New LENR Company: Lux Energy — An Industrial Heat Affiliate (Update: Site Now Hidden)

luxenergyUPDATE: The Lux Energy site is no longer publicly accessible — now it requires a password to access.

Thanks to Sam for posting a link to the website of a new company called LUX Energy Ltd. http://luxenergy.space/

Just browsing around the site brings up some interesting information. The leadership team are:

Alexander Rios — Founder and CEO
Victoria Stephens — Founder and CTO
JT Vaughn — Vice President
Sean Weaver — Senior Designer

Most of us are familiar with JT Vaughn, of course, who is one of the directors of Industrial Heat, LLC, the exclusive licensee in North and S America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates for Andrea Rossi’s E-Cat.

Some key quotes from the site:

Our Challenge: “We’re determined to help reverse the negative environmental and socio-economic impacts of unclean, unsafe, unaffordable energy.”

Our Vision: “We’re inspired by advances in LENR and ‘new paradigm’ alternatives to energy production and believe a tipping point is near.”

IP Identification: “We identify LENR technologies to license, acquire or invest in from around the world.”

The address for the company is P.O. Box 1171 Cary, North Carolina 27512 United States: this is the city next to Raleigh, NC where it was reported that Industrial Heat would be building a 20,000 square foot laboratory. The website features Tom Darden’s speech at the ICCF19 in Padua, so it all makes me think that Lux Energy is closely aligned with Industrial Heat — perhaps it is even an IH Subsidiary.

Interestingly, the site includes the text of the recent statement that Industrial Heat delivered, but begins with this paragraph:

The objective of LUX Energy, Ltd. is to make clean, safe and affordable energy available everywhere, and in doing this we want to build a company that demonstrates respect for all. LENR is a key focus of Industrial Heat and we believe multiple technologies in this sector warrant further investigation and development.

Is it possible that Lux Energy and Industrial Heat are one and the same?

  • Andreas Moraitis

    The telephone number 1.919.743.2500 from their website belongs to Cherokee:

    https://connect.data.com/company/view/mPP-WeTUTFo8Gj0YUwdMvQ/cherokee-funds

  • Gerard McEk

    Although they do not express that in their objectives and focus, ‘LUX’ seems to point to light as well. Maybe they have seen the light. 😉

    • Sanjeev

      Or competing with brilliantlight?
      I’m sure they don’t need to do that.

  • Gerard McEk

    Although they do not express that in their objectives and focus, ‘LUX’ seems to point to light as well. Maybe they have seen the light. 😉

    • Sanjeev

      Or competing with brilliantlight?
      I’m sure they don’t need to do that.

  • Frank Acland

    Under News they have a heading that reads: “Woodford Investment Management Funding Announcement” — but there’s no content.

    • Sanjeev

      Looks like they are still building the site. The statement is a copy paste, which still read IH everywhere except the first line.

      • Frank Acland

        Maybe the site was not supposed to go live yet?

        • Sanjeev

          Perhaps. Someone forgot to proof read.

          Its interesting that the domain is .space. Why space?

          • I don’t remember where I heard it, but someone told me a month ago or two, that IH planned for a media event in Q2 2016. I couldn’t confirm this info, so I didn’t pay too much attention. But now…
            From all the info below it’s clear that this is connected to IH and Cherokee.
            Also note that the url industrialheat.co (not .com) that used to point at the press release where IH stated it had acquired the license from Leonardo Corp., is no longer active. So, maybe a name change…?
            Lux refers more to light than to luxury to me, which makes me think of the E-Cat X.

          • Frank Acland

            RIght, with Rossi’s comments on the E-Cat X producing light, heat and electricity, the name Industrial Heat just doesn’t cut it any more.

          • Report by mid-April, media event within ~2 months after that. Makes perfect sense and indicates they expect positive news to announce.

            What bugs me though is they keep talking about acquiring LENR technologies… but if they know E-Cats work they already caught the golden goose. So why the emphasis on diversity? And also that stuff about embracing failure as well as success in their communication. And why all of a sudden a tug-of-war with Rossi going rogue with supposed mega-leaps in capability.

            Curiouser and curiouser.

          • psi2u2

            The emphasis on diversity makes sense if they are trying to establish an unrivaled lead in the field. They will try to license or buy up competing technologies, to make use of the knowledge base they represent as well as prevent them from competing. It makes total sense to me without any need for an assumption that the “negative results” are related in any significant way to Rossi’s IP.

          • I can see that, sure. I hope your interpretation is correct.

          • Hi all

            In reply to LENR G

            On the matter of “acquiring LENR technologies” Land grab acquire all of a market IP to exclude competitors for as long as possible.

            Kind Regards Walker

          • Yeah, could be.

          • Warthog

            They would be fools NOT to keep acquiring new LENR tech. Rossi’s initial technology barely qualifies as the equivalent of the first one-cylinder diesel prototype. Even the E-Cat X is likely to be no more than a Model-T.

          • Imagine you know from one reliable source (yourself) that at least one type of reactor (ecat) works.

            Why not buying all other companies and IPs which claim similar achievements?

            The probability that they have working technology too is very high, when their technology is similar (Ni-H).

            At the moment all these companies, like Brillouin or Lenuco, are worth “peanuts” from a financial PoV.

            But when the message is out, they will shortly become priceless.

            For IH it’s now absolutely attractive to buy as much as they can.

          • Ged

            I think one always paints with a broad brush when talking about a technology, like thus. In the electronics industry, they use the same pluralistic language even when talking about a single particular tech being aquired. Usually, this is because the plural refers to patents, which a particular tech could have many such of.

            In other words, “technologies” can mean the E-cat and all its versions and -future- versions, but still mean only Rossi’s tech.

            Edit: I am of the persuasion they are hedging for future tech others develop based on Rossi. Though could be some hidden types they know about out there too.

          • Stephen Taylor

            Hi Ged,
            I agree with you on the hedging. Might be something to do with covering patent issues as well.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            Makes sense to me, if I were IH I would want to cause all the confusion I could about who owns or controls the “real” IP.

          • Omega Z

            Diversity is a business mainstay. Don’t put all your eggs in 1 basket.

            IP owner #1 say I think we need to bump up royaties from 2% to 4%.

            The Marketer’s response is, I think we need to produce more product from IP owner #2 amd less product from IP owner #1.

          • Ged

            The phone number that was on the site, 1.919.743.2500, goes straight to Cherokee: https://connect.data.com/company/view/mPP-WeTUTFo8Gj0YUwdMvQ/cherokee-funds . The contact info looks like a kitbash of IH and Cherokee, so curious.

        • Hi all

          The Victoria Stephens photo is I think a stock image, supporting the view that the site has been discovered while it is being built. I did a few facial recognition and reverse image searches.

          Kind regards walker

    • Brent Buckner

      Woodford’s thoughts on investment opportunities for WPCT:
      http://citywire.co.uk/money/woodford-eyes-big-share-issue-for-patient-capital/a873323

  • Frank Acland

    Under News they have a heading that reads: “Woodford Investment Management Funding Announcement” — but there’s no content.

    • Sanjeev

      Looks like they are still building the site. The statement is a copy paste, which still read IH everywhere except the first line.

      • Frank Acland

        Maybe the site was not supposed to go live yet?

        • Sanjeev

          Perhaps. Someone forgot to proof read.

          Its interesting that the domain is .space. Why space?

    • Brent Buckner

      Woodford’s thoughts on investment opportunities for WPCT:
      http://citywire.co.uk/money/woodford-eyes-big-share-issue-for-patient-capital/a873323

  • Sanjeev

    Just a new name for IH, it seems. May be a new brand name.
    This suggests that they are readying up for something. Else why launch a website.
    Those who complained that IH has no presence, now they can relax.
    There is even a blog where you can leave comments. I did, it went to moderation.

    • Frank Acland

      Well “Lux Energy” does sound a little more appealing than “Industrial Heat”.

      • Sanjeev

        Ya it does.

  • Tom59

    The name could indicate that this new company exploits the effect of generating light and hear simultaneously, which AR had mentioned recently.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, maybe it’s for selling Quarks which produce electricity and light, in the same way as IH is for old E-cats.

      • Hi all

        Two different markets. Industrial Heat it is in the name. Industrial levels of heat energy. The commonest use of energy in the world. The big market.

        Lux Energy Multiple meanings Lux referring to light and luxury and energy both heat and electricity, so Rossi’s Quark, which Rossi has said IH will sell too. So Krivit got it wrong yet again. Rossi and IH are working together no divorce just Krivit FUD.

        Kind Regards walker

  • Tom59

    The name could indicate that this new company exploits the effect of generating light and hear simultaneously, which AR had mentioned recently.

