Replicators Beware — Been There, Seen it Happen (Fredrick Hibbs)

The following post has been submitted by Fredrick Hibbs

Replicators beware. You are playing with fire, nuclear fire. Imagine something a million times more powerful than a mixture of gasoline with pure oxygen. Until you have worked out how to control it and spread the massive release of quite energetic positrons (beta plus radiation) over a period of months (like Rossi who themalizes them safely) instead of less than a millisecond (like Teller), stop, think, research, and only then proceed.

If you get the design of your experiment wrong then your DNA may be modified or even vaporized completely. There are rumors about one or two explosions; there have certainly been melt-downs – I’ve seen the pictures. When you understand how the E-Cat works you will realize why Rossi is so cagey with his comments.

However, his 30 minute interview with Ruby Carat is quite revealing. The wafer is at 1500C inside and at ~120C outside in the water. Only pico-grams of hydrogen are reacted. Metallic hydrides are a very special form of matter. Mixed with lithium (or similar neutron modifier) this Ni-H reaction is for real.

Bob Greenyer – you have been warned. Your MFMP cook-book should include a safety warning concerning the flash of radiation. I have researched this because I have seen it happen. I am not a troll, nor a skeptic – just concerned for your safety. Despite Rossi’s success, certification of practical LENR devices (even for power station use) may take decades. Get real folks! This is nuclear fire.

Fredrick Hibbs

  • Sanjeev

    The wafer is at ….. BOOM!!

    Vaporizing the dna (in trillions of cells?) is least of the concerns, when you are fighting for milliwatts of excess energy. This must be one of the lowest quality articles on ECW. 😀

  • wizkid

    I’ve been vaporized. I wondered why I couldn’t see myself in the mirror anymore! It was my successful (meltdown) replications of LENR! Thank you for letting me know! I am so relieved.

    • Gerard McEk

      You look a bit pale Wizkid… or is it misty?

      • wizkid

        At this point good buddy my answer is blowing in the wind. … he he he

  • Horshu

    So, nuclear reactions are dangerous. Got it!

  • Monty

    Like the best symphonies are… 😀

  • Mats002

    Fire is dangerous. Be aware Fredrick. But your DNA is degraded by other forces I presume.

  • The only thing that is dangerous.
    Is ignorance.

    • Alex Fenrick

      On what planet is this true? I could list a million things that are just as dangerous or even more dangerous than ignorance. That just makes no sense.

    • Been there, Seen it

      I reckon knowledge can also be dangerous, e.g. the metaphorical problem Adam had with Eve and her apple tree. LENR has potential use for both good and bad – just like a lot of other knowledge.
      But I think ignorance is also dangerous and for me it certainly isn’t bliss.

    • Been there, Seen it

      Have you seen native Australians create fire via the traditional method handed down from father to sons through untold generations? All you need is a piece of twine, two sticks, a small wooden bowl and the correct choice of (dry high A/V) kindling. Like lots of other tourists, I’ve seen a skillful team of 3 (close up) make fire on stage at Katoonga, Queensland, near Cairns (no trickery required). I now have KNOWLEDGE that will be extremely useful (for staying warm at night, for keeping wild animals away and for cooking some of what I catch) if I am ever stranded on a desert island with nothing at all other than a few wet clothes.

      Question for you: Did the Polynesians have desalination knowledge? Think about it. Why don’t we now use (a refined larger scale version of) the same eco-friendly technique for desalting sea water?

  • malkom700

    If really turn out to be powerful radiation threatens the government will immediately begin a new Manhattan Project. That would be the best progress you expect.

  • Frank Acland

    I didn’t edit any of this, just posted what I found in the submission. I will be happy to add more if there is more.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Ask for the evidence.

      • Been there, Seen it

        It’s only you and the MFMP that can provide the verifiable evidence. But please take care – your Dog Bone is already creating anti-matter (positrons). Your ignition procedure is dangerous, even if it’s a safe Parkhomov mixture you are using.

        • Bob Greenyer

          Do you have evidence for what you say; positrons, ignition procedure dangerous, safe mixture

          • Been there, Seen it

            Your period 7 oddity was Bremsstrrahlung radiation. Your data shows you burnt most of the fuel in there very quickly. I can tell Parkhomov is true expert and has your best interests at heart.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Please see update 3 here:

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/347-gamma

            and the conclusions in the linked paper

            http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEnatureofen.pdf

            Our replication of GS 5.2 (in 5.3) supports Ed Storms conclusion that the ‘signal’ has a half life of 109 minutes. The lower intensity bleed into trace 8 (which was a very long sample) supports the notion that the effect happens over a long period. Additionally, the apparent dropping of excess heat when we approached the melting point of Nickel supports both Rossi’s assertion that the system is inherently safe (from this view point) and Edmund Storms / Rossi’s assertion that the NAE should be intact in order to see the effect.

  • Frank Acland

    I think things should be okay now. Can you please recheck there was a symbol in there that was interfering with the text

  • US_Citizen71

    Did you read your own link? The cell in question was at over an atmosphere of pressure, contained both hydrogen and oxygen , was 4 inches in diameter and six inches long and made of steel. Can you say pipe bomb? He was also holding it in his hand as well. The replication experiments I’ve seen do not match the scale in size and do not purposefully contain oxygen. While safety should always always be of paramount importance your post makes you sound like Chicken Little.

    • Andreas Moraitis

      Pressure was „just above atmospheric pressure“, which means, I think, only slightly above. Let’s say it was atmospheric, free volume was about 1 litre and there was a stoichiometric mixture of hydrogen and oxygen inside, then the expected released energy would come to 10.5 kJ, which equals 2.5 g of TNT. Maybe enough to destroy a steel container – certainly enough if the pressure was considerably higher.

      • Alan Smith

        I have been around a few oxy-hydrogen explosion where the mixed gas was unconfined in air. It is a deadly mixture for sure- even in small volumes and unconfined it explodes like a pistol-shot. Hydrogen alone, or mixed with air is no worse than petrol vapour or propane. That is to say, bad enough but unless the volumes are large, not deadly.

