Domestic Heater E-Cat Photo

Thanks to Lufong for pointing out this picture in the recent USPTO trademark application that was submitted by Andrea Rossi.

On Page 19 there is this statement:

‘March 2, 2015

‘To Whom it May Concern:

‘The attached photo has been made in our laboratory in Miami, Florida, and is related to the domestic heater “E-Cat The New Fire” manufactured by Leonardo Corporation for the climatization of our shop

M.Eng Fulvio Fabiani
C.E.O. of USQL LLC

Followed by this image:

domesticecat

This could be an interesting photo for replicators to study. I see some similarities to designs shown by some replicators — I am thinking this is a low-temperature E-Cat if it is used for domestic heating. We see a quartz or glass tube and inside I think we can make out a heating element. On each end of the tube are taps that could allow gas inside the reactor. I’m sure there are other clues in there that the replication community could spend a lot of time discussing.

Anyway, it’s an interesting picture — we haven’t seen such a closeup of an E-Cat of this kind before.

  • RD Canuck

    I am pretty sure that the photo is rotated 90 degrees. Try rotating clockwise and you will see that the glass tube is simply a water level indicator. This is a photo of the outside of the E-Cat. Perhaps somone can glean info from the various sized relays and cabling but that would be about it unfortunately.

    • pelgrim108

      I was wondering why there were no heater coils. 👀

    • Curbina

      Iwas thinking the same, that it was a water level gauge.

    • Sanjeev

      Yes, its a water level indicator, level is at the middle. There is no coil, its only the reflection of the black pattern in the background. My guess is, its for supplying hot water to something.
      USQL LLC seems to be a “paper company”.

  • LuFong

    I agree that the picture should be rotated right 90 degrees (so the logo is vertical) and that the transparent tube is a water level gauge. What looks like a coil in the tube is probably just a reflection. There also appears to be two red (water) shutoff valves, top and bottom. The metal box with the trademark looks to me to be the outside of the E-Cat and fits the description Rossi gave a while ago about it’s size and shape. You can see what looks like two resistance wires going in and some insulation around some port. On the right it looks like some control circuitry.

    I would expect there to be a pressure relief valve somewhere, which may be the brass gizmo at the top (although I don’t see the lever). I would also expect to seem a lead for a thermocouple somewhere but don’t see one.

    As I mentioned in a previous post, perhaps when IH acquired the rights they acquired the rights for commercial applications with Rossi/Leonardo retain rights for domestic use (like heaters).

    • So, this is a small device. If rotated, the height is what? A wild guess = 14″ tall by 12″ wide by 6″ deep? Anyone have real information? It looks like an early crude experimental prototype. Didn’t Rossi once say it was the size of a small home computer?

    • Steve H

      I concur. The meniscus of the water level can be observed about half way up the level glass. This is fairly typical of a steam boiler level glass.

  • So, this is a small device. If rotated, the height is what? A wild guess = 14″ tall by 12″ wide by 6″ deep? Anyone have real information? It looks like an early crude experimental prototype. Didn’t Rossi once say it was the size of a small home computer?

  • GreenWin

    I rather think someone of good conscience should’ve contacted Donald Bassario about using this distinguished sci-fi title for… well, Sci-Fi. Beyond that, has anyone considered the value of Scott Bakula and Dean Stockwell’s residuals for this falderall?? What’s next to distract us from our failures as a holographic school? Rafael Reif (MIT’s Prexy) demanding more money for hot fusion failures? Or an imminent asteroid strike? This sim is managed by children aspiring to the sophomoric. How ’bout we get “rigorously honest” — like we preach??

    • georgehants

      Morning GreenWin, you are in good form today and I love the word “falderall” not recognised by my American spell checker, Ha.
      Wonderful day if we close our eyes.
      http://en.yibada.com/articles/29716/20150428/are-we-all-living-in-a-hologram-universe-scientists-think-so.htm

      • Morning George. Most people already wear blinkers. A pair of rose-tinted specs is always a useful addition.

