What is goodXchange? Launching this Fall and Shares Same Address as Cherokee and Industrial Heat

Here’s something interesting that I think may have a connection with E-Cat technology somehow. On the Italian Cobraf web site there was a link to a site called goodXchange. The organization has the address of:

111 East Hargett Street
Suite 300
Raleigh, North Carolina 27601

This is the address shared by both Cherokee Investment Partners and Industrial Heat.

Here’s what the organization says about itself:

Mission: WE EXIST TO HELP PEOPLE, BUSINESS PROFIT IS OUR TOOL

Big Idea: “Advances in social media and mobile technologies have changed the way brands reach consumers, and goodXchange is taking a twist on the typical advertising model by creatively mobilizing huge groups of people to engage with brands to benefit (raise funds) for charitable causes.”

Secret Sauce: “Companies usually pay agencies for these engagements, but we’re hacking the system by using a charity’s social network, a celebrity’s network, and most importantly, your network…to rally the masses and redirect billions of dollars to the world’s most effective charitable causes.”

If you look at the team you will see the familiar face of Tom Darden (he’s the only one there without an organizational title). One of the co-founders and President is Doug Pitt, brother of actor Brad Pitt (Brad founded Make it Right, a green construction non-profit organization that Tom Darden Jr. directs). I don’t recognize anyone else on the team.

Reading the information on the site, I don’t really understand how the organization is going to operate — but they are all about supporting charitable causes using social media, big brands and celebrities. How this all relates to the E-Cat, I don’t know — but is it just coincidence that the organization is headquartered at the same address as Cherokee and Industrial Heat — and that the first engagement is listed as kicking off in the Fall of 2014?

I wonder what kind of ‘engagement’ we are talking about? I don’t know, but I’ve signed up to get a notification about it.

  • ecatworld

    Maybe this is connected with Andrea Rossi’s commitment to use some of his profits from his technology to help children with cancer. He talked not too long ago about efforts underway to fulfill this obligation.

    • Daniel Maris

      Possibly so.

      I’m wondering if it’s something like getting people to invest in E Cat technology who then get part of the profits but also contribute to charities?

      I do find the reference to “Secret Sauce” a bit telling…that’s always been a bit of a skep stick “Rossi won’t tell us the secret sauce recipe etc.” – so if he is associated with this, I wouldn’t be surprised to see that phrase used.

      Interesting! – may this Autumn indeed be a “season of mellow fruitfulness” that will bring to ripeness all our hopes. If not, well I am sure we are all big enough to live with that.

    • Heath

      Why not ask Rossi directly if he is involved with this?

  • Frank Acland

    Maybe this is connected with Andrea Rossi’s commitment to use some of his profits from his technology to help children with cancer. He talked not too long ago about efforts underway to fulfill this obligation.

    • Heath

      Why not ask Rossi directly if he is involved with this?

    • clovis ray

      This piece of the puzzle, seem to fit , Dr. Rossi if not involved will like this origination, i personally love the idea, one good reason is brad p is married to Angelia jolie , What a beautiful , and generous angel she is .

  • jousterusa

    The key thing is the suite number. This is a small three-story building, as I revealed here several weeks ago, and I believe there’s also a law firm in there. Proximity doesn’t mean there’s another relationship, although there could be. IH is not a charitable enterprise, though!

  • jousterusa

    The key thing is the suite number. This is a small three-story building, as I revealed here several weeks ago, and I believe there’s also a law firm in there. Proximity doesn’t mean there’s another relationship, although there could be. Darden may just like to house his various interests near one another so as to keep a close eye on things, and he may also be doing a favor for his son by housing him there. IH is not a charitable enterprise, though!

  • GreenWin

    Just an excellent idea! How much fun will it be for goodXchange to motivate millions to follow their lead. Income from business revenues could fund grants to good will networks, young philanthropists, “give-back” education, charitable design, charity navigation etc. Wonderful! Inspiring! There IS Enough.

    • psi2u2

      agreed.

      • psi2u2

        I bet you feel proud of that, too, huh?

        • friendlyprogrammer

          Proud of what? Your comment does not seem to make much sense. Please clarify. The only thing I have done is suggest this looks like a crowdfunding website that is very common these days.

          I am not even suggesting it is in any way related to IH/Rossi. They merely have a mailing address to the same building which houses various businesses.

          I did not start one of these scam websites, and I support LENR ??????

