do a 48 hour run, but now he is running
    (confirmed) at much higher temperatuires for longer. If this
    was fake why did he not fake a 48 hour run with Defkalion or
    when he was demonstrating in 2011. Are skeptics suggesting
    he has advanced his fakery in this time?

    I REPEAT. DEFKALION WAS WILLING TO PAY $15 million to Rossi for a 48 hour
    demo. If Rossi was faking, why could he not fake a stable product back then. Now
    it is stable according to him and verifying team.

    – He has demonstrated publicly in front of many skeptics and
    geniuses many times during 2011.

    – He did allow this recent team to evaluate the ecats with
    very impressive results, and DC input has also been ruled
    out. We must EITHER think there is criminal conspiracy among
    very impressive verifying team of scholars with reputations
    at stake, or accept the reality of the ecat.

    – Andrea Rossi did publish a paper on this (see his website)
    in 2010 but it was basically ignored, and all patents for
    anything suggestive of Cold Fusion have been banned. How
    would a normal person proceed?

    -He cannot get patents on this because of ban , but also has
    secret catalyst that is his advantage in market. How would
    anyone protect it?

    Look at the Zawodny videos on the NASA website.

    Rossi has never been poor. He could have gone to
    Margaritaville 20 years ago if he wanted to.

    As Forbes Magazine Mark gibbs says,”This is not, of course,
    the last word or even one anywhere near the end of this story
    but unless this is one of the most elaborate hoaxes in
    scientific history it looks like the world may well be about
    to change.”

    Some say Andrea Rossi defrauded the American Department of Defense .. Here is his version..
    “in the year 2000 LTI agreed with DOD to test an industrialized version of a prototype working by the Seebeck Effect: such prototype, made by myself in 1000 hours, therefore extremely expensive, had reached 20% of efficiency; we had to make an industrialized version, economically sustainable, but I have not been able to do it, in fact the efficiency of the thermoelectric modules after industrialized production fall down to 5%, made by modules of 2 to 5 Watts of power, destined to be combined to make any power. The research has been made with the clear knowledge of the fact that the passage from a manufacturing made handycraft by me to an industrialized version could not work. The honesty of our work has been so clear, that DOD continued for years to work with LTI for other issues.”

    WHO KNEW THIS?
    Andrea Rossi has always been an achiever. He held
    the WORLD RECORD for distance running for two years in a row.

    Who here did not know Andrea Rossi was a world champion
    runner for 2 consecutive years in a competition that required
    perseverance (24 hour runs).

    He is likely imho to go down in history as one of the men
    responsible for clean energy and will save millions of lives.

    I say we go easy on the guy. He has ALWAYS done what he said
    he would do. I think he is very, very, very, credible.

    • Paul

      How do you know about is records as a runner? I cannot find anything on the web. If real, I should, don’t you think?

    • bachcole

      I also am excited about this news story.

      I didn’t know that he was a runner in his youth. Tell us more about that, could you please?

      • Frank Acland

        AR was a champion long distance runner in Italy as a young man, as I understand.

        • friendlyprogrammer

          I know he trained in Sweden and is why he is fond of it. He was 17 years old (I think), and the run was a 24 hour endurance run. He won two consecutive years.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        he was Italian road-running champion in 1970, and in 1969 held the Junior World Record for the 24-hour run

        • bachcole

          Persistence and courage! This is no small feat, and I am entirely responsible for that deliberate pun. (:->) But, seriously, you can’t do that sort of thing without having a lot of courage and persistence. I used to be a long distance swimmer. I won the Sectionals as a freshmen (14 years old) in high school in the 400 yard freestyle. It involves a great deal of pain to do that sort of thing. You have to just keep running or swimming through the pain, long after you want to quit. And a 24 hour run, that is really very impressive.

    • I quoted you for the thread on rossi history.

      You makes good summary and give good points.

      http://www.lenr-forum.com/showthread.php?2384-Rossi-on-Burning-his-Finger-(The-Beginnings-of-the-E-Cat)&p=6105#post6105

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Thank you

    • Adam Lepczak

      All these libelous articles about Dr. Rossi upset me deeply for exactly these reasons. Its like talking down Nicola Tesla. We are setting up a dangerous precedence – dangerous for a human race. Our best people should be put up on the pedestal and not put up in jails and bad mouthed!

    • clovis ray

      thanks friendly, that was very informative. it had a few things i didn’t know ,nice

    • SammyM

      ‘Andrea Rossi was very rich before worth $30 million USD’

      Where did you get this info. This seems to contradict an interview Rossi did where he said he didn’t have much money when he came to the US, ‘I had to live with 1000$ per month, which was not easy, because I had to pay 600/month for the rent of the apartment. In that period my daily meal sometimes was 2 boiled eggs.’

      You can read some of that interview here: http://ecatreport.com/andrearossi/andrea-rossi-recaps-development-rossi-effect

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Rossi had many chemicals in storage. Laws changed (mafia influence?) and the storage became illegal AFTER THE FACT. Petroldragon was worth $30 million USD at the time. Rossi even Sponsored a Formula one Race team to demo his fuel.

        It is true he lost this company due to these changes. The point was is that he HAD a company worth $30 million. He also owns lucrative patents. He obviously had enough here to move, fly freely, hire Focardi and research as a hobby for at least 5 years unemployed.

    • SammyM

      Reading it over it’s actually not an interview but comments he made on JONP.

