Andrea Rossi Honors Sven Kullander With Plaque on 1 MW E-Cat Plant

Today I received the following message and image from Andrea Rossi:

“Dear Frank:
I send you the photo of the plate we applied to the 1 MW plant to day,: one year ago prof. Sven Kullander passed away. I would be glad if you publish it in your important blog.
Warmest Regards,
Andrea”

PHOTO KULLANDER PLATE ON 1 MW

It would have been nice to see the plaque mounted in its place of honor on the plant itself, but I don’t think we’ll see a picture of the plant until the testing has been completed and IH and the customer are satisfied with the performance.

Anyway, if the plant is a success, Sven Kullander will have secured a place in E-Cat history with this plaque. His early support of Rossi and his technology (along with his colleague and compatriot Hanno Essen) was important in giving credibility to Andrea Rossi’s claims.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    I got chills.

  • fact police

    Why is it “To Prof. Sven Kullander”? The text speaks of him in the 3rd person. That’s not what one would say *to* him.

    The second paragraph has a period where a comma might be expected (or a sentence fragment).

    Never-ending should have a hyphen.

    The type-setting is clumsy.

    Wouldn’t someone making a plaque take some care to have it proofread and to get it right?

    With the popularity of fake, photoshopped commemorative plaques (google it), I remain suspicious — not that a real plaque is all that significant.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Heh, I noticed that too. Pretty funny if they made it as part of a scam. But even a scam should grammar right, lol.

      • Oceans2014

        Frank you better confirm this before more posts go up – 1st look at the email Rossi sent you.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Oh, Rossi sent it all right. It’s on the Journal of Nuclear Physics. That’s not what I meant…

    • deleo77

      And why not say the team at Industrial Heat, instead of the Whole Team? The plaque has strange grammar and wording.

      • Sanjeev

        And all caps !
        Ideally it should start with “dedicated to the loving memory of xyz” instead to just “to xyz.”. Not nit picking like fact-police, but it looks like Rossi wrote it down and no one there could dare to correct the boss ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Ged

          I guess since I live in a historic area, I see a lot more plaques passively, but the “To xyz” variant is pretty common in my experience. Don’t know why that is confusing folks, guess I take it for granted, heh.

    • Ged

      Err. “To So and so” is completely normal for plaques, with “dedicated” being implied.

      Never-ending is not always hyphonated in American English these days. The plaque looks like many I’ve seen in person, in writing and unique typeset and style. Just need more experience in historic places. That “period” in the first sentence is odd, but there are no commas at all, and I’ve seen several plaques that similarly used only periods. It’s and old timely style, and not too unusual. Don’t know who made the plaque directly and their general style.

      • fact police

        I googled commemorative plaque, and clicked on images to get hundreds of examples. I didn’t find any that started with “To so and so”. Also sites that provide wording suggestions never suggest it. Can you point to actual examples?

        If there’s one place it’s appropriate to be pedantic, it’s on a commemorative plaque. But never-ending without the hyphen is rare even in informal writing.

        • ecatworld

          I think this is typical Rossi — with him English grammar and punctuation issues are to be expected ๐Ÿ™‚

        • Ged

          http://www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/wauchope_war_memorial_clock_tower/wauchope_war_memorial_clock_tower_b.jpg There’s one on a World War II memorial that uses that phrasing. Doesn’t get much more serious, memorial wise, than that.

          I agree, that the unhyphenated form is rare, but it exists. It also may indicate the inscriber is not a native English speaker.

          None the less, here’s the most important fact of all: Those who make a plaque have the right to write whatever they want on there. It really saddens me that people will complain on others styles when that’s a personal business sort of deal, and so incredibly, utterly, irrelevant to anything even remotely residing in the realm of “this is probably important in some vague way”.

    • If a plaque gets this much scrutiny imagine when the whole thing is revealed.

      • Fortyniner

        This is what happens when things go quiet. And we may have a year or so more like this to fill…

  • fact police

    Why is it “To Prof. Sven Kullander”? The text speaks of him in the 3rd person. That’s not what one would say *to* him.

    The second paragraph has a period where a comma might be expected (or a sentence fragment).

    Never-ending should have a hyphen.

    The type-setting is clumsy.

    Wouldn’t someone making a plaque take some care to have it proofread and to get it right?

    With the popularity of fake, photoshopped commemorative plaques (google it), I remain suspicious — not that a real plaque is all that significant.

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Heh, I noticed that too. Pretty funny if they made it as part of a scam. But even a scam should get the grammar right, lol.

    • deleo77

      And why not say the team at Industrial Heat, instead of the Whole Team? The plaque has strange grammar and wording.

      • Sanjeev

        And all caps !
        Ideally it should start with “dedicated to the loving memory of xyz” instead to just “to xyz.”. Not nit picking like fact-police, but it looks like Rossi wrote it down and no one there could dare to correct the boss ๐Ÿ˜€

        • Ged

          I guess since I live in a historic area, I see a lot more plaques passively, but the “To xyz” variant is pretty common in my experience. Don’t know why that is confusing folks, guess I take it for granted, heh.

    • Ged

      Err. “To So and so” is -completely- normal for memorial plaques, with “dedicated” being implied. Nothing weird about that what so ever.

      Never-ending is not always hyphenated in American English these days, even if the hyphen is the pendantucally correct form. The plaque looks like many I’ve seen in person, in writing and unique typeset and style. Just need more experience in historic places. That “period” in the first sentence is odd, but there are no commas at all, and I’ve seen several plaques that similarly used only periods. It’s an old timely style, and not too unusual. Don’t know who made the plaque directly and their general style.

      • fact police

        I googled commemorative plaque, and clicked on images to get hundreds of examples. I didn’t find any that started with “To so and so”. Also sites that provide wording suggestions never suggest it. Can you point to actual examples?

        If there’s one place it’s appropriate to be pedantic, it’s on a commemorative plaque. But never-ending without the hyphen is rare even in informal writing.

        • Frank Acland

          I think this is typical Rossi — with him English grammar and punctuation issues are to be expected ๐Ÿ™‚

          • Timar

            Using capital letters and periods only is a rather common reference to the acient Latin origin of such inscriptions (The Latin language knew neither minuscles, which originate from the Caroligian period, nor the comma. A period however regularly appeared in inscriptions as a word boundary).

