Tom Darden of Industrial Heat to Speak at ICCF19

Many thanks to We Want Fusione Fredda for pointing out some new speakers on the ICCF19 program for Monday Morning. Here’s the speaker’s roster for the program on Monday Morning:


The big news to me is that Tom Darden, chairman of Industrial Heat, is going to be stepping in front of an audience at a public meeting to (presumably) talk about the E-Cat.

So far, Industrial Heat has been very quiet in public, and this is a major step to have him show up at a meeting specifically about cold fusion, where I am sure he will be getting lots of attention, and plenty of questions if he has time for them. Andrea Rossi has always declined to participate in these kinds of meeting, which has made him somewhat of an outsider in LENR circles. Perhaps Darden and Industrial Heat have decided it is time to build some bridges and get involved with the community where his company could well be considered the leader in the field.

  • Daniel Maris

    Wow! Big news in my opinion.

    Will be very interesting to hear what he says. We will, I believe, be able to guage a lot from what he says.

    • You said it Daniel.

  • Gerard McEk

    Great! The first time he may be saying something about the Ecat. But, as Andrea always says, it can be positive or negative.

    • Ah, come on Gerald, think positively. Seems IH is coming out of the closet.

      • Gerard McEk

        I am Barry, but it would be strange if more info is being released than Andrea normaal does. It would be awesome if he does, but I expect it’s more like an echo of Andrea with regards to the Ecat. It may be though that he enlightens us about how he sees the future, when the Ecat continues to perform as it does now. 🙂

        • Omega Z

          There appears to be an intentional bleeding of Info from Rossi. No longer a slip of tongue. Maybe this is all orchestrated by Tom Darden Industrial Heat/Cherokee.

          Possibly, Darden finds this an opportune time and place to do some more behind the scenes preparations like the China connection.

          • clovis ray

            I would think they would have that all tied up by now,

          • Omega Z

            Arrangements are done according to meeting certain milestones.
            It’s possible the 1Mw pilot plant has reached a point where Darden can now move farther along their business path.

            While everyone at this conference will have questions for Darden, Darden may be seeking information himself. Information on things like direct electricity conversion.

            We’ll have to wait & see. He may say nothing we aren’t already aware of. However, it would come directly from him rather then Rossi or other outside sources.

  • Sanjeev

    Great news. First public appearance of Tom in relation to LENR. This will attract a lot of attention.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Good news

  • 🙂

  • Private Citizen

    Would be great if he demonstrated a working, preferably self-looped, E-Cat. IH still has an enormous hurdle convincing most of the world they have the goods. Remember, BS talks and product walks.

    Glad to see Darden at least stepping up and acting like a CEO. With the product he potentially offers, he could/should eclipse Elon Musk, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates.

    Honestly, am expecting nothing more than coy rhetoric. But that’s a start.

    • Omega Z

      Considering Dardens past silence, just showing up at ICCF is a big deal.

      • clovis ray

        And remember there was a purpose, for past silence

  • and robert duncan too!

    • Ecat

      In 2012, Duncan formed the Sidney Kimmel Institute for Nuclear Renaissance (SKINR) at MU, which was empowered by a major gift from Sidney Kimmel. He created the Center for Emerging Energy Sciences (CEES) at TTU in 2015. Both CEES and SKINR seek to understand the origins of the Anomalous Heat Effect (AHE) in certain metals that are loaded with hydrogen isotopes.

      • Josh G

        He was also, it should be remembered, the physicist that 60 minutes got for their ‘Cold Fusion is Hot Again’ piece. Here is some interesting background on that from Michael McKubre’s history of ICCF meetings on the ICCF webpage (from ICCF 14:

        “Before the conference I had been working with producers at “60 Minutes” and the Energetics’ folks (Alison Godfrey and Irv Dardik) for several months, and it would take more than 6 months more before the program “Cold Fusion Is Hot Again” aired to general (but not unanimous) critical acclaim on April 19, 2009. It was an interesting experience and the “60 Minutes” folks were the most careful and “fact provable” people I have ever worked with. One of the things we critically needed was an independent expert from a neutral or antagonistic position who would be willing to review the literature, visit the laboratories where Energetics work was being performed (Omer Israel, ENEA Frascati and SRI Menlo Park), and then make a public report on camera. The story needed balance. At ICCF14 CBS were just filming “background.”

