IH International Holdings Limited — A Tom Darden Directed Company Registered (Update: Rossi Comments on Licensees, E-Cat Ownership)

UPDATE: (March 9, 2016)

Andrea Rossi has commented on this finding on the JONP:

Andrea Rossi
March 8, 2016 at 7:52 PM
Erik Tegnersson:
I received many other comments and emails of the same tenor and with this comment I answer to all, spamming all the other comments and emails on the matter, not to lose precious time.
While, as you correctly say, many people are now speculating that Industrial Heat has expanded their licensed Territory and/or acquired the license for the United Kingdom, such speculation is without merit.
At this time, there has been no change to the Territory licensed to Industrial Heat, LLC or any of its affiliated companies.
Leonardo Corporation remains the owner of ALL the E- Cat related intellectual property and continues to work with multiple licenses, including the great Swedish Team of Hydrofusion ( one of our pillars ) throughout Europe and the rest of the world.
Warm Regards,
Dr Andrea Rossi, CEO of Leonardo Corporation.

Thanks to Barty for posting about a great find on the LENR-Forum here:

A company has been registered in the United Kingdom called IH Holdings International Limited. The listed officers are Thomas Francis Darden II and John Anthony Mazzarino. Both of these officers list their address as 111 East Hargett Street, Suite 300, Raleigh, North Carolina — which is the address of Cherokee Investment Partners and Industrial Heat, LLC.

Documents dated May 9, 2015 titled A Private Company Limited By Shares Resolution, and Articles of Association are also posted in a PDF document here Or here: http://www.e-catworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/IHinternationalapplication-pdf.pdf

The Starting on page 2 of this document are listed the names of the following individuals, companies and organizations — some of which have signatures included:

Brickhaven II, LLC
Atwood Partners, Ltd.
JT Vaughn
Hamilton Group, LLC
Atwood Advisors, LLC
The 2007 Henry Rice Kaestner Living Trust
Deep River Ventures, LLC
Briarcliff Trust
The 2008 Thomas R Sloan Living Trust
The Universal Guaranty Life Insurance Company
Stuart M Frantz
Griffin Family Holdings Company, LLC
Jesse T Correll
Ellison Capital II, LLC
JPIH Holdings, LLC
Hady Hartanto
Calimus, LLC
Ampenergo Inc
The 2013 Haynes G. Griffin Living Trust
Atwood IH, LLC

Barty points out that the Briarcliff Trust is owned by Brad Pitt. There is another Brad Pitt connection, as the executive director of Pitt’s Make it Right Foundation is Tom Darden III, Son of Tom Darden CEO of Cherokee.

It’s interesting that we have a separate IH company registered in the United Kingdom. Andrea Rossi has said that IH has the license for commercializing the E-Cat in the Americas and China (maybe other territories), and it seems that Leonardo Corp. will be operating in the UK. Rossi also said recently that the company that bought the first E-Cat X plant is from the UK — which makes me now wonder if that company could be IH Holdings International. Anyway, there are lots of new connections here to the E-Cat which I am sure people will now begin to explore.

  • bachcole

    This is gi-freaking-normous. I can hear the cold fusion disbelief dam cracking somewhere in the hollowed halls of rich people.

    • Brokeeper

      Hey! That dam water is fu…n cold! (you thought it was a different word – didn’t you?)

  • bachcole

    This is gi-freaking-normous. I can hear the cold fusion disbelief dam cracking somewhere in the hollowed halls of rich people.

    • Brokeeper

      “Hey! That dam water is fu…n cold!” (“fusion”)

  • bachcole

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  • Bob Greenyer

    It’s Tax

    • Slad

      I can think of some much better places to incorporate if looking for tax savings: Ireland, Luxembourg etc.

    • georgehants

      I have heard that if you are willing to bribe a few politicians in the UK then there is no need to pay any tax.
      Tax in the UK is kept almost exclusively for the low income family’s, which could be why out Health Service, Pensions, Elderly care, Transport etc. etc. are falling apart.

      • Slad

        “Tax in the UK is kept almost exclusively for the low income family’s”

        Yawn.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/tax/11233686/How-top-3000-earners-pay-more-tax-than-bottom-9-million.html

      • Brokeeper

        We peasants may find crumbs on the floor soon.

      • Zack Iszard

        Capitalism works for the many, too, when the few aren’t busy sheltering their billions offshore while funneling tax dollars into their pockets via all manner of subsidy. When buying politicians has a 760-fold ROI, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that some companies buy politicians and give them bills to pass.

        https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig

        This is obviously most true in the US, but the principle applies everywhere. I remember a UK journalist uncovering a sum of $32 trillion held in tax haven island accounts back in 2012, right around the time of the Libor scandal revelations. I wish I had a link. His comment was something like “that’s where all the money went!”

        By setting up robust protections of the government from monied influence, without stripping government power to standardize commerce,ensure transparency, protect public and private rights, and protect the environment from poor industrial practice, this whole mess of misnomer-capitalism will work itself out. As long as socialist solutions are adopted, the mess only gets worse – not because socialists are evil, but because the solutions they propose always backfire without a barrier between govt and private interest. Decentralization of power – corporate and governmental – is the only way to protect the rights of world citizens.

        (pragmatic libertarian views)

      • Bob Greenyer

        You are unfortunately correct.

      • LarryJ

        Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

    • Slad

      Best to incorporate in Ireland or Luxembourg for tax purposes 😉

      • спаситель русских

        Luxembourg -better I have relatives there

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Bob: Congratulations on your videos. I especially like this line when you were talking to the university obstructionists, “This can’t be stopped….this will happen.” Or, get on board to find out what is happening with LENR or find yourself out in the cold in a year. Keep the videos coming they are a perfect way to communicate to citizen LENR experimenters. And, you are good at it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thats very flattering, thank you.

  • Bob Greenyer

    It’s Tax

    • georgehants

      I have heard that if you are willing to bribe a few politicians etc. to lobby parliament in the UK then there is no need to pay any tax.
      Separately I think Google and many other large firms tax positions, after years of paying virtual nothing are being looked at.
      Tax in the UK is kept almost exclusively for the low income family’s, which could be why out Health Service, Pensions, Elderly care, Transport etc. etc. are falling apart.
      Capitalism is a Wonderful system —– For the few.