    • Pekka Janhunen

      Yes, maybe it’s for selling Quarks which produce electricity and light, in the same way as IH is for old E-cats.

      • Hi all

        Two different markets. Industrial Heat it is in the name. Industrial levels of heat energy. The commonest use of energy in the world. The big market.

        Lux Energy Multiple meanings Lux referring to light and luxury and energy both heat and electricity, so Rossi’s Quark, which Rossi has said IH will sell too. So Krivit got it wrong yet again. Rossi and IH are working together no divorce just Krivit FUD.

        Kind Regards walker

  • Frank Acland

    Did a search for Alexander Rios and Victoria Stephens and came up with this: http://macfram.com/

    Seems like they are just part of the site design team.

    • Sanjeev

      Same template. So the lux site is still under construction and was not supposed to go public 🙂

      • Frank Acland

        Yes it does seem that way — it may disappear soon.

        • Frank Acland

          It’s gone now — password protected.

      • Guest

        looks like they also got luxenergy.co and luxenergy.us. Seems luxenergy.com and luxenergy.org already owned by 3rd parties.

        If an april fool’s joke you probably don’t take 3 domains…

    • Andreas Moraitis

      There is apparently no entry for „Lux Energy“ in the Register of Corporations of NC:

      https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/csearch.aspx

      Maybe you should contact Mr. Vaughn in order to clarify if this website is genuine.

      • Frank Acland

        I emailed him this morning asking about it. Now it is gone, so I expect it was under construction and not live by intention.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          If it should turn out that this company exists at least on the drawing-board it would seem that they got some feedback from the ERV. Therefore, I hope that you will receive a reply to your mail.

          • Frank Acland

            Me too, but I kind of doubt it. I think this information about Lux Energy was not meant for public consumption.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Frank Acland

            Then they will say nothing.

            If it was fake they would disavow it straight away.

            The fact it is linked to James Van Eerden makes the fake or scam impossible it would ruin his business image.

            If it is real they cannot disavow as it would get them into legally risky activity. Something for APCO to puzzle.

            If it is real and they are close they will keep quiet.

            Ergo no denial means F9 is positive.

            Kind Regards walker

          • Hi all

            If they do not reply then they are hiding it.

            If it is a fake site they will say.

            Kind Regards walker

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Makes sense.

          • Christina

            lux energy is not available.

          • Omega Z

            Someone in a race knows whether he did good or not.
            However, he must wait for the judges to give the grade and make it official..

        • Ged

          Does anyone know a way to tell how long it was up before we noticed (and how long before it was protected)? I have seen these exact tactics used before, and to great effect.

          Could be an error, but there is just too much money behind these names for me to think so after one factors in all the timing, statements, and other hints dropped the past couple weeks. All moving so fast… If I wasn’t on my phone, I’d look at the site source code as that can hide a lot.

    • we-cat

      Frank, nice. It seems that website is also under construction. Weird stuff.

      JB

    • we-cat

      Frank, indeed. These names appear as per default and probably come with some templates.

  • Frank Acland

    Did a search for Alexander Rios and Victoria Stephens and came up with this: http://macfram.com/

    Seems like they are just part of the site design team.

    • Sanjeev

      Same template. So the lux site is still under construction and was not supposed to go public 🙂

      • Frank Acland

        Yes it does seem that way — it may disappear soon.

        • Frank Acland

          It’s gone now — password protected.

      • Guest

        looks like they also got luxenergy.co and luxenergy.us. Seems luxenergy.com and luxenergy.org already owned by 3rd parties.

        If an april fool’s joke you probably don’t take 3 domains…

    • Andreas Moraitis

      There is apparently no entry for „Lux Energy“ in the Register of Corporations of NC:

      https://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/csearch.aspx

      Maybe you should contact Mr. Vaughn in order to clarify if this website is genuine.

      • Frank Acland

        I emailed him this morning asking about it. Now it is gone, so I expect it was under construction and not live by intention.

        • Andreas Moraitis

          If it should turn out that this company exists at least on the drawing-board it would seem that they got some feedback from the ERV. Therefore, I hope that you will receive a reply to your mail.

          • Frank Acland

            Me too, but I kind of doubt it. I think this information about Lux Energy was not meant for public consumption.

          • Hi all

            In reply to Frank Acland

            Then they will say nothing.

            If it was fake they would disavow it straight away.

            The fact it is linked to James Van Eerden makes the fake or scam impossible it would ruin his business image.

            If it is real they cannot disavow as it would get them into legally risky activity. Something for APCO to puzzle.

            If it is real and they are close they will keep quiet.

            Ergo no denial means F9 is positive.

            Kind Regards walker

          • Guest

            Also keep in mind that they’ve invested in other technologies besides Rossi, so it doesn’t mean necessarily that F9 is positive, just that they’re bullish about at least one of the technologies in their portfolio.

            Either way, it would seem to be a positive development.

          • Hi all

            If they do not reply then they are hiding it.

            If it is a fake site they will say.

            Kind Regards walker

          • Andreas Moraitis

            Makes sense.

          • Omega Z

            Someone in a race knows whether he did good or not.
            However, he must wait for the judges to give the grade and make it official..

        • Ged

          Does anyone know a way to tell how long it was up before we noticed (and how long before it was protected)? I have seen these exact tactics used before, and to great effect.

          Could be an error, but there is just too much money behind these names for me to think so after one factors in all the timing, statements, and other hints dropped the past couple weeks. All moving so fast… If I wasn’t on my phone, I’d look at the site source code as that can hide a lot.

    • we-cat

      Frank, nice. It seems that website is also under construction. Weird stuff.

      JB

    • we-cat

      Frank, indeed. These names appear as per default and probably come with some templates. JT Vaughn was probably the only name changed.

      http://www.luxenergy.asia still available.

  • Hi all

    Luxury market, the rich early adopters, the Apple type customers. The people you target as your first customers with any new product?

    On a more important note as I have said look at what they do not what they say. The key thing they have done is set up a distribution site.

    We are close now.

    Kind Regards walker

  • Hi all

    Luxury market, the rich early adopters, the Apple type customers. The people you target as your first customers with any new product?

    On a more important note as I have said look at what they do not what they say. The key thing they have done is set up a distribution site.

    We are close now.

    Kind Regards walker

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The site was indeed visible by mistake since now it asks for a password.

    • Ged

      Or by “viral marketting”, waiting for us to notice before protecting it. As why password and not simply immediately turning it off? This isn’t really the mistakes people at this level make.

      Too bad no one cracked the password. Maybe the cached version still has the html soure code.

      • Sanjeev

        No password, it simply says “website disabled” in big bold letters 😀
        Someone got firing left and right 😉

        • Ged

          It apparently did at first, which is so curious, and now this. Such behavior!

          • Sanjeev

            Its fast. They can simply point to correct page once they decide to launch it.

          • Ged

            That’s true. The frontend catches all side links going to other pages too, even the original test link I found in the cached source, so it’s well designed and not just thrown together by someone who doesn’t know what they are doing.

    • Thaddeus Holmes

      Ockham’s Razor: the simplest answer is usually the accurate answer.

  • Pekka Janhunen

    The site was indeed visible by mistake since now it asks for a password.

    • Ged

      Or by “viral marketting”, waiting for us to notice before protecting it. As why password and not simply immediately turning it off? This isn’t really the mistakes people at this level make.

      Too bad no one cracked the password. Maybe the cached version still has the html soure code.

      • Sanjeev

        No password, it simply says “website disabled” in big bold letters 😀
        Someone got firing left and right 😉

        • Ged

          It apparently did at first, which is so curious, and now this. Such behavior!

          Edit: Finally got to a computer so I could look at the source. Very interesting, the “Website Disabled” is actually set as the header, rather than simply having the HTML front end file deleted. Why? Why not just actually take down the site?

          • Sanjeev

            Its fast. They can simply point to correct page once they decide to launch it.

          • Ged

            That’s true. The frontend catches all side links going to other pages too, even the original test link I found in the cached source, so it’s well designed and not just thrown together by someone who doesn’t know what they are doing.

    • Thaddeus Holmes

      Ockham’s Razor: the simplest answer is usually the accurate answer.

  • Hi all

    The Victoria Stephens photo is I think a stock image, supporting the view that the site has been discovered while it is being built. I did a few facial recognition and reverse image searches.

    Kind regards walker

  • Alan Smith

    According to LinkedIn the company HQ is in Italy.

    PV power plant from 20 to 200 KWp, on roof or parking of industrial building

    Website

    http://www.luxenergy.info

    Industry

    Renewables & Environment

    Type

    Privately Held

    Headquarters

    Italy

    Company Size

    1-10 employees

    • Most probably not the same Luxenergy. I would say Luxenergy is an expected name of an Italian company in the field of any conventional energy. Would be surprised if it didn’t already exist.