    • Job001

      Evidence that LENR researchers are scammers and frauds appears weak.
      Evidence that those calling LENR researchers names suffer from “Confirmation bias” is strong.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

      • bachcole

        I am very guilty of confirmation bias. I won’t even read an email if I suspect that the writer is going to challenge one of my beliefs.

      • confirmation bias is a weak term.

        it is what Benabou calls huge asymmetric updates.

        Self-enforced blindness (“color blind in a sea of red flags”).

        http://www.princeton.edu/~rbenabou/papers/Groupthink%20IOM%202012_07_02%20BW.pdf

        it is groupthink

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

        but the worst kind, the mutual assured delusion.

        • Job001

          Groupthink is a good general term yet unspecific in logic/intellectual realms.

          More specifically;

          Confirmation bias illustrates logic secondary to data “Cherry picking” which science has shown is how human brains work rather than how pride-full intellectuals think they think.

          Dogmatism illustrates a more religious closed minded Groupthink.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Anti fraud laws in the USA are tough? Perhaps for companies that are listed at NYSE or NASDAQ. But what happens at the OTC or Pink Sheet market is another matter. Even if the SEC acts in a suspect case, it’s mostly too late for shareholders. Rossi could have easily collected a lot of money by issuing shares. Thus, it’s still a larger plus for his credibility that he didn’t do that from the start.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    I’m not a negative person. In fact I’m a confirmed optimist. However I thought the potentially transformation Rossi discovery had the obvious potential to develop into a trillion dollar business, and that therefore the mysterious company that had joined up with Rossi would be GE or some other mega corporation. Instead it’s a small branch of a relatively small Venture Capital firm located in N.C. I feel the situation has been shifted back in time, along with my hopes that an actual reactor would soon appear to produce cheap, pollution-free energy that would make the deserts bloom and provide a future of abunance for all mankind. What ‘s happened seems inconsistent with the history of the E-cat. Unlike most people here, I’m a bit disappointed.

    • GreenWin

      Don’t be Fibb. Little, is what it seems.

    • deleo77

      I actually like that Industrial Heat is a smaller, flexible company. If the e-cat were a part of GE there would always be the chance that they could bury it for political reasons because of some internal thing going on within the company.

      It will be very difficult to fully protect the IP of the e-cat with a patent, so Industrial Heat could be looking at a1-2 year head start on the competition. The best thing they could do at this point is to set up strategic partnerships to get a foothold on the key markets. Darden has done this with the Chinese government. What better customer is there initially then Chinese factories currently powered by coal power plants that are polluting their air to very unhealthy levels? If Darden was able to get the Chinese on board with Industrial Heat then he has the company off to a great start.

      I definitely see other Silicon Valley VC’s coming into the fold when it comes time to commercialize. If the 6 month test looks good in March then we can expect a big (probably $40MM+ round) of VC funding to really begin the process of commercialization. Vinod Khosla or John Doerr may come into the picture at that point and throw a lot of money and horsepower into I.H.

    • bachcole

      The E-Cat will attract people who want to THROW money at Industrial Heat. I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. I am me, and I’m not worried about it. I know IH is small. Google at one time was small. Really good technologies have a way of making small companies into huge companies.

    • Omega Z

      I’m an Optimistic Pessimist.
      I’m positive that the worst is yet to come. 🙂

    • Omega Z

      Fibb, Just to add. P.O.V.

      Tho I also hoped it was someone Big, This situation isn’t all that bad.
      They can License it to Many Big Players. Siemens, G.E., B&W, Carrier, Etc, Etc…

      And many small Entities as well. People looking to invest will greatly benefit from the small company.

      Buy Siemens at say $100 & should it double in value doubles your investment.. However to make Large sums of gain from your investment requires large sums of money. How many $100 shares can you afford. Likely not many. $10K gets you $20K.

      This is a Great return if you have a few Million or a Billion to invest. Not so much for the Average Joe who starts with little.
      These Big Corporations due to the fact that they are so large to begin with have limitations on stock value growth. Doubling is a Big & Rare Deal.

      However, A Small Company with stock value of a few dollars is a totally different story. It has Great potential. Having a small share of a huge market leaves plenty of room to grow. Plenty of room to double, quadruple, Etc, in size & stock value.

      Purchase 2000 shares of a $2 stock that over a half dozen years climbs to say $100 dollars a share & your near ready to retire. & if that stock splits 2 for 1 a couple times- Your retired.

      Small can be Beautiful. 🙂

      • Andreas Moraitis

        I concur entirely with what you say, but one point we should not forget: Investing in a small cap startup company is much more risky than investing in a firmly established enterprise. Some time ago, I’ve bought a modest number of shares of the “usual suspects” like Siemens, GE, B&W, National Instruments, Mitsubishi Heavy, Ansaldo, and so on. The risk seems to be manageable, even if none of these companies should be related to a LENR project. I also own some shares of Cyclone Power. The risk here appears to be at least one, if not two orders of magnitude higher. Not only because CYPW still is a small startup company, but also since they have basically only one product. They could fail due to problems with financing, but also due to future technical developments that would make their engine obsolete. I recommend everyone to balance investments risks, so that a total default in one or two cases wouldn’t have disastrous consequences.

    • FrankM

      Do a little research and find out who Darden and McDonough dine with. 😉

  • GreenWin

    Certainly not Mary Yugo and all her many pseudonyms.

  • kdk

    Now all we have to do is redirect the greedy lobbyists so they can do something useful like make all of the federal incentives for switching over to LENR… if they can be redirected, we will be in good shape indeed…

  • ecatworld

    AR was a champion long distance runner in Italy as a young man, as I understand.