      • Brokeeper

        We peasants may find crumbs on the floor soon.

      • Zack Iszard

        Capitalism works for the many, too, when the few aren’t busy sheltering their billions offshore while funneling tax dollars into their pockets via all manner of subsidy. When buying politicians has a 760-fold ROI, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that some companies buy politicians and give them bills to pass.

        https://youtu.be/5tu32CCA_Ig

        This is obviously most true in the US, but the principle applies everywhere. I remember a UK journalist uncovering a sum of $32 trillion held in tax haven island accounts back in 2012, right around the time of the Libor scandal revelations. I wish I had a link. His comment was something like “that’s where all the money went!”

        By setting up robust protections of the government from monied influence, without stripping government power to standardize commerce,ensure transparency, protect public and private rights, and protect the environment from poor industrial practice, this whole mess of misnomer-capitalism will work itself out. As long as socialist solutions are adopted, the mess only gets worse – not because socialists are evil, but because the solutions they propose always backfire without a barrier between govt and private interest. Decentralization of power – corporate and governmental – is the only way to protect the rights of world citizens.

        (pragmatic libertarian views)

      • Bob Greenyer

        You are unfortunately correct.

      • LarryJ

        Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.

    • Slad

      Best to incorporate in Ireland or Luxembourg for tax purposes 😉

      • спаситель русских

        Luxembourg -better I have relatives there

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Bob: Congratulations on your videos. I especially like this line when you were talking to the university obstructionists, “This can’t be stopped….this will happen.” Or, get on board to find out what is happening with LENR or find yourself out in the cold in a year. Keep the videos coming they are a perfect way to communicate to citizen LENR experimenters. And, you are good at it.

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thats very flattering, thank you.

  • GreenWin

    A few of the shareholders:

    Thomas R. Sloan – Chairman, Bank North Carolina
    Atwood Partners – Real Estate Management, Mableton GA
    Hamilton Group, LLC – Realty auctioneers, Clinton CT
    Deep River Ventures, LLC – commercial real estate, Greensboro NC
    Griffin Family Holdings – a Los Angeles, California based, privately held investment firm that specializes in leveraged buyouts, management buyouts, growth equity and recapitalizations.
    JPIH Holdings, LLC – Foreign LL, Joseph D. Pike Agent, Naples, FL
    Atwood IH, LLC – John Mazzarino is founder and Managing Principal of Cherokee Fund, Raleigh NC

  • GreenWin

    A few of the shareholders:

    Thomas R. Sloan – Chairman, Bank North Carolina
    Atwood Partners – Real Estate Management, Mableton GA
    Hamilton Group, LLC – Realty auctioneers, Clinton CT
    Deep River Ventures, LLC – commercial real estate, Greensboro NC
    Griffin Family Holdings – a Los Angeles, California based, privately held investment firm that specializes in leveraged buyouts, management buyouts, growth equity and recapitalizations.
    JPIH Holdings, LLC – Foreign LL, Joseph D. Pike Agent, Naples, FL
    Atwood IH, LLC – John Mazzarino is founder and Managing Principal of Cherokee Fund, Raleigh NC

  • If there’s one country in the Western world where there is a coming ‘energy vacuum’, it is the UK. Thanks to the agenda driven and technically illiterate ‘energy policies’ of Cameron and Osborne (two crooks pretending to be PM and chancellor, respectively) we are in the process of closing down coal, gas AND the renewables generating industries and putting all hopes in new nukes, which project has turned into a predictable crock of s*** despite vast subsidies.

    If a cold fusion plant opens here within a year or so, the aforementioned politicians may be forced to grab it with both hands in order to ‘keep the lights on’, but mainly to save themselves from their own stupidity.

    • Slad

      “we are in the process of closing down … gas AND the renewables generating industries.”

      Are you sure about this?

    • Well, they are right that we need nuclear energy, but what kind of nuclear energy? Obviously, the nuclear energy scheme that uses nickel and lithium will be cheaper, safer, and more politically acceptable than the kind that uses uranium and plutonium. The Canadians ( http://terrestrialenergy.com/ ) are doing very good work on walk-away-safe molten salt fission reactors, but their system still uses uranium, which is a terrorist threat even if you get the costs down to 3 cents per kilowatt hour or even less. Radioactivity has problems, so simplified hot fusion and LENR are obviously the top choices, and molten salt fission nuclear energy is a distant last resort choice if the other choices don’t pan out. Building more old fashioned light water fission nuclear reactors at this point in history seems inappropriate, but not as inappropriate as drilling the human food supply for energy as in the biofuel scam. We need all this to be carefully explained to American and British voters, and that is why Tom Darden needs to put on a big show when the E-Cat test report is in.

      • GreenWin

        Much as many would like “a big show” – I’m not so sure we’re going to get it from Mr. Darden. There will be a press release – which the media will ignore as instructed. Besides, the media is busy trying to force their candidate Marco Rubio to be the Republican nominee. The going is hard against Mr. Trump.

    • Chris the 2nd

      I have to respectfully disagree, Osborne and Cameron have major faults but when it comes to energy policy they’ve been trying to get multiple conventional nuclear plants off the ground since they got in power. The combined forces of the ill concieved climate change act, which emboldened EDF to ask for apiece of the renewable subsidy pie and the fact the West has completely forgotten how to build these things, along with EDF effectively bankrupting themselves over the latest design means it is likely not going to happen.

      Which takes us to our looming energy crisis. The UK more than any advanced economy needs a miracle or the lights will quite literally start going out in the next 15 years. The UK is a perfect storm of what happens when political operators over rule the experts.

      We really need the ecat to be real if we are going to fix this without burning a whole lot of fossil fuels.

      • Roberto Siquieros

        Their contingency plan is fracking !

      • jimbo92107

        Been looking at LENR versus Thorium for several months now. If LENR doesn’t pan out for some reason, countries could be buying LFTR reactors from China or India within the next five years. Molten salt thorium reactors would at least provide grid power for a few thousand years.