        • GreenWin

          psi, as the inevitable sinks in, pathos will grasp at any opportunity to impugn and malign. Operating under the guise of “bunko cops,” some will suggest giving your Mom a gift card is proof you’ve been swindled. 🙁

          • friendlyprogrammer

            Or sometimes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck.

            Crowdsourcing frauds are quite common. Just google it for a minute.

            http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/when-the-crowd-funds-a-flop-what-next-20120529-1zgba.html

            That link is to a crowdsourced project that raised over $300 000 and gave nothing in return even though it promised much to those who donated.

            Here is the dismayed customers on the actual site before they took the cash and ran.

            https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zioneyez/eyeztm-by-zioneyez-hd-video-recording-glasses-for/comments?cursor=864482

            I do not need to be the “bunko police”. I just happen to read a lot and am informed. If you wish to help “redirect billions of dollars to the world’s most effective charitable causes.” as this start up crowdsourcing is claiming starting with your own unwanted cash.. go ahead. Someone will be happy.

            If you are wanting to donate online then support Frank and this website. If you want to give your money to con artists then crowdsourcing seems terrific.

          • GreenWin

            friendly, at some stage of your reading you may come across research of the “placebo effect” category. This is an area of neuro-science and psychology that suggests if you imagine you are surrounded by thieves, swindlers and con artists, then you more than likely will be. If you spend your days reading and studying fraud – that’s what you’ll find in your little world.

            Some people choose to be cautious but optimistic. Some can see the manifestations in their lives as “all good.” These are often happier more creative people than the cynics and doomsayers. Giving ultimately IMO, is not really about to whom, and for what reason, but more about the broadening of one’s spirit by doing so. Then again, each to their own. 🙂

          • bachcole

            So, a corollary to this rather exalted principle is that it does not matter what the object of hatred/anger is, the ultimate bring down is the hatred/anger itself.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            positive thinking does not get the victims of common crowdsourcing scams their money back. There is a difference between perception of scams and well known scams.

            Are you suggesting that crowdsourcing/Ponzi/Pyramid schemes are legitimate if one just thinks positive?

            This website suggests “billions of dollars” (slightly optimistic for any website (I am a website designer hence my name friendlyprogrammer)). They also suggest Charities (plural). So yes it seems like there are a few clues this is crowdsourcing.

            Many think crowdsourcing is legitimate like yourself, and that’s why these guys get away with so much of their marks money.

            You say “giving ultimately is not about to whom, or for what reason”, but handing money to criminals likely won’t buy you a spot in heaven as it encourages more theft and enables them to steal more themselves.

  • GreenWin

    Just an excellent idea! How much fun will it be for goodXchange to motivate millions to follow their lead. Income from business revenues could fund grants to good will networks, young philanthropists, “give-back” education, charitable design, charity navigation etc. Wonderful! Inspiring! There IS Enough.

    • psi2u2

      agreed.

  • friendlyprogrammer

    It sounds like a typical Crowdfunding website,”creatively mobilizing huge groups of people to engage with brands to benefit (raise funds) for charitable causes.”, and “to rally the masses and redirect billions of dollars to the world’s most effective charitable causes.”

    we shall see what “most effective” means but it looks pretty much like crowdfunding to me.

    Sounds like some of the (in my humble opinion) crowdfunding scam charity drives out there.

    I’m not saying this particular crowdfunding project is a scam but people donate towards a cause like “gravity lights for Africa”
    http://www.whiteboardmag.com/crowdfunding-a-radically-new-gravity-light-for-africa/
    and then in some cases nothing happens but the project “co-coordinator’ pockets the cash.

    https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gravitylight-lighting-for-developing-countries
    This company raised almost $400 000 with a $55 000 goal. This means they can apply that money to a) purchasing their own invention b) flying to at least 25 countries (according to their website), and spend whatever administrative fees they choose (crowdfunding website got their share off the top).

    So yes. I wonder about crowdfunding. Crowdfunding websites say they are on the lookout for fraudulent charities, but seriously….. look at the “legitimate” one I just outlined.

    Personally I don’t see candles and lamps being as big a health hazard as they make out and who will change the dang light bulbs or fix the broken units. It is like supplying cars without a mechanic. Even artificial lighting has been alleged to interfere with our regular sleep patterns and might cause more illness than prevent.

    The small print if you visit the crowdfunding websites tell you that the charity may never deliver a single thing, depending on donations and costs. Someone could just lay out an idea, pay themselves $100k a year in salary (if donations allow), then spend the rest on researching the idea without a penny going towards the actual cause.