        “Our task of finding an “honest physicist” was harder than imagined and several abortive attempts were made before we found Rob Duncan (who would rise to be a star in our field and to Chair ICCF18). Several “big name” individuals were willing to make an on-camera report based on what they already felt they “knew.” They were not, however, willing to review any literature or travel to see an experiment. Professor Duncan was a godsend; an experienced and highly capable experimentalist, former Gordon and Betty Moore Distinguished Scholar in the Division of Physics, Mathematics and Astronomy at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech), and a fellow (and life member) of the American Physical Society. More specifically Rob had two qualities that were desperately needed: personal hands-on experience with calorimetry; and an open mind, capable of change, and a willingness (Rob would call it a scientific obligation) to speak out publicly if and when his mind was changed.”

    • Omega Z

      Duncan, Yes, A Rossi/Duncan connection we all hoped to see happen quite some time ago. OK, Darden/Duncan would be the next best thing.

      I find it interesting that Tom Darden is representing as-
      CEO, Cherokee Investment Funds
      rather then Industrial Heat LLC.

      Perhaps Tom Darden is just there to interview & collect CV’s for Cherokees future World Class LENR Research Center. E-cat Version 2.0

      • artefact

        Every LENR expert they can get will be one less enemy.

        • Omega Z

          “WE” could ultimately be disappointed in what he presents.
          Personally, I’m just happy about his presence. Likely the interesting things will be behind closed doors.

          It’s all good. It means things are moving forward even if we aren’t privy to it.

        • Omega Z

          Tom Darden presenting at ICCF-19 provides “US” with a lot of enthusiasm.

          But, Imagine the others that are presenting or attending the ICCF conference. Most if not all are probably aware of the IH/Rossi Pilot plant. If only we could be privy to the conversations that will take place NOT at the podium.

          Being a fly on the wall could be very interesting. Of course, I can’t be more then 99.999% confident that Rossi/IH haven’t developed an E-cat bug zapper. In which case interesting may be an understatement. 🙂

          • Josh G

            I actually think many of them are aware and keenly interested. For example, in McKubre’s recent recounting of ICCF meetings, he even mentions Parkhomov, not once but twice. Once in the ICCF-14 discussion: “With the current fashionability of Ni/normal hydrogen gas systems it may be time to seriously begin “Teller’s task” to see if we can determine what (if anything) actually undergoes nuclear reaction in the experiments of Piantelli—Rossi—Parkhomov et al.” He also mentions Parkhomov in his recounting of ICCF-10. Unfortunately the histories have not been updated past ICCF-15 in 2009, so we don’t get to hear an recollections of how ICCF participants reacted to Rossi’s claims after his big reveal in 2011.


          • Bernie777

            If Darden is serious about his statements about coal, and Rossi’s reactor at the customers site is as positive as it appears, why wouldn’t he announce that success?

          • The secrecy has taken on a life of its own at this point. The trailers are letting Industrial Heat take on the difficult job of cracking the wall of disbelief while they try to catch up. Industrial Heat is busy with long term testing and preparing for mass manufacturing and sees no advantage in premature announcements. So we wait.

            Maybe the worm turns next week.

          • bachcole

            I will naturally and effortlessly trust his decision to announce or to not announce.

          • Sanjeev

            Unless you know him personally, I do not understand your logic. Do you mean he will take the trouble to go to ICCF, spend money and time, just to say its delayed? He can do that without getting up from his chair.
            If not something extraordinary, he may have some simple intention of attending ICCF, like meeting with people, hiring, or grabbing new investors etc. He is a CEO, and CEO’s generally do not announce failures or delays with fanfare.

          • Agaricus

            I think Alex may be trying to make a ‘point’ that has little place here, as Bachcole suggests.

      • Josh G

        IIRC, Darden is an investor in IH and obviously the founder, but JT Vaughn is heading it. In other words, I don’t think that Darden has an actual, official role “on paper” in IH.

        • Omega Z

          Mr. Thomas Francis Darden
          Manager, President, and Director

          Mr. J.T. Vaughn
          Vice President

          Note there are like 14 other investor entities in Industrial Heat, LLC
          These entities can be people or corporations Etc…

          Industrial Heat, LLC was created for the sole purpose of acquiring Rossi’s technology.

          LLC-Limited liability company
          An LLC is not a corporation; it is a legal form of a company that provides limited liability to its owners in many jurisdictions.
          “Limited liability” route was probably taken in case Rossi’s technology didn’t fly to limit repercussions.