        Interestingly, both technologies fit in shipping containers.

  • Herb Gillis

    Is it possible for anyone to buy stock in this company? If so, on what exchange? What is the ticker symbol?

    • Slad

      its a LTD not a PLC, so not on an exchange (…yet?)

    • GreenWin

      If you are a UK citizen, you can invest in Woodford. Symbol: WPCT.

      • Brent Buckner

        WPCT trades on the LSE; I am unaware of any citizenship requirements for purchse.
        http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/summary/company-summary/GB00BVG1CF25GBGBXSTMM.html
        [I am not a lawyer. This is not a solicitation, nor advice to engage in any transaction.]

        • GreenWin

          It is new and not traded on U.S. exchanges, ADRs or ETFs. Many traders will not accept foreign orders without a global account. Making it easier for EU, UK investors. But then, I’m not an investment professional either. 🙂

          • Mats002

            I could do it from Sweden through a large broker that operates here in Sweden.

        • LarryJ

          I took a position through an American broker Interactive Brokers. No problem, I executed the trade myself from their trading app but I am Canadian not American.

      • Edac

        Only 1.72% of WPCT is in Industrial Heat.
        see, https://woodfordfunds.com/focus-on-long-term/

        • investorman
          • GBP is lower (corrected) now, and fund changed value too…
            I’ve computed their investment is 4Mn$ bigger today, but the log of IH securities show no investment since the initia 50Mn$

        • Omega Z

          If LENR comes to market, the 1.72% could equal 90% of the funds ROI.

          • LarryJ

            Just splitting hairs here but the actual figure according to Woodford as of Jan 31 2016 is 26% higher than 1.72% and is in fact 2.17%

      • LarryJ

        Anyone can buy WPCT. It trades on the LSE and is priced in pound sterling. Current price around 90P. A 0.5% stamp tax applies to all stock bought on the LSE. The yahoo symbol is WPCT.L

  • If there’s one country in the Western world where there is a coming ‘energy vacuum’, it is the UK. Thanks to the agenda driven and technically illiterate ‘energy policies’ of Cameron and Osborne (two crooks pretending to be PM and chancellor, respectively) we are in the process of closing down coal, gas AND the renewables generating industries and putting all hopes in new nukes – a project which has duly turned into a predictable crock of s*** despite all the vast subsidies and hidden deals.

    If a cold fusion plant opens here within a year or so, the aforementioned politicians may be forced to grab the tech. with both hands in order to ‘keep the lights on’, but mainly to save themselves from their own stupidity.

    • Slad

      “we are in the process of closing down … gas AND the renewables generating industries.”

      Are you sure about this?

    • Well, they are right that we need nuclear energy, but what kind of nuclear energy? Obviously, the nuclear energy scheme that uses nickel and lithium will be cheaper, safer, and more politically acceptable than the kind that uses uranium and plutonium. The Canadians ( http://terrestrialenergy.com/ ) are doing very good work on walk-away-safe molten salt fission reactors, but their system still uses uranium, which is a terrorist threat even if you get the costs down to 3 cents per kilowatt hour or even less. Radioactivity has problems, so simplified hot fusion and LENR are obviously the top choices, and molten salt fission nuclear energy is a distant last resort choice if the other choices don’t pan out. Building more old fashioned light water fission nuclear reactors at this point in history seems inappropriate, but not as inappropriate as drilling the human food supply for energy as in the biofuel scam. We need all this to be carefully explained to American and British voters, and that is why Tom Darden needs to put on a big show when the E-Cat test report is in.

      • GreenWin

        Much as many would like “a big show” – I’m not so sure we’re going to get it from Mr. Darden. There will be a press release – which the media will ignore as instructed. Besides, the media is busy trying to force their candidate Marco Rubio to be the Republican nominee. The going is hard against Mr. Trump.

      • Zack Iszard

        Let’s not forget thorium molten salt systems, which aren’t receiving much attention for some reason. You could hardly make a decently destructive dirty bomb with thorium, much less a true warhead, plus it’s cheaper to process, easier to control, produces far less waste, and is more energy dense than anything coming from typical yellow cake. Why this tech receives no fanfare I’m afraid history will never understand.

        That said, LENR is clearly the future, and any sort of fission will always have a waste problem, even if it’s small in comparison to the antiquated and problem-ridden light water uranium systems.

        • The Canadian company, Terrestrial Energy ( http://terrestrialenergy.com/ ), is promoting adding thorium to the molten salt mixture at a later date with all the benefits of that system, such as almost zero long lived radioactive waste and active fuel breeding capability. But Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors must start the nuclear reaction with uranium or plutonium as seed, which is a great way to get rid of old nuclear warheads, but the LFTR core is always highly radioactive. The thorium is transformed into a very radioactive isotope of uranium which can be made into a bomb that goes boom or a potent dirty bomb. We do not want countries like Somalia to have LFTRs. We need an energy technology that can be used everywhere on Earth, such as LENR and simplified hot fusion technology. That said, we should encourage LFTR development as a backup system. Note that I said “encourage”, not mandate or publicly finance. I pray that LENR will make any need for fission nuclear power disappear into thin air. We are not at that point of absolute certainty yet.

          • jimbo92107

            Wait a minute. Thorium bombarded by neutrons becomes a couple short-lived elements that finally decay to U233, which is what produces heat. U233 is completely impractical for making bombs because it’s way too radioactive to handle, fries electronics, and its half life makes it suck for storage. Wanna make a dirty bomb? Use the seed material, not U233. If you already have Plutonium or U238, you don’t need or want thorium or U233.

            Besides, if you analyze what causes terrorism, it always comes down to economic deprivation. Give people enough cheap and abundant energy, you eliminate the root causes of your wars over oil and water.

          • The USA tested an atomic bomb made with U233. While the test results are still secret, it is widely believed that the bomb did go *boom* in a big way. The biggest financial backers of terrorism are Saudi Arabians, who are very wealthy. Poverty has little to do with Islamic terrorism. It’s all about the fantasy of their faith. They pray in a different way than Christians do, and they pray for different things.