        • Been there, Seen it

          There is absolutely zero oxygen in all modern LENR work. But all hydrogen contains 0.0312 weight percent deuterium, which is ionized when present in a metal hydride. The deuteron is then free to behave in a quantum mechanical manner if and when it meets a lithium 6 (or similar) nucleus. Therein lies the danger -and the potential for an extremely rapid temperature run-away.

          • Alan Smith

            That is very true – the bit about Oxygen exclusion anyway. I hate the stuff. As for extremely rapid run-aways and a burst of radiation, I am 70 years old and have spent many years working (at times) with big slugs of Cobalt 60, Tritiated DNA bases like Guanidine and Cytosine. I have some lead rubber underpants and no wish to have any more children. A run-away is fine by me. I might be old but I can still run feckin’ fast.

            But in all seriousness, do NOT think for a moment that we are as a company (lookingforheat.com) or as individuals unaware or careless of the risks – which are pretty small. LNER is certainly less dangerous than riding a bicycle in town. or Scuba diving. Both of which I survived already. So for me this is the safer hobby.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Thanks for the link to your amazing on-line shop in case I want to buy a DIY kit to build an LENR device at home. Can you ship to the UK? However, I cannot find the lead rubber underpants (you mention above) among the protective clothing section.

            Purity of the the powdered nickel that I worked with 1972/73 was MUCH better than 99%. Hydrogen was electrolytic grade.

            Earlier uni-vac experience was with control system for industrial plant nitrating toluene. Very exothermic & reaction rate doubles with every 10 degree C temperature rise. I am also still here!

          • Alan Smith

            We ship everywhere there is a pony express service. Lead-Rubber smalls are strictly by request. Madame will come and measure you personally for a small extra charge. Thoroughly recommended and it would certainly make your DNA go a bit floppy, if not melt it entirely.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Coincidentally, my wife is allergic to nickel earrings, or is cheap jewelry that she’s allergic to? My mother-in-law was also allergic to the nickel fasteners in her stocking suspenders – brought her out in a terrible rash. Relevance of that to LENR is exactly zero! It’s Bob Greenyer that urgently needs the lead rubber pants…

          • Alan Smith

            Not totally irrelevant at all. Nickel -especially nano-Ni is (for some people) a potent allergen. I know of one famous old-guard LENR researcher who has become hyper-sensitive to Nickel – even to the point where he avoids stainless steel in all its forms. Which btw presents as many or more problems as being allergic to wheat and dairy.

          • Been there, Seen it

            IMO the MFMP guys (and me356 as well) are doing great experimental work, but they really ought to have a magnetized cloud chamber – that’s the proper way to study sub-atomic particle physics. So they will need significantly more $$$ quite soon. I suggested to Bob Greenyer that MFMP should set up an “on-line shop (cf. Alan Smith’s) where I can buy the MFMP sweatshirt, T-shirt, MFMP mug ($35), fridge magnet ($12), wall poster ($6), Matt Lewans book ($4), etc? Many folks like to have a token in exchange for their donation, instead of the purely psychological (but invisible) satisfaction of having donated to a worthy cause.” However, the MFMP team is too busy to do that. My question to you is:- “Would be willing to extend the range of products you sell, as above, and donate most of the profit to the MFMP team?”

          • Alan Smith

            Hi There. Both directors of ‘lookingforheat’ have already donated both cash and (once) nano-lithium to MFMP, and have discussed fund-raising possibilities similar to your own with BG. Nice though the idea is they didn’t seem wildly excited about it – we are the face of wicked commerce after all – and to be honest sales of such items as you suggest are very small. More raindrop than cloud-chamber.
            As Bob’s experimental division has already indicated a little reluctance (for the moment) to go the cloud-chamber route for entirely practical reasons, we will wait to hear more from them directly.

          • Alan Smith

            We talk with Bob Greenyer regularly, and donate to MFMP. When they are ready, they only need ask.

          • Alan Smith

            Comments seemed to be off for the thread – 2x replies are lost in cyberspace. In brief, BG and Lookingforheat are regularly in touch and we have donated both cash and chemicals. They know where we live.

          • Been there, Seen it

            However, I have seen (and understood perfectly) both your comments via my Email Inbox. May I suggest you give BG a call to see whether he would like more donations (via profitable sales of souvenirs, and such like. on www lookingforheat com) to help pay for lots more (expensive) equipment.

          • Alan Smith

            You may suggest it. But hardly necessary, since we did it weeks ago.

      • Andreas Moraitis

        Correction: The above calculation was based on a larger volume. For 1 L (1bar abs, 20C) the energy comes to 8.5 kJ, or 2 g TNT equivalent.

    • Bob Greenyer

      Actually – according to Piantelli, if there is free oxygen or Nickel Oxides – there will be NO LENR.

      • Been there, Seen it

        Just read Piantelli’s patent EP2754156 – three times from top to bottom. All you need to know is in there, obfuscated, as usual.
        At last the 1MW E-Cat operation (plus ERV and purchase of 3 more E-Cats by the same customer) has provided the EPO with the required proof of principle for this EP to be granted. Voila!

  • Lux Terrea

    Oh, Frank… aren’t you the brave one. 😉

    That you would dare come into this sad kennel and rattle the cages of these e-cat dogs with such frivolous warnings about playing with fire lest they all burn their paws completely ignores what great catastrophe has recently happened and it alludes to a slow news day here at our holy virtual sanctum, E-Cat World.

    You obviously don’t realize that all of the e-cat dogs in this kennel have gone feral from lack of constant feeding of tantalizing kibble (f9 blah blah) from the hand of their master, Rossi. And the nuclear fires of which you warn likely couldn’t do a whole lot more burn damage than all of the red hot drama around here already has.

    It’s almost like everybody here is staring at the back of a cave wall, with the faith and loyalty of old hounds, watching and waiting desperately for any animation of shadow that they may speculate and cogitate the meaning of those shadows rather than turn around and face a truth which could be a truly painful illumination indeed.

