Steorn Showing Livestream of Orbo Discharge/Recharge Test

There’s a live test being streamed by Steorn of an Orbo test system being tested.

https://www.twitch.tv/orboteam

Watch live video from orboteam on www.twitch.tv

UPDATE: The live stream is now showing here:

https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCi2WPWqzmj6OOVctrGMk1RA/live

Here’s an explanation from the Orbo Facebook page:

This video stream shows an Orbo power cell in long term reliability testing.

The test system comprises of an Orbo power cell that is being shorted through a relay at an approximate frequency of 50Hz (50 times a second). The trace on the scope is the Orbo power cell voltage.

The cell is being shorted and is recharging approximately 4.3 million times per day. Prior to the live stream of this power cell commencing on 12th May 2016 the cell shown had been shorted and recharged in excess of 350 million times.

On the Twitch.tv stream there’s also this comment:

“We have added a small test motor to the live stream, this is a prototype and has only been in lab test for a week or so. Hence there may be a few teething problems, all of which you will get to see live on this channel!”

I’m assuming that this testing is being done prior to any more Orbo products being shipped. I’m not sure how long it will take before they are satisfied that the products are ready. I’ll try and find out more information.

  • gdaigle

    Thanks Frank. Any personal communication yet with Steorn?

  • Frank Acland

    If there are any readers in the Dublin area there’s this invitation: “This stream is live from Steorn’s office in the Docklands Innovation Park, Eastwall Road, Dublin, Ireland. If you would like to see these systems live please drop by during normal office hours.”

  • Andreas Moraitis

    From where do we know that there is relevant discharging in the ‘rectangle’ setup? If the cell has a high inner resistance or if there is an effective short-circuit protection the discharge phases will be negligible. They would have to show voltage and current, at least.

    • Let’s assume there is a reasonable inherent resistance in the Orbo power cell and the output pins are being short-circuited 50 times a second. Also, assume no short circuit protection. How much power is coming out? 1) When the relay is open: no current => no power out. 2) When the relay is closed: no voltage => no power out. – Where is the power going to in case 2 if there is still some current present? Answer: Back to the Orbo power cell – to heat the cell or to be harvested. This is just a strange test with no apparent purpose, certainly not demonstrating power output.

  • Andreas Moraitis

    From where do we know that there is relevant discharging in the ‘rectangle’ setup? If the cell has a high inner resistance or if there is an effective short-circuit protection the discharge phases will be negligible. They would have to show voltage and current, at least.

    • Let’s assume there is a reasonable inherent resistance in the Orbo power cell and the output pins are being short-circuited 50 times a second. Also, assume no short circuit protection. How much power is coming out? 1) When the relay is open: no current => no power out. 2) When the relay is closed: no voltage => no power out. – Where is the power going to in case 2 if there is still some current present? Answer: Back to the Orbo power cell – to heat the cell or to be harvested. This is just a strange test with no apparent purpose, certainly not demonstrating power output.

  • georgehants

    Time for all you lab test guys to put on your white coats and start work again, he he.

    • Sanjeev

      Reliability testing probably involves shorting?
      Hopefully there be energy measurements too. I think we should ask them to do something like we did here, live on the net.

      • Sanjeev

        I just noticed there is the other orbo which is connected to a motor. (The first is connected to a relay).
        Its a load on the orbo, which is a good thing. However needs to be quantified.

        • DFarwell

          I would love to see the specifications on that motor. I believe that type of motor of that size with no load on it could run for weeks if not months on a battery of that size. Your thoughts?

          • Sanjeev

            Yes it will and it will do so with a self charging capacitor too.
            Inconclusive.

    • DFarwell

      Mark while the Orbo pack did start showing some behavior that Shaun had mentioned, it is a bit misleading to not also mention that it does not operate as intended nor does it show proof of Orbo Effect. Some of the anomalies that Frank is seeing that Shaun has mentioned could just be anomalies of the current configuration not necessarily indicative of the Orbo Effect. I just figured that should probably be clarified as Bob is looking for the state of where we are with Orbo. From my view of all the information, I only see a few strange anomalies that could be easily explained via numerous very simple methods.

      • gdaigle

        Several SKDB members replicated and tested components and concepts that were key to Steorn’s demonstrations, such as near-zero friction magnetic bearings and the cancellation of counter-electromotive force in a rotor configuration. By doing so, those members proved the veracity of some of Steorn’s claims. These successful replications kept the membership actively trying to replicate the full “Orbo-effect” employing the Orbo-tech of the moment (mechanical, electromechanical, solid state) despite never having been given an explicit set of plans and materials lists.

        We often wondered if this was due to fears of their IP getting into the wild, or if we were actually a cross-check of how easy/difficult it would be for others to replicate their IP successfully if not given the full recipe. Both suggest that they believe they had something to protect.

        Several attempts came much closer to the break-even point of COP then members (including experienced electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists, etc.) would have thought possible, yet we never were able to prove wrong any claims by Steorn. But, to my knowledge, up to the end of the SKDB no full >1 COP replications were every successfully claimed by SKDB members of any of the above mentioned iterations of Orbo-tech. Frustrating, but not a rejection of their claims.

        As for this electret iteration of Orbo-tech, it feels the same as before. We get hints of what it does, but not exactly how it does it. Demonstrations alone are not proof, but proof is actually not what we should be looking for. Falsifiability is the cornerstone of modern science. Quoting Karl Popper, “It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory — if we look for confirmations.” Popper states that testability is falsifiability. Only through testing can we prove something false. Until then we have to assume the “black swan” technologies that occasionally arise and break inductive reasoning are always possible.

        I am a designer. As a designer I may employ abductive reasoning, where incomplete information can lead to “most likely” explanations in the absence of other indications. I think it is mostly likely that the claims of Steorn are true, but it will require additional exploration to be confirmed.

        • Suresh

          Gdaigle!
          Can you do simulation for electric field intensities of electret by using a software ?

        • Paul

          The battery is dead is dead.

  • georgehants

    Time for all you lab test guys to put on your white coats and start work again, he he.

  • Sanjeev

    Reliability testing probably involves shorting?
    Hopefully there be energy measurements too. I think we should ask them to do something like we did here, live on the net.

    • Sanjeev

      I just noticed there is the other orbo which is connected to a motor. (The first is connected to a relay).
      Its a load on the orbo, which is a good thing. However needs to be quantified.

      • DFarwell

        I would love to see the specifications on that motor. I believe that type of motor of that size with no load on it could run for weeks if not months on a battery of that size. Your thoughts?

        • Sanjeev

          Yes it will and it will do so with a self charging capacitor too.
          Inconclusive.

  • enantiomer2000

    Reliability testing would have been a nice-to-have before they started shipping ocubes that didn’t work. Have they addressed the original problem?

  • Bob

    I followed Frank’s test for quite a while, but after the 3rd week, I am afraid I stopped.
    .
    I realize this is a “lazy request”, but would someone give a brief recap of the conclusion on the two Orbo tests conducted? Does not have to be indepth, i.e. such as “total debunk, no evidence shown”, “total confirmation, recharge shown”, “nothing conclusive – but more negative than positive”, “nothing conclusive – more positive than negative”.
    .
    Thanks

    • Frank thought that he figured out a way to bypass the charge controller, which was believed to have been causing all of the problems, and test on an Orbo Power Pack, directly. Once he did that, Frank started to claim that he saw The Orbo Power Pack starting to behave in the way that Shaun McCarthy of Steorn said that it would behave.