          • jimbo92107

            I didn’t say it was impossible, but thorium is not a practical way to make bomb grade material. Oh, and the TEAPOT test used plutonium to go boom. What evidence was there that 233U enhanced the boom?

    • Chris the 2nd

      I have to respectfully disagree, Osborne and Cameron have major faults but when it comes to energy policy they’ve been trying to get multiple conventional nuclear plants off the ground since they got in power. The combined forces of the ill concieved climate change act, which emboldened EDF to ask for apiece of the renewable subsidy pie and the fact the West has completely forgotten how to build these things, along with EDF effectively bankrupting themselves over the latest design means it is likely not going to happen.

      Which takes us to our looming energy crisis. The UK more than any advanced economy needs a miracle or the lights will quite literally start going out in the next 15 years. The UK is a perfect storm of what happens when political operators over rule the experts.

      We really need the ecat to be real if we are going to fix this without burning a whole lot of fossil fuels.

      • Roberto Siquieros

        Their contingency plan is fracking !

      • jimbo92107

        Been looking at LENR versus Thorium for several months now. If LENR doesn’t pan out for some reason, countries could be buying LFTR reactors from China or India within the next five years. Molten salt thorium reactors would at least provide grid power for a few thousand years.

        Interestingly, both technologies fit in shipping containers.

  • SG

    Having Brad Pitt in LENR’s corner is too good to be true–more so than LENR itself!

    • US_Citizen71

      A video of him reading ‘positive’ results from the one year test would garner major attention. Too much to hope for.

      • jimbo92107

        I’d rather see Neil DeGrasse Tyson nodding over the report, saying, “This sure looks real to me.”

        • GreenWin

          Tyson is an astronomer deeply embedded in consensus science. Bill Nye is even deeper. Science guys will be last to wake up. Industrialists, entrepreneurs (e.g. Carl Page, Darden) and respected investors will spark this tech up.

          • jimbo92107

            I agree that the financial backers will get the ball rolling. However, wide public acceptance of this new technology won’t really hit its stride until a public science representative like Tyson or Nye announce that it’s real. Until then, you probably won’t see any politicians talk about it, for fear of losing public credibility.

            Around March 16th, things may change quite a bit.

          • The Canadian company, Terrestrial Energy ( http://terrestrialenergy.com/ ), is promoting adding thorium to the molten salt mixture at a later date with all the benefits of that system, such as almost zero long lived radioactive waste and active fuel breeding capability. But Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors must start the nuclear reaction with uranium or plutonium as seed, which is a great way to get rid of old nuclear warheads, but the LFTR core is always highly radioactive. The thorium is transformed into a very radioactive isotope of uranium which can be made into a bomb that goes boom or a potent dirty bomb. We do not want countries like Somalia to have LFTRs. We need an energy technology that can be used everywhere on Earth, such as LENR and simplified hot fusion technology. That said, we should encourage LFTR development as a backup system. Note that I said “encourage”, not mandate or publicly finance. I pray that LENR will make any need for fission nuclear power disappear into thin air. We are not at that point of absolute certainty yet.

          • jimbo92107

            Wait a minute. Thorium bombarded by neutrons becomes a couple short-lived elements that finally decay to U233, which is what produces heat. U233 is completely impractical for making bombs because it’s way too radioactive to handle, fries electronics, and its half life makes it suck for storage. Wanna make a dirty bomb? Use the seed material, not U233. If you already have Plutonium or U238, you don’t need or want thorium or U233.

            Besides, if you analyze what causes terrorism, it always comes down to economic deprivation. Give people enough cheap and abundant energy, you eliminate the root causes of your wars over oil and water.

          • The USA tested an atomic bomb made with U233. While the test results are still secret, it is widely believed that the bomb did go *boom* in a big way. The biggest financial backers of terrorism are Saudi Arabians, who are very wealthy. Poverty has little to do with Islamic terrorism. It’s all about the fantasy of their faith. They pray in a different way than Christians do, and they pray for different things.

          • jimbo92107

            I didn’t say it was impossible, but thorium is not a practical way to make bomb grade material. Oh, and the TEAPOT test used plutonium to go boom. What evidence was there that 233U enhanced the boom?

          • LarryJ

            They already have all the wide public acceptance they need as evidenced by the volume of pre-orders. Once the initial wave of products hit the markets the rest of the world will quickly come to terms with it or face the consequences which will be a wallet lighter than it needs be.

          • jimbo92107

            Agreed. When the Big Report comes out around March 16th, a lot of underground supporters of this effort may suddenly surface and say, “I knew it all along!”

      • Michael W Wolf

        Hey, it’s been more than 10 days! Where’s our cover sheet?! lol

        • US_Citizen71

          Mr. Pitt is on his 45th take of his informal YouTube video. ; )

          /snark

      • LarryJ

        and it would serve no useful purpose. The only people interested in reading those results are already reading this site. Whether I hear it via Rossi, Frank Ackland or Brad Pitt will make no difference to me.

    • georgehants

      Who is Brad Pitt some kind of coal miner?

      • US_Citizen71

        LOL, you’re joking right?

        http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000093/

        • psi2u2

          Na, George never jokes. 😉

      • GreenWin

        Afternoon George, You’re prolly thinkin’ ‘coal miner’s daughter’ – that’s Loretta Lynn (played by Sissy Spacek.) You might like her music!

        • georgehants

          Good day GreenWin, ha, only my silly joke, but must admit I do not watch many films produced after 2001, a space Odyssey

          • GreenWin

            At times I imagine the HAL9000 lives next door. “Open the pod doors HAL.”

          • Gerrit

            Well, you haven’t missed much.

    • GreenWin

      Mr. Pitt’s latest film THE BIG SHORT focusing on the housing market collapse – was nominated for Best Picture Academy Award. And he is a forthright sustainable cities advocate. All good stuff.

    • Omega Z

      I’m not surprised about Brad Pitt.

      I mentioned Tom Dardens son being a part of Pitt’s New Orleans project some time ago. In fact it would have surprised me only had Pitt not been in the mix.