      • Alan Smith

        I would agree entirely Mats, but for the fact that this italian Luxenergy website though ‘under construction’ bears very similar fonts and also HTML tags to the site (briefly visible) Sam found.

        • Ok, but in Italy it would be an s.r.l. or s.p.a., not an Ltd, as Frank reported in this post.

  • Alan Smith

    According to LinkedIn the company HQ is in Italy.

    PV power plant from 20 to 200 KWp, on roof or parking of industrial building

    Website

    http://www.luxenergy.info

    Industry

    Renewables & Environment

    Type

    Privately Held

    Headquarters

    Italy

    Company Size

    1-10 employees

    • Most probably not the same Luxenergy. I would say Luxenergy is an expected name of an Italian company in the field of any conventional energy. Would be surprised if it didn’t already exist.

      • Alan Smith

        I would agree entirely Mats, but for the fact that this italian Luxenergy website though ‘under construction’ bears very similar fonts and also HTML tags to the site (briefly visible) Sam found.

        • Ok, but in Italy it would be an s.r.l. or s.p.a., not an Ltd, as Frank reported in this post.

      • fpirri

        Alan: it exists, at http://www.german-business-guide.com/luxenergy you find a description of the society along with street address and phone numbers
        They works with photovoltaic plants.
        Luxenergy s.r.l. was born in 2009

        Anyway, their experience could be useful for eCat plants also.

  • Hi all

    Some one just screamed at the developer.

    And down goes the site 🙂

    Still keeping their powder dry/

    Kind Regards walker

    • Hi all

      Well if it was someone developing an April fools Joke they just screwed it, by allowing it to be discovered early 🙂

      If it has links to IH then we know the report was positive.

      Kind Regards walker

      • We’re inspired by advances in LENR […] and believe a tipping point is near.

        nuff said!

  • Hi all

    Some one just screamed at the developer.

    And down goes the site 🙂

    Still keeping their powder dry 😉

    Kind Regards walker

    • Hi all

      Well if it was someone developing an April fools Joke they just screwed it, by allowing it to be discovered early 🙂

      If it has links to IH then we know the report was positive.

      Kind Regards walker

  • kenko1

    Are any of these companies(lux, IH,IH Holding, Rossis’ Co’s) hiring? Or are they just havin fun playin /dreamin with their little shell companies?

    It seems that it would take hundreds, if not thousands of people to instantly launch a massive rollout as AR puts it. It’s so quiet.

  • kenko1

    Are any of these companies(lux, IH,IH Holding, Rossis’ Co’s) hiring? Or are they just havin fun playin /dreamin with their little shell companies?

    It seems that it would take hundreds, if not thousands of people to instantly launch a massive rollout as AR puts it. It’s so quiet.

  • We’re inspired by advances in LENR […] and believe a tipping point is near.

    nuff said!
    I guess they know the ERV results and are now prepairing as much as possible before they leak.

  • Mark

    you can still view the google cached version but only the homepage minus the images. easy way go here: http://cachedview.com/

  • RD Canuck

    A bit of tech sleuthing reveals that the domain name was registered a few days ago and is held by the founder of another start-up feeder company: http://helixx.co/

    This has all the hallmarks of quietly building corporate structures for a big reveal.

    [whois.nic.space]

    Domain Name: LUXENERGY.SPACE

    Domain ID: D18547924-CNIC

    WHOIS Server: whois.PublicDomainRegistry.com

    Referral URL:

    Updated Date: 2016-03-17T00:57:48.0Z

    Creation Date: 2016-03-11T23:50:12.0Z

    Registry Expiry Date: 2017-03-11T23:59:59.0Z

    Sponsoring Registrar: PDR Ltd. d/b/a PublicDomainRegistry.com

    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 303

    Domain Status: serverTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#serverTransferProhibited

    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited

    Registrant ID: C44197380-CNIC

    Registrant Name: Jim Van Eerden

    Registrant Organization: Magnalia

    Registrant Street: 13 Magnalia Forest

    Registrant City: Stokesdale

    Registrant State/Province: Other

    Registrant Postal Code: 27357

    Registrant Country: US

    Registrant Phone: +1.3366163000

    Registrant Phone Ext:

    Registrant Fax:

    Registrant Fax Ext:

    Registrant Email: magnaliafarmlibrary@gmail.com

    Admin ID: C44197380-CNIC

    Admin Name: Jim Van Eerden

    Admin Organization: Magnalia

    Admin Street: 13 Magnalia Forest

    Admin City: Stokesdale

    Admin State/Province: Other

    Admin Postal Code: 27357

    Admin Country: US

    Admin Phone: +1.3366163000

    Admin Phone Ext:

    Admin Fax:

    Admin Fax Ext:

    Admin Email: magnaliafarmlibrary@gmail.com

    Tech ID: C44197380-CNIC

    Tech Name: Jim Van Eerden

    Tech Organization: Magnalia

    Tech Street: 13 Magnalia Forest

    Tech City: Stokesdale

    Tech State/Province: Other

    Tech Postal Code: 27357

    Tech Country: US

    Tech Phone: +1.3366163000

    Tech Phone Ext:

    Tech Fax:

    Tech Fax Ext:

    Tech Email: magnaliafarmlibrary@gmail.com

    Name Server: NS4.WHOIS.COM

    Name Server: NS3.WHOIS.COM

    Name Server: NS2.WHOIS.COM

    Name Server: NS1.WHOIS.COM

    DNSSEC: unsigned

    Billing ID: C44197380-CNIC

    Billing Name: Jim Van Eerden

    Billing Organization: Magnalia

    Billing Street: 13 Magnalia Forest

    Billing City: Stokesdale

    Billing State/Province: Other

    Billing Postal Code: 27357

    Billing Country: US

    Billing Phone: +1.3366163000

    Billing Phone Ext:

    Billing Fax:

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    >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-03-24T14:19:50.0Z <<<

    • Veblin

      13 Magnalia Forest Stokesdale NC 27357
      James Patrick Van Eerden
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Van_Eerden

      http://helixx.co/#our_story
      Helping global entrepreneurs inspire a better world.
      2014 FIRST SOCIAL PURPOSE NETWORK ACTIVATION.
      Helixx works together with CME and Cherokee Gives Back to help launch The GoodXchange at goodX.com, helping corporate brands engage with consumers in a cause-driven exchange to create brand warmth and deeper consumer engagement in the market.

      Six more Van Eerden companies at the same address.
      http://www.bizapedia.com/addresses/13-MAGNALIA-FOREST-STOKESDALE-NC-27357.html

    • Hi all

      James Van Eerden his education screams East Coast Old Money.

      Studied at Oxford University St Peter’s College, Oxford, an MA in philosophy from Trinity College and an MBA Wake Forest University. You do not get into any of those without being exceptional bright or very very rich or preferably both.

      He has a history of investing in film as a producer including Oscar nominated films.
      http://alumni.gcc.edu/s/1472/images/editor_documents/jkmaaa/eerden__james.pdf

      He also like Darden has a history of philanthropy. Part of the Raleigh Old Money Set, just like Darden.

      Kind Regards walker

      • Thaddeus Holmes

        According to his wiki page, he is from Milwaukee. Transplant to NC?

    • hereandthere

      From the Helixx web site:
      “Helixx works together with CME and Cherokee Gives Back to help launch…”
      Is Helixx legit?

      • Hi all

        The fact it is linked to James Van Eerden makes the fake or scam impossible it would ruin his business image.

        Kind Regards walker

  • I don’t remember where I heard it, but someone told me a month ago or two, that IH planned for a media event in Q2 2016. I couldn’t confirm this info, so I didn’t pay too much attention. But now…
    From all the info below it’s clear that this is connected to IH and Cherokee.
    Also note that the url industrialheat.co (not .com) that used to point at the press release where IH stated it had acquired the license from Leonardo Corp., is no longer active. So, maybe a name change…?
    Lux refers more to light than to luxury to me, which makes me think of the E-Cat X.

    • Frank Acland

      RIght, with Rossi’s comments on the E-Cat X producing light, heat and electricity, the name Industrial Heat just doesn’t cut it any more.

    • Report by mid-April, media event within ~2 months after that. Makes perfect sense and indicates they expect positive news to announce.

      What bugs me though is they keep talking about acquiring LENR technologies… but if they know E-Cats work they already caught the golden goose. So why the emphasis on diversity? And also that stuff about embracing failure as well as success in their communication. And why all of a sudden a tug-of-war with Rossi going rogue with supposed mega-leaps in capability.

      Curiouser and curiouser.

      • psi2u2

        The emphasis on diversity makes sense if they are trying to establish an unrivaled lead in the field. They will try to license or buy up competing technologies, to make use of the knowledge base they represent as well as prevent them from competing. It makes total sense to me without any need for an assumption that the “negative results” are related in any significant way to Rossi’s IP.