            I’m not a native speaker but from my knowledge of English and other Indo-European languages I would assume that “neverending” is a slightly archaizing spelling, which would be in agreement with the typography. Modern English lost its propensity to form real composite words, so the hyphen is employed instead. Interestingly, in related Germanic languages that have retained the formation of composite words (e.g. German), the use of a hyphen in such a context would be considered poor style.

          • fact police

            Timar wrote:

            Using capital letters and periods only is a rather common reference to the acient Latin origin of such inscriptions

            Only if by “rather common”, you mean “extremely rare”. All caps is common enough, and I don’t believe it’s a nod to Latin. But using 11th century Latin punctuation in modern English is just silly. Latin had phrasing and words to indicate pauses not available in English. And regardless of how common or rare it is, most people will stumble over them, and think a mistake was made, and that’s not what you want in commemorative text.

            I’m not a native speaker but from my knowledge of English and other Indo-European languages I would assume that “neverending” is a slightly archaizing spelling, which would be in agreement with the typography.

            Your assumption would be wrong, at least according to Fowler, who says the trend is in the opposite direction.

          • Timar

            Using all capital letters in inscriptions is certainly not extremely rare but indeed rather common. I agree that using periods instead of commas is not quite as common, but I have seen quite a few inscriptions doing that (sorry if I don’t bother to search for such on the internet).

            Modern English hast definitely lost the propensity to form real composite words from inflected nouns. This is reflected by a general uncertainty about how to write composite-like words. Rules and preferences change over time. In the early modern English of Shakespeare (“Love asks me no questions, and gives me endless support”), one will rarely – if ever – encounter the hyphen.

            Anyway, I agree with Ged. It is silly to obsesss about such details.

          • fact police

            Timar wrote:

            Using all capital letters in inscriptions is certainly not extremely rare but indeed rather common.

            I said that.

            I agree that using periods instead of commas is not quite as common, but I have seen quite a few inscriptions doing that

            Not knowing you from Adam, your experience has little currency, especially as it is contrary to my own, in which I can’t recall seeing any, and in a look through a hundred or so examples on google images, I didn’t find any at all.

            Modern English hast definitely lost the propensity to form real composite words from inflected nouns.

            I hope you’ll understand if I accept Fowler’s copiously supported view in preference to your unsupported assertion.

            This is reflected by a general uncertainty about how to write composite-like words.

            You’d have to demonstrate a *change* in the uncertainty to reflect a change in the propensity.

            Rules and preferences change over time. In the early modern English of Shakespeare (“Love asks me no questions, and gives me endless support”), one will rarely – if ever – encounter the hyphen. ><

            That's not the view expressed on the British Library web site (www.bl.uk/learning/langlit/changlang/writtenword/shakespeare/shakeslang.html), which says Shakespeare "frequently used hyphenated compounds", and gave an example from King Lear:

            “A knave, a rascal, an eater of broken meats, a base proud, shallow, beggarly, three-suited, hundred-pound, fifthly-worsted-stocking knave; a lilly-livered, action-taking, whoreson glass-gazing super serviceable finical rogue, one-trunk-inheriting slave” (Act II, Scene II).

            As for “endless”, that’s not a compound word, and has never taken a hyphen. In the word “endless”, “-less” is a suffix, just like “-ing” (ending). (Look for the entry “-less” in the COD or OED: “suffix forming adjectives and adverbs from nouns, meaning not having…”)

        • Ged

          http://www.maritimequest.com/misc_pages/monuments_memorials/wauchope_war_memorial_clock_tower/wauchope_war_memorial_clock_tower_b.jpg There’s one on a World War II memorial that uses that phrasing. Doesn’t get much more serious, memorial wise, than that.

          I agree, that the unhyphenated form is rare, but it exists. It also may indicate the inscriber is not a native English speaker.

          None the less, here’s the most important fact of all: Those who make a plaque have the right to write whatever they want on there. It really saddens me that people will complain on others styles when that’s a personal business sort of deal, and so incredibly, utterly, irrelevant to anything even remotely residing in the realm of “this is probably important in some vague way”.

          • fact police

            Ged wrote:

            There’s one on a World War II memorial that uses that phrasing. Doesn’t get much more serious, memorial wise, than that.

            Still, it’s rare, and it’s less objectionable in reference to a collective, especially when it’s not followed by expository prose, but rather a quoted poetic sentiment.

            In Rossi’s plaque, it looks like a memo to Kullander. Not cool or dignified.

            I agree, that the unhyphenated form is rare, but it exists.

            Sure, but all sorts of things exist as graffiti on restroom walls that would be inappropriate on a commemorative plaque.

            It also may indicate the inscriber is not a native English speaker.

            Right, and that’s something a careful inscriber would try to avoid.

            None the less, here’s the most important fact of all: Those who make a plaque have the right to write whatever they want on there.

            Obviously, and no one was questioning anyone’s rights. I was questioning how seriously this was taken, given the impression it leaves. As such, it seemed plausible that it had not yet made it to the actual engraving stage.

            It really saddens me that people will complain on others styles when that’s a personal business sort of deal, and so incredibly, utterly, irrelevant to anything even remotely residing in the realm of “this is probably important in some vague way”.

            It *is* relevant. Commemorative text should be respectful, and as such, should lead the reader to think of what or who is being remembered. You don’t want to distract their attention by what they might perceive as errors, and you especially don’t want to make the meaning less transparent because it is poorly punctuated. You don’t want the reader to be preoccupied thinking you’re too lazy to ensure the thoughts are expressed in suitably formal and pedantically correct English.

          • Ged

            What you find “respectful” is subjective to you and the micro culture you find yourself in (compare Georgia to Massachusetts, and that is within the same country on the same coastline). I had none of those issues you list, nor do many of the folks here, and the plate beautifully serves its purpose well.

            Maybe it is a test run before a more permanent one, maybe not. It doesn’t change the price of tea in China either way.

            Thus, I completely and totally, respectfully disagree with your opinion and personal view on this one.