  • Well, obviously this is another indication that the year long E-Cat test was a success. I continue to hope that Tom Darden will set up a BIG LEAGUE press conference so that this news can influence the presidential debates. If we can get endless, reliable, 24-7-365 clean energy at a low price from LENR, then why do we need to spend billions and billions on costly energy schemes that don’t work?

    • GreenWin

      Now Chris. We’ve only spent $250B tax dollars on hot fusion boondoggles employing hundreds of very smart scientists. Why would we want to halt a train hauling so much gravy? /sarc

      • Dods

        Is that the global spend because I thought it was more than that?

        • GreenWin

          May be. This estimate includes global investment military and civilian in above ground and black markets. Since end of WW II.

      • Biofuels, solar, wind, big laser hot fusion are all corrupt gravy trains at this point in time. We have to stop them because they are costing us all lots of money and creating massive economic inefficiencies. You cannot do something positive if you have a defeatist attitude. We need think and act positively.

      • jimbo92107

        When the Big Report comes out, we may discover that the general public feels the same level of loyalty to Big Energy that they feel for their cable and phone companies.

        If nothing else, the writing on the wall will be very large, and in all caps. THE END IS NIGH FOR BIG OIL.

        • and we will have to thanks them for losing.

          Like Kodak have invented digital camera, Shell, Amoco, Elforsk, EPRI, Statoil (beside Toyota, MHI, Nissan, US navy, who will win) will have digged their tomb with great honesty and scientific ethic.

          a symptom of our time

    • LarryJ

      Because until there are products there are no viable alternatives. You can’t power anything with an ERV report. I personally think the products will come quickly after the ERV report is published but there are others who think it will take years. Rossi’s goal is to have one ecat-x reactor in operation this year and there are many here who believe the materials issues alone at such high temperatures will require years of testing and research. I think they are wrong but who knows. At this point it is still anyone’s guess as to when a viable alternative is more than just vaporware and until then the world will keep turning and conventional power solutions will be proposed and implemented.

      • That is why I suggested to Mr. Rossi that he develop a 250 kilowatt steel enclosed E-Cat X that produces both electricity directly and heat to run a turbine, and to keep the maximum operating temperature at 650 degree C. He said it was theoretically possible, but that is all he said. I think he can use direct electricity production as a moderating control force that will increase stability and reliability enormously. We know that steel structures can sustain 650 degree temperatures for decades with reliability, and that temperature is high enough to run any heat engine to make electricity at high efficiency.

  • SG

    Having Brad Pitt in LENR’s corner is too good to be true–more so than LENR itself!

    • US_Citizen71

      A video of him reading ‘positive’ results from the one year test would garner major attention. Too much to hope for.

      • jimbo92107

        I’d rather see Neil DeGrasse Tyson nodding over the report, saying, “This sure looks real to me.”

        • GreenWin

          Tyson is an astronomer deeply embedded in consensus science. Bill Nye is even deeper. Science guys will be last to wake up. Industrialists, entrepreneurs (e.g. Carl Page, Darden) and respected investors will spark this tech up.

          • jimbo92107

            I agree that the financial backers will get the ball rolling. However, wide public acceptance of this new technology won’t really hit its stride until a public science representative like Tyson or Nye announce that it’s real. Until then, you probably won’t see any politicians talk about it, for fear of losing public credibility.

            Around March 16th, things may change quite a bit.

          • bachcole

            You mean when we all celebrate my son’s birthday?

          • LarryJ

            They already have all the wide public acceptance they need as evidenced by the volume of pre-orders. Once the initial wave of products hit the markets the rest of the world will quickly come to terms with it or face the consequences which will be a wallet lighter than it needs be.

          • jimbo92107

            Agreed. When the Big Report comes out around March 16th, a lot of underground supporters of this effort may suddenly surface and say, “I knew it all along!”

      • Michael W Wolf

        Hey, it’s been more than 10 days! Where’s our cover sheet?! lol

        • US_Citizen71

          Mr. Pitt is on his 45th take of his informal YouTube video. ; )

          /snark

      • LarryJ

        and it would serve no useful purpose. The only people interested in reading those results are already reading this site. Whether I hear it via Rossi, Frank Ackland or Brad Pitt will make no difference to me.

    • georgehants

      Who is Brad Pitt some kind of coal miner?

      • US_Citizen71

        LOL, you’re joking right?

        http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000093/

        • psi2u2

          Na, George never jokes. 😉

      • GreenWin

        Afternoon George, You’re prolly thinkin’ ‘coal miner’s daughter’ – that’s Loretta Lynn (played by Sissy Spacek.) You might like her music!

        • georgehants

          Good day GreenWin, ha, only my silly joke, but must admit I do not watch many films produced after 2001, a space Odyssey

          • GreenWin

            At times I imagine the HAL9000 lives next door. “Open the pod doors HAL.”

          • Gerrit

            Well, you haven’t missed much.

    • GreenWin

      Mr. Pitt’s latest film THE BIG SHORT focusing on the housing market collapse – was nominated for Best Picture Academy Award. And he is a forthright sustainable cities advocate. All good stuff.

    • bachcole

      You’re kidding, aren’t you. The stage of acceptance that we are at, Brad Pitt lends zero credibility points to LENR. Perhaps later, when the air-heads start worrying about whether it is true or not, but not now.

      • wonderboy

        While it shouldn’t lend any credibility points, if Kanye and a couple of reality stars backed this, than we would wake up to a different world!

        Alas this is what the world has come to 🙁

        • Omega Z

          “reality stars” are to wrapped up in themselves to be aware of this.
          The only way to get their attention is if you named it after them.

          • wonderboy

            Kanya Cat-X!

          • Omega Z

            Aww yes, Kanye is the reason Rossi is Famous. he he he

          • rocky172534

            yea,the k-cat ,thats the ticket

        • LarryJ

          We will wake up to a different world when there are products on the market and not before.

      • psi2u2

        It is coming now at an accelerated pace it seems.