      • DFarwell

        Mark while the Orbo pack did start showing some behavior that Shaun had mentioned, it is a bit misleading to not also mention that it does not operate as intended nor does it show proof of Orbo Effect. Some of the anomalies that Frank is seeing that Shaun has mentioned could just be anomalies of the current configuration not necessarily indicative of the Orbo Effect. I just figured that should probably be clarified as Bob is looking for the state of where we are with Orbo. From my view of all the information, I only see a few strange anomalies that could be easily explained via numerous very simple methods.

    • Don’t listen to that DFarwell dude. He can’t seem to stand it whenever anyone says anything that even sounds like it might be in Steorn’s favor. I posted nothing misleading. What I posted was in line with what actually happened.

      • DFarwell

        Mark personal attacks like that are so childish and unproductive. Lets try our best to keep this on an adult level….I’m sure you can do that.

  • DFarwell

    I have so many problems with this demo. First of all as I would have guessed, the test is being done on a random wood table surface allowing numerous different charging methods via the table surface or simple inductive charging under the table or within the wood top. This could be avoided so simply by putting the devices on a raised glass or plexiglass stand a foot or so above a table or NOT table….Shaun must have guessed people would question the table immediately, which is quite telling. Next we have the fact that a motor that size (most likely extremely low power draw with no load) could easily run for months on a battery pack of that size without a charge. It’s obvious to me why they picked that style of motor. Then we have the absolutely odd and meaningless test of 50hz relay based charge and short sequence. I could go on and on with rudimentary problems with this “demo”. Unfortunately, this is just a new carrot tied on an old stick…..

  • DFarwell

    I have so many problems with this demo. First of all as I would have guessed, the test is being done on a random wood table surface allowing numerous different charging methods via the table surface or simple inductive charging under the table or within the wood top. This could be avoided so simply by putting the devices on a raised glass or plexiglass stand a foot or so above a table or NOT table….Shaun must have guessed people would question the table immediately, which is quite telling. Next we have the fact that a motor that size (most likely extremely low power draw with no load) could easily run for months on a battery pack of that size without a charge. It’s obvious to me why they picked that style of motor. Then we have the absolutely odd and meaningless test of 50hz relay based charge and short sequence. I could go on and on with rudimentary problems with this “demo”. Unfortunately, this is just a new carrot tied on an old stick…..

  • DFarwell

    Wow, this is VERY telling to me…….ask a simple respectful comment and get PERMANENTLY banned. Also notice the wires perfectly draped down the back of the table.

    • enantiomer2000

      There is probably a reason you were banned for asking such an innocuous question. You may have hit the bulls-eye.

      • DFarwell

        I am quite sure that is the case here enantiomer. I believe I asked a very valid question in a very respectful manner, yet I was PERMANENTLY banned from the channel for asking it. If this does not scream scam I do not know what does……

        • Sanjeev

          I recall faintly that we had a long discussion on this matter. This is now well above such cheap tricks and kids games like hiding magnets below the table. Once you take money from customers, the results will be either a working product or a full refund to all or jail time for steorn guys. If they go on delaying then sooner or later someone will sue them. There is no escape.
          I guess this demo is not meant for proving anything (it can’t be done on a live video, there will always be doubts), its just to keep those who are interested updated. The proof is in product and we are all waiting for it. Too early to jump to conclusions.

          • DFarwell

            Sanjeev would you not admit that a permanent ban from the channel for a respectful valid question causes an intelligent person to question motive? Would you not also agree the question itself is not only completely valid, but would immediately clear up question and skepticism? As a serious skeptic of Orbo I can tell this would go a million miles for me, The fact that a motor that size would run on a battery that size for a month is an issue too, but still the former point would be HUGE to us. I have a feeling other critical thinking skeptics would agree. This is just a bit offensive to an intelligent mind to not have the devices up off the table especially since we know they use alot of plexiglass and lexan in other experiments within Steorn.

          • Sanjeev

            Its not a sign of intelligence to assume that putting those black bricks on glass table will be an “undeniable proof” of it.
            If there is a battery in there, it will perform just as good on a wooden table or a glass table. (Do I really need to say that ;))
            What about wireless transmission of power to it? What about other million ways a video can be faked? Will a video satisfy any intelligent person? The answer is – only a product will do that, no amount of video or demos will help. You went ahead and asked for “proof”, even if politely, but I guess they are tired of this game. Let them release a product, and if it works there is your proof, else it joins the heap of failed techs.

          • DFarwell

            Sanjeev…no one is talking about undeniable proof by any means…I am just simply talking about a couple steps that even a 9yr old child just learning electronics would point out. Get the devices off the table…looks too fishy and use a recognizable motor or load that is sized to be able to be discharged in a reasonable amount of time to actually show us anything. I am still deeply baffled by the 50hz test as it is such an odd unconventional test that provides proof of absolutely nothing. I know I have beaten this horse at this point, but if Steorn is going to invite the public to an online streaming demo to show off long term testing, I think it is VERY advantageous to at least eliminate a couple variables that would take but a few minutes that would actually show us at least something of substance. What I see currently is nothing but yet another calculated delay.

    • Maybe they’re just tired of dealing with people who don’t believe them, or who think that this should be some kind of rock-solid test, rather than just a simple demonstration. I’m like that on my blog, where I tell people that I will ban them for any reason that I damn well want, or even for no reason at all, if I want. Admittedly, very few people comment on my blog, (and, also, very few read my blog) but I would rather have nobody commenting rather than a lot of people commenting that make me mad.

      • Phillip

        What is the point of the demo if not to show some sort of proof it works? They could have just hooked up a little whirligig to black housing with some batteries inside and said “This is how Orbo will work.” No Orbo necessary.

        Or hooked up a scope to a power source that switches on and off every 50hz. No Orbo necessary.

        Or… maybe that is exactly what they did.

        That is why something a little more definitive would make sense to any logical person trying to show off Fire 2.0. Especially after the twelfth time doing it.

        • What was the point of the demo? Full stop, right there. They don’t owe you any kind of an explanation of what their point was, nor do I.

          • Phillip

            Well they did invite me to watch their demo so it seems natural to have questions when I take them up on the offer.

            And I’m not skeptical of incredible new sources of energy, I’m just skeptical that anybody would take this route to introduce one.

            So your righteous indignation has been noted as has your lack of basic analytical capability.

      • DFarwell

        Mark I would agree with you if I had asked anything other than a very valid and respectful question that would actually help them GREATLY stomp out skeptics. I am a HUGE skeptic of Orbo, but I have to admit if Shaun put the motor and devices up on a clear plexiglass stand at least a foot off the table…well and actually used a motor that would NOT be able to easily run on a battery that size for a month, I would have to admit the Orbo effect is possible. There is also the issue that the view has been blocked more than once now which will give skeptics fuel, Shaun should try not to step in front of the camera for extended periods of time as I have already seen twice. Permanently banning me for asking that question looks beyond shady by all means and measure in my opinion they could have answered the question or just deleted it, not a permanent ban.

        • Yeah, it was respectful, but they still didn’t seem to like it. I’m the same way, a lot of the time. I think that they were just putting out a demo for anyone who wanted to see it. I don’t think that they’re trying to convince anyone with demos, at this point. I don’t think that they think that most will be convinced with a demo, and, besides, if they do get a working product in the market, then that will be all that matters for them.

          • DFarwell

            I can understand that perspective Mark, but it just makes no sense to not only allow such an obvious demo problem as having it on a wood table that could be resolved in about 2 minutes, but to then permanently ban a question regarding it. We are talking about engineers at Steorn who have dealt with over 10 years of skepticism. Would you not at least agree this makes very little sense and screams “shady”?

          • From your perspective, I can see how it seems to make little sense. I will NOT agree, though, that it “screams shady,” and I think that’s a really bad attitude to have, especially when I pointed out another possibility to you.