          • fact police

            Ged wrote:

            What you find “respectful” is subjective to you and the micro culture you find yourself in …

            Of course, but when one writes a commemorative text, it should be respectful in the view of the widest possible audience. It is self-evident that following the most pedantic and formal conventions will ensure this.

            I was only pointing out that it doesn’t look like a suitable amount of effort and consideration was put into it.

          • Ged

            And I point out the disagreement that real world examples show similar style commemorating subjects of far greater gravity. Not that your view is invalid at all, but I simply do not hold your view, or the idea that cold hearted, overly pedantic is remotely as virtuous as a personal style of sincerity. I find this more meaningful than the cookie-cutter, stuffier designs.

            We are just two different style, so I guess we must diverge in approach here, as such is the way of the wide world. Not a big issue in the slightest.

          • fact police

            Ged wrote:

            And I point out the disagreement that real world examples show similar style commemorating subjects of far greater gravity.

            The example you gave is not a similar style. The first word is the same, but It is eloquent, poetic, and pedantically correct and standard English, complete with a comma. Rossi’s is clumsy.

            or the idea that cold hearted, overly pedantic is remotely as virtuous as a personal style of sincerity.

            I did not advocate cold-hearted, or overly pedantic. I advocated the kind of English that is part of nearly every commemorative passage I’ve ever seen, and they are not cold-hearted or overly pedantic. Obvious errors in this context do not convey a personal charm or sincerity — they convey laziness.

          • Ged

            Again, your opinion and style, and I fully disagree with all of it and your analysis, without reserve.

    • bachcole

      I thought that Prof. Sven Kullander had gone to his reward.

    • If a plaque gets this much scrutiny imagine when the whole thing is revealed.

      • This is what happens when things go quiet. And we may have a year or so more like this to fill…

      • MLTC

        I think the plaque is the secret catalyst.

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    I hope this is just a draft send to people able to correct the grammar ๐Ÿ˜€

    • Teemu Soilamo

      A draft printed on a metal plaque?

      • Enrique Ferreyra

        I dont think thats a photo, looks like a computer generated image.

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Rossi refers to it as a “photo” in his message to Frank.

          Also, if it is a computer generated image, it is one doctored to look like a photo which in itself would be suspicious.

          • clovis ray

            Sometimes, I use the word photo as a generic, meaning picture, my grammar is none existent, thank God for spell check, lol, and I forget that a lot of folks are translating to their language, will try too do better, smile,

        • bachcole

          I looked a second time, and it very well could be a computer generated image. Perhaps Rossi is hoping that we will critique it and proofread it.

          • I put it in photoshop and the letters in the center have more light (I gotta get a hobby) bouncing off them like it would from a photo of a plaque. Looks real.

  • Gerard McEk

    Indeed, this looks positive for the 1 MW plant. Kullander was one of the first to witness and report on the operation of the Ecat in 2011, I believe. It was a couragious deed for which he was agressively criticized. A good fellow!

  • Matt

    To honor someone? This thing ist an insult, obviously done by the cheapest Mr. Minit in town.

  • Asterix

    The printing of the dedication is pretty awkward. Periods (full stop) used where commas are needed, uneven kerning and awkward phrasing just doesn’t do such a dedication justice.

    And why not name the entire team? Not doing so slights them.

    • Ged

      Suddenly everyone and their mothers are experts in plaques/inscriptions? Time for a graveyard field trip!

      • Asterix

        I don’t live far from a graveyard and walk through it frequently.

        The graveyard stuff is either cast bronze or chiseled into stone. The blasted inscriptions can be amazing–my father’s gravestone is one such.

        If this item is real and not CGI, it’s screen printing over brushed stainless steel. It’s possible to make this stuff look wonderful; obviously, Rossi and Co. didn’t think enough of Kullander to provide a first-rate plaque. And, as all screen-printing goes, it’s not very permanent.

        I suggest that you take a trip to a local trophy maker’s shop to see what can be done. Or visit a monument maker’s web site.

        • Sanjeev

          Its engraved and filled with black.
          If you download the above picture, (it is hi-res) and zoom in, you will see the engraving.
          Actually the photo is too perfect, the letters are exactly vertical and the lines are exactly horizontal. Its cropped perfectly. There is no blur or shaky hand effect. There is no perspective. You will need to see it very carefully to know that its not made in photoshop.
          A photo of it mounted on the plant would be nice.

          • Ged

            Actually, Sanjeev, I took the picture into a photo editor and measured the distance from the edges to the holes — the image is crooked and not straight, but tilting down towards the right. The plaque itself appears to be slightly curved? But really hard to say if the tilt is a curve in the plaque or our perspective. Also in the reflection, you can see a tripod that is slightly off center, which would explain the tilting effect of the plaque due to the image angle.

            The lines of text are also not all the same angle. Particularly the “Royal Academy of Science” line is at a different angle than the lines below it. Or so it all appears to my editor.

          • I agree – I think it’s real. If you look at most of the ‘blank plaque’ images with screw holes on Google, the ‘holes’ are always copies of one another as you’d expect with a photoshop job. Rossi’s plaque has individuated screw holes that even indicate the direction of illumination. It was probably done by some local outfit more used to making plaques saying ‘Boiler Room – No Entry For Unauthorised Personnel’ or ‘Ear Protection Required Beyond This Point’.

          • Sanjeev

            I agree, there are tiny clues that show that its not a photoshop work. Although it can be easily made in photoshop by using a photo of blank plaque, just add text. (Google image search for blank metal plaque).

            But why publish a picture which introduces doubts in the minds of ordinary readers ?(and pathoskeps, especially). A picture of Rossi holding the plaque or it lying on the table etc would have looked more natural.

        • Ged

          To be fair, it’s being put on an industrial plant that in no way shape or form qualifies for the “permanence” award. It doesn’t look super cheap (it ain’t plastic from Wall-Mart at least!), but it doesn’t look that expensive. But so what, either way? It’s a touching thought and that’s all that matters. If the plant does turn out to work right, maybe it will one day be a collector’s item for as long as its short span lasts (if you are correct about the quality, which you probably are). But I doubt it.