      • LarryJ

        It is quite possible that although Brad Pitt`s financial trust advisers know that he is invested in the ecat that Brad Pitt himself has no idea. I would imagine his focus is more on his real business which is Hollywood than on any specific investment his trust might make on his behalf.

        What is encouraging is that there is clearly some big money being lined up to enable this technology.

        • bachcole

          I prefer the theory based upon the datapoint that Brad Pitt is a friend of Darden’s son and has “worked” with him on other charity projects. Although I understand what you are saying; it is highly like that this may be the only investment of Pitt’s that he knows anything about.

    • Omega Z

      I’m not surprised about Brad Pitt.

      I mentioned Tom Dardens son being a part of Pitt’s New Orleans project some time ago. In fact it would have surprised me only had Pitt not been in the mix.

  • EEStorFanFibb

    this is my kind of thread

  • this is my kind of thread

  • Martin Lawrence

    Hi All

    Ih International holdings parent company is Hamilton Group
    But Tom Darden also owns
    IPHBV HOLDINGS LTD which incedently has a parent company of INDUSTRIAL HEAT LLC !!

    The registered offices of both Ih International holdings & IPHBV HOLDINGS LTD is

    1 FINSBURY CIRCUS, LONDON, EC2M 7SH

    Another company based at this address (amoungst many so possibly no connection but interesting noe the less is http://www.dearman.co.uk/ A company specialising is cold refrigeration and also power, they actually have an engine driven by liquid nitrogen (possibly could be adapted to incorporate an e-cat x instead of nitrogen somehow?) but interestingly openly state the following on their website

    “Dearman is investing heavily in the development of future technologies and applications that can deliver both environmental and economic benefits”

    I could be clutching at straws here sorry 🙂

  • Matt Smart

    I guess that this is somehow linked with the ‘significant investment’ that was made in IH by the very rich investment company based here in the UK, I cannot remember its name though, sorry. Someone on here will remember it…

    Edit: was it Woodford Investment Management LLP?

    • LarryJ

      Woodford invested around 50 million US which they split between their very large investment grade fund and their much smaller 1 billion US dollar equivalent speculative fund Woodford Patient Capital Trust which trades on the LSE and has the Yahoo symbol WPCT.L

    • Brokeeper

      Acquiring stock from abroad is nearly impossible for single
      investers. There has to be an ADR (American depository receipt) sponsered by a US bank because of its complexities to acquire from foreign corporations in bulk lots. It’s regemented to protect from money laudering and other illegal movements.

      • Brent Buckner

        I believe that a U.S. single investor could open an account with Interactive Brokers (minimum account size: $3,000USD if age 25 or less, $10,000USD otherwise) and trade stocks listed on the London Stock Exchange (amongst others).

        • LarryJ

          That worked for me. No problem at all. I am not an American but IB is an American broker so I am sure it is just as easy for them. I traded the LSE through IB for quite some time. Stamp tax (0.5% on purchases) is a pain though.

    • Anthony Richards

      I think it’s Woodford Patient Capital Trust

  • not attwood advisers but hargett advisers

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Alain — I’ve corrected that.

      • Veblin

        Hady Hartanto

        • Frank Acland

          thanks!

  • not attwood advisers but hargett advisers

    • Frank Acland

      Thanks Alain — I’ve corrected that.

      • Veblin

        Hady Hartanto

        • Frank Acland

          thanks!

  • Curbina

    This is only good news, AFAI can understand.

  • Alas, MaryYugo’s crusade to save Brad Pitt from being swindled have failed and we are now likely to face a stream of Nicholas-Cage level awful movies as Mr. Pitt does what he must to dig out of bankruptcy.

    On the bright side, the scene where Brad Pitt, playing himself, first meets Rossi (played by Roberto Benigni) is sure to be movie magic.

    • GreenWin

      Wasn’t there an Academy nomination – A FUNERAL FOR MARY? Best Shortsighted Live Animation… or sumthin?

      • Brokeeper

        It’s called “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button” where MY reverses into oblivion.

    • Buck
    • Omega Z

      As suggest by David Nygren on JONP-

      Wild Speculation!
      Andrea Rossi is played by Brad Pitt in a new move from Hollywood!

  • Alas, MaryYugo’s crusade to save Brad Pitt from being swindled has failed and we are now likely to face a stream of Nicholas-Cage-level awful movies as Mr. Pitt does what he must to dig out of bankruptcy.

    On the bright side, the scene where Brad Pitt, playing himself, first meets Rossi (played by Roberto Benigni) is sure to be movie magic.

    • GreenWin

      Wasn’t there an Academy nomination – A FUNERAL FOR MARY? Best Shortsighted Live Animation… or sumthin?

      • Brokeeper

        It’s called “The Curious Case of Benjamin Button” where MY reverses into oblivion.

    • Buck

      A SCENE FROM THE MOVIE:

      Rossi stood with a bit of joy and shock when he realized what his quark could do!

      http://d1oi7t5trwfj5d.cloudfront.net/23/ad8a50bba111e19f68123138165f92/file/benigni.jpg

    • Omega Z

      As suggest by David Nygren on JONP-

      Wild Speculation!
      Andrea Rossi is played by Brad Pitt in a new move from Hollywood!

  • LarryJ

    Woodford invested around 50 million US which they split between their very large investment grade fund and their much smaller 1 billion US dollar equivalent speculative fund Woodford Patient Capital Trust which trades on the LSE and has the Yahoo symbol WPCT.L

  • Stephen Taylor

    Interesting to see Ampenergo listed. They were the early licensee for American territory back in 2011. They have ties to DOE, DOD iirc. That they are still involved must be a good thing. Someday we will know the entire twisted tale.

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    The E-Cat finally explained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw

    • psi2u2

      This is based at least in part on Hamlet’s “to be or not to be” speech.

      edit after getting to the end: absolutely fucking hilarious. A classic of performance satire.

    • rocky172534

      thank you iggy .the prof couldn’t have made it any clearer.i totally understand it now!

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    The E-Cat finally explained.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw

    • bachcole

      I am pretty sure that that is how I sounded today to some people while I was trying to explain to them the gi-freaking-normously important thing that just happened. (:->)

      • Observer

        I know the feeling.

