Sunday Times: Steorn Raises More Money, Sales in Small Quantities Have Begun (Update: Orbo Powercube Webinar Announced for October 28th)

UPDATE #2 (September 29th, 2015)

For people interested in what Steorn’s Orbo Powercube is all about, there’s a free webinar that has been announced that will take place on Wednesday, 28 October 2015, at 07:00 pm GMT.

The website Freeenergytruth explains what will go on at this webinar:

“During the webinars Steorn CEO Shaun McCarthy will talk about Orbo, demo the Powercube technology, answer questions and you will get a first look at the Orbo Powercube. The various components of the Powercube will be shown and how they work together will be explained.”

I’ve signed up (registration link here), and will be interested to see what is presented.

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An article appearing in the Irish version of the Sunday Times newspaper reports on the progress of Steorn, the Irish Company developing a battery charger based on its Orbo techhnology which is claimed to produce energy from magnetic interactions.

The article by Vincent Ryan is titled “Steorn’s battery boosted by €2m” and can be located here, except the full text is only available behind a paywall. I have been able to read the full article, but can’t reproduce it here for copyright reasons (News Corp owns the Sunday Times) — but here are key points:

— Company filings last week show that 2.1 million Euros was recently raised by Steorn from individual investors and an investment trust.

— CEO Shaun McCarthy states that they have begun to sell small quantities of Orbo devices, and anticipates Steorn will generate a small profit this year.

— The company’s focus is to license its technology in the consumer electronics market. McCarthy is quoted as saying, “You put this in your product and you never have to recharge it. A ballsy statement, I know.”

If anyone knows of a way to get hold of one of these early devices for sale, I would love to be able to get my hands on one, and carry out some long-term live testing to stream on this website to see if Orbo technology really does what Steorn claims.

UPDATE: Thanks to SG for the link to the following. Of course an anonymous Reddit post can’t be verified, so this can only be classified as a rumor, but here’s a claim posted on that site:

“I’m probably going to get destroyed for saying this but I’ve seen one of those orbo thingies in the real world!”

“It was very very interesting…”

“Well I’ve never seen a battery shorted then recharge itself. It was hooked up to an oscilloscope, positive and negative terminals were connected, saw it flat line as the energy discharged then it jumped back up to fill the battery again. Admittedly the capacity of that one was very low but I hear they have improved the power density since. Could it have been faked? I’m sure it could as I’m no expert in these things but the above is what I saw.”

https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/3l778v/steorn_a_well_known_investment_scam_has_ripped/

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, let see who has bought it and what their experience is. Is the sale only to selected people who will not talk about it ? If yes then its still in doubtful zone for me.

  • Sanjeev

    Yes, let see who has bought it and what their experience is. Is the sale only to selected people who will not talk about it ? If yes then its still in doubtful zone for me.

  • Ivan Idso

    I would like to know how many watts it produces, were there any specs in the article.

    • ecatworld

      No, not in the article. The person at Slattery’s in Dublin who did some field testing said that he was told the power cube they had was able to do two full charges of a phone in 24 hours.

      • Ged

        We can calculate its power output, then, based on the known battery energy capacity specs of a tested phone. I hope you can get your hands on one of these and give it a try.

  • Ivan Idso

    I would like to know how many watts it produces, were there any specs in the article.

    • Frank Acland

      No, not in the article. The person at Slattery’s in Dublin who did some field testing said that he was told the power cube they had was able to do two full charges of a phone in 24 hours.

      • Ged

        We can calculate its power output, then, based on the known battery energy capacity specs of a tested phone. I hope you can get your hands on one of these and give it a try.

        • Positron

          Most phones have around a 2000 maH battery – 2 amp hours.iPhone 8 has 1800 maH, most android phones have more.

          P = IV and USB runs at 5 V, so a phone needs 10 WH hours of power to charge

          If the orbo can fully charge 2 phones in 24 hours, it’s producing 20 WH pf power.

          If it did this in 1 hour, it would be producing 20 / (60 * 60) = 5.56 milliwats

          However it is doing this over 24 hours, so it is producing

          5.56/24 = 0.2 milliwatts

          It doesn’t seem inconceivable that you could harness this from stray EM radiation. Very unlikely to be anything to do with LENR

          • Bob Greenyer

            You can get 500milliwatt WIFI, most are up to 100milliwatt

  • How do they interpret the wording “sell”?
    Does it mean that contracts were signed and money flew?
    They didn’t say anything about actually delivered devices working at the customers residence?

    • i hope it is just wind…
      This is food for Mary unless they give good evidences.

  • How do they interpret the wording “sell”?
    Does it mean that contracts were signed and money flew?
    They didn’t say anything about actually delivered devices working at the customers residence?

