The Mouse Could be Inconel Wires (Hank Mills)

Andrea Rossi has described a version of the E-Cat he describes as the ‘mouse’ and ‘cat’ configuration, and that in the E-Cat are used in the recent Lugano test, the the mouse and cat are combined. Rossi has explained that in the mouse and cat configuration, a smaller internal mouse stimulates the nuclear reactions of a larger cat. However, approval statements he has made indicate that the inconel resistors of the E-Cat may likely actually be the mouse. There are many clues that make this probable.

For example:

  • Inconel wires are composed of a high percentage of nickel in addition to other elements.
  • The reactor shown in the test does not seem to have any other internal parts other than the resistor coils wound inside.
  • Rossi has said that only one kind of powder was used in this reactor.

    Please read my full article at PESN for more details here:

    Hank Mills

    • Pekka Janhunen

      I vaguely remember some AR earlier comment (probably spring 2013) that the mouse somehow exists “around” the cat. Whereas I don’t recall him saying that the mouse would be smaller than the cat. Then again, I may remember wrong.

      • Ged

        Very interesting observation by Hank! Suggests the wires are acting like Celani’s system. I do remember that too, Pekka, or at least that the mouse was smaller in mass, but was also fully part of the reactor and not some add on.

      • Giuliano Bettini

        I remember: the mouse is bigger, the cat is smaller (contrary to the real cats…).

      • Pekka Janhunen

        To remember “pedigree”, AFAIK the idea was first suggested by Peter (fortyniner).

      • LuFong

        Dear Ing. Rossi
        about the mouse: is it fixed inside the cat ?

        Warm regard

        Dear gio:

        No,it is not.

        Warm Regards,

        Rossi also says the cat and mouse are “well separated.” Of course all of this is Rossi-speak and difficult to nail down what he means with any certainty.

    • Gerard McEk

      The melt temperature of Inconel is between 1390 and 1425 deg. C. The temperature of the test was exactly at the border temperature. Francesco Celany uses specially treated constantan (also a nickel alloy) for his LENR test device and I beliieve MFMP are trying to replicate his findings. You can be right.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      One might ask why Rossi calls the “mouse” an “activator”, although it seems to be used as a deactivator as well:

      May 12th, 2013 at 8:04 AM

      “When the Activator is turned off the temperature rises, becauce the E-Cat is activated, when the Activator is turned on the temperature lowers, because the E-Cat goes off.”

      [I think “E-Cat” means the “cat” here.]

      December 29th, 2013 at 6:10 PM

      “[…] the temperature of the Cat raises when the Mouse is turned off, lowers when the Mouse is turned on.”

      My guess is that he did not want to describe a causal relationship between switching the mouse on and off and the activity of the cat. Rather it looks as if he meant that the mouse is switched off as soon as the cat becomes active, and switched on when the cat’s activity decreases. So the mouse would be indeed an activator, not a deactivator, which would fit Hank Mills’ hypothesis. Sometimes it looks as if Rossi had fun by bamboozling his readers.

      • Omega Z

        That is my take as well.
        As to Rossi speak, Most of the time, it is what it is. He often has trouble putting things in proper content. Tho Sometimes, he has a little fun with his followers. I don’t think so in this case.

    • GordonDocherty

      Arranged as a coil around the e-Cat, the wire can deliver heat and a strong electromagnetic field – with iron crystals in the e-Cat itself locally enhancing the electromagnetic field in their vicinity, this makes for a very interesting construction

      • GordonDocherty

        One more point – put the e-cat in a metal box, and you stop the internal magnetic field affecting machinery outside – and any outside magnetic fields feeding or dampening the reactions inside the e-Cat – in this case, the blue box container of the 1MW hot cat is seen to fulfill another role…

      • GordonDocherty

        According to my reckoning, it should be just about possible to build an “incandescent” e-Cat IR lightbulb – tungsten or Inconel wire inside which is an ultra-thin tube of e-Cat powder all nicely sealed into a vacuum. Power is then applied to the “lighbulb” via a light socket – only the output of this “lightbulb” is focused into a narrow beam – or even a spot – onto a collector (think solar cell for an infra-red Sun). “LEN-Bulbs” can then be mass produced in their millions, and become as easy-to-replace as a lightbulb (or lightbulb array) “lit” inside a box and focused on a collector. Startup/shutdown would then be the modern equivalent of the old valve radios that cackled into life as the valves warmed to operating temperature…

        • GordonDocherty

          TPVs are currently being developed for the capture of radiated waste heat from hot bodies – an ideal “collector”, if perfected :

          So, e-Cat output -> TPV – > electricity

        • psi2u2

          Wow. Now that’s a wild idea.

    • Paul Smith

      The inconel 625 wire inside the reactor has a resistivity that increases when the temperature increases up to about 650°C. But after that value, the resistivity decreases while temperature goes up. It means that after 650°C the heat generated by resistance greatily increase because the current goes up. This fact may increase the temperature toward high upper limits. So there is necessity of automatic controls to avoid meltings.

    • Omega Z

      Maybe it is the composite of the inconel wire.
      Nickel & ? ? ? produces COP 1.1

    • hempenearth

      Hope you got this Hank:
      “The coils of the reactor are made with a proptietary alloy, and the inconel is only a doped component of it”
      From the “Rossi, Angry that every stupidity get attention” post