          • Josh G

            I stand corrected!

          • Omega Z

            After 4 years of info dribbling out, it is hard to keep it all straight.
            Thanks to all those here at ECW, Someone can usually recall details. We are self correcting.

        • Would be nice if Darden and Gates would get in contact.

          • Bob Greenyer

            As an investment – it would be an exit strategy, and there could be worse partners that gates from a ethical point of view. Normal venture capitalists look for 100X return on money – I expect they will be looking for considerably more and a retention of some shares.

      • deleo77

        I hope and am counting on some of the attendees to ask Darden a lot of good questions about Rossi on the coffee breaks. Just to get Darden’s current state of mind about the e-cat, Rossi and IH is something to look forward to. My initial impression is that Darden still firmly believes in LENR if he is willing to fly to another continent to go to an LENR conference.

    • Ged

      And the Mayor of the city is giving the opening remarks? Whoa. You don’t see that very often.

  • georgehants

    He is certainly not going to achieve much if he does not explain his company’s plans to pass on the knowledge of Cold Fusion to the World and not keep it just to make profit from those who need it most.
    Mr. Rossi has worked so hard for many years, against an incompetent establishment and scientific individuals to prove his Rossi Effect, it would be a terrible shame for him to now waste all that effort and knowledge on something so wasteful and selfish as excessive personal profit.
    They have the opportunity to display how things have to change if the terrible suffering and unfairness is not replaced with a sharing humanity above profit.

    • Nigel Appleton

      Tell you what, George.

      Why don’t you a) invent something useful; b) demonstrate it working by dint of years of hard work in the teeth of hostility and mockery; then c) let everybody else tell you what to do with it.

      As far as I’m concerned Rossi and IH have every right to do anything legal as they see fit with the e-cat

    • Hi George. It seem Rossi and IH have been slowly revealing CF info. If it wasn’t for the Lugano report, Parkhomov wouldn’t have made such a stride. And Darden is about to make, I think his first public presentation about the Ecat.

      • georgehants

        Barry, yes, they could be reading this Website and realise as stated that they will lose the claim for first if somebody else jumps in.
        Hopefully they are also reading the few of us that hope for freedom of Cold Fusion for the World and not again just the outdated rich.

    • Warthog

      I see you have forgotten Frank’s request to drop this kind of comment in this forum. Guess I was right about your assuming it only applied to that other thread.

  • Mats002

    I would love to hear him open the plant for visitors. I remember that Frank already have an invitation to see the plant, question is when?

    • wpj

      No chance. Brick kilns need about 1000C. Also, they use industrial waste solvent for the heating (at least that’s where mine goes); with chlorinated solvents the temperature has to be at least 1000C to decompose them.

      • TPaign

        Not so fast. I wouldn’t say “no chance”. They don’t solely use industrial waste solvent as the fuel, and in the last 30 years the burning of “still bottoms” has been largely moved to offshore cement manufacturers without the EPA to worry about. Merely speculating, one could use the e-cat energy to preheat the clay materials prior to firing. A BTU is a BTU, and if even a fraction of total BTU needed is cheaper and cleaner, there is net savings.

        • Sanjeev

          From the pictures, one can see that its producing steam. I’m no brick expert but I can’t see why it would need steam at 100C only.

          • Omega Z

            For bricks you need heat. Steam is bad for bricks & if they should absorb any of that steam they will have exploding results.

        • wpj

          By “no chance” I was meaning that the pictures that we have seen indicate that it is generating steam which would put a limit of 150-200C on the temperature obtained.

          My own feeling would be in food industries such as canning or bread making (all seem to use 180C steam nowadays so that they don’t burn the bread- but it really doesn’t taste the same)

          I think that it would be difficult to measure fuel savings if it was for brick kiln pre-heating. As for solvent use in brick making, i am talking from a UK perspective where this still happens- probably a result of our electricity/gas prices being three times that of the US.

      • Warthog

        Preheating the incoming air used for combustion will reduce fuel usage by exactly the number of kilowatts provided by the e-cat. Given the HUGE amounts of power brick kilns need, very likely worth doing.

  • Josh G

    Well this is going to be very interesting. From Rossi we’ve heard that they’re not going to make an announcement about the plant’s productivity until the end of this year (at the earliest). On the other hand we have a blog with pictures of the plant, so there has already been a partial reveal. I guess the big question is how much is Darden going to reveal that we don’t already know? Can’t wait to find out.

