Andrea Rossi Releases Photos of 1MW LENR / Cold Fusion E-Cat Plant [Update #2 ‘Gift to our Readers’]

Thanks to David Nygren of the LENR Forum for posting here today about a new website: http://andrea-rossi.com which has seemingly just appeared. It bills itself as the  ‘Official Website’, of Andrea Rossi, although it’s not quite clear who is the publisher.

UPDATE #2 (Feb 18, 2015)

Rossi wrote on the JONP about why he released these pictures, and also a little about what was not shown:

John:
I wanted to make a gift to our Readers. Obviously on course of the tests that we are making something will change, but the scope of the photos is not to disclose particulars that we deem critical.
The plant is much more complex than appears in the photos, but they give an idea of the thing, though. No more photos will be produced until the tests will be finished.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

UPDATE #1 (Feb 18, 2015)

Andrea Rossi made several statements confirming the authenticity of the picture on the JONP. Here is one:

Mark Saker:
These photos, published on my personal website, have been made months ago in Raleigh’s factory, during the final phases of the manufacturing .
Warm Regards,
A.R.

It does have some interesting pictures of what seem to be a new E-Cat Plant. Perhaps this is from the current plant? Here are a few:

1MWplant

1mwplant2

1mwplant3

The only two people I recognize in the picture are Rossi himself, and Fulvio Fabiani, an engineer who has worked with Rossi for some years now, and we know he has been working in the United States. I am sure there will be plenty of sleuthing about these picture now!

It does seem that all that we see in these pictures is housed within the walls of a shipping container — which is what Rossi has said is the case — and things seem more uniform than what we saw with the ‘tin foil’ covered reactors in pictures of the earlier plants that was built in Italy.

The rest of the pictures:

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And this picture is from the main page of the Andrea-Rossi.com site:

mainplant

  • Mark

    phew I was going mad with anticipation as to whether I’d missed these pictures being displayed before. Glad you were on the case to confirm

  • Whoa. Looks like an attempt to take control of Rossi’s public image. A start anyway.

    No doubt the plant exists and is being worked on by a team with those pictures.

    • Mark

      That was the first thing I concentrated on too 🙂

      What about the other cup with green crosses – if that’s a lesser known chain it could give more info…or is that also Wendy’s?

      Well after checking there’s a Wendy’s in the research triangle

      • Josh G

        Closeup shows it’s green circles/rings.

      • Josh G

        Anyway he said on his blog that the pictures were taken a few months ago in Raleigh as they were finishing construction on the plant. I see no reason not to take him at his word that the location (at that time) was Raleigh. It is not clear from what he said if the plant was assembled on site or was subsequently transferred to the ‘customer.’

      • Albert D. Kallal

        That is really one slick outfit.

        MOST encouraging is those “small” little control modules! Gee, can I “slip” one of the those workers a $100 bottle of scotch + a check to buy 3 or 6 of those “little” and so very cute little control modules (each with their LENR reactor) ? a 3 or 6 pack unit would fit nicely beside my furnace!

        They are “small”, and scalable! It would be a snap to take 3 or 6 of those little magic boxes and build a home-cat model.

        These folks are a good 4 years ahead of everyone, and their design can result really ANY size of reactor.

        Anyone want a 1 or 2 reactor tiny unit for camping heaters?

        Or a 100 unit system for a industrial sized system.

        The system looks great and has a “ere” similar look to early computers!

        I think the only issue left here is what kind of performance and COP such a system will produce.

        As others pointed out, just like large computers of yester year, these systems will improve and shrink over time.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Whoa. Looks like an attempt to take control of Rossi’s public image. A start anyway.

    No doubt the plant exists and is being worked on by a team with those pictures.

    Oh, and the plant is near a Wendy’s 8->

    • Mark

      That was the first thing I concentrated on too 🙂

      What about the other cup with green crosses – if that’s a lesser known chain it could give more info…or is that also Wendy’s?

      Well after checking there’s a Wendy’s in the research triangle

      • Josh G

        Closeup shows it’s green circles/rings.

        • Achi

          I believe that it is a cup from a gas station. I could be wrong though. The green circles remind me of the BP logo.

          • BP logo, time to launch a conspiracy theory 😉
            Let us contact SK.

      • Josh G

        Anyway he said on his blog that the pictures were taken a few months ago in Raleigh as they were finishing construction on the plant. I see no reason not to take him at his word that the location (at that time) was Raleigh. It is not clear from what he said if the plant was assembled on site or was subsequently transferred to the ‘customer.’

  • So this should rise a few hackle’s.
    Sent shivers down my spine:
    That’s a lot of red metering pumps.

    • mcloki

      Yes in deed. Actual engineering on display. Units “Wendy and Cindy” that parts suppliers are probably already speccing and costing to see how to produce them cheaper. There’s at least 64 rack mounted (4x8x2) units in that room. That’s a lot of hardware that is going to be needed to produce. A lot of fans and cabling that will need to be produced. All that plumbing is going to need proper plumbers and welders. Yes this is going to be a big manufacturing effort. Installation will be amazing.

      • TomR

        In the picture with Andrea, the tube fittings off the pipe headers and the metering pumps probably should be 90 degree male connectors instead of straight connectors. When disassembling and assembling 2 opposite facing ports it is easier to do with a 180 degree tubing piece.

  • So this should rise a few hackle’s.
    Sent shivers down my spine:
    That’s a lot of red metering pumps.

    • mcloki

      Yes in deed. Actual engineering on display. Units “Wendy and Cindy” that parts suppliers are probably already speccing and costing to see how to produce them cheaper. There’s at least 64 rack mounted (4x8x2) units in that room. That’s a lot of hardware that is going to be needed to produce. A lot of fans and cabling that will need to be produced. All that plumbing is going to need proper plumbers and welders. Yes this is going to be a big manufacturing effort. Installation will be amazing.

      • TomR

        In the picture with Andrea, the tube fittings off the pipe headers and the metering pumps probably should be 90 degree male connectors instead of straight connectors. When disassembling and assembling 2 opposite facing ports it is easier to do with a 180 degree tubing piece.

  • Sanjeev

    It does look like the 1MW plant, which was supposed to remain secret till next year.
    Whois does not show the name, but address is there. This may not be the address of the plant, but of the person who made the web site.
    https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=andrea-rossi.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

    • Josh G

      It’s registered to “Domains by Proxy” — so basically a company (in AZ) that registers domains by proxy so that the real people behind the site can remain anonymous.

  • Sanjeev

    It does look like the 1MW plant, which was supposed to remain secret till next year.
    Whois does not show the name, but address is there. This may not be the address of the plant, but of the person who made the web site.
    https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=andrea-rossi.com&prog_id=GoDaddy

    • Josh G

      It’s registered to “Domains by Proxy” — so basically a company (in AZ) that registers domains by proxy so that the real people behind the site can remain anonymous.

  • JDM

    The help certainly looks to be well fed.

    • mcloki

      They’ll be played by thin actors in the movie.

      • Bob Greenyer

        These people may be saving the world and deserve respect, then again, they could be actors already.

        Regardless, they are people who are acting, doing something, the world needs more people doing things, or trying to at the very least.

        They look happy in their work which should be noted.

        • EEStorFanFibb

          and IH remains quietly in the background… they really don’t seem to mind that Rossi takes all the attention.

          • fritz194

            wow.
            A metering pump on every cat to achieve symphony.
            So he probably has a shared excitation – and regulates every e-cat using such pump.

          • fritz194

            Cannot find the exact model but this one looks pretty similar.

            http://www.omega.com/pptst/PHP200.html

          • Jonnyb

            Nice Find

          • fritz194

            This beast makes just 4.5 gallons per hour which makes me somewhat curios. But looks pretty similar. Even the icons in the keys fit as well as Themen front connector scheme. I tried my best but could not find something with that colorscheme. German company Jesco-sthg makes black and red pumps but With different control…..

          • US_Citizen71

            I would say the meter itself may be the same but the actual pump, the white disc on the back that the hose attaches to is much larger in the pictures of the plant. I would assume larger would equal a higher volume of output. Also from the specifications “Maximum Fluid Operating Temperature: 50°C (122°F)” These would likely be the inflow pumps of the fluid to be heated.

          • Agaricus

            Which probably indicates individual reactor control by flow rate or water level, which (assuming a common return reservoir) would also need to be adjusted for feed temperature. This probably means that ‘duty’ reactors must operate at constant temperature, i.e., output can’t be varied, so varying demand must be accommodated by either switching reactors in and out, or by running them all continuously and dumping excess capacity to a heat sink such as a condenser.

            No wonder the control system is so complex.

          • Timar

            Given that one such pump costs around $1k, Rossi seems to have spent a considerable amount of money into this “dog and pony show” 😉

          • Nigel Appleton

            Yeah, but if you buy 100 of the things, you’ll be AMAZED at the discount offered!

          • Timar

            Sure, and of course he could only have rented them and send them all back after taking the photos 😉

          • mcloki

            Dude. Did you not see the first Apple computers. They were made of wood. The thing you take away from the product is not the materials that’s it’s made out of but how it looks. It’s the fact that the thing works at all that’s important. I;m sure that the Industrial design will sort itself out for what is in essence a hot water heater. You don’t need it to look like an iPhone or a Tesla.

          • SteveW

            I had one of the first Apple II computers, serial # around 80,000, and actually developed software/ games for the Apple computer that hit #1- so yes I’ve seen them but this is not the same issue. My issue is the design is not commercially practical and IH should have seen this. I would have rather seen a prototype reactor made out of wood with a practical design. They had an opportunity and missed it.

          • MasterBlaster7

            Woz is that you?

          • psi2u2

            No, of course I’m just a blind believer. Duh.

          • psi2u2

            Thanks Bachole. I notice that Felipe did not respond to the content of your posting or acknowledge the relevance of Dr. McKubre’s expertise. O well, you tried anyway.

          • bachcole

            Cockroaches hate light.

          • clovis ray

            Not commercially practical, wooden reactors, wooo,eee.

          • Josh G

            What about this makes you think that is is not commercially practical?

          • curious

            Wgen it comes to industrial low volume equipment there is little difference between a prototype and an early production unit.

          • builditnow

            Steve W, you have missed the point. To get certification, the “close to identical” equipment is required to show thousands of hours of reliable and safe operation.
            You can’t UL certify one piece of equipment and use that certification on a different product.

            Rossi is going for certification of his earlier E-Cat. With the 1 megawatt system, he has about 100 units running for 365 days = 438,000 hours of proven track record when the year is up.
            This is undoubtedly what the UL is demanding for such unknown technology.
            Even then, they might not approve it, but, that’s probably what UL has asked Rossi to do.

            As you can see from the Hot Cat, there new reactors in the pipeline.
            If certification for the “old” E-Cat can be obtained, certification on the newer reactors will be a lot easier to obtain.
            So, be happy 🙂

          • psi2u2

            Steven,

            You just said, based on some internet photos, “my issue is that the design is not commercially practical.” Either modify that statement in accordance with the reality that you have almost no basis to make such a judgement, or stand by what you said. Modifying your position by saying “I will let history pass judgement” is just evasion.

            History will pass judgement. In the meantime, it might be useful to refrain from statements like “not commercially practical.” You don’t know that and can’t know it.

          • Ged

            Prove it’s not “commercially viable” rather than just saying rhetoric, so that there is data or actual opinion to evaluate. The design looks fine. It appears small and compact for a power plant at a 1 MW level, particularly given the numerous amount of sub reactors working together.

          • greggoble

            No UL approval is required for industrial use, the many hours of operation is a step in that direction (future home use). I don’t completely understand the disappointment, unpractical commercial product, the wrong track, or un-visionary followers angle.

            The best my mind can wrap around in understanding this Steve is an analogy to the Wright Bros plane, a design which quickly became obsolete, and their company which wasn’t that successful, and the other companies which were highly successful due to quickly advancing improvements in engineering and working theoretical models.