        • I can see that, sure. I hope your interpretation is correct.

      • Hi all

        In reply to LENR G

        On the matter of “acquiring LENR technologies” Land grab acquire all of a market IP to exclude competitors for as long as possible.

        Kind Regards Walker

      • Warthog

        They would be fools NOT to keep acquiring new LENR tech. Rossi’s initial technology barely qualifies as the equivalent of the first one-cylinder diesel prototype. Even the E-Cat X is likely to be no more than a Model-T.

      • Imagine you know from one reliable source (yourself) that at least one type of reactor (ecat) works.

        Why not buying all other companies and IPs which claim similar achievements?

        The probability that they have working technology too is very high, when their technology is similar (Ni-H).

        At the moment all these companies, like Brillouin or Lenuco, are worth “peanuts” from a financial PoV.

        But when the message is out, they will shortly become priceless.

        For IH it’s now absolutely attractive to buy as much as they can.
        It’s like having insider information about big coming events of a big stock exchange company, but legal I guess.

      • Ged

        I think one always paints with a broad brush when talking about a technology, like thus. In the electronics industry, they use the same pluralistic language even when talking about a single particular tech being aquired. Usually, this is because the plural refers to patents, which a particular tech could have many such of.

        In other words, “technologies” can mean the E-cat and all its versions and -future- versions, but still mean only Rossi’s tech.

        Edit: I am of the persuasion they are hedging for future tech others develop based on Rossi. Though could be some hidden types they know about out there too.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Hi Ged,
          I agree with you on the hedging. Might be something to do with covering patent issues as well.

      • Bernie Koppenhofer

        Makes sense to me, if I were IH I would want to cause all the confusion I could about who owns or controls the “real” IP.

      • Omega Z

        Diversity is a business mainstay. Don’t put all your eggs in 1 basket.

        IP owner #1 say I think we need to bump up royaties from 2% to 4%.

        The Marketer’s response is, I think we need to produce more product from IP owner #2 amd less product from IP owner #1.

    • Ged

      The phone number that was on the site, 1.919.743.2500, goes straight to Cherokee: https://connect.data.com/company/view/mPP-WeTUTFo8Gj0YUwdMvQ/cherokee-funds . The contact info looks like a kitbash of IH and Cherokee, so curious.

  • Michael W Wolf

    For whom the bell tolls. Skeptopath graveyard coming to a site near you. This is big. And from an accidental? site leak. I now think they know F9 no longer applies. I am excited again. Stoern better get their act together or they will be irrelevant.

    • Ged

      Again, this seems like more viral marketing tactics, like with the visible APCO cc’ing on the e-mails. Little bread crumbs for us to follow…

  • Michael W Wolf

    For whom the bell tolls. Skeptopath graveyard coming to a site near you. This is big. And from an accidental? site leak. I now think they know F9 no longer applies. I am excited again. Stoern better get their act together or they will be irrelevant.

    • Ged

      Again, this seems like more viral marketing tactics, like with the visible APCO cc’ing on the e-mails. Little bread crumbs for us to follow…

  • Frank Acland

    From the JONP today:

    Giorgio
    March 24, 2016 at 9:52 AM
    Egr.ing.Rossi
    Fiat LUX ?
    Saluti

    Andrea Rossi

    March 24, 2016 at 10:17 AM
    Giorgio:
    If your question is aimed to know if the QuarkX makes light, the answer is yes.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    • SG

      I have to wonder whether Mr. Rossi is using photovoltaic cells to generate some of the electricity in the Quarks aka BLP.

      • Ged

        That would be ridiculously ineffective sadly. 20% conversion rate at best.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          If it costs -0- as a by product, what is the conversion rate?

          • Ged

            But it doesn’t cost zero. LENR consumes a fuel, and the device itself (and PVs) cost money to make in both material costs and labor. Also, think of all that wasted energy being missed out on by PV cells. The majority, just gone; that greatly increases the cost per kWh due to such inefficiency. There are so many better ways than PV cells.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            I said “as a by product”.

          • Ged

            PVs are still expensive and degrade over time, requiring replacement. They also would not last in heat applications. I dunno, it seems like that would waste money (increase cost per kWh) rather than save it over the long term, even if light is a lost energy byproduct.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            You are probably right, just a thought.

          • Ged

            It’s not a bad thought! It’s important to think out of the box and investigate all sorts of wild ideas 😉

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Apparently the decision to transform 20-25% of the light energy into electrical energy directly depends on the coefficient of conversion of thermal energy released by e – Cat X into electricity. Assuming thermal emissionvoltaic mechanism of lithium vapor that use photovoltaic may not be as crazy decision.

          • Can you expand on your reference to Li vapour please Fedir. Are you envisaging a small device enclosed in a glass ‘light bulb’ with fills with lithium vapour as the reactor heats up? If so, wouldn’t the lithium condense on the glass walls and reduce optical transmission?

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            I apologize for the broken translation – use Google translator. I think that the transformation of heat in Electricity in th Cat X carried thermionic converter lithium vapor. If the assumption is pravilnoe- should expect approximately 20% conversion of heat into electricity.
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    • Mark

      I think this shows that Rossi isn’t 100% up to speed on Industrial Heat strategy or at the very least company names, it seems an honest reply to a question about Lux without any hint of knowledge about the Lux Energy company, doncha think?

      • Ged

        To be fair, the question was vague, and I am sure Rossi’s brain jumps to his cats before business.

        But even so, IH is its own entity that can do what it wants.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Or, he might know all about it and be answering exactly as he intends.

          • Listen…

            Listen…

          • That was my first thought too (that Lux Energy will specifically handle ‘QuarkX’ while other shell cos. each manage one technology within the IH ‘territory’). It makes sense from a number of points of view.

  • Frank Acland

    From the JONP today:

    Giorgio
    March 24, 2016 at 9:52 AM
    Egr.ing.Rossi
    Fiat LUX ?
    Saluti

    Andrea Rossi

    March 24, 2016 at 10:17 AM
    Giorgio:
    If your question is aimed to know if the QuarkX makes light, the answer is yes.
    Warm Regards
    A.R.

    • SG

      I have to wonder whether Mr. Rossi is using photovoltaic cells to generate some of the electricity in the Quarks aka BLP.

      • Ged

        That would be ridiculously ineffective sadly. 20% conversion rate at best.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          If it costs -0- as a by product, what is the conversion rate?

          • Ged

            But it doesn’t cost zero. LENR consumes a fuel, and the device itself (and PVs) cost money to make in both material costs and labor. Also, think of all that wasted energy being missed out on by PV cells. The majority, just gone; that greatly increases the cost per kWh due to such inefficiency. There are so many better ways than PV cells.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            I said “as a by product”.

          • Ged

            PVs are still expensive and degrade over time, requiring replacement. They also would not last in heat applications. I dunno, it seems like that would waste money (increase cost per kWh) rather than save it over the long term, even if light is a lost energy byproduct.

          • Bernie Koppenhofer

            You are probably right, just a thought.

          • Ged

            It’s not a bad thought! It’s important to think out of the box and investigate all sorts of wild ideas 😉

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            Apparently the decision to transform 20-25% of the light energy into electrical energy directly depends on the coefficient of conversion of thermal energy released by e – Cat X into electricity. Assuming thermal emissionvoltaic mechanism of lithium vapor that use photovoltaic may not be as crazy decision.

          • Can you expand on your reference to Li vapour please Fedir. Are you envisaging a small device enclosed in a glass ‘light bulb’ which fills with lithium vapour as the reactor heats up? If so, wouldn’t the lithium condense on the glass walls and reduce optical transmission?

          • Fedir Mykhaylov

            I apologize for the broken translation – use Google translator. I think that the transformation of heat in Electricity in th Cat X carried thermionic converter lithium vapor. If the assumption is pravilnoe- should expect approximately 20% conversion of heat into electricity.
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    • Mark

      I think this shows that Rossi isn’t 100% up to speed on Industrial Heat strategy or at the very least company names, it seems an honest reply to a question about Lux without any hint of knowledge about the Lux Energy company, doncha think?

      • Ged

        To be fair, the question was vague, and I am sure Rossi’s brain jumps to his cats before business.

        But even so, IH is its own entity that can do what it wants.

        • Stephen Taylor

          Or, he might know all about it and be answering exactly as he intends.
          (LUX is for marketing QuarkX and Rossi & IH are preparing to go big.)

          • Listen…

            Listen…

          • That was my first thought too (that Lux Energy will specifically handle ‘QuarkX’ while other shell cos. each manage one technology within the IH ‘territory’). It makes sense from a number of points of view.