          • DFarwell

            Fair enough, especially on the bad attitude lol, I am just so worn out by Shaun over so many years. Would you not at least concede that it will look bad if Shaun does not take 2 minutes to put them up on clear stands now that it has been mentioned and will most likely become a huge issue going forward for most people? Also curious what are your thoughts on that size/type motor running with no load on that size black box potentially housing a high capacity battery? I suspect it could run for weeks maybe months. Very strange choice of motor..especially watching how it spins, it almost looks like its a super thin rotor without precision. Odd.

          • Whether or not it will look bad is going to depend on a lot of things. I don’t really care much, myself. I just want one of the game controllers. I don’t know what to think about the motor. The thing that I agree with is being burned out on all of this, and having a problem with the incompetence of the dudes working at Steorn, missing deadlines and not delivering and stuff.

  • enantiomer2000

    There is probably a reason you were banned for asking such an innocuous question. You may have hit the bulls-eye.

    • DFarwell

      I am quite sure that is the case here enantiomer. I believe I asked a very valid question in a very respectful manner, yet I was PERMANENTLY banned from the channel for asking it. If this does not scream scam I do not know what does……

      • Sanjeev

        I recall faintly that we had a long discussion on this matter. This is now well above such cheap tricks and kids games like hiding magnets below the table. Once you take money from customers, the results will be either a working product or a full refund to all or jail time for steorn guys. If they go on delaying then sooner or later someone will sue them. There is no escape.
        I guess this demo is not meant for proving anything (it can’t be done on a live video, there will always be doubts), its just to keep those who are interested updated. The proof is in product and we are all waiting for it. Too early to jump to conclusions.

        • DFarwell

          Sanjeev would you not admit that a permanent ban from the channel for a respectful valid question causes an intelligent person to question motive? Would you not also agree the question itself is not only completely valid, but would immediately clear up question and skepticism? As a serious skeptic of Orbo I can tell this would go a million miles for me, The fact that a motor that size would run on a battery that size for a month is an issue too, but still the former point would be HUGE to us. I have a feeling other critical thinking skeptics would agree. This is just a bit offensive to an intelligent mind to not have the devices up off the table especially since we know they use alot of plexiglass and lexan in other experiments within Steorn.

          • Sanjeev

            Its not a sign of intelligence to assume that putting those black bricks on glass table will be an “undeniable proof” of it.
            If there is a battery in there, it will perform just as good on a wooden table or a glass table. (Do I really need to say that ;))
            What about wireless transmission of power to it? What about other million ways a video can be faked? Will a video satisfy any intelligent person? The answer is – only a product will do that, no amount of video or demos will help. You went ahead and asked for “proof”, even if politely, but I guess they are tired of this game. Let them release a product, and if it works there is your proof, else it joins the heap of failed techs.

          • DFarwell

            Sanjeev…no one is talking about undeniable proof by any means…I am just simply talking about a couple steps that even a 9yr old child just learning electronics would point out. Get the devices off the table…looks too fishy and use a recognizable motor or load that is sized to be able to be discharged in a reasonable amount of time to actually show us anything. I am still deeply baffled by the 50hz test as it is such an odd unconventional test that provides proof of absolutely nothing. I know I have beaten this horse at this point, but if Steorn is going to invite the public to an online streaming demo to show off long term testing, I think it is VERY advantageous to at least eliminate a couple variables that would take but a few minutes that would actually show us at least something of substance. What I see currently is nothing but yet another calculated delay.

          • Zephir

            I guess yes, because Steorn’s electret is black and supercapacitors are also formed with graphite. If we charge it, the the tiny barriers between graphite platelets could serve like the tunneling diode rectifying thermal voltage noise formed with quantum fluctuations within the material (search from “captret” or “crystal cells” for to find similar devices)

  • DFarwell

    Frank, as you speak to Shaun occasionally, do you think it might be advantageous to suggest to Shaun that he put the devices up on plexiglass or lexan stands to squash the immediate obvious elephant in the room of inductive or hidden power sources in the wood table? Many of Steorn’s past experiments utilized plexiglass and/or lexan and I have seen scraps of it in the Irish Times video laying around the lab, therefore it should not take but a few minutes to get the devices and motor up off the table. I would also suggest he move the wires hidden down the back of the table. An additional test on a motor that would NOT potentially run for weeks if not months on a LiPo battery of that size would also go a million miles for us skeptics. I know we have no right to demand anything from Steorn, but if you talk to him, I think these things would do SO much for this test and his credibility. Just a suggestion.

  • Yeah, it was respectful, but they still didn’t seem to like it. I’m the same way, a lot of the time. I think that they were just putting out a demo for anyone who wanted to see it. I don’t think that they’re trying to convince anyone with demos, at this point. I don’t think that they think that most will be convinced with a demo, and, besides, if they do get a working product in the market, then that will be all that matters for them.

    • DFarwell

      I can understand that perspective Mark, but it just makes no sense to not only allow such an obvious demo problem as having it on a wood table that could be resolved in about 2 minutes, but to then permanently ban a question regarding it. We are talking about engineers at Steorn who have dealt with over 10 years of skepticism. Would you not at least agree this makes very little sense and screams “shady”?

  • Just to irritate
    The crystal cell that I constructed using copper pipe, Magnesium anode,
    several cheap chemicals Bicarbonate of soda being one.( just for comical relief.)
    The cell gives out 1.4 volts at 10milli amp every hour continually for the last 3 months.
    I have three cells in series driving 4 flashing 3 volt 1.8mm green LED’s.
    They just do not give up. Ok the cell voltage drops to 1.1 volts per cell but does not go lower.
    Working on putting some copper plates and sheet magnesium in a plastic lunch box.
    To see what I get. Hoping to power a grass cutting robot with it.

    • SG

      Okay, I’ll bite. What are your objectives? Do you plan on open sourcing your design? Are you planning on starting a company? Are you looking to raise money from investors? I’ve seen you post before, and what you post seems interesting, but would be nice if you let us know where you are going with this.

      • DFarwell

        I may be wrong here….but I believe he may be making fun of the odd unconventional test they are using to prove operation…rather than something simple like an LED or a recognizable motor. Don’t mean to put words in his mouth but just my guess….

        • SG

          LEDs and motors are actually not good ways to test. Without a good scope and power analyzer, resistors and a voltmeter are the next best approach, which is what the ECW community arrived at doing with the Steorn hardware that is currently in Frank’s possession.

          • DFarwell

            Of course without a doubt, the best demo would be standard metering and analysis equipment, but at least an LED or panel of LEDs , or even common motor that we could find the specifications of would be something versus what we have in this demo. From an engineers perspective, I see nothing of substance in this demo as it sits in this configuration….quite the opposite actually. At very least some LEDs would be something to observe…especially if we are to believe this will power a cellphone!

          • SG

            The problem with LEDs is that they do not have consistent power consumption. Take a look at the power characteristics of an LED. Yeah, they are nice to look at, but not very good for determining the performance characteristics of the Orbo.

          • DFarwell

            Something tells me we wont be getting LEDs or metering/power analysis. Looks like we wait until he ties the next new carrot on the stick…

          • DrD

            Yes, they may look interesting but are a waste of time from an analytical point of view. Why waste time, get straight to the heart of the matter with some simple energy test. I’m puzzled why Steorn are doing this. It demonstrates it’s abilty to survive many brief short circuits but not much else.

        • Derrr! I hate that wabit.

      • Please Read my reply to Zephir.

        • SG

          I see no reply to Zephir in this thread. If you are referring to another thread, then it might help to point out which one. Am I missing something?