    • i hope it is just wind…
      This is food for Mary unless they give good evidences.

  • Y2K

    They could possibly harvest electromagnetic field from environment. Hence so small output. Like recent wi-fi charger demo.

  • Y2K

    They could possibly harvest electromagnetic field from environment. Hence so small output. Like recent wi-fi charger demo.

  • I do not believe anything this company says. I don’t think they are worth reporting on unless and until they actually produce something that works. They must produce definitive third party tests that show their gadgets work.

  • I do not believe anything this company says. I don’t think they are worth reporting on unless and until they actually produce something that works. They must produce definitive third party tests that show their gadgets work.

    • “I don’t think they are worth reporting on unless and until they actually produce something that works.”

      Uhhh…did you miss the part about it being on sale, now? Well, I don’t think that they need third-party tests when they have a product on sale. If you would rather have “third party testers” and the mainstream scientific community telling you what to believe, then I guess that I can’t stop you. Me, personally, I would rather do the thinking, myself, at least in this case, when I can buy one and see if it works, with my own eyes.

      • When I read independent reports of hundreds of people actually buying their gadgets, then I will believe they are on sale.

        When I read independent reports of hundreds of consumers claiming the product actually works, then I will be interested. Right now I see nothing to back up any claim they have ever made.

        • Alrighty, then. Let’s wait and see if that happens. If you plan on being in that pub that they tested the PowerCube in sometime soon, and I also happen to be there (not likely) I’ll buy you a beer while we wait.

  • This reminds me of that flashlight that just went on the market from Adgex – I think that it is called the ELFE. It is probably based on different principles, though. (I think that they said that the ELFE works with Schumann Resonance in the Earth’s atmosphere to charge the flashlight)

    Oh, well, if Steorn have really done this, then congratulations are in order. I think that I posted this on other sites, but if this actually works, then I think that this should be the Steorn theme song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih0btgJw8s

  • This reminds me of that flashlight that just went on the market from Adgex – I think that it is called the ELFE. It is probably based on different principles, though. (I think that they said that the ELFE works with Schumann Resonance in the Earth’s atmosphere to charge the flashlight)

    Oh, well, if Steorn have really done this, then congratulations are in order. I think that I posted this on other sites, but if this actually works, then I think that this should be the Steorn theme song:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cih0btgJw8s

  • SG

    Some user named nixmixed claims to have seen one out in the wild:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/3l778v/steorn_a_well_known_investment_scam_has_ripped/

  • SG

    Some user named nixmixed claims to have seen one out in the wild:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/3l778v/steorn_a_well_known_investment_scam_has_ripped/

  • Daniel Maris

    They say it’s on sale. Where?

    • nietsnie

      Exactly. Steorn says it’s been sold on a small scale? To whom? Maybe it was to people in that remote African village that got the Orbo-powered well.

  • When I read independent reports of hundreds of people actually buying their gadgets, then I will believe they are on sale.

    When I read independent reports of hundreds of consumers claiming the product actually works, then I will be interested. Right now I see nothing to back up any claim they have ever made.

  • Oystein Lande

    I don’t understand why this site keeps reporting on Stoern which has nothing to do with LENR.

    This is hundred times more controversial than cold fusion ever was. Does not benefit this site.

    Extracting free energy, ZPE or wathever we call it, from permanent magnets have been tried for centures without success.

    In this case an extraordinary claim made by Stoern demands a really really extra extra extraordinary Proof, not merely “It’s for sale”

    • Fun Fact: The dude that first said: :”Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof” was Marcello Truzzi, and he lived to regret it.

    • Guru

      Brian Ahern has hypothesis, that so called LENR is in fact magnetic or nano-magnetics effect, so it is possibility that You attack the same phenomenon in different revelation

    • Omega Z

      Lande

      “Extraordinary Claims merely need Ordinary Proof.
      Ordinary, but confirmed just as any other claim.

    • Ryan

      Powered heavier than air flight was tried for centuries and written off by those declared the absolute authorities and yet they were proven wrong. The only questions you need to ask yourself in matters such as this are; Has this cost me anything? Are they demanding I acquiesce to their hypothesis without evidence? In both cases the answer is no. You are not being cost anything by these people doing what they are doing and they aren’t trying to force you to believe their hypothesis without evidence. They are making a claim, plain and simple and it will either bear out or not. I will watch but otherwise not make a decision one way or another until further evidence is provided. It costs me nothing to wait and observe and I see no reason to bloviate about how it can’t be possible as again they aren’t trying to force me to believe nor are they costing me anything. Lots of things people thought were impossible were found to be quite possible and every society has thought in its time that it was at the ultimate, leading edge that nothing could really get better than, which time after time was proven wrong by later societies. Our civilization will be no different and I doubt very much that the things we think impossible now will not be overcome in the future. Also, no extraordinary claims do not need extraordinary evidence. They only need evidence, like everything else. There is no such thing as super evidence, only evidence, period. If they have an effect that bears out eventually the evidence will come to light and we will have a better understanding of the phenomena, if there is any, no super evidence needed.