    • Rene

      F9 and all that, but the market is huge for a device that emits a bright light that can run for a year with very little input power, and that generates heat and electricity to power electronics. Cell towers, street lighting and traffic signals, etc.

  • Hi all

    As some one said the domain is .space the biggest land grab in human history.

    The first ever stellar land grab.

    Kind regards walker

  • Robert Dorr

    luxenergy.space website now “Disabled”

    Robert Dorr

  • Jimr

    Along with Dardon’s earlier comment on only relying on his or IH’s feedback, and this newly invested company, I believe Dardon and IH may be disillustioned with Rossi’s comments and progress. I’m sure Rossi is not the easiest person to work with.

    • Ged

      That is one randomly ridiculous jump in logic that has no basis in facts. Utter, groundless speculation.

      IH is birthing shell companies and subsidiaries. This is normal business practice -if- you have a working product you are about to market (along with service contracts, accessories, parts, etc). If IH had nothing from Rossi, they would evaporate without a word.

      • Jimr

        I agree it is speculation. After following this site and Rossi for over five years . You must agree that almost all the comments on this site are speculation.
        I am not saying Rossi has nothing, I’m saying possible disillusionment in his jumping from one product to another without completion along with others, could be a problem for them.

        • Ged

          Jumping from one product to another every year and a half or so has helped Intel dominate the CPU market for a decade. So, I don’t think I can agree to the merit of such logic when common R&D experience apparently runs counter it in most fields. Moreover, as far as we can see, Rossi indeed continues his products to completion, as the 1 year test of the low temp, original e-cat pilot plant shows (hotcat got usurped before possible products could be marketted, so it isn’t a factor and remains pure R&D).

          Rossi is the research guy, IH is taking the business side, and thank goodness too as Rossi is not a business person.

          • Brent Buckner

            You wrote: “Rossi is not a business person”
            We’ll see how matters proceed outside of IH’s territories!

          • Omega Z

            ->”outside of IH’s territories” is another group of business associates. This is international. There will be no 1 individual running this. Input will come from multiple entities.

          • Brent Buckner

            I agree that outside of IH’s territories we see that there are licensees and other business associates (e.g. those involved in manufacturing plant design). How well they perform going forward will for me be evidence respective of Rossi’s business judgement (as he chose them).

            Respective of IH’s territories, Leonardo/Rossi’s business decisions seem to me to have boiled down to whatever the deal with IH is. Taking that agreement as a done deal, IH then has pretty much the same set of business issues in its territories as Rossi/Leonardo has in the non-IH territories. How matters proceed outside of IH’s territories versus in IH’s territories will be evidence to me as to Rossi’s standing as a business person versus IH management’s standing as a business organization.

        • Omega Z

          Jimr
          They have 2 products. The Low temp E-cat that is on hold due to waiting on the ERV report, and the Hot cat that is still R&D and changing into the E-cat X/quark. This is not jumping around but transitioning.

        • The salient word you omit is ‘groundless’.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      Or, Rossi is just a little put off by IH filing their own patents, opening their own 20,000 sq ft lab and IH investing in Rossi competitors. So Rossi quit as IH’s chief scientist.

      • Omega Z

        Bernie,

        The patents have been filed by Industrial heat, but the have Rossi listed as the inventor.
        Also, below inventor it lists Rossi as the assignee. Not Industrial heat.

        Thus, Industrial heat has licensed the right to manufacture and market in their territories, but they do not own the IP.

        • Bernie Koppenhofer

          I agree IH does not own Rossi’s IP, but are they trying to create their own credible LENR IP? And, is Rossi just a little PO’d about it?

  • GiveADogABone

    Companies in the USA usually have the Inc suffix. Ltd is usual in the UK, so I tried the UK company lists :-
    https://companycheck.co.uk/company/06882873/LUX-ENERGY-LIMITED/
    Lux Energy Limited
    227 Shepherds Bush Road, London, W6 7AS

    Founded in 2009, this limited company has all zeros against its accounts.

    Is it possible that Lux Energy and Industrial Heat are one and the same?
    Probably not if IH is an LLC.

    • Alan Smith

      The owner of your UK company is also linked to a lot of other PV companies sharing the Lux name. This is shown by the public domain company returns. I think that maybe this is nothing more than a page-holder for some other outfit, and not LENR related (yet).

      • Ged

        At least the Lux here specifically said LENR on the site before password protecting it; so that one is 100% LENR related. But Lux is a common word, so a lot of companies may share similar names as happens with other common words. Makes for a mess.

  • Hi all

    The fact it is linked to James Van Eerden makes the fake or scam impossible it would ruin his business image.

    Kind Regards walker

  • Alan Smith

    The owner of your UK company is also linked to a lot of other PV companies sharing the Lux name. This is shown by the public domain company returns. I think that maybe this is nothing more than a page-holder for some other outfit, and not LENR related (yet).

    • Ged

      At least the Lux here specifically said LENR on the site before password protecting it; so that one is 100% LENR related. But Lux is a common word, so a lot of companies may share similar names as happens with other common words. Makes for a mess.

  • Hi all

    If you want to know some ones real strategy look at what they do not what they say.

    The links are clear, the expansion is recent. So they are actual strategic moves in light of recent knowledge.

    Let us see if Frank gets a reply 🙂

    Kind Regards Ian Walker

  • Hi all

    If you want to know some ones real strategy look at what they do not what they say.

    The links are clear, the expansion is recent. So they are actual strategic moves in light of recent knowledge.

    Let us see if Frank gets a reply 🙂

    Kind Regards Ian Walker

  • Zeddicus23

    Frank,
    You wrote that Industrial Heat is the exclusive licensee for Rossi’s Ecat. As far as I know that is not the case. IH has exclusive rights for USA but not for Europe.

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, you are right. IH has N and S America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

      • Frank Acland

        I fixed that in the post. Thanks!

  • Zeddicus23

    Frank,
    You wrote that Industrial Heat is the exclusive licensee for Rossi’s Ecat. As far as I know that is not the case. IH has exclusive rights for USA but not for Europe.

    • Frank Acland

      Yes, you are right. IH has N and S America, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.

      • Frank Acland

        I fixed that in the post. Thanks!

  • Christina

    lux energy is not available.

  • Christina

    It says website disabled; so how do you use the password?

    • Ged

      That was earlier, they changed it again to just read “Website Disable”. That is actually the page itself, not a missing website placeholder, which is interesting. All links for the domain get caught by the backend and redirected there, so we can’t sneak past it. I guess they figured a password would be too easy.

  • Ged

    I used the google cache to look at the source from whenever the cache snapshot was taken.

    One interesting thing, is hidden in the source for the leadership team, is “Harry Allen, director of production” before it was changed to JT Vaughn, Vice President. Searching for that name and title, leads to places like this http://viopro.com/team2 and https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/54851/onepress/1.0.2/section-parts/section-team.php?old=54900&old_path=%2Fonepress%2F1.0.3%2Fsection-parts%2Fsection-team.php . It looks like most of those people are associated with onepress as place holders? Others noticed that too earlier with the other names.

    Also, found this link in the source:

    http://luxenergy.space/index.php/2016/03/15/hello-world/ , which I guess implies the site was originally first designed in WordPress 4.4.2 on the 15th.

    There is also some padding stuff going on, so it isn’t complete. Don’t see many other interesting tidbits.

  • Thaddeus Holmes

    Based on the fact that the cached version of this site had some Latin and that the photos of people were stock images, I’m guessing this was a development site not yet intended for public consumption, the internet sleuths discovered it, and it was made private in order to finish development.

    • Frank Acland

      There was more information on the live site this morning compared to the cached one.

  • Ged

    I used the google cache to look at the source from whenever the cache snapshot was taken (edit: actually didn’t notice that the snapshot says it’s from the 17th, so this was available to the internet for quite awhile before it was featured here).

    One interesting thing, is hidden in the source for the leadership team, is “Harry Allen, director of production” before it was changed to JT Vaughn, Vice President. Searching for that name and title, leads to places like this http://viopro.com/team2 and https://themes.trac.wordpress.org/changeset/54851/onepress/1.0.2/section-parts/section-team.php?old=54900&old_path=%2Fonepress%2F1.0.3%2Fsection-parts%2Fsection-team.php . It looks like most of those people are associated with onepress as place holders? Others noticed that too earlier with the other names.

    Also, found this link in the source:

    http://luxenergy.space/index.php/2016/03/15/hello-world/ , which I guess implies the site was originally first designed in WordPress 4.4.2 on the 15th.

    There is also some padding stuff going on, so it isn’t complete (at least four spots under “Our Technology” where more content is ready to be added). Don’t see many other interesting tidbits, in this old, cached version.

  • Thaddeus Holmes

    Based on the fact that the cached version of this site had some Latin and that the photos of people were stock images, I’m guessing this was a development site not yet intended for public consumption, the internet sleuths discovered it, and it was made private in order to finish development.