        • georgehants

          Afternoon Peter, good to see you still plodding away for some sense.
          Even a beautiful sea view in Penzance and a glass of red does not take away the pain of these things.
          Best

      • dickyaesta

        Maybe this will center you, George, Falderall and fiddledee dee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aRycXf3Duw
        Would ‘much falderall about nothing’ instead of ‘much to do about nothing’, do also? Looking at this, it seems to match.
        Saludos from Spain, Hope you will be happy with your elections overthere.
        Didymus

        • georgehants

          dickyaesta, Ha many thanks, who ever gets into power it will still just be people in “power” for their own gratification, I think.

          • dickyaesta

            ‘Much falderall about nothing’ therefore?!

  • Gerard McEk

    You cannot see much, but it is clear that it is 90 degrees turned and that the front tube is a water level gauge. The view on the inside of the control box is too limited to give a proper opinion. I guess the two wires which run from the box to the E-Cat are thermocouples.

    • Agaricus

      All agreed. This looks like a somewhat crude prototype. The water level guage indicates a steam boiler rather than a water heater like conventional domestic ‘boilers’. This is presumably because the e-cat operates at or slightly above the BP of water, like the pilot plant, and may contain one cell of the type developed for the latter, plus a clone of the control system for one unit. The steam is probably recirculated through a heat exchanger/condenser which produces the hot water.

      • Obvious

        This is a water boiler for tea and coffee, for a cafe, of course.

        • Agaricus

          According to the skeps, making a cup of tea using a cold fusion reactor is the gold standard of LENR research. If AR had achieved this holy grail, I’m sure he would be trumpeting it from the rooftops.

          • Obvious

            Maybe he is waiting for the 350/400 day milestone party? I doubt AR would think much of making tea for a LENR gold standard, unless it was for a major customer that sell millions of hot drinks, and it saved then money… Maybe that’s the soggy future of food… The “steamrowave”, supplying instant supercritical steam-cooked food in seconds flat. Then one won’t need to order a day ahead to get a Jiggs Dinner.

  • Gerard McEk

    You cannot see much, but it is clear that it is 90 degrees turned and that the front tube is a water level gauge. The view on the inside of the control box is too limited to give a proper opinion. I guess the two wires which run from the box to the E-Cat are thermocouples.

    • The water level gauge indicates a steam boiler rather than a water heater like conventional domestic ‘boilers’. This is presumably because the e-cat operates at or slightly above the BP of water (like the pilot plant) and the reactor can’t be entirely immersed. The steam is probably recirculated through a sealed heat exchanger/condenser loop which produces the hot water output and returns condensate that is still relatively hot, to avoid over cooling the reactor. The lack of any guard around the water tube indicates only low pressures at most.

      The twin cables with the threaded bulkhead connector may be the main power feed rather than thermocouples. The reactor is probably connected between the feedwater and steam headers using threaded couplings, so that the complete core assembly can be easily replaced in situ.

      There is another similar looking pipe/cable at the rear, visible to the right of the upper wheel valve (correct orientation) which may be a part of a thermostat/thermocouple connection from the steam header pipe. What looks like a plumbing-type 15mm pressure relief valve is also visible to the left of the upper wheel valve on the steam header. This will be approx. 2.5″ (60-65mm) high for scaling purposes, i.e., the blue cover is probably about 11 x 10 in., and the logo around 4 in. square.

      This unit may have been thrown together using one cell of the type developed for the final version of the pilot plant, complete with a single local control box containing Rossi’s latest PLC algorithms. The crude-looking blue painted plywood cover plate fixed in place with a strip of black duct tape has almost certainly been added just to hide the reactor core, and is not a functional part of the assembly.

      What purpose this fairly unrevealing image serves is less than clear, other than to confirm that a device of unkown performance has actually been built at some time – but it’s quite nice to see it anyway.