          • Ok be like that.
            But the thread is above.
            Also the one you replied to me on.
            Just saying!

          • SG

            I see it now. Sometimes Disqus doesn’t seem to update in real time. Anyway, sorry for the implication.

          • Ok! just of to get me a rabbit.

    • Zephir

      The problem is both copper both magnesium can be components of common electrochemical cell too and the magnesium anode is energetically quite rich in addition. Without careful energy output measurements we cannot judge, if your cell operates as an overunity device or as a plain battery.

      • Its A crystal cell battery.
        I throttled it to 10 mille amp.
        They can give more, but slowly sink.( get 25ma for 2 hours, then sink, recharge in an hour)
        Take the load away and they recharge.
        Check them out on the web. Piece of piss really.
        Going to try and power arduino brained grass knibbler.
        Will be using 600 MAH 1.2 volt Ni-MH cells for bulk storage.
        l aim to cut grass at 30square foot an hour.
        Maybe use solar panel as additional power source.
        Local rabbits do it all the time.

        • Zephir

          /* The cell gives out 1.4 volts at 10milli amp every hour continually for the last 3 months. I have three cells in series driving 4 flashing 3 volt 1.8mm green LED’s. */
          I highly appreciate all experimenters, but this performance is nothing, what the common battery couldn’t manage too…

          • Irritating, is it Not?

          • Zephir

            Note that Bedini used graphite powder in his crystal cells too. http://www.energeticforum.com/john-bedini/7351-bedini-earth-light.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifEgWY5mr_s
            The usage of piezoelectric Rochelle salt is IMO important too: the purpose of electret is to generate the voltage spikes, which result from thermal fluctuations of material, whereas the carbon particles serve as a tunnel diodes (with low internal capacity) and they rectify these spikes. The black color, capacitor behavior, strong voltage noise and significant piezoelectricity are all observable at the videos of Steorn’s electret. The usage of bimetal electrodes is not nearly necessary – it just provides the necessary voltage difference, which is required for the successful working of tunnel junctions (the system would be otherwise quite symmetric). Steorn solves it by incorporating classical battery into his device, because the rectifying effect of tunnel junction is the better, the higher voltage is on it.

            This OrboCube is not so mystic, if you know where to look at it and it’s based on principles and phenomena, which got recognized in overunity community for some time already…

  • DFarwell

    Fair enough, especially on the bad attitude lol, I am just so worn out by Shaun over so many years. Would you not at least concede that it will look bad if Shaun does not take 2 minutes to put them up on clear stands now that it has been mentioned and will most likely become a huge issue going forward for most people? Also curious what are your thoughts on that size/type motor running with no load on that size black box potentially housing a high capacity battery? I suspect it could run for weeks maybe months. Very strange choice of motor..especially watching how it spins, it almost looks like its a super thin rotor without precision. Odd.

    • Whether or not it will look bad is going to depend on a lot of things. I don’t really care much, myself. I just want one of the game controllers. I don’t know what to think about the motor. The thing that I agree with is being burned out on all of this, and having a problem with the incompetence of the dudes working at Steorn, missing deadlines and not delivering and stuff.

  • Frank Acland

    I wonder if we have any readers in the Dublin area. There was invitation on the chat that said “This stream is live from Steorn’s office in the Docklands Innovation Park, Eastwall Road, Dublin, Ireland. If you would like to see these systems live please drop by during normal office hours.”

  • Frank Acland

    I wonder if we have any readers in the Dublin area. There was invitation on the chat that said “This stream is live from Steorn’s office in the Docklands Innovation Park, Eastwall Road, Dublin, Ireland. If you would like to see these systems live please drop by during normal office hours.”

  • DFarwell

    What are everyone’s thoughts on the motor/Orbo setup we are looking at? Here are a few thoughts I have. A motor that size and type could easily run for weeks if not months on a high cap battery the size of the Orbo device as it has no load. I find it strange to use such an odd unrecognized probably custom motor to demonstrate the Orbo cell. When you watch the rotor top of the motor, it almost looks like it is a super light or thin cylinder spinning that would aid to energy conservation, this potential tactic has been used with other “over unity” devices before. This just doesn’t feel right to me….tell me if I am off base here.

    • SG

      My thoughts are that it is useless to speculate on what is going on in the live stream. We need more physical hardware to play with. They’ve promised to provide Frank with just that in due course. Then we can explore this enigma some more.

      • DFarwell

        I would agree with you if we were not deeply in a situation of “boy who cried wolf” for so many years with Steorn. I think it is very interesting to look at the details of what Steorn puts forth in efforts like this as they scream volumes in my opinion. As they say, the devil is in the details……

      • DrD

        I agree.

        • gdaigle

          My guess is that it is approaching a plateau where it will stabilize at a constant voltage. Don’t assume that the drop represents a linear function. We can check in another 3 days, which will give us 2 points on a line. At least 3 points are required for non-linear functions, so has anyone grabbed screenshots over the past 3 days?

      • Matt

        They are testing. Nobody really knows exactly what, but they are testing. And the motor is spinning. Nobody really knows why, but it is spinning.

  • DFarwell

    What are everyone’s thoughts on the motor/Orbo setup we are looking at? Here are a few thoughts I have. A motor that size and type could easily run for weeks if not months on a high cap battery the size of the Orbo device as it has no load. I find it strange to use such an odd unrecognized probably custom motor to demonstrate the Orbo cell. When you watch the rotor top of the motor, it almost looks like it is a super light or thin cylinder spinning that would aid to energy conservation, this potential tactic has been used with other “over unity” devices before. This just doesn’t feel right to me….tell me if I am off base here.

    • SG

      My thoughts are that it is useless to speculate on what is going on in the live stream. We need more physical hardware to play with. They’ve promised to provide Frank with just that in due course. Then we can explore this enigma some more.

      • DFarwell

        I would agree with you if we were not deeply in a situation of “boy who cried wolf” for so many years with Steorn. I think it is very interesting to look at the details of what Steorn puts forth in efforts like this as they scream volumes in my opinion. As they say, the devil is in the details……

      • DrD

        I agree.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It’s a shame they could not find a practical use for the technology.

    • gdaigle

      Those of us in the SKDB tried for months to develop ideas for desktop toys employing the electromechanical version of the Orbo. We even developed some ideas for the mechanical version, but none of these were realized by Steorn. In a private group visited by Steorn I did suggest a design for a simple homopolar motor using the Orbo material, but I believe their focus for the past year has been on practical uses.

  • Ophelia Rump

    It’s a shame they could not find a practical use for the technology.

    It would have been better if they made an affordable toy then people would at least become exposed to the potential and maybe it would have a chance of surviving and growing into something practical in a generation or two. I don’t see a future for it unless Steorn can get it to produce practical output in a hurry.

    • gdaigle

      Those of us in the SKDB tried for months to develop ideas for desktop toys employing the electromechanical version of the Orbo. We even developed some ideas for the mechanical version, but none of these were realized by Steorn. In a private group visited by Steorn I did suggest a design for a simple homopolar motor using the Orbo material, but I believe their focus for the past year has been on practical uses.

      • Since you were in the SKDB I am curious if you feel they have proved the technology?

        • gdaigle

          Several SKDB members replicated and tested components and concepts that were key to Steorn’s demonstrations, such as near-zero friction magnetic bearings and the cancellation of counter-electromotive force in a rotor configuration. By doing so, those members proved the veracity of some of Steorn’s claims. These successful replications kept the membership actively trying to replicate the full “Orbo-effect” employing the Orbo-tech of the moment (mechanical, electromechanical, solid state) despite never having been given an explicit set of plans and materials lists.