    • Frank Acland

      There was more information on the live site this morning compared to the cached one.

      • Thaddeus Holmes

        Which, I assume, means they had been doing more development from when the site was cached and discovered today that the site had been featured here.

        • Ged

          It does show that they are closely watching this site. It looks like their page was first made on the 15th, at the latest (the Cache is the 17th), yet only once Frank’s site noticed it did they throw up a password, and then eventually a nearly blank page. Kinda flattering!

          • Frank Acland

            Well, I did email JT Vaughn asking if he could clarify the relationship of IH and Lux.

          • Ged

            Pekka noticed it was changed to a password lock at 9:12, and you posted about e-mailing at 9:25, so the events are very close together, indeed.

          • Frank Acland

            I sent the mail at 7:42 US central time.

          • Ged

            My times from Disqus are EST, so that would have made it 8:42 in comparison to the other EST times here, which would be just before the earliest report of the password lock; if Disqus is accurate. So, quite the fast response on their end.

            Edit: Whoops, getting those timezones all mixed up. Corrected!

          • Thaddeus Holmes

            And now, in true conspiratorial fashion, shall come the agent provocateurs! 🙂

          • Ged

            The question I pondered was if this was intentional in a viral marketing way as the CC’ing (rather than BCC’ing) of APCO was in the unprovoked e-mailing by Vaughn to Frank and other LENR news outlets, or if it was accidentally left accessible and only removed once it was noticed (unless you wish to claim noticing it had nothing to do with it and it is just coincidence). Considering how common these tactics are when a business is going for drumming up interest, there’s no evidence to exclude the possibility, but plenty of reason to believe it was accidental (not enough hidden treats). But in all cases, it is clear they reacted to Frank and/or anyone else who contacted them upon seeing this news story.

          • Thaddeus Holmes

            To be clear, I think they had no intention of this being seen by the public yet. I do think Frank’s email prompted the retraction. I think the fact that “Industrial Heat” was left in the News post instead of changing the language to “Lux Energy” and the fact that they didn’t change the team names from the Onepress pre-packaged text and graphics seems to suggest that this was not a calculated move, but a case of an accidental “peak behind the curtain” to which they reacted following Frank’s email.

          • Brent Buckner

            You’re sure they haven’t always been with us?

          • You can see the page summaries that Google listed using the URL https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=site%3Aluxenergy.space%2F&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 but all have been replaced by the same “Website Disabled” message.

            The text summary is below:

            luxenergy.space/
            We’re Inspired. LUX Energy is working to make clean, safe and affordable energy available everywhere. Technology Recent News …
            News – LUX energy

            luxenergy.space/index.php/category/news/
            LENR Industry Developments March 10, 2016 company statement regarding LENR industry developments. Industrial Heat’s objective is to make clean, safe and …
            March 2016 – LUX energy

            luxenergy.space/index.php/2016/03/
            LENR Industry Developments March 10, 2016 company statement regarding LENR industry developments. Industrial Heat’s objective is to make clean, safe and …

            LuxEnergy1 – LUX energy
            luxenergy.space/index.php/author/luxenergy1/
            LENR Industry Developments March 10, 2016 company statement regarding LENR industry developments. Industrial Heat’s objective is to make clean, safe and …

            Woodford Investment Management Funding Announcement …
            luxenergy.space/…/woodford-investment-management-funding-announc…
            2 days ago – Search for: Recent Posts. Woodford Investment Management Funding Announcement · Statement on LENR Industry Developments. Recent…

            The Cobraf forum has published a copy of the Google partial cache at: http://www.cobraf.com/forum/immagini/R_123620177_1.pdf

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Someone please ask him if his new Lux-Cat lampposts will transmit wifi.

    • Ged

      Sadly, I’ve heard it’ll only allow you to go to websites and youtube videos that feature cats.

      • Rene

        That’s nothing new. The internet is mostly about cats.

      • Gerrit

        That means it still covers 80% of the internet.

        • Mike Henderson

          He said cats, not p….

    • roseland67

      Nice

  • Iggy Dalrymple

    Someone please ask him if his new Lux-Cat lampposts will transmit wifi.

    • Ged

      Sadly, I’ve heard it’ll only allow you to go to websites and youtube videos that feature cats.

      • Rene

        That’s nothing new. The internet is mostly about cats.

      • Gerrit

        That means it still covers 80% of the internet.

        • Mike Henderson

          He said cats, not p….

    • roseland67

      Nice

  • Ged

    That was earlier, they changed it again to just read “Website Disable”. That is actually the page itself, not a missing website placeholder, which is interesting. All links for the domain get caught by the backend and redirected there, so we can’t sneak past it. I guess they figured a password would be too easy.

  • Ged

    It does show that they are closely watching this site. It looks like their page was first made on the 15th, at the latest (the Cache is the 17th), yet only once Frank’s site noticed it did they throw up a password, and then eventually a nearly blank page. Kinda flattering!

    • Frank Acland

      Well, I did email JT Vaughn asking if he could clarify the relationship of IH and Lux.

      • Ged

        Pekka noticed it was changed to a password lock at 9:12, and you posted about e-mailing at 9:25, so the events are very close together, indeed.

        • Frank Acland

          I sent the mail at 7:42 US central time.

          • Ged

            My times from Disqus are EST, so that would have made it 9:42 in comparison to the other EST times here, which would be after the password lock; if Disqus is accurate.

          • artefact

            On JONP:

            “Ron Stringer March 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM
            Making light, heat and electricity with the same device is a pretty
            good trick! The implication is that you can adjust the energy of the
            photons emitted by your quarkx. Can you tune the colour of the light?
            Can you choose to have a quark emit red or blue, for instance?
            Hope you can answer this one!
            Ron

            Andrea Rossi March 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM
            Ron Stringer:
            Yes.
            Warm Regards, A.R.”

          • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

            Everyone keeps mentioning F9… what is F9?

          • artefact

            “The results could be positive but also negative”

          • Nicholas Chandler-Yates

            what does “F9” have to do with it?

          • artefact

            Someone suggested it to him as a shortcut so he does not have to write it fully in every second post.

          • As far as i have understood, F9 represents an arbitrary mathematical function F (with unknown result).

          • Brent Buckner

            I think it was related to the notion of programming a function key, F9, to automatically add a disclaimer along the lines that final results could be negative or could be positive. (c.f. http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/08/16/no-time-to-be-lost-in-bringing-e-cats-to-market-if-test-is-a-success/#comment-2200226637 )

          • Brokeeper

            Will this energy prognosis change following the coming announcements?:
            ‘A reality check for renewable energy’
            “Wind, solar, and geothermal energy are growing rapidly. Yet the world’s reliance on fossil fuels isn’t changing any time soon. The clean- and safe-energy revolution is not imminent.”

            If F9, F8, what E-Cat X manufacturing capacity will be required to not just replace but overtake growing fossil fuel energy requirements? Are we talking about hundreds of gigafactories?

            http://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/a-reality-check-for-renewable-energy

            Referenced “Looking Ahead: The 50 Trends That Matter ” book. (Can look inside)
            http://www.amazon.com/dp/1514443430/ref=cm_sw_su_dp

          • Omega Z

            It’s not just how fast you can build them, It’s also how fast can society absorb. Thus why I always say this will take several decades to transition.

          • Brokeeper

            If driven by profit and increase margins, I think faster than most realize.

          • Brent Buckner

            And on the buyer side of the fence, driven by lower costs (and/or new capabilities/form factors).

    • Thaddeus Holmes

      And now, in true conspiratorial fashion, shall come the agent provocateurs! 🙂

      • Ged

        So, it is merely happenstance that what was up on the web since the 15-17th suddenly gets taken down (in a haphazard way) 30 minutes after Frank e-mails and makes a news post about it? Occam’s Razor (though it is generally misused and misunderstood) is not on your side this time.

        The question I pondered was if this was intentional in a viral marketing way as the CC’ing (rather than BCC’ing) of APCO was in the unprovoked e-mailing by Vaughn to Frank and other LENR news outlets, or if it was accidentally left accessible and only removed once it was noticed (unless you wish to claim noticing it had nothing to do with it and it is just coincidence). Considering how common these tactics are when a business is going for drumming up interest, there’s no evidence to exclude the possibility, but plenty of reason to believe it was accidental (not enough hidden treats). But in all cases, it is clear they reacted to Frank and/or anyone else who contacted them upon seeing this news story.

      • Brent Buckner

        You’re sure they haven’t always been with us?

    • Solar Hydrogen Trends *may* be out of business.
      SEE http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/

      • Hi all

        Or just another bit of IP bought up in the land grab.