          Memorials are never for the dead, only for the living as a call to reflect.

          It’s cool you get to see such monuments frequently. They always bring a sense perspective to me, of the vastness of time and experience beyond oneself.

          • Asterix

            Since this is S/N 1, perhaps a better plaque could eventually be installed.

            For example:

            http://www.architecturalbronze.com/cast_bronze_plaques.htm

            It’s sort of steampunk, as you can frequently see cast nameplates on old machinery.

          • Ged

            Oh man, that is awesome. I would love to see something like that, made. It would be surprisingly fitting given the steam making nature of power plants. Great link!

  • Jack T.

    I got the MacGuyver award at the place I worked. Then the government shut us down. It’s not over until the fat lady sings!

    Besides I don’t trust the Swedes. Take a look at minute 2 of this video below…

    http://edition.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/10/27/cnni-scientist-gets-nobel-for-advanced-microscope.cnn.html

    Here’s a guy who gets a nobel for something very legitimate but turns it around to plug his 3D imaging video. Minute 2 is very important because it shows how his system works. The cameras are set up at 0 and 90 degrees. Everything in between 0 and 90 is filled in with Disney Pixar Dreamworks movie magic!

    This video is proof that legitimate credentials backed by Swedish reputation can be used to create a snow job.

    • GreenWin

      Jack, you sound kinda bitter. There’s nothing here that indicates “Swedes” are untrustworthy. Or that the Nobel was wrongfully bestowed. Or that the video does not demonstrate the microscopes. But congrats on the MacGuyver award and fie on the government that shut you down. What business were you in?

      • Jack T.

        I am kinda bitter. I shouldn’t be working right now. I was promised a bone to chew on during the feast and at the 11th hour the government came in and started a frivolous lawsuit.

        To the untrained eye there is nothing wrong with this picture. Take a look at the nobel documentation. He got the nobel for something completely different than what you see in the video. He hijacks this certification and makes wild claims about his 3D imaging capabilities.

        • GreenWin

          Hey Jack, I think many here can understand bitterness at government for quashing great ideas and inventions. That is what the LENR paradigm will help end. For too long (since Eisenhower spelled it out for us) innovation and invention has been held hostage by the mil/industrial complex. LENR may shine a light on this den of iniquity.

      • Jack T.

        There is a naive view in this forum about the government. Everyone assumes they are the friend of the small independent entrepreneur inventor who creates something good for society. Everyone assumes that if the benefit is enormous enough it will prevail.

        Anyway the question is not what business I was/am in. I shouldn’t really talk about it anyway because the matter is still being hashed out in court by lawyers. Besides every situation is different. The question is what business is Rossi in?? Why does he need to create a plaque to the person who is in charge of external QA to thank him for being an integral part of verifying that his invention is real??? What value added is it to Rossi or the project can I ask? If Rossi knows it is real and he is in bed with his big huge private investors (IH et al) what is his/their motive here?

    • Teemu Soilamo

      Dude, Swedes are like the most trustworthy people on the planet. Well, maybe after Finns. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • bachcole

        People farther from the Equator tend to be more structured. Perhaps because mistakes can be fatal. People closer to the Equator tend to be more expressive. Perhaps because they have and eat hotter food.

        (:->) Another gem of wisdom from bachcole.

  • Bjorn

    Also it is called “The Swedish Royal Academy of Science(s), plural.

  • Sanjeev

    Small things like this make the 1MW plant more solid and real, I feel.
    If its ready for this plate, it must be almost ready for the customer?

    • bachcole

      Yes, those of us who already believe get just another good feeling. Those who disbelieve will get nothing out of it except another irk at Rossi for trying to fool us.

      I find it interesting that people get irked at Rossi when commercial advertising LIE MASSIVELY on every single package that is sold to the public, and yet there is no outcry whatsoever.

      Did you know that most of the controls and displays on washing machines, driers and such are bogus? Is anyone complaining? NO. Is the government doing anything about it? NO. Yet these LIES generate massive amounts of money, and poor Rossi gets the shaft.

      • Billy Jackson

        what! you believe that sign is real! its fake i tell you.. Photoshop! just another con by the man! ๐Ÿ˜› (/joke)

  • Sanjeev

    Small things like this make the 1MW plant more solid and real, I feel.
    If its ready for this plate, it must be almost ready for the customer?

    • bachcole

      Yes, those of us who already believe get just another good feeling. Those who disbelieve will get nothing out of it except another irk at Rossi for trying to fool us.

      I find it interesting that people get irked at Rossi when commercial advertising LIE MASSIVELY on every single package that is sold to the public, and yet there is no outcry whatsoever.

      Did you know that most of the controls and displays on washing machines, driers and such are bogus? Is anyone complaining? NO. Is the government doing anything about it? NO. Yet these LIES generate massive amounts of money, and poor Rossi gets the shaft.

      • Billy Jackson

        what! you believe that sign is real! its fake i tell you.. Photoshop! just another con by the man! ๐Ÿ˜› (/joke)

  • alset

    An what happens with Focardi ?

    Maybe Rossi is already preparing the road for the Nobel prize?

  • alset

    An what happens with Focardi ?

    Maybe Rossi is already preparing the road for the Nobel prize?

  • guga

    The fact that the English on the plate might be imperfect combined with the fact that Rossi is Italian makes the whole thing pretty credible. ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Italians have the interesting tendency to create signs and prints in foreign languages that are so badly translated that they are difficult or sometimes impossible to understand if you don’t read the Italian original. Especially true for German translations. I always wonder why they would not pay a tourist a beer for correcting the text before investing in a nice sign or plaque.

    • Fortyniner

      Fortunately the English is not quite that bad, and it’s nice that the words appear to be Rossi’s own.

  • C. Kirk

    Perfect! another is ,of course , needed for Prof. Focardi

    • clovis ray

      C. Kirk,
      hey Dr. R, must have heard you, the plaque is on it way, smile

  • guga

    The fact that the English on the plate might be imperfect combined with the fact that Rossi is Italian makes the whole thing pretty credible. ๐Ÿ˜‰
    Italians have the interesting tendency to create signs and prints in foreign languages that are so badly translated that they are difficult or sometimes impossible to understand if you don’t read the Italian original. Especially true for German translations. I always wonder why they would not pay a tourist a beer for correcting the text before investing in a nice sign or plaque.