          We often wondered if this was due to fears of their IP getting into the wild, or if we were actually a cross-check of how easy/difficult it would be for others to replicate their IP successfully if not given the full recipe. Both suggest that they believe they had something to protect.

          Several attempts came much closer to the break-even point of COP than members (including experienced electrical engineers, mechanical engineers, physicists, etc.) would have thought possible, yet we never were able to prove wrong any claims by Steorn. But, to my knowledge, up to the end of the SKDB no full >1 COP replications were every successfully claimed by SKDB members of any of the above mentioned iterations of Orbo-tech. Frustrating, but not a rejection of their claims.

          As for this electret iteration of Orbo-tech, it feels the same as before. We get hints of what it does, but not exactly how it does it. Demonstrations alone are not proof, but proof is actually not what we should be looking for. Falsifiability is the cornerstone of modern science. Quoting Karl Popper, “It is easy to obtain confirmations, or verifications, for nearly every theory — if we look for confirmations.” Popper states that testability is falsifiability. Only through testing can we prove something false. Until then we have to assume the “black swan” technologies that occasionally arise and break inductive reasoning are always possible.

          I am a designer. As a designer I may employ abductive reasoning, where incomplete information can lead to “most likely” explanations in the absence of other indications. I think it is mostly likely that the claims of Steorn are true, but it will require additional exploration to be confirmed.

          • Suresh

            Gdaigle!
            Can you do simulation for electric field intensities of electret by using a software ?

  • Anon2012_2014

    Frank: What was the overall power (continuous equivalent) from the Orbo you tested? I.e. 35 mW equivalent? 3 mW equivalent. I am trying to decide if it is useful.

    Also, did the readership decide that they knew what was the source of the power, i.e. electret charging had to come from somewhere due to conservation of energy?

    As we left off, I thought it was some kind of RF energy harvester, perhaps in the ULF frequency band. What was the consensus opinion?

    Anyway, thanks for all the work. I have a prototype energy harvester on the living room coffee table that I got too busy during tax time to continue playing with it.

    • DrD

      The energy log is here:
      https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UBIA4JTDb_kBwoytR9LP7OP7tH63yUeiPn2kKye4frY/edit#gid=0
      As you know, it isn’t working anything like intended, in fact Frank managed to disable and bypass the apparently faulty upconverter/regulator and electret generator cell. So the output is coming directly from the orbo (electret?) bias cell which was really only intended to provide bias to the main output electret. My estimation was that it was capable of delivering about 15uW to 20uW continuously (no external input at all, eg. no bias battery). Operating with charge discharge cycles (more consistent with the way Steorn claim it should operate) it seemed to be delivering a slightly higher average nett power but not much. THe question remained, was this consistent with conventional energy harvesting or a hidden battery? We weren’t able to answer that.
      I trust Frank will correct me if any of that sounds wrong?

      • SG

        Nice summary.

  • Zapece

    They need to scale it so its much cheaper and useful off grid overnight drip charging of batteries for instance. with 2 metre by 2 metre plates and self assembly instructions.

  • Zapece

    My point is if this is an energy generation technology as they claim it should scale consistently, not to mention be great for people off grid in the countryside with huge amounts of space and large periods of darkness in the winter if it works.

  • enantiomer2000

    livestream is down. must be a faulty circuit. Give them 3 months to address that.

    • passerby

      Roasted

    • Sanjeev

      Working for me.
      Although not terribly interesting.

      • enantiomer2000

        It was down just long enough to change out the zerof ball bearings which got hot from the camera lights

  • Tedd Jensen

    Is there any connection with this devise?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLGtWEmTGl4

  • Suresh

    I gave the similar Idea of An Innovative Method of Electric Current Generation (2004), i presented that idea of using electret in International conference also , but there was no good response .
    The electrostatic force is more suitable to use as inherent property source. In this paper a new method of electric current by using constant electrostatics field has been discussed and a mathematical relation between the potential difference and electrostatic charge has been developed.
    This method can be divided into three steps:
    1) Fundamental
    2) Equivalent circuit
    3) How it can be used as a potential source of electricity
    When a metal rod is placed in the electric field of a point negative charge then the electrons inside the metal rod, will be repelled by a repulsion force as shown by arrow direction. The electric field can be cut from a particular direction by an earthed metal plate. When four negative charges are placed near the corner of metal frame and they shield the electric field from a particular direction as shown in fig.1,the acting force on the electron which is inside the metal will be as shown by arrow and these will make a closed loop . The force acting on the electron will be continuous and constant. The electric current, which flows in the opposite direction of the electron movement, will be induced in the metal frame.

    http://extremelycleandetail.blogspot.com/2011/11/energy-can-be-created-innovative-method.html

    • enantiomer2000

      Yeah, it’ll have a hiccup, then suddenly the voltage shoots back up. Don’t like it? Banned!

  • Suresh

    I gave the similar Idea of An Innovative Method of Electric Current Generation (2004), i presented that idea of using electret in International conference also , but there was no good response .
    The electrostatic force is more suitable to use as inherent property source. In this paper a new method of electric current by using constant electrostatics field has been discussed and a mathematical relation between the potential difference and electrostatic charge has been developed.
    This method can be divided into three steps:
    1) Fundamental
    2) Equivalent circuit
    3) How it can be used as a potential source of electricity
    When a metal rod is placed in the electric field of a point negative charge then the electrons inside the metal rod, will be repelled by a repulsion force as shown by arrow direction. The electric field can be cut from a particular direction by an earthed metal plate. When four negative charges are placed near the corner of metal frame and they shield the electric field from a particular direction as shown in fig.1,the acting force on the electron which is inside the metal will be as shown by arrow and these will make a closed loop . The force acting on the electron will be continuous and constant. The electric current, which flows in the opposite direction of the electron movement, will be induced in the metal frame.

    http://extremelycleandetail.blogspot.com/2011/11/energy-can-be-created-innovative-method.html

    • Cool! So, in your opinion, do you believe that we could replicate The Orbo Effect using a “normal” electret?

      • Suresh

        I can replicate the effect if i get the Canuba wax Electret ( 10 Numbers, Dia 4 cm , Thickness 0.5 cm), working model can be ready
        within one week

        • DFarwell

          That is a diagram for an old Jefimenko electret motor from the late 60s or early 70s. You do know that a slot effect electret motor like the one you posted in perfect lab conditions supposedly only turned 60 revolutions per minute and develop a millionth of a horsepower and required a 24-foot antenna having a small polonium probe at the end. This is not even confirmed to be true (I personally do not believe it), but even going on that premise, while it would be fun to watch, it would have no real use beyond entertainment. I am just curious why you would go this route to replicate the Orbo effect when the Jefimenko electret motor is already known to NOT be anything like what is claimed to be the Orbo Effect.

          • Suresh

            I predict the similar product of Orbo , where the mA current will flow in the circuit.
            for the expemental point of view Jeffimenko’s electret will be the best to make a ORBO replica

            i upload my full explanation on the below link
            https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B97CWX9ekSaYOWtXcmtaUXNwZG8/view?pref=2&pli=1

          • DFarwell

            How do you intend to harvest the energy that Jeffimenko drew via a 24-foot antenna having a small polonium probe at the end? And do you hope to achieve better than millionth of a horsepower as Jeffimenko claimed to do? The technology would be fairly useless anywhere near any output levels that low I would think.

