1 MW Hot Cat Plant to follow Current 1 MW Plant

If you are wondering what Andrea Rossi might be doing after the current test of the 1 MW plant is over, he has just revealed at least one new thing we can expect — a Hot Cat Plant. Today on the Journal of Nuclear Physics he explained:

The Hot Cat 1 MW plant is object now of designing. We still do not have a prototype.
After the end of the test on course in the factory of the IH Customer ( F9) we’ll start the construction of a Hot Tiger.

Later he said more about the name after he was reminded that the Ukrainian ‘Tet’ group had already used the ‘Tiger’ name:

Andrea Rossi
June 16th, 2015 at 9:11 AM
Ecco Liberation:
Thank you for the information.
As a matter of fact, “tiger” will not be the name. The name will be simply “E-Cat” followed by a number that will correspond to the power in kW. Example for the Hot Cat of 1 MW it will be: E-Cat -HT 1000, where HT stays for the series with high temperature. For the low temperature series, it will be “LT”.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

He also commented on the same thread that they were going to try to scale up the Hot Cat reactors to 250 kW each, as they are now apparently doing with the low temperature E-Cat reactors in the 1MW low temperature plant. (Which I think actually has a potential 2 MW capacity, because from what Rossi has said, and the pictures we have seen, it seems that 4 250 kW reactors have been added to the 100 10 kW ones. He won’t confirm or deny that, however.)

  • “He also commented on the same thread that they were going to try to scale up the Hot Cat reactors to 250 kW each” Yes! Now we are talking.

    • Now we need a scientific usable replication…

      • more and more people start to think that rossi manage a careful uncertainty to block opponents and competitors…

        I don’t think this is a good strategy, as being the leader while the success is clear would give him a big advantage and a big funding…
        Today he is the dry leader of a desert.

  • Agaricus

    We have seen it. But I agree that discussion of possible future e-cat plants is very speculative until testing of the E-Cat LT 1000 has been completed.

    • Omega Z

      With the understanding that the 1 year pilot plant test goes well beyond just overall COP, There are still issues that could arise.
      That Rossi & his team is contemplating an HT-1000 prototype would indicate to me that the LT-1000 is preforming well. To this point anyway.

      It’s obvious to me that if they were having major issues, they would not have time to perform additional R&D on the Hot-cat & consider building a 1Mw prototype plant. I also don’t think Tom Darden/Industrial heat would be up to funding such a prototype if results to date aren’t very encouraging.

      Note: We could be looking at a very soft roll out here.
      No Big Reveal. LT E-cats will be revised/upgraded & quietly sold in the market. This will require an increase in personnel. Word will leak out.

      – – – On World News Tonight – – –
      There is a new advanced technology that is very efficient. It still requires gas or electricity to operate, but is very efficient. It is 1 more new green technology for the future. Thanks to Government funded R&D. (add the alphabet/omit COP talk)
      END OF STORY.

      It will garner no more attention then something like Bloom Energy.
      No one will ask about or why the P&F fiasco took place. People in power will not have to explain themselves.
      Those of us that should speak up about the facts are just Conspiracy nuts.

      • Agree. Soft rollout is in both Rossi/Darden and BigBank&Oil interest. Rossi need time test and produce products without big media spotlights (as Darden also talked about). The rulers needs time to exit current huge stakes in oil&gas in a controlled manner. They consequently will continue to insert doubts in trad. media without totally deny as long as they can since that is most profitable and geopolitially safe. These are mostly valid reasons I believe. I wrote a piece about here: http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/blackswanascending3.pdf

        • GreenWin

          Thanks Sifferkoll for insight on banks and oilcos reaction to LENR. The exit for these players appears to be available for another 6-9 months. After the HT1000 prototype results go public, that exit will close.

          Utilities are also feeling the crunch. Wall Street is preparing for the inevitable death spiral of electric utilities – first from solar/storage then from LENR.

  • Agaricus

    Why not just assume for the moment that they do “have the best interests of humanity and science at heart”, and that verification has been carried out to the best of the abilities of those involved, even if the methods used were not perfect. This and the other quibbles you mention have been kicked around endlessly before by those watching this story.

    The truth will out, as they say, before too long. In the meantime it hardly matters what doubts you, I or other contributors here may have – we are just observers on the sidelines. Enjoy the ongoing mystery while it lasts!