    A crowdfunding website could even have a fake address as long as their paypal is working.

    It sounds like a crowdfunding website and since it is an online business it may likely be started by someone who has a small office there, works there, or is the son/daughter of someone working there. An online presence likely would not even need a mailing address.

    Greenwin has a much higher expectation of crowdfunding than I do. Send me money to save the whales, and I’ll get right on it after I buy a much bigger boat with your collective funds. I will then stock it with food and a chef and park myself in front of a whaling ship a few times until my $100k annual salary funds dip and I am forced to sail to Bermuda instead

    • psi2u2

      I bet you feel proud of that, too, huh?

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Proud of what? Your comment does not seem to make much sense. Please clarify. The only thing I have done is suggest this looks like a crowdfunding website that is very common these days.

        I am not even suggesting it is in any way related to IH/Rossi. They merely have a mailing address to the same building which houses various businesses.

        I did not start one of these scam websites, and I support LENR ??????

      • GreenWin

        psi, as the inevitable sinks in, pathos will grasp at any opportunity to impugn and malign. Operating under the guise of “bunko cops,” some will suggest giving your Mom a gift card is proof you’ve been swindled. 🙁

        • friendlyprogrammer

          Or sometimes if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a duck.

          Crowdsourcing frauds are quite common. Just google it for a minute.

          http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/business-it/when-the-crowd-funds-a-flop-what-next-20120529-1zgba.html

          That link is to a crowdsourced project that raised over $300 000 and gave nothing in return even though it promised much to those who donated.

          Here is the dismayed customers on the actual site before they took the cash and ran.

          https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zioneyez/eyeztm-by-zioneyez-hd-video-recording-glasses-for/comments?cursor=864482

          I do not need to be the “bunko police”. I just happen to read a lot and am informed. If you wish to help “redirect billions of dollars to the world’s most effective charitable causes.” as this start up crowdsourcing is claiming starting with your own unwanted cash.. go ahead. Someone will be happy.

          If you are wanting to donate online then support Frank and this website. If you want to give your money to con artists then crowdsourcing seems terrific.

          • GreenWin

            friendly, at some stage of your reading you may come across research of the “placebo effect” category. This is an area of neuro-science and psychology that suggests if you imagine you are surrounded by thieves, swindlers and con artists, then you more than likely will be. If you spend your days reading and studying fraud – that’s what you’ll find in your little world.

            Some people choose to be cautious but optimistic. Some can see the manifestations in their lives as “all good.” These are often happier more creative people than the cynics and doomsayers. Giving ultimately IMO, is not really about to whom, and for what reason, but more about the broadening of one’s spirit by doing so. Then again, each to their own. 🙂

          • bachcole

            So, a corollary to this rather exalted principle is that it does not matter what the object of hatred/anger is, the ultimate bring down is the hatred/anger itself.

          • friendlyprogrammer

            positive thinking does not get the victims of common crowdsourcing scams their money back. There is a difference between perception of scams and well known scams.

            Are you suggesting that crowdsourcing/Ponzi/Pyramid schemes are legitimate if one just thinks positive?

            This website suggests “billions of dollars” (slightly optimistic for any website (I am a website designer hence my name friendlyprogrammer)). They also suggest Charities (plural). So yes it seems like there are a few clues this is crowdsourcing.

            Many think crowdsourcing is legitimate like yourself, and that’s why these guys get away with so much of their marks money.

            You say “giving ultimately is not about to whom, or for what reason”, but handing money to criminals likely won’t buy you a spot in heaven as it encourages more theft and enables them to steal more themselves.

          • bachcole

            I am going to have to agree with friendly. Good intentions are essential, but enabling bad people is also a big sin. We should be careful about who we give money to. Are the receivers going to use the money for drugs or booze or raising their children or buying milk or what? We aren’t doing a scam artist any favors if we enable their evil doing. The best thing that we can do for a scam artist is to discourage their scam artistry.

    • clovis ray

      FriendlyP.
      i can’t believe what i’m hearing from you this morning,our whales, were being systematically destroyed by the Japanese and well on their way to extinction . i sent my money, and guess what, we did and are saving the whales,and say different is just wrong and stupid.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        Try reading my statement correctly. I have no problem with saving whales or any legitimate charity. If you understood what I was saying you would realize I was badmouthing some crowdfunding efforts because of its lack of controls or efforts to ascertain administration fees.