  • Oystein Lande

    I don’t understand why this site keeps reporting on Stoern which has nothing to do with LENR.

    This is hundred times more controversial than cold fusion ever was. Does not benefit this site.

    Extracting free energy, ZPE or wathever we call it, from permanent magnets have been tried for centuries without success.

    In this case an extraordinary claim made by Stoern demands a really really extra extra extraordinary Proof, not merely “It’s for sale”

    • Fun Fact: The dude that first said: :”Extraordinary Claims Require Extraordinary Proof” was Marcello Truzzi, and he lived to regret it.

    • Guru

      Brian Ahern has hypothesis, that so called LENR is in fact magnetic or nano-magnetics effect, so it is possibility that You attack the same phenomenon in different revelation

    • Omega Z

      Lande

      “Extraordinary Claims merely need Ordinary Proof.
      Ordinary, but confirmed just as any other claim.

    • Ryan

      Powered heavier than air flight was tried for centuries and written off by those declared the absolute authorities and yet they were proven wrong. The only questions you need to ask yourself in matters such as this are; Has this cost me anything? Are they demanding I acquiesce to their hypothesis without evidence? In both cases the answer is no. You are not being cost anything by these people doing what they are doing and they aren’t trying to force you to believe their hypothesis without evidence. They are making a claim, plain and simple and it will either bear out or not. I will watch but otherwise not make a decision one way or another until further evidence is provided. It costs me nothing to wait and observe and I see no reason to bloviate about how it can’t be possible as again they aren’t trying to force me to believe nor are they costing me anything. Lots of things people thought were impossible were found to be quite possible and every society has thought in its time that it was at the ultimate, leading edge that nothing could really get better than, which time after time was proven wrong by later societies. Our civilization will be no different and I doubt very much that the things we think impossible now will not be overcome in the future. Also, no extraordinary claims do not need extraordinary evidence. They only need evidence, like everything else. There is no such thing as super evidence, only evidence, period. If they have an effect that bears out eventually the evidence will come to light and we will have a better understanding of the phenomena, if there is any, no super evidence needed.

  • GreenWin

    Steorn has been vilified by consensus science and pathos for years. But like other alternative energy technologies they keep coming back. Funny that. Just another step in the paradigm change that bachole and others have long predicted.

    • Barbierir

      I think being vilified was perfectly justified and I’m not a pathoskeptics by any stretch, they can’t make such claims without showing or explaining anything. It was exactly what they deserved.

      • SG

        While I generally agree the burden is on the claimant, the problem in my opinion is the tone of the attacks. We’re all on this planet trying to find our way and really the kind of attacks that were leveled against Steorn were pretty wild and uncalled for, particularly since they seemed sincere and there has been little evidence that the investors have turned on them–in fact, the investors seem very supportive even all of these years later given some recent statements in the press.

  • GreenWin

    Steorn has been vilified by consensus science and pathos for years. But like other alternative energy technologies they keep coming back. Funny that. Just another step in the paradigm change that bachole and others have long predicted.

    • Barbierir

      I think being vilified was perfectly justified and I’m not a pathoskeptics by any stretch, they can’t make such claims without showing or explaining anything. It was exactly what they deserved.

      • SG

        While I generally agree the burden is on the claimant, the problem in my opinion is the tone of the attacks. We’re all on this planet trying to find our way and really the kind of attacks that were leveled against Steorn were pretty wild and uncalled for, particularly since they seemed sincere and there has been little evidence that the investors have turned on them–in fact, the investors seem very supportive even all of these years later given some recent statements in the press.

  • HiggsField

    This should be interesting. As many here are aware there was a report in May of them doing a field trail: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2015/05/orbo-field-trial-reported-in-irish-times.html
    You do not get 2.1 million Euros which some serious indulgence being carried out on the part of the investor(s). I think you have to give this at least a 75% chance of being legit. The interesting thing to me is this a mechanical or solid state device. If you were to put it into a cell phone or flash light I would think solid state. Unlikely investors would be interested in something mechanical?