    • Fortunately the English is not quite that bad, and it’s nice that the words appear to be Rossi’s own. Shame about the misplaced full stops where there should have been commas – perhaps a couple of felt tip amendments might be in order.

  • C. Kirk

    Perfect! another is ,of course , needed for Prof. Focardi

    • clovis ray

      C. Kirk,
      hey Dr. R, must have heard you, the plaque is on it way, smile

  • Teemu Soilamo

    A draft printed on a metal plaque?

  • GreenWin

    Congratulations Dr. Kullander and other supporters from Uppsala University. LENR technology continues to roll out across the planet due to the steadfast work of early adopters and visionary academics like Dr. Kullander.

  • GreenWin

    Congratulations Dr. Kullander and other supporters from Uppsala University. LENR technology continues to roll out across the planet due to the steadfast work of early adopters and visionary academics like Dr. Kullander.

  • GreenWin

    Jack, you sound kinda bitter. There’s nothing here that indicates “Swedes” are untrustworthy. Or that the Nobel was wrongfully bestowed. Or that the video does not demonstrate the microscopes. But congrats on the MacGuyver award and fie on the government that shut you down. What business were you in?

    • Jack T.

      I am kinda bitter. I shouldn’t be working right now. I was promised a bone to chew on during the feast and at the 11th hour the government came in and started a frivolous lawsuit.

      To the untrained eye there is nothing wrong with this picture. Take a look at the nobel documentation. He got the nobel for something completely different than what you see in the video. He hijacks this certification and makes wild claims about his 3D imaging capabilities.

      • GreenWin

        Hey Jack, I think many here can understand bitterness at government for quashing great ideas and inventions. That is what the LENR paradigm will help end. For too long (since Eisenhower spelled it out for us) innovation and invention has been held hostage by the mil/industrial complex. LENR may shine a light on this den of iniquity.

  • Observer

    Andrea would not have dedicated this plant to Dr. Kullander unless the plant was an unmitigated success.

    Focardi’s tribute will be of an entirely different nature.

    • bachcole

      Duh!!! I didn’t think of that. This says pretty clearly that the plant is a success.

      • Teemu Soilamo

        Rossi refers to it as a “photo” in his message to Frank.

        Also, if it is a computer generated image, it is one doctored to look like a photo which in itself would be suspicious.

        • clovis ray

          Sometimes, I use the word photo as a generic, meaning picture, my grammar is none existent, thank God for spell check, lol, and I forget that a lot of folks are translating to their language, will try too do better, smile,

      • Teemu Soilamo

        Andrea Rossi
        January 26th, 2015 at 3:27 PM
        John:
        The plaque has been written by an English mother language Professor.
        I suppose he has chosen that kind of punctuation for a stylistic choice, as you correctly write. About the โ€œSwedish Royal Academy of Scienceโ€ I think is not uncorrect.
        You are right about the proposal to put a plaque also for Prof. Sergio Focardi. Itโ€™s on its way.
        About the photos of the plant, I already answered and I sympathise your will.
        Warm Regards,
        A.R.

      • Brian.

        Not until the customer signs the contract as agreed!

      • I put it in photoshop and the letters in the center have more light (I gotta get a hobby) bouncing off them like it would from a photo of a plaque. Looks real.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      I think it was the journalist David Hackworth who correctly predicted that a war (I forget which one) was about to begin because the trucks bringing the chocolate bars were
      arriving. Are we close to an announcement?

  • Observer

    Andrea would not have dedicated this plant to Dr. Kullander unless the plant was an unmitigated success.

    Focardi’s tribute will be of an entirely different nature.

    • bachcole

      Duh!!! I didn’t think of that. This says pretty clearly that the plant is a success.

      • Brian.

        Not until the customer signs the contract as agreed!

        • bachcole

          You are right, so Rossi sent us an implication, or an update about how things are going. (:->) If I was the competition, I would be trembling in my boots.

    • clovis ray

      oops, lol, Observer, looks like we missed that one, Focardi gets a plaque, I think you and I had higher ideas, to honor Dr. focardi, one should not assume, anything when dealing with someone who has genius, intellect, and wit. because most live on the fringe of reality, and may say or do things that may sound or look unusual, the noble prize has Dr.Rossi’s name all over it,,,,, smile.

    • Alan DeAngelis

      I think it was the journalist David Hackworth who correctly predicted that a war (I forget which one) was about to begin because the trucks bringing the chocolate bars were
      arriving. Are we close to an announcement?

  • Observer

    Gate Keepers who open the gate to LENR should be celebrated for their courage and good judgement.

  • Observer

    Gate Keepers who open the gate to LENR should be celebrated for their courage and good judgement.

  • Curbina

    A really nice gesture, that plaque should include some other names, but I think Kulander was pivotal in the sense that was the first non LENR scientist to really pay attention to Rossi.

  • Curbina

    A really nice gesture, that plaque should include some other names, but I think Kulander was pivotal in the sense that was the first non LENR scientist to really pay attention to Rossi.

    • fact police

      According to a footnote in one of Stephan Pomp’s posts (see stephanpomp.blogspot.se/2014/05/rossi-affaren-i-p1-en-kommentar.html) Kullander has been involved in LENR in some form for some time. Here’s a google translation of the footnote:

      “notes:

      [1] Sven Kullander has for many years supported Hidetsugu Ikegami and his research into what they call chemonuclear merger, see eg page 3 of this document and the last paragraph in a text Hanno Essen. This research was financially supported by, among others Energy Agency (see here and here). Project Officer for P20628-1 (see report EFA-05/2, “Observation of enormously enhanced nuclear fusion in metallic Li Liquid” and EFA-05/3) at Energy Agency was, incidentally, Lars Tegner (one of the co-authors of the controversial arXiv report) which later became honorary doctorate (2008) at Uppsala University.”

      • Curbina

        I knew that, but he was not a LENR researcher as, for example, McKubre, Ahern, Hagelstein or Schwarz.