    • friendlyprogrammer

      I know he trained in Sweden and is why he is fond of it. He was 17 years old (I think), and the run was a 24 hour endurance run. He won two consecutive years.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    I just quote one Rossi’s sentence here. It’s not related to the E-cat, but I think it’s well said:
    “The tunnel of research never ends, when you see the light it is an illusion, a reflection of your present knowledge.”

  • friendlyprogrammer

    he was Italian road-running champion in 1970, and in 1969 held the Junior World Record for the 24-hour run

    • bachcole

      Persistence and courage! This is no small feat, and I am entirely responsible for that deliberate pun. (:->) But, seriously, you can’t do that sort of thing without having a lot of courage and persistence. I used to be a long distance swimmer. I won the Sectionals as a freshmen (14 years old) in high school in the 400 yard freestyle. It involves a great deal of pain to do that sort of thing. You have to just keep running or swimming through the pain, long after you want to quit. And a 24 hour run, that is really very impressive.

      • Kim

        On the 28th of this month Dr. Randall Mills will present.

        He will demonstrate his Hydrino Plasma.

        Using a bomb calorimeter the input energy and its output energy
        should be revealed.

        He will present his Hydrino Theory.

        He will also show how to construct an apparatus using
        off the shelve items to turn the Hydrino Plasma directly to electricity
        24/7. at 90 percent efficiency.

        I am hoping that there are no misunderstandings, errors, problems or
        misrepresentations.

        Respect
        Kim

        • Daniel Maris

          Dr Mills was left standing on the platform long ago. Telling us how to get from A to B from actually accomplishing the journey.

          • GreenWin

            Er, no Daniel. Mills has run a successful company for 20 years. The fact you don’t know how he has done it leaves only you on the platform.

          • Daniel Maris

            Well it’s all in his gift to change perceptions. As you say 20 years – with several years in the LENR field…and producing, well if you can make sense of what he says, I calculated it to be 16 watts per hour.

          • georgehants

            Daniel Maris, could you put up a quick reference of what you have achieved in Cold Fusion beyond Mr. Mills that gives you the right to criticise his efforts.
            Only time will tell the whole Truth.
            Perhaps you would now put up a comment on the “proven” corruption and incompetence of science in the affair,

          • Daniel Maris

            Don’t be silly George. If you are saying (as Mills does):

            1. I have a correct theory of LENR.

            2. I can build a machine that produces overunity energy.

            3. I have been working in this field for several years.

            But…then

            4. I haven’t got round to tapping the plasma.

            5. Er, it only produces 16 watt hour’s worth of energy…

            It just seems pretty pathetic to me.

            I will be the first to offer up an apology if he amazes us on the 28th.

          • georgehants

            I am saying nothing, but will wait for full Evidence before I condemn anybody.
            I look forward to your comment of the “proven” corruption and incompetence of science in the affair.

  • bachcole

    It does not make any sense that the Rossi haters would react so quickly. The Rossi lovers would react immediately. The Rossi haters would also have to get organized and decide what to do and such. I vote for the websites being over-burdened. In a few days, perhaps they will attack, but not now. And why would they be so STUPID as to attack? Surely even his “opponents” want him to win. Only die hard oil and coal investors and perhaps some psychotic academics want him to fail. Really. People trying to bring down his website does not make any sense.

  • GreenWin

    Don’t be Fibb. Little, is what it seems.

  • deleo77

    I actually like that Industrial Heat is a smaller, flexible company. If the e-cat were a part of GE there would always be the chance that they could bury it for political reasons because of some internal thing going on within the company.

    It will be very difficult to fully protect the IP of the e-cat with a patent, so Industrial Heat could be looking at a1-2 year head start on the competition. The best thing they could do at this point is to set up strategic partnerships to get a foothold on the key markets. Darden has done this with the Chinese government. What better customer is there initially then Chinese factories currently powered by coal power plants that are polluting their air to very unhealthy levels? If Darden was able to get the Chinese on board with Industrial Heat then he has the company off to a great start.

    I definitely see other Silicon Valley VC’s coming into the fold when it comes time to commercialize. If the 6 month test looks good in March then we can expect a big (probably $40MM+ round) of VC funding to really begin the process of commercialization. Vinod Khosla or John Doerr may come into the picture at that point and throw a lot of money and horsepower into I.H.

    • Daniel Maris

      I agree. Everything of course depends on the technology. If it’s dud then it’s no go. But if it works as claimed – and we now have very good reasons for believing it does – then I agree, attracting funding will not be a problem.

  • GreenWin

    Rog, you need to get a little more realistic about the dark side. Dr. Rossi wrote to Frank here at E-catWorld and told him they were under attack. And Frank confirms his “10 foot thick walls, battlements and armed guards.” We need these things ’cause like it or not… there is a dark side.

  • bachcole

    The E-Cat will attract people who want to THROW money at Industrial Heat. I wouldn’t worry about it if I were you. I am me, and I’m not worried about it. I know IH is small. Google at one time was small. Really good technologies have a way of making small companies into huge companies.

  • Sciam still in deniam

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2014/01/25/physics-week-in-review-january-25-2014/

    “From the There’s A Sucker Born Every Minute Dept: Dubious Cold Fusion MachineAcquired By North Carolina Company. “The Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat) has never been proven to work. Then again, it hasn’t been conclusively proven not to…””

    • bachcole

      Some people think that “proof” and “proven to work” means that it is all out there for everyone to see and admire and to know as a fact. Proof is in the perspective and eye of the beholder. But Scientific American thinks that it is the arbiter of truth and that it is all knowing. Let’s review history: http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors/i/Wrights/library/WrightSiAm1.html

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, very few understand that. If the reporter at sciam or popsci had a few billion to invest, it will take Rossi and his friends only an hour to prove it to them. Else why will Rossi and partners take pains to convince a few random journalists? These reporters treat themselves more important than they actually are. It often seems to be some kind of jealously, or some superiority complex which makes them write such things.