  • HiggsField

    This should be interesting. As many here are aware there was a report in May of them doing a field trail: http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2015/05/orbo-field-trial-reported-in-irish-times.html
    You do not get 2.1 million Euros without some serious indulgence being carried out on the part of the investor(s). I think you have to give this at least a 75% chance of being legit. The interesting thing to me is this a mechanical or solid state device. If you were to put it into a cell phone or flash light I would think solid state. Unlikely investors would be interested in something mechanical?

  • Blue Energy

    Mark, I know it’s a little ugly, but I pretty much reserve my scorn just for Steorn. I followed them and gave them the benefit of the doubt for years. I participated in an experiment to prove the existence of it. But there has never been anything but smoke and mirrors to repay it. For me, there’s just a limit to how long you can intimate that proof is just around the corner – and then not produce it. It’s is astonishing to me that they can still talk money out of new investors after all this time.

    Now they intimate that a product has been sold. You suggest the use of search engines to find where Orbo is on sale and/or who it has been sold to. I have Googled that. All I’ve come up with are vague claims of anonymous sales having been made. Nothing substantive so far – and that doesn’t surprise me in the least. That’s Steorn’s M.O. None of the hundreds of hours I have spent trying to track down a Steorn claim about Orbo have ever panned out. Ever. I would love to have been right in supporting them eight years ago. Give me something substantive if you have access to it – I would love to change my mind. Scorn is so ugly!

    • I hear what you’re saying – I really do. They screwed up, and they owned up to it. They should have never done things the way that they did in announcing what they did when they did. The same can be said of Rossi. He tried to rush the E-Cat on the market too fast. Remember when Rossi was saying that Rossi was hoping to have the E-Cat in The Home Depot in 2012? Well, the Steorn folks have just announced that The PowerCube is on sale (not that they have actually sold any, yet) and this was reported by that article behind the paywall. The only thing substantive that I can say, for now, is that Frank wants to try to get his hands on one and run a test on E-Cat World. We should all try to see if we can get in touch with someone at Steorn who can make it happen. The Steorn folks may be worried about Frank being a debunker, if they do not know who Frank is and what he does, so there may need to be some further convincing. What I can suggest to Frank is to try to get in touch with the folks at freeenergy.news. I have read a number of their Facebook posts which seem to suggest that the freeenergy.news folks may have some inside information on the Steorn thing. They may be able to convince the Steorn folks to allow Frank to run the test. If you don’t want to participate in this effort, Blue Energy, then I would understand where you are coming from. You may just have to wait until the PowerCube goes on sale to everyone. Unlikely things do happen, every now and then:

      http://amasci.com/weird/vindac.html

      • Blue Energy

        I’m a sucker for the potential of unlikely things. And the truth is that I would be much more circumspect if Shaun even makes his device available to fairly test by the public and it doesn’t flop dramatically.

        Yes. Frank should get one – and then open it and see whether it is filled with electrical storage devices; or whether it contains circuitry to create electricity out of nothing. If it’s just batteries or capaciters, then it’s a hoax as most of us expect and he can stop there. But, if not he can continue. Truth is – it is very unlikely that Steorn will make the insides of the device easily available for view due to the probability of fraud detection before collection of more funds.

        An in-between potential is that the contents include both a smallish battery and unusual circuitry. The manufacturer of the battery can be used to obtain max storage specs for it. These can be used to determine the total expected charge capacity of the battery so that in the next phase of testing that can be exceeded.

        Then, he should charge things with it pretty much continuously for an extended period of time. Say – two phones a day for a month or two.

        If Orbo, tested by Frank (not Steorn…) has reportedly done that successfully then I would pay a lot more serious attention to it again.

        Although there are some parallels between McCarthy and Rossi, Rossi has been public for much less long; Rossi’s public demonstrations were each at least partially successful; and Rossi’s third part tests were successful. Whereas, McCarthy has been at it publicly for much longer; McCarthy’s public demonstrations have all failed (with the possible exception of that well pump in the undisclosed location somewhere in rural Africa); and McCarthy’s panel of independent testers unanimously declared it didn’t work. Add to that – no-one, even with Steorn-supplied (for money no less…) insider knowledge has been able to duplicate the effect. Whereas e-cat has been duplicated several times now. Big differences there. Not to say that there isn’t room for Rossi to fail miserably still – but that seems less and less likely to me all the time. I keep waiting for those MFMP results to get back…

        • You’re making an awful lot of assumptions that might not be true. Well, whatever. I guess that we’re going to see. I hope that Frank manages to get one, so that he can test it, and you can be convinced. I do not, however, think that Frank needs to look inside. He just needs to run it longer than any known battery can account for, in my opinion. What do you think, Frank?

          • ecatworld

            If I can get an orbo, my focus will be on long-term testing to see what it is capable of.