  • Daniel Maris

    I am not expecting too much detail, but I am hoping for an outline from Darden of where they are and where they are going.

  • After the Gary Wright fiasco, when he got nuclear officials to pay a visit to IH, Darden was very quiet about the Ecat and Rossi. And Rossi has always avoided ICCF. With Rossi allowing the Lugano report to be revealed, then Parkhomov (who will be there) and now this, it’s been a slow reveal, but all this could be the tipping point to the world at large.

    • Omega Z

      It was J.T. Vaughn that was vague about the E-cat and Rossi, but yeah…

      • Oh, right. I wonder if this is the beginning of IH’s marketing campaign.

  • Zack Iszard

    According to Texas Tech, Dr. Robert V. Duncan is the senior vice president for research and a physics professor, not the dean of the university or even a department. Rather crucial typo here.

    • Omega Z

      Dr. Robert Duncan is the senior vice president for research.

      A dean is the person with significant authority over a specific academic unit, or over a specific area of concern, or both.
      I think the term applies

  • LuFong

    It’s confirmation that the 1MW plant is doing well.

  • Josh G

    Not streamed, but all of ICCF-18 is on Ruby Karat’s Cold Fusion Now youtube channel. A search shows that some presentations from other ICCF meetings are on you tube. Here is a link to one day’s playlist from ICCF-18. I wonder if anyone is planning on taping ICCF-19 as well.

    • the organizers have planed to record the conferences.
      I will be ther but I have no video recorder… even photography are not fantastic with my compact camera.

      • Josh G

        Try to think of some questions for Tom Darden so you can corner him at the coffee break. (-;

      • Josh G

        Maybe you could also get some inside details on Bill Gates’s involvement with ENEA from Vittorio Violante…

    • Veblin

      ICCF-17 was also recorded.

  • The only negative scenario I can imagine regarding Darden’s attendance and talk is that he feels Rossi turned out to be fools gold and now he is prospecting for real gold, still convinced of the potential LENR.

    I think that’s really unlikely and the only other scenarios I can see are ridiculously positive including an explicit or implicit communication that the prototype plant is performing as expected. I hope he’s open and honest about the activities of Industrial Heat. This could be a pretty big deal.

    • Albert D. Kallal

      If the results were negative, I VERY much doubt Darden would be attending such a meeting (so I agree – this is very positive news).

      I can only think of good positive news here – and perhaps some announcement of their plans to introduce the product to the world.

      In fact it might be a product announcement!

      As you said:

      This could be pretty big deal!

      Albert D. Kallal
      Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • US_Citizen71

    I believe that this is part of a ramp up of PR by IH. The beginning was Rossi’s change in language over on JONP. Over the last month he has dropped the ‘it could be positive or negative’ caveat from his posts. He has even been dropping helpful hints like the temperature needs to be hotter than what the replication community has been using for their top end and adulation for Parkhomov’s work. Combined with his released partial theory and confirmation of Helium detection in IH runs it is apparent the veil of secrecy IH has had over the E-Cat is beginning to lift. Rossi’s baggage will make it difficult for him to be the frontman for IH in the media, so another well trusted member of the team that isn’t afraid to talk in front of the camera is going to need to step up. Darden is a good choice, as he has some fame and credentials from his funds work in industrial site remediation.

    Darden’s talk will not be so detailed as to let the cat out of the bag so to speak. It will be more a teaser like the short clips production companies release of their up coming movies to be released six months to a year later. A slight increase of overall detail concerning the 1MW plant and an outline of what moved him to join with Rossi will round out his speech. But expect most of it will be of the hopes and dreams of what he and IH would like to do with the E-Cat in the future. If we are lucky we may get a more definitive date for the release of the 1MW test data. Overall I expect it will be used as a segway to get the media focused on him instead of Rossi going forward.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    This is certainly wonderful news. While I suspect much will be about reducing COAL etc., if some performance numbers of their existing plant can or will be released, this could certainly be a landmark presentation.

    The announcement of a commercial product ready for market would also be a very Steve JOBS like presentation – especially if they roll out onto stage a 3 or 4 module reactor with COP numbers the size of a typical camping cooler.

    And as for doing tours? Really, just post a video on YouTube along with some spokes person explaining the COP they are achieving.