            With that in mind… Seldon Technologies probably has a solid state advanced LENRgy product to surprise us all with and Liviu Popa Simil is certainly an impressive example of solid state LENRgy improved design concepts (extremely scalable). Other recent patent claims in improved LENRgy designs include harvesting those heavy elektrons in a manner that delivers current, a nicely ordered flow of electrons emanating from the low energy nuclear reactive environment.

            LENR is not a narrow band set of physical phenomenon.

            Hmmm… Yes, consideration of new and improved designs makes sense. Nothing here says that the folks working with Rossi are aware of this. Nothing here shows that the folks working with Rossi are working on it. Yet they might be… hmmmm.

          • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

            if you think about it, the last thing IH wants is ‘reliable’ or robust news about the Ecat, since the initial announcement that IH had obtained some rights from Rossi in Popular Science, we’ve heard practically NOTHING from them. (this was recently used as justification to remove all IH info from the Wikipedia Page on this).
            This is what they want. Until they have a product to sell, and you believe me this is what they are working on at the moment while this plant runs its test, they want as little reliable information as possible. The longer they can keep the news OFF this subject, as they build towards a saleable product, the bigger their head start.

          • Ged

            AKA you have no idea nor backing to your proclinations. The design is cheap, mobile, and modular. The Military would love it, and dispersal across the commercial world would be fast and cheap as no large scale building constructions are necessary.

            You should look at what the inside of a modern day power plant looks like; it should give a useful frame of reference for contextualization.

          • curious

            That the machine is built does not ensure it works. Let’s see.

            If you look at the picture of the inside of the plant, I think Rossi was standing behind the left rack of modules, way at the back. Behind Rossi you can see the four red controller boxes that appear are visible in front of the right rack, and there must be four more behind the left rack.

            The three cubes are Cindy, Sandy and Wendy. It looks like Wendy is connected to both Cindy and Sandy (you can see two sets of holes on the back of Wendy). Cindy and Sandy must be dedicated to each half of the plant.

            The back of Cindy shows five yellow labels on the connectors. Another photo shows that the labels are “Out 49-54 Zone” “Out 37-48 Zone” “Out 25-36 Zone” So each box controls 54 modules.

            Cindy and Sandy have large 24-pin power connectors, two wires for each of the 12 zones. Those must send the electrical power to each module. I guess the boxes are full of triac controllers.

            There are two switches with a lot of blue Ethernet-type cables. I guess they have a dedicated controller for each module and they use Ethernet to connect.

            The red boxes with LCD displays must be metering pumps, similar to this one.

            http://www.advantagecontrols.com/products.php?category_id=3&products_id=6

            Sorry if I bore you. It is frustrating that there is so little information to be extracted from the photos. On the other hand, knowing how the reactors work the setup is quite straightforward except replicated one hundred times.

        • Hi all

          You can tell when you are famous; random anonymous people tell you to loose weight.

          Kind Regards walker

        • Obvious

          The folks claiming the whole Rossi story is a scam will have a conniption at the Hollywood-level of special effects the enterprise has now risen to.
          This looks considerably advanced compared to anything we have seen earlier.

          • psi2u2

            Yep, like they say, Rossi is a magician who has a wily way with words – he convinces people that he can do the impossible. Obviously he’s a whiz with photoshop, too! Incredible.

  • JDM

    The help certainly looks to be well fed.

    • mcloki

      They’ll be played by thin actors in the movie.

      • Bob Greenyer

        These people may be saving the world and deserve respect, then again, they could be actors already.

        Regardless, they are people who are acting, doing something, the world needs more people doing things, or trying to at the very least.

        They look happy in their work which should be noted.

        • Hi all

          You can tell when you are famous; random anonymous people tell you to loose weight.

          Kind Regards walker

  • mcloki

    Naming the units is a nice touch. #1 Cindy. #2 Wendy. Set up for mobility to move around. Top rings to lift into place. Very interesting.

    • GreenWin

      There is also a “Sandy” named in the metadata associated text. Three ladies. Hmmm.

      • robyn wyrick

        What I like most about these pictures is how mundane they are. Workers doing their jobs in a plant that looks incrementally better than the original 1MW plant design. Incrementally better is mundane. But science builds on the mundane until change sweeps everything.

  • mcloki

    Naming the units is a nice touch. #1 Cindy. #2 Wendy. Set up for mobility to move around. Top rings to lift into place. Very interesting.

    • GreenWin

      There is also a “Sandy” named in the metadata associated text. Three ladies. Hmmm.

  • Chris the 2nd

    It’s very tempting to crack a joke that the size of the employees leaves us in no doubt the country they are working in… woops too late

    • LookMoo

      …. they really blow their cover with these photos.

  • Chris the 2nd

    It’s very tempting to crack a joke that the size of the employees leaves us in no doubt the country they are working in… woops too late

    • LookMoo

      …. they really blow their cover with these photos.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    That E-Cat logo is so frigging cool.

  • Teemu Soilamo

    That E-Cat logo is so frigging cool.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is great to see this more tangible of evidence put out there.

    Good fortune to all involved.

    • Ged

      Totally wanna see a dissection analysis of the equipment in these pics. So many tasty clues and details.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is “de rigueur” to do that now!

  • Bob Greenyer

    It is great to see this more tangible of evidence put out there.

    Good fortune to all involved.

    • Ged

      Totally wanna see a dissection analysis of the equipment in these pics. So many tasty clues and details.

      • Bob Greenyer

        It is “de rigueur” to do that now!

  • EEStorFanFibb

    what’s he soldering there?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Looks like a Thermocouple compensation board. Quite a few of those are needed!

  • what’s he soldering there?

    • Bob Greenyer

      Looks like a Thermocouple compensation board. Quite a few of those are needed!

  • Nigel Appleton

    Great to see the pictures!
    Why now, I wonder. Seeing the need for more credibility?

    Anyway, I’m looking forward to all the speculation as to what all the bits and bobs are!
    Metering pumps? Metering what?

    Etc.

  • Nigel Appleton

    Great to see the pictures!
    Why now, I wonder. Seeing the need for more credibility?

    Anyway, I’m looking forward to all the speculation as to what all the bits and bobs are!
    Metering pumps? Metering what?

    Etc.

  • EEStorFanFibb

    If oil prices drop significantly today and tomorrow…. we’ll perhaps “know” that many financial big birds are looking for signs of LENR’s viability.

  • If oil prices drop significantly today and tomorrow…. we’ll perhaps “know” that many financial big birds are looking for signs of LENR’s viability.

  • and IH remains quietly in the background… they really don’t seem to mind that Rossi takes all the attention.

    • NCY

      if you think about it, the last thing IH wants is ‘reliable’ or robust news about the Ecat, since the initial announcement that IH had obtained some rights from Rossi in Popular Science, we’ve heard practically NOTHING from them. (this was recently used as justification to remove all IH info from the Wikipedia Page on this).
      This is what they want. Until they have a product to sell, and you believe me this is what they are working on at the moment while this plant runs its test, they want as little reliable information as possible. The longer they can keep the news OFF this subject, as they build towards a saleable product, the bigger their head start.

  • EEStorFanFibb

    any interesting metadata clues from the photos?

    • slad

      nope

  • any interesting metadata clues from the photos?

    • slad

      nope

  • Kaz

    Try doing an image search and see if you can id anybody besides Rossi.

    • The bloke in the blue shirt may be called ‘Sandy’. In the UK that’s normally the familiar for ‘Sandra’ but perhaps it’s used for some other name in the US (I hope so).

      The image name is ‘ecat MW1-USA sandy et wendy installation’ – is this a clue that the photographer may be French??

      • Josh G

        Photographer may be French, or maybe the person who put together the website. But the ‘Sandy’ is likely just a typo or misreading of the name of the second unit, named ‘Cindy.’

      • Brent Buckner

        “Sandy” is also a short form for “Alexander” (c.f. http://www.behindthename.com/name/sandy ).

  • Dods

    Have not posted for a while but been watching avidly.
    The photos have got me out from under my rock.
    We can rule out tinfoil as the secret ingredient as there is none in view now lol.
    Good work Andrea and his team, really nice to see some new pictures.

  • Dods

    Have not posted for a while but been watching avidly.
    The photos have got me out from under my rock.
    We can rule out tinfoil as the secret ingredient as there is none in view now lol.
    Good work Andrea and his team, really nice to see some new pictures.

  • EEStorFanFibb

    Thank you AR and team for the pics!!!! much appreciated.

  • bachcole

    My psychic sense tells me, I’m narrowing it down, here it comes, the factory is somewhere on Planet Earth, probably in an English speaking country with well-fed people.

    • Jonnyb

      Just need a Donut machine.

  • Thank you AR and team for the pics!!!! much appreciated.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi has stated that the volume that is LENR active in this reactor is about 1/2 a cubic meter. The remaining support stuff is required to control the distributed LENR reaction. That is a lot of stuff to keep the Big cat going. There is much room for improvement in this design. I think back to the first days of the computer in 1944. A tube based computer containing a few hundred bytes was as big as an office building. My point, we could look forward to another Moore’s law applied to LENR systems.

  • Axil Axil

    Rossi has stated that the volume that is LENR active in this reactor is about 1/2 a cubic meter. The remaining support stuff is required to control the distributed LENR reaction. That is a lot of stuff to keep the Big cat going. There is much room for improvement in this design. I think back to the first days of the computer in 1944. A tube based computer containing a few hundred bytes was as big as an office building. My point, we could look forward to another Moore’s law applied to LENR systems. Then and now, both devices are great achievements.

  • Agaricus

    It’s interesting that the floor is brown (ply/MDF?) in the first photo above and also the one of Rossi, and grey (carpet panels?) in the one with the guy in a blue shirt, and also the one with two blokes hovering around the ‘Cindy’ equipment box. Possibly two containers – one for the reactors and one for the control system perhaps.

    It’s difficult to reconcile the first photo above (equipment both sides) with the one of Rossi (all the equipment on one side). The far end of the equipment shown in the top photo appears to be just visible in the background of the Rossi photo, so perhaps the control and reactor containers are placed end to end, and the Rossi photo is as viewed from the carpeted end of the controls container? Or maybe they are just using a very long container.

    • Ged

      Yeah, the second one (blue floor) definitely looks like an office or command center. This plant appears vastly more advanced than the original 1 MW, with obvious improved quality (kinda futuristic looking) and professionalism of parts. Fascinating.

      • TomR

        Maybe they had time to paint the command center floor but not the pumps and reactors floor.

  • It’s interesting that the floor is brown (ply/MDF?) in the first photo above and also the one of Rossi, and blue-grey (carpet panels?) in the one with the guy in a blue shirt, and also the one with two blokes hovering around the ‘Cindy’ equipment box. Possibly two containers then – one for the reactors and one for the control system perhaps.

    It’s difficult to reconcile the first photo above (equipment both sides) with the one of Rossi (all the equipment on one side). Perhaps the control and reactor containers are placed end to end, and the Rossi photo is as viewed from the carpeted end of the controls container where the control boxes are located?

    • Ged

      Yeah, the second one (blue floor) definitely looks like an office or command center. This plant appears vastly more advanced than the original 1 MW, with obvious improved quality (kinda futuristic looking) and professionalism of parts. Fascinating.

      • TomR

        Maybe they had time to paint the command center floor but not the pumps and reactors floor.

  • Heath

    He wasn’t kidding about the 30,000 components bit!

    • Agaricus

      The bloke in the blue shirt may be called ‘Sandy’. In the UK that’s normally the familiar for ‘Sandra’ but perhaps it’s used for some other name in the US (I hope so).

      The image name is ‘ecat MW1-USA sandy et wendy installation’. ET must have gone home – or is this a clue that the photographer may be French??