          • Blue Energy

            I suppose that testing it long enough will eventually surpass what a quick peek inside would confirm more quickly. And, for that matter, confirmation of no massive battery is not proof that it will still work next week or even tomorrow.

  • hempenearth

    Webinars announced in about 30 days, with possible Orbo Powercube sales. If you get the option Frank, can you buy one for me please?
    http://freeenergynews/steorn/

  • hempenearth

    Webinars announced in about 30 days, with possible Orbo Powercube sales. If you get the option Frank, can you buy one for me please?
    http://freeenergynews/steorn/

  • Bob Greenyer

    You can get 500milliwatt WIFI, most are up to 100milliwatt

  • Anon2012_2014

    Could it use the fluctuations in the earth’s magnetic field to induce current sufficient to charge a cell phone? We know that the magnetic field changes, during solar storms for example, and it is possible to induce large currents in large transmission line runs.

    I can’t imagine that this is more than a few milliwatts for a device the size of that box in the Irish pub, but it is something. My recollection is that most cellphone batteries are around 3000 mAh, so I would doubt that the orbo can make more than a small amount of charge over a 12 hour period.

    • The ELFE flashlight uses fluctuations in the magnetic field, I think. Specifically, the ELFE uses “Schumann Resonance.” I would guess that the PowerCube works under a different idea, but I’m no expert. The PowerCube might be a real overunity machine. I have wondered, for a while, if our current vision of the concept of “energy” even makes any sense, at all. Maybe Steorn can prove that we have all been wrong all of this time…

      • Slad

        A problem: How big does an antenna have to be, to properly receive a 30Hz or less signal?

  • Omega Z

    Hey Mark

    Can you provide a link on that. 🙂

  • HiggsField

    It seems that we do not have to wait too long to learn more: http://steornnews.com/

    You have to admire the tenacity of these guys. How much will the device cost? Will it be available for Christmas? Can they be connected in series and parallel to form an array and perhaps power my house one day? Will the energizer bunny be fitted with one? I hope Shaun McCarthy does a press event, perhaps someone from here could attend.

    I’ve just signed up for the webinar here: http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7
    or at least that what I hope it is?

  • Omega Z

    What is your mind set? I can’t power my Electric car with this or my home therefore this is just a bunch of hoaky crap.
    I don’t know if this Orbo cube works or how it’s supposed to work. I know crystal radios do work & this Orbo may be a play off of that.

    Most everyone here is of the mindset of large quantities of power. I fully understand that. But I will continue to watch this technology. If this should work, even if it produces only small quantities of energy, It has a lot of potential.

    I’ll explain why-
    It’s that time of year again. The annual Changing out the battery in my Thermostat. Yes, The battery is still going, but I don’t want to wake at 3:00 AM freezing because the battery decide it was out of power & the heat doesn’t come on.

    I have 3 clocks in the house that use a single AA battery. Yep, I’ll change them while I’m at it. Like shoestrings that break at inconvenient times, the clocks will quit at inconvenient times as well.

    Modern TV’s & computer monitors that draw small amounts of energy so we have that instant on. I’ve seen some are now using as little as 1/2 a watt.

    Ever have a power outage, rummage around for that flashlight in the dark & stub a toe only to flip the switch & have the oh crap moment. OK, where’s those spar batteries. Oh yeah, done used them. Meant to pick some up.

    All these small energy drains & batteries add up $$$. If the Orbo cube or something of that nature can work, even at low energy levels, it has a lot of potential. It becomes a question of how much energy & how cheaply can they be mass produced.

    We don’t give these little things much thought. The market is HUGE.

    • SG

      If the power cube works, then it seems likely that it could be scaled up. The Steorn folks have talked about developing built-in car chargers in the past.

  • HiggsField

    Final design apparently. I’m hopping that the people who sign up for the webinar get first chance to buy one.

  • Omega Z

    What is your mind set? I can’t power my Electric car with this or my home therefore this is just a bunch of hoaky crap.
    I don’t know if this Orbo cube works or how it’s supposed to work. I know crystal radios do work & this Orbo may be a play off of that.

    Most everyone here is of the mindset of large quantities of power. I fully understand that. But I will continue to watch this technology. If this should work, even if it produces only small quantities of energy, It has a lot of potential.

    I’ll explain why-
    It’s that time of year again. The annual Changing out the battery in my Thermostat. Yes, The battery is still going, but I don’t want to wake at 3:00 AM freezing because the battery decide it was out of power & the heat doesn’t come on.

    I have 3 clocks in the house that use a single AA battery. Yep, I’ll change them while I’m at it. Like shoestrings that break at inconvenient times, the clocks will quit at inconvenient times as well.