    But thank you for the warning just the same. Why don’t you come join us on the couch here and look at this cave wall. Oh look! That one looks like the industrial heat logo. Hey, did you bring any kibble?

  • Ophelia Rump

    The only reason possible, LENR is impossible, of course.

    LENR is both impossible and exceedingly dangerous. It’s all a matter of perspective. If you stand just over here, and tilt your head, squint your left eye and let go of facts and embrace anxiety.

    It is all extremely rational, you need to look at it only in very small bites.

    That is why they call it rational, you have to think small and carefully rationed thoughts.

    • clovis ray

      very funny,he, he,

    • Mike Rion

      What a crock!

  • Ophelia Rump

    No one said or implied that he was lying. The closest anyone came to that was you.

    • Bob Greenyer

      I think you may… 😉

  • Alan DeAngelis

    I understand your concern but I think Dr. Stefano Bagnasco
    looked for the back to back 0.511 MeV gamma rays that would be created in electron-positron annihilation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron%E2%80%93positron_annihilation and found none.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRry6a3U0Cw (24:10 min.)

    • Alan DeAngelis

      PS
      So, hopefully, it’s the very safe proton-lithium-7 reaction
      that’s taking place.
      Li(7) + p > 2 He(4) 17.3 MeV.
      http://news.coinupdate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/ernest-walton-silver-coin.jpg

      • Been there, Seen it

        That creates the inert atmosphere that dilutes the hydrogen and moderates the reaction as well. However, I reckon it’s the H+ ions (protons) moving freely in the special super-dense hydride phase of nickel that convert a few of the nickel nuclei into (unstable) isotopes of copper which then decay back to a higher than natural isotope of nickel and emit the positrons (which Rossi safely thermalizes in lead shielding inside his wafers).

        • Stephen

          Hi Been there, Seen that, I’m very glad your here and raising these important points especially as you seem to have very good and relevant experience and knowledge in the field.

          I’m interested in your concern about positrons. Its intresting too your observation about them producing bremsstrahlung especially if the have high velocity. But wouldn’t we also see 511 keV emission line associated with their annihilation with an electron? I suppose the intensity of that line could indicate the amount of positrons produced? Has such 511 keV emission been seen in any experiments? Perhaps under particular conditions I wonder?

          As an alternative to positron emission could it be that the stimulated copper following proton absorbtion instead undergoes a stimulated electron capture with the absorbed proton with the emission of a neutrino to conserve momentum etc. if I understand correctly some kind of particle will normally need to be emitted after absorption of the proton to conserve momentum. (For high energy Proton capture as in the r-process normally a nucleon such as a neutron is normally emitted). If I understand correctly electron capture can also lead to internal bremsstrahlung radiation but in this case only a neutrino is emitted. It may if the EC and neutrino emission results in a Nickel nucleus in ground state it may explain why gamma emissions following absorption of the proton are not seen too. I suppose the particular Qvalues of the stimulated nucleus may also be important. Does this scenario make sense in your understanding or am I missing something?

          I suppose even if the stimulated EC process I mentioned above takes place it may be only occur under certain conditions i.e. Why would a nucleus maybe prefer EC to positron emission? Perhaps the particular energies and conditions are important to determine which process occurs? I’m very curious to know your thoughts on this or if it’s perhaps incorrect thinking in some way.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Absence of 511 keV emission (from that particular experiment on that particular day) is indeed a mystery. Even the great men of LENR talking in the video above seem unable to explain it…

            If the mechanism is electron capture by copper, then I would expect to see much more Cu in the Lugano ash sample, instead of it being mostly Ni 62 after 30 days. I am not a PhD nuclear physicist, but I wish some of them would start thinking seriously about LENR. However, please may I suggest ever so tentatively that the positron generated in the NAE stays within the surrounding super-dense mixed metal hydride and performs further very energetic transmutations…

          • Stephen

            Its an interesting idea. I think if the positrons were energetic enough they would maybe not annihilate with electrons right away. I wonder what would happen if one was to encounter an H- ion or D- ion (or super dense Hydride as you say) for that matter… hmm… I’m no nuclear physicist though either unfortunately. I wish there were some here who could correct my wrong assumptions and share some of their expert knowledge too.

            The following is pure conjecture and speculation on my side but I wish someone with better knowledge than me can correct it if the assumptions are wrong:

            About the Copper I was wondering about this too i think it was absent in Lugano ash but present in an earlier test?

            If the EC can be stimulated promptly perhaps due to the excited state of the absorbed proton and the need to conserve energy momentum and states then maybe it goes straight to Nickel by EC? Perhaps the initial proton absorption and subsequent EC would depend on a positive ground state Q value for EC in the resulting Copper this would tend to result in the Nickel going to Ni62 since Cu63 is the first Cu isotope after Proton absorption from the lighter stable Nickel isotopes which has a negative Q value for EC about -66.9 keV.

            Interestingly if I recall correctly some earlier experiments prior to Lugano did see isotope shifts to Copper. If this is real and not due to contamination then I wonder if it could be caused by external stimulation of around 66.9 keV allowing the Ni62 to transmute to Cu63?

            Perhaps with catalysts containing lighter isotopes of Nickel than Ni62. If the process was sufficiently intense then the bremsstrahlung generated from EC following proton absorption with high intensity X-rays at around this frequency is sufficient maybe stimulate transmutations to Cu63? Or perhaps if some other external stimulation in the 10s or 100s keV is present the Ni can go to Cu63?

            On the other hand perhaps If the process is low rate and any bremsstrahlung is weak then it goes to Ni62 since there is not sufficient stimulation to go to Cu63?

            Perhaps if the catalyst only contains Ni62 no internal bremsstrahlung X-rays from EC are produced since no protons are absorbed by this process in this case unless external stimulation is applied and they are maybe instead available for the Lithium 7?