  • Thomas Kaminski

    The quad copter problem is much simpler since there are very good aerodynamic models to predict the system behaviour. In the E-Cat case, the absence of a good model (maybe Rossi has one) is a detriment to modern control. As you mentioned, it took years to develop good models for nuclear fission reactors. Another problem is the inherent delay from the source of heat to the measurement of heat in the E-Cat. Delay is a bitch for control. In the case of quad copters, changing the motor controllers from 80 updates per second to 400 updates per second has a dramatic effect on system stability.

  • Omega Z

    “I don’t know of any other technology that has ever developed this way.”
    Apparently not much of an observer of life…

    Aside from that, Presently, IH/Rossi have no patent. That could change but ultimately, The Hardware can always be patented & portions there of covered by copyright. Note also that a patent only provides a small window of opportunity. Apples patent’s didn’t stop others from patenting & marketing Smart Phones of their own…

    All Rossi/IH need to do is get all their Ducks in a row before going to market. Properly done, this provides about a 2 year window of opportunity. Much like a Patent from the beginning would have provide.

    The Competition? This will involve those with big bucks. They will also require technology/hardware that can be patented/copyrighted. They will also need to run 1 year pilot plant tests. They will also need to go through all the safety certifications & regulations. This costs big bucks. It takes time.

    So, while a primary patent a couple years ago would have sped things up, Today it isn’t that important. It is well beyond that point. It is for the most part about a business plan & a window of opportunity. Rossi/IH have always expected competition.

    What we have here is a FUD Fail…

    • Warthog

      “Aside from that, Presently, IH/Rossi have no patent.

      I suspect that they have quite a few patent applications “in process”, especially for the “HT” technology. I am certain that there are MANY “pesky little details” that have to be gotten “just right” to get the demonstrated high energy output and high temperature. All such are “just what the doctor ordered” for building a patent fence around the tech.

      • Omega Z

        Yes, Rossi has said many patents have already been filed for reactor designs & such since joining with Industrial Heat. If you can’t patent the source, patent the most efficient hardware/software Etc….

        These patents shouldn’t be an issue as LENR itself is.

  • Roland

    1. Due diligence, i.e. reading the extant literature starting with the links at the top of the page, will assuage the doubts of any open minded inquirer.

    2. You assume Parkhomov, and, of course, Lugano is a special case, and yes, we are not fully informed.

    3. Rossi, whom most observers deem to be very bright, has been thinking about your concerns for decades and is as many miles ahead of you here as he is in many other regards.

    4. It is not a matter of whether what has been revealed is factual, our information is incomplete for good and compelling reasons, again Rossi is miles ahead of you. Blackrock was in the first hundred downloads of the Lugano Report, the Saudis changed strategy, the banks bailed on their carbon assets and the price of oil crashed; you’re wondering if anyone is paying attention? Hello…

    5. See above.

    6. See #1.

  • Omega Z

    Probably there will be upgrades to the LT E-cat design based on the data collected. I would guess at least 6 months before additional sales of the LT-1000 start & this will take place with little fanfare.

    In time when this makes the MSM, it will be done in the context of a new technology that is highly efficient. If COP comes up it will be like, You know. A Geothermal heat pump. It produces much more heat out then Electricity in.

    Only way this is a “Big Deal” is if Industrial Heat // Tom Darden wants it to be. At this point in time, It’s probably not in their best interest. Just putting product in customers facilities is all that is needed at this time. They can quietly build business relations & partnerships without a lot of fuss & fanfare.

    Most everyone following this technology crave for a huge news conference & all the buzz. That would be great for them. It is not necessarily great in a business sense.

    Demo’s, Show & tell tours, News Conferences all require large expenditures of man hours & money. Do you want that or would you prefer they spend all that time & money on the next major advance that actually gets a working product to market.

  • Gerard McEk

    I agree with you Jim, but see my reply to Robert Ellefson in this tread about my concerns about the Ecat efficiency which may depend on the process gas/flued temperature.

  • V.p.S.

    Just dropping by after another half year… As far as I remember there was a prototype 1MW e-cat already installed at customer’s place. Any news about that one? Are there currently any predictions as for the customer test report that would be publicly available?

    • ecatworld

      I don’t expect we’ll see it this year. I hope in the first part of 2016 — but we really don’t know what kind of publicity they will give this report.