    Modern TV’s & computer monitors that draw small amounts of energy so we have that instant on. I’ve seen some are now using as little as 1/2 a watt.

    Ever have a power outage, rummage around for that flashlight in the dark & stub a toe only to flip the switch & have the oh crap moment. OK, where’s those spar batteries. Oh yeah, done used them. Meant to pick some up.

    All these small energy drains & batteries add up $$$. If the Orbo cube or something of that nature can work, even at low energy levels, it has a lot of potential. It becomes a question of how much energy & how cheaply can they be mass produced.

    We don’t give these little things much thought. The market is HUGE.

    • SG

      If the power cube works, then it seems likely that it could be scaled up. The Steorn folks have talked about developing built-in car chargers in the past.

  • HiggsField

    Final design apparently. I’m hopping that the people who sign up for the webinar get first chance to buy one.

  • Slad

    A problem: How big does an antenna have to be, to properly receive a 30Hz or less signal?

  • Angry SQUIRREL!!

    While I want to be hopeful for this product’s success, we have been burned big time in the past by Steorn. Consider me a skeptic of this.

    • Omega Z

      There is nothing wrong with being skeptical as long as one is not closed minded.

      • closed minded is hard to define.
        You can be very conservative, this mean have a preference to conservation when in doubt, as you can be optimistic and hopefull , but :
        – when you cannot conclude, even if you have a clear statistical bias to say one hypotheis is more credible, you have to admit you are not sure.
        – when there is evidence that are solid enough, you have to accept them, and at worst just claim there is still room for doubt if you have an improbable theory to explain another hypothesis…

        what the yeah-believers like the nay-believer do, is ignore evidence that dissent, and take doubt as evidence that please their bias.

        you can be optimistic, pessimistic, biased, racist, idealist, conservatists, liberal, but once there is evidence, evidence of an hypothesis, or of a doubt, you have to integrate it.

        the real crime is bad risk management.

        if mainstream people were simply skeptical and managing risk correctly, they would simply invest few billion in cold fusion in case it is real, knowing it is probably not, reading every peer reviewed and non reviewed paper, eventually reviewing those who are not reviewed.

        forget it, if science was rational you would call that engineering.

  • Omega Z

    There is nothing wrong with being skeptical as long as one is not closed minded.

    • closed minded is hard to define.
      You can be very conservative, this mean have a preference to conservation when in doubt, as you can be optimistic and hopefull , but :
      – when you cannot conclude, even if you have a clear statistical bias to say one hypotheis is more credible, you have to admit you are not sure.
      – when there is evidence that are solid enough, you have to accept them, and at worst just claim there is still room for doubt if you have an improbable theory to explain another hypothesis…

      what the yeah-believers like the nay-believer do, is ignore evidence that dissent, and take doubt as evidence that please their bias.

      you can be optimistic, pessimistic, biased, racist, idealist, conservatists, liberal, but once there is evidence, evidence of an hypothesis, or of a doubt, you have to integrate it.

      the real crime is bad risk management.

      if mainstream people were simply skeptical and managing risk correctly, they would simply invest few billion in cold fusion in case it is real, knowing it is probably not, reading every peer reviewed and non reviewed paper, eventually reviewing those who are not reviewed.

      forget it, if science was rational you would call that engineering.

  • Okay…so…a thought experiment:

    Let’s suppose that Steorn really is the real deal. What happens after this PowerCube goes onto the market? The pseudskeptics will not believe it no matter how many testimonies come in in favor of the PowerCube, or any other evidence. (For the purpose of this I will define a pseudoskeptic as someone who doubts the reality of the PowerCube when they should not.) So, is it even possible to change the minds of these pseudoskeptics? Well, it may come as surprising, but I actually do believe that it will be possible to change the minds of most of the pseudoskeptics. I do not believe, however, that their minds will be changed with reason, in most cases. So what will change their minds? In my opinion, it will be punishment. I have made no secret of the fact that I am a totalitarian and a misanthropist who hates most of the human race, in large part, because of the human unwillingness to consider, seriously, possibilities that they are emotionally dead set against. The pseudoskeptics are some of the worst offenders, and they will, for the most part, not change until they are punished for not changing their minds.