        Kind regards walker

    • “Website Disabled”

  • artefact

    On JONP:

    “Ron Stringer March 24, 2016 at 5:04 PM
    Making light, heat and electricity with the same device is a pretty
    good trick! The implication is that you can adjust the energy of the
    photons emitted by your quarkx. Can you tune the colour of the light?
    Can you choose to have a quark emit red or blue, for instance?
    Hope you can answer this one!
    Ron

    Andrea Rossi March 24, 2016 at 5:07 PM
    Ron Stringer:
    Yes.
    Warm Regards, A.R.”

  • Solar Hydrogen Trends *may* be out of business.
    SEE http://www.solarhydrogentrends.com/

    • Hi all

      Or just another bit of IP bought up in the land grab.

      Kind regards walker

  • NCY

    Everyone keeps mentioning F9… what is F9?

  • William Hayes

    Ray Kurzweil’s blog site has a interesting article about a new type of additive printer that uses a plasma for depositing materials. What is relevant to LENR is that a person named: “telomere” responded to the article with the following comment (below) speculating that this new printer could be used to make Ni and others layers of a LENR device.

    http://www.kurzweilai.net/printing-nanomaterials-with-plasma-on-flexible-surfaces-and-3d-objects?utm_source=KurzweilAI+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=34417c060c-UA-946742-1&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6de721fb33-34417c060c-282204873

    telomere’s comment: “Hmm,, maybe NASA Langley, Bushnell and Zawodny, could consider this for deposition or maybe codeposition of materials in making electrodes for LENR? Other work has depicted nano or micro structuring in the metal as a keys to the reaction(s). Navy SPAWAR claims that codeposition of the 2 materials in solution allows them to start the reaction immediately instead of waiting days or weeks for electrical loading of the metal lattice (with Deuterium into Palladiums lattice) Nasa was using Nickel and Hydrogen but was testing other materials too. Could this technology be used to make a better or more reactive Cathode via nano structures and codeposition? Could this process be used to lay down nano Pd or Ni while D2 or Hydrogen are introduced on the other side of the thin cloth or metal substrate? Hydrogen burns surely, but not in a He plasma? What would happen if you have a semi permeable subtrate, spray the metal on one side, and have the gas on the other side of the substrate. Is it limited to carbon nanotubes as far as sprayed material and shape? Just woke up so am not responsible for my comments or questions. :-)”

  • Stephen Haigh

    Maybe the site is being developed for IH by Triad Hosting Inc of Summerfield NC since this is where the trace route goes, Anyone have contacts there? 🙂

    • Frank Acland

      I think this is the company that is doing the development of the site: http://macfram.com/
      The template is the same, and three of the team members, also.

  • Stephen Haigh

    Maybe the site is being developed for IH by Triad Hosting Inc of Summerfield NC since this is where the trace route goes, Anyone have contacts there? 🙂

    • Frank Acland

      I think this is the company that is doing the development of the site: http://macfram.com/
      The template is the same, and three of the team members, also.

      • Thaddeus Holmes

        It’s just a free wordpress theme called Onepress with placeholder text. I’m sure there is no correlation between the two other than they chose the same free wordpress theme.

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Curious, but how did the author (Sam) find out about this URL?

    So as a “general” rule, the instant you turn on a web site (or upload the web package/content to the web site), the search engines do NOT know about content on the site, and thus no means exists to search the web site until such time that the web bots (crawlers) find the site via some other link. This process can take several days – often weeks.

    So either some other link to this site
    exists (can’t find any – but NOW THIS page DOES have a URL!!!).

    The other possible was the sitemap was submitted to the Google engine (by accident, or perhaps by the content up-loader software).

    So something had to trigger the indexing by Google.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Alan Smith

      Hi Albert. All I can tell you is that Sam is one smart cookie when it comes to the dark corners of the web.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Keep in mind that while the site is down, Google did and DOES show the some of the content when you search for http://luxenergy.space/. (actually, leave out the http:// part).

        So respectful of “sleuthing”, the site DID in fact indexed by Google and was (still is) searchable if you type in “luxenergy.space” into google, you get hits with the partial text displayed.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Albert D. Kallal

    Curious, but how did the author (Sam) find out about this URL?

    So as a “general” rule, the instant you turn on a web site (or upload the web package/content to the web site), the search engines do NOT know about content on the site, and thus no means exists to search the web site until such time that the web bots (crawlers) find the site via some other link. This process can take several days – often weeks.

    So either some other link to this site
    exists (can’t find any – but NOW THIS page DOES have a URL!!!).

    The other possible was the sitemap was submitted to the Google engine (by accident, or perhaps by the content up-loader software).

    So something had to trigger the indexing by Google.

    Regards,
    Albert D. Kallal
    Edmonton, Alberta Canada

    • Alan Smith

      Hi Albert. All I can tell you is that Sam is one smart cookie when it comes to the dark corners of the web.

      • Albert D. Kallal

        Keep in mind that while the site is down, Google did and DOES show the some of the content when you search for http://luxenergy.space/. (actually, leave out the http:// part).

        So respectful of “sleuthing”, the site DID in fact indexed by Google and was (still is) searchable if you type in “luxenergy.space” into google, you get hits with the partial text displayed.

        Regards,
        Albert D. Kallal
        Edmonton, Alberta Canada

  • Brokeeper

    Will this energy prognosis change following the coming announcements?:
    ‘A reality check for renewable energy’
    “Wind, solar, and geothermal energy are growing rapidly. Yet the world’s reliance on fossil fuels isn’t changing any time soon. The clean- and safe-energy revolution is not imminent.”

    If F9, F8, what E-Cat X manufacturing capacity will be required to not just replace but overtake growing fossil fuel energy requirements? This includes over a billion people without electricity. How many gigafactories?

    http://www.mckinsey.com/industries/oil-and-gas/our-insights/a-reality-check-for-renewable-energy

    Referenced “Looking Ahead: The 50 Trends That Matter ” book. (Can look inside)
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/1514443430/ref=cm_sw_su_dp

    • roseland67

      I would settle for just 1

    • Omega Z

      It’s not just how fast you can build them, It’s also how fast can society absorb. Thus why I always say this will take several decades to transition.

      • Brokeeper

        If driven by profit and increase margins, I think faster than most realize.

        • Brent Buckner

          And on the buyer side of the fence, driven by lower costs (and/or new capabilities/form factors).

  • wpj

    Saw this on Peter Gluck’s site

    https://www.ecat.tech

    Looks like the Australians are getting geared up.

    • Seems to be a bit out of date, unless the 4 x 250kW design has reverted to the 106 sub-unit type – but I suppose the details don’t matter.

      • NCkhawk

        Rossi is a fool for associating with this guy. No Tritium generating unit, if I understood the brochure from the website correctly and if true, will ever by allowed to leave the US if it is manufactured here. Another indication of complete BS by Rossi and / or those hanging on to his latest efforts. My guess is that Rossi may be heading into an entirely new level of trouble with clowns like Green trying to drum up deposits on his behalf.

        • Ged

          We should ask Rossi if he is associating with this guy again. As far as I know, he isn’t, and completely opposes the guy, but one question on JONP should clear this up.

          • Alan Smith

            See above. I am expecting IH to jump on him from a very great height.

    • NCkhawk

      Lord help us! That guy should have been charged with securities law violations the last time around. Looks like Rossi and Green have made up from their previous unpleasantness though. They may end up deserving each other.

      • Ged

        Rossi did disavow this guy back in the day, if I remember right, and most of this information just looks like this guy’s old site, but spruced up a bit. Hm. I wonder if Rossi is aware of him? I agree, this guy is shady has heck, and no one should send in money to any outfit, or Rossi himself, asking for a product that does not yet exist and can’t be reasonably assured to exist any time soon (pending whatever it is IH is doing).

        • Alan Smith

          Rossi is aware now. I think Mr. Green is trolling for cash without consent.

          • Ged

            Same that happened last time too. Guy doesn’t learn, I guess.

  • wpj

    Saw this on Peter Gluck’s site

    https://www.ecat.tech

    Looks like the Australians are getting geared up.

    • Seems to be a bit out of date, unless the 4 x 250kW design has reverted to the 106 sub-unit type – but I suppose the details don’t matter.

      • NCkhawk

        Rossi is a fool for associating with this guy. No Tritium generating unit, if I understood the brochure from the website correctly and if true, will ever by allowed to leave the US if it is manufactured here. Another indication of complete BS by Rossi and / or those hanging on to his latest efforts. My guess is that Rossi may be heading into an entirely new level of trouble with clowns like Green trying to drum up deposits on his behalf.

        • Ged

          We should ask Rossi if he is associating with this guy again. As far as I know, he isn’t, and completely opposes the guy, but one question on JONP should clear this up.

