Leonardo Corporation Holds E-Cat Cards

In January 2014 when Industrial Heat announced it had bought the rights to Andrea Rossi’s technology, it seemed that the days of Leonardo Corporation as the drivers of development and commercialization were over. But recently Andrea Rossi has made statements which show that Leonardo Corporation, where he is CEO, is actually in control of the E-Cat’s intellectual property and commercial strategy. I’m not sure what, if anything, has changed lately, but Rossi’s tone in comments on the JONP is certainly emphasizing the role of Leonardo much more these days.

For example, yesterday there were some direct questions about regarding the topic from Daniel G. Zavlea. Below are the questions and Rossi’s responses.

Dear Dr. Rossi,
To avoid confusion:

1- who is the owner of the Intellectual Property related to the E-Cat and the so called Rossi Effect?

AR: Leonardo Corporation

2- who will decide the global industrial and commercial strategy for the E-Cats?

AR: the Board of Directors of Leonardo Corporation, in collaboration with the Licensees on the base of their specific agreements and Territories

3- who will manufacture the E-Cats?

AR:Leonardo Corporation and the Licensees that have also the manufacturing license

4- who will sell the E-Cats?

AR: Leonardo Corporation and the commercial Licensees in their Territories

So it seems that in this multi-layered organization that Leonardo Corporation is going to be involved at every level. It would seem from these responses that Industrial Heat is one of a number of licensees, and perhaps they hold a manufacturing license as well as commercial license for certain territories.

When Tom Darden of Industrial Heat spoke at ICCF19, and gave the interview with Infinite Energy magazine, he came across more of an investor in LENR researchers, and a promoter of the technology, and emphasized that he was quite hands-off when it came to the R&D work of the scientists he was investing in. It seems that Rossi is maintaining quite a lot of independence from Industrial Heat, even though they may be sponsoring his current work.

There are still a lot of unanswered questions, such as who is on the board of Leonardo Corporation, who all the remaining licensees are, and who has manufacturing licenses. Maybe this will become clearer when the commercialization process begins, and that seems to depend on the testing currently underway in the undisclosed location where Rossi is currently working. It does seem, though, that Andrea Rossi is still very much in control of his invention.

  • Mark D

    I lose confidence as It appears Rossi moves away from IH and back towards licensees like Roger Green. Hopeful of clarification from IH or Rossi on where they currently stand.

  • This is very sad development.

    I’m slowly understanding why Brian Ahern ceased to do further Hot-Cat replications and why he’s sure that Rossi and all involved with positive replication results either fooled us or made measurement errors.

    All this to and fro, back and forth…makes me lose hope in Rossi.

    • Paul

      “Why he is sure…” this seems a your idea, not Ahern’s. As far as I know, he has never told or written this about Rossi or the other competitors. If you have a link to such statement, it would be welcome…

      • Write him an email. It’s his oppinion, and that’s why he is silent after his first efforts of a parkhomov replication.

        • Paul

          Probably he was not able to replicate the exceptional results obtained by Rossi but discrediting the work of many other independent groups is a non-sense from a serious person, probably he’s only a frustrated scientist. like I know also Piantelli is… I understand both them…

          • Jarea1

            i agree with barty.
            It has been a long time ago and we should have had already more than smoke. MFMP has tried and tried but still no clear reproduction of the effect, at least, not to the scales of what Rossi says.
            Please, i think we should demand more facts and not just blind faith.
            Why haven´t we heard about any replication from Sweden? ,
            Why only Parkhomov and russian colleages together with the Chinesse (with not peer review papers) have been able to replicate it? Why nobody else on this world?.

            Besides, What i want to say is that Rossi has enough money ensured with his strategy already. If he has something about cold fussion, then he should release it for the sake of the society and the polluted earth.
            If he has something, then each year he delays his discovery, he participate actively in the pollution on the earth by doing nothing. Why does he want to have all over control?.
            is it all about having all the money of the cold fussion market?

            For me is very strange that something so big as cold fusion with COP (at least) >3 has not been cracking the whole world. On the other hand if we exclude pure research, what we have is a man and two company names IH and Leonardo Corp. One of recent creation without web and Leonardo created for this simple purpose. Really? No big companies here? , no big investions yet? wtf

          • attaboy

            I’m with Jarea and barty. But I’ve stated at least a few times in the past that its very strange that commercialization and utilization of Rossi’s lenr technology has not well under way by now. The world needs it so badly to replace the great damage done by fossil fuel energy. As I’ve also said, the most likely reason for the lack of progress can be traced back to protecting the interests of the rich and powerful, whether they be industrial, political, military or academic.

          • Omega Z

            Just Realize that this is not a technology accepted by the mainstream.

            I believe the statement- exceptional claims require exceptional proof is a stupid unfounded statement that should be relegated to the trash heap. Reasonable proof is all that is required with any claims Exceptional or Not.

            Unfortunately, It does appear that exceptional proof is the only thing that will satisfy the mainstream. Thus a successful industrial pilot plant is necessary. You wont see big investments until there is a product capable of real world use. If Rossi’s pilot plant is successful, then you will see movement.

            As for Rossi providing more details. This technology will require Billions in investments. Considering the Risks involved, Some IP protection will be necessary. IP that Rossi would never get if he provides to much Info. Thus, giving this info would delay any useful development of this technology until someone devised a protectable process.

            Most think Investors are just greedy & want to make to much profit. It’s not so simple. There not just concerned with making a ROI, but losing the upfront investment itself. Would you invest a Billion$ knowing you will lose all of it.