          • Been there, Seen it

            Who knows? Certainly not me. But I do wonder what happens if and when a fast moving positron (remember it’s anti-matter that’s got small mass/energy and a positive charge) is released into an Nuclear Active Environment that may perhaps also effectively be a super-conductor at the quantum mechanical scale of entangled events. Come on physics PhD folks, we definitely need help with understanding this! There’s lots of experimental data already waiting to be explained…

  • Ophelia Rump

    Yes exactly a figure of speech. I don’t think anyone here is taking it literally.
    I understand quite well how someone can fear the unknown. The fear is quite legitimate, even if completely unfounded.

    I found the article extremely convincing and genuine in regards to demonstrating fear. I have fears of my own about the future of the technology. I would not let them stand in the way of saving humanity from itself, even if it brought a new potential to end humanity. That I think is the problem of being human, we are glorified monkeys with ever more godlike powers. Technology has outpaced human development. Bad Monkeys, great technology, bad combination.

    • Been there, Seen it

      I agree. Some of us monkeys are good, but many are bad…

      P.S. My experience with pellets of powdered nickel in a hydrogen environment plus another element, not lithium surprisingly, was research work done half a life time ago for a defunct commercial organization and will never be published. LENR was not the objective, but the rapid temperature run-awasy from 1000C in <20 seconds were scary but real and led to burnt-out thermocouples, damaged stainless steel, etc.

      • US_Citizen71

        I sorry but that sounds like the stories teenage boys sometimes tell about their “girl friend” in another country that they lost their virginity to. If it was half a lifetime ago at a defunct company there shouldn’t be a reason that you cannot tell the materials involved. Unless of course you are just trying to create a boogeyman.

        • Been there, Seen it

          Some people have to take many secrets to the grave. I get the impression you have never worked for the military, government secret service, nor a major corporation in the pharmaceuticals, oil or chemical industries. Even in the USA there are secrets, big ones. Some of them concern HENF&F experiments.

          • US_Citizen71

            On the contrary I have held security clearances in my youth and have signed NDAs, but that was with the government not a defunct company. If the company no longer exists there is no one to press a suit.

          • Been there, Seen it

            The business was taken over by a big well-known US company, who later closed it down, but kept the IP and all the customers. I moved on out of there 2 years before the take-over, but the NDA is forever,and I see no reason to take on US corporate lawyers.

      • Been there, Seen it

        I will take your post above as a green light to go public with more of what I know about nickel reacting with hydrogen. Dr Rossi’s behavour is infuriating. I like a quiet life, underneath the radar of the internet, let alone the tabloid press. I don’t like arguments, and certainly not the attention of trolls. I never expected, nor wanted, to have to go public with what I know about this, but the avalanche of disbelief is incredible. I had hoped Rossi would be more open and overcome the public’s incredulity. I can see that Darden’s position is also now difficult – having had confidential meetings with investors, suffered leaks to Rossi’s rivals and discussed the IP with Chinese guys and GIRLS. Did you see the selfie of them holding up their damaged stainless steel reactor after they had experienced an extremely rapid temperature excursion? That was rather like me 40 years ago, but my 6 liter reactor with some fused nickel inside was much bigger and heavier than that!

        • I don’t remember of such a photography ?
          do you have a reference, a link?

          • Been there, Seen it

            Here is the photo of the pristine reactor – after its rebuild…

            https://www.scribd.com/doc/267085905/New-Result-on-Anomalous-Heat-Production-in-Hydrogen-loaded-Metals-at-High-Temperature

            The amusing selfie by the ladies (I think it was Jing Liu & Ming He) has been removed. So have the temperature/pressure plots from the experiment that ended with a thermal runaway (but I can remember what they looked like because they were so similar to my ones >40 years ago! Songsheng Jiang is clearly a serious researcher at the CIAE and perhaps he saw my comment about the same time as you did! However, I believe science advances more quickly if colleagues share the knowledge of what doesn’t work, as well as of what does.

          • Songsheng replications seems not to be the result of a leak from IH, or it may just mean that IH have no valuable IP (as I have heard).

            Songsheng, Parkhomov, Me356, MFMP, all try to replicate like maybe IH do, with probably not much more data.

            the IP that Rossi should have transferred include not only NiH+Li reactions, like replicator try to do painfully, but all said improvement, like SSM, E-cat HT, E-cat X, Quark, direct electricity production…

            it seems many people here, and maybe Rossi, don’t understand the agreement, OF COURSE (other wise it is stupid), include license to exploit the improvements (in US, Russia,Emirates…).

          • Been there, Seen it

            Precisely the same as my deduction. For news of the interesting beta-voltaic effect (for a Quark-X perhaps) see this release:

            http://sputniknews.com/science/20160304/1035762210/russia-scientists-nuclear-batter.html

            There’s also another even more interesting paper about 63Ni production in Russia. I will try to find it again if you’re interested.

          • bachcole

            AlainCo, I want your opinion. (Not everyone will get that kind of a question from me, the opinion part.) Who do you think is telling the truth? Who do you think is wearing the white hat and who is wearing the black hat? Who is lying or mistaken, and who is telling the truth?

          • First I will start by my key finding about truth :

            I think that people are what they look they are if you read well the reports of people who were near to them.

            I think that people repeat their past mistakes.

            I think that not trusting make you unable to be trusted.

            I think that key of business is trust

            I think that the majority is wrong, except if majority have flesh in the game.

            I think that all is clear and public, except that everybody look in dark corners.

            I think that the satanic scapegoat is the victim and the beloved is a manipulator.

            now I have no proven data to give my opinion, except to add new hypothesis that nobody yet have seriously defended, because it is too simple, to evident, innocenting the scapegoat and accusing the blessed one.

            People have hear me propose my own theory… it is not proven, but it is not to exclude.

            What I know is that the blackhat is a dumb and is losing a billion because of his own inability to cooperate.

            Search who is the dumbest, not who is the most evil.

          • Been there, Seen it

            >bachcole, I want your opinion. (Hardly anyone will get that kind of a question from me, the opinion part.)
            Will humanity be able to live safely on this planet when LENR becomes public domain knowledge?