        The example I gave was that A) someone could fund a “save the whales”campaign through crowdfunding where potentially 100% of your donation will never save any whales, or B) donate to a legitimate charity like greenpeace that publicly demonstrates its administration costs. Obviously B is the better choice if you use your noggin.

        To try to explain it further. Your next door neighbor could start his own “save the whales” campaign and use all the funds to buy himself a Mercedes. He could avoid even seeing a whale and have no repercussions. These fake charity scams often use legitimate charity causes as the bait, but they only pocket the money themselves or make small gestures towards the cause.

        Try reading and understanding before tossing around undeserved insults. I also have donated to greenpeace. It is a far cry from crowdfunding.

        The example I gave is that I could start a “Save the Whales” effort and use it first to buy myself a big boat. I mean how could I go and save the whales without a big boat right? I gave several examples of how crowdfunding scams work and articles about them, you can learn more by reading about it.

        Anybody making negative claims about my dislike for the scam charities that exist should spend some time reading about them. Real charities do exist and need your money.

        I have even donated $20 to this website, have you? It may not be a lot but if we all did it Frank would have less Webhosting fees to worry about.

        • clovis ray

          OK, i apologize, i did not read you correctly, my bad, and i do agree that you should be very careful when investing as well as knowing who the real charity’s are, it is my belief with what i know about crowd funding, is the banks make it to hard to get funded on experimental work, that makes people turn to this type of funding i have a friend that used it , and helped him produce, a type of 3D printer, and is doing quite well. i must say.

      • friendlyprogrammer

        I think much of the criticism here is from people who are not informed about what exactly crowdfunding is. It is a new mostly internet method of asking the public for funds on many projects. Some are legitimate and good, and some are just plain scams as there is little oversight to the project coordinators, and the websites hosting the requests simply take 5% off the top as profit.

        Crowdfunding is well known as a base for some con artists and I have repeatedly shown news about them here. Here is another link.
        http://pando.com/2013/06/30/thieves-and-scams-the-problem-with-crowdfunding/

        It is not at all the same as donating to a registered charity like greenpeace or Cancer Societies. Crowdfunding has bilked many out of their money for charities that do not really exist, or projects that fall through or the owner just pockets the cash and walks away.

        Crowdfunding grew to a 5 billion dollar industry last year and there are legitimate causes like donating towards a new Veronica Mars movie if that appeals to you, but people need to be wary and understand that their money may often not go where they want it to unlike a legitimate registered Charity.

        If you want to save the whales donate to a registered Charity or Greenpeace, and hold off on sending money to a crowdfunding project that is totally unregulated.

  • US_Citizen71

    The address likely has more to with the law firm more than anything else. Dealing with a non-profit and a LLC would use very similar types of lawyers. It would make sense that Mr Darden would use the same lawyer or law firm for many different projects if he trusted them and liked the service he received.

    • clovis ray

      Hi, citizen,
      We may be getting our first look at part of the mechanism. that will be used to get the message out about e-cat.

  • Guest

    Nice wordpress template – Im sure they’ll do great

    “Martin is also Chair Emeritus to Association of National Advertisers Research and Measurement Council – an organization whose members spend over $250 Billion each year in advertising”

  • blanco69

    At least theres a door there with a Cherokee plate on it. Doesn’t look like the place to take over the world from though.

    • Omega Z

      That’s the Genius of it,
      No One will suspect a think & then. BOOM. Got ya.

      • blanco69

        Guess I sort of expected a hollowed out volcano with moveable fake lake top.:)

        • Omega Z

          Nope, To my knowledge, they have no Volcanoes in North Carolina.

          So you get, Something more like Men In Black.
          Step through the door, see the guard setting there, Make a beeline to the Elevator & enter. Rossi’s Lab is on Level G…
          🙂

  • Bernie777

    Reminds me of the mumbo jumbo my Lehman Bros. broker used to read to me from their corporate propaganda factory. If this is from IH, it scares me.

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Reminds me of the mumbo jumbo my Lehman Bros. broker used to read to me from their corporate propaganda factory. If this is from IH, it scares me.

  • Andy Kumar

    Shouldn’t they sell some e-cats and make some profit before talking about charity?

    • psi2u2

      Not really. Notice how quick people have been to criticize Rossi for not giving away what he knows. To me this is exactly the correct pro-active move – to have their charitable vision already articulated before the money starts rolling in. Having viewed the McDonough videos, I don’t share the cynicism of some commentators.