          • Alan Smith

            See above. I am expecting IH to jump on him from a very great height.

    • NCkhawk

      Lord help us! That guy should have been charged with securities law violations the last time around. Looks like Rossi and Green have made up from their previous unpleasantness though. They may end up deserving each other.

      • Ged

        Rossi did disavow this guy back in the day, if I remember right, and most of this information just looks like this guy’s old site, but spruced up a bit. Hm. I wonder if Rossi is aware of him? I agree, this guy is shady has heck, and no one should send in money to any outfit, or Rossi himself, asking for a product that does not yet exist and can’t be reasonably assured to exist any time soon (pending whatever it is IH is doing).

        • Alan Smith

          Rossi is aware now. I think Mr. Green is trolling for cash without consent.

          • Ged

            Same that happened last time too. Guy doesn’t learn, I guess.

  • Yet another ‘Lux Energy’ co:

    http://wa-com.com/luxenergyltd.com

    No content as yet (blank pages)
    ______________________________________________________.

    Luxenergyltd.com

    Updated : 2016-02-28

    Technicals Datas

    IP : 184.168.221.60

    IP-based Geolocation of Luxenergyltd.com : flag US United States | Arizona | Scottsdale

    DNS Status : Online

    Whois Name Servers History

    Domain Name: luxenergyltd.com

    Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com

    Registrant Name: Amy Biggers

    Registrant Organization: Cherokee

    Name Server: NS37.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

    Name Server: NS38.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

    DNSSEC: unsigned

    • TPaign

      The Scottsdale location is for the godaddy server… means nothing for the location of the company

    • Ged

      Gees, they are busy buying up domains lately. But why would they need so many? Regionalization?

      • Sanjeev

        Usually companies buy up all the related domains to keep others from getting them and using/misusing them on their behalf. They even register common spelling mistake versions too.(try yaho.com eg)

        To me it indicates that IH have a good consultant and they are really serious.

  • Yet another ‘Lux Energy Ltd.’ spin off domain, registered directly to Cherokee. Location is given as Scottsdale Az. ‘Updated’ Feb 28th, but no content visible (index page blank)
    ______________________________________________________.

    Luxenergyltd.com

    Updated : 2016-02-28

    Technical Data

    IP : 184.168.221.60

    IP-based Geolocation of Luxenergyltd.com : flag US United States | Arizona | Scottsdale

    DNS Status : Online

    Whois Name Servers History

    Domain Name: luxenergyltd.com

    Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com

    Registrant Name: Amy Biggers

    Registrant Organization: Cherokee

    Name Server: NS37.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

    Name Server: NS38.DOMAINCONTROL.COM

    DNSSEC: unsigned

    http://wa-com.com/luxenergyltd.com

    • TPaign

      The Scottsdale location is for the godaddy server… means nothing for the location of the company

    • Ged

      Gees, they are busy buying up domains lately. But why would they need so many? Regionalization?

      • Sanjeev

        Usually companies buy up all the related domains to keep others from getting them and using/misusing them on their behalf. They even register common spelling mistake versions too.(try yaho.com eg)

        To me it indicates that IH have a good consultant and they are really serious.

  • Alan Smith

    A UK Companies House check on Lux Energy Ltd shows it to be a parked/dormant company registered in 2014. Head office is an apartment in London.The named director is currently a director of 45 different companies, most of them dormant but at least one connected with tax avoidance via the movie business. This one will presumably have changed hands too recently for Companies House to have registered the fact.
    Parked companies with no trading history ‘ready to sell’ like this are the pre-interned version of domain-squatting, and it looks like the current owner may (just possibly) have been lucky in his choices -or (more likely) was invited to set them up against the day. Which in turn indicates that the connection between LENR and lighting is older than we knew.

  • Alan Smith

    A UK Companies House check on Lux Energy Ltd shows it to be a parked/dormant company registered in 2014. Head office is an apartment in London.The named director is currently a director of 45 different companies, most of them dormant but at least one connected with tax avoidance via the movie business. This one will presumably have changed hands too recently for Companies House to have registered the fact.
    Parked companies with no trading history ‘ready to sell’ like this are the pre-interned version of domain-squatting, and it looks like the current owner may (just possibly) have been lucky in his choices -or (more likely) was invited to set them up against the day. Which in turn indicates that the connection between LENR and lighting is older than we knew.

  • Edac

    Do a google search for Alexander Rios and Victoria Stephens and it will come up with http://www.kreativecelebrations.co.uk
    If you look at this site they can’t be seen. But, if you look at the Google cached version (using the down arrow to the right of the listing) they are there!
    They also appear on http://www.millerinvestmentgroupllc.com/
    and http://www.curvaflex.com.br/site3/
    and http://demos.famethemes.com/onepress-plus/
    Are these people associated with the listed company, or are they with the website developers? Most of these sites appear to be not finished.

  • jousterusa

    I think what we are looking at is a significant crack in the rocky relationship between IH and AR. This is understandable, given the great promise and high expectations all of us have for a significantly profitable rollout, particularly of the Hot Cat X, a product that good p.r. support should rocket into public consciousness and sell millions of units. But the fact is that all of us are disappointed by the very slow, and frequently revised launch date for this product, which undoubtedly has caused recriminations between the parties who expect to benefit most. I would remind all sides that enormous patience brought important advances into our lives, not a fierce internecine battle of the progenitors. Be calm, be patient, and wait for the right time to launch successfully.

    • HS61AF91

      also developments can be so instantaneous, as to compel delay, rather than introducing an already obsolete product.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      I agree there has been a fundamental split between Rossi and IH. We must not forget IH and all their affiliates have not created anything. They are simply investors, fundamentally interested in making money. There is a possibility, in my opinion, that Rossi is so far ahead in LENR research, that IH has formed a strategy to invest in Rossi competitors, possibly trying to create their own IP, making themselves the “white knight” of this new energy source, thereby controlling as much of this new huge market as possible. IH has created nothing, they are an investment firm.

  • jousterusa

    I think what we are looking at is a significant crack in the rocky relationship between IH and AR. This is understandable, given the great promise and high expectations all of us have for a significantly profitable rollout, particularly of the Hot Cat X, a product that good p.r. support should rocket into public consciousness and sell millions of units. But the fact is that all of us are disappointed by the very slow and frequently revised launch date for this product, which undoubtedly has caused recriminations between the parties who expect to benefit most. I would remind all sides that enormous patience brought important advances into our lives, not a fierce internecine battle of the progenitors. Be calm, be patient, and wait for the right time to launch successfully.

    • HS61AF91

      also developments can be so instantaneous, as to compel delay, rather than introducing an already obsolete product.

    • Bernie Koppenhofer

      I agree there has been a fundamental split between Rossi and IH. We must not forget IH and all their affiliates have not created anything. They are simply investors, fundamentally interested in making money. There is a possibility, in my opinion, that Rossi is so far ahead in LENR research, that IH has formed a strategy to invest in Rossi competitors, possibly trying to create their own IP, making themselves the “white knight” of this new energy source, thereby controlling as much of this new huge market as possible. IH has created nothing, they are an investment firm.

      • LookMoo

        IH/Cherokee are money flippers. Their main business up until now have been government contracts. The paper work is drafted so that they can walk away with the money (hint).

        IH/cherokee tried to walk away with the entire LENR business and failed miserably.

        And does the Ecat work..?? well, IH paid something like USD 11 million for the IP after due diligence and the ecat reactor used in the Lugano tests was made by IH (and it worked well for 30 days). With that “proof” IH sold the IP to the Chinese Gov. for USD 200 million.

        With Rossis words IH claims should be rated as “clownery”.

  • jousterusa

    The post below is a little prescient, if I may say so! But reading this post the night after the suit appeared, I’m also finding it noteworthy that the crooks were trying to rip off Rossi’s IP.

  • jousterusa

    The post below is a little prescient, if I may say so! But reading this post the night after the suit appeared, I’m also finding it noteworthy that the crooks were trying to rip off Rossi’s IP.

  • Paul Maher

    I watched a PBS documentary on the Industrial Revolution several years ago. The Carnegies, Rockefellers, Morgans and others of the early 20th century. They were all at each others throats over the source of the natural resources and its transportation and the financing of the whole operation.
    It would feel a little unnatural if LENR and a handful of other technologies such as Photoswitching, ZPE and Solid State Generators, and 80% efficiency of Thermoelectricphotovoltaic Hybrids just took over without major financial and patent battles.
    Here is my proposition. All qualified inventors with patents, or patents that were submitted, but denied years ago should have the right to participate in an open source patent program and to manufacture LENR product and share in the joint profits as a function of its own profitability.

    Or should we simply let big money make all of the decisions as the entire thing gets dragged through court after court and put off the benefits for Mankind another 10 or 20 years? .