          • Frank Acland

            There wasn’t a selfie with girls in this particular document, this is the document that Songsheng Jiang sent to me last year, and I uploaded it to Scribd.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Correct. What you have there is the document written after the 2nd? successful experiment. The amusing selfie (in front of exactly the same work bench at CIAE with them holding up the same reactor (slightly damaged) plus T&P plots (with T going off-scale) were in another document that has been removed from the internet within the past 72 hours, understandably…

          • Frank Acland

            No, this was the first report from Songsheng Jiang.

          • Been there, Seen it

            OK, so the 1st experiment was successful and what I saw was the post after a 2nd experiment (now unreported) that ran away. Hence the ? after 2nd above. It was definitely the same reactor that was damaged and the same work bench behind them. But why the angst? Let’s hope they keep on trying.

    • Been there, Seen it

      >>Ophelia, Having given your comment above further thought I have decided to divulge a whole lot more… Please see my comment added below my earlier reply… The LENR secret is about to be revealed next week, but suggest you re-read this thread which has now become a long-winded, lengthy blog!

    • Been there, Seen it

      >Ophelia, I trust your judgement. Please read my second reply to you below and the re-read this thread if you want to discover… My question to you now is: “Should I ask Frank Acland to remove this thread from the deep ocean of past internet conversations?” My concern mirrors yours, namely: “I would not let them stand in the way of saving humanity from itself, even if it brought a new potential to end humanity”. Are you sure? As I said above, I trust your judgement…

      P.S. Despite the MFMP GS 5.3 result, the MFMP is (slowly) getting to the truth about LENR anyway.

  • Bob Greenyer

    Thanks Fredrick,

    We are as concerned as you – we try to deal with small amounts of material, after Signal, the first video we re-released was the “safety is the most important thing” video I took at ICCF-17.

    • Been there, Seen it

      Congratulations Bob. You getting warmer (literally?) each day…
      Yes, the LiAlH4 has to be in a separate tiny vessel, kept cool, until you want ultra-pure Hydrogen to emerge and flow into your WELL SHIELDED Dog Bone reactor. Any metal hydride perfectly stable at ambient conditions will do. Also wise to have another small vessel, also cool, full of activated charcoal at the other end of the Dog Bone to completely purify the Helium off-gas being released to atmosphere. It’s only Lithium 7 you should be loading inside the Dog Bone, or else it may get even more exciting than you want it to – tritium is nasty stuff.
      After loading and thorough purging (with ultra-pure H2) the Dog Bone should be heated slowly & gently fist of all to vaporize & spread the Lithium 7 all around inside, because that creates the necessary Helium diluent (analogous to the nitrogen in atmospheric air we normally use for chemical combustion).

      Then you must heat the Dog Bone up to its operating temperature (above critical) without introducing any Hydrogen. Wait for Helium atmosphere to be established. As Piantelli’s patent says, just temperature and tincture of time, i.e. patience, is a sufficient trigger. Only then, slowly warm up the Hydride feed tank and let some Hydrogen flow into the Dog Bone reactor.

      Why am I telling you all this? Pro Publico Bono. I told Rossi to go public 9 months ago, take the money, be famous and enjoy retirement, but of course he ignored me; he preferred to stay at home in his container and nurse/guard his baby 24/7. If I were the judge when IH and LC meet in court, I would take the rare step of enforcing specific performance of the legal contract by both parties. 90$m is small beer for Darden & Co and the world needs to know all of Rossi’s secrets for lighting this fire in a manner that’s certifiably safe.

      Why now? Because Piantelli’s EP patent has been granted and I assume he has now filed it with WIPO. And because replicators would almost certainly hurt themselves and, more importantly, the reputation of LENR by generating anti-matter (positrons) in their sheds unless they have the above information and understanding, now that the Cat has escaped out of Rossi’s hands. It was always going to happen. Let’s hope us clever moneys can handle it…

      • Bob Greenyer

        Thankyou for this contribution – have you tried this yourself? Is any of what you say conjecture?

        I had recently concluded and communicated publicly here and on our own site that the H2 source should be separate based on the history of the ecat, what Rossi had said in his interview with Ruby Carat and the separate discussion in his patent. It was also based on insight of studying and performing experiments and understanding the physical and chemical dynamics at play.

        Knowing that me356 had an H2 generator, I asked him a few weeks back to put only prepared Nickel and Li in a reactor and then after the Li is wetted to the Nickel, add the H2. It seams that approach is yielding positive results.

        We are planning to build a suitable RF/MW generator as per Piantelli patent.

        We are looking to tungsten shield future designs

        • Ted-Z

          The most dangerous might be nickel carbonyl. However, in an open atmosphere it decomposes in about 1 minute due to the humidity of the air. Nickel carbonyl (volatile) may form to some equilibrium concentration in the reactor mixture. Nickel carbonyl is lethal at 6 ppm in the air. Use a fumehood to open the reactor.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Yes, nickel carbonyl is nasty stuff. But there is no carbon, nor oxygen in this reactor AFAIK; so no carbonyl is possible. But I agree with you suggesting a fume-hood – always good practice.

          • Been there, Seen it

            But the reaction is finished and the blast of radiation has long since departed by the time the container is blown apart.

        • Been there, Seen it

          Some researchers do experiments (good luck to all of you) and other researchers do theoretical thinking to explain past observations and devise future experiments with predictable outcomes to either prove or disprove their hypothesis.

          LENR seems to currently need more expert scientists to try doing the theoretical thinking and explaining of past observations. Based on known nuclear physics, I could not explain (even to myself) how the Lugano experiment could possibly have been for real. The fact that Rossi was alone when he loaded and unloaded his Dog Bone led me to think something was hidden out of sight on both the left and right of the reactor (where it was cooler). My chemical engineering background then led me to imagine a small amount of gas flowing through the reactor (e.g. hydrogen in at one end and helium-rich gas out the other end).