      • Josh G

        Photographer may be French, or maybe the person who put together the website. But the ‘Sandy’ is likely just a typo or misreading of the name of the second unit, named ‘Cindy.’

      • Brent Buckner

        “Sandy” is also a short form for “Alexander” (c.f. http://www.behindthename.com/name/sandy ).

  • Heath

    He wasn’t kidding about the 30,000 components bit!

  • Jamie Sibley

    This photo:

    http://andrea-rossi.com/1mw-plant/ss0af9mdz0cihn6drwyo9i2s1nx07e

    Shows a pipe marked Steam in the upper left.
    I though this plant was supposed to be producing just hot water.

    • Frank Acland

      No, he has said that it produces steam for some kind of production line.

      • Food and confectionary production, milk pasteurisation, oil refining or shale oil extraction, chemicals manufacture, laundries, biofuel production, paper making, plastics and rubber production, injection moulding, reconstituted timber manufacture (plywood/MDF), bulk electroplating, brewing, pharmaceutical manufacturing – the uses of LP steam in industry are many and varied. It’s more difficult to think of any military applications though, other than large scale space heating.

  • Chris the 2nd

    This thing is built for rapid deployment and easy movement, I guess that’s partly because it’s prototype.. but also, are we sure this isn’t for the military?

  • Chris the 2nd

    This thing is built for rapid deployment and easy movement, I guess that’s partly because it’s prototype.. but also, are we sure this isn’t for the military?

  • BP logo, time to launch a conspiracy theory 😉
    Let us contact SK.

  • Looks like the controls package is coming together. Besides the E-cat itself its the most important item to get a working product to the market. If you have any doubt check out Heat Timers control packages: http://www.heat-timer.com/multi-mod-modulating/

    • Agaricus

      Presumably it came together some time ago:

      “Andrea Rossi
      February 18th, 2015 at 11:16 AM

      Mark Saker:
      These photos, published on my personal website, have been made months ago in Raleigh’s factory, during the final phases of the manufacturing .
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.”

  • Looks like the controls package is coming together. Besides the E-cat itself its the most important item to get a working product to the market. If you have any doubt check out Heat Timers control packages: http://www.heat-timer.com/multi-mod-modulating/

    • Presumably it came together some time ago, if Rossi’s comment is correct.

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    By the size, walls and floor i think we see different boxes of the place show in the last picture, the walls are the inner of the red in last picture, in fact i can see the internal side of the air aconditioner showed in the last.

    None of this photos looks like the “container” of the original 1Mw plant.

    Looks like a big hangar with custom internal boxes made of this “pluggable” walls.

  • Enrique Ferreyra

    By the size, walls and floor i think we see different boxes of the place show in the last picture, the walls are the inner of the red in last picture, in fact i can see the internal side of the air aconditioner showed in the last.

    None of this photos looks like the “container” of the original 1Mw plant.

    Looks like a big hangar with custom internal boxes made of this “pluggable” walls.

  • fritz194

    wow.
    A metering pump on every cat to achieve symphony.
    So he probably has a shared excitation – and regulates every e-cat using such pump.

    • fritz194

      Cannot find the exact model but this one looks pretty similar.

      http://www.omega.com/pptst/PHP200.html

      • Jonnyb

        Nice Find

        • fritz194

          This beast makes just 4.5 gallons per hour which makes me somewhat curios. But looks pretty similar. Even the icons in the keys fit as well as the front connector scheme. I tried my best but could not find something with that colorscheme. German company Jesco-sthg makes black and red pumps but with different control…..

          • US_Citizen71

            I would say the meter itself may be the same but the actual pump, the white disc on the back that the hose attaches to is much larger in the pictures of the plant. I would assume larger would equal a higher volume of output. Also from the specifications “Maximum Fluid Operating Temperature: 50°C (122°F)” These would likely be the inflow pumps of the fluid to be heated.

          • Which probably indicates individual reactor control by flow rate or water level, which (assuming a common return reservoir) would also need to be adjusted for feed temperature. This probably means that ‘duty’ reactors must operate at constant temperature, i.e., output can’t be varied, so any change in demand must be accommodated by either switching reactors in and out, or by running them all continuously and dumping excess steam production to a heat sink such as a forced-air condenser.

            No wonder the control system is so complex.

      • Timar

        Given that one such pump costs around $1k, Rossi seems to have spent a considerable amount of money into this “dog and pony show” 😉

        • Nigel Appleton

          Yeah, but if you buy 100 of the things, you’ll be AMAZED at the discount offered!

          • Timar

            Sure, and of course he could only have rented them and send them all back after taking the photos 😉

  • Obvious

    The folks claiming the whole Rossi story is a scam will have a conniption at the Hollywood-level of special effects the enterprise has now risen to.
    This looks considerably advanced compared to anything we have seen earlier.

    • psi2u2

      Yep, like they say, Rossi is a magician who has a wily way with words – he convinces people that he can do the impossible. Obviously he’s a whiz with photoshop, too! Incredible.

    • bachcole

      I like conniptions for the right people.

  • Mike Henderson
    • Teemu Soilamo

      This is the old tinfoil plant.

      • Frechette

        Better a tinfoil plant than a tin foil hat.

  • Mike Henderson
    • Teemu Soilamo

      This is the old tinfoil plant.

      • Frechette

        Better a tinfoil plant than a tin foil hat.

      • bachcole

        I thought so.

  • psi2u2

    Very nice, congrats again to Rossi’s team – and good job getting these photos out just when they were needed to restore confidence that the reality matches Rossi’s public statements. This should throw a serious monkey wrench into the pseudoskeptical agenda.

    • ecatworld

      I’ve never been in doubt about the existence of this plant, and this is another example of reality bearing out Rossi’s statements.

      • psi2u2

        I have not either, but some have and maybe still do.

        • georgehants

          psi2u2, according to reports I have seen (but cannot source quickly) 95% of scientists still follow their priests and deny Cold Fusion as instructed.

      • Billy Jackson

        I think that the 6 month test taught us the value of not applying our own standards or perceptions to Rossi statements. aka the 6 month test being 31 days and a few other set in stone ideas that turned out to be not quite as solid as we thought.

        we have to watch how we interpret the information we get.

        take IH and Rossi. all we know is that IH bought the “rights” to the e-cat. what we have learned is what is not said is just as important as what is said. We have no clue as to the level of rights, ownership, partnership, or who has controlling interest of the whole thing due to lack of contract available for the public to see.

        I am impressed by the pictures as the plant looks far more professional than the previous crate container. As such it will give the perception of actual fundamental science experimentation and not junk garage experiment. Between these pictures and the articles of replication released in the last few weeks i think we can say with firm resolution that the case for LENR is heating up.

        • psi2u2

          Very good cautionary perspective coupled with realistic optimism. Works for me.

          • Billy Jackson

            thanks 😛

  • psi2u2

    Very nice, congrats again to Rossi’s team – and good job getting these photos out just when they were needed to restore confidence that the reality matches Rossi’s public statements. This should throw a serious monkey wrench into the pseudoskeptical agenda.

    • Frank Acland

      I’ve never been in doubt about the existence of this plant, and this is another example of reality bearing out Rossi’s statements.

      • psi2u2

        I have not either, but some have and maybe still do.

        • georgehants

          psi2u2, according to reports I have seen (but cannot source quickly) 95% of scientists still follow their priests and deny Cold Fusion as instructed.

      • Billy Jackson

        I think that the 6 month test taught us the value of not applying our own standards or perceptions to Rossi statements. aka the 6 month test being 31 days and a few other set in stone ideas that turned out to be not quite as solid as we thought.

        we have to watch how we interpret the information we get.

        take IH and Rossi. all we know is that IH bought the “rights” to the e-cat. what we have learned is what is not said is just as important as what is said. We have no clue as to the level of rights, ownership, partnership, or who has controlling interest of the whole thing due to lack of contract available for the public to see.

        I am impressed by the pictures as the plant looks far more professional than the previous crate container. As such it will give the perception of actual fundamental science experimentation and not junk garage experiment. Between these pictures and the articles of replication released in the last few weeks i think we can say with firm resolution that the case for LENR is heating up.

        • psi2u2

          Very good cautionary perspective coupled with realistic optimism. Works for me.

          • Billy Jackson

            thanks 😛

  • Jouni

    Sorry to say, but I am disappointed about the structure of the plant. Plenty of room for innovation and engineering in there. Keeping in mind those new thermally excelently conducting rods etc

    • georgehants

      Certainly a lot better than anything produced by establishment science.
      “Plenty of room for innovation and engineering there”
      All to busy following the scientific bible that preaches to them that there is nothing beyond a steam engine.

      • Jouni

        Certainly. Perhaps just looking old facioned for me?? 🙂

        • georgehants

          Jouni, think how lucky we are to be seeing the equivalent of the Colossus computer that filled a big room or the very first light bulb.
          History in the making that we get to watch almost as it happens.
          True Science in action. 🙂

    • Anon2012_2014

      Your standards are too high. It is being sold as a prototype plant. This is what we would expect.

      It would be nice to get some validation of performance on this heat “genset”.

      • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

        Yes there is certainly room for innovation, and of course, further miniaturisation of the plant. But right now, as they build the first plant with all electronic controllers and stuff, they need room to work around it, I’m not surprised they used another shipping container.

        • Anon2012_2014

          He’s been doing Gensets in shipping containers since at least 2009 in New Hampshire.

  • Jouni Tuomela

    Sorry to say, but I am disappointed about the structure of the plant. Plenty of room for innovation and engineering in there. Keeping in mind those new thermally excelently conducting rods etc

    • georgehants

      Certainly a lot better than anything produced by establishment science.
      “Plenty of room for innovation and engineering there”
      All to busy following the scientific bible that preaches to them that there is nothing beyond a steam engine.

      • Jouni Tuomela

        Certainly. Perhaps just looking old facioned for me?? 🙂

        • georgehants

          Jouni, think how lucky we are to be seeing the equivalent of the Colossus computer that filled a big room or the very first light bulb.
          History in the making that we get to watch almost as it happens.
          True Science in action. 🙂

    • clovis ray

      It , did look permanent , and thank’s Dr. R, for those great views of your handy work,
      You know these pictures will be going down in history, and they look nice.

    • Anon2012_2014

      Your standards are too high. It is being sold as a prototype plant. This is what we would expect.

      It would be nice to get some validation of performance on this heat “genset”.

      • NCY

        Yes there is certainly room for innovation, and of course, further miniaturisation of the plant. But right now, as they build the first plant with all electronic controllers and stuff, they need room to work around it, I’m not surprised they used another shipping container.

        • Anon2012_2014

          He’s been doing Gensets in shipping containers since at least 2009 in New Hampshire.

  • I hope this is the first step of IH to set up a public image.

    Maybe the pressure is growing since the Parkhomov replication. IH should set up a website as well, to answer frequent questions easier.

    • Agaricus

      It seems that IH prefer that Rossi remains the ‘front man’ for the time being.

      • ecatworld

        I think this arrangement suits IH fine. No need to hire a PR person when Rossi can answer most inquiries through the JONP. He’s very courteous and knows what he can and can’t say.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          It also eliminates the possibility of unnecessary personality clashes between the chief scientist and the chief public relations officer.

  • I hope this is the first step of IH to set up a public image.

    Maybe the pressure is growing since the Parkhomov replication. IH should set up a website as well, to answer frequent questions easier.

    • It seems that IH prefer that Rossi remains the ‘front man’ for the time being.

      • Frank Acland

        I think this arrangement suits IH fine. No need to hire a PR person when Rossi can answer most inquiries through the JONP. He’s very courteous and knows what he can and can’t say.

        • Pekka Janhunen

          It also eliminates the possibility of unnecessary personality clashes between the chief scientist and the chief public relations officer.