    So, how will they be punished? This is where it may get interesting. Perpetual motion machines are so threatening to the mainstream scientific community that they make cold fusion look normal, so there may be an even greater level of resistance to change from these pseudoskeptics. It will be interesting to see how long they will hold out. Proponents of the pseudoskeptic movement have held out on things for a long time, in the past, and are continuing to do so, with acupuncture as an example. One of the ways that they may get punished as they are holding out is by legal action, if their negative comments are too egregious. Another way that they may be punished is in their wallet, as they see others saving money on energy it will be difficult to write it off. (not that the pseudoskeptics won’t try…) There may be some other ways that these pseudoskeptics can get punished while they are holding out, as well. However, I think that the main way that pseudoskeptics will be punished for continuing to disbelieve in the PowerCube is simple peer pressure. If the pseudoskeptics continue to try to tell others that the PowerCube is not working, despite the fact that the market has been flooded with PowerCubes, (and, perhaps, the same tech in other electronics) despite the fact that most everyone either has one or knows someone else who does (and almost everyone is saying that it works) – well, under those circumstances, most people who deal with these pseudoskeptics will start to become annoyed. Many may even start calling into question the mental competency of these pseudoskeptics. There may also be other severe punishments that come along with this peer pressure, like being unable to raise money or unable to find colleagues who would want to work with them – perhaps even unable to find jobs in certain fields.

    When this kind of severe punishment, or, in some cases, the threat of this kind of severe punishment, comes over the pseudoskeptics, most of them will back down and start to believe in the reality of the PowerCube, and the underlying tech. Many may not admit that they were wrong, publicly, and just start acting as if they never disbelieved. Also, some may say or act like they’ve changed, but be lying. I tend to believe that most of these people may do that for a while, but then they will fully give in and start to actually believe that the PowerCube is real. In many cases (and I think that this kind of case may be one of them) it may be difficult to pretend that you are different than you actually are. Many times you are what you pretend to be. I believe that there was a book (I think that it was fiction…) that involved a pro-United-States spy working for a pro-Nazi propaganda organization in an attempt to help the Allies, but he became so good at his job that he did more harm to the Allied effort than good. (Maybe someone can help me out with the title.) I have also heard of actors, especially method actors, saying similar things, including being changed, permanently, by certain roles.

    Of course, there will be those few who will dig in their heels and continue to disbelieve in the PowerCube. These will probably only be a few who still disbelieve in spite of widespread propagation of this tech. These will be the ones who just take their disbelief to their graves. I believe that Max Planck once said something to the effect that science advances one funeral at a time. Thankfully, these few will probably not be able to cause too much trouble as this tech, and the human race, moves forward.

    • Blue Energy

      Let’s consider the opposite also, Mark: those people who continue to believe no matter how much evidence piles up against Steorn and Orbo. What shall their punishment be? Most will probably not publicly pillory themselves. I suspect that some will continue to field excuses for Steorn; find logical loopholes in which a millimeter of doubt somehow remains. But, the vast majority of former believers will simply become less vocal. Somehow Steorn will probably emerge without a scratch, financially. But, they will suffer in public opinion again. Really, this doesn’t take much prognostication. It’s already happened.

      But, if Steorn fields a product that actually does what its buyers hope it will do? Well, nothing quiets skeptics and scorners quite like incontrovertible evidence of truth. Steorn has a little further to go just because of all its public failures – but all that bad karma is certainly overcomeable. As a disbeliever myself, I would definitely get back on the bandwagon and joyously admit that I was wrong. All it would take is publicly available proof. Thousands of PowerCubes out there in the wild doing what people expected them to do when they bought them would be plenty good enough. Word of free energy for sale (pun intended…) would travel fast.

      There might be a few people who have personally invested in disbelief to the extent that they would prefer that a wonderful outcome for mankind be smothered rather than admit that they were wrong. Probably roughly about the same percent who have invested in belief no-matter-what. But, these people, who are not swayed by evidence, are in the minority. In general, truth will out – one way or the other.

      • Blue Energy

        As a demonstration, when I was a kid there was a very common phrase that people in the US Midwest said when they wanted to indicate that something was ridiculously unbelievable. You heard it several times a month. They would say, “That’s about as likely as a man on the moon.” It vanished from lexicon altogether overnight in 1969.

        • HA! I didn’t know that. That reminds me of the saying, “You’d sooner find a black swan,” back in Europe in The Middle Ages.

      • Uhhh…the assumption of the hypothetical thought experiment was that the PowerCube is the real deal. Obviously, if that turns out to be wrong then the whole scenario falls apart. It was just a hypothetical thought experiment, and I think that similar scenarios play out with a lot of other subjects. If you want to hypothesize about another scenario, like the opposite scenario, go for it. I can’t say that I’m eager to participate in that, but maybe you’ll find some others who will be more interested.