    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Matt Sevrens

    The first thing I imagined when I read this was Tom finishing his speech, dropping the mic and walking off stage

    • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

      Mr Darden likely has 30 minutes max to drop the mic (7 people in 3hrs 30min), unless the lunch break is called off….

  • Hope somebody take a video. This could be the biggest story since the 60 minutes piece.

  • I hope you’ll excuse me, but I think this might be the right moment to quote my book, about when I first heard Rossi speak of Tom Darden and IH/Cherokee (although the names were not yet known):
    – – – – –
    If Rossi had by now been at odds with five companies or groups with whom he had discussed industrial and financial cooperation—Enel, Defkalion, TEM Capital, National Instruments and the Swedish investor group—the sixth time seemed different. The key: someone seemed willing to believe him.

    “Perhaps the most important thing has been the absolute confidence that they have had in our work and this has become mutual. From the very beginning, they have approached this with extreme sincerity, maybe because the person who informed them was well prepared and made a very good presentation. With the activities they engage in, it was important for them,” Rossi told me.

    “Sure, the negotiations have gone up and down, because naturally we have had discussions. But we’ve gone through a lot of things together, with absolutely unexceptionable behavior on both sides, and you know, eventually a certain mutual trust also arises.

    “And then of course it also involved a very large investment agreement. No small thing, not even for them, yet they signed in the end. But you should realize that it took a whole year—we signed on October 25 (2012).

    The company was, according to Rossi, a large American corporation with global operations—he could not reveal its identity—and the person who put him in touch with the company was the American professor who had turned up uninvited to the Bologna test on October 6, 2011 and whom Rossi had let in. Rossi then introduced the professor to his U.S. licensees, Ampenergo, that handled the initial commercial negotiations. For a few months Rossi didn’t know much about progress. But when the negotiations had reached a certain point and it was time to deepen the discussions, Rossi was included.

    “I would say that the turnaround came in February 2012 when we met for the first time at our office in Miami,” Rossi recalled. A key character, said Rossi, was the CEO of the company, who also was the person the professor had first approached.

    “Fortunately, the CEO was after some time the most convinced of everyone.”

    The agreement they signed in October 2012 contained a number of conditions and milestones.

    – – – – – – – –
    (An Impossible Invention, Chapter 19).

    • ecatworld

      Thanks, Mats. Very interesting excerpt!

    • Where is WikiLeaks when you need it? I want to see that contract.

  • Heath

    You got me, Frank. This bit of news really caught me off guard! I’m very very pleased to see Mr Darden stepping out of the shadows for this, especially knowing the focus of the conference. Exciting!

  • Stanny Demesmaker

    This means only one thing: the E-cat is ready for commercialisation.

  • Josh G

    No, it hasn’t. It would be awfully surprising if it he did. But I wouldn’t be surprised if a representative or confidant of his did show up. Maybe Lowell Wood? He accompanied Gates on his visit to ENEA…

  • Bob Greenyer

    My hope for ICCF is that Tom Darden says this

    “Thank you to all those here, not here and departed that have toiled so hard against the odds, in a world full of ridicule and derision for your field. Thank you to all the unsung heroes that found the will to persevere and establish the breadth and nature of this phenomenon for which many have given their lives to. It has been humbling to hear of an increasing roll-call of luminaries joining the list of the deceased, those who never saw what they knew to be real, become a practical tool to help humanity and the planet that we call home – not least, Martin Fleischmann himself.

    It is a travesty that those that are uniquely positioned to investigate and improve this technology are passing to the beyond, taking their wealth of experience as they go.

    This humiliation, injustice and waste must end now, we cannot sit by and watch people displaced through rising seas, see destruction of the biosphere, needless wars, suffer water and food shortages, knowing that we have a gift from the universe in our hands that you all helped create. We must understand what we have – and it is our duty to see that done as fast as possible.

    We at Cherokee Investment Fund via our entity Industrial Heat, wish to provide all willing qualified participants, reactors free of charge and operating instructions, with the aim of fully characterising their behaviour and improving their operation and control. We must fully understand this phenomenon so that it can be rolled out rapidly and free humanity from dependence on dwindling fossil fuels.

    We know that you are the people that are best placed to do this and we want to respect that.

    We hope you will join with us in lighting the New Fire.


    My fear is that there will be a lot of 25th hour workers, venture capitalist types that have not done a jot of real work over the years, promising the earth with complicated share options and company structure ideas coming with the intention of fracturing this community and of extracting value rather than adding value. We may be entering the wild west shoot-out time.