          • georgehants

            Pekka, did you see the report regarding presidential adviser Podesta?
            I really would appreciate your opinion of the words “the American people can handle the truth”
            ———
            “It’s time to find out what the truth really is that’s out there,” he
            said. “We ought to do it, really, because it’s right. We ought to do it,
            quite frankly, because the American people can handle the truth. And we
            ought to do it because it’s the law.”
            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-presidential-aide-john-podesta-says-biggest-regret-is-not-securing-release-of-government-records-about-ufos-10049486.html

          • Timar

            George, I think this whole E-Cat story is exciting enough. You really don’t need to come up with those awkward and uncalled-for UFO references to keep the discussion interesting.

          • georgehants

            Timar, did you not notice I am talking with Pekka, do you not think you are insulting him by assuming he cannot make his own decisions?
            I take it you do not feel that any other ignorant cover-up is connected to the scientific cover-up of Cold Fusion and should be kept hidden?

          • georgehants

            Peter, we may be approaching a time when many Truths begin to be seen, still some way to go though.
            The Internet is very Powerful.
            Still some people as below trying to shut-up all reference to the establishment banned subjects.
            Future scientists will I think laugh at the comical beliefs and fears of today’s scientists.

          • ‘Twas ever thus, George.

          • Pekka Janhunen

            Some countries including UK and France have opened their UFO files, so why not US as well. To government officials like him, those are just political issues among many others, I would guess.

          • georgehants

            Many thanks Pekka, the Truth is almost always the best I think, as with Cold Fusion.

          • bachcole

            Unless Rossi has a split personality, and from what I can tell around here, that seems to be quite common. There are certain people who are even here (they think for themselves), but with regard to other issues, the same people appeal to authority. (And you thought that I was going to be funny.)

    • Mark

      I too am wondering why Rossi built this site “now”.
      I did not expect to see images about the plant until November at least.

      • Anon2012_2014

        Rossi had a predecessor site where he posted his side of the story for PetrolDragon. This looks like an update to that site with a few more modern photos.

        Rossi is a rank amateur when it comes to making a professional PR image (think Elon Musk). He seems to do most of the copy himself on a shoe string. No one edits his copy to prevent embarrassments. This is neither bad nor good — it’s just Rossi’s personality as a do it yourself guy. We are lucky he has dropped the snakes and clowns nomenclature.

        • the web style is simple and of good taste.
          far from shutdown rossi…
          it is not web2.0 but I prefer like that.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The main picture looks a bit like Scrooge McDuck’s money bin: “Keep out! Authorized personnel only! No trespassing! No cell phones!” 🙂

    • Ged

      Though, I don’t recommend trying to swim in a vault of E-cats ;).

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The main picture looks a bit like Scrooge McDuck’s money bin: “Keep out! Authorized personnel only! No trespassing! No cell phones!” 🙂

    • Piero

      “A magnificence!”

    • Ged

      Though, I don’t recommend trying to swim in a vault of E-cats ;).

  • Jonnyb

    Just need a Donut machine.

  • Wow! Picture’s worth a thousand. With all those it comes out to…..many. Quite a boost.

  • Wow! Picture’s worth a thousand. With all those it comes out to…..many. Quite a boost.

  • Andre Blum

    Fabiani seems to be soldering on thermocouple amplifier breakout boards. This is a very small printed circuit board with a chip that can convert the low power measurements of a thermocouple (seebeck effect) to a digital signal that can be read by a microcontroller. Example: http://www.adafruit.com/product/269

    This makes a lot of sense. You need thermocouples everywhere in this plant.

  • Andre Blum

    Fabiani seems to be soldering on thermocouple amplifier breakout boards. This is a very small printed circuit board with a chip that can convert the low power measurements of a thermocouple (seebeck effect) to a digital signal that can be read by a microcontroller. Example: http://www.adafruit.com/product/269

    This makes a lot of sense. You need thermocouples everywhere in this plant.

  • Wonderboy

    Does anyone else notice that all the other engineers in the picture except Rossi are overweight?

    Just an observation…

    • Ged

      Rossi did say he exercised a lot; it shows.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      E = mc^2

    • Ivan Idso

      I don’t care if they have 2 noses as long as they get the ecat working!
      Keep up the good work guys!

    • fritz194

      Good developers are handicapped or overweight.
      Thats it. Just a positive quality aspect.

  • Ged

    Rossi did say he exercised a lot; it shows.

  • No sign of a ionization radiation sign.
    No winter of denying impossibility:
    There before our eyes infinite energy possibility.

    • NCY

      well not… ‘infinite’ we only have enough nickel on earth to last us a few billion years. 🙂

      • Yet such a limited future view expectation.
        Summer to come of warmth:
        Infinity has no boundary,that of thought.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    E = mc^2

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is a very interesting mixture of plumbing and electronics. I wonder if it can sense leaks and isolate them dynamically.

    • fritz194

      no way. From my experience on synchronizing 4 carburettors on 70ies motorbikes – I think its pretty difficult to synchronize 100 e-cats with run-away tendency. He is probably happy with 80 out of 20 operating at nominal condition.

      • Andre Blum

        Funny, but I disagree. The whole point here, and Rossi has been telling about this for a year and is now offering proof of what he said, is that these are not carburettors, this is a multipoint injection system. It is all computer controlled, and there should be no reason that such large percentage should be failing as you are suggesting.

        • fritz194

          The fact that it is computer controlled doesnt solve the problem.
          The hardware, sensors, actuators which report to the control mechanism have to work properly – and even then its not that easy to tune the control stages for homogenous operation. The opposite of “nominal condition” is not “failing”. The approach I would think of would be balancing them in groups, subgroups and sub-sub groups.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It is a very interesting mixture of plumbing and electronics. I wonder if it can sense leaks and isolate them dynamically.

    • fritz194

      no way. From my experience on synchronizing 4 carburettors on 70ies motorbikes – I think its pretty difficult to synchronize 100 e-cats with run-away tendency. He is probably happy with 80 out of 20 operating at nominal condition.

      • Andre Blum

        Funny, but I disagree. The whole point here, and Rossi has been telling about this for a year and is now offering proof of what he said, is that these are not carburettors, this is a multipoint injection system. It is all computer controlled, and there should be no reason that such large percentage should be failing as you are suggesting.

        • fritz194

          The fact that it is computer controlled doesnt solve the problem.
          The hardware, sensors, actuators which report to the control mechanism have to work properly – and even then its not that easy to tune the control stages for homogenous operation. The opposite of “nominal condition” is not “failing”. The approach I would think of would be balancing them in groups, subgroups and sub-sub groups.

          • bachcole

            I am not pretending to say that I know more about the E-Cat than Rossi, but the need for all of this complexity does not make me feel warm and secure. It fails the toilet test. The toilet is very simple and can keep on working for years. I just did a little work on my toilet after 14.5 years, and I did it myself. That is what I call simplicity and durability. The design of the toilet is over 100 years old. I think that we need all of this complexity with the E-Cat because we don’t understand the reaction at it’s elemental core.

  • priestie

    Pretty elaborate hoax, I must say!
    If it IS a hoax, that is 😉

  • Bob

    Very interesting! The photos show a much higher “sense” of an engineered system versus a “pieced together proof of concept” that the first 1mw plant looked like.

    One bit that I find very odd however. On his own website, he lists no connection with Industrial Heat! I have seen posts where he states he is “Chief Science Officer” if I remember correctly, but he lists no connection to IH under his list of employment. I wonder why? IH management publicly supported Rossi not long ago, so I do not see why he could not list his position with them.

    Over all, I see this as another weight added to Rossi’s side of the balance scale versus the skeptics, but as usual, it comes with a bit of mystery and puzzlement!

    • EEStorFanFibb

      good observation Bob. perhaps Frank could ask Rossi about this oversight. Shouldn’t Rossi at least mention IH somewhere on his website? or is the relationship over?

      • ecatworld

        I am sure the relationship is not over — just recently he says the relationship with IH has never been stronger, and IH came out with a statement about their continued support and funding of the E-Cat plant. Rossi continually refers to the work of his Team.

        Just the other day, I asked him if he were to decide to retire and do something else with his life, if he would be confident the Team could bring the E-Cat successfully to the marketplace. He responded:

        “Absolutely yes: as I answered also to Mark Ellenbroek, I am very useful to the Team, but not indispensable as I was one year ago.”

        • fritz194

          Good developers are handicapped or overweight.
          Thats it. Just a positive quality aspect.

      • fritz194

        There is a reference to industrial heat ;-))) but not so obvious to find than expected. Maybe because IH has still no proper website up and running. Why link to something none-existing ?

        • Wonder if old G.W. (not you GreenWin) has seen these.

      • ecatworld

        Here’s a reference to IH: http://andrea-rossi.com/new-page-1/

        “Rossi is now the chief scientist with IH, and has observed the units built by the company as being as good as the ones he has built. IH has a one megawatt plant built by Rossi that is currently in operation for a confidential customer.”

  • Bob

    Very interesting! The photos show a much higher “sense” of an engineered system versus a “pieced together proof of concept” that the first 1mw plant looked like.

    One bit that I find very odd however. On his own website, he lists no connection with Industrial Heat! I have seen posts where he states he is “Chief Science Officer” if I remember correctly, but he lists no connection to IH under his list of employment. I wonder why? IH management publicly supported Rossi not long ago, so I do not see why he could not list his position with them.

    Over all, I see this as another weight added to Rossi’s side of the balance scale versus the skeptics, but as usual, it comes with a bit of mystery and puzzlement!

    • good observation Bob. perhaps Frank could ask Rossi about this oversight. Shouldn’t Rossi at least mention IH somewhere on his website? or is the relationship over?

      • Mark

        IH is mentioned here:

        “… Rossi has finally sold his technology to another company. Industrial Heat LLC, with its main offices in Raleigh North Carolina, now own Rossi’s intellectual property. They know what the secret catalyst is that makes the E-Cat work.

        Rossi is now the chief scientist with IH, and has observed the units built by the company as being as good as the ones he has built. IH has a one megawatt plant built by Rossi that is currently in operation for a confidential customer.”
        http://andrea-rossi.com/new-page-1/

      • Frank Acland

        I am sure the relationship is not over — just recently he says the relationship with IH has never been stronger, and IH came out with a statement about their continued support and funding of the E-Cat plant. Rossi continually refers to the work of his Team.

        Just the other day, I asked him if he were to decide to retire and do something else with his life, if he would be confident the Team could bring the E-Cat successfully to the marketplace. He responded:

        “Absolutely yes: as I answered also to Mark Ellenbroek, I am very useful to the Team, but not indispensable as I was one year ago.”

      • fritz194

        There is a reference to industrial heat ;-))) but not so obvious to find than expected. Maybe because IH has still no proper website up and running. Why link to something none-existing ?

      • Frank Acland

        Here’s a reference to IH: http://andrea-rossi.com/new-page-1/

        “Rossi is now the chief scientist with IH, and has observed the units built by the company as being as good as the ones he has built. IH has a one megawatt plant built by Rossi that is currently in operation for a confidential customer.”

  • bachcole

    I confess that if I was really convinced 100%, I wouldn’t find these pictures reassuring. And it is nice to be reassured. But, after all, this is the most unlikely true thing that I can think of right now, except perhaps the existence of God and the eternity of the soul.

    • Observer

      Don’t you believe in the Duality of the DOG? Their existence is independent of direction. The question is who is wagging what. Does the DOG wag the tail or does the GOD wag the world?

      • Mats002

        I thought we just learned that the CAT walk the DOG, GOD likes CATs.

      • bachcole

        The Infinite Ocean of Divinity does absolutely nothing, yet everything gets done according to His/Her/Its will.

        And She/He/It lives in my doggie’s heart.

  • anotherone

    The large white tubes look like they are covered with insulation.

    • Billy Jackson

      possible hot waste water or steam?