          • Suresh, I would advise you to not pay attention to DFarwell, because he is acting more and more like a pseudoskeptic as time goes on. He cant seem to stand that you and I are taking seriously the possibility that we might be able to replicate The Orbo Effect with another kind of machine. Instead of wishing us the best of luck, he tries to discourage us by acting as if it’s justified for him to be confident that we are going to fail. He should know better than to do that. I don’t think that anything is ever absolutely proven or disproven, and he should know that. Even many things that have been thought to have been “proved” have turned out to be reversed, like this:

            http://www.snopes.com/college/homework/unsolvable.asp

        • Sounds good. I’m going to look into this some more. Thanks for letting us know about it!

  • Hey, Frank, some dude on the Steorn Facebook page said that the peak voltage line, or something like that, is slowly getting lower. Isn’t that also what happened with your tests?

    • gdaigle

      If you look at the image posted by DFarwell from 3 days, ago you will see a higher voltage. I superimposed that previously taken image with one taken a few minutes ago. The drop in voltage is clear. I was careful to make sure that the scale was the same on both.

      The timestamp on the scope in the earlier image appears to be 12 May 19:51 (could be 13:51), whereas the more recent image is timestamped 15 May 14:12. That is a difference of 66 hrs : 21 minutes. If the scale is 50.0 mV what drop in voltage per hour does that represent?

      • enantiomer2000

        It definitely looks like the orbo unit is running out of juice. Could Steorn really have been deluding themselves all of these years or are they really aware of the scam?

        • gdaigle

          My guess is that it is approaching a plateau where it will stabilize at a constant voltage. Don’t assume that the drop represents a linear function. We can check in another 3 days, which will give us 2 points on a line. At least 3 points are required for non-linear functions, so has anyone grabbed screenshots over the past 3 days?

          • DFarwell

            See my post above. I over-layed 3 screen shots so far and it is absolutely dropping. Unfortunately it is a bit hard to quantify the pixels of 3 screenshots to determine the exact curve, but I think what we are seeing is quite indicative of a fairly linear drop. I wish I had to resources to record the stream 24/7 because I have see Shaun and another individual step completely in front of the camera blocking the entire view of the devices. I find this very troubling as there is no reason to completely step in front of the camera and it allows for an explaination if all of a sudden we see these values go back up or plateau. I was not quick enough with the screen grab to capture the last time Shaun blocked the whole view. His Orbo tattoo was a dead giveaway of who it was…..

      • Huh? Are you asking me what some of the readings represent? Damned if I know. All I know is that somebody else responded on the Steorn Facebook page claiming that the drop is not unexpected and that he thought that it would hit a plateau, at some point. Anyway, I’m already moving on from the test and looking forward. I noticed that something far more significant than the test might have happened while nobody was looking. I went to Steorn’s online store, orbo.com, and I saw, for the first time in a long time, that the products are NOT marked as “Sold Out.” Unless there was some kind of an error, it would appear that Orbo products are back one sale!

        • DFarwell

          Looks like it allows you to go all the way to the payment screen in the cart for both devices. Steorn has conveniently allowed themselves another month and half delay on the Ocube and 3 months delay on the Ophone at a minimum (minus shipping times). And the ever so dented, scratched yet captivating can gets kicked a bit further down the road……

  • Dave

    The amplitude has dropped from 200mV to 150mV since the livestream start. Also, the signal is around 5.5Hz, not 50Hz.

    • Sanjeev

      I also noticed the somewhat strange readings on the scope. It should be a few volts (>2V?). If its in mV, it may not be a finished component for charging a phone (then why is it in the form of a black resin brick?)
      The frequency measurement says <10Hz, so that is also puzzling. From the 100ms/div on the display we get about 200ms as the period, which is 5Hz. Somewhere there is a factor of 10 missing.

      • DFarwell

        If these boxes are putting out millivolts, that would also explain the use of the strange unknown motor they are using for the demonstration. I am speculating from the photo, but I have a feeling the rotor on that motor is an extremely thin light disk that draws almost no current as it creates very little load. I say this because it has a flimsy look to it from the motion blur of the low frame rate. You can see there is a lack of precision in its rotation from the pattern on the top between some frames. This could be due to an inconsistency in the coloring of the paint or blue anodization (which ever is being used there), but it really appears to be due more to the design and/or construction. Because of this as well as the strange configuration, you can imagine it almost balancing on a center pivot like magnetic levtation device/toy. It looks as if it may be magnetically pulsed and metered (tach) which could allow for load-less operation for AGES on a battery that size (I know I mentioned this previously). This is speculation from decades of experience with electric motors, especially since I cannot figure out for the life of me why they used such an odd unconventional motor for the test unless it is for reasons I suspect…

  • Sanjeev

    I also noticed the somewhat strange readings on the scope. It should be a few volts (>2V?). If its in mV, it may not be a finished component for charging a phone (then why is it in the form of a black resin brick?)
    The frequency measurement says <10Hz, so that is also puzzling. Somewhere there is a factor of 10 missing.

  • DFarwell

    There is no doubt that it is continuing to drop. Here are 3 readings layered over each other…1,2 and 3 in chronological order. Should be interesting to see how far this trend continues before either the stream “has a hiccup” or some other interesting reason for a reset….. I plan to continue to watch and progress this image.

    • enantiomer2000

      Yeah, it’ll have a hiccup, then suddenly the voltage shoots back up. Don’t like it? Banned!

      • DFarwell

        That actually happened to me! Take a look below in the thread and see the screenshot. I can’t think of a better way to make a person think you are hiding something than permanently banning them for asking a respectful valid question.

  • Xavier Pitz

    It doesn’t only drops. It fluctuates. But it has a dropping trend for the moment.
    See the following “timelapse” : http://ovh.to/8mQtsSa

    • DrD

      It’s just that it isn’t synced. Thats what the horizontal junder is. No idea why they would chose not to sync it.

  • Xavier Pitz

    It doesn’t only drops. It fluctuates. But it has a dropping trend for the moment.
    See the following “timelapse” : http://ovh.to/GQbpTTB

    • DrD

      It’s just that it isn’t synced. Thats what the horizontal junder is. No idea why they would chose not to sync it.

  • DFarwell

    Just as I predicted they changed up the live stream and magically the dramatic drops have stopped on the scope. In exchange we now have a blurry closeup of the Frankenstein motor they are oddly using. Steorn is so predictable at this point…

  • I had, previously, said that I saw that Orbo products were back on sale on orbo.com. However, I just went there, again, and I saw that the products are marked as “Sold Out,” again. It appears more likely that the brief period of time when the Orbo products seemed to be on sale was due to some sort of error.

  • DFarwell

    Something tells me that Frank will not be receiving a working unit anytime soon. The fact that they are still testing the cells in this live demo using extremely odd unconventional tests that display absolutely nothing of substance, rather than powering something that would actually give ANY insight into actual product operation is VERY telling to say the least. It would be incredibly easy for them to hook up a load and meter and let us see the device operating as it would as a market product. We are being shown the testing equivalent of a shiny nickel here.

    • DrD

      It does seem that way.

      • Zephir

        IMO it shouldn’t be so difficult to isolate the Orbo unit out of epoxide with proper equipment – but Frank is apparent amateur and he did his very best in this matter. I’m pretty sure, the testing of Orbo changed his private life quite a lot…;-)

  • OM
  • Dave

    Is that motor spinning slower over time? Sometimes it appears to change speed.

    • At one point I thought it might actually be going faster but honestly who knows

  • Xavier Pitz

    On a rise since last night :
    http://ovh.to/GQbpTTB

    • gdaigle

      Yes, I am seeing a cycle as well. The first image showing a side-by-side comparison shows a shift over a 11.5 hr period. The second image with the graph shows part of a larger tracking of the oscillation where I placed a blue curve on grabs from the hubiC site using the timecode of the grabs. The upper numbers are minutes since the previous grab and lower numbers are the timecode of the hubiC images. My best estimation from this is a half cycle (peak to valley) every 4 hours or so, full cycle every 8 hours… but it could be more often.