      • Obvious

        This is a water boiler for tea and coffee, for a cafe, of course.

        • According to the skeps, making a cup of tea using a cold fusion reactor is the gold standard of LENR research. If AR had achieved this holy grail, I’m sure he would be trumpeting it from the rooftops.

          • Obvious

            Maybe he is waiting for the 350/400 day milestone party? I doubt AR would think much of making tea for a LENR gold standard, unless it was for a major customer that sells millions of hot drinks, and it saved them money… Maybe that’s the soggy future of food… The “steamrowave”, supplying instant supercritical steam-cooked food in seconds flat. Then one won’t need to order a day ahead to get a Jiggs Dinner.

  • Damoaj

    As a controls technician, I can add that the gauge of the two wires leaving the unit suggests higher current, so I’m thinking its the electric heating element.
    After studying the image for a few minutes I believe one of them curves around to the left of the contactor (with the White auxiliary terminals on top) to a connector terminal mounted on the din rail, while the other goes very dark in the photo and bends to a set of main contacts on the black part of the contactor, passing over and partly obscuring the wires below.

    As contactors are for switching high currents, that would make sense. It’s impossible to tell from the photo, if it’s being used alone or as a way of shutting down power in an emergency and wired in series with a SCR or SSR.

    In the middle are two plug in 4-pole relays which could be used for anything low current.

    And on the right seems to be the PLC with 4 extra-low current pilot relays. The brand is sadly unrecognisable to me.

  • Damoaj

    As a controls technician, I can add that the gauge of the two wires leaving the unit suggests higher current, so I’m thinking its the electric heating element.
    After studying the image for a few minutes I believe one of them curves around to the left of the contactor (with the White auxiliary terminals on top) to a connector terminal mounted on the din rail, while the other goes very dark in the photo and bends to a set of main contacts on the black part of the contactor, passing over and partly obscuring the wires below.

    As contactors are for switching high currents, that would make sense. It’s impossible to tell from the photo, if it’s being used alone or as a way of shutting down power in an emergency and wired in series with a SCR or SSR.

    In the middle are two plug in 4-pole relays which could be used for anything low current.

    And on the right seems to be the PLC with 4 extra-low current pilot relays. The brand is sadly unrecognisable to me.

  • Bob

    “…. for the climatization of our shop”

    In Miami, I would not think there would be much need for heat! Perhaps they are running an absorption refrigerator to cool the place? 🙂

    This is the first “official” info regarding a home eCat that I have heard of in some time. Perhaps the home eCat is further along in it’s development than I had imagined. That would be good.

    The story continues…..

    • According to Intellicast, the temperature in downtown Miami is currently a comfortable 76.6°F/24.8°C. Perhaps it gets much colder at night…

      My guess would be that not much effort has been put into any independent development of a ‘domestic’ e-cat, and the gadget shown is simply one reactor of the type installed in the pilot plant, with an added homemade plywood cover and inkjet-printed logo. I don’t think they are likely to appear in hardware stores any time soon.

    • Joseph J

      And if the 1MW plant is in Miami than it might be part of district cooling as Miami-Dade County is doing.

      Amaresco who have an office in the same street as where Rossi lives are also involved and is perhaps the customer.

      http://www.ameresco.com/press/ameresco-expands-presence-south-florida-miami-dade-public-housing-and-community-development

    • Fisher

      The comment and photo could have been made in January when the low can get into the 50s and 60s?

  • Ivan Idso

    To me this is reminescent of the e-cat developed in Rossi’s Bologna factory, which were incorporated in the first 1MW plant demonstration, prior to the hot-cat. Back then the reactor did not look anything like a dogbone and used a heat sink in direct contact with the water.

    If I were Rossi and had over 100 of these low temp e-cats left over, I would put some to good use!

  • Engineer48

    Fairly clear what it is. Can even see the fluid level.

  • Engineer48

    Fairly clear what it is. Can even see the fluid level.