      • Agaricus

        Rossi has said it’s steam. My guess is that each reactor requires a constant water level with feedwater entering from below and steam first being superheated, then leaving the reactor chamber at the top. At present this appears to be accomplished by a sensing system and PLC controlled metering pump for each individual reactor or reactor pair, but potentially this might be simplified by grouping reactors inside common casings. There are also simpler ways of maintaining a constant fluid level that don’t require complex microprocessor systems.

    • guest

      From the one shot, it appears to have 2 walls of 7 racks with 4 modules stacked vertically in each rack, so 56 modules. Maybe two eCats per module to get 110? Maybe one live and one backup ecat per module?

  • anotherone

    The large white tubes look like they are covered with insulation.

    • Billy Jackson

      possible hot waste water or steam?

      • Rossi has said it’s steam. It’s likely that a higher operating temperature is needed by the current generation of ‘LT’ e-cats than the original type, and production of superheated steam may be simpler and easier than finding ways to regulate and limit heat flow to a liquid primary coolant.

        My guess would be that each reactor requires a constant water level with feedwater entering from below and steam first being superheated, then leaving the reactor chamber at the top and flowing to a header through heavily insulated pipes. At present this appears to be accomplished by a sensing system and PLC controlled metering pump for each individual reactor or reactor pair, but potentially this might be simplified by grouping reactors inside common casings. There are also simpler ways of maintaining a constant fluid level that don’t require complex microprocessor systems or metering pumps, such as the use of float actuated valves or capacitance level sensors.

        This still looks like a one-off ‘hand made’ prototype that it wouldn’t be feasible to mass produce, although limited series production might be practical if the costs work out. I’d guess about 2-3 years minimum to arrive at a massively simplified design for mass production, once the prototype has been bedded down, based on what I’ve seen of similarly complicated systems being developed. I would imagine/hope that this process is already in hand at some IH-owned facility.

    • guest

      From the one shot, it appears to have 2 walls of 7 racks with 4 modules stacked vertically in each rack, so 56 modules. Maybe two eCats per module to get 110? Maybe one live and one backup ecat per module?

  • Ivan Idso

    I don’t care if they have 2 noses as long as they get the ecat working!
    Keep up the good work guys!

  • fritz194

    Otherwise Im somewhat disappointed – because I thought he has already some kind of custom, scaleable e-cat controllers. I didnt expect a setup of 100 standard membran pumps and all the wire mess. Because they are in parallel – this should be no issue when it comes to common cause. But keep in mind that the MTBF and FIT values with so many parts may increase significant. Anyway, I would develop him some nice SIL3 capable, scalable controllers if he would be interested…… but I think there are still lots of open points with the primary parts.

  • fritz194

    Otherwise Im somewhat disappointed – because I thought he has already some kind of custom, scaleable e-cat controllers. I didnt expect a setup of 100 standard membran pumps and all the wire mess. Because they are in parallel – this should be no issue when it comes to common cause. But keep in mind that the MTBF and FIT values with so many parts may increase significant. Anyway, I would develop him some nice SIL3 capable, scalable controllers if he would be interested…… but I think there are still lots of open points with the primary parts.

  • Observer

    Don’t you believe in the Duality of the DOG? Their existence is independent of direction. The question is who is wagging what. Does the DOG wag the tail or does the GOD wag the world?

    • Mats002

      I thought we just learned that the CAT walk the DOG, GOD likes CATs.

      • Casey

        From my experience with the machine assembly, I see it easer to work with access from every side of builded machine and then move into container where is not much space to work.

  • robyn wyrick

    What I like most about these pictures is how mundane they are. Workers doing their jobs in a plant that looks incrementally better than the original 1MW plant design. Incrementally better is mundane. But science builds on the mundane until change sweeps everything.

    • bachcole

      Maryyugo would tell you that they are just pretending to be mundane.

  • Andre Blum

    who are cindy and wendy? (see permanent marker scribbles on power units)

    • Mats002

      At the heart of the way ahead Amiga computer there were three specialized chips, Wilma, Daphney and eh help me Bob or someone else that is an Amiga1000 fan. Anyway with the same mindset Cindy and Wendy is cat and mouse at the heart of the plant. And to continue that line, I bet somewhere in the plant you find the signatures of Rossi et al iched deeply in the metal. I wonder which place they choosed…

      • fritz194

        Agnus (there is even a Fat Agnus), Denise, Paula, Gary, Amber, Buster and so on, Alice, Lisa…Monica

    • Frank Acland

      I asked Rossi this:

      “Yes, to make it easier our the Team gave a name to every reactor. Some names are very funny.”

      • 110 names?

      • I wonder if two of them are “Itchy and Scratchy”.

      • Brokeeper

        All E-Cat blogger names. 🙂

    • Albert D. Kallal

      It quite common to name robots, or servers, or whatever in “creative” organizations.

      I recall a client that named all their print servers after characters from the Simpsons.

      So the printer down the hall was known as Bart, the one on the other side was Marge, and the close one was Ned. I think all in all they have about 10+ printers, and they managed to find a “Simpsons” name for all of them! I think they even used Krusy (the clown) as name.

      You have to give these boxes some kind of name. If this was my team? Well that one unit would be called Spock, the other one Bones, and the third one Kirk. The back room box of course would be called Scotty.

      Another favorite naming scheme would be classic si-fi films. (Dune, Blade Runner, 2001 etc.).

      Good to see these folks have a sense of fun!

      Regards,
      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

      • Nigel Appleton

        That’s right. I have an autoclave called “Hissing Sid”, and an end-of-life microcentrifuge called “You Bastard”

  • US_Citizen71

    While looking around the website I found this “The next year (2016) should prove to be quite revealing.” near the bottom of the page – http://andrea-rossi.com/new-page-1/

    I do not think the reveal is planned for this year at all.

    • Frank Acland

      I agree, I don’t expect we will be able to see the plant in action this year. Rossi says the testing will conclude between November ’15 and February ’16. Even if all goes well technically, there will surely be things to do before people are invited to visit.

      • So, about this time next year.

        • Frank Acland

          I would hope so.

  • Wonder if old G.W. (not you GreenWin) has seen these.

  • Andrew

    Is that a “branding” logo?

  • Andrew

    Is that a “branding” logo?

  • John Ehlers

    This question has been asked before, but I have not seen an answer: Since Rossi has a working “low temperature” e-cat and since replication of the hot cat is difficult because of high temperature and pressure, why are there not more replication efforts being done on the original e-cat?

    • Frank Acland

      I think because we have most information about the Hot Cat, since it was used in the third party tests done by Levi et al. We don’t have nearly as much information about the low temperature E-Cats.

      • NCY

        Yup, because we have no idea how they were made… also Hydrogen gas is dangerous, and has resulted in explosions in CF labs before.

    • Gerard McEk

      I expect that these 400-500 C E-cats have a much higher COP and that these are commercially more interesting. Rossi has kept it secret how to make these. Probably is the composition of the catalyzer (Nickel and additives) quite different from the hot-cat, which was developed later. Maybe he uses also EM stimulation?

      • MasterBlaster7

        EM stimulation…did you see that “no cell phones” sticker?

        • Gerard McEk

          I actually did, but I think is is needed to avoid influence on the readings of the sensitive instruments. You need proper screening of wiring to avoid that, maybe that was not done to reduce cost or it is just a precaution.
          On the other hand it could also be that LENR is being activated by it and it runs out of control….., but considering that the E-cat uses steel tubes, I do not think that external EM radiation can influence it.

          • enduser

            “No phones” often used as a means of keeping cameras away.

        • bachcole

          Nice catch. I saw it, but it did not register.

  • Anon2012_2014

    Rossi had a predecessor site where he posted his side of the story for PetrolDragon. This looks like an update to that site with a few more modern photos.

    Rossi is a rank amateur when it comes to making a professional PR image (think Elon Musk). He seems to do most of the copy himself on a shoe string. No one edits his copy to prevent embarrassments. This is neither bad nor good — it’s just Rossi’s personality as a do it yourself guy. We are lucky he has dropped the snakes and clowns nomenclature.

    • the web style is simple and of good taste.
      far from shutdown rossi…
      it is not web2.0 but I prefer like that.

  • Bob

    I really enjoy this saga…. and feel a bit like Sherlock Holmes piecing together a clear picture of reality from minute pieces of stray information! Here is another mystery to ponder…..

    From the website as pointed out on posts below ….
    “Rossi is now the chief scientist with IH, and has observed the units built by the company as being as good as the ones he has built. IH has a one megawatt plant built by Rossi that is currently in operation for a confidential customer.”

    This states that –
    A: Rossi has seen units built by the company and
    B: The operational unit at the confidential customer was built by Rossi.

    Sooo… the pictures are certainly not the 1mw plant seen from 2+ years ago in Italy in the blue shipping container, built by Rossi. So this must be “units built by the company” and not the unit in production operation at the secret customer. ( I guess it is possible that Rossi completely gutted his old 1mw plant and rebuilt it from scratch? )

    In any case, the mystery is…. is this plant actually the one in operation or is it one that is being built by IH with much more advanced systems and engineering? Perhaps I am reading too much into the above web statement, but then I like mysteries! I think there is a good possibility that the pictures are a from a second generation plant that IH is building from a more engineered approach.

    Who knows?

    • ecatworld

      Rossi says that what we see in the photos he released is the 1 MW plant being built in the IH Raleigh factory months ago. Once completed it was shipped to the customer plant where Rossi is now working with his team.

      • Bob

        Thanks for the followup … then the next question is what happened to the original “blue container” plant? Do you suppose it was scrapped or is it still operating? Rossi stated back then that he was shipping it to a customer who purchased it for use. The pictures show a red container and the internal systems are certainly not the same. I wonder if he would give us a clue as to what happened to “ol blue” so to say. ::)

        • ecatworld

          We know that it is was shipped to the US. I suspect that IH may have been the customer who bought the plant from Rossi. It was IH who did the 24 hour acceptance testing in Ferrara back in May 2013, and they took possession of the plant after it was deemed acceptable.

          • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

            So IH was the secret customer for the October 20111Mw plant (blue container), and this new plant (red container) is being made *by* IH for another customer.

          • Gerard McEk

            How can it be kept secret who the customer is all that long? Would that be possible when it is a ‘commercial’ customer? I bet it is military customer, where they are used to keep secrets. On the other hand, where would a military customer use steam for? Maybe as a pre-heater for a steam turbine? Maybe launch an alert on twiter/facebook to find the red sea container with the picture of the cat and the red circle?

  • Bob

    I really enjoy this saga…. and feel a bit like Sherlock Holmes piecing together a clear picture of reality from minute pieces of stray information! Here is another mystery to ponder…..

    From the website as pointed out on posts below ….
    “Rossi is now the chief scientist with IH, and has observed the units built by the company as being as good as the ones he has built. IH has a one megawatt plant built by Rossi that is currently in operation for a confidential customer.”

    This states that –
    A: Rossi has seen units built by the company and
    B: The operational unit at the confidential customer was built by Rossi.

    Sooo… the pictures are certainly not the 1mw plant seen from 2+ years ago in Italy in the blue shipping container, built by Rossi. So this must be “units built by the company” and not the unit in production operation at the secret customer. ( I guess it is possible that Rossi completely gutted his old 1mw plant and rebuilt it from scratch? )

    In any case, the mystery is…. is this plant actually the one in operation or is it one that is being built by IH with much more advanced systems and engineering? Perhaps I am reading too much into the above web statement, but then I like mysteries! I think there is a good possibility that the pictures are a from a second generation plant that IH is building from a more engineered approach.

    Who knows?

    • Frank Acland

      Rossi says that what we see in the photos he released is the 1 MW plant being built in the IH Raleigh factory months ago. Once completed it was shipped to the customer plant where Rossi is now working with his team.