      • GreenWin

        Right on target psi.

      • Gerald

        Spot on. The first thing that came to mind reading your reaction was Don Quichot. Change wind for money.

  • psi2u2

    This very much reminds me of the strong ethical emphasis in Bill McDonough’s public lectures. I feel positive about the team that seems to be assembling around the development of the e-cat. They seem to have a very balanced perspective – that intellectual property does matter, because profits help drive innovation and production – but also that one prime use of our own wealth should be to help make the world a better place by sharing to rise all boats.

    Ultimately, that is is the enlightened self-interest of the wealthy. Witness the unfolding Ebola debacle and let’s hope it doesn’t spread out of Africa.

    • Ophelia Rump

      Too late, Ebola has spread from East coast of Africa to West Coast, two weeks incubation without symptoms. The infected have been crossing into Egypt and other countries for two weeks, and yesterday they began to close the borders.
      In 20 weeks the death toll will be two million per day, if they do not get ahead of this.

      They need to lock down the continent of Africa immediately and probably the Arab World.
      The best thing they could do is stop all international traffic. Expect to see it soon, but too late for most of the world. I suspect it has been weaponized, there are already over 300 known mutations, it is mutating like an escaped lab experiment. If it becomes airborne things could begin to get really bad.

      • psi2u2

        Very bad news. I just sent another small donation to Health Canada, which is fundraising for the effort. But this needs big money, right away, plus our smartest health care people working 24-7 to crack the vaccine and other treatments.

        • Ryan

          While this particular disease could be worrisome there are already groups testing a vaccine ( http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140908152930.htm ) and others that think they might have an treatment for it. Quite frankly, given the origin of the disease it may be a bit overblown for its level of danger, note that I’m not saying it isn’t still dangerous. At one point back when they first started taking notice of Ebola they claimed that it had nearly a 97% kill rate. However that was likely due to poor conditions for the people living where it spread and the near complete lack of any medical treatment. With better living conditions, access to stable, clean water as well as rest and suitable medical treatment it seems that the death rate is much lower, Granted its still high but no where near what was originally imagined.

          On the plus side we are creating technologies and have the computing power at this point where we could analyze a virus or bacteria and have treatments and perhaps even cures much more quickly than before, though that would mean pharmaceutical companies admitting we have the tech to fix problems and not simply treat symptoms at exorbitant, wasteful cost. With the advent of DNA nanotech ( http://nextbigfuture.com/2014/04/summarizing-dna-nanotechnology.html ) we may even have the capacity to send in custom made defenses to deal with viruses or bacteria that otherwise seem intractable. At any rate I’m more worried about MSRA, a bacteria we already have here in the western world for which we have no way to treat that seems to dwell in our hospitals.

          • Ophelia Rump

            Current death rate in Africa is still over 50%. With the wild mutation rate, good luck trying to keep up with vaccination. Exponential spread. Deaths per day are doubling approximately weekly. Yes it could get worse if the fatality rate goes up or it becomes airborne. Two weeks incubation non contagious, where the infected can cross borders un-noticed, not all variants are detectable with current testing. One Week with symptoms and contagious. Time to vaccine production is approximately three months, by the time the vaccine is prepared expect another 300, 3000, or 30,000 mutations. The same for developing new diagnostic tests.

            Given exponential spread the time until deaths are in the thousands per day: one month.
            tens of thousands a day two months
            hundreds of thousands a day: three months.
            millions of deaths per day: four or five months.
            Given the current statistics, and unless the spread increases as nations crumble and conditions erode.

          • bachcole

            Before we all panic and run off to our survivalist bunkers and lock the door, notice that not everyone is getting sick. Even if 10,000 people have gotten the disease already, notice that the total population in the affected region is probably in the 100,000,000 neighborhood, by my rough estimate. Probably every single one of those 100,000,000 have walked past someone who had Ebola. That means that only one in 10,000 people actually get sick. Even if my estimates are wrong, we all know that very few people actually contract the disease.

            Someone also mentioned that the fatality rate for “normally healthy” people is 50% whereas for those living in impoverished areas it is 97%.

            So, here is my number one secret for avoiding catching this disease and a lot of other diseases. “Normally healthy” is not very healthy.

            I know not what others are going to do, but I already take about 6 grams of vitamin C everyday. I don’t wait until I get the sniffles or my neighbor gets Ebola.