        Ecat is not open for public, and that’s why it is not proven to each and every individual on this planet. Some reputed scientists have access to the Ecat and have proven it, but it seems its not sufficient for the media or it is some kind of slave mentality as their godfathers (whomever they consider the authority) have not spoken yet.

    • atanguy

      “never been proven to work. and never proven not to”
      In the same journal this article:
      How to Cope with Uncomfortable Uncertainty: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-cope-with-uncomfortable-uncertainty/
      That says:
      Quote:
      “People with this fear try to feel more certain with strategies such as
      excessive checking, planning and reassurance seeking, worry and
      rumination, and avoidance of unfamiliar situations. Perhaps
      unsurprisingly, intolerance of uncertainty has been found to be related
      to obsessive-compulsive disorder”

      • GreenWin

        PopSci and SciAm are cut fro the same piece of cloth. Which is an oil stained rag.

  • Sciam still in deniam

    http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cocktail-party-physics/2014/01/25/physics-week-in-review-january-25-2014/

    “From the There’s A Sucker Born Every Minute Dept: Dubious Cold Fusion MachineAcquired By North Carolina Company. “The Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat) has never been proven to work. Then again, it hasn’t been conclusively proven not to…””

    • bachcole

      Some people think that “proof” and “proven to work” means that it is all out there for everyone to see and admire and to know as a fact. Proof is in the perspective and eye of the beholder. But Scientific American thinks that it is the arbiter of truth and that it is all knowing. Let’s review history: http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors/i/Wrights/library/WrightSiAm1.html

      • Sanjeev

        Yes, very few understand that. If the reporter at sciam or popsci had a few billion to invest, it will take Rossi and his friends only an hour to prove it to them. Else why will Rossi and partners take pains to convince a few random journalists? These reporters treat themselves more important than they actually are. It often seems to be some kind of jealously, or some superiority complex which makes them write such things.

        Ecat is not open for public, and that’s why it is not proven to each and every individual on this planet. Some reputed scientists have access to the Ecat and have proven it, but it seems its not sufficient for the media or it is some kind of slave mentality as their godfathers (whomever they consider the authority) have not spoken yet.

    • atanguy

      “never been proven to work. and never proven not to”
      In the same journal this article:
      How to Cope with Uncomfortable Uncertainty: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-cope-with-uncomfortable-uncertainty/
      That says:
      Quote:
      “People with this fear try to feel more certain with strategies such as
      excessive checking, planning and reassurance seeking, worry and
      rumination, and avoidance of unfamiliar situations. Perhaps
      unsurprisingly, intolerance of uncertainty has been found to be related
      to obsessive-compulsive disorder” No comments 😉

      • bachcole

        Nice catch!!!

      • Frechette

        I cancelled my subscription to Scientific American after Michael Shermer became its monthly columnist.

      • GreenWin

        PopSci and SciAm are cut fro the same piece of cloth. Which is an oil stained rag.

  • Christina

    As for global warming, what are we going to do if cold fusion becomes common, the atmosphere is cleaned up, and global warming continues because, all along, it was a natural phenomenon and our dirtying of the world didn’t have much of an impact past our polluting our water and food?

    I hope somebody out there is planning long range with underground or enclosed or force-shielded cities and underground transportation or something.

    Any plan will be easier with the Rossi Effect, though.

    A good motto applies perhaps,

    “Pray and trust God as if it depended on Him and work like it depended on you.”

    Everyone have a great day and may God bless you.

    • atanguy

      Don’t worry Christina god will warm you up,cleanly, thanks to AR. By the way why is god him? I would prefer her.

      • Christina

        Well, I gave an answer, atanguy, but it wasn’t forwarded to print by Frank. So let me just say there is an answer to that but admin considers it unpublishable.

        As this site belongs to Frank, that is his right.

      • BroKeeper

        “I have said, Ye are gods”

    • friendlyprogrammer

      With almost free clean energy we could likely come up with inventions that help control weather and control ocean temperatures. feasability is key and current energy costs affect it a lot.

      • Daniel Maris

        Yes, for instance, we could superfreeze huge (in area but thin) ice sheets to cover the northern and southern oceans and so increase the albedo of the planet.

        • Omega Z

          It would likely be cheaper to build an umbrella & shade the areas you want cooled. Add a few thrusters & move it at will.

          Similar to use reflectors to warm up other areas as needed.

        • LENR G

          Microsized controllable particles that reflect light based on orientation suspended in the atmosphere.

          Programmable albedo. Feasible with current technology.

          Not that we would need to do that with LENR around. Relatively simple surface-based appliances that control the transfer of heat to/from the oceans and/or crust as desired would be an easier way. If energy is essentially unlimited one of the things we can do with it is use it to transfer heat energy from one place to another.

          Although it may or may not ultimately be “wise” I think some level of geo-engineering in the future is inevitable.

      • Doug Cutler

        ENVIRONMENTALIST CLAIMS GLOBAL WARMING IS EXCELLENT NEWS! EXPLAINS . . .