    Of course it would be great if all of these researchers get secure research jobs, but personally knowing how these tiered financing operations work, if they can’t get you to spill everything you know on a promise of life changing $ (which don’t actually materialise) from a show-man wealthy person/entity, they’ll give you lots of shares that will not be worth anything for years and be regularly diluted with no voting rights – because you didn’t understand the share type or capital structure – until you have almost nothing and can barely survive on the stipend that keeps you sucking at the teat to survive.

    If I were a knowledge holder being approached I would want to ensure

    – there was always unallocated post money shares at each funding round that would be allocated to the knowledge holder at IPO or major private sale to ensure their share is commensurate with the value they have created
    – the shares issued ALWAYS retained voting rights

  • Josh G

    Robert Godes of BET will also be there presenting a poster: “Brillouin Energy Test Results of CECR Hypothesis.” Should be a very exciting meeting.

    • Turning out to be quite a meeting. I’m not going to get much work done Monday I can see.

      • Omega Z

        No one gets much done on Mondays.
        That’s weekend recovery day. That’s when lemons get manufactured.
        Fridays are weekend anticipation day. That’s when 2nd’s get manufactured.
        Most of Wednesday is spent browsing the Internet. Zero production
        It’s Official. We have 2 day work weeks.

  • ecatworld

    Frank Acland

    April 11th, 2015 at 12:06 PM

    Dear Andrea,

    I was pleased to learn that Tom Darden will be speaking at the ICCF conference in Padova next week. Is he well briefed on the performance level of the E-Cat plant? — I am sure he will be getting plenty of questions.

    Andrea Rossi

    April 11th, 2015 at 2:02 PM

    Frank Acland:
    of course he is briefes.
    Warm Regards

    • Ged

      So can’t wait for Monday. I hope we can get some connections to reporters there and get info flowing into E-Cat World as it comes.

      • Freethinker

        I agree. I must say that my expectation on the ICCF19 is increasing by the day. I find it very promissing that Tom Darden will be a speaker in the opening session of the conference. They, meaning IH and Cherokee, have kept a very low profile otherwise. To me it is evident that this represent something of significance and I expect there will be some kind of walk trough of the status, that will be very positive.

    • Agaricus

      A little terse, methinks. Darden is unlikely to be able to answer questions of a highly technical nature – but perhaps that’s why it is him who is attending, rather than for instance, one of Rossi’s scientifically trained assistants. If any awkward or unduly probing questions are asked, he can say he doesn’t know the answer to that as he is just a project manager.

  • I agree with this but I have to check my expectations because it’s so easy to imagine more professionalism and progress than is actually taking place. I mean look at the Rossi/Cook paper. Might have elucidated a key piece of the puzzle but as far as quality it was a “C-“. Look at the Lugano test. Only went for 1 month, not 6, and they didn’t even cross-check their temperature measurements, causing all sorts of trouble. Maybe Darden is not what we think he is.

  • Unfortunately I will attend ICCF only Thursday and Friday. Wish I could go earlier.
    No, I don’t know the identity of the American Professor, but maybe that and other things will become clear further ahead. There’s still a lot to investigate and report from this story one day.

    • Gerrit

      Let us know when you spot Bill Gates 🙂

  • Bob Greenyer

    Perhaps you missed my context. I was suggesting a respectful approach for Tom towards the LENR community, followed by an “inspirational moment in time of epic proportions” that he uniquely can sieze.

    I did not specify the terms on which the reactors would be given other than the purpose of the gift – I did not specify who would most ultimately benefit from the work – other than everybody on the planet, from the point of view of having the energy source nailed as fast as possible for roll out.

    There is no taking away from the fact that Rossi has worked hard and rightly deserves credit for the unique contribution of the new reaction matrix evident in the Lugano report – I only hope that IH has submitted a patent on it (Molten Li – Al – H with Nickel particles in solution vapour Li etc) should the device be proven to work as indicated.

    In another post below, I said that it would be a good fit for Bill Gates to give Cherokee a 100+:1 return on their capital and faith invested in Rossi after due diligence.

  • Curbina

    This is definitively something to be on the look for. Thanks for getting us to know this.

  • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

    IMHO live feed today should be the norm for such conferences…
    Or which would be the reasons not to live stream, press rights?

  • I hope too.

    But I suspect that it will be the usual business chatter about how to enter the market, PR and other nontechnical and unspecific things.