      • GreenWin

        The only controversy to the arXiv report is from a couple angry profs at Uppsala University. It has led to direct investment in LENR from a half dozen nations and dozens of commercial corporations.

  • Ged

    Suddenly everyone and their mothers are experts in plaques/inscriptions? Time for a graveyard field trip!

    • Asterix

      I don’t live far from a graveyard and walk through it frequently.

      The graveyard stuff is either cast bronze or chiseled into stone. The blasted inscriptions can be amazing–my father’s gravestone is one such.

      If this item is real and not CGI, it’s screen printing over brushed stainless steel. It’s possible to make this stuff look wonderful; obviously, Rossi and Co. didn’t think enough of Kullander to provide a first-rate plaque. And, as all screen-printing goes, it’s not very permanent.

      I suggest that you take a trip to a local trophy maker’s shop to see what can be done. Or visit a monument maker’s web site.

      • Sanjeev

        Its engraved and filled with black.
        If you download the above picture, (it is hi-res) and zoom in, you will see the engraving.
        Actually the photo is too perfect, the letters are exactly vertical and the lines are exactly horizontal. Its cropped perfectly. There is no blur or shaky hand effect. There is no perspective. You will need to see it very carefully to know that its not made in photoshop.
        A photo of it mounted on the plant would be nice.

        • Ged

          Actually, Sanjeev, I took the picture into a photo editor and measured the distance from the edges to the holes — the image is crooked and not straight, but tilting down towards the left. The plaque itself appears to be slightly curved. Also in the reflection, you can see a tripod that is slightly off center, which would explain the tilting effect of the plaque due to the image angle.

          The lines of text are also not all the same angle. Particularly the “Royal Academy of Science” line is at a different angle than the lines below it. Or so it all appears to my editor.

          • Fortyniner

            It was probably done by some local outfit more used to making plaques saying ‘Boiler Room – No Entry For Unauthorised Personnel’ or ‘Ear Protection Required Beyond This Point’.

          • Sanjeev

            I agree, there are tiny clues that show that its not a photoshop work. But why publish a picture which introduces doubts in the minds of ordinary readers (and pathoskeps, especially). A picture of Rossi holding the plaque or it lying on the table etc would look more natural.

      • Ged

        To be fair, it’s being put on a industrial plant that in no way shape or form qualifies for the “permanence” award. It doesn’t look super cheap (it ain’t plastic from Wall-Mart at least!), but it doesn’t look that expensive. But so what, either way? It’s a touching thought and that’s all that matters. If the plant does turn out to work right, maybe it will one day be a collector’s item for as long as its short span lasts (if you are correct about the quality, which you probably are). But I doubt it.

        Memorials are never for the dead, only for the living as a call to reflect.

        It’s cool you get to see such monuments frequently. They always bring a sense perspective to me, of the vastness of time and experience beyond oneself.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Dude, Swedes are like the most trustworthy people on the planet. Well, maybe after Finns. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    • bachcole

      People farther from the Equator tend to be more structured. Perhaps because mistakes can be fatal. People closer to the Equator tend to be more expressive. Perhaps because they have and eat hotter food.

      (:->) Another gem of wisdom from bachcole.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    A little premature, perhaps? Mr. Rossi has said several times that the 1 Megawatt reactor may succeed or may fail the one-year test.. Having a failed reactor dedicated to you might be seen as a negative by a sensitive person. Most former Swedish Vikings such as Professor Kullander have been pacified and are now sensitive people, so if the machine fails the dedication may end up hurting his feelings.

    Of course if Mr. Rossi already knows the test is successful, then it’s a different story. However if he already knows it’s passed the test with no serious problem, then why wouldn’t he tell us?

    • Teemu Soilamo

      If it fails, nobody outside of IH will ever see it.

  • Fibber McGourlick

    A little premature, perhaps? Mr. Rossi has said several times that the 1 Megawatt reactor may succeed or may fail the one-year test.. Having a failed reactor dedicated to you might be seen as a negative by a sensitive person. Most former Swedish Vikings such as Professor Kullander have been pacified and are now sensitive people, so if the machine fails the dedication may end up hurting his feelings.

    Of course if Mr. Rossi already knows the test is successful, then it’s a different story. However if he already knows it’s passed the test with no serious problem, then why wouldn’t he tell us?

    • Teemu Soilamo

      If it fails, nobody outside of IH will ever see it.

      • Fibber McGourlick

        Whatever the outcome, I’ve seen the plaque and you’ve seen it. Everyone here and on the other Lenr sites have or will see it. It will be on the Internet forever for the rest of the world to to look at .

        • Teemu Soilamo

          Yeah, whatever. I think the foremost issue on most people’s minds at that point would be not the plaque but, oh I don’t know, the PLANT FAILING. ๐Ÿ˜›

          • Fibber McGourlick

            Things fail amd tthings come and go, but a plaque on the Internet is forever.

          • How many more times are you gong to repeat the words ‘fail’ or ‘failing’ in your posts, I wonder?

          • Teemu Soilamo

            Are you accusing me of having an agenda? Because in that case your instincts are dead wrong. I want this thing to work.
            In case you’re wondering why I used those particular words, ‘Mr. Detective’…

            A. It is irrelevant to Prof. Kullander’s reputation or ‘feelings’ if a not-working reactor is dedicated him, because it will also be ‘not-seen’ by anobody.
            B. Again, the hypothetical case of the plant not working (i.e., failing, oh snap there it is again!) would be worse in and of itself than there being a plaque attached to it that prematurely celebrates its success.

          • “I want this thing to work.” – that’s good to hear. You did seem to be placing rather a lot of emphasis on the negative part of ‘positive or negative’ though.

          • Teemu Soilamo

            No, that’s not right. I was not speculating WHETHER or not it works, but I’m leaving it at that.

          • clovis ray

            Teemu
            Your new here, so take it easy, with the personal attacks, their not tolerated, you seem to be more intelligent than that.

          • Teemu Soilamo

            I’m not really new, but fair enough. It wasn’t appropriate.

          • GreenWin

            Teemu. LENR already works and has “worked” since 1989 when Pons and Fleischmann announced. True or not your posts drip with envy; a thin veneer over a rueful skeptic.