        First to the point above: YES! 9 billion humans affect the natural order whether we like it or not. Best to try and make the best of it. Besides, despite all our travesties committed upon it, the current order of nature is still rooting for us because only human intelligence has the potential to detect and deflect large earth crossing asteroids and the mass extinctions they inflict.

        Now, all you scientific illiterates wake for up here is a great truth! In the very long run, i.e., civilization over thousands of years, global warming is VERY GOOD NEWS INDEED! Think of it, the green house effect gives us the means to PREVENT FUTURE ICE AGES! (This assumes of, course, we don’t destroy ourselves first through nuclear, bio-genic or super-intelligent robotic warfare.) However, some future existence assumed, simply by regulating the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, a humanity come-to-its-senses could adapt to variations in output from the sun, orbital effects or perhaps even periods of heavy volcanic activity. Sun burns a little dimmer for a few thousand years? . . . crank up the CO2. Sun gets hotter? . . . turn off CO2 or even fix atmospheric carbon with technologies that are emerging even now. Probably nations would still argue over just what the ideal global temp or levels of atmospheric CO2 should be. But DAMN! We’ve just discovered the thermostatic control for the entire biosphere! We just need to stop toying with it and cranking it up like a bunch of stupid children! All this could be accomplished without Cold Fusion – albeit with great difficulty.

        Now, if Cold Fusion is real then all the above would be accomplished with much greater ease including the mitigation of the inevitable damage resulting our present disastrous course. But as friendlyprogrammer suggests,even further positive adaptations would be possible chief among these the cheap desalination of ocean water. California is already in the process of completing a 50 million gal/day desalination plant. The availability of cheap energy from Cold Fusion combined with emerging super-efficient graphene filtration could make such plants common and of extreme value even if global temps continue to rise for a time as they likely will even after fossil fuels are cut off. Deserts would bloom. Desalinated ocean water would replace oil as the currency of civilization. Over time, large swaths of uninhabitable lands could be turned into green belts. Astronomers would continue to scour the heavens and rocket scientists would zap the first dangerous asteroid threatening to crash the party and spoil it all.

        Also, verification of Cold Fusion would be a triumph for modernism that would suck a lot of the wind out of regressive ideologies that plague the world today. The supposed failure of science to deliver on its promise of a brighter future has always fed fundamentalist delusions of all stripes. In the advent of Cold Fusion, societies would be too busy just trying to join in with the new prosperity. Extremism would suffer.

        Down sides (there’s always down sides): Earth’s population would continue to grow putting new pressures on non-energy resources and wildlife habitat.

    • Omega Z

      Christina

      I Believe in Global Warming.
      It started the minute the mini Ice Age Ended. 🙂
      Lucky for us.

      Global Warming is all about the money.
      Tax the World Trillion$ in carbon tax & spend a tiny fraction of that on alleviating said problem says it all. It’s about the money. If the problem was real, they would spend 100% of the tax money on the problem & likely more.

      Pollution is a real problem & LENR can go a long way in correcting that.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      The alarmists will blame it on waste heat.

      • Christina

        I stand corrected. But we must still work hard to better the world for the love of our neighbor and the glory of God.

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          I think I shall exercise my free will and refrain from commenting.

    • georgehants

      Christina, I think, it is not a belief in any particular god that matters, but only the belief in good and caring for all that is.

  • Christina

    As for global warming, what are we going to do if cold fusion becomes common, the atmosphere is cleaned up, and global warming continues because, all along, it was a natural phenomenon and our dirtying of the world didn’t have much of an impact past our polluting our water and food?

    I hope somebody out there is planning long range with underground or enclosed or force-shielded cities and underground transportation or something.

    Any plan will be easier with the Rossi Effect, though.

    A good motto applies perhaps,

    “Pray and trust God as if it depended on Him and work like it depended on you.”

    Everyone have a great day and may God bless you.

    • bachcole

      This sounds very much like the Muslim saying, “Trust in God but tie your camel.”

      Once I was pontificating about something spiritual while working at the Piedmont, California post office as a clerk. My friend a carrier came strolling around the corner, and I said, “Bob, do you believe in free will or determinism?” And Bob clenched his fist in enthusiasm and said, “I believer in God, all the way.” His was the correct answer. I had been baiting the other clerks; free will and determinism are both true and they are both false.

      • Christina

        I stand corrected. But we must still work hard to better the world for the love of our neighbor and the glory of God.

        • Frechette

          I’m with you. Christina

        • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

          I think I shall exercise my free will and refrain from commenting.

        • bachcole

          I wasn’t correcting you. I was agreeing with you and sharing with you.

      • NT

        Good one bach on the old Muslim saying. We here in Montana have one too that says: Trust in God, all others pay cash!

        • bachcole

          It’s funny but it is not the same important meaning. The important meaning is that free will and determinism can and are both true at the same time in the same situation. We are used to singularity types of truth, but when it comes to the human spirit and heart, such is not the case. Otherwise there would be no lawyers and judges and psychologists and theologians and philosophers.

      • MasterBlaster7

        Hu, I thought that saying came from an old Sinbad movie I saw as a kid. My buddies and I started saying “hey, tie up your camel” everytime the other one f’ed up….that was back in the 80s.

    • atanguy

      Don’t worry Christina god will warm you up,cleanly, thanks to AR. By the way why is god him? I would prefer her.

      • Christina

        Well, I gave an answer, atanguy, but it wasn’t forwarded to print by Frank. So let me just say there is an answer to that but admin considers it unpublishable.

        As this site belongs to Frank, that is his right.