      • gdaigle

        Well, that was a bust. After tracking every half hour for 8 hours, then hourly for another 4 hours, I see no discernible periodicity in the scope readings.

        • Suresh

          Equilibrium stage, there will be no fluctuation , this need to be little adjustment with additional resistance.

  • DFarwell

    Frank, curious if you have had any communication with Steorn. They seem to have shockingly gone silent again after putting up the stream.

  • Webscience

    Why don’t they put all the stuff on a transparent (e.g. glass) table? Now a simple rotating magnet under the table can cause the spin. All this mystery and sloppiness…brrr

  • Webscience

    Why don’t they put all the stuff on a transparent (e.g. glass) table? Now a simple rotating magnet under the table can cause the spin. All this mystery and sloppiness…brrr

    • DFarwell

      Webscience, if you go to the bottom of this post, you can see where I posted a screenshot very politely asking if they could do this, and I was instantly permanently banned from the Orboteam channel. From what I can tell, no devices are being shipped and as usual no communication from Steorn. Non-business as usual from Shaun and pals….

    • OM

      It makes no sense to hide something under the table.
      Engine of this kind consumes very little power and can operate for years on a simple battery.

      • DFarwell

        Exactly OM, which is precisely why we suggested plexiglass stands (which ironically they have all over the Steorn laboratory seen in videos) in conjunction with an identifiable motor sized relative to what would discharge a battery or cell of that size in a reasonable window…rather than what you correctly pointed out they are using. The test being shown on the scope is just nonsense from a methodology stance. We are led to believe these are tests after they resolved the controller issues, yet they are unable to show even a layman’s test with a reasonable motor or even a panel of LEDs or incandescent bulbs….ANYTHING! lol Shaun has a knack to tie the carrot on the string just enough that it does not fall off….

  • Paul

    The battery is dead is dead.

  • Dave

    Time to recharge that battery. Can I borrow your Orbo?

    • Suresh

      Again Die at 28-May-2016 at 4:17

  • Dave

    Time to recharge that battery. Can I borrow your Orbo?

    • Bob Tavis

      Yeah, the little blue motor stopped. More testing is in order I suspect.

    • Suresh

      This run for 12 DAYS , hope new design will run for 12 Month! Orbo is improving 😉

    • Suresh

      Was dead at 25-may-2016 ,5:30 but again start !

    • Suresh

      Again Die at 28-May-2016 at 4:17

    • Suresh

      Was dead at 31-may-2016 7:35 , but suddenly start

  • So what does the fact it stopped working actually tell us? I feel like if this was a fraud they could have easily made it not break.

    • Phillip

      The entire feed is a gimmick, it doesn’t tell you anything whether the gizmo spins or not

  • Dave

    Twitch stream is down because “The community has closed this channel due to terms of service violations.”

    New stream is at https://gaming.youtube.com/channel/UCi2WPWqzmj6OOVctrGMk1RA/live

    • Matt

      Motor is again not running. What is this motor thing about at all? Hook it up on a 9V block and it will be running non stop for a year or so, so what’s the deal with this repeatedly stopping motor hanging on an Orbo cell?

  • Bob Tavis

    I doubt one has to launder cash in such a public manner. In fact I would think that is to be avoided. Whatever their game is it has been profitable and has sustained them for over ten years. They have gone through numerous iterations of free energy/overunity devices none of which really relate to each other. They seem to find FE everywhere, periodically. This latest foray is different in the sense they actually have something to sell. Or so it appeared yet nothing is being shipped that I am aware of. At least nothing that works as advertised. It will be fascinating to see how long this goes on and eventually plays out. For that alone has always been the fascination with things Steorn-ish. All will be revealed….SooN!

  • Bob Tavis

    Whatever it is, it is fascinating.

  • Dave

    May 30, 2:30pm PDT (Portland, OR), motor’s stopped again.

  • Dave

    I can only conclude that this Orbo effect/product was based on a few quick measurements which kind of supported someone’s intuition. Something like the self-driving water wheel, or motor-generator, or imbalanced wheel, which all *look* like they should work. Maybe someone did a couple of discharge/recharge tests on a battery and saw it apparently “recharge itself”…and then ordered the final product housing, commissioned the packaging artwork and hired models as spokespersons. They’ve been very busy: Great looking website. Utter confidence approach. I just can’t fathom that they wouldn’t get a EE or physicist to look at this before going to market. It just can’t be such brazen stupidity. Some say that they are just bilking investors, but I can’t believe those investors would tolerate the sheer incompetence of the approach we’ve seen unfolding. This is a huge mystery to me.

    • Bob Tavis

      Welcome to Steorn-world.

  • Bob Tavis
  • Bob Tavis
    • Matt

      This really looks like top notch R&D.

      • Bob Tavis

        You’re looking at $20+ millions worth.

      • enantiomer2000

        Lol

    • Suresh

      Good Improvement in Orbo Performance this week without any breakdown!

  • Some of the pseudoskeptics commenting are being, in my opinion, excessively obnoxious.

  • Suresh

    There was a News in 2013 “Teen’s invention could charge your phone in 20 seconds”
    http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/teens-invention-could-charge-your-phone-20-seconds-1C9977955
    – THREE LONG YEAR – nothing happen we still using same old method of mobile charging, what the reason for disappearing this innovative technology?

    • My guess would be that capitalism is the problem. Money, money, money. Look what has happened with Rossi. If all of it was just open-sourced, then progress could have been a lot faster. Also, look up the invention called: Starlite. Money and profit torpedoed that one.

      • Suresh

        They are hungry for Money without Patience , if they trust in their technology, can earn enough money and publicity even others manufacturing their device , That not a million dollar but trillion Dollar market. In this world the people who had their own real patented teachnology are not only rich , many others also rich without having patent on their name

  • Matt

    @Suresh
    Have you read the article?
    “To date, she has used the supercapacitor to power a light-emitting diode, or LED. The invention’s future is even brighter. She sees it fitting inside cellphones and the other portable electronic devices”
    Supercapacitors are not new, they are still too bulky and do not hold enough power compared to equally sized batteries. They are far more expensive too. The girl in the article made pretty minor improvements to a supercapacitor, furthermore it was not her work but kind of a knock off of a scientific paper from a guy called Yat Li from the University of California who published his paper a year before the girl won the prize. He “helped” her on her paper, maybe because his paper a year ago did not get any mayor response. Anyway, scientists are working worldwide on supercapacitors for electric appliances of all kind, it’s just not that easy…

  • Matt

    The OPhone seems to be on sale again.

    • Ciaranjay

      So McCarthy claimed he would develop and sell a mysterious, marvellous, free energy device.
      There were always three possible motives behind this.
      1. It is true. McCarthy has indeed stumbled onto a miracle that runs counter to scientific laws.
      2. It is false. McCarthy isdeluded or crazy.
      3. It is false. McCarthy knows exactly what he is doing and is a conman.
      Each had its camp of supporters depending on your interpretation of events.

      At the start, even though history tells us that many have previously claimed but then failed to produce such a device, I was open minded, heck why not!
      But after the fiasco in London in 2007 I became more sceptical.
      Then we had the independent scientific jury, which again was a bust.
      So now after more grand promises end in failure in 2016 surely we are at the end now.

      So what can we conclude based on the actions and results?
      McCarthy can tell a good story (what the Irish call blarney).
      As far as science is concerned, no genuine evidence has been demonstrated of a free energy process.
      As far as product is concerned. No working product has been produced.
      The only thing that has demonstrably happened is that a lot of money has been taken from investors with nothing given in return.