      • Bob

        Thanks for the followup … then the next question is what happened to the original “blue container” plant? Do you suppose it was scrapped or is it still operating? Rossi stated back then that he was shipping it to a customer who purchased it for use. The pictures show a red container and the internal systems are certainly not the same. I wonder if he would give us a clue as to what happened to “ol blue” so to say. ::)

        • Frank Acland

          We know that it is was shipped to the US. I suspect that IH may have been the customer who bought the plant from Rossi. It was IH who did the 24 hour acceptance testing in Ferrara back in May 2013, and they took possession of the plant after it was deemed acceptable.

          • NCY

            So IH was the secret customer for the October 20111Mw plant (blue container), and this new plant (red container) is being made *by* IH for another customer.

          • Mike

            Did IH exist in 2011?

          • Gerard McEk

            How can it be kept secret who the customer is all that long? Would that be possible when it is a ‘commercial’ customer? I bet it is military customer, where they are used to keep secrets. On the other hand, where would a military customer use steam for? Maybe as a pre-heater for a steam turbine? Maybe launch an alert on twiter/facebook to find the red sea container with the picture of the cat and the red circle?

    • I think they are talking about two different things here. 1. IH is making the e-cat *modules*(referred to as units in the statement you qouted) on their own. 2. Rossi has been involved in the development and employment of the 1 megawatt plant, which is consisting of many(100?) such e-cat modules.

  • Daniel Maris

    Great news! It’s encouraging to have this information.

    Looks like the design has moved on, but is essentially the same.

  • ecatworld

    I think because we have most information about the Hot Cat, since it was used in the third party tests done by Levi et al. We don’t have nearly as much information about the low temperature E-Cats.

    • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

      Yup, because we have no idea how they were made… also Hydrogen gas is dangerous, and has resulted in explosions in CF labs before.

  • Daniel Maris

    Someone (Jami) on Independent E Cat News says this is the company, based in Clinton Michigan, where the E Cat is being tested.

    http://www.superiorheattreat.com/index.html

    Could just be a bit of mischief. Was suggested that was a connection with Fabiani.

    Not sure why this company is said to be connected. It does fit in a bit with Cherokee’s mission to revitalise areas in the states in economic distress and Clinton seems to be in the Detroit area, so that much is in line with what we know.

    Anyone else have any comments on that?

    • Timar

      I don’t think the heat supplied by the low-temperature E-Cat is sufficient for most of the heat-treatments this company is offering..

      • right, unless it covers a niche application.
        however hot cat could… not this plant which seems to warm water and at best provide low pressure steam.
        from the plumbing you can guess it is not high pressure steam.

        • georgehants

          Wonderful to see Mr. Rossi doing so well.
          We now need the Russians, Chinese etc. to announce a working device that can quickly be mass produced for the benefit of those with most need.
          Making vast profits for a few while the majority have very little, will hopefully become a laughed at stage in the history of mankind soon.

          • Andre Blum

            Good question. I too am struggling with fitting the different angles together to one picture. Are they the same container at all? Or are they taken at very different stages of assembly?

          • ecatworld

            I asked Rossi yesterday if everything we see in the photos is inside one large shipping container:

            “a) No, the activity of manufactiring in the photos is taken inside a factory in Raleigh”

        • MasterBlaster7

          From the plumbing…

          It looks like I am seeing a lot of PVC pipe and clear plastic tubes. Looks like a water cooled computer mod…

          Could any engineer hazard a guess as to how warm the warm water of the warm cat could be based on the pictures pictured?

          • Agaricus

            The pipes visible in the Rossi image probably supply DI feedwater for the e-cat boilers or act as drains, so they wouldn’t need to withstand elevated temperatures.

            If the process steam is condensed and returned to a common tank it’s still unlikely that the temperature would ever exceed 30-40C at the metering pumps.

          • MasterBlaster7

            ah thanks

      • US_Citizen71

        Probably done to hide a logo, the resolution of the photo isn’t high enough to learn much of anything about what is being built on it. Good catch.

      • Felipe

        I saw no cold fusion, and maybe there is not any lenr too, how you can believe this guy Frank Acland? he does not have any proof or evidence, just a fanciful mind.

        • psi2u2

          I see that you may be new here, Felipe?

  • deleo77

    I’m guessing these photos are of the same factory that the state inspectors to a look at in December that was empty. It leads me to believe that the plant was in fact constructed there but perhaps this group has been disbanded and Rossi has headed back to Florida. IH is simply in a wait and see mode to see what this plant is able to do over the next year. If things go well likely future manufacturing will move over to China.

    • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

      i highly doubt that IH is simply ‘waiting’ for anything, R&D will be continuing.

  • deleo77

    I’m guessing these photos are of the same factory that the state inspectors to a look at in December that was empty. It leads me to believe that the plant was in fact constructed there but perhaps this group has been disbanded and Rossi has headed back to Florida. IH is simply in a wait and see mode to see what this plant is able to do over the next year. If things go well likely future manufacturing will move over to China.

    • NCY

      i highly doubt that IH is simply ‘waiting’ for anything, R&D will be continuing.

  • Oceans2014

    Fantastic photo shoot i sense a marketing campaign in the works and release of new information that will validate Rossi and the eCats.

    • Agaricus

      Such ‘validation’ would be completely unnecessary for commercial purposes and Rossi may have had to fight for permission from IH to release these images. I think he may be quite sensitive to the opinions of those who have been avidly following his story (as opposed to the skeps), and perhaps wanted to toss us a bone to chew on.

  • BroKeeper

    Again, is it a coincidence Crude Oil fell 2.25 points soon after Rossi’s response about the photos on his Web site? Check it out starting at around 10:30AM:
    http://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil-advanced-chart

    • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

      yes. It would be very silly to bet against oil based on evidence of the E-cat, as they do not compete. The E-cat is used to make heat, and maybe, someday soon, electricity. Oil is not used for either of those purposes. Any other applications of the E-cat are so far in the future that they bear no relevance on investors decisions now.

      • Fibber McGourlick

        Over 3 1/2 billion gallons of heating oil was consumed in American homes in 2013.

        • Anthony Richards

          Quite. This would / will have a major impact on oil prices, but it seems fanciful to imagine it’s already doing so.

        • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

          compared to how many billions of tonnes of coal used to make electricity for heating? my point is that the MAIN use of oil is not heating.

    • psi2u2

      Pretty steep decline, timing is right. Looks very possible.

  • Brokeeper

    Again, is it a coincidence Crude Oil fell 2.25 points soon after Rossi’s response about the photos on his new website? Check it out starting at around 10:30AM (02/18/2015):
    http://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil-advanced-chart

    • NCY

      yes. It would be very silly to bet against oil based on evidence of the E-cat, as they do not compete. The E-cat is used to make heat, and maybe, someday soon, electricity. Oil is not used for either of those purposes. Any other applications of the E-cat are so far in the future that they bear no relevance on investors decisions now.

      • Brent Buckner

        Cheap electricity would be a potential substitute for the use of oil in transport. Diesel is used in a significant amounts of electrical generation globally. Even cheaper electricity could be used to make synthetic fuel from CO2 feedstock. NYMEX crude futures trade out as far as 8 years, and oil companies analyze capital projects investment expectations over much longer timeframes.

      • Fibber McGourlick

        Over 3 1/2 billion gallons of heating oil was consumed in American homes in 2013.

        • Anthony Richards

          Quite. This would / will have a major impact on oil prices, but it seems fanciful to imagine it’s already doing so.

        • NCY

          compared to how many billions of tonnes of coal used to make electricity for heating? my point is that the MAIN use of oil is not heating.

    • psi2u2

      Pretty steep decline, timing is right. Looks very possible.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    That is really one slick outfit.

    MOST encouraging is those “small” little control modules! Gee, can I “slip” one of the those workers a $100 bottle of scotch + a check to buy 3 or 6 of those “little” and so very cute little control modules (each with their LENR reactor) ? a 3 or 6 pack unit would fit nicely beside my furnace!

    They are “small”, and scalable! It would be a snap to take 3 or 6 of those little magic boxes and build a home-cat model.

    These folks are a good 4 years ahead of everyone, and their design can result really ANY size of reactor.

    Anyone want a 1 or 2 reactor tiny unit for camping heaters?

    Or a 100 unit system for a industrial sized system.

    The system looks great and has a “ere” similar look to early computers!

    I think the only issue left here is what kind of performance and COP such a system will produce.

    As others pointed out, just like large computers of yester year, these systems will improve and shrink over time.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

    well not… ‘infinite’ we only have enough nickel on earth to last us a few billion years. 🙂

  • bachcole

    I just read all of the material currently on Rossi’s very own website about his life. It is probably a good thing that this life happened to him and not me, or else we would have another serial murderer in our midst.

    It is funny that when you click on “NEWS” you get nothing. Obviously they haven’t finished that part of the website, but it is poetic anyway.

    I wish that I were a fly sneaking around in Rossi’s subconscious. I am pretty sure that I would come across some mental impressions that aren’t so very charitable as many might think. I suspect that he is going for the gold and to hell with everyone else. It would require a great deal of spiritual effort to forgive what those people did to him. Even if you dear reader don’t think that what Rossi wrote is exactly how things went down, Rossi does, and that is what will fester in one’s subconscious for decades. I would be pissed beyond belief. I am sure that Rossi has disciplined himself to not think so much about it, knowing that dwelling on it is not good for one’s mental/spiritual health. And good for him; see, religion has value. But that does not mean that that resentment is not present in his unconscious conditioning his attitude about sharing and caring.

  • Mike

    I don’t really understand first two images. Can anyone explain the vievs? Are the images showing the same equipment. The picture with Rossi seems to be taken in a quite large space? Which standard container size fit this picture, or is it simply a lot of reactors outside a container………the wall profile doesn’t fit the outside wall profile on the red container

    • Andre Blum

      Good question. I too am struggling with fitting the different angles together to one picture. Are they the same container at all? Or are they taken at very different stages of assembly?

      • Frank Acland

        I asked Rossi yesterday if everything we see in the photos is inside one large shipping container:

        “a) No, the activity of manufactiring in the photos is taken inside a factory in Raleigh”

        • AlbertNN

          I would then say they are taken inside a container that is placed inside a factory. You can actually see through the open container door in one photo, and there is a table with supplies visible. And as the floor is different, there is probably the insides from at least two containers in the photos above. This might then also explain why the factory was found empty at a later stage, as these containers now have been moved somewhere else.

          • Casey

            From my experience with the machine assembly, I see it easer to work with access from every side of builded machine and then move into container where is not much space to work.

          • AlbertNN

            I would agree. The design of the machine itself inside the container seems very constrained, and not very serviceable. For instance there are a lot fewer valves than I would have put in in order to be able to isolate and exchange modules without having to shut down and drain the whole machine to do so.

  • Gerard McEk

    I expect that these 400-500 C E-cats have a much higher COP and that these are commercially more interesting. Rossi has kept it secret how to make these. Probably is the composition of the catalyzer (Nickel and additives) quite different from the hot-cat, which was developed later. Maybe he uses also EM stimulation?

    • MasterBlaster7

      EM stimulation…did you see that “no cell phones” sticker?

      • Gerard McEk

        I actually did, but I think is is needed to avoid influence on the readings of the sensitive instruments. You need proper screening of wiring to avoid that, maybe that was not done to reduce cost or it is just a precaution.
        On the other hand it could also be that LENR is being activated by it and it runs out of control….., but considering that the E-cat uses steel tubes, I do not think that external EM radiation can influence it.

        • enduser

          “No phones” often used as a means of keeping cameras away.

  • Gerard McEk

    Would the appearance of Rossi’s new site be the first step of commecialization of the E-cat (under the umbrella of IH). In other words, is he preparing for a commercial launch soon?

    • Gerard McEk

      It seems indeed more likely:
      curwin
      February 18th, 2015 at 7:31 PM

      Andrea,

      The drawing of the cat silhouette & red dot shown in a couple of
      the photos is very pleasing somehow. New company logo or just a bit of
      fun?