            Most animals make their own vitamin C. The amount of vitamin C that their bodies make, if extrapolated to the average sized human being, is about 5.6 grams per day. Gorillas, who are rather large compared with the average human being (but not as cute), eat roughly 8 grams of vitamin C. Vitamin C, although it is almost a cliché, is greatly underrated, because, I guess, it is a cliché.

            But vitamin C is also very good for your arteries. Those nicks in your arterial walls that you hear about that accumulate cholesterol (which is your body’s attempt to save your life from a burst artery) is because of vitamin C deficiency, just like with scurvy, where arteries and veins in your gums break.

            Now, those of you who wish to continue genuflecting at the Altar of Modern Medicine and don’t wish to misplace your faith to “alternative medicine” can just ignore me and think about getting that bunker ready. But I have spent the past 45 years studying these things. I won’t be losing even a millisecond of sleep worrying about Ebola. Every lifestyle and dietary thing that I do, including but not limited to eating raw eggs, low carbs, no wheat, kefir, turmeric/curcumin, butter, raw milk, big salads, etc. etc. etc. is designed to build my health, and it works. You can build health, just like you can build muscles.

          • GreenWin

            !!

          • Paul

            Correcy, with a linear extrapolation all the world people would be affect in 2,1 years. I do not think that the developed countries would be in a better position, due to the few hospitals with isolating rooms, and the higher mobility. Moreover, panic would make collapse the world economy, with SARS, we saw a 30% fall in the stick market.

          • As you said earlier, there are indications that at least two weaponised (unstable, genetically modified) strains of ebola may have been widely and perhaps deliberately released within the African continent. If this is the case, and key workers in national health systems either become infected themselves, or stay away from work, your estimates may prove realistic. In the absolute worst case scenario, this might require a worldwide transport shutdown and fascistic control measures which have zero regard for ‘personal rights’, in order to ensure maximum survival rates.

            A few factors may mitigate the severity of an epidemic in developed countries: (a) death rate will vary among populations, with genetics, nutritional status (particularly availability of vitamin C) and population density becoming strong factors, (2) the instability of these strains may result in reduction rather than increase in death rates (3) better organisation of society should allow infection rates to be minimised through countermeasures designed to reduce contacts between people.

            While the dangers are possibly being exaggerated for political reasons, and for the potential profits of ‘big pharma’, they are very real, and everyone should be watching developments and perhaps thinking about the more obvious protective steps they may need to take.

          • Omega Z

            49’er
            There have been reports of medical personnel not showing for work,
            And in one instance, A Doctor claimed Not to be a Doctor when a patient showed up with symptoms.

            Their greatest fear is that it may become airborne. It then becomes a modern day plague. With no medical treatment or vaccines, it could be as bad as in the past.

          • psi2u2

            Hi Ryan, I agree that there are promising possible new treatments and vaccines. Against that are the epidemiological models that show how swiftly a disease like this can grow given modern international travel. In the past, epidemics stayed localized, killed locally, and burned themselves out. If this spreads even to Cairo then I think the whole world is under threat.

            All the things you mention are reasons to be optimistic that we might be able to contain this (and your concern with MRSA valid), but it would be better to bring those resources to bear as swiftly and completely as possible to aid Liberia, Sierra Leone, and other already affected countries, then to wait until the virus has started continent hopping. At that point the challenges of control will be exponentially increased.

      • apocolapsed

        The real problem is the North Korean EMP bomb hidden in a southerly orbit satellite that goes off over St Louis and takes out every integrated circuit in the United States. That’s going to really test one’s feelings about gun ownership.

        • Broncobet

          The threat from North Korea is regular artillery which they have tens of thousands and Seoul is well within range if we want to fight the North we’d have to move tens of millions of people first, even nukes wouldn’t be an effective weapon . North Korea sponsors counterfeiting of our currency ,which is an act of war, they also manufacture crank as do the Chinese.To say nothing of their atomic weapons. You would think we could convince the Chinese to restrain them but apparently not.

      • Broncobet

        In the sports world we have a bet called the over. I’m betting,a lot, on the under of your forecast. This is a serious matter but we won’t be surprised because we’ve been taught by our culture of the disease that turns people into vampires or any number of creatures. Rabies, the Plague, Malaria.