            Note: Bill Gates just committed 2 Billion$ of his personal funds(Not his charity foundations) in new exotic energy technologies. This is not aimed at wind/solar but for things such as LENR. This is a substantial commitment as of it’s size. About 3 zero’s beyond then the norm…

          • Paul

            Parkhomov and the Chinese are professional experimenters, so it is not strange that they obtain results. This does not means that ALL the ohers, more or less professional, can obtain the same results. Consider that the seutp and the powder used by MFMP is different. All this matters! Ahern cannot hope to obtain the result of Rossi replicanting Parkomov, this is also logically ridicolous…

        • Obvious

          Perhaps he should revisit his strategy. Rossi said that Ahern was the closest competitor when Ahern was doing his own thing. Building variants of Parkhomov, etc., may be going in the wrong direction. In particular Rossi mentioned his “preparation”.

          I’m not sure that Parkhomov has been properly replicated (using faithfully at least one his designs that supposedly worked). Vasilenko was closest, but used Al2O3 tubes instead of mullite (Note Rossi has used cordierite also in the past, so who knows if mullite is important).

          The furnace plan by Ahern was a good idea, but maybe the original design, flaws and all, needs to be replicated and then try new fuels, furnaces, etc.
          It is peculiar that only Asian continent dwellers seem to be able to pull it off besides Rossi. There is some possibility there is something different they are doing, either ingredients, power supply, …?

          Time to build a parameter spreadsheet/matrix and fill it in for all the failed and successful attempts to see if anything clearly is being missed, I guess.

    • MorganMck

      “Crickets…” In the future either provide a link or don’t ascribe your own ideas to others plase.

    • Omega Z


      Measurement errors are always a possibility when you are uncertain of
      the methodology & bumbling in the dark. Especially when working with
      low levels of energy.

      However, When working with input’s of 1Kw & output of 6Kw, Error
      seems extremely improbable. An even more improbable Error would be SSM
      when power is cut off & an hour latter your still boiling water.

      As to Replication teams having trouble getting regular & consistent
      results, I would sum it up to the Attitude that it must be easy. One
      thing Rossi has been very consistent about when people mention it must
      be simple or easy. His response may be something like, Possibly it is
      easy for you. For me it is very complex. He never strays from this. It’s
      a complex technology.

      You also find the simplicity mind set here at ECW.

      As soon as someone “appears” to get any positive result, the tongues
      start wagging that within a year everyone will be building their own.
      I’ll skip the discussion about all that’s wrong with this.

      The Truth is, If Parkhomov can repeatedly replicate the Lugano test
      obtaining COP>3, it is just a start. Perhaps if he studies &
      works real hard on it for 2 or 3 years, He would catch up to the point
      Rossi is at today.

      As to MFMP & the multiple teams they support trying to replicate the
      Lugano test which includes Brian Ahern. I state this with NO Animosity
      what so ever.

      Tho they are open source & collaborative, They Do Compete with each
      other whether consciously or not. It is just human nature. I’ve observed
      multiple tests here at ECW & everyone gets a couple things right.
      But most of the test is not. There are to many shortcuts &
      deviations from the Lugano test. This is due to both impatience & of
      a competitive nature to lead the pack. I would say from my observations
      that if you used the best practices of each of the tests to date, A
      single good test could probably be achieved.

      And whats with the spectroanalysis after each test of only a few hours.
      If a test doesn’t last 7/10 days, This is a waste of time &
      resources. Any deviation is likely to be well within error.

  • hempenearth

    Industrial Heat has commercial (and I think manufacturing) rights to North America and China. Roger Green has commercial rights to Australia, Japan, and assorted others not in Europe. Hydrofusion has commercial rights in parts of Europe.

    • BillH

      I checked out the Hydrofusion website, there doesn’t seem to have been much action except for the plugging of a book over the last 2 years. I did however find this link http://ecat.com/ecat-energy-cost-calculator which may be somewhat interesting, but I assume it’s out of date.

  • clovis ray

    Hi, billH
    Not necessarily, he did have a clause that said he was to be the lead science person for H/I, remember, as well as being paid a huge amount of money. I would say he is setting pretty, in the cat bird seat, right where he belongs, I say he is the only one that can handle the pressure that the E-cat brings,

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    I want to make sure what you are insinuating, you are saying there is no
    such thing as a working E-Cat, the plant Rossi has been describing is a figment of his imagination, everyone from Defkalion to Lugano scientists, the Lugano testing itself faked, Industrial Heat, Industrial Heat’s attorneys and attorneys of all licencees, Mats Lewan, everyone witnessing the multiple e-cat tests have all been duped. If this is not your intent, please be clear.

  • Sanjeev

    I remember Rossi saying that his partners have made an E-Cat independently, without any help from himself. That hinted towards a complete tech transfer.
    Since its now clear that no IP was transferred, the press release by IH needs an update. Perhaps only a limited know how was transferred for some purposes such as manufacturing, and they(IH) do not own the IP.

  • AdrianAshfield

    If Rossi had sold the IP he would never get much of a return. As it is, he will get a cut from every E-Cat sold. There maybe some side deal with Industrial Heat for them funding the current 1MW plant and providing help in his further research.

    I don’t think there is much doubt left about whether the E-Cat works. The customer is using the steam and a third party is monitoring the amount. If it weren’t working the standby 15 kW E-Cats would have been brought into operation. Then Aftenposten writes they got an expert third party report that the plant is working well.

    What is not clear is how Rossi will protect his IP without a patent. Just stating they will be sold cheaply enough to avoid competition doesn’t sound like a solid defense. Rossi is smart enough that I expect he has a plan. Maybe apply for a patent showing the magic ingredient, at the last moment before going public. He could bring a working model into the patent office if need be and they don’t believe him.