          An amazing amount of information is available via the internet, including all the literature referenced at the bottom of wikipedia articles, and even the temperature/pressure plots from some partially successful LENR experiments (including a Chinese melt-down – very reminiscent of my 1972/73 work). My later professional work used to involve integrating knowledge from multiple sources and then designing enormous new chemical plants to achieve a desired result and a profit (of course).

          Understanding LENR is a really fascinating challenge! Only when us guys can understand LENR (as well as demonstrate it repeatedly) will the world take it seriously. Experimental work will also become less risky. Answer your Q is conjecture…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks for your honesty.

          • Been there, Seen it

            I love your can-do gung-ho attitude. I see why you live and work in the USA (just like Rossi). But please be careful, much more careful. I say again: stop, think, research i.e. spend a month reading everything you can get hold of, and then design a better (and safer) apparatus. Have you been wearing a dosimeter? What does that tell you? Stop. Think.

            Hydrogen in air is not deadly, unless you’re very unlucky. I’ve been there too, but that’s another story (reduction of 15 m3 of nickel). Molten nickel after a run-away is OK too – as long as you catch it if/when it drips out of the damaged reactor. Radiation is the invisible danger before you get residual heat (see my comment above concerning visit to Hiroshima).

            Experiments at home, in sheds, or cobbled together quickly on a lab bench are going to get LENR a very bad reputation.

            Storm’s 2012 paper shows that strange really energetic things happen when you create hydrides in macro-porous metal mixtures. No surprise for me there, and no excess heat by his own admission. Hydrides including those with nickel are a very special form of matter – they MAY perhaps be a micro-scale proton superconductor at room temperature! That would make them very easy to stimulate…

            Your own results are a forest of trees; think about the wood in there. Your COP is obviously close to 1 and skeptics will tell you that thermocouples are unreliable, especially at high temperature. My 6 liter Ni+H reactor had 36 thermocouples IIRC measuring much lower temperatures (most to the time) and there were usually out-liers that had to be ignored and subsequently replaced.

            Rigorous calorimetery (see Parkhomov et al) is obviously the way to demonstrate excess heat in a high COP apparatus. What is your goal? Design your apparatus accordingly.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The bubble detectors we use are closer to the reactor and are industry standard dosimeters.

            I live and work in the Czech Republic – I am here for the experiment.

            Storms works in his garage

            Alan is meticulous with the way he puts his experiments together, and the learning done in his garage is educating universities and commercial players as well as creative independent open researchers.

            I agree on calorimetry.

          • Been there, Seen it

            It looks to me like Storms meticulous experiment has produced (with a high degree of probability) some excess heat (thanks to Parkhomov’s help). Are you allowed to send a sample of that magic 90/10 fuel mixture away for analysis of trace components?

          • Bob Greenyer

            In my understanding, there is a collective body effect reflected in “Signal” that then allows the main heat yielding reaction to commence.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Is this the kind of collective body effect you’re expecting?
            http://www.pnas.org/content/109/37/14791.full.pdf
            I don’t think VanderVaal forces can possibly be strong enough at your reactor conditions. Have you reviewed the significantly revised and clarified version of the LENR cook book I suggested near the top of this thread?

          • Been there, Seen it

            I am trying to find again the video of you holding an instrument in your hand and you saying IIRC: “I looked down and happened to see a neutron go through my hand, scary.” Have you deleted it or can you give me a link to it? A potentially historic moment…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Not really, that was the Fast neutron detector, so not likely to come form any potential reaction in the reactor.

          • Been there, Seen it

            What makes you so sure of that?… It may of course be a co-incidence, but maybe it isn’t. Serendipity is often the best friend of a lucky researcher…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Both me356 and another research group have reported Neutrons with Rossi fuel mix – but neither pinpointed the time and temperature range of their occurrence.

            By the way, there are indications we saw low energy photons in the run and the team may have replicated the effect today.

            From the 19th
            http://i.imgur.com/VpTLsmA.png

            From the 26th

            http://i.imgur.com/Mx33GNW.png

            More investigation needed.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Please may I be the first to congratulate you? EUREKA as the great man Archimedes may perhaps have said! There is a lot of further work and exciting times ahead of you now…

          • Been there, Seen it

            With proof of principle now established on a laboratory bench, commercialization is clearly possible. That was my job during my 35 years working life as a industrial development engineer.

            Re: the fast neutrons. My prediction is that just a SMALL number of fast neutrons will emerge at the same time as the “Signal” begins to indicate that nickel (particularly Ni 61) has been converted to the unknown very heavy nickel intermediate species. I don’t expect there to be any very heavy odd Z isotope of nickel that is even slightly stable for a moment. That odd neutron has got to be discarded and that’s going to be violent. Now that really is Conjecture, with a capital C!

            This won’t be so big a problem when we are all using recycled E-Cat nickel instead of natural nickel. But that’s 30 years from now! Did I hear you say that the price of pure Ni 62 is currently $1,200 per gram, and you’re only the second person who has ever wanted to buy it (the first being Rossi)? Nickel 62 does then become JUST a catalyst, like Rossi has said.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Why is the GS 5-3 still now “On hold for maintenance” as of 04/28/2016 17:14:30? Has it melted, burst or worse? Have you guys stopped doing “Open Science”? If so, please may I have a refund of my donation (#356)! When will you be coming out of the dark and next going public? Or do you have disagreements and/or serious problems within MFMP team? What’s up Bob? I am sitting here with baited breath, waiting, waiting, even loosing sleep, now I have read Bob H’s “Iceberg…” and seen the light.

          • Bob Greenyer

            The GS 5-3 is still on-going even if parked, you can suggest and participate here:

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/522-glowstick-5-3

            and here

            http://mfmp1.chatango.com

            I got stuck in Germany on the way back due to an airport workers strike, then I made a 2 hour lecture on LENR to the Brno University of Technology a few hours after arriving home. The last two days I have spent with my family, which I have been away from for the best part of a month.

            I will be back on it next week.