      • Broncobet

        You know I just realized my sister goes there all the time but she’s smart and maneuvers well . She goes to Guinea which is probably Ebola free, she hasn’t mentioned anything about it. Africa is a really big place and maybe it hasn’t hit there yet,. Hmm. I’ll ask .

  • psi2u2

    Not really. Notice how quick people have been to criticize Rossi for not giving away what he knows. To me this is exactly the correct pro-active move – to have their charitable vision already articulated before the money starts rolling in. Having viewed the McDonough videos, I don’t share the cynicism of some commentators.

    • GreenWin

      Right on target psi.

  • bachcole

    If and when goodXchange gains a large subscribership and credibility, they could suddenly say, “Oh, and by the way, cold fusion a la Andrea Rossi is true.”

    • Andy Kumar

      Talk about “take the long way home!!”

  • bachcole

    If and when goodXchange gains a large subscribership and credibility, they could suddenly say, “Oh, and by the way, cold fusion a la Andrea Rossi is true.”

    • Andy Kumar

      Talk about “take the long way home!!”

  • Paul

    Their website seems very poor, good for a small club initiative, not for a world energy revolution and/or invention. If they do not invest a little of money in a professional and impressive (with images!) website, where they hope to go? Moreover, why do not speak about energy if they want money for the E-Cat? I do not like very much who is not direct, especially when money is involved.

  • Paul

    Their website seems very poor, good for a small club initiative, not for a world energy revolution and/or invention. If they do not invest a little of money in a professional and impressive (with images!) website, where they hope to go? Moreover, why do not speak about energy if they want money for the E-Cat? I do not like very much who is not direct, especially when money is involved.

  • Justin Church

    And so it begins…Perhaps I should just drive up to the address and be like YO WHATS UP! I got this technology called the H-Cat I’m building in my workshop down the road from you. You Want In? lol…Good To Me : )

  • GreenWin

    !!

  • GreenWin

    A Bolla By Any Other Name

    In the darkest of dark age mythology when the hungry sheeple were hungry, restless, and angry – a haunting, reptilian image kept them cowering in their hovels. It was the terrifying visage of the drac, Lindworm, Wyvern, and in Albanian folklore the Bolla – serpentine dragons all.

    http://bit.ly/1tKoDRS

    The four legged small-winged Bolla slept throughout most a year but awakened (on St. George Day), peered into the world until it saw a human. It stalked and devoured the human, and finally went back to sleep. There are literally hundreds of dragon myths spanning the entirety of human history from China, Japan, India, Greece, Turkey, Russia, Europe and Americas. The dragon has roots as far back as ancient Near East, Canaanite, Hittite, Mesopotamia, with a fire breathing serpent appearing in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

    Modern myth finds the dragon adapted to science-fiction as the acid drooling horror in Alien, the giant worms of Dune, and Tremors, and the Basilisk of Harry Potter. Reptiles, worms, serpents and snakes occupy the most primitive of human fears.

    In a study published by Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, we learn that neurons in a very specific area of the brain—pulvinar neurons—in macaque monkeys responded selectively to images of snakes, and responded more quickly and strongly to snake images than to images of monkey faces and hands or geometric shapes.

    These findings “provide neuroscientific evidence in support of the Snake Detection Theory, which posits that the threat of snakes strongly influenced the evolution of the primate brain,” according to the study.(1)

    It is a curious entity that conjures up these reptilian fears in the face of its own fear… a fear perhaps of cats. The result sets the stage for something of an modern epic. Could it be a gargantuan battle between the E-Cat, and the E-Bolla??? Stay tuned folks.

    (1) http://www.pnas.org/content/110/47/19000.abstract

    • Andy Kumar

      Green,
      Finally you are on to something. In “Dragons of Eden”, Carl Sagan seriously postulated/speculated that our fear of reptiles is some kind of *genetic memory* left over from our days of fighting with the dinosaurs.
      I know the dinosaurs were long gone when we came by. But hey, Carl is the scientist. I am just skeptical by nature.

  • GreenWin

    A Bolla By Any Other Name

    In the darkest of dark age mythology when the hungry sheeple were hungry, restless, and angry – a haunting, reptilian image kept them cowering in their hovels. It was the terrifying visage of the drac, Lindworm, Wyvern, and in Albanian folklore the Bolla – serpentine dragons all.

    http://bit.ly/1tKoDRS

    The four legged small-winged Bolla slept throughout most a year but awakened (on St. George Day), peered into the world until it saw a human. It stalked and devoured the human, and finally went back to sleep. There are literally hundreds of dragon myths spanning the entirety of human history from China, Japan, India, Greece, Turkey, Russia, Europe and Americas. The dragon has roots as far back as ancient Near East, Canaanite, Hittite, Mesopotamia, with a fire breathing serpent appearing in the Epic of Gilgamesh.