        • Observer

          Not to be confused with me.
          (I post as a guest and thus I am the Observer in grey font.)

          • Observer

            Why did you feel you had to make that distinction? Just curious.

          • psi2u2

            Fascinating.

          • Observer

            Continuity.

          • jimbo92107

            The Grey Observer. Do you have a spandex costume?

          • Observer

            I had a spiderman Halloween costume, back when I was not so grey (the black and white, not the red and blue).

      • jimbo92107

        Been trying to explain LENR to my buddy the cabbie. Marbles rattling around in layers of chicken wire. Sometimes they swap places, give off sparks… eh.

    • psi2u2

      This is based at least in part on Hamlet’s “to be or not to be” speech.

      edit after getting to the end: absolutely fucking hilarious. A classic of performance satire.

    • rocky172534

      thank you iggy .the prof couldn’t have made it any clearer.i totally understand it now!

  • Brokeeper

    Acquiring stock from abroad is nearly impossible for single
    investers. There has to be an ADR (American depository receipt) sponsered by a US bank because of its complexities to acquire from foreign corporations in bulk lots. It’s regemented to protect from money laudering and other illegal movements.

    • Brent Buckner

      I believe that a U.S. single investor could open an account with Interactive Brokers (minimum account size: $3,000USD if age 25 or less, $10,000USD otherwise) and trade stocks listed on the London Stock Exchange (amongst others).

      • LarryJ

        That worked for me. No problem at all. I am not an American but IB is an American broker so I am sure it is just as easy for them. I traded the LSE through IB for quite some time. Stamp tax (0.5% on purchases) is a pain though.

  • psi2u2

    It is coming now at an accelerated pace it seems.

  • Observer

    I know the feeling.

    • Observer

      Not to be confused with me.
      (I post as a guest and thus I am the Observer in grey font.)

      • jimbo92107

        The Grey Observer. Do you have a spandex costume?

        • Observer

          I had a spiderman Halloween costume, back when I was not so grey (the black and white, not the red and blue).

  • Alan DeAngelis
  • psi2u2

    Fascinating.

  • Omega Z

    “reality stars” are to wrapped up in themselves to be aware of this.
    The only way to get their attention is if you named it after them.

  • Omega Z

    If LENR comes to market, the 1.72% could equal 90% of the funds ROI.

    • LarryJ

      Just splitting hairs here but the actual figure according to Woodford as of Jan 31 2016 is 26% higher than 1.72% and is in fact 2.17%

  • hempenearth

    Could we dare MIT to replicate what MFMP have done?

    • Mats002

      Any thread will do, we are still the same 14 people here 😉

      • Robyn Wyrick

        That’s funny – but seriously, there are lots of us lurkers here. 🙂

      • Observer

        Continuity.

      • Andrew

        lurk

  • hempenearth

    Could we dare MIT to replicate what MFMP have done?
    Edit: Sorry, wrong thread

    • Mats002

      Any thread will do, we are still the same 14 people here 😉

      • bachcole

        15

      • Robyn Wyrick

        That’s funny – but seriously, there are lots of us lurkers here. 🙂

      • Charlie tapp

        Don’t forget about me 15

      • Andrew

        lurk

  • greggoble

    This is what I see as the first bit of rocket juice, this ‘ship of fools’ is taking off with a storm. Realize that watch in awe is better than shock and all, we can inspire each other in goodness and well-being, true blessings. Imagine and manifest how we can (with this amazing technology) each serve all of each other and all life in our troubled planetary ecosphere? Returning to the garden.

    • psi2u2

      hallelujah.

  • greggoble

    This is what I see as the first bit of rocket juice, this ‘ship of fools’ is taking off with a storm. Realize that watch in awe is better than shock and awe, we can inspire each other in goodness and well-being, the true blessings. Imagine and manifest how we can (with this amazing technology) each serve all of each other and all life in our troubled planetary ecosphere. A returning/restoring the garden, so we speak.

    • psi2u2

      hallelujah.

  • LarryJ

    It is quite possible that although Brad Pitt`s financial trust advisers know that he is invested in the ecat that Brad Pitt himself has no idea. I would imagine his focus is more on his real business which is Hollywood than on any specific investment his trust might make on his behalf.

    What is encouraging is that there is clearly some big money being lined up to enable this technology.

  • LarryJ

    We will wake up to a different world when there are products on the market and not before.

  • Sounds like a plan unfolding. Wouldn’t be happening if things went f9.

  • Sounds like a plan unfolding. Wouldn’t be happening if things went f9.

  • bachcole

    The list has twenty groups or individuals.

    Nine are LLCs. One is an Ltd, and how that is different from an LLC I don’t know. One “company” and one “inc”,

    Four private individuals.

    Three “living” trusts and one regular ol’ trust.

    I hope that some Brits will sort those and recategorize them based one what they actually mean.

    • Frank Acland

      I think Ltd. is the UK version of LLC

      • clovis ray

        Frank, i have a photo of brad Pitt and Dardens son, i think it is, i will try and put it up, having PC trouble, it’s all clogged up i am afraid, but you should have the same photo, awhile back we had a piece about them running around together.

      • Similar but not the same. The term is used in most of the English speaking countries but the exact meaning in terms of liabilities, tax status etc varies from place to place. For once Wikipedia is useful:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_company

    • Brent Buckner

      I don’t think that such categorizing of the above individuals and organizations will do much for understanding implications for IH/Leonardo/Rossi/E-cats.

      For example, respective of those implications, it makes little difference whether the organization is taxed as a separate entity (e.g. an incorporated company – Inc.) or passes through profits and losses to individual owner’s for their individual tax returns (e.g. an LLC). (c.f. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Inc._vs_LLC ).

      • bachcole

        It will make a big difference for my uneducated (with regard to English business law and with regard to the E-Cat) friends to whom I am introducing the E-Cat. Knowing what an English trust or living trust is could lend or detract credibility.