            The signs of Neutrons were for me the most interesting thing from GS 5.3 – I would suggest you go and look at slow neutron activation of 27 Al. Or protons interacting with 17O

          • Been there, Seen it

            It looks like your super high power proton laser converted 27Al plus p into 28Si (stable) – agreed. But did I hear you say “carbide” at that moment? Have you heard of the triple alpha process, i.e. three 4He convert to 12C, that occurs in stars? Or in your case 7Li plus p into 8Be and then plus 4He converts to 12C (stable). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple-alpha_process

            OMG, Bang was thermonuclear: Alchemy with a vengeance. I say again, be careful, very much more careful. You’re playing with nuclear fire.

          • Bob Greenyer

            Bang was most likely pressure, we had a lot of Al2O3 in it – combined with the fact that the Alumina was in contact with the SiC element in a few places and over a certain temperature, Alumina becomes a conductor.

            We reported on the carbon cycle here

            http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/general-updates/480-five-nines

            We have not tested it yet, mainly because of the risk of forming TetraCarbonyl Nickel.

          • Been there, Seen it

            High fives indeed! I can see now why my 6 liter reactor full of powdered/reduced (carbonyl) nickel plus high-pressure H2 suffered temperature runaways with no Lithium but something else instead in there. It’s all fitting into place beautifully now…

          • Bob Greenyer

            Thanks, but I think we have some hard work and some strong obstacles before we get that far.

          • Been there, Seen it

            You do indeed “have some hard work and some strong obstacles” in front of you but you do have the whole MFMP team to help with all the detail. Whereas YOU are without doubt the best person to COMMUNICATE with us the donors and later the public…

          • Been there, Seen it

            Don’t use tungsten for shielding. I think that was Rossi trying to send his rivals down a blind alley that will lead to total confusion! Stay with lead (or perhaps bismuth) despite the weight involved.

          • Been there, Seen it

            And you will also need a lot more donations. How about my serious idea above? Please can I “buy” an MFMP fridge magnet?

          • Bob Greenyer

            OMG – please – never do that again!!!!

            We are using 1g of total fuel – if this is Nuclear – you want VERY small quantities!

          • Been there, Seen it

            I just have watched again your video of Bang! If that was result with 1g of total fuel, then it wasn’t just “most likely pressure”…

          • Andreas Moraitis

            I think as long as there is a plausible explanation (such as pressure release), you do not need to involve exotic hypotheses. In addition, the amount of hydrogen (10.6 mg) was large enough to melt about 190 mm^3 of the alumina casing via combustion with atmospheric oxygen. The flame temperature should have been sufficient as well. I did this – admittedly provisional – calculation some time ago. You may cross-check it if you want.

          • Been there, Seen it

            What did I do? Did I use the C word again, like as in: “Conjecture” and “Capitalism is f*a*king Gaia”? Or was it you seeing the enormity/singularity !!!! of what the MFMP team is doing?

          • Bob Greenyer

            We have considered it, perhaps we should.

          • Been there, Seen it

            Thanks for your forbearance.

            It’s a pity me356 is “ill” – I hope that’s not radiation sickness, nor a delaying tactic due to a meeting with IH…

            Hydrinos get my vote, as of today!

  • Bob Greenyer

    We are very careful with Hydrogen. Our cell contains a few CCs of H2, I am more worried about the gas boiler in my family home.

  • kdk

    I don’t think we have decades to rely on the chemtrailing… the toxicity is already killing tons of stuff… what if it took 2/3 of to be oil revenue simply to exist in bunkers underground?

    The 9/11 first responders died a lot more quickly from cancer than cold fusion scientists do.

    • Been there, Seen it

      In case you haven’t seen it, here’s a link to the YouTube video of the February 6th 2015 bang. Quote: “Wow, that was spectacular, totally vaporized”.

      http://coldfusionnow.org/mfmp-dog-bone-week-ends-with-cell-popping-bang/

      It’s not the reactor debris, nor the small amount of chemicals released, that are the major danger. It’s the invisible radiation, if that was thermonuclear…

    • Been there, Seen it

      http://coldfusionnow.org/mfmp-dog-bone-week-ends-with-cell-popping-bang/

      Main danger is not reactor debris, nor the small amount of chemicals involved, it’s the radiation IF that was a thermonuclear runaway… Quote “Wow that was exciting! Utterly vaporized it.” Are all you MFMP guys all OK >1 year on? Why has Bob got his right wrist and arm bandaged up to his elbow in latest video?

      • Mats002

        He fell on a bycycle, no kidding.

      • kdk

        When cold fusion “runs away” it blows up the container its in and stops whatever reaction is occurring. It would be a lot easier to steal some radioactive cobalt or other heavy elements and make a dirty bomb that way, than to arrange all of the particles just right to emit tons of radiation using a cold fusion type reaction.

        • Been there, Seen it

          Yes. My experience is that the nickel powder fuses if it gets too hot, the reaction stops, and if the steel reactor bursts, then the hydrogen escapes to atmosphere and blows away in the wind.

          Please could somebody tell Bob that getting on a bycycle is dangerous, especially if he ever comes to London. Many more deaths per year doing that than because of LENR research work.

          However, when you replicators start generating mega amounts of excess heat, then it will be a different situation…

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Rossi knows how to avoid critical operating conditions of his reactors.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    Both.

  • Been there, Seen it

    Because he knows what he is doing. 18 years of research and development experience, plus help from friends, Good shielding has been built into his heat-producing E-Cats.

  • builditnow

    Safety is advisable because the amount of radiation that will kill you, you won’t even notice till it’s too late. I advise being behind a few barrels of water, having safety alerts and a way to remotely kill the reaction and get further away.

    That being said, 26 years of thousands of reactions by top level researchers, these researchers have a great deal of trouble seeing “any” type of dangerous radiation when they try very hard, so, it appears to be pretty darn safe. An explosion I heard of was a confined hydrogen explosion. The meltdowns, more just hot enough to melt the glass container.
    Most of these serious researchers are very comfortable with a decent blast shield and eye protection.

    Don’t let all this hold you back from your experiments.