      • Brokeeper

        “I have said, Ye are gods”

    • friendlyprogrammer

      With almost free clean energy we could likely come up with inventions that help control weather and control ocean temperatures. feasability is key and current energy costs affect it a lot.

      • bachcole

        1.) “Almost free” is the key phrase. And the piping would be prohibitive. We have already talked about heating roadways, and that thought was dismissed because of the cost of pipes and the maintenance costs. Now you want to control the weather and the oceans.

        2.) Please don’t. Let nature be. I tremble at the thought of scientists thinking that they can control the weather and the ocean temperatures. Scientists already control our food supply, and that is a catastrophe.

      • Doug Cutler

        ENVIRONMENTALIST CLAIMS GLOBAL WARMING IS EXCELLENT NEWS! EXPLAINS . . .

        First to the point above: YES! 9 billion humans affect the natural order whether we like it or not. Best to try and make the best of it. Besides, despite all our travesties committed upon it, the current order of nature is still rooting for us because only human intelligence has the potential to detect and deflect large earth crossing asteroids and the mass extinctions they inflict.

        Now, all you scientific illiterates wake for up here is a great truth! In the very long run, i.e., civilization over thousands of years, global warming is VERY GOOD NEWS INDEED! Think of it, the green house effect gives us the means to PREVENT FUTURE ICE AGES! (This assumes of, course, we don’t destroy ourselves first through nuclear, bio-genic or super-intelligent robotic warfare.) However, some future existence assumed, simply by regulating the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, a humanity come-to-its-senses could adapt to variations in output from the sun, orbital effects or perhaps even periods of heavy volcanic activity. Sun burns a little dimmer for a few thousand years? . . . crank up the CO2. Sun gets hotter? . . . turn off CO2 or even fix atmospheric carbon with technologies that are emerging even now. Probably nations would still argue over just what the ideal global temp or levels of atmospheric CO2 should be. But DAMN! We’ve just discovered the thermostatic control for the entire biosphere! We just need to stop toying with it and cranking it up like a bunch of stupid children! All this could be accomplished without Cold Fusion – albeit with great difficulty.

        Now, if Cold Fusion is real then all the above would be accomplished with much greater ease including the mitigation of the inevitable damage resulting our present disastrous course. But as friendlyprogrammer suggests, even further positive adaptations would be possible chief among these the cheap desalination of ocean water. California is already in the process of completing a 50 million gal/day desalination plant. The availability of cheap energy from Cold Fusion combined with emerging super-efficient graphene filtration could make such plants common and of extreme value even if global temps continue to rise for a time as they likely will even after fossil fuels are cut off. Deserts would bloom. Desalinated ocean water would replace oil as the currency of civilization. Over time, large swaths of uninhabitable lands could be turned into green belts. Astronomers would continue to scour the heavens and rocket scientists would zap the first dangerous asteroid threatening to crash the party and spoil it all.

        Also, verification of Cold Fusion would be a triumph for modernism that would suck a lot of the wind out of regressive ideologies that plague the world today. The supposed failure of science to deliver on its promise of a brighter future has always fed fundamentalist delusions of all stripes. In the advent of Cold Fusion, societies would be too busy just trying to join in with the new prosperity. Extremism would suffer.

        Down sides (there’s always down sides): Earth’s population would continue to grow putting new pressures on non-energy resources and wildlife habitat.

    • Omega Z

      Christina

      I Believe in Global Warming.
      It started the minute the mini Ice Age Ended. 🙂
      Lucky for us.

      Global Warming is all about the money.
      Tax the World Trillion$ in carbon tax & spend a tiny fraction of that on alleviating said problem says it all. It’s about the money. If the problem was real, they would spend 100% of the tax money on the problem & likely more.

      Pollution is a real problem & LENR can go a long way in correcting that.

      • bachcole

        LENR can also go a long way to healing people of their tendency to be hysterical and to worship at the Altar of Science.

        • Doug Cutler

          I happen to worship at the Alter of Science. I’m very eager to see LENR brought into the fold, if at all possible.

          • bachcole

            Doug, my comment is about one’s approach to life. If I listened only to scientists, then I would NOT be here supporting LENR. I instead practiced science and clarity of thought and came to discover that LENR is real.

    • Iggy Dalrymple

      The alarmists will blame it on waste heat.

    • Julius Bourjo

      I love global warming !

      I want to see polar regions completly free from ice.

      We may find interesting stuffs.

    • georgehants

      Christina, I think, it is not a belief in any particular god that matters, but only the belief in good and caring for “all that is.”

  • friendlyprogrammer

    Rossi had many chemicals in storage. Laws changed (mafia influence?) and the storage became illegal AFTER THE FACT. Petroldragon was worth $30 million USD at the time. Rossi even Sponsored a Formula one Race team to demo his fuel.

    It is true he lost this company due to these changes. The point was is that he HAD a company worth $30 million. He also owns lucrative patents. He obviously had enough here to move, fly freely, hire Focardi and research as a hobby for at least 5 years unemployed.

  • Chris I
    • Omega Z

      The Sacramento Bee
      approximately 33rd ranked in U.S.
      Circulation 200K to 300K depending on source and weekday or Sunday issue.

      • Buck

        It is important to note that the Bee is the main paper in the state capital of California!

  • Chris, Italy
    • Veblin

      No: Not the original source.

      • Chris, Italy

        Well, OK, it’s the original text then.

    • Omega Z

      The Sacramento Bee
      approximately 33rd ranked in U.S.
      Circulation 200K to 300K depending on source and weekday or Sunday issue.