        • It’s perhaps a shame that Rossi commits the technology to the tag, ‘LENR’. No avoiding the ‘nuclear’ word now, unless ‘nucleonic’ is quietly substituted.

  • Barbierir

    It is obviously a graphic rendering and not the actual plaque on the plant, I hope the final product will be improved

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Andrea Rossi
    January 26th, 2015 at 3:27 PM
    John:
    The plaque has been written by an English mother language Professor.
    I suppose he has chosen that kind of punctuation for a stylistic choice, as you correctly write. About the โ€œSwedish Royal Academy of Scienceโ€ I think is not uncorrect.
    You are right about the proposal to put a plaque also for Prof. Sergio Focardi. Itโ€™s on its way.
    About the photos of the plant, I already answered and I sympathise your will.
    Warm Regards,
    A.R.

    • AlbertNN

      From the homepage of the academy:

      The Academy in brief

      Objectives

      The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences is an independent organisation whose overall objective is to promote the sciences and strengthen their influence in society.

    • clovis ray

      Thanks, Teemu.

  • AlbertNN

    I am surprised it is mentioned as “the first”. Did not Rossi heat a factory before, and has claimed to sell and deliver at least one 1 MW container to one or more secret customers?

    • Teemu Soilamo

      I don’t think that was really ready for primetime.

    • Heath

      I believe this is the first from IH after extensive R&D. I believe Rossi thought his design was production ready, but IH brought in a team after purchasing the rights to improve it, likely for multiple reasons. So this is a new animal altogether. A lot of people can’t seem to make the timeline distinction between when Rossi was going at it nearly alone and when IH bought the rights in 2012 and brought in a team. You can always point back to a “Rossi says…” in the past, but remember Darden and Vaughn have also made limited statements since. This plant is of all of their effort.

    • Omega Z

      THIS FIRST INDUSTRIAL PLANT WORKING WITH LENR TECHNOLOGY

      This is pretty specific. It is not heating a facility that belongs to Rossi. It is not an E-cat Plant in some Naval Research Lab. It is working in an Industrial customers facilities.

      • AlbertNN

        The former claim was that Rossi used a LENR E-cat to heat his factory in Ferrara, Italy. Which is an industrial, and not domestic or military, use of the technology in my understanding of the word.

        • GreenWin

          Al, you’re barking up an old tree. With India’s Academies of Sciences clearly endorsing Rossi and LENR technology, outdated ad hom attacks become infantile.

          • AlbertNN

            I am just trying to treat the subject seriously, and that’s why I try to understand the statements of one of the primary proponents.

  • clovis ray

    I see nothing wrong with this very honorable plaque, and that it would be more important if Dr. Rossi , had personally made it,

    • The language is certainly Rossi’s, and it does strike a very personal note.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    I don’t think that was really ready for primetime.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    Yeah, whatever. I think the foremost issue on most people’s minds at that point would be not the plaque but, oh I don’t know, the PLANT FAILING. ๐Ÿ˜›

    • Fortyniner

      How many times re you gong to repeat the words ‘fail’ or ‘failing’ in your posts, I wonder?

      • Teemu Soilamo

        Are you accusing me of having an agenda? Because in that case your instincts are dead wrong. I want this thing to work.

        • Fortyniner

          That’s good to hear. You did seem to be placing rather a lot of emphasis on the negative part of ‘positive or negative’ though.

          • Teemu Soilamo

            No, that’s not right. I was not speculating WHETHER or not it works, but I’m leaving it at that.

        • clovis ray

          Teemu
          Your new here, so take it easy, with the personal attacks, their not tolerated, you seem to be more intelligent than that.

          • Teemu Soilamo

            I’m not really new, but fair enough. It wasn’t appropriate.

        • GreenWin

          Teemu. LENR already works and has “worked” since 1989 when Pons and Fleischmann announced. True or not your posts drip with envy; a thin veneer over a rueful skeptic.

  • Daniel Maris

    First commercial might be more accurate…or closer to the truth. But come on, don’t be hard-hearted.

  • Observer

    Did anyone else notice that this plate is curved? (Look at the screw holes and lighting.)

    The image has been cropped smaller than the actual plate.

    • Ged

      It is definitely tilted. I measured it in a photo editor and the left side is tilting away from the observer relative to the right. There appears to be an off center reflection of a tripod near the bottom center of the plaque, which would explain the angle. So, the plaque may actually be straight, or it may be curved, it depends on if that apparent tripod was the source of the image and the angle it was at and the distance it was taken. It is really too hard to tell other than that the plaque is moving away from our view towards the left.

    • Fortyniner

      Well observed – that does seem likely, although it’s also possible that the camera was very close to the plate, meaning that the screw holes would appear noticeably off-axis. If that’s the case then I suppose that might indicate a vertically oriented cylinder (multi-tube vertical boiler?) but could just as easily mean a piece of curved protective casing or similar. All a bit tenuous though.

      • US_Citizen71

        I work as a photographer, the curved look is due to lens distortion. The image was cropped to make its perfect square shape. It appears to have been taken in an office with an entire wall of windows. An overhead fluorescent light can be seen reflecting on the bottom of the image. It appears the photographer was standing in front shooting hand held. What is likely another person is the shadow in the reflection on the right. There are no screws mounting it so my guess that plaque was sitting on an easel facing an office window. It could have been taken anywhere.

  • Observer

    Did anyone else notice that this plate is curved? (Look at the screw holes and lighting.)

    The image has been cropped smaller than the actual plate.

    • Ged

      It is definitely tilted. I measured it in a photo editor and the left side is tilting towards the observer relative to the right. There appears to be an off center reflection of a tripod near the bottom center of the plaque, which would explain the angle. So, the plaque may actually be straight, or it may be curved, it depends on if that apparent tripod was the source of the image and the angle it was at and the distance it was taken. It is really too hard to tell other than that the plaque is moving away from our view towards the right.

    • It’s also possible that the camera was very close to the plate, meaning that the screw holes would appear noticeably off-axis because of the perspective. The light distribution, suggestive of a curved shape, might also result from the use of a single shrouded light source (desk lamp?) placed too close to the top centre of the plaque, and reflecting off the horizontal ‘brushing’ of the s/s surface. The reflections in the countersinking of the screw holes triangulate on a light source position only inches above the plaque (less than 1/3 of the visible plaque height).