      Andrea Rossi
      February 18th, 2015 at 8:47 PM

      Curwin:
      It is our registered trade mark.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • Andre Blum

        Gerard,
        This logo was presented quite some time ago (2 years perhaps?), and was shown on artist renderings of the home e-cat.

    • ecatworld

      I don’t think we’ll see a commercial launch until after the production testing underway is concluded — Rossi says he expects that will be between Nov ’15 and Feb ’16.

  • Gerard McEk

    Would the appearance of Rossi’s new site be the first step of commecialization of the E-cat (under the umbrella of IH). In other words, is he preparing for a commercial launch soon?

    • Gerard McEk

      It seems indeed more likely:
      curwin
      February 18th, 2015 at 7:31 PM

      Andrea,

      The drawing of the cat silhouette & red dot shown in a couple of
      the photos is very pleasing somehow. New company logo or just a bit of
      fun?

      Andrea Rossi
      February 18th, 2015 at 8:47 PM

      Curwin:
      It is our registered trade mark.
      Warm Regards,
      A.R.

      • Andre Blum

        Gerard,
        This logo was presented quite some time ago (2 years perhaps?), and was shown on artist renderings of the home e-cat.

        • Sergio

          I don’t know how one can trademark a national flag…

          • clovis ray

            lol, i think he meant, the cat with red ball, not old glory.

          • Sergio

            I was indeed referring to the red ball ( on the white background) 🙂
            Seems a bit illegal, and a bit weird..

          • Huh?

          • bachcole

            I want to hear this very much.

          • AlbertNN

            It does really look like a montage of a cat and the Japanese flag. It was at least my first impression.

    • Frank Acland

      I don’t think we’ll see a commercial launch until after the production testing underway is concluded — Rossi says he expects that will be between Nov ’15 and Feb ’16.

  • georgehants

    Wonderful to see Mr. Rossi doing so well.
    We now need the Russians, Chinese etc. to announce a working device that can quickly be mass produced for the benefit of those with most need.
    Making vast profits for a few while the majority have very little, will hopefully become a laughed at stage in the history of mankind soon.
    http://alternativeperspective.blogspot.co.uk/2005/04/living-in-unequal

  • SteveW

    An absolutely revolutionary scientific breakthrough and discovery by Rossi. Unfortunately the laboratory test apparatus was directly adapted for commercialization. Now you add sophisticated engineering but you still have an unpractical commercial product. I was really hoping to see something totally different than the original plant. After four years of waiting, as far as I’m concerned Rossi has accomplished little to really advance this technology though I am sure he has worked very hard. This is what happens when someone works tirelessly- going down the wrong track. I now view IH as amateurish, They are not in the big leagues, they just followed along and funded Rossi’s unbridled plans. I put the blame more on IH for being un-visionary followers. When someone works on a design for a long time they become closed to other possibilities- it’s just how the brain works. Dramatically changing a design may mean throwing away years of work, this causes mental distress which leads to self delusion. Rossi needed a technology company to step in and say no sometimes and have vision and ideas to put into the mix.

    For those still wondering if this technology is real, I suppose these pictures will help them to realize it is. But for me, I’ve already believed it’s real for a long time. I just want this technology to be released, so, now unfortunately, others will be able to design the reactors to change the world.

    For Rossi’s sake, I hope this is just a decoy to deceive the competition and the real plant is being developed in secret.

    • mcloki

      Dude. Did you not see the first Apple computers. They were made of wood. The thing you take away from the product is not the materials that’s it’s made out of but how it looks. It’s the fact that the thing works at all that’s important. I;m sure that the Industrial design will sort itself out for what is in essence a hot water heater. You don’t need it to look like an iPhone or a Tesla.

      • SteveW

        I had one of the first Apple II computers, serial # around 80,000, and actually developed software/ games for the Apple computer that hit #1- so yes I’ve seen them but this is not the same issue. My issue is the design is not commercially practical and IH should have seen this. I would have rather seen a prototype reactor made out of wood with a practical design. They had an opportunity and missed it.

        • MasterBlaster7

          Woz is that you?

          • SteveW

            No sorry, I’m not nearly that important. However, If I was Steve Wozniak I would probably be investing some of my millions in a LENR start-up and probably not posting on this board.

        • clovis ray

          Not commercially practical, wooden reactors, wooo,eee.

        • Josh G

          What about this makes you think that is is not commercially practical?

        • Ged

          Prove it’s not “commercially viable” rather than just saying rhetoric, so that there is data or actual opinion to evaluate. The design looks fine. It appears small and compact for a power plant at a 1 MW level, particularly given the numerous amount of sub reactors working together.

          • SteveW

            I will let history pass judgment

          • Ged

            AKA you have no idea nor backing to your proclinations. The design is cheap, mobile, and modular. The Military would love it, and dispersal across the commercial world would be fast and cheap as no large scale building constructions are necessary.

            You should look at what the inside of a modern day power plant looks like; it should give a useful frame of reference for contextualization.

          • psi2u2

            Steven,

            You just said, based on some internet photos, “my issue is that the design is not commercially practical.” Either modify that statement in accordance with the reality that you have almost no basis to make such a judgement, or stand by what you said. Modifying your position by saying “I will let history pass judgement” is just evasion.

            History will pass judgement. In the meantime, it might be useful to refrain from statements like “not commercially practical.” You don’t know that and can’t know it.

    • clovis ray

      boy’ i feel better now, that was a great load i was carrying, this is all a dream, and i will awake soon, ba, ha , ha.

    • You’re joking, right?

    • Christina

      Dr. Rossi said that the critical machinery was not being shown; hence, we don’t know what’s what as we see only the periphery. The guts could be like the old or as new as the starship called “Enterprise.”

      Christina

    • curious

      Wgen it comes to industrial low volume equipment there is little difference between a prototype and an early production unit.

      • bachcole

        Thank you for that.

    • builditnow

      Steve W, you have missed the point. To get certification, the “close to identical” equipment is required to show thousands of hours of reliable and safe operation.
      You can’t UL certify one piece of equipment and use that certification on a different product.

      Rossi is going for certification of his earlier E-Cat. With the 1 megawatt system, he has about 100 units running for 365 days = 438,000 hours of proven track record when the year is up.
      This is undoubtedly what the UL is demanding for such unknown technology.
      Even then, they might not approve it, but, that’s probably what UL has asked Rossi to do.

      As you can see from the Hot Cat, there new reactors in the pipeline.
      If certification for the “old” E-Cat can be obtained, certification on the newer reactors will be a lot easier to obtain.
      So, be happy 🙂

    • greggoble

      No UL approval is required for industrial use, the many hours of operation is a step in that direction (future home use). I don’t completely understand the disappointment, unpractical commercial product, the wrong track, or un-visionary followers angle. His method of producing 1MW of high temp heat is nothing to sneeze at.

      The best my mind can wrap around in understanding this Steve is an analogy to the Wright Bros plane, a design which quickly became obsolete, and their company which wasn’t that successful, and the other companies which were highly successful due to quickly advancing improvements in engineering and working theoretical models.

      With that in mind… Seldon Technologies probably has a solid state advanced LENRgy product to surprise us all with and Liviu Popa Simil is certainly an impressive example of solid state LENRgy improved design concepts (extremely scalable). Other recent patent claims in improved LENRgy designs include harvesting those heavy elektrons in a manner that delivers current, a nicely ordered flow of electrons emanating from the low energy nuclear reactive environment.

      “This is far from a “Narrow Band” set of physical phenomena.” -Bushnell NASA

      Hmmm… Yes, consideration of new and improved designs makes sense. Nothing here says that the folks working with Rossi are aware of this. Nothing here shows that the folks working with Rossi are working on it. Yet they might be… hmmmm.

      By the way, the Strategic Relations folks at NASA have allowed Bushnells’ paper to be re-posted under a new link. (it had been removed)

      “Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, the Realism and the Outlook”
      http://larctechnology.larc.nasa.gov/thinking/low-energy-nuclear-reactions.html 

  • Timar

    No idea. Perhaps a spa resort? 😉

    • or a water park
      this would be a good client for LT E-cat

  • clovis ray

    boy’ i feel better now, that was a great load i was carrying, this is all a dream, and i will awake soon, ba, ha , ha.

  • You’re joking, right?

  • Christina

    Dr. Rossi,

    Thank you very much for the pictures.

    Christina

  • builditnow

    A reactor test setup that gets around many of the issues of heating at high temperatures.

    A hot air system heating and control system:

    It’s simple, controllable, no pressure issues, small leaks are not a problem and you can heat with a gas heater to easily achieve the desired temperature.
    It also has the ability to quickly dump lots of heat.

    Since the Lugano Report indicated kilowatts of heat, and the Russian replication indicated kilowatts of heat, measurements don’t need to be very accurate to get started with and refine the test reactors.

    I’m envisioning, a MFMP dog bone like reactor constructed of the same materials as the Lugano test and the Russian replication. It would be a tube sealed at both ends with no power source, no electric wires, just some high temperature thermocouples attached to the outside (and inside if you can).

    The reactor is placed in an air circulating system made of high temperature materials, built like a flattened circle mounted vertically. In the top part of the circle sits the reactor. In the bottom is a fan assisted gas heater to heat up the air and designed to not vent heat when the gas heater is not running. A circulating fan constructed of the same high temperature materials is placed in the cooler side of the lower tube driven by a motor outside the reactor (protected by insulation / cooling). If possible a similar circulating fan is also in the top tube to make sure that the reactor receives consistent moving air over it’s length.

    A cold air dump system is added with an air pump (could be a shop vac running in reverse) and control valves far enough from the reactor that they are not hot so they don’t need to be high tech (could be a used car automatic throttle control valve). The cold air dump system would consist of two down pipes attached to the bottom of the circle on both sides of the gas heater. The cold air in would be on the output of the heater. The air dump out would be on the in side of the gas heater.

    Explosion vents to be provided liberally. These are constructed as very thin areas that are designed to blow out very easily and can be replaced very easily.

    The whole flattened circle is insulated with a high temperature material.
    Around the top reactor section, multi turn fine copper wire coils are placed over the insulation and can be cooled by a fan with cold air. The electric stimulation of the copper coils can be provided by a standard chopping type dimmer switch or motor controller, preferably set to low (maximum chopped current) and designed to give a strong magnetic pulse.

    A programmable controller to automatically activate the cold air dump would be very nice to have.

    Data logging equipment is very desirable.

    The system operation:
    1. Load the reactor, seal it, test the seal,
    2. Place the reactor in the top part of flattened circle,
    3. Attach recording devices, thermocouples, IR camera via a suitable port with a high temperature window or small amount of cold air input to protect the camera,
    4. Start the cold dump fan with the control valve off so no cold air is provided (or it might be wise to dump small amounts of air to clear any leaked hydrogen out of the circulating air).
    5. Start the circulating fans that move the air inside the reactor circle,
    6. Place the safety gear in place, blast shield and fume extraction fans,
    7. Start the gas heater and bring the air temperature up the the first test point,
    8. Watch the reactor heat up,
    9. Look for any case where the reactor is hotter than the air,
    A REACTOR HOTTER THAN THE AIR = EXOTHERMIC, not necessarily LENR exothermic proof at this point,
    10. Very slowly increase the reactor temperature. Note if it is becoming increasingly exothermic (having an increasingly higher temperature than the hot air circulating).

    Expected results:
    A. Nothing happens, keep the experiment running for a week, try another reactor, talk to other researchers.
    B. There is a slight temperature increase. There might be a hydrogen leak, evaluate options.
    C. There is a very significant temperature increase. In this case the cold air dump system may need to be operated to keep the reactor from over heating.

    If you get option C. the reactor should easily maintain hot air in the entire flattened circle (which is well insulated) and some heat dump via the cold air dump system may be necessary to prevent reactor overheating. The external gas heat should not be required. The more exothermic the reactor becomes, the lower the temperature of the circulating air required to keep the reactor from over heating.