        • Brent Buckner

          Thank you for that perspective. The post doesn’t state the domiciles of those organizations… for all I know, the LLCs, Inc.s, Ltd.s, trusts, and living trusts could be organized under the laws of any counties, so the (business) Laws of England and Wales may or may not apply.

  • Frank Acland

    I think Ltd. is the UK version of LLC

    • clovis ray

      Frank, i have a photo of brad Pitt and Dardens son, i think it is, i will try and put it up, having PC trouble, it’s all clogged up i am afraid, but you should have the same photo, awhile back we had a piece about them running around together.

    • Similar but not the same. The term is used in most of the English speaking countries but the exact meaning in terms of liabilities, tax status etc varies from place to place. For once Wikipedia is useful:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_company

  • Brent Buckner

    I don’t think that such categorizing of the above individuals and organizations will do much for understanding implications for IH/Leonardo/Rossi/E-cats.

    For example, respective of those implications, it makes little difference whether the organization is taxed as a separate entity (e.g. an incorporated company – Inc.) or passes through profits and losses to individual owner’s for their individual tax returns (e.g. an LLC). (c.f. http://www.diffen.com/difference/Inc._vs_LLC ).

  • D.Grub

    BTW: Has anybody seen the expected Executive Summary, which all those investors seem to know??

    • Guest

      Investors do not know the results yet. Keep in mind that while these documents are just now being discovered by this community, the dates indicate they are from last spring so all investments were made either prior to the start of the test, or at best during first months at which point in time they would have still been speculative in nature.

      • jimbo92107

        Been trying to explain LENR to my buddy the cabbie. Marbles rattling around in layers of chicken wire. Sometimes they swap places, give off sparks… eh.

  • Anthony Richards

    I think it’s Woodford Patient Capital Trust

  • Brent Buckner

    Thank you for that perspective. The post doesn’t state the domiciles of those organizations… for all I know, the LLCs, Inc.s, Ltd.s, trusts, and living trusts could be organized under the laws of any counties, so the (business) Laws of England and Wales may or may not apply.

  • Omega Z

    Aww yes, Kanye is the reason Rossi is Famous. he he he

    • rocky172534

      yea,the k-cat ,thats the ticket

  • artefact

    New: F8 -> “I will give further data related to the E-Cat quarkX after the completion of the preliminar R&D on course”

  • artefact

    New: F8 -> “I will give further data related to the E-Cat quarkX after the completion of the preliminar R&D on course”

  • clovis ray

    Hi,Frank, I finally captured this photo, that was posted with some connection to brad i thought that they said that the other dude was darden the II, son of tom. a way back when, can you find it.
    I would love to re read those comments, google say’s it pitts look alike brother.

    • Guest

      Frank, not sure why my initial comment didn’t make it through moderation…

      First off, that photo is definitively not Darden’s son. Second, for all the paranoia about danger to Rossi et al from big money interests, posts that seek to put out an image of one of the key figure’s sons should probably be avoided.

      Similarly – publicizing the private/personal investment vehicles of those that have put their resources behind bringing LENR technology to market is also potentially harmful.

      Publicizing the Woodford connection is one thing – it is a public investment entity that many on this board could choose to put their money into. However, the private trusts are different. These are the very LENR supporters that followers should seek to protect, yet commenters are blasting their names across the internet, along with links that reveal addresses.

      This is a public plea to be more careful, weigh your contribution to the conversation against the potential worst-case ramifications.

  • Hi all

    Where the location of a company or one of its parents or subsidiaries is based in does not necessarily represent its country of operation. Many major US companies have a main office registered in the same office eg.
    http://www.madamasr.com/sections/economy/largest-office-buildings-world-you-probably-never-heard
    There are others in Delaware, Guernsey, The Bahamas, The Isle of Man, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg etc…

    Kind Regards walker

  • Hi all

    Where the location of a company or one of its parents or subsidiaries is based in does not necessarily represent its country of operation. Many major US companies have a main office registered in the same offshore office eg.
    http://www.madamasr.com/sections/economy/largest-office-buildings-world-you-probably-never-heard.

    There are many other such places in: Delaware, Guernsey, The Bahamas, The Isle of Man, Lichtenstein, Luxembourg etc… Companies do this for tax reasons and to keep strategic assets secret from competitors, as reporting requirements often differ.

    Kind Regards walker

  • clovis ray

    HI, Guys.
    To me this statement speaks volumes ,(Leonardo Corporation remains the owner of ALL the E- Cat related intellectual property), well well, i’m so grad to hear this, honestly he alone is capable of handling this very important IP. he is well capable, after all it his baby, who better to know how to administer it to the masses. if it were in other hands, i would worry.

    • It’s interesting that ‘Rossi’s’ reply following the initial paragraph was clearly not written by him, but has either been heavily edited (most likely IMO) or entirely composed by a native English speaker, perhaps a lawyer or top executive.

      It seems that it is important to Leonardo Inc. for some reason to make this statement of ownership of all e-cat IP in the clearest terms, and to emphasise their predominance over IH. This is sometimes referred to as ‘pi$$ing on the corners’ and might precede some commercial move by Leonardo.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Of course we have to be aware of, who controls Leonardo Corporation

  • Charles of the Bowery

    Of you drag that photo into images.google.com you’ll see that it’s Doug Pitt, brother of Brad.

    • Charles of the Bowery

      Sorry–typo–meant to say “If” you drag that photo . . .

      • It’s interesting that ‘Rossi’s’ reply was clearly not written by him, but has either been heavily edited or entirely composed by a native English speaker, probably a lawyer or top executive. It seems that it is important to Leonardo for some reason to make this statement of ownership, and to quell speculation about IH’s importance in the limited public narrative.

  • Charles of the Bowery

    Of you drag that photo into images.google.com you’ll see that it’s Doug Pitt, brother of Brad.

    • Charles of the Bowery

      Sorry–typo–meant to say “If” you drag that photo . . .

      • clovis ray

        Thanks, Charles.
        It’s a moot subject ,now, and yeh, My very last words, was suppose to point you to that bit of information

  • Bernie Koppenhofer

    Of course we have to be aware of, who controls Leonardo Corporation