      It seems to me that the plaque would most likely be mounted on the outside of the container, possibly on the door. In this case it would of course be flat. However, if the plaque really is curved, that might suggest a vertically oriented cylinder (multi-tube vertical boiler?) but could just as easily mean a piece of curved protective casing or similar. All very tenuous, but we don’t seem to have much else to speculate on at the moment!

      • US_Citizen71

        I work as a photographer, the curved look is due to lens distortion. The image was cropped to make its perfect square shape. It appears to have been taken in an office with an entire wall of windows. An overhead fluorescent light can be seen reflecting on the bottom of the image. It appears the photographer was standing in front shooting hand held. What is likely another person is the shadow in the reflection on the right. There are no screws mounting it so my guess that plaque was sitting on an easel facing an office window. It could have been taken anywhere.

  • kdk

    I guess camaraderie among the sane people in science is one good thing about it being dominated by stick-in-the-mud numpties.

  • kdk

    Camaraderie among the open-minded and intelligent people in science is one good thing that happens when progress is slowed by habitual thinking.

  • LilyLover

    Thank you Dr. Rossi for meeting and exceeding every humane-professionalism metric.

  • LilyLover

    Thank you Dr. Rossi for meeting and exceeding every humane-professionalism metric.

  • Andrew Hurley

    ๐Ÿ˜€

  • Heath

    I believe this is the first from IH after extensive R&D. I believe Rossi thought his design was production ready, but IH brought in a team after purchasing the rights to improve it, likely for multiple reasons. So this is a new animal altogether. A lot of people can’t seem to make the timeline distinction between when Rossi was going at it nearly alone and when IH bought the rights in 2012 and brought in a team. You can always point back to a “Rossi says…” in the past, but remember Darden and Vaughn have also made limited statements since. This plant is of all of their effort.

  • bachcole

    The picture above, given to us by the most important inventor of our times, implies that the E-Cat mega-watt generator is real and working as hoped and expected, whether the picture is photo-shopped or a real plaque.

  • Steve H

    News must be slack if we can debate about this! (NB. Meant as a joke).

  • Steve H

    News must be slack if we can debate about this! (NB. Meant as a joke).

    The plaque is a nice touch, from noble minds.

  • LucaS

    Grande Andrea!

  • R101

    That’s a very nice thing to do. What’s also nice is that Andrea reached out to Frank, and ultimately the rest of us followers, and asked for this article to be posted. I think it proves that he follows e-catworld also.

  • Ged

    Oh man, that is awesome. I would love to see something like that, made. It would be surprisingly fitting given the steam making nature of power plants. Great link!

  • Jon

    The plaque seems to be real, engraved by a computerized plotter, then letters where filled with black paint (even not equally, some letters are a little bit thiker), and finally brushed to remove excess paint, and polish. If you notice there is a reflection of something at the bottom of the image, in the center. Is there any photoshop expert capable of letting the reflected object come in better evidence (filters, contrast, brightness, etc)? I am not an expert in graphics, but really I can’t think the image is not the picture of a real plaque. The style (punctuation) is the commonly used in commemorative plaques.
    Ciao
    Jon

  • Fortyniner

    The language is certainly Rossi’s, and it does strike a very personal note.

  • Fortyniner

    It’s perhaps a shame that Rossi commits the technology to the tag, ‘LENR’. No avoiding the ‘nuclear’ word now, unless ‘nucleonic’ is quietly substituted.

  • Bernie777
  • Bernie Koppenhofer
    • Timar

      Err… it’s just a forum post reproducing an article from extremetech?

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Right, sorry.

    • bachcole

      “Server Not Found” for me.

  • Curbina

    I knew that, but he was not a LENR researcher as, for example, McKubre, Ahern, Hagelstein or Schwarz.

  • Ged

    What you find “respectful” is subjective to you and the micro culture you find yourself in (compare Alabama to Massachusetts, and that is within the same country on the same coastline). I had none of those issues you list, nor do many of the folks here, and the plate beautifully serves its purpose well.

    Maybe it is a test run before a more permanent one, maybe not. It doesn’t change the price of tea in China either way.

    Thus, I completely and totally respectfully disagree with your opinion and personal view on this one, and further strongly disagree it is any way as important a matter or worth grumbling about as you try to make.

  • Private Citizen

    Cool pic of Kullander as a young man here

  • Private Citizen

    Cool pic of Kullander as a young man:
    http://www.lem.net/alf/IMG/kulland1.jpg

  • Omega Z

    THIS FIRST INDUSTRIAL PLANT WORKING WITH LENR TECHNOLOGY

    This is pretty specific. It is not heating a facility that belongs to Rossi. It is not an E-cat Plant in some Naval Research Lab. It is working in an Industrial customers facilities.

  • Ged

    And I point out the disagreement that real world examples show similar style commemorating subjects of far greater gravity. Not that your view is invalid at all, but I simply do not hold your view, or the idea that cold hearted, overly pedantic is remotely as virtuous as a personal style of sincerity. I find this more meaningful than the cookie-cutter, stuffier designs.

    We are just two different style, so I guess we must diverge in approach here, as such is the way of the wide world. Not a big issue in the slightest.

  • Ged

    Again, your opinion and style, and I fully disagree with all of it and your analysis, without reserve.

  • MLTC

    That’s very thoughtful of Rossi! ๐Ÿ˜€

  • GreenWin

    Al, you’re barking up an old tree. With India’s Academies of Sciences clearly endorsing Rossi and LENR technology, outdated ad hom attacks become infantile.

  • GreenWin

    The only controversy to the arXiv report is from a couple angry profs at Uppsala University. It has led to direct investment in LENR from a half dozen nations and dozens of commercial corporations.

  • Bo Thomas

    Som Svensk fan av Andrea Rossi blir jag rรถrd av detta…

    As a Swedish fan of Andrea Rossi I am moved by this.

    Buona notte a tutti voi

    ๐Ÿ™‚