        Also, if you will change with evidence that will change any reasonable person, then you are, by definition, NOT a pseudoskeptic, and NOT one of the people that I was talking about in the hypothetical scenario. If you want more information about the kinds of pseudoskeptics that I am talking about, check out this article:

        http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy/pseudoskepticism-skeptopathy-cryptodenialism-rossi-ecat/

    • SG

      Interesting thought experiment, although I think this statement is a bit over the top:
      “I am a totalitarian and a misanthropist who hates most of the human race . . .”

      Although I’d have to agree with your witty statement:
      “. . . so threatening to the mainstream scientific community that they make cold fusion look normal.”

      IF the power cube works (and that is a giant IF), then the current scientific paradigm would be disrupted to its core. As far as punishment, I believe the only significant one would be the legal liability of those who have denounced Steorn as an outright fraud in countless places (newspapers, web, etc.). Alleging fraud where there is none is libelous. The “believers” or those who are neutral, of course, would not be subject to any such liability. The more vociferous pseudoskeptics on the other hand, could be. The safest posture is to remain neutral until the truth prevails one way or the other.

      • Hey, I’m an over-the-top kind of guy. It is important to seriously consider over-the-top possibilities, like totalitarianism. It was my willingness to consider over-the-top possibilities that sent me down the road that eventually got me to believe that cold fusion is real.

        I agree with the last sentence that you posted.

  • Blue Energy

    Let’s consider the opposite also, Mark: those people who continue to believe no matter how much evidence piles up against Steorn and Orbo. What shall their punishment be? Most will probably not publicly pillory themselves. I suspect that some will continue to field excuses for Steorn; find logical loopholes in which a millimeter of doubt somehow remains. But, the vast majority of former believers will simply become less vocal. Somehow Steorn will probably emerge without a scratch, financially. But, they will suffer in public opinion again. Really, this doesn’t take much prognostication. It’s already happened.

    But, if Steorn fields a product that actually does what its buyers hope it will do? Well, nothing quiets skeptics and scorners quite like incontrovertible evidence of truth. Steorn has a little further to go just because of all its public failures – but all that bad karma is certainly overcomeable. As a disbeliever myself, I would definitely get back on the bandwagon and joyously admit that I was wrong. All it would take is publicly available proof. Thousands of PowerCubes out there in the wild doing what people expected them to do when they bought them would be plenty good enough. Word of free energy for sale (pun intended…) would travel fast.

    There might be a few people who have personally invested in disbelief to the extent that they would prefer that a wonderful outcome for mankind be smothered rather than admit that they were wrong. Probably roughly about the same percent who have invested in belief no-matter-what. But, these people, who are not swayed by evidence, are in the minority. In general, truth will out – one way or the other.

    • Blue Energy

      As a demonstration, when I was a kid there was a very common phrase that people in the US Midwest said when they wanted to indicate that something was ridiculously unbelievable. You heard it several times a month. They would say, “That’s about as likely as a man on the moon.” It vanished from lexicon altogether overnight in 1969.

    • Uhhh…the assumption of the hypothetical thought experiment was that the PowerCube is the real deal. Obviously, if that turns out to be wrong then the whole scenario falls apart. It was just a hypothetical thought experiment, and I think that similar scenarios play out with a lot of other subjects. If you want to hypothesize about another scenario, like the opposite scenario, go for it. I can’t say that I’m eager to participate in that, but maybe you’ll find some others who will be more interested.

      Also, if you will change with evidence that will change any reasonable person, then you are, by definition, NOT a pseudoskeptic, and NOT one of the people that I was talking about in the hypothetical scenario. If you want more information about the kinds of pseudoskeptics that I am talking about, check out this article:

      http://ownshrink.com/skeptopathy/pseudoskepticism-skeptopathy-cryptodenialism-rossi-ecat/

  • Frank Acland

    New image of the orbo here. Not exactly a cube.

    https://instagram.com/p/8S9leFv5RW/

  • ecatworld
  • Even back in 2009, the Steorn folks seemed awfully confident that they were going to win, in the

    end; they put out this ad back then:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMuApBs0D8E

    By the way, the song is called “Hallucinations” by a band called: Delorentos. Time will tell whether that song is a fitting one, or an ironic one. (Irony seems to be the theme of the commercial.) Do not fall for the Darude – Sandstorm trick that you will see in many comment sections on Youtube.

  • HiggsField

    I was looking for information on Steorn’s possible solid state orbo design and came across this rather interesting video from 2009, but posted in mid July 2015.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF5dlr2OuWA

    I know a lot of people are highly skeptical of these guys; however their pulse motor with zero back emf is quite brilliant (original orbo).

    For those that might be interested here is a paper that discusses the magetic effect they appear to be exploiting in there orbo designs.

    http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/asymmetry-and-energy-in-magnetic-systems-rev-1.0.pdf