    But I still hope to be positively surprised 🙂

  • Barbierir

    This is a thing that most of us were waiting for. As a minimum I hope he says that IH is fully behind Rossi and also confirms what Rossi has been writing in his blog. That would be enough for me 🙂

  • 100% SSM isn’t possible at all. You still need energy for the control electronics and heating elements.

    • Robert Ellefson

      The energy for control and stimulus could come from the reactor itself easily enough with a high COP. However, 100% SSM would imply no inherent decay in the reaction output level, which could make for a difficult control system, and no fail-safe shutdown mode except total meltdown. If a reaction attenuation control mode exists, then 100% SSM may be possible, but still perhaps not desireable. I suspect the best solution will be reached with a small inherent decay, coupled with low-energy stimulus (eg EMF only, no heat), and good thermal management that provides fail-safe shutdown. A reaction damping mechanism other than heat reduction would be very useful, and greatly simplify the control system overall, I suspect.

      • Sanjeev

        Or many E-Cats can be operated in load sharing mode at 100% ssm. If one or two of them starts to cool, the other E-Cats can feed some extra current to bring it online. You can also use batteries to store extra energy, which can be used to restart any cold E-Cats in the group. Batteries will make a complicated real time control system unnecessary, they will act as a buffer of energy.

        • Mats Hilmersson

          I think the primary reason for Darden to show up is to ease the path for getting their pending parents granted. What IH needs is more academic acceptance. ICCF may be the best option available.

  • I expect this to be an historical version of ICCF, in the meaning that it will be the last year before commercially viable LENR will be publicly known. I no longer have any doubts that the ongoing 1 MW trial by IH and Rossi is going well and that they will be ready to announce and demonstrate this, as Rossi says, at the end of this year or the beginning of next year. At that point there will be no more discussions.

    This means that any other effort to prove viable LENR for energy production now has a time window of less than a year.
    After that point, if not earlier, focus will be to explain the process theoretically, based on significant amounts of real data (i don’t think we’re there yet). Only with a solid theoretical model, further engineering can be made in an efficient way. Next step will also be development of new applications. I would expect some competitions being launched next year, with specific goals set, to encourage such application development.

    • Private Citizen

      Maximum respect to you Mats, and so guardedly disagreeing, why will the world believe Rossi has a working 1MW plant in the fall when the mere presence of himself at Lugano set off howls of fraud?

      When the skeptics doubt controlled scientific measurements made by a team of eminent scientists, how will an electric bill and the fact that Rossi was camped out at the plant 24/7 serve as proof?

      • Tom Darden is a business man. Everything matters is money.
        If this plant safes the money of it’s owner, this is proof enough to be economical.

        And if lots of people buy such a plant and report that it safes their money, even the last skeptic will become interested in it.

        • bachcole

          And remember if the current customer is happy with his savings, then he might just want to expand his business, now that he has some “extra” profit. And he can cut his prices to his customers, and attract new customers. And eventually, he (or she) will completely dominate his market. This is why I keep calling it an unstoppable juggernaut. It may not be as fast as we want it to be, but it is relentless.

          • timycelyn

            Agrree totally. This will happen on a scale of individual businesses, then industries, then countries. At times, it will become a mad scramble, and delaying even a few months may, in certain circumstances, prove disastrous for the businesses involved….

            No businessman can afford to play ostrich, but some countries may…..

        • we want LENR Fusione Fredda

          Respectfully, even though IH is about money, I heard a different message from Darden: in his speech he does not say he was inspired and moved by money. Listening to his words one would think that the end is not economical, but rather a pledge to this planet.
          “When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, the last
          river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money”.
          Obviously, we all wish him (and the LENR sector) the largest economic success possible!

      • Sanjeev

        You are talking about the skeptics who are of the pathoskeptic variety, by definition, they do not want to be convinced, period. Why worry and waste time on such useless people ? Even if by luck, you convince a few of them, are they going to add any value ?

        Our target should be smart people who can think for themselves, who have means to take it forward, who can experiment, theorize, build things and do mass production. Such people, if convinced will add huge value. If a working 1 MW plant can convince even one such person against 100 pathos, it would serve its purpose.

        • timycelyn

          Agree totally about the pathoskeps. Who cares – once money is to be made, then ‘Money talks, and pathoskep BS walks….”.