    If you get option C. working, enclose the reactor in a blast shield insulated box (with blast safety vents) and measure the exhaust air volume and temperature differential from the room temperature (a used auto mass air sensor and thermo couple could do). Measure the power input of the fans and remove it from the heat calculation. Now you have power output accurate enough for a multi kW reactor.

    When you have your reactors running reliably at multiple kW, obtain a small jet turbine (could be a model aircraft turbine) and adapt the turbine to be the heat dump part of the system. Get a turbine with shaft output power and a gearbox suitable to drive a generator, could be a car alternator charging a battery. Electronics can be powered by an inverter attached to the battery. In this case the system has to be much more robust with few leaks at 200psi. If all is good, you could have plenty of excess electrical power to drive the control electronics with power to spare. Then you have a self running system with no external connections. Enjoy watching the perceptual motion skeptics will go nuts.

    Keep me in the loop.

  • builditnow

    A reactor test setup that gets around many of the issues of heating at high temperatures.

    A hot air system heating and control system:

    It’s simple, controllable, no pressure issues, small leaks are not a problem and you can heat with a gas heater to easily achieve the desired temperature.
    It also has the ability to quickly dump lots of heat.

    Since the Lugano Report indicated kilowatts of heat, and the Russian replication indicated kilowatts of heat, measurements don’t need to be very accurate to get started with and refine the test reactors.

    I’m envisioning, a MFMP dog bone like reactor constructed of the same materials as the Lugano test and the Russian replication. It would be a tube sealed at both ends with no power source, no electric wires, just some high temperature thermocouples attached to the outside (and inside if you can).

    The reactor is placed in an air circulating system made of high temperature materials, built like a flattened circle mounted vertically. In the top part of the circle sits the reactor. In the bottom is a fan assisted gas heater to heat up the air and designed to not vent heat when the gas heater is not running. A circulating fan constructed of the same high temperature materials is placed in the cooler side of the lower tube driven by a motor outside the reactor (protected by insulation / cooling). If possible a similar circulating fan is also in the top tube to make sure that the reactor receives consistent moving air over it’s length.

    A cold air dump system is added with an air pump (could be a shop vac running in reverse) and control valves far enough from the reactor that they are not hot so they don’t need to be high tech (could be a used car automatic throttle control valve). The cold air dump system would consist of two down pipes attached to the bottom of the circle on both sides of the gas heater. The cold air in would be on the output of the heater. The air dump out would be on the in side of the gas heater.

    Explosion vents to be provided liberally. These are constructed as very thin areas that are designed to blow out very easily and can be replaced very easily.

    The whole flattened circle is insulated with a high temperature material.
    Around the top reactor section, multi turn fine copper wire coils are placed over the insulation and can be cooled by a fan with cold air. The electric stimulation of the copper coils can be provided by a standard chopping type dimmer switch or motor controller, preferably set to low (maximum chopped current) and designed to give a strong magnetic pulse.

    A programmable controller to automatically activate the cold air dump would be very nice to have.

    Data logging equipment is very desirable.

    The system operation:
    1. Load the reactor, seal it, test the seal,
    2. Place the reactor in the top part of flattened circle,
    3. Attach recording devices, thermocouples, IR camera via a suitable port with a high temperature window or small amount of cold air input to protect the camera,
    4. Start the cold dump fan with the control valve off so no cold air is provided (or it might be wise to dump small amounts of air to clear any leaked hydrogen out of the circulating air).
    5. Start the circulating fans that move the air inside the reactor circle,
    6. Place the safety gear in place, blast shield and fume extraction fans,
    7. Start the gas heater and bring the air temperature up the the first test point,
    8. Watch the reactor heat up,
    9. Look for any case where the reactor is hotter than the air,
    A REACTOR HOTTER THAN THE AIR = EXOTHERMIC, not necessarily LENR exothermic proof at this point,
    10. Very slowly increase the reactor temperature. Note if it is becoming increasingly exothermic (having an increasingly higher temperature than the hot air circulating).

    Expected results:
    A. Nothing happens, keep the experiment running for a week, try another reactor, talk to other researchers.
    B. There is a slight temperature increase. There might be a hydrogen leak, evaluate options.
    C. There is a very significant temperature increase. In this case the cold air dump system may need to be operated to keep the reactor from over heating.

    If you get option C. the reactor should easily maintain hot air in the entire flattened circle (which is well insulated) and some heat dump via the cold air dump system may be necessary to prevent reactor overheating. The external gas heat should not be required. The more exothermic the reactor becomes, the lower the temperature of the circulating air required to keep the reactor from over heating.

    If you get option C. working, enclose the reactor in a blast shield insulated box (with blast safety vents) and measure the exhaust air volume and temperature differential from the room temperature (a used auto mass air sensor and thermo couple could do). Measure the power input of the fans and remove it from the heat calculation. Now you have power output accurate enough for a multi kW reactor.

    When you have your reactors running reliably at multiple kW, obtain a small jet turbine (could be a model aircraft turbine) and adapt the turbine to be the heat dump part of the system. Get a turbine with shaft output power and a gearbox suitable to drive a generator, could be a car alternator charging a battery. Electronics can be powered by an inverter attached to the battery. In this case the system has to be much more robust with few leaks at 200psi. If all is good, you could have plenty of excess electrical power to drive the control electronics with power to spare. Then you have a self running system with no external connections. Enjoy watching the perceptual motion skeptics will go nuts.

    Keep me in the loop.

  • builditnow

    Reactor test design update: Another way to do it.

    How about inserting a rod of platinum in the reactor and heating it with induction heating.
    Place the reactor inside a larger tube with insulation around the outside.

    Then use air for heat removal as needed.
    Induction heating can go to the melting point of platinum, and above, way hotter than you need and is fully controllable.

  • builditnow

    Reactor test design update: Another way to do it.

    How about inserting a rod of platinum in the reactor and heating it with induction heating.
    Place the reactor inside a larger tube with insulation around the outside.

    Then use air for heat removal as needed.
    Induction heating can go to the melting point of platinum, and above, way hotter than you need and is fully controllable.

  • Jamie Sibley
    • US_Citizen71

      Probably done to hide a logo, the resolution of the photo isn’t high enough to learn much of anything about what is being built on it. Good catch.

    • bachcole

      I kind of like it. It gives me more assurance that they have something to hide, like the greatest invention in the history of the world.

    • Also – in the ‘Rossi’ photo there appear to be two areas of heavy alteration inside the rack that AR is standing in front of – they are at head and waist height, just inside the vertical rack support, and above the yellow horizontal stripes on the blue casings. Some additional black ‘wiring’ seems to have been crudely painted onto part of the upper area of smearing to give the impression of detail. The alterations become very obvious when the image is magnified.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Outside the yellow container, behind the door opening, there is a large cardboard box with the writing “Schneider Electric”. (It needs some adjustments in brightness and contrast to see it.)

    Schneider Electric is a big multinational enterprise with its headquarters in France. They are selling electrical equipment, among others “installation components for energy management” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneider_Electric ).

    For those who like speculations, Schneider acquired Areva’s Transmission & distribution sector in 2010. Rossi has recently mentioned Areva (http://www.ecat-thenewfire.com/blog/enel-early-refusal-towards-lenr/#comment-149 ) and stated that he is “in constant contact” with Dr. Pierre Clauzon, who appears to be a retired Areva scientist ( http://fr.linkedin.com/pub/pierre-clauzon/45/a55/280 ).

    So it would not be too far-fetched to connect some of the dots. Schneider Electric might be just a supplier of parts, but it does not seem impossible that there is a closer relationship between them and Rossi’s company.

    • bachcole

      Far less speculative than some of the talk I see around here.

    • Mark

      nice find, i had to way up the brightness to see it. Also, in the first picture peering inside the plant, there is three rows of words in the top left. The middle row says ‘Control Panel’. not a major scoop but wonder what the other two rows say and whether it tells us anything interesting.

  • Agaricus

    In the ‘Rossi’ photo there appear to be two areas of heavy alteration, just inside the rack that AR is standing in front of – they are at head and waist height, just inside the vertical rack support.

  • Huh?

  • Felipe

    I saw no cold fusion, and maybe there is not any lenr too, how you can believe this guy Frank Acland? he does not have any proof or evidence, just a fanciful mind.

    • Fibber McGourlick

      There are none so blind as those who will not see.

    • psi2u2

      I see that you may be new here, Felipe?

      • Felipe

        do you have any proof? or you are just a blind believer?

        • bachcole

          Filipe, we are not true or blind believers. We follow the evidence very closely. As much as I appreciate Frank, he is not the source of our data; he is only passing the links on to us and sharing his opinions. You might want to calm your anger until you have checked this out. I made this list for the very purpose of helping people like you get up to speed:

          The following is an introduction to cold fusion by Dr. Mike McKubre, who is very believable. The 8 videos take up about an hour. This is the first time that I understood that mainstream physics was in trouble:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtweR_qGHEc

          This is Pam Mosier-Boss, who is a boss of a scientist. This is very convincing stuff:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbA6ZH8AiN4

          This is the 2013 report of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat which reports 3 tests of up to 104 continuous hours of operation. High schools will be named after Andrea Rossi. Your great, great grandchildren will know who Andrea Rossi was. The first test resulted in the E-Cat melting and flopping on the floor. (:->)

          http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3913v3.pdf

          This is the 2014 follow-up of 32 days of continuous operation of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat.

          http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf

          This is the English translation of the report of the duplication of Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat. The duplicator is a scientist from Russia named Alexander Parkhomov, a name to remember:

          http://www.scribd.com/doc/254323365/ParkhomovPaper-20150129-English

          If you closely study all of these links, I promise that you will jump up and down for joy. This list is merely the tippy-tip of the iceberg. There is much, much more.

          • Felipe

            I personally believe it is possible to extract energy of matter, thorium, uranium, etc. the aliens have already achieved this, but andrea rossi did not manage it.

          • psi2u2

            Thanks Bachole. I notice that Felipe did not respond to the content of your posting or acknowledge the relevance of Dr. McKubre’s expertise. O well, you tried anyway.

        • psi2u2

          No, of course I’m just a blind believer. Duh.

          • Felipe

            you got a smile from me through a low-energy mood reaction.

      • Felipe

        I’ve been following this site for a while

  • Hador_NYC

    These photos look promising to me. That looks like a proper setup to me for what I’d expect them to show, without giving away the goods. I still won’t be a believer until the final proof is out there, but you can put me well in the supporter camp. This makes me think he could have it, and that’s enough for me. I am very hopeful.

  • curious

    That the machine is built does not ensure it works. Let’s see.

    If you look at the picture of the inside of the plant, I think Rossi was standing behind the left rack of modules, way at the back. Behind Rossi you can see the four red controller boxes that appear are visible in front of the right rack, and there must be four more behind the left rack.

    The three cubes are Cindy, Sandy and Wendy. It looks like Wendy is connected to both Cindy and Sandy (you can see two sets of holes on the back of Wendy). Cindy and Sandy must be dedicated to each half of the plant.

    The back of Cindy shows five yellow labels on the connectors. Another photo shows that the labels are “Out 49-54 Zone” “Out 37-48 Zone” “Out 25-36 Zone” So each box controls 54 modules.

    Cindy and Sandy have large 24-pin power connectors, two wires for each of the 12 zones. Those must send the electrical power to each module. I guess the boxes are full of triac controllers.

    There are two switches with a lot of blue Ethernet-type cables. I guess they have a dedicated controller for each module and they use Ethernet to connect.

    The red boxes with LCD displays must be metering pumps, similar to this one.

    http://www.advantagecontrols.com/products.php?category_id=3&products_id=6

    Sorry if I bore you. It is frustrating that there is so little information to be extracted from the photos. On the other hand, knowing how the reactors work the setup is quite straightforward except replicated one hundred times.