      So why are so many taking the view that Steorn was a failure?
      Sure if the motive was to sell a fee energy device then it was a failure.
      But if the motive was to fleece gullible investors then the whole venture has been a great success.

  • Matt

    The OPhone seems to be on sale again.

    • Bob Tavis

      Actually, it has been on sale for weeks.

      • Bob Tavis

        Oops. Already sold out!

  • Suresh

    I think his way of presentation for free energy is not correct otherwise this fund of $115b will be in his account.
    http://gulfnews.com/business/sectors/energy/kuwait-to-spend-115b-on-oil-projects-official-1.1837012

    • NelMac

      Lol, I think you might be right ! Tens of millions are loose change in comparison….Looks like Kuwait is not expecting any breakthrough in energy tech for a while either.

      They’d be better off sheeting their country with pv panels !!!

      Anyway, I’m still wondering just what can Steorn expect to achieve by this bizarre live stream stunt ! Have they totally lost their marbles ? A demonstration of their style can surely just make them more laughable ! They’ve gone very quiet……

  • Suresh

    Graphene looks fast developing as battery storage compare to ORBO never die battery!
    “Australian energy technology company LWP Technologies has bought a 50 per cent share in a new, graphene-based battery storage technology”
    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2016/australian-company-buys-50-stake-in-game-changing-graphene-battery-storage-technology-83796

  • NelMac

    Having a glance through the comments is frightening !

    In that, comments including stuff like….. ‘It’s a shame they could not find a practical use for the technology.’, means that, unfortunately, there are obviously mugs out there that believe IN their technology ! They have nothing ! Just like Mr Silicon-Graphite super-cell-charger… Moron.

    • Bob Tavis

      They have found a practical use: getting money from investors.

  • Bob Tavis

    They have found a practical use: getting money from investors.

  • enantiomer2000

    How is this Orbo thing going?

    • Matt

      They are testing. Nobody really knows exactly what, but they are testing. And the motor is spinning. Nobody really knows why, but it is spinning.

  • Phillip

    Interesting development, the Orbo turned the motor in to tape!

    • Dave

      Truly magical! After nearly 2 months, nothing but a spinning motor (now tape) and a slowly fluctuating square-wave. Must be a new direction in product promotion.

      • Bob Tavis

        It’s “never die” tape. You can use it forever and it never runs out.

  • NelMac

    That isn’t TAPE ! It’s a Mobius strip……

  • Dave

    Perpetuem Tapem

  • NelMac

    So the latest ‘replacement motor’ is gone and a cup of water is now in the picture…! What ARE we to gleen from this latest, (cough), technological marvel ? Is it to gauge time by evaporation rate ? Was it used to put out the fire from the directed microwave energy source ? Lol, that’s a bit of a long-shot as I reckon that might be a tad beyond Shaun & Co !

    • Matt

      Cup of water? TheCoffeeMachineMightBeDead.

    • Bob Tavis

      I have to hand it to Steorn for taking the truly bizarre to a whole new level of weirdness.

  • Bob Tavis
    • Matt

      Maybe the purchase of half a million Facebook Likes from Pakistan broke their neck.

    • enantiomer2000

      I think it is Steorn rather than the battery which is dead.

  • Bob Tavis
    • gdaigle

      An absolutely brutally honest article, yet at the end the writer surprisingly states, “At this point, I’m not closed to the possibility that they have something that works, or produces some unusual effect.” I, along with other former members of the SKDB, wonder where go from here? Despite Steorn spin-off HephaHeat apparently developing tech that not only works but is aligned with Sony (with celebrity endorsements!), the Steorn mothership is looking shaky. They need an infusion of third party validation, something that the SKDB could not give them due to Steorn holding back critical information. I say, give us kits, remove the black goop and let the members of ECW see what they can discover about the veracity of Steorn’s claims.

  • gdaigle

    An absolutely brutally honest article, yet at the end the writer surprisingly states, “At this point, I’m not closed to the possibility that they have something that works, or produces some unusual effect.” I, along with other former members of the SKDB, wonder where go from here? Despite Steorn spin-off HephaHeat apparently developing tech that not only works but is aligned with Sony (with celebrity endorsements!), the Steorn mothership is looking shaky. They need an infusion of third party validation, something that the SKDB could not give them due to Steorn holding back critical information. I say, give us kits, remove the black goop and let the members of ECW see what they can discover about the veracity of Steorn’s claims.

    • gdaigle

      As long as Frank isn’t violating any terms with Steorn, I would agree. Tear it down. I think that tests should begin by replicating what is currently shown on the Cell Test Stream site, and then performing tests that would give insight as to the nature of the effect. Is it acting more like a super capacitor or a battery? Is it acting like a topological insulator? Other suggestions?

      • gdaigle

        Finally, the stream is OFFLINE. That took a long time to die.

    • gdaigle
  • Matt

    Isn’t it about time now, that Frank cracks the unit open to see what’s inside? It looks like there will be no working device coming soon.

    • gdaigle

      As long as Frank isn’t violating any terms with Steorn, I would agree. Tear it down. I think that tests should begin by replicating what is currently shown on the Cell Test Stream site, and then performing tests that would give insight as to the nature of the effect. Is it acting more like a super capacitor or a battery? Is it acting like a topological insulator? Other suggestions?

  • Ciaranjay

    So McCarthy claimed he would develop and sell a mysterious, marvellous, free energy device.
    There were always three possible motives behind this.
    1. It is true. McCarthy has indeed stumbled onto a miracle that runs counter to known scientific laws.
    2. It is false. McCarthy is deluded or crazy.
    3. It is false. McCarthy knows exactly what he is doing and is a charlatan.
    Each had its camp of supporters depending on your interpretation of events.

    At the start, even though history tells us that many have previously claimed but then failed to produce such a device, I was open minded, heck why not!
    But after the fiasco in London in 2007 I became more sceptical.
    Then we had the independent scientific jury, which again was a bust.
    So now after more grand promises end in failure in 2016 surely we are at the end now.
    Some will continue to give McCarthy the benefit of the doubt, but for me the doubt is gone now that he is asking for more money.

    So what can we conclude based on the actions and results?
    McCarthy can tell a good story (what the Irish call blarney) and is big on promises .
    As far as science is concerned; no genuine evidence has been demonstrated of a free energy process.
    As far as product is concerned; no working product has been produced.
    The only thing that has demonstrably happened is that a lot of money has been taken from investors with nothing given in return.

    So then why are so many taking the view that Steorn was a failure?
    Sure if the motive was to sell a free energy device then it was a failure.
    But if the motive was to fleece gullible investors then the whole venture has been a great success.

  • Guy Mann

    That’s enough for me. I’m out!

  • gdaigle
    • Matt

      Test was successfull, now reliable free energy products will hit the market. Well, probably not.

  • Matt

    Again I would like to suggest to examine what’s inside Frank’s Orbo units.

  • Matt

    Can anybody tell them that the camera is still running? I wonder why nobody suddenly seems to have no further interest what’s inside Frank’s devices. Weeks of testing and speculations and now nothing?

    • Bob Tavis

      Scams don’t die, they just fade away.

  • gdaigle

    Finally, the stream is OFFLINE. That took a long time to die.

  • Okay, so, I don’t know if anyone is paying attention to this thread, any more, and it seems to be a safe bet that Frank probably isn’t interested in following the Steorn stuff, any more, either, but, just in case, I wanted to post a link to Shaun McCarthy’s new blog, just below:

    https://orboman.com/

  • Bob Tavis