          These poor souls – whatever the precise reason for their increasingly obsessive dysfunctionality – are set to become this century’s flat earthers. Wiith about as much relevance and credibility. We may see one or two with placards protesting outside Home Depot and B&Q, when we go in to get our new ECAT furnaces in a few years time, but most will quietly melt away into the darker corners of the internet.

          Of course, those puffed up academics like Pomp, who have publicly identified themselves with an academic pathoskep position, will have a somewaht harder row to hoe over the next couple of years. Should be quite fun to watch…..

          • bachcole

            Yes, even MaryYugo can slink away and change his/her handle. But Pomp is in serious yogurt.

      • bachcole

        I am not Mats Lewan, and I don’t even pretend to play him on television, but I think that you may have a partial truth. An electric bill and a genuine capitalist who anyone can look up on the Internet is going to carry more weight than just “Rossi say” and a handful of professors who have tested the E-Cat twice. But it may not be complete destruction of the dam of LENR incredulity that we are all hoping for. But it will get more people’s attention.

        And, of course, there will be more businesses who want to save money, and there will be more replications.

      • Omega Z

        If at the end of the test of the Pilot plant, all is positive, It wont matter what the skeptics think. I will be Darden/Industrial heat/Cherokee talking to business people.

        Obviously, these business people will look at the evidence & involve their own experts with due diligence & if the like & believe what they see, business will take over. The skeptics will be left flapping their lips in the dark void of nothingness.

    • pg

      Hi Mats, do you have more inside info beside what we are all witnessing?

    • LuFong

      “Only with a solid theoretical model, further engineering can be made in an efficient way”

      Which is why I think Rossi is disclosing elements (fuel/ash analysis, theory, operation) of his E-Cat. IH/Rossi would stand to benefit the most at this time with a theoretical model however derived. It appears to me that Rossi is looking for a better/more refined theoretical model.

      • Yes, this is the first step to be taken seriously.

        Maybe the management of IH is making pressure to Rossi to disclose as much information as is needed to scientifically prove that the effect exists.

        • US_Citizen71

          More likely a calculated preplanned approach. You don’t end up controlling a fund worth billions by doing things off the cuff on a regular basis.

          • bachcole

            Darden has already proven to us that he is not an “off the cuff” sort of guy. While we the peanut gallery have been writhing in joy and uncertainty and acting like lunatics about LENR, he has been as quiet as an intelligence agent.

      • clovis ray

        HI,Lu,, i believe, that he also believes, that when the truth is arrived at,we will then see that this heat enomaly is only the tip of the iceberg, and all of us that have did our homework, could be on the cusp of pyrimidine change, as mister Darden has said. with all kind of different things being discovered.

    • greg

      “it will be the last year before commercially viable LENR”
      LENR/CF enthusiasts have been saying this for the last 10 years. Wait and see.

      • Warthog

        ‘S Funny, but I’ve been an “LENR/CF enthusiast” since 1989, and have NEVER heard any LENR researcher make any such statement.

        Now, the “Hot Fusion” guys have been saying “success is just around the corner”, and for a LOT longer than 10 years.

    • rats123

      What makes you so confident Mats? Do you have any concrete evidence?

    • ecatworld

      “I no longer have any doubts that the ongoing 1 MW trial by IH and Rossi is going well”

      Thanks Mats — I agree.

  • Private Citizen

    MPB: ” Lenr is being accepted by mss all over the world”

    The MSS is still 99.99999% in the mode of tarring CF, reverberating still from the campaign against Pons and Fleischmann. There is a trickle of guarded positive news here and there, but as in the case of Forbes, the reporter sometimes ends up fired for the heresy.

  • h_corey

    Fibb, you have too many seats. :- )

  • Ged

    That would be ideal!

  • Agaricus

    I would like it to be a brewery – not sure why. Some more possibles: Food, drink or confectionery production, milk pasteurisation, oil refining or shale oil extraction, chemicals manufacture, laundries, biofuel production, bulk sterilisation, paper making, plastics and rubber production, HP boiler feedwater heating, injection moulding, reconstituted timber manufacture (plywood/MDF), bulk electroplating, pharmaceutical manufacturing, hothouses, space heating, desalination plant.

    • Omega Z

      You had my attention at brewery.
      Then you lost me. 🙂

  • Can’t remember. This shows how fast such guys are forgotten.

  • InterestedCitizen

    Does someone know if there will be live video streams of ICCF-19 meetings ???

  • Omega Z

    It was recent, like a few weeks ago I saw MY ranting scam Etc…