      • Buck

        It is important to note that the Bee is the main paper in the state capital of California!

  • Omega Z

    I’m an Optimistic Pessimist.
    I’m positive that the worst is yet to come. 🙂

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Popular Science, “The device was created by Italian inventor Andrea Rossi, a convicted scam artist”. How can an editor at Popular Science allow this, really disappointed in our press, this is outrageous!

      • Daniel Maris

        Yep. That’s a very low point in popular science journalism. I think the worst of it is that they don’t have the guts to just accuse Rossi of being a fraud – they preserve a little acre where they can later claim they were “right” – cos they said nevertheless it might be true.

        Beneath contempt.

        • GreenWin

          Bernie. We need to accept that rags like PopSci are not real. This kind of libel occurs in “pretend” publications designed to simulate the originals. This is the result of living in holographic sims that are poorly programmed.

      • Chris I

        It is definitely false, a distortion of facts. I had a good mind to write them up about it but it’s never any use where the skeptopaths are ranting.

        – His criminal troubles here were not for fraud.

        – AFAIK the only convictions were for fiscal matters, due to the bankruptcy caused by the failure of the Petroldragon venture.

  • Kim

    On the 28th of this month Dr. Randall Mills will present.

    He will demonstrate his Hydrino Plasma.

    Using a bomb calorimeter the input energy and its output energy
    should be revealed.

    He will present his Hydrino Theory.

    He will also show how to construct an apparatus using
    off the shelve items to turn the Hydrino Plasma directly to electricity
    24/7. at 90 percent efficiency.

    I am hoping that there are no misunderstandings, errors, problems or
    misrepresentations.

    Respect
    Kim

  • nightcreature3

    Now THAT Irish claim was one classic case of “smoke and mirrors”

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Popular Science, “The device was created by Italian inventor Andrea Rossi, a convicted scam artist”. How can an editor at Popular Science allow this, really disappointed in our press, this is outrageous!

    • Tweet Tweet

      Bernie – Its a money game and on the front line of most companies you will find a sales division.
      We tend to believe that News Media Organizations is conspiring against us and we visualize there would be a Nazi soldier in their office directing to the chief publisher what to print – but I think that – probably – its complete wrong belief.

      MSNBC or whatever their name is interrupted (I heard) a segment of mass surveillance with at breaking news segment about Justin Bieber. I can see no other reason for a company to act that way than money.

      The reason we are not on the front page of every news paper is because we have not paid these “MARKETING” companies to publish our stuff. (?) (Times, Forbes, PopSci……)

      That would explain why there is probably 200 articles every day in Pop Sci and other magazines writting news related to Ipad and Iphone. “Girl chokes to death on iphone”, “Boy sells his organs for a iPad and a Mac Book Pro”.

      I would guess that if you buy a perfume to your special friend at least 10 – 20 dollars goes into marketing.
      For soap, washing powder and cosmetics its not uncommon that 1/3 of what you pay in the store goes directly into marketing.

      A media like PopSci probably does not make any money or very little on subscriptions. The value for a Magazine can come from sales of content and ads (which sometimes blends very nice in together so you wont notice it) . Lets say in theory they have a solar cell company or a oil company pushing in 100 000 a year in commercial – they might wanna keep that customer with their company.

      Its all just business

      Some magazines pay top dollars to sales people to travel the world an interview sports stars, companies and politicians.
      I wonder how much Forbes would pay for a interview with for example a dictator? KATCHING KATCHING

      Maybe its not about writing for or against Cold Fusion – its just about taking positions on Google
      Think about it: the search word for ” Andrea Rossi Scam ” would be worth quite a lot no matter what you write.
      Would a certain energy magazine really attract that much of visitors if he was not attacking Andrea Rossi? No!

      I can make 150 dollars a year (probably more) on EVERY post I make through one offer I have been given – if – I publish other peoples news on my blog posts and pretend its not a paid ad.
      However If I would put some Google Adsense on my webpage and have proper ads I would probably just make enough for a few cups of coffee a month.
      If it works like that for me on a small scale Its reasonable to think it works also like that on a larger scale.

    • Chris, Italy

      It is definitely false, a distortion of facts. I had a good mind to write them up about it but it’s never any use where the skeptopaths are ranting.

      – His criminal troubles here were not for fraud.

      – AFAIK the only convictions were for fiscal matters, due to the bankruptcy caused by the failure of the Petroldragon venture.

  • NT

    Good one bach on the old Muslim saying. We here in Montana have one too that says: Trust in God, all others pay cash!

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Most media will be in denail for the time being. It will take a peer reviewed article in Science or Nature or an extraordinary convincing demo before the MSM (and science) can accept claims such as these. Just relax and wait a little while longer for the playing field to unfold. In the end there will be a breakthrough. The jeannie is out of the bottle and it can’t be put back in.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It’s understandable that MSM want to cover themselves against a disgrace. They still have not forgotten the Fleischmann-Pons affair. It might take a longer time until one of the highly renowned scientific journals will report on the E-Cat, since Rossi apparently doesn’t allow third-party researchers to open the reactors. Scientific journals are usually not interested in black box tests. However, there is a chance that some MSM will report on Rossi in another than the science section. The German journal Spiegel has done it twice, but each time with a slightly ironic undertone.