    • Been there, Seen it

      I was in Hiroshima this time last year. Beautifully rebuilt city. However, the several recorded eye witness accounts (I bought the book) of the injured Japanese (and Korean) people who survived hours, weeks, months or a year (because they were from 2 to 5 kilometers from the epi-center of the radiation blast) are truly TRULY HARROWING. The worst way to die imaginable. Don’t risk it. Even alpha particles can kill you (e.g. Litvinenko in London).

    • Been there, Seen it

      Speaking of using water as a shield, have you seen the weird green-blue light of Cherenkov radiation? I saw it >40 years ago and it was a formative experience that I have never forgotten. It’s like staring at something put on earth by aliens, despite it being a perfectly well understood effect of particles travelling faster than light through water. The company I worked for had a nuclear reactor at the bottom of a 5 meter deep tank of water and yes, there was a kill switch like on all plants – just in case the operators might ever have to make a rapid escape.

    • Been there, Seen it

      Because I agree sincerely with the objectives of the MFMP supporters, here’s a simplified summary of a revised LENR cook book:

      Prepare porous nickel and line reactor
      Load small amount of lithium into reactor (no LiAlH4)
      Reduce the nickel thoroughly using pure hydrogen
      Slowly sublime lithium into the nickel pores
      Cool reactor and back fill with ultra-pure helium
      Install proper lead shielding all around the reactor
      Heat reactor up to high operating temperature
      Switch on stimulation system (as per Piantelli patent)
      Only now let pure hydrogen flow slowly into the reactor
      Watch Geiger counter to check reaction is proceeding
      Keep on heating the reactor to maintain high temperature
      After 30-60 minutes, see if excess heat is being produced.

      For a lot more complex technical detail (if you want it) then see below. Like everything in this field, there is still some conjecture involved.
      And much careful testing and more detailed development work has yet to be performed to produce a certifiably safe new heater.

  • psi2u2

    or was it De Vere, Earl of Oxford…

    Hahaha. Thanks for the mention of this, Been there, Seen it. I have “been there” and “seen it” and I personally am completely convinced that the answer to this parenthetical question is, yes, it was. Another paradigm shift brewing….

    • Been there, Seen it

      But I bet it raised an amused laugh in the audience, like now.

      Many paradigms need to be shifted, some of them in the field of nuclear physics & quantum mechanics. I am hoping I live long enough to see the complete explanation of LENR and the beginning of its application within 10 mega Watt power plants. Building Hinkley Point C is an expensive mistake IMHO.

      • psi2u2

        Agreed, and my comment should not be taken as meaning that the author didn’t *sometimes* feel that way himself. But since he was trained as a lawyer and served as a judge, he did feel that the law was an important part of civilized society, even if it sometimes seems an imponderable tool for justice or equity.

        The legal dimensions of the plays are much more carefully elaborated than is often acknowledged. The author thought more like a judge than a lawyer. He wrestles with what a just application of the law is in a given circumstance.

        Although I am an outsider to both nuclear physics and quantum mechanics, it seems that you are quite correct in your estimation and I look forward to following the story as said paradigm shift emerges via LENR or whatever other new experimental evidence comes forward to support it.

        • Been there, Seen it

          My opinion is that Shakespeare was the Steven Spielberg of his day. His playwrights didn’t have to worry too much about the historical facts, as long as the amusing play was acceptably PC. However, I think he did write some/most of the comic sketches inserted to lighten things up a bit and amuse the groundlings.

          • psi2u2

            Analogy is the weakest (and most likely to be misleading) form of argument.

            http://www.shakespeareoxfordfellowship.org

          • Been there, Seen it

            Thanks for that link to the much better source of proper information, instead of relying upon analogy. I take your point; and it’s timely, as you’ll see this coming week.

            My wife has been for a long-time a member of the Richard III society. What a paradigm shift that was!

  • Been there, Seen it

    When anti-matter is annihilated, nothing at all is ever left behind except the tell-tale radiation.

  • Been there, Seen it

    I agree. And another example concerning knowledge…
    How many people these days have the KNOWLEDGE of how to navigate by the stars when the sky is clear at night? Remember there is no pole star in the Southern sky. Do ships’ captains still have sextants ready at hand for if and when a coronal mass ejection from the sun disables most of the GPS satellites?

  • Been there, Seen it

    Lithium battery technology is still advancing by about 6% per year in terms of the kWh stored per kg weight and also of the cost per kWh stored. It’s getting better (gradually) and will be a great way of utilizing all the Lithium 6 not wanted in the E-Cats…

  • Been there, Seen it

    My issue with solar power is that it generates far less electricity during winter when it’s most needed (and none at night). That’s why I have placed an order for a domestic E-Cat and specified that I want it to generate 7 kW of heat and 1 kW of electricity steadily for a period of 6 months non-stop each winter.

  • Been there, Seen it

    Yes indeed. But the odds of it hitting Earth are small, the same (approximately) as the odds of a big asteroid impact on Earth.
    However, we’ve all seen the videos of the Chelyabinsk event.

    • bachcole

      We’ve also “seen” the 1859 event that took out telegraph stations. Not if, but when.

  • Been there, Seen it

    The link below is to one of the very much better than average pages on Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

    Production processes are commercial secrets, but what is it in particular that you say is “still really nasty.” Looks like reasonably normal industrial chemistry to me. Not ideal, I will admit.

  • Been there, Seen it

    Yes, I also applaud the MFMP effort and have made a small donation. I am sincerely hoping the MFMP guys can provide the evidence/proof that everybody wants to see ASAP

  • Been there, Seen it

    Thanks for sharing your “opinion”. The MFMP guys and me356 have my full support – because I believe rapid commercialization of LENR (first of all for power stations) is the only really viable method we have available for limiting catastrophic climate change on Earth. IMHO, geo-engineering, i.e. putting 20 tonnes of Sulfur up in the stratosphere, would be problematical. I am going public with what little I know about LENR for the sake of my grandchildren and their (as yet unborn) grandchildren…