    Modern myth finds the dragon adapted to science-fiction as the acid drooling horror in Alien, the giant worms of Dune, and Tremors, and the Basilisk of Harry Potter. Reptiles, worms, serpents and snakes occupy the most primitive of human fears.

    In a study published by Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, we learn that neurons in a very specific area of the brain—pulvinar neurons—in macaque monkeys responded selectively to images of snakes, and responded more quickly and strongly to snake images than to images of monkey faces and hands or geometric shapes.

    These findings “provide neuroscientific evidence in support of the Snake Detection Theory, which posits that the threat of snakes strongly influenced the evolution of the primate brain,” according to the study.(1)

    It is a curious entity that conjures up these reptilian fears in the face of its own fear… a fear perhaps of cats. The result sets the stage for something of an modern epic. Could it be a gargantuan battle between the E-Cat, and the E-Bolla??? Stay tuned folks.

    (1) http://www.pnas.org/content/110/47/19000.abstract

    • Andy Kumar

      Green,
      Finally you are on to something. In “Dragons of Eden”, Carl Sagan seriously postulated/speculated that our fear of reptiles is some kind of *genetic memory* left over from our days of fighting with the dinosaurs.
      I know the dinosaurs were long gone when we came by. But hey, Carl is the scientist. I am just skeptical by nature.

      • Broncobet

        Andy, I can’t believe you wrote that, I’m reading the post and I’m recalling the book also, wasn’t that a great book? I remember his theory was that the brain is built up in layers with the old reptilian part forming the center of the brain with modern parts wrapped around it.. I know that when I was younger and drifting off to sleep I would slip and be jolted awake and I often felt that was a holdover from when we were monkeys sleeping in the trees and about to fall and be jolted awake. I was once really drunk,I didn’t drink that much but I drank it quickly, a normal glass full of whiskey, my level was way beyond lethal .46 I remember thinking that I was a dinosoar, I was ruled by the ancient part of me.When the dinosoars walked the Earth our ancestors were little mouse like creatures whose natural enemies are snakes and snakes are reptiles. I’m Christian and attend church every week but I can’t understand why the preacher and others don’t understand evolution, the evidence is all around us. There is a word,I can’t think of it,but it means that after conception the fetus goes through all the stages of evolution that took us millions of years(billions really) before birth. So even ancient people should have realized this.The reason that people used to believe in dragons is that they found the bones of dinosoars and made a pretty good diagnosis, they were dragons. It’s kind of cool that the garden of eden had a snake as he would have been an ancient enemy, but when we became human the snake is really our friend as our cousins the mice and rats are our real enemies as they can eat all the grain in the world and snakes are a perfect ally.

        • Andy Kumar

          “There is a word, I can’t think of it, but it means that after conception the fetus goes through all the stages of evolution that took us millions of years(billions really) before birth”

          Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny.

          http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIC6aOntogeny.shtml

          • GreenWin

            Wonderful discussion gents. However, with regard to human evolution, seems there was an “intervention” of some sort about 15,000BC. Suddenly humans became self aware enough to engineer the remarkable artwork of Gobekli Tepe. Personally, I am wary of bees and spiders as multi-eyed hairy creatures freak me out, usually. And I keep a can of Raid under my bed.

          • bachcole

            What you said, GreenWin, assumes that awareness or consciousness is intellectual activity. This means that non-intellectual people are not conscious, in which case we can just off them like so many dogs and chickens. Also, if your assumption is correct, our observations (which is NOT an intellectual activity) of LENR or any other observation is not intellectual and is therefore not conscious. The more I think this through, the less I believe it. Even my dog is semi-conscious, or else loving her wouldn’t be so rewarding.

  • Broncobet

    In our ascent from single celled beings to where we are today in those billions of years we’ve met and survived many microbrial threats, my concern is that it doesn’t hurt the Africans too much, I say we are not in danger. We are sending troops and Bill Gates gave $50 million. The disease is like a living thing and it has its vulnerabilities also. Remember “War of the Worlds” the microbes saved us. These diseases kept Africa free from domination for centuries. We live in interesting times.