  • Zeddicus Zul Zorander

    Most media will be in denail for the time being. It will take a peer reviewed article in Science or Nature or an extraordinary convincing demo before the MSM (and science) can accept claims such as these. Just relax and wait a little while longer for the playing field to unfold. In the end there will be a breakthrough. The jeannie is out of the bottle and it can’t be put back in.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      It’s understandable that MSM want to cover themselves against a disgrace. They still have not forgotten the Fleischmann-Pons affair. It might take a longer time until one of the highly renowned scientific journals will report on the E-Cat, since Rossi apparently doesn’t allow third-party researchers to open the reactors. Scientific journals are usually not interested in black box tests. However, there is a chance that some MSM will report on Rossi in another than the science section. The German journal Spiegel has done it twice, but each time with a slightly ironic undertone.

  • MasterBlaster7

    Hu, I thought that saying came from an old Sinbad movie I saw as a kid. My buddies and I started saying “hey, tie up your camel” everytime the other one f’ed up….that was back in the 80s.

  • Ophelia Rump

    A novel proposal.
    I think that no amount of proof will stop the attacks which are becoming ever more slanderous.

    However if I understand correctly the facts and numbers, Rossi’s work has received 20 Million first round funding of which 10 million has been bought. That is a lot of investment money at risk, and you have to know that Cherokee, a multi-billion dollar investment fund cannot be happy about being slandered.

    So what would prove the E-Cat Technology sufficiently to silence the attacks?
    How about a nice slander suit, where the judge decides if the technology is real?

    I think at somewhere around the moment that mass production begins, papers will be served.

  • Avatar Polymorph

    Industrial Heat! Finally, at last, after all these years of my postering and emailing about Rossi and Defkalion and Brillouin and Celani and all the American and Japanese scientists about cold fusion! The Italian government should erect three nickel statues lit at night by the glow of a Hot Cat in a square in Bologna: to Piantelli for noticing the heat anomoly on the nickel tripod, to Piantelli’s co-experimenter Focardi for working with Rossi, and to Rossi for enduring hundreds and hundreds of experiments and dozens and dozens of explosions! (For the pathoskeptics: they should take up denying that bacteria cause stomach ulcers, planes of course don’t fly, diamondoid mechanosynthesis will never work, genetic and stem cell therapies are the fictions of cosmetic companies, Stem Cell 100/Memex 100 don’t work because they’re based on OpenCog which FOR SURE IS FAKE – they surely know! And Mary Yugo the serial troll can spend the next decade redacting his negativistic, repetitive, cherry-picking, reductionary, scientifically biased, non-evidence based conspiratorial-theory and misleading commentary. As an essayist I would give Mary Yugo an F in high school. Jed Rothwell however is THE MAN who knows the stuff!

  • barty

    Frank, did you received the mail I sent you?

  • barty

    Frank, did you received the mail I sent you?

  • Bedroom_eyes

    Leading researcher says he has replicated at least five lenr technologies for the US government! Admits working for darpa .

    http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/leading-researcher-says-he-has-replicated-at-least-five-lenr-technologies-for-us-government-admits-working-for-darpa-2

    • bachcole

      I like Mike!!!

      This is actually quite BIG.

      1.) Mike, whose integrity is beyond question for me, is admitting to having replicated 5 different LENR technologies.
      2.) Mike, whose integrity is beyond question for me, knows first hand that DARPA is pursuing LENR with vigor.
      3.) Mike, whose integrity is beyond question for me, is demonstrating that he is the most knowledgeable LENR researcher, because he has had practice with 5 different LENR technologies.

      • psi2u2

        I agree, Bachole, Mike McKubre’s involvement in this has been for me since I first began learning one of the biggest positive indices. I love his quote when asked if he was surprised that Rob Duncan had changed his mind after being hired by 60 minutes to assess labs: “I know what I’ve seen.” Those are the words of a scientist firm in his conviction — from *experience*.

    • Jimr

      I feel this may be a far more important statement than anything Rossi has said.

      • bachcole

        Given Rossi’s unreliability, and I say this with deep gratitude for what Rossi has done and is going to do, I believe that you are right, Jimr. Mike McKubre has nothing in his closet that could be construed as being a skeleton. He is both laid-back and dignified, a very nice combination.

        Anyone who still disbelieves in LENR is not looking very closely or is mentally deranged.

  • Doug Cutler

    I happen to worship at the Alter of Science. I’m very eager to see LENR brought into the fold, if at all possible.

  • Chris I

    Well, OK, it’s the original text then.

  • psi2u2

    I agree, Bachole, Mike McKubre’s involvement in this has been for me since I first began learning one of the biggest positive indices. I love his quote when asked if he was surprised that Rob Duncan had changed his mind after being hired by 60 minutes to assess labs: “I know what I’ve seen.” Those are the words of a scientist firm in his conviction — from *experience*.

  • Doug Cutler

    Yes, if real, Cold Fusion/LENR would be the most important moment in human history, not just the power to overcome the impending climate crisis but the means to create a sustainable earth where deserts bloom everywhere from abundant desalinated sea water. After that comes space flight like we never imagined and upon the larger canvas of time perhaps even the means to out live the stars themselves. Cherokee angle is the most smoke we’ve seen yet from this story line.

  • Charles

    As I have said before, I think the one thing missing in Rossi’s system is the ability to control the rates of power production.

    The field of Control Engineering already exists and is well developed. Between Duke, UNC, and NCState there has got to be a plethora of Engineering professors adept in this field. Were I Darden and Vaughn, I would have a batch of them on salary working on the control problem. My own thoughts are that determining how and where to obtain samples of output for adjusting the input will be a huge problem involving close cooperation between the physicists and control engineering professors.

  • I am interested